the thread about the Rem 770 got me to thinking, what is the gun that you regretted buying the most.



For me it was a cold january day and i thought a yugo sks would be fun as a truck gun, so i dished out $59.00 and bought one. I didn't know how fun a gun that only fires in battery could be. This was after i cleaned every thing turned out the fireing pin was bent and held forward in the bolt. it was exciting.

Rossi 22/20 ga. single shot. The 20 ga. kicked so bad that nobody would shoot it twice and the 22 was very inaccurate. It was supposed to be a learning gun for my grandkids, and quickly went down the road.

A Puma lever action in 454 Casull....The edges of the lever were so sharp it was very painful to shoot...

A Marlin .44 mag Cowboy Action rifle with a 24 inch barrel. Never very accurate and it shot all the screws lose after a few rounds.

Now that Winchester Model 92's can be had with 24 inch barrels that's probably the better way to go.

I bought a new weatherby patrician, buddy bought a new weatherby centurion and we went hunting; first shot his hammer broke, after my first shot, the patrician ejected all three on one pump.

A Winchester M1200 12ga was the worst-est I can recall. Was buying it was a replacement shotgun for the family arsenal, but it was soooo bad, I was shocked! The two bars that connect the (pump) forearm were NOT stiff in how they connected to and worked the bolt (never seen that design on a Winchester shottie before), plus is was terribly dirty disassembling that piece.

Sold it at the next gun show with only a $10 loss.

I don't know that I have ever owned a "bad" gun, but several have dissappointed me. A couple of Sako's and Model Sevens that wouldn't shoot and a Marlin 45-70 with the barrel screwed into the receiver crooked come to mind.

Bought a cheap Rough Rider 22 single action
Bought it used no gun smiths would touch it
I called the factory the only service them I think it was 3 years old or less

That was enought I advertised it as a wanna be gun smith project for 50.00 bucks
I no longer complain about the price of a single six
Hank

NEF turkey deer combo 10 gauge. Back when we first started hunting shotgun zone in Michigan sabots slugs either didnt exist or were not readily available. Anyway, we went with the bigger hole theory and bought these single shot 10 ga slug guns. Holy balls those killed on the shoulder. They had the narrowest stock I think I have ever shot. All that aside, it would have been tolerable if there was any accuracy, but after having a canteiver installed and mounting a scope, 60 yard groups were 2' at best!Effective kill range was literally about 20 yards. I would rather use a bow.

Marlin .22 bold action. It was the type that loads the bullets in a tube and that sucker jammed all the time. Missed many a rabbit due to a jam.

Browning A-bolt 25WSSM.

Winchester 1400.

A M94 Winchester 30-30 in either 65 or 66 after they stopped making the good ones in 64 like Winchester did with the M70.

The quality control guy must have been either absent or drunk.

Could not get the iron sights on target. The rear sight driven all the way to the left and front sight all the way to the right still left the group @ four inches high right. Couldn't hit a sheat of newspaper at 100 when I started to patern it.

After a magazine's worth of cartridges run through it something slipped or broke or something. Would not drop the cartridge lifter low enough to accept a cartridge from the magazine. Became a single shot and had hells own trouble getting the mag emptined.

The hood on the front sight was also a little squished.

This was a rifle bought new through a dealer.

Sent it back to Winchester. They sent a replacment. It was some better. At least it worked.

Rossi single shot!......pure CRAP!

S&W modle 916 pump shotgun

Not a quality thing, but my worst gun was a Remington Nylon 66. I shoot left handed and that sucker would spray hot powder residue on my face with every shot. Within a half box of shells I had a wicked flinch.

Sold it fast as I could and bought a Ruger 10/22 that had a heavy enough bolt that the powder burn was over before the empty cycled out.

Me too! Total POS. Mine had a habit of letting a shell slip out of the magazine tube because of the stupid little �dimple� shell stop. When this happened with chambered round it really locked up the works.

At least I learned a lesson and prefer the Mossberg/Ithaca 37 design lacking the �flipper� on the bottom.

+1

Never owned one, but helped a couple of guys who had them. Junk.

For me would have to be a Charter Arms Bulldog 44 Spl..Don't know if any of you guys have owned one but holy schit it was very inaccurate right out of the box and shaved lead!! Had it only a couple months back in '75 and hope it's residing in a landfill somewhere!

Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow in 223 WSSM. Pure junk.

Remington Model 700 Classic in 35 Wheelen. Waited for it a long time and when I got it, the receiver was "overcut" and the bolt would over-rotate and stick. Returned it and years later found a much better M77 MKII and bought it.

Mossberg Ulit-mag 12ga. Biggest POS I've ever shot, held, owned.

Win. 1400 that shot 4' high at 40 yards, check.
Mini-14s, they worked, but shot like Obama. Check.
S&W M24-3, shaved, wouldn't shoot for chit. Check.

Those are the ones that stick in my head, anyway. Probably because I laid out good coin on "good" guns with decent reputations, and got shafted.

Years ago I was working with a few outdoor shows doing some marketing and sponsor work... On two different occassions I was offered T/C Encores at a very, very, very cut rate price. With my liking of the T/C Contender I thought I'd fall right in love with the Encore.

BOY, was I ever "WRONG!"

I've owned two frames and three barrels (25-06, 7mm-08 and 300 Win Mag). None, I repeat none would shoot to minute of battleship!

I sent the 7mm-08 (entire gun) back to the factory 3 or 4 times and each time they claimed it was something different and that they had it fixed. Not so... I finally gave up on them. Sold one frame and all my barrels. Kept the stainless frame and found a 20 gauge shotgun barrel and was going to make it into a light weight turkey gun. Well, low and behold the shotgun barrel shot so low that at 30 yards it would hit the ground out about 20 yards. This was from me sitting and shooting off my knees. I got a local gun smith to mill the rib down and correct my POI. Now, after all that work and time, I have a really slick 20 gauge turkey killer from a POS Encore.

I will NEVER recommend a T/C Encore to anyone and I know there are fans of them out there but I'm "NOT" one of them.

Weatherby Vanguard ,270 Kicked like a mule. Have bigger guns that didn't kick as much. Didn't shoot real good either.

The only "bad" gun I ever owned wasn't really bad it just needed to be fixed. Bought a Remington 700 used that would hang fire really bad. I traded it to a guy who knew it needed fixing. I came out about even on it.

I think that may have been only 1 of 2 guns I have ever sold. I sold a Benelli shotgun to a friend for a good deal. I should have kept the shotgun.

