Amish people are exercising their religious freedom to live a simple life without any technology. And most state and local governments tend to leave them alone.
But for some reason, a Michigan county decided to pick a fight with the local Amish community.
County officials posted notices on several Amish houses that their homes were unfit for human occupation because they did not have modern plumbing.
The county says unless they are brought up to code, the houses will be demolished.
Well, some folks don't want to live in neighborhoods where a fella can paint his fence purple either.
Or keep a 1980's K car on the lawn.
So what's wrong with wanting the neighbors to crap indoors instead of heading out to the little building at all hours of the day and night, and folks having to know when and what they're up to.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
I'll add this...........they want to claim freedom of religion on things like not putting lights and slow moving vehicle signs on their horse drawn buggies, which pose a danger to cars on the highway. Also, you and I have to buckle our seatbelts and make our children ride in car seats......they don't, on grounds of religious objections.
They use religion as way to get around doing things that would cost them money to be in compliance with the laws that we all have to live under, yet they don't see a problem with spending money on things that benefit them, and them alone.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
Lots of incest in those communities, from what I understand.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
You gotta admit that Amish Mafia was a pretty sweet show though.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
You gotta admit that Amish Mafia was a pretty sweet show though.
I asked a local Amish that I know real well about that, and he claimed ignorance. I really think he didn't want to have to admit he'd seen it on TV.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
James,
are you a proponent of private property rights? Or more .Gov oversight?
I live in an open range county, cow crap on the highway is not uncommon, either from ranchers moving their cattle or from that which spills from the trucks going by all year moving cows on and off the grazing lands. A bit of poo on the car doesn't bother much.
We have Mennonites here, just a different flavor than yours back there. Ours use cars and pickups.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
We have had a fair number of Mennonites move to western South Dakota and they, for the most part, are hard working people who drive the same cars and trucks we do. The are mostly self employed and one of them runs a tractor business I use. This group is from Michigan.
We have Amish about forty miles west of here and I know little about them except that they are not the best smelling folks I have ever been around. The do some work on a barter business. My neighbor had them roof his house and traded them baled hay for it.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
So, pretty much just like Yuppie Scum moving in next to my farm.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
If caught, and some have been, a farmer that allows chemicals to leak out on a road, or has an oil or diesel spill on a road, can be fined.
We had an Amish farmer here who was caught pumping hog manure from his hog houses, into a river that was used a water source for a city downstream. He was fined, and the Amish lovers had a fit, thinking he was being picked on.
What you're trying to do is to compare life where you live to what it's like in other places, and that ain't gonna work.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
Good post Geno.
There's been a few things written over the span of man's time here on earth. One of them has something to do with glass houses.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
Good post Geno.
There's been a few things written over the span of man's time here on earth. One of them has something to do with glass houses.
And many of the people commenting here have, in all likelihood, never seen a real live Amish person, let alone lived amongst them.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
If caught, and some have been, a farmer that allows chemicals to leak out on a road, or has an oil or diesel spill on a road, can be fined.
We had an Amish farmer here who was caught pumping hog manure from his hog houses, into a river that was used a water source for a city downstream. He was fined, and the Amish lovers had a fit, thinking he was being picked on.
What you're trying to do is to compare life where you live to what it's like in other places, and that ain't gonna work.
Actually, I'm trying to state that some horse crap on the road, or a slow buggy in front of me, isn't such a big deal. Whether or not I pay more road tax than the buggy owners or not.
Are places aren't so dissimilar. We have slow cows, farm tractors and haying equipment, Spray rigs, Granny Farm Lady that drives to town once a month and pulls out in front of you even though there's three miles of empty road behind you, and you folks are lucky in that it rains every so often even in summer. Cow crap on our roads might be there for months before the next storm comes in September. 60-90 days without rain here is not a drought.
I'm not sorry you have to drive though a horse apple or two. It's really not a big deal.
And the Amish are not the only folks that try to get away with dumping crap where it ain't supposed to be. And the rancher lovers, or the industry lovers have a fit thinking their local job providers are being picked on. Happens everywhere James.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
Some of them Amish chicks is pretty hawt.
Nothin' a good skinny dip at the swimmin' hole can't fix. Don't even have to worry what them gals look like without their "warpaint" on, like Englishers.
What you're trying to do is to compare life where you live to what it's like in other places, and that ain't gonna work.
Kinda like what you're doing....
So you have a little horse manure on the side of the road....big deal. I have a 75 acre mowing lot across the street from me that they spread the slurry out 3-4 times a year. Sure it smells, but such is life. And yes, there is manure and mud on the road as well. If you don't like it, move to a city.
Lack of slow moving triangles, that would be your state then because in PA, they need them on. Wearing a seat belt and doing 70mph is a bit different than not wearing them in a horse drawn carriage.
Lack of indoor plumbing, I know families that didn't have indoor plumbing into the mid 1960's. State should have zero say on the matter.
I live in western Pa. and I'm surrounded by old order amish. There are a lot of them that I don't care for. All but two of my neighbors are amish. Two of them are very good friends. I give the one's boys fishing lures. They have some ways that are different, no arguement there. However, I don't have to worry about anything getting stolen. There are amish thieves, no doubt. That goes with any group of people. They help out all of their neighbors too.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
Some of them Amish chicks is pretty hawt.
They must be hawt cause they sure smell like they sweat a lot!