Echols Legend, uh, oh never mind, wrong thread. Sorry.....

Remington 700 ADL in 30-06. Wouldn't group worth beans, zero changed constantly. Swapped stocks, tinkered with the bedding, etc. Finally swapped it to a buddy who was sure he could fix it. He couldn't.

1st gen Walther P-22, would set the safety as you fired it and the barrel nut kept backing off. I have a later production one now and love it, never buy any gun on it's first production run!

Friend bought a Charter Arms "Patriot" .327 Federal, after 3 trips back for a multitude of problems dumped it for a Ruger GP 100.

Was offered a "good deal" on what was supposed to be a very high quality and slick looking new Franchi 12 gauge O/U back when I lived in excellent quail country. Sounded perfect.

It was in most respects, except that the inertial re-cocker for the second barrel failed to work almost every time. It's bad enough to miss a quail on the first shot, but to squeeze the second and get no action is maddening.

Had some supposed O/U "experts" work on it - never got it right. Finally assumed I had made a bad mistake and took it to a gun shop to sell - some fellow got all hot to trade for it and I told him EXACTLY about the re-cocker and he said, "no problem - I can fix that". I hope he could.

It was a good trade for me.

Marlin 1894S in .41 Mag. Bought it new (old stock) and while it would chamber factory ammo, it would not extract or eject. It would split cases, lock up the gun, or my favorite trick was leaving half the case in the chamber. Marlin would not do anything about it as it was more than 5 years old when I bought it. Also couldn't hit the ground with it at 25 yards. Shot about a 18" group at that range.

70's vintage Ithaca/SKB model 300 12ga semi, feather weight.
This oddball was a jam-o-matic,couldn't get parts, and when it did work, the recoil would ruin you.

(New Haven) Winchester Mod 70 Featherweight .243 WSSM. Absolutely positively would NOT feed out of the magazine under any and all circumstances. Also shot literally 8-10 inch groups at 100!

Remington 700 5R Model. Everybody raved about the out of the box accuracy of these. The one I purchased shot 4-5" groups with 5 different people shooting it with FGMM and every handload known to man I think. Then one day I flipped the safety off at my Uncles house and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Luckinly I bought it from a dealer that was a friend and he refunded my money. He got it to drop fire 2 more times and then returned it to Remington.

A customer built Harris Gunworks rifle. What a disaster - please don't get me started.

Sig P238.

Worst i ever had was a raptor arms stainless 270.this is the gun the mossberg 4x4 is now.mossberg bought the tooling and started building them.biggest single problem was the scope rings were out of alignment by. 050! Ruined more than one scope before i found that one. Also would shot pretty good most of the time,then suddenly would throw shots a foot high or right or left,then go back to good groups.sold it at a huge loss.when asked why i told him it was a pos.

Early Mossberg 500 muzzleloading conversion barrel, I had a really hard time finding a load that wouldn't shoot high and all over the place. I finally settled on a Hornady 425 grain Great Plains conical as something I could hunt with but still had to aim low.

mossberg 3 1/2 in mag. broke my cheek bone everytine i Shot it.

Remington 799 Mini-Mouser 22-250. Would not feed worth -- well you know!

AMT Automag II...


You want MORE recoil? Try the Baikal single-shot B/O shotgun in 3.5" 12 ga...

Oh, and be sure to close your eyes so your retinas won't fall out.. And have a couple compresses handy for the bloody cheekbones..

S&W Sigma, first gen.

No joy at all pulling that trigger...but can't really complain, as it was given to me.

Its still in the safe somewhere.

Browing A-bolt 338 win mag

Rem Viper 22RF

What a piece of Cr@p

Remington 700 .243 It was coffee-cup accurate at best, despite re-crowning and pillar bedding.

Browning Model 12 20ga.(Japan).Bought new in the late 80's.Replaced every part you could think of,including the recoil spring under the forarm and would forever jam!! I'll stick to my pre-64 Winchester 12's.

Ruger #1a, in 243. You would be lucky to get 5" groups at 100, and it kicked hard for a 243.

I was never a fan because I thought they were overpriced, inaccurate by design, and impractical, but I got it as a gift.

Wby Vanguard 7 mag syn stnlss...topped with a good burris sig select...just could not get that sprayer to stay zeroed.

My worst gun was an SKS. I paid about $100 in 1990 and it was way overpriced for what I got. 100 yard groups were about 10-15" off a bench rest.

Yep, the Remington 522 Viper deserves an honorable mention.

Mine shoots well, it just jams more than it should and is not exactly easy to put back together after it's been torn down for a good cleaning.

Forgot about my Mossberg model 500 in 20 gauge. Piece of schit jams everytime you try and jack in a round, and I could never hit dick with it.

Colt's 3rd Generation SAA. Hammer broke before I ever fired it (on 3rd dry fire - LAME). Chambers were out of spec, wouldn't chamber most factory ammunition (only Winchester would fit). Then shot horribly to the left. That was the final straw, I sold it to a Peacemaker specialist gunsmith who was happy to deal with the issues. And back in the days I just didn't have the patience to deal with it.

My twp worst were both Rugers. I traded a wonderful Marlin 45-70. Cannot remember the model number but it was the one without the pistol grip stock. It shot where you aimed it. Anyway I traded it for a brand new Mini-14. I had a brand new single shot 12 gauge with an improved cylinder choke the patterned better than the Mini-14.

I got a big bonus at work one time and stopped by the old Larry's Sporting Goods in Oregon City on the way home and brought home a Ruger 77 SS with the boat paddle stock in 223. Out of the box you could bounce it up and down by it's trigger without firing it. It literally was at least a twenty pound trigger pull. after a lot of work and trying a bunch of different loads I got it to where I could get five rounds on a piece of notebook paper off the bench... most of the time.

If I ever buy another Ruger rifle it will be a #1V.

H&R .22 magnum autoloader rifle. Wouldn't feed three in a row, and couldn't shoot into less than 2" at 50 yards. I did win a bet with it... rather, my buddy lost a bet with it, claiming he could shoot 1" groups at 50. Bwaaahaaahaaa!!!!!

That has also been my experience with them.

Browning A-bolt Medalion in .270, couldn't get a group on a 10x10 paper at 100 yards, and kicked like a Mule. Sure did look nice though. It wen't down the road for a great trade deal for a .223 CZ 527 Varmint Kevlar, probably the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. Not upset about that trade off at all.

BTT

Is this the worst designed firearm or the worst individual firearm owned?