There is a tiny school going up to Junior High in the County north of here. It's part of a bigger district. The Amish/Mennonites control that school. We used to play them in basketball. It was a great day when my kids got into high school and didn't have to play them anymore. Dirty players, refs that constantly cheated, a substandard gym always filled to the brim with their crowd that was outright hostile to visiting spectators. I always felt like I was gonna get my throat cut in that town out in the middle of nowhere.
Lack of indoor plumbing, I know families that didn't have indoor plumbing into the mid 1960's. State should have zero say on the matter.
I can remember when my grandparents' house first got a flush toilet. As long as their septic systems (or privies) aren't contaminating their neighbor's water wells. Or in an urban setting, where outhouses don't make sense.
Neither of which is the case here, so I agree the govt should butt the *&$# out.
There's 100,000's summer homes, hunting camps in Michigan than still use outhouses and let dish and bathing water go in a ditch to where ever.....I have a home in a township that at least 20% of the houses don't even have a legal septic field.....
Lenawee County land price have sky rocked in the past 10 years....it's also big buck territory.....the county would rather have 10 millennial buy 5-10 acres on splits of a Amish farm build a $750,000 house and pay big taxes.....
There worried about maybe 100 Amish "turds".....there was 1,000,000,000 gallons of "turds" dumped in Lk.St.Clair from a storm on January 19.....and up to 1,000,000,000,000 gallons a year....but its ok for the government to do it....
There is a tiny school going up to Junior High in the County north of here. It's part of a bigger district. The Amish/Mennonites control that school. We used to play them in basketball. It was a great day when my kids got into high school and didn't have to play them anymore. Dirty players, refs that constantly cheated, a substandard gym always filled to the brim with their crowd that was outright hostile to visiting spectators. I always felt like I was gonna get my throat cut in that town out in the middle of nowhere.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
I'm not sure about the Amish, but I did grow up in the midst of the Mennonites in Southern Ontario. Our family farm dealt with many of them many times over the years and I never once heard my father talk them down in any way, nor have I ever heard anyone complain about what their horses do on the side of the road.
I'd rather have them for neighbours than a lot of other so called "normal" folk.
The government needs to leave them alone and stay out of it, but I could care less if I ever saw another one. We've had an amish community a couple of counties away from us for several generations but they've worked all over the southern part of the state. Some do great work, others not so great. They have been there long enough that they have outgrown their communities and a lot of the locals won't sell the kids any land, especially farm ground, so they are moving out. We are starting to get them in our county and this bunch is coming out of New York. They're selling farms for big money there and moving to areas where land is not nearly as expensive like here. My part of the state is not typical amish country. Way too many hills and rough ground, not the flat or gentle rolling ground like they typically inhabit. I have been around them working on job sites and had other dealings with them. They love to act ignorant. That's one of their favorite tactics. They are hard on livestock and hard on women and there is no end to their creativity when it comes to screwing someone out of a dollar. You better be real careful if one is nice to you. They aren't who you think they are. The other day, my friend sent me a picture of an amish horse and buggy tied to a sign at the hospital. The sign said, "Veteran's Parking." Oh yeah, that's one thing you won't find in an amish community......... a VFW.
Hey, if we're going to allow the amish to practice their religion I guess the muslims should be allowed the same freedom, right?
That's the trouble with freedom of religion. You might not like your neighbour's beliefs but he has the same right as you have to practice whatever he chooses.
Hey, if we're going to allow the amish to practice their religion I guess the muslims should be allowed the same freedom, right?
That's the trouble with freedom of religion. You might not like your neighbour's beliefs but he has the same right as you have to practice whatever he chooses.
I'll add this...........they want to claim freedom of religion on things like not putting lights and slow moving vehicle signs on their horse drawn buggies, which pose a danger to cars on the highway. Also, you and I have to buckle our seatbelts and make our children ride in car seats......they don't, on grounds of religious objections.
They use religion as way to get around doing things that would cost them money to be in compliance with the laws that we all have to live under, yet they don't see a problem with spending money on things that benefit them, and them alone.
They are nothing but a damn cult.
Or try hunting around them. I had one of the asshats climb a tree 25 yds behind me this year in a fancy climbing tree stand He went high enough to be able to see over the top of my blind into the creek bottom I was watching. They also refuse to serve. I have no use at all for them
Gingrich Murder Wow, never heard that before! There are some seriously messed up people everywhere.
Tons of old order Amish and what we call “Black Car” Amish or Mennonite around here. They pretty much stay in their world and I stay in mine. Only gripe I’ve got is the ones on bicycles not sharing the phuqing road. Someday somebody in a car is gonna get killed over those dumb chits. The horse and buggy’s ain’t as bad as the bicycles! I’ve often wondered how certain things are forbidden for them, but other types of technology are fine. At the farm show most of them have cell phones! Latest tractors are ok if they don’t have rubber tires! I’ve seen them hauling motorized push mowers in a horse pulled wagon. Lotta things just don’t add up in my mind. 7mm
Mennonites, They have a Mennonite school one mile from my house. It is a large Mennonite community in our town. They have large, well kept farms, nice homes, immaculate yards, and beautiful children. The ladies all wear little caps on their heads in public, dresses past their ankles, never a pair of slacks. The men and women all look you right in the eye, and speak pleasantly. Their kids are well educated, polite, respectful of their elders. And they never get in trouble with the law, or get on welfare.