For the worst design I'd nominated the French Chauchaut Machine Gun of WW1. Ordered by the US Army over the Lewis Gun because of the Army Chief of Ordinance Gen Crozier.

Read up on that debacle and you'd hug Eugene Stoner. Designer of the M-16 series

Wincheter mdl 70 fwt .243 10 inch groups at 100yds it went down the road. Mossberg chuckster 22 mag with 40lb trigger.

Winchester 1200, 12 gauge pump. This gun was total junk!

I did not have the heart to sell it or even give it away.

I tore it down jacked it up real bad, which was fun and put it in the trash..

I have owned rtree 223s in my life, the Mini-14, the Model 77 and a 14" TC Contender barrel. Not a one of then was as accurate and a blind an throwing rocks.

Worst single firearm I have owned was an early 1990's Browning BDM, a duel action 9mm pistol.

Piece of junk from the get-go. I traded it for a Glock 19 and have never regretted it.

And everyone wonders why nobody actually got shot on the A-Team show.

that would be a tie between the very early Vaquero with chamber throats varying but mostly about .007 bigger than the bore, which would not shoot better than about a foot at 25 yards, and that "group" was a foot and a half high and left. I warned the cowboy shooter who bought it but he didn't care....Vaqueros were apparently tight right then.

the other was a Colt 1911, nickeled up with some downmarket engraving and faux ivory grips with a Mexican eagle on them. bought if off a hippie biker hardass I worked with in Houston in 1973....who probably took it off a dead federale down in Mexico.

first magazine out at Carter's range, she went full auto on me. obviously some south of the border tuning had taken place. I was too snake bit to keep it after that.

Boito shotgun, biggest POS I ever saw!

Winchester 1400. It never malfunctioned with a variety of factory and handloads, and I could hit with it, but it just looked so darn cheap inside and out! I was working with a serious skeet shooter back then (70s) who inspired me to trade it for a new 1100; he had an 1100 with which he had shot about 15,000 registered targets with no breakdowns. Best gun trade I ever made.

the 1400 and 1200 were really cheesy....and such a come down from the model 12. they both just reeked of cheap.

Scheels had an ad for single shot ten gauge shotguns. $79. Friend and I couldn't wait to get them. Those damn things would sure kill geese but I had a headache by the 3rd shot and the thing would open the breach by itself after every round. I found another goose hunter who had to have it...that was a happy day for both of us. Friend traded his in for a ten gauge double. The extra weight tamed the recoil but the triggers verily smashed his fingers. I don't miss the old "gas pipe" a bit.

Savage Model 110 blued/synthetic 300 Win. Mag. Blind mag. Biggest POS that I have ever bought/owned.

A Rossi clone of a model 62 Winchester .22.
The magazine tube was mounted so crooked that you could see it sticking out from under the barrel on one side, and any shotgun would shoot better groups.

Second would be an older Mini 14 - shotgun shoots tighter groups.

Third was a Sears branded Winchester 1200 - chambered for 3" shells but never would feed one without jamming.

Myron

I have literally owned hundreds of firearms in my life, and the one that stands out as the all time most frustrating gun was a Savage Model 170 pump in 30-30. One shot if lucky, seldom could you get a second one off without something going haywire. That is one I truly did not miss. Russ

Winchester SS 338 WM, laminate stock, a thing of beauty, shot like crap and bolt froze after every shot. Polished and cleaned up the chamber - - bolt would open, but shot like crap, every shot was a flier.

One more, Winchester Trapper 357. Every other bullet would fall down below the chamber and rattle around in the bottom of the mag.....drove me nuts.

browning BLR, junk.

seriously??

Taurus PT 45, wouldnt fire to save its own ass, back to importer twice, still wouldnt fire reliably. Finally fed it to the milling machine and welded up the locking lug so the firing pin would actually hit the primer. Now it only sets off soft Federal primers, about half the time. The finest example of a real POS... I could go on for pages about this terd. Russian Roulette with this one would keep the game fair.

Worst disappointment was a Ruger #1 in 22-250 because it looks so nice, and shoots so sorrowfully. Worst gun that was still fun would be an AMT Stainless Hunter auto in 22 mag; Tupperware stock, trigger that feels like pulling a bent nail out of a 2x4, but it has a habit of doubling or tripling when you're shooting. Makes for easy 3 shot groups, and it's essentially a machine-gun for jack rabbits.

Forgot about my brief experience with a Kel-Tec P3AT. Jamming little bastard. You'd be better off with a squirt-gun if you were getting mugged. At least you might make the mugger blink for a second so you could run away screaming.

Ruger M77 Tang safety .270 bought new in the mid eighties. It was accurate, but would sometimes misfire on the first cold shot (Especialy when the weather was colder) & then fire fine until the next outing. Missed two bucks in the cold due to this POS. First one I just assumed I didn't chamber a round & just jacked another one in. Second time got me to looking at WTF, another CLICK, cousin shot that nice ten pointer after I skeered it to him.

Had a couple of gunsmiths look at it after I cleaned the hell out of the bolt & both said the bolt needed cleaning. One was just after the other gunsmith had cleaned it & it still would misfire. Tried multiple brands of ammo. Ruger sent me a new heavier firing pin spring, changed out the trigger to a Timney, still no joy.

Finally sold it to a guy who wouldn't believe the problem when I told him all about it. Wish I had it back, as it would be a good project to fight with having a little more seat time with various rifles.

I still think it had to be excessive headspace, but one of the smiths said it checked out, as did the firing pin protrusion. Wish I had it back as I hate that it beat me down, back then!!

Just a long, boring, sad story about one that got away!

Win 70 FWT 300 WSM. Thing would not chamber a round the last 1/8" without a ton of force. Went back to the factory 3 times, they never did get it right. Last time all they did was take a dremel tool to the feed ramp. Called when I saw it, they said it was fixed and they would not accept it anymore. It went down the road, fast. I havent considered a M-70 since.

Llama .380 micromax. Looked great. Jammed all the time, slide cracked. Junk.

Yep, mine is somewhere close to Rockport TX in the bottom of a salt water marsh which is just as far as it could be thrown.

Bad news is the next DU banquet I attended, I won another one. It's still in the box 14 years latter, and I haven't found anyone I dislike enough to sell it too.

I was going to ask the same question as okok. I have one and am very pleased with it. What's the problem?

Really want to know why on this one as well, I'm happy with mine but would like hearing if there is something I need to watch for.

Mine is not particularly good, though I would not yet call it the worst...

edit to add - since a couple of others have asked - mine was having trouble hanging up and not going fully into battery, especially after it got slightly dirty. The recoil spring does not seem to be strong enough. I just did some measurements & calculations today, and I'm not sure it's a fixable problem - i.e. enough room to get a stronger spring installed.

Yesterday I shot it and it was misfiring on the first round of the mag, but in fairness I was using cheap white box ammo, too.

Someone mentioned the Mossberg bolt 22 mag chuckster. I had one of those too, really heavy trigger pull!!! Seems to be a consensus here that Mossbergs, in general, are junk.

The one I would defnitely call the worst would be an AMT Hardballer, in the mid '80's. It once jammed so badly I had to beat it apart with a soft hammer

The absolute worst was a little Taurus 94. After either 4 or 5 trips back to FL (IIRC), it was suggested (gently) that the accuracy issues might be "Operator Malfunction". The next return contained 2 targets - one from the little 22 with about a 6" group, witnessed, at 25 yards - and one with 6 .44 diameter holes from my Anaconda (full house loads), witnessed, same day, same range, 1 3/4" group. When returned, I could coax 4" groups from the Taurus, so it went to a gentleman who wanted it worse than I did - even with info!
Mark

Jennings J-22

Piece if crap would jam practically all the time and was very innaccurate and to top it off....it blew up in my hand.

It stung my hand a bit as it split the grip area, the barrel flew behind me about 15' away and various pieces landed around my feet.

It now resides in the bottom of the Ohio river where it got thrown over off of I-65.

How much ya want for it?

Interesting, I have one for years now, its accurate enough, around 3 inches at 25 yards and with silvertips have shot a few deer and a handful of pigs.

Never had any problem with my little 238. Hundreds of rounds, just keeps on shooting.

I never had one that really made me cuss. My brother had a Rem 11-87 Sporting Clays. That was a POS from the get go. Would not run for 100 rounds straight - just always failed in some manner. He took to cleaning it at the 1/2 way point.

Put 4000 rounds thru it in 6 weeks and traded it in in a new 425.

Worst 4000 rounds and biggest PITA to get to 4k ever.

Interesting I went to where he traded it in, gun counter guy says "thing's brand new, guy had it 6 weeks and decided he had to have an o/u - that's why it's only about 150 off new"

He was VERY shocked to hear that I knew exactly who owned it and that the round count was more than he's likely to shoot his whole life. Not too happy on what they gave him in trade either.....

Browning BAR in a 338 win mag. Never could find a load that it would shoot inside of 4 inches. Sent it back twice, after the last time the joints were actually loosening up as I shot it. Got rid of it and never looked back.

Boito side-by-side sold by K mart.
My 17th birthday, dad was hooking me up with my first shotgun.

I was squirrel hunting and shot the squirrel and the stock ended in two pieces in my hands...
Dad returned that broken gun and got me a great 'lil Mossberg 600 pump. Still have it 30 years later.

I could add one to my list. I have a Savage 210 slug gun that misfeeds frequently and has now cost me the biggest buck I ever saw in the woods. Would not shoot. Racked out the shell, which scared the deer away, and it did fire on the next deer. Haven't figured it out yet. I paid over $100 to a gunsmith to work on the feeding issue and it didnt do anything for that.

I have had the displeasure of owning 4 Taurus revolvers. Only one worked worth a hoot. The other 3 literally fell apart after a few rounds.
Now i know why the company uses a bull as it's trademark. Because their products are really piles of bullshit in disguise.

Mine would be a Sears and Roebuck 12 gauge single shot. At one point I shot at a squirrel and I was left holding the fore stock in one hand, butt stock in the other and the barrel laying behind me. One time I killed 3 turkeys with one shot with a polish shotgun shell (concord) that had to be pried out after every shot.

A .243 Winchester Model 88. For some strange reason, I got a bug up my arse to own one of these. You could jump up and down on the trigger with a jackhammer and possibly get it to fire once in while. It must have had at least a 15 lb. trigger pull. Accuracy was minute of side-of-the garage if you were lucky. When you've owned a few Savage 99's there really is no other lever gun worth shooting.

Weatherby vanguard. Had extraction problems.... Sent it back 2 times before they corrected it. It was a new rifle too....

My list of junk and lessons learned is longer than I would like to admit.To start off with not one but three Ruger Mini 14's. 2 Raunch rifles and a standard. They all functioned fine but would not shoot for sour sh%t. Ruger said they all met factory specs. Next was a Blackhawk 357, same story. A Colt Gold Cup series 70 was the next pos. Followed by an Iver Johnson TP22. And the story goes on and. Maybe my benchmark was too high. So it has been AR 15's, S&W revolvers, Home built bullseye, IPSC. and PPC and carry 45's, and no pocket 22 handguns. Won't even go there about a pre 64 Winchester 70 in 243 that sucked. And these were all new guns....Russ

Remington 770 in .270...it was a gift.

Mine was full auto, without mods. I did kill a Possum with it, 5 rounds at 10ft. with one pull of the trigger. ADam

I would agree. I had a 835 Ulti-mag and it would stick the 3.5" shells. I couldnt get rid of it either. Paid only $175 for it and tried to take a loss. It was as hard to get rid of as Herpes.

A friend of mine had an 835 he bought as his first duck gun and used it for turkey hunting as well. He had issues with it as well but I chalked it up to the fact he was very hard on stuff and the thought of cleaning a gun was a foreign concept. I wound up selling him my benelli at a good price I mentioned earlier in the thread.

The 500 mossberg has a reputation as a dependable gun it's hard to imagine they dropped the ball that bad going up in size but I guess they did.

A Clerke .22 revolver, back in the 60s. Front sight fell off during the first cylinder full. At 10 feet, measured, it wouldn't hit a 4' x 4' piece of cardboard. Shaved so bad my finger would bleed. $15 was a whole lot of money back then and mine was wasted.

i've got a S&W .22 that might as well be a fishing sinker the sights are so out of alignment, CT grips are it's only salvation, had some charter arms .38's back in the day, they were kinda junky


but the worst gun I've ever owned....a Colt gov't .38 super that shot very well


I sold it like a big dummy and everytime one of you jabronis mention .38 Super I get heartache all over again. so that'd make it the worst I ever owned, cause I wish I still owned it.

Handgun: Llama 1911 45acp. Better patterns than the next item. I was quite young and learning the hard way.

Shotgun: CZ Ringneck 20ga SxS. Horrible trigger, barrel selector worked only occassionaly & sometimes fired on closing. CZ fixed in "only" 4 months time, but trigger was still very heavy.