They have a welding and fabrication shop near the school. They have done several jobs for me. Very fair prices, and top quality work.
What is not to like? I wish everybody in the nation would raise their kids a bit more like the Mennonites do.
Hey, if we're going to allow the amish to practice their religion I guess the muslims should be allowed the same freedom, right?
That's the trouble with freedom of religion. You might not like your neighbour's beliefs but he has the same right as you have to practice whatever he chooses.
Do away with all religous based tax and fee exemptions across the board. Aint fugging right some of the schit religous groups dont have to pay or get taxed on or report income from. Latadadi every fugging body..... Every fugging one of em. Christains, muslims, jews, rastafuggingfarians.
Boo fugging hoo....
See how religous the fuggwads are after a year or so of having to pay their fugging share of schit and answering up to unca suga every april 15 like the rest of us have too.
All convienant for em when it comes to the Benjamins.
Division of religon and state. GMAFB....
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Since when in anyones mind does freedom of religon translate into carte blanche get out of schit when it comes to money.
I'm catholic, I dont wanna pay taxes or fees anymore per my religous beliefs. Amish can claim religon as a pretext for exemption, why cant I????
Someone please explain that to me....
Unreported income Tax exemptions Fee exemptions Exemptions from laws Ect ect ect
They live in this nation Pay up like the fugging rest of us.
I haven't been around Amish very much but some Mennonites started moving in and settling here in my area a couple of decades back. There must be different sects of Mennonites because all of those here drive regular motor vehicles but always black or a very dark in color with very little if any chrome. The women and kids are extremely clean and well kempt looking. The kids are always polite and subdued and stay close to a parent out in public. They live in big but simple and well kept, no-frills 2 story frame white houses with full porches they built themselves. The Mennonite schools have modern h/vac units, too. The Mennonite store had full electric lighting, coolers, cash register, h/vac, etc.
Truth is it’s not 1890 and society has changed, they too need to adopt living in the current society. We have em here and while nice enough people are a huge hazzzard on the road, no lights and go right down the middle at night. Then there’s the horse chit...
Edward Gingerich From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search Edward Gingerich (1966 – January 14, 2011) was an Amish man from Rockdale Township, Crawford County, Pennsylvania, who was convicted of manslaughter in the 1993 death of his wife, Katie.[1] He is the first Amish person to be convicted of homicide.[2]
He was said to have been somewhat of a rebel to the Amish way of life from an early age, and many of the others in their community were apprehensive of the marriage between Ed and Katie. He spent a lot of time in the wood shop, becoming increasingly interested in the limited machinery the Amish allowed themselves to operate as well as interacting with non-Amish people (known as the English, regardless of ethnicity). The belief was that an unwaveringly faithful woman would be a good influence on the troubled young man and so the marriage went ahead.
After the wedding and the birth of a son, Gingerich became increasingly depressed. Through the wood shop he worked in, he befriended a non-Amish man called Dave Lindsey who told him that unless he renounced his Amish faith and became a born-again Christian like Lindsey, he would go to Hell.
Gingerich's mental state continued to deteriorate and eventually he began hallucinating and had a psychotic break that scared his Amish community to the point of contacting 911 for help. Gingerich was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and was given medication to ease his symptoms. His medication eased Gingerich's hallucinations but put him in a "zombie" state that he disliked and eventually he stopped taking his doses. His state of mind continued to deteriorate. Lindsey, among other evangelists who visited Gingerich at the wood shop, lectured him about renouncing his faith and led him to believe that he was being confined and almost held captive by his wife, Katie. There are reports that he began to associate her with the devil.
On March 18, 1993, Gingerich entered his home's kitchen where Katie was working, and punched her in the face, knocking her to the ground. Katie yelled for her 6-year-old son, who was in the room at the time, to run and get help. The young boy ran over a mile to his uncle's home, but by the time the man arrived at the scene of the crime, Katie was long dead. Seeing his brother standing beside her gruesome body, covered in blood, the man feared for his own life and fled to the house of a nearby English family where he called 911.
When assistant fire chief and EMTs Andy McLaughlin arrived on the scene, the scene was horrific. Gingerich had beaten Katie to death, taken the time to put on heavy, high top boots, and stomped on Katie's skull until she was left unrecognizable. Not only that, Gingerich had removed all her internal organs and piled them beside her body.[3] In recordings of Gingerich's police interrogation, he can be heard saying that "For some reason, I think we could still save her".[4]
After his trial, Gingerich was found "guilty of involuntary manslaughter but mentally ill". He was sentenced to a minimum term of two and one-half years and a maximum of five years with credit for time served since his May 19, 1993, incarceration. Hence, Ed would be eligible for parole by late 1995. Gingerich was denied his first bid for parole in December 1995. However, on March 19, 1998, at the age of 34, and having served his full sentence, he was released from the State Correctional Institution in Mercer, Pennsylvania.[5]
Gingerich was found hanged in a barn in Cambridge Springs, Pennsylvania, where he had been living with his attorney. He wrote "Forgive me please" in the dust atop a bucket before committing suicide.[6][7]
Amish are a pain in the balls to have around. Fuggers need to get with the program and buy cars instead of holding up traffic with those damned buggies. Most of us have shyt to do and places to be and we ain't got time to follow their damned horses for miles.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
Good post Geno.
There's been a few things written over the span of man's time here on earth. One of them has something to do with glass houses.