Rifle: Remington Model Seven CDL in 7-08. Extremely rough barrel would copper foul so bad after 2 or 3 rounds that rounds 4, 5 and 6 would produce a 4" group. Worst part was Remington said it "meets there standards" and would do nothing.

win model 70 classic stainless in 30-06. the gun looked good, but the barrel was screwed into the receiver at an angle. didn't shoot worth crap. oddly enough, i had the same rifle in 300 wsm, and it was great in every way.

Colt Anaconda. First time shooting it....timing must have been off on the cylinder as it sheared a piece of copper jacketing off and planted it in my forearm. Nothing like bleeding all over a range lane. Had to have out-patient surgery to remove it.

I had the same experience when my son was a teenager. I should have known better.

K-Mart took it back after I told them it was unsafe.

I can't say I ever had any other really bad guns. My son did get a Remington 700 classic made around 1980 that was rough as a cob. When I pulled the firing pin I found it was bent, and there were steel chips in the bolt body. The action cleaned up, and eventually became a donor. Speaking of steel chips, I had a Miroku-built .22 that leaded badly, and the gunsmith's borecope showed steel chips ironed into the rifling. Speculated that the bore hadn't been cleaned before the rifling button was put through. I had him reline it.

Paul

I took one on a trade, figured it was a POS and it didn't fail me. Most consistent gun I've ever owned. 1 shot, 1 jam, repeat.

I've been waiting to find time to get on with a dremel and see if I can solve the problem. I suspect I won't solve bad design and cheap metal however.

Ruger Hawkeye wouldn't make a good tomato stake

Worst experience with a rifle was based on a custom Springfield .270 that I bought at an estate sale from a gunsmith in Grosses Pointe MI many moons ago. (There has not been a smith in that upscale community since the Deluge so we are talking many, many, moons.)

It was very purty but the first round through it nearly set the action back through my head. All the recoil blocks in it were destroeywed and were probably weakened by a previous owner who was one of those old guard reloaders who filled a case to capacity, then crammed all the traffic would bear in on top of that.

Still get the jim jams thinking of how close I was to checking out at 18 yoa.

1B

easy. a Remington 7400 30'06.
It was horrible.
I kept it meticulously clean, but would jam like crazy.
Had the bore polished. Still happened.
the brass would not come out after the shot and the extractor would pull off part of the lip. Basically, become a muzzledeloader, as I would have to ram a cleaing rod down the barrel to get the brass out.

Ended up having it polished again and sold it at a gun trade show.
I bought a BAR 270 and enjoyed that rifle for a good while. My son uses the BAR now, I don't like the weight of it. It feels like 20 pounds. Now, though, I only buy or use bolts for big game. I love my present rifle, a Savage 7'08 and will likely never use anything else for Mississippi deer.

The only Remington I've ever bought since, is a 22 rifle, the 552 Speedmaster. I grew up using one and inherited it from my Dad and wanted one just like it for my 2 kids to use. Great shooting 22s, but the only Remingtons I'll ever buy/use again.

Ruger #1 in 7x57. It would never group ANYTHING under 4". Sought help from Ruger and spoke to an engineer, who told me that anything under 4" was in their QC range for that rifle and that they would not replace it. He informed me that I could pay to send the rifle to them to look at, but there was probably nothing wrong with it, and I would just be adding shipping charges to and back from them. Moral of the story: I will never buy from Ruger again.

Same experience I had with Ruger and my number 1. Love their bolt guns though...

Guess I'm going to be the first to say Kimber. POJ became my first fence post. Stupid me another Kimber became my second fence post.

Browning BLR in 308. Horrible trigger, equally horrible accuracy, faulty firing pin spring that would occasionally cause a hangfire. Got the spring replaced but the other issues were as is, and I gave up on the POS. Life's too short to try to mess around with something like that.

The BLR is pretty typical of what I see coming from Browning. All dressed up and pretty, but beneath the surface ...

I haven't had the numbers of firearms that many have owned, but I can say that I have never had one that was bad.

Had a Montana Rifle Company rifle that deserves to be on the Dishonorable list.

Owned some shotguns that had a tighter pattern.

Steve

RG 31 in 38 special...

i literally blew the barrel off of it with some mild loads. by mild, i mean less than half a grain over book minimum with Unique...

Just curious... was this gun post '81? Because mine made in the 70's works fine.

Pretty much sums it all up, everyone can sell a lemon now and then....

But some have worse overall track records than others.

lorcin 380 auto ,69.00 new and that was 68.00 to much. for a dollar it woulda made a good door stop.

Remington Titanium - 1st generation.

Total POS. It wouldn't shoot better than 2 1/2 inch groups. It had an internal barrel swell right in front of the chamber. Awful fouler. It also wouldn't feed the last round without jamming.

Any company with a lack of quality control as extreme as this rifle demonstrated - deserves as bad a rep as it has.

Remington wouldn't do anything about it - when they found I lived in Canada.

After about 8 full hours of gunsmithing, it still fouls barrels, but it now groups inside an inch, and in steep mountains - it's now my favourite all-round rifle to pack.

It's now each of my three daughter's favourite rifle too.

They like it because it's about as light to pack as a rifle can be.

needs a pink stock now.

Never owned a Number 1, but my two Ruger Magnums, a 375 H&H and a 416 Rigby both had big problems right out of the box-the 375 had a scope ring base misaligned with the action, enough that when you went to mount a scope, the rear rings would not tighten correctly, I mean you could see how out of plumb the ringset was with the naked eye! The Rigby had the magazine box installed incorrectly and would not chamber a round, period.
Ruger made right on both mistakes, but to purchase two of their most expensive production rifles with those sort of problems was pretty crazy.
OTOH, I have owned probably a dozen of the less expensive M77s and Hawkeyes and never had anything go wrong.

Certainly a "WTF?!?" sort of deal.

A post 64 model 94 Winchester (about 1970) in .30-30. It had stamped metal pieces in the inside and was a total waste of the $94 I paid for it. Sold it to a guy that absolutely had to have it in the late 70's even after I told him about the problems with it. The shell lifter would very often lift up before the new round left the magazine, and then the cartridge would come out under the lift plate and above the lever == NON GUN! Junk! I was glad to get rid of it. Only gun I ever sold I was happy about selling.

What? I suppose you think it needs some cute little skulls and crossbones painted on it too? Perhaps I need to "name" it also?

Yep my duck huntin buddy went thru the same thing with his 835.
He finally traded it in for a pump.