And many of the people commenting here have, in all likelihood, never seen a real live Amish person, let alone lived amongst them.
And once again, you're wrong. I've lived near them, as a matter of fact, I live in Lenawee County MI. My comment is that you're bitching about them, while being a road muddying, traffic flow stopping, government farm welfare loving farmer. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just it's hypocritical for you to bitch.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
James,
are you a proponent of private property rights? Or more .Gov oversight?
I live in an open range county, cow crap on the highway is not uncommon, either from ranchers moving their cattle or from that which spills from the trucks going by all year moving cows on and off the grazing lands. A bit of poo on the car doesn't bother much.
We have Mennonites here, just a different flavor than yours back there. Ours use cars and pickups.
Geno
Nephew married a Mennonite girl we refer to them as Amish Light..
Ask any older guys who were drafted into military service exactly how many Amish were also subjected to the same service. You all already know the answer. None. They don't deserve any religious freedom. Let alone using it for an excuse for everything. They're vermin.
The government needs to leave them alone and stay out of it, but I could care less if I ever saw another one. We've had an amish community a couple of counties away from us for several generations but they've worked all over the southern part of the state. Some do great work, others not so great. They have been there long enough that they have outgrown their communities and a lot of the locals won't sell the kids any land, especially farm ground, so they are moving out. We are starting to get them in our county and this bunch is coming out of New York. They're selling farms for big money there and moving to areas where land is not nearly as expensive like here. My part of the state is not typical amish country. Way too many hills and rough ground, not the flat or gentle rolling ground like they typically inhabit. I have been around them working on job sites and had other dealings with them. They love to act ignorant. That's one of their favorite tactics. They are hard on livestock and hard on women and there is no end to their creativity when it comes to screwing someone out of a dollar. You better be real careful if one is nice to you. They aren't who you think they are. The other day, my friend sent me a picture of an amish horse and buggy tied to a sign at the hospital. The sign said, "Veteran's Parking." Oh yeah, that's one thing you won't find in an amish community......... a VFW.
Mennonites are different than Amish in a lot of ways although in this part of the state the two are usually found living in close proximity to each other. They do tend to keep to themselves but the Mennonites I've talked to didn't care much for Amish and weren't bashful about it either. The funny thing is, most of the drivers for Amish work crews are Mennonites who are usually former Amish who have crossed over to the "dark side" and are despised by the Amish for it, but, still used by the Amish for transportation. Go figure!
Rene, The ones I know, if they are paying less taxes, they are more than making up for it with unused social services, law enforcement, jails, and courts.
The Mennonites around here, the Friends in a neighboring town, and our little group of Brethren could teach the rest of the nation some valuable lessons about raising youth to be productive citizens instead of leaches on society.
Do away with all religous based tax and fee exemptions across the board. Aint fugging right some of the schit religous groups dont have to pay or get taxed on or report income from. Latadadi every fugging body..... Every fugging one of em. Christains, muslims, jews, rastafuggingfarians.
Boo fugging hoo....
See how religous the fuggwads are after a year or so of having to pay their fugging share of schit and answering up to unca suga every april 15 like the rest of us have too.
All convienant for em when it comes to the Benjamins.
Division of religon and state. GMAFB....
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Since when in anyones mind does freedom of religon translate into carte blanche get out of schit when it comes to money.
I'm catholic, I dont wanna pay taxes or fees anymore per my religous beliefs. Amish can claim religon as a pretext for exemption, why cant I????
Someone please explain that to me....
Unreported income Tax exemptions Fee exemptions Exemptions from laws Ect ect ect
They live in this nation Pay up like the fugging rest of us.
Fugg em... Let em eat fisheads.....
My feelings exactly, though I could never express them as eloquently. I once rode on an elevator for many floors w/ 2 Amish couples, the stench made a Vietnamese fish market smell like a rose garden.
My all time favorite name for a rock climbing route is Slam Dancing w/ the Amish, that's in the Red Rocks near Las Vegas.
I’ve never seen one in person. Sounds like they aren’t too popular with the people that live close to them.
They do an outstanding job in carpentry. Friend of mine built a house years ago. He had the amish do his cabinets, the charged him about $20k. The cabinets were appraised at more than twice what he paid.
Funny how they use modern stuff like cars, trucks and cell phones when it suits their needs.
What ever their color, religion, or sexual orientation, they should have to abide by the rules, laws of the area they live in. And that might be the fault of the leaders of the area.
You live next to me & I have to spend 5 grand on a septic system, your turn, DUH! Practice your [bleep] religion in your home, your church , or on your dime, just get over the fact that you're excluded some how!!!!!!!
There are a bunch of amish/mennonites/hutterites/ buggy drivers that have farms and a store east of Salmon, Idaho. They sell a bunch of stuff dressed up to look homemade but is from all over including China. They do make great sandwiches there and ring you up on an electronic cash register. Running up on one of their heated buggys on a snowy day will make you question freedom of religion.
Back here in Pa we know Amish and Mennonites pretty well. Tourists and yuppies think they are cool but anyone whom lives near them refer to them as white [bleep]. They run their house appliances on air from a propane air compressor. They also know every angle to get around any laws they do not like. Also they reek! Can't imagine fugging one.
There are a bunch of amish/mennonites/hutterites/ buggy drivers that have farms and a store east of Salmon, Idaho. They sell a bunch of stuff dressed up to look homemade but is from all over including China. They do make great sandwiches there and ring you up on an electronic cash register. Running up on one of their heated buggys on a snowy day will make you question freedom of religion.
I had a dream just last night that I was trying to shoot something with an AK and it wouldn't work. I have nothing against AK's...not a hater. [bleep] u cker just wouldn't work!
They think nothing of trespassing to hunt and shoot any deer turkey bear they see on their property all year long.I I caught them stealing timber I had cut and drug out of my woods into my field. They wanted it for firewood for their maple syrup boiler. Once caught they were shocked I would care if they used it. But they did bring me two hay wagons of cut wood and stacked it to replace my logs...doubt I would have gotten that has I not caught them!
Usually around here they have some drunk who lays around in a bar all night and can't keep a real job as their driver. Then he hauls them out each day so they can rip off white people with their chitty craftsmanship while he sleeps it off in the van all day , the next day they repeat the process.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
Good post Geno.
There's been a few things written over the span of man's time here on earth. One of them has something to do with glass houses.
And many of the people commenting here have, in all likelihood, never seen a real live Amish person, let alone lived amongst them.
I live in ground zero of the Amish world on the border of Lancaster county and I've never seen a worse disinformation campaign launched against the Amish than I have in this thread.
Ask any older guys who were drafted into military service exactly how many Amish were also subjected to the same service. You all already know the answer. None. They don't deserve any religious freedom. Let alone using it for an excuse for everything. They're vermin.
Rather harsh assessment of hardworking people who are absolutely doing important duty (low input farming) and not using up government money. And if we all would refuse to fight in foreign adventures think how rich we'd be as a nation.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Rene, The ones I know, if they are paying less taxes, they are more than making up for it with unused social services, law enforcement, jails, and courts.The Mennonites around here, the Friends in a neighboring town, and our little group of Brethren could teach the rest of the nation some valuable lessons about raising youth to be productive citizens instead of leaches on society.
That's how I feel about them. What if they kill a few deer? Bet they use every scrap.
That's how I feel about them. What if they kill a few deer? Bet they use every scrap.
You wouldn't say that if it was me killing as many deer as I want out of season and/or without tags and I'd use every scrap too. They are a goddam menace on the roads and pay little attention to game laws. I know what I'm talking about as we're overrun with them in some areas of NY.
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
In most states, roads are paid for by fuel taxes. Do they pay taxes on their hay & feed grain?
Once again, if you think all Amish , draft Dodgers or not, are involved in farming then you are showing how much you actually know about them.
I know that some build furniture and the ladies I'm sure make things to sell. They work as carpenters, bricklayers, taxidermists, probably plumbers. Honest work.
I think it's great that someone called their area " ground zero" , I can't think of a better way to describe a hot bed for an invasive disease like the Amish.
Within a 50 mile circle they vary widely in how they live.
Some north of here across the state line don’t ride on air, rubber. Steel tractor treads, bicycles just metal rim/spokes. Smoke ciggs
Another bunch, no tractors at all, strictly mules or Percheron horses.
Another bunch, massey furgeson tractors, tinted windows, led light bars, run 55 mph down the highway
Then south of me near Dickson Co Tn. One that I went to his place to buy my yellow labrador, he drives brand new F-350. Wears button down blue dress shirt, wranglers,. Kids zippin around on a wheeler in the back field. The wife was the only one that looked the part. She had the little white covering on her head and a full length denim skirt.
And some will tell you they’re Amish and some will tell you they’re Mennonites.
Once again, if you think all Amish , draft Dodgers or not, are involved in farming then you are showing how much you actually know about them.
I know that some build furniture and the ladies I'm sure make things to sell. They work as carpenters, bricklayers, taxidermists, probably plumbers. Honest work.
Plumbers?! Honest work?! Good God, I hope your water heater doesn't need to be replaced anytime soon....(grin)
Within a 50 mile circle they vary widely in how they live.
Some north or here across the state line don’t ride on air, rubber. Steel tractor treads, bicycles just metal rim/spokes. Smoke ciggs
Another bunch, no tractors at all, strictly mules or Percheron horses.
Another bunch, massey furgeson tractors, tinted windows, led light bars, run 55 mph down the highway
Then south of me near Dickson Co Tn. One that went to his place to buy my yellow labrador, he drives brand new F-350. Wears button down blue dress shirt, wranglers, cinch boots. Kids zippin around on a wheeler in the back field. The wife was the only one that looked the part. She had the little white covering on her head and a full length denim skirt.
And some will tell you they’re Amish and some will tell you they’re Mennonites.
Ya but they're all the same , a cult. One guy wants to quit hiding his cellphone , bishop won't allow that, you just move 50- 1000 miles start your own church and infect a new area. Next guy wants gas lights, same deal, wanna drive on rubber, etc, etc.
Once again, if you think all Amish , draft Dodgers or not, are involved in farming then you are showing how much you actually know about them.
I know that some build furniture and the ladies I'm sure make things to sell. They work as carpenters, bricklayers, taxidermists, probably plumbers. Honest work.
Plumbers?! Honest work?! Good God, I hope your water heater doesn't need to be replaced anytime soon....(grin)
The whole conversation is about Amish people refusing to use indoor bathrooms and this dude thinks they are plumbers. Lol
I had a dream just last night that I was trying to shoot something with an AK and it wouldn't work. I have nothing against AK's...not a hater. [bleep] u cker just wouldn't work!