I had 3 rifles that were disappointments.
One was a Husqvarna target in 243 win.
To reload for it I had to grind a considerable amount off the top of the shell holder.That would just size it enuf that I could just get them to chamber.
After 3 or 4 firings the brass was junk.
It was accurate tho.
I bought a Voere mauser bolt action in 300 win mag. It had a brass mag follower. I could get three in the mag but then it would not feed.
Even with 2 down it still was not a sure bet.
It had a lousy Monte Carlo cheek piece design on it that would kick you in the cheek pretty good.
Traded it to a fella that new it had issues.
A Parker Hale custom 303 Brit. It worked fine but would barely stay on the paper at 100yds.
Owned an early model 1200 win 12 ga and it was perfect for me. Traded it for something else and regretted that one.
Worst pistol was a Dan Wesson just before they went under in the 80's? Its a pistol pack. I was shooting Ihmsa at the time.
Two of the bbls were nickle plated and just a quick glance down the bore on one you can see that it has plating but only bout 50%!
Right out of the box the cylinder would not index most of the time. Total piece of crap.

6" 629 that was way out of time from the factory.

My 81 BLR was a 243.

You had to be very gentle cycling the action or the bolt carrier would over travel, skip a tooth on the gears, go out of time and lock open.

God I hated that thing.

Took it to a gunshow once as trade material for any damn thing but another BLR.

A "Gun dealer" reached for it from the dealer side of a table and as the exchange was made from me to him i heard him say "what is this? a thurdy thurdy??"

I knew I was [bleep], bubba cycled the action like an angry retard and stuck it wide open bigger'n chit.

I looked at him and said "no, sadly it is not your grampa's ole 30-30, It's a browning and you just threw it out of time, thanks."

No trade was made that day.

Wish i would have known ya! Would have been willing to buy said 'lemon' just for the donor-action.

ADDED: I like the 2 Winchester M1200's from 1968 my daddy brought back from Hong Kong (Navy WesPac cruise that year)! Grew up with those pieces, even though I definitely prefer an all-steel Remington 870 instead, for a pumpgun. But nothing wrong with the earlier M1200's; just that a gun looney can trace Tinnchester's long decline into the bankruptcy ditch by viewing/handling the M1200s' (and other models) poorer and poorer manufacturing quality over the years!

ALSO ADDED: Forgot to mention the Phoenix Arms HP-22 pocket-piece I once tried, for a really light-weight hiker special when a trail-walk might require dispatching a grouse or rattler. Said gun was literally made of pop-metal! (junk with a steel barrel liner). Had a 3" bbl that was extremely accurate at 12-15 yards, but it started coming apart on the second magazine-full of CCI Stingers!! Firing pin popped out on about the 7th shot and hit me in the chest! Sold it as fast as I could at the next gun show! Didn't loose a cent on the whole experience.

I forgot to mention my Remington 597. It was a ,17HMR and of course it was recalled because it was a semi-auto and couldnt safely run the ammo being produced. Remington offered me $200 for a $400 rifle) or have it rebarreled to a .22mag. I went the .22 mag route because I didnt have one of them. Since its return, it wont cycle any rounds. I guess I need to take it apart and clean it. The internet is full of pages of disrespect for this rifle model. Just a pain in the butt to own.

133 replies and only one M770 listed.

Maybe they're even beneath ownership.

It said owned - I'd not admit to owning one either.....

I've only known one idjit (a beginner-greenhorn of a "gun owner") who ever bought a M710! M770's weren't out yet.

My point is most 'loonies' are too smart not to recognize the P.O.S. a M710 or M770 is!!

Ruger P-89 when the first hit the market

Had that same problem with my first Vanguard. Had a burr and after it was cleaned up it worked fine.

Yours work ok now?

We had Winchester 1200s as riot guns in our arms room, when I was a young paratrooper. They were a riot, in many ways. If you cycled them too hard, the magazine tube would slide out of the action and the things would quit working altogether. The mag tubes were held in place with plastic bushings, and they'd get worn, and there you go. Later commercial guns had the tubes welded or soldered into place, but nevermind, the damage (in my mind, anyway) was done already. Never had that issue with Remington 870s or Ithaca 37s, for danged sure, though Ithacas could get out of time easily enough, if someone messed with the screws on the receivers.

Really a cool thread
Some I said HuH? Sig Kimber 629

Some well of course 597 770

I guess even the good stuff has a blip
Hank

Rexio Pucara, Argentine made cast potmetal K-22 wannabe. I think it was about $70 out the door a dozen years back. Thought it might make a good kit gun, but after 200 rounds it was loose, at 400 it was done. Misfired reliably. Consigned to the dumpster after a visit to the chopsaw.

S&W 629 purchased brand new in 1982...it could not shoot a cylinder full of Remington 240 grain ammo without the side plates loosening. Sent it back to S&W and they applied loctite to the screws which started loosening up again in short order. They made a change a bit later to correct this. Biggest Piece of [bleep] I have ever owned and will never own a S&W because of that.

Funny, I have been able to get every #1 I have ever held shoot but never had a Ruger bolt gun shoot worth a darn.

I wouldn't admit to it

Yep. I have shot 7-8 #1B's, and have never seen one I'd call inaccurate. The .375 H&H #1H was the worst, mainly because of the stiff recoil. Rumor has it the ones with bands on the barrels are the most tempramental. Black pad models with ruger-made barrels, though, are usually very good.

????????? a 835 is a pump

Stevens crackshot, piece of crap.

Got mixed up I guess.I meant 935. LOL
The semi auto version of the Mossberg.
The dealer swapped him a 835 to make good.

Rem classic 700 in 375 H&H, could not make it shoot sub 5" w/ many different loads and every trick in the book i know.

Couldn't knowingly sell a POS like that to someone, so junked the brl, sold the stock and built a fine 7STW.

Gunner

Bedding forearm will fix about 95% if the issues in most #1s.

Remington 770, I claim ignorance on my part for buying it. I was a newbie to the rifle game and it was on sale. That was 5 years and many guns ago. My knowledge of what a piece of crap looks like is a whole lot better. I can also afford to spend a little more money now. Not saying you have to spend tons of money to get a quality firearm, but just because it's on sale doesn't mean it's a good deal either. Looking back at it I should have saved my money for something better. 770=Pure crap. I am ashamed to own it. I am also ashamed that I bought it at Wal Mart.

The only thing someone should be ashamed of is the company that made it.

I am in the camp that if you sells something it should do a servicable job no matter the cost or how cheap. Sure you can buy fancier/smoother/lighter etc...but a rifle sold as new even a cheap one should still function as a rifle.