I don't understand complaints about Amish having the kind of freedom we should all have.
Because this is America, and everyone is supposed to play by the same rules .
That's what they recommend to be a good little slave. Try harder to get a little more freedom than they allow you. You know like your forebears may have in those wars that were fought here.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
We have some Mennonites around but no horse and wagon Amish. I spent a couple of days riding Amtrac from Wisconsin to Oregon with a good size bunch of Amish going to Mexico for elective medical treatment (much cheaper). They were an interesting bunch and did not smell bad. They brought all their own food and didn't set foot in the dining car. The babies were fed on the tit under a cover of course. The small children were linen up in their seats in the morning and fed milk and oatmeal. There were farmers and furniture builders, and builders along on the trip. All the kids behaved, the ladies were quiet and modest, and the men friendly enough and would converse with me in English. Now the blacks that rode from Chicago to Minnesota, that was an ignorant acting bunch screaming at and threatening children the whole way.
My point exactly. Ask those Amish what sacrifices they made in those wars. NONE. And they can't even be bothered to following building codes or tax laws.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
We have some Mennonites around but no horse and wagon Amish. I spent a couple of days riding Amtrac from Wisconsin to Oregon with a good size bunch of Amish going to Mexico for elective medical treatment (much cheaper). They were an interesting bunch and did not smell bad. They brought all their own food and didn't set foot in the dining car. The babies were fed on the tit under a cover of course. The small children were linen up in their seats in the morning and fed milk and oatmeal. There were farmers and furniture builders, and builders along on the trip. All the kids behaved, the ladies were quiet and modest, and the men friendly enough and would converse with me in English. Now the blacks that rode from Chicago to Minnesota, that was an ignorant acting bunch screaming at and threatening children the whole way.
So the short answer is that you live no where near them but happened to see a group on mass transit one time and you are now an expert on how they live.
JamesJr... the only guy I know who lives by the black ghetto, but yet so rural the amish have horse [bleep] on his road..
Make up your mind man, you can only be mad at one made up thing a day you old bitty....
Lotta Mennonites and Amish around me. Mennonites built my barn, did a damn fine job. Amish keep to themselves, but they do butcher lot of people deer for cheap. I dont use them but heard its hard to get in touch with them, for obvious reasons.
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Fugg em... Let em eat fisheads.....
Ouch, that's rough.
But friend, there are some other very important things that "fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages" that are still important to many of us.
If a good Liberal (no such thing, right) saw your statement they'd be the first to tell us that the Constitution is an evolving document and doesn't mean now what it meant to all them dead fuggs.
I do understand the fish heads though.......................they can be quite tasty
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
We have some Mennonites around but no horse and wagon Amish. I spent a couple of days riding Amtrac from Wisconsin to Oregon with a good size bunch of Amish going to Mexico for elective medical treatment (much cheaper). They were an interesting bunch and did not smell bad. They brought all their own food and didn't set foot in the dining car. The babies were fed on the tit under a cover of course. The small children were linen up in their seats in the morning and fed milk and oatmeal. There were farmers and furniture builders, and builders along on the trip. All the kids behaved, the ladies were quiet and modest, and the men friendly enough and would converse with me in English. Now the blacks that rode from Chicago to Minnesota, that was an ignorant acting bunch screaming at and threatening children the whole way.
So the short answer is that you live no where near them but happened to see a group on mass transit one time and you are now an expert on how they live.
I don't say that at all but I feel about them the same way I do about the much hated Vietnamese fishermen that took over a good bit of the shrimp fishing in my state and Texas. They like the Amish are different and I am very familiar with Vietnamese fishermen. They stick together and keep their nets repaired themselves, do most of their engine repair and in general cut costs any way they can by keeping money in their own community. When they catch a load they put Mama out on the road selling it. If they come in at night with fish on deck they sort with a headlight instead of running the main engine. They eat things they can't sell like stingray and silver eel. I fished for years down there in LA and TX on Florida boats and watched penny pinching Viets push Cajuns out of business. Those upcountry Amish don't pay fuel bills, city water, mechanics, or barn builders. The Viets cut everbody they can out of money and when they show up to buy a fixer-upper boat they bring cash. The cajuns could haves stayed away from alcohol and banks and fished hard and done as well.
Slumlord brought up seeing hudderite women with big ole suit cases Up in montana going into canada on trains.
I told him i bet they was moving cash from one community to another in at least one of those suit cases.
What do you all think of their internal cash banking system that exist. Are they held to federal regs on that like the rest of us are.
What about wealth transfers between relatives Inheritance taxed???? Capital gains taxed??? Remember its all cash...... Their feet held to the fire on that schit like the rest of us.
Not when it is not known by unca suga it aint.
Whats the limit a parent can disburse/ gift to a child per the IRS in the regular world tax free..........
Amish and mennonites aint held to this schit cause unca suga dont know what they have.... All under the pretext of religous exemption schitt.
I get on a plane or whatever to go to or from the USA Do i have over 10 k in cash on the customs form....
Religous exemptions in any religion in this country is fugging B.S. Unreported income makes the rest of us TaxCheats when caught does it not.....
I've known a few who go through several men-a-night.
Oops I better not crack anymore Amish jokes. Someone who saw a picture of one , one time and drove through one of their [bleep] tourist trap communities will be along to tell me how perfect they are, no thieves, crooks, molesters, drunks, whores, addicts, liars, or lazy ones. And They are basically perfect humans in every regard.
We have three different groups of Amish in our local area. Each group has different rules. Don't be thinking you know all about them just because you know a lot about a local group.
Their society resembles the "English" in our community in that there are some really fine people and there are some you don't want to be friends with.
Slumlord brought up seeing hudderite women with big ole suit cases Up in montana going into canada on trains.
I told him i bet they was moving cash from one community to another in at least one of those suit cases.
What do you all think of their internal cash banking system that exist. Are they held to federal regs on that like the rest of us are.
What about wealth transfers between relatives Inheritance taxed???? Capital gains taxed??? Remember its all cash...... Their feet held to the fire on that schit like the rest of us.
Not when it is not known by unca suga it aint.
Whats the limit a parent can disburse/ gift to a child per the IRS in the regular world tax free..........
Amish and mennonites aint held to this schit cause unca suga dont know what they have.... All under the pretext of religous exemption schitt.
I get on a plane or whatever to go to or from the USA Do i have over 10 k in cash on the customs form....
Religous exemptions in any religion in this country is fugging B.S. Unreported income makes the rest of us TaxCheats when caught does it not.....
Pay like the rest of us have too......
Another layer exists in the fact that they don't have social security numbers. ...think about it , it's like they perfected the illegal immigration scam even though they were born here. You basically can't penalise a someone who doesn't exist. what's an irs auditor gonna do? Show up and ask for John miller and demand the books? There are none, mostly cash. Which John miller? I dunno there's 28 of them in this township. Short of committing a super violent crime, they are untouchable. And that would probably be swept under the rug from within.
I live among many Amish and some Mennonites, know many and do business with them periodically. I also travel through many Amish and Mennonite communities in northern PA and the Finger Lakes region of upstate NY. Their farms and homesteads are generally the nicest, cleanest and well kept around, not using their yards for trash dumps like a good portion of the "English" around our area. Their animals are always well cared for. We always look forward to attending their auction in the spring to support their schoolhouse where they sell loads of tools, well built solid wood furniture, handmade quilts, livestock, etc. I often envy their simple methods of living and do not wish any bad upon them, especially the government intruding on their lives. Instead, I wish we could get the government out of ours. I am certainly glad that I live among them rather than among the likes of Nathan13.
The government needs to leave them alone and stay out of it, but I could care less if I ever saw another one. We've had an amish community a couple of counties away from us for several generations but they've worked all over the southern part of the state. Some do great work, others not so great. They have been there long enough that they have outgrown their communities and a lot of the locals won't sell the kids any land, especially farm ground, so they are moving out. We are starting to get them in our county and this bunch is coming out of New York. They're selling farms for big money there and moving to areas where land is not nearly as expensive like here. My part of the state is not typical amish country. Way too many hills and rough ground, not the flat or gentle rolling ground like they typically inhabit. I have been around them working on job sites and had other dealings with them. They love to act ignorant. That's one of their favorite tactics. They are hard on livestock and hard on women and there is no end to their creativity when it comes to screwing someone out of a dollar. You better be real careful if one is nice to you. They aren't who you think they are. The other day, my friend sent me a picture of an amish horse and buggy tied to a sign at the hospital. The sign said, "Veteran's Parking." Oh yeah, that's one thing you won't find in an amish community......... a VFW.
JTrapper,
some do great work, others not so great?
Dang, that sounds like those colored folks, and some Mexicans, Ukranians, and even..........................white Volk.
Selling property in NY for big money and moving to your area?
Dang, that sounds like some Californians moving to "pick a State"..............or even Iowans, Minnesotans, and Ohioans moving to TX or other Southern States.
As to non-service in the military.............there have been many conscientious objectors from various religions, and likely even atheist ones, over the years.
Seems like there's some dislike around here for living in a free country.
I live among many Amish and some Mennonites, know many and do business with them periodically. I also travel through many Amish and Mennonite communities in northern PA and the Finger Lakes region of upstate NY. Their farms and homesteads are generally the nicest, cleanest and well kept around, not using their yards for trash dumps like a good portion of the "English" around our area. Their animals are always well cared for. We always look forward to attending their auction in the spring to support their schoolhouse where they sell loads of tools, well built solid wood furniture, handmade quilts, livestock, etc. I often envy their simple methods of living and do not wish any bad upon them, especially the government intruding on their lives. Instead, I wish we could get the government out of ours. I am certainly glad that I live among them rather than among the likes of Nathan13.
your Amish up north must not work that hard, down here in the center of the state they run there horses into the ground
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Fugg em... Let em eat fisheads.....
Ouch, that's rough.
But friend, there are some other very important things that "fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages" that are still important to many of us.
If a good Liberal (no such thing, right) saw your statement they'd be the first to tell us that the Constitution is an evolving document and doesn't mean now what it meant to all them dead fuggs.
I do understand the fish heads though.......................they can be quite tasty
Geno
It religous exemptions to keep benjamins that pisses me off. Why cant I as a individual citizen say my religon prevents me from paying or obeying this that or the other.
Whats fair for one should be fair for all.
When these religous groups have internal community cash banking systems outside of unca suga,s eyes. And people like you and myself dont. It aint right. What makes them so special they are untouchable.