H&R 9 shot 22lr revolver, a later model.

Generally 3 of the rounds in the cylinder would not fire. Still have it somewhere. I found a good old fashioned (young) gunsmith through someone on 24hr Campfire, may take it in and have it fixed.

I'm sure the work will be more than I originally paid new, but I hate to a) own a piece of crap, b) sell a piece of crap to some one else, and c)throw away something that can be repaired and used.

Sycamore

d,
It was a BLR 81.

I have a friend who owns a Ruger #1 with the most attractive
wood I have ever seen on a factory Ruger, it shoots terrible,
but he refuses to do anything with it, plus he owns tons of
other rifles.

M96 Swedish carbine (~16" barrel ) in 6.5x55, grandpa won it in a card game and gave it to me to hunt deer with when I was 12. I had to put a match book under the rear sight to hold it in place :-D, it would shoot MOD(minute of deer) to about 50 yards.


Still have it in my gun safe for some reason. I take it out and shoot every couple years to justify the space it takes up and to jog my memory of how bad it really is.

If that Swede is an unaltered M94 carbine, it's worth a small fortune.

Auto-Ordinance 1911A1. Wouldn't extract, wouldn't eject, and the front sight fell off. It was even worse than the AMT Back-up Special I had... if that's even imaginable.

Kimber Montana in 300WSM.... had to send it back because it would not even chamber a factor round of ammo... then still could not get it to group at 100 yards.... sent it down the road... only bolt gun I have ever had that I could not get to shoot good enough that I felt comfortable enought to kill a deer with.

Tikka T3 in 338 fed. Tried 4 different bullets and several powders.......just didn't shoot. Took a loss and traded it.

32" Long Tom, single shot shotgun! Ouch.

J-22 gets my vote, too. Given to me by a relative. I held onto it for years waiting for one of those "gun buyback" programs to come to town so I could get a $50 gift card to a Safeway grocery store or something. Never happened.

I eventually sold the magazines on Gunbroker, disassembled the pistol, and threw away the pieces into separate garbage cans.

A guy came to the range once to sight in his brand new browning octagon single shot ?rolling block 7 mag. It would only fire about half the new box of cartridges.

A caulk gun and nail gun! They always seem to take away from my extra curricular activities...

Winner, winner, chicken dinner

A great looking pre-64 Winchester 100 in 308. It was a very complicated single shot.

That is my "worst gun purchase" also. I bought and returned it before the waiting period had ended. It was dirt cheap and so was everything about it.

A Blemington Super Express 870 (3.5in). The only shells I could shoot in it were Remington, all others would be come stuck in the chamber after firing.

A Spanish 10 ga Magnum side by side ( unknown mnfg )
Took it out to the cabin with a group.My boss discovered it would go off when snapped closed rapidly

He took out a box of clay pigeons at three feet while my buddy was bent over 'em

He stood up covered on mud and his wife screamed, thinkin he was hit.

Just mud back splash, thank God
We got it to repeat several times.

I shot both tubes at once into a junked truck tail gate.
( Sent it spinning off like a playing card in the wind )
But after the auto discharges, took it back the same shop , the same day and traded it off.

No more unknown big bores for me!

All of them, guns can only lead to crime, murder and mayhem. I think I am going to saw them all up this afternoon.

S&W pump shotgun, don't even know the model number. We took it to the range the weekend after I bought it and after the 4th shot, I went to chamber a round and the slide bar broke.
I returned it to the gunshop that day asking about fixing it and when they learned that they had sold to a minor (they never asked how old I was, and I didn't know a 16 year old couldn't buy) they were more than happy to refund my money and asked me not to come back till I was 18.

Smith @ Wesson 4006 , thing weighed a ton and jammed every few rounds.

Had one of these too. Literally could not hit a barn door, well at least a 9" paper plate at like 6 feet. I was new to handguns at the time and really couldn't fathom that one could be so bad. Had a Jennings 25ACP since that proved otherwise.

Although almost 770 embarrassed to say, many years ago, I purchased the all time biggest POS ever, a 'sporterguised' Enfield 303. Thing had a home built 3/8" thick aluminum plate side mount scope mount, chopped barrel, rubber buttpad with metal poking through the heel, a wood 'grip' added, a leather padded comb and two worn out magazines that would not hold shells in consistently.

Sometimes, buying the best is the cheapest.

Interesting how no one has mentioned a pre-64 Model 70... :P

When I was in HS I obtained a knock-off .22 revolver, a Ruger Single Six lookalike but not a "Shootalike"! I didn't understand at the time why or exactly what was happening but the cylinder would not line up with the barrel and did so differently each time. Bullet bits would shave off, splatter out the barrel cylinder/barrel gap and the misshapened bullet would spit out way off one direction or another. A gunsmith told me it was not worth fixing but he tried. Had a .22 magnum cylinder too but I didn't dare to use it. The trigger ending up breaking along with the hammer.

Charter Arms Bulldog.

First barrel looked it was threaded and had chunks gouged out of it.

Sent back with the tag still hanging from the trigger guard.

I asked for a barrel replacement from a time when the quality control folks were sober.

Came back with a new barrel and does what I ask of it as a carry piece, never did a lot of accuracy testing as it is only meant to be used for social occasions other than "Fam Fire" function check once in a while.

A Remington lever action .22 I bought used. I can't find info on it on the internet but it was probably a model 76. It had a wood stock and a detachable magazine. I've never seen one before nor since.

It would fire about half the time when the action closed, incredibly unsafe and it was ugly. The gun dealer would not refund and i was leary of "fixing" it, so he gave me the purchase price toward a Ruger 10/22.

Rem Nylon 66 .22LR. The barrel was held in the stock by a shim. It wasn't attached to the receiver at all. The chamber just slipped inside a hole in the receiver. The shims couldn't hold the barrel tight and it was impossible to zero as the barrel moved.

New Haven produced M70 "Classic" and I was dumb enough to do it twice.

Remington Model 7 in .260 - Actually I still own it to remind me not to buy another one. Worst lockup I've ever seen; locks up 15% on one lug and 0.000% on the other, if you can call that locking up. It's good for about 2 MOA. My wife's Ruger .260 is a gem compared to this colossal POS.

LOL! Had the same jam-o-matic 500 20ga, no matter how firmly it was racked. I could hit birds with it, however.

It rattled like a tin peddler, slug barrel irons sights cheaper than chit and lousy slug accuracy - but that's more a consquence of price point.

Read a few pages back. There is one mentioned.

Two come to mind, a Stoeger Lugar in 22LR, nice looking but did not function well. The other was a Ruger P85 in 9mm most inaccurate pistol I have ever owned. It soon went down the road, don't care for firearms that are less accurate than I can be.

+1, Had one and actually after about 300 rounds I found a load that it liked. What a PITA though. Thick necks made it a bitch to load for and the bolt felt like it was going to fall out of the action. I was happy some sucker besides me thought it was attractive.

I have a Ruger Model 77 that has always pulled to the right in the stock. When I tried to relieve the pressure on the barrel, it just keeps on moving to the right. I have fought this thing for years trying to get it to shoot right. I finnaly figured out that the hole in the bottom of the action for the forward stock screw is drilled off center. It is a piece of junk.

I would mention my cheap Ruger .22 semi rifle and the way it keeps getting lighter and lighter- shaving metal from the action- but it was really cheap

It is a bit disconcerting to hear the stories of these lemons and that many were offed at gun shows

My worst in accuracy was my kids H&R .243 superlight. Nicest little gun on the market, till ya shoot it. Junk from the word go. 6" groups at 50 yds. Also had a Rem. 700 youth in .243. It did 3" @ 100 yds. It rusted like crazy. Couldn't even use it in the rain. Never saw a gun do that. Traded it for a Tikka T3 for my son. Gets 3" @ 200 yds. Nice gun.

Hand down, a Kimber 84 Montana in 270 WSM. It never shot a sub 2" group before or after I sent it back to the factory. Was an absolute POS.

Interesting. I had an 03-A3 in 30-06 that did similar. It had a Fajen (blemished factory second) stock that I inletted, and for the 20 years or so that I owned it, it would move the POI 1-2 inches up and right per year. I guessed that it was slow stock warpage still drying or something like that. It shot my deer load of 165 Sierras into a half inch at 100 yards. I loved that rifle but had to sight it in each year just before the season started.

I recently bought a Kahr CW45 off Gunbroker, after reading all the bad stuff about them. The seller said he only fired it the recommended 200 rounds before deciding to sell it. The guy was a real geek about answering e-mails and I believed him.

When I picked it up at my FFL he said he thought something was wrong with the trigger. The gun looked brand new and was well lubricated. In my first 25 rounds I had the magazine drop down while it had rounds remaining, the slide stop walked out, it failed to eject one round, sometimes it would not fire no matter how hard I pulled the trigger, and sometimes it appeared to take an inordinate amount of pressure to get it to fire. I wrote the seller and he had a hard time believing it, and said he would have sent it back to the factory himself if he had encountered the problems I experienced. (The warranty is not transferable, BTW.)

I went to Kahr forum and found tons of tech information on fixing all the "usual problems," including problems with the slide stop spring, magazine catch, and the magazine catch spring. (The slide stop spring design on the polymer guns appears to be a major flaw, IMHO.) A friend who is a Kahr owner and a Glock armorer took it for a few days and proclaimed it accurate, but, otherwise, a POS in evey other regard. He thought the trigger bar was goofed. I ordered some parts and put it back together the other day but the trigger was binding. I am going to give the gun and spare parts away to a worthy tinkerer and sell off the holster and magazines I ordered at the same time I "won" the auction. If we had gun buybacks in this state, I maybe would do that. I would not trust that gun with my life.

Iver's Johnson TP22

Jammin junk!!

Ruger 44 Magnum carbine. MTG

Ahhhh! yes. I wondered how long it would take for someone to mention one of THOSE.

SKS - it would shoot "minuite-of-barn-side" on a good day!

Oh I would have to say a Winchester 1400 20 ga. shotgun, I could not shoot and hit anything with it to save my soul, then an 870 pump in 28 ga came my way and I had no problem killing all the pheasants and ducks I shot at go figure. For rifles, it was a Model 70 Winchester Laminate stocked 300 WSM. Had a crooked chamber dumped a load of money into it and its a safe queen. Those two were the worst.

You would think. This statement seems to make sense.

My story happenned to my twin brother, not my revolver.

I had my FFL in the early nineties. My brother saved up enough dough to buy a Taurus revolver. Handed said funds to me. Me being the gracious brother that I am, I added a couple of hundred dollars to his stash and got him a Smith and Wesson Model 642. (The seemingly best)

That revolver sprayed lead on the back of your hand, and eventually put a crack in the frame. Smith and Wesson replaced it, but said the crack was a "scratch".

Smith and Wesson took care of the issue, which does show if you deal with a reputable company, they will make it right.

My only widly inaccurate revolver ever purchased was a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag with a 5 1/2" bbl.

I could not hit the broadside of a barn.

Even when shooting from the inside.

Did you contact them about the issue?

El Tigre single shot .22. Cheeeeeeep!!!!! Almost nothing worked on it. I bought it at Mason's dept store (I think) for around 30.00. Ejector was goofy, trigger pull? Well, it HAD a trigger. Surprisingly, pretty good accuracy.

For me it was an 7x55 Mauser manufactured in some South American Third World Country it was so bad some gun butcher had bent the bolt handle, there wasn't any head spacing as I only fired it once and it blew the primer our of the primer hole.

When I returned it to the party I bought it from he claimed he never sold it to me. Last time I ever did business with his shop.

Kimber Montana 7mm/08. 6moa with Sierra Matchking handloads.

Rem 700 .243 - shot patterns.

model 700' 308 shot good just hated the 308.

not THE worst, but the most ive spent on one is a kimber crimson carry Ultra II. WILL NOT cycle the first round all the way in without help. I finally threw the nicest carry piece i own in the safe and carry a springfield xd instead. 1/3 the cost and 6/3 the quality

SS Colt Gold Cup, multitude of problems besides working like a single shot and inaccurate. Made me swear off anything Colt.

Ruger 77/22 and Ruger 44 carbine, both shot like crap and the 44 for some reason kicked more than a 12ga with heavy turkey loads.

Jennings .22 pistol! POS!!!

FWIW in the late 70's I was working a Hunting & Fishing Show beside a Winchester rep. He was embarressed by the 1200 and 1400 and confided they were the worst products ever produced by the company.

My first experience was in 2002 when I was handed a loaner 1200 while hunting in RSA. It looked like it had been drug behind the boat crossing the atlantic and hadnt seen a minutes care since it left the factory. Dry as a bone, we used motor oil off the cars dip stick on the bolt. It grated, crunched and bound up on every other shot. Much to my surprise, I did manage to kill some birds with it and the thing had somehow lasted about 30yrs.

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