Im catholic I want the same perks these people have income reporting wise and banking wise. Why do they have the freedom I dont have. Why do I have to pay taxes on my assets in banks, 401s, stocks, ect ect ect While they have community cash cow banks all unreported and unknown to unca suga.
Its all bullschitt man and dont equate in this day and age to other rights that have existed for 100,s of years for all of us.
Bottom line is they are fuddy duddy old policy tax cheats and scammers who deal in unreported cash income.
While the rest of us get screwed.....
Religous exemptions carte blanche from the old days need ta cease. Let em worship whatever they want. But the loopholes benjamin wise need ta cease for all religous groups specially when cold hard cash is involved. JMO...
The government needs to leave them alone and stay out of it, but I could care less if I ever saw another one. We've had an amish community a couple of counties away from us for several generations but they've worked all over the southern part of the state. Some do great work, others not so great. They have been there long enough that they have outgrown their communities and a lot of the locals won't sell the kids any land, especially farm ground, so they are moving out. We are starting to get them in our county and this bunch is coming out of New York. They're selling farms for big money there and moving to areas where land is not nearly as expensive like here. My part of the state is not typical amish country. Way too many hills and rough ground, not the flat or gentle rolling ground like they typically inhabit. I have been around them working on job sites and had other dealings with them. They love to act ignorant. That's one of their favorite tactics. They are hard on livestock and hard on women and there is no end to their creativity when it comes to screwing someone out of a dollar. You better be real careful if one is nice to you. They aren't who you think they are. The other day, my friend sent me a picture of an amish horse and buggy tied to a sign at the hospital. The sign said, "Veteran's Parking." Oh yeah, that's one thing you won't find in an amish community......... a VFW.
JTrapper,
some do great work, others not so great?
Dang, that sounds like those colored folks, and some Mexicans, Ukranians, and even..........................white Volk.
Selling property in NY for big money and moving to your area?
Dang, that sounds like some Californians moving to "pick a State"..............or even Iowans, Minnesotans, and Ohioans moving to TX or other Southern States.
As to non-service in the military.............there have been many conscientious objectors from various religions, and likely even atheist ones, over the years.
Seems like there's some dislike around here for living in a free country.
Geno
You might want to research the different duties that were assigned to legitimate conciencous objectors during g wartime in this country before you make excuses for the Amish. Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
I had a dream just last night that I was trying to shoot something with an AK and it wouldn't work. I have nothing against AK's...not a hater. [bleep] u cker just wouldn't work!
I'm familiar with AK's having owned one. I knew how it worked in the dream and wasn't doing anything wrong. It just wouldn't work...which is a recurring dream with me. Not just with AK's but with other guns. Of course, I've had that happen in real life. The Judge is a prime culprit and I once hand an original Sharps I was hunting with and the trigger just wouldn't pull on a big buck. Some would say buck fever. I dunno. It just wouldn't pull.
I would agree that churches and religious property should be taxed without favor or discrimination. Same way Amish and Vietnamese are taxed on their farm and business property. Here we have preachers owning the church and parsonage and exempt from property taxes. They take up the collection and it is his to spend and report as he wishes.
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Fugg em... Let em eat fisheads.....
Ouch, that's rough.
But friend, there are some other very important things that "fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages" that are still important to many of us.
If a good Liberal (no such thing, right) saw your statement they'd be the first to tell us that the Constitution is an evolving document and doesn't mean now what it meant to all them dead fuggs.
I do understand the fish heads though.......................they can be quite tasty
Geno
It religous exemptions to keep benjamins that pisses me off. Why cant I as a individual citizen say my religon prevents me from paying or obeying this that or the other.
Whats fair for one should be fair for all.
When these religous groups have internal community cash banking systems outside of unca suga,s eyes. And people like you and myself dont. It aint right. What makes them so special they are untouchable.
Im catholic I want the same perks these people have income reporting wise and banking wise. Why do they have the freedom I dont have. Why do I have to pay taxes on my assets in banks, 401s, stocks, ect ect ect While they have community cash cow banks all unreported and unknown to unca suga.
Its all bullschitt man and dont equate in this day and age to other rights that have existed for 100,s of years for all of us.
Bottom line is they are fuddy duddy old policy tax cheats and scammers who deal in unreported cash income.
While the rest of us get screwed.....
Religous exemptions carte blanche from the old days need ta cease. Let em worship whatever they want. But the loopholes benjamin wise need ta cease for all religous groups specially when cold hard cash is involved. JMO...
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you in principal....................I'm a flat taxer after all................don't think "rich folks" should get a tax break just because one of their "investments" is losing money..................or their oil well is depreciating.
What happens if we were to join an Amish clan, could we hide our money too?
I drafted an Amish buggy when cycling through Ohio, that horse was pulling a steady 15mph, into a headwind.
Turns out too that a horse has all kinds of torque, didn’t hardly slow at all going uphill. In conversation later the driver told me that a horse was good for forty miles a day, which I would guess works out to about four hours.
‘Nother bunch further down the road the women were using kids’ scooters to get to the store, no bicycles, just scooters.
In Western New York though a buggy load of teenagers were speeding, galloping through town, yelled something as they passed.
The government needs to leave them alone and stay out of it, but I could care less if I ever saw another one. We've had an amish community a couple of counties away from us for several generations but they've worked all over the southern part of the state. Some do great work, others not so great. They have been there long enough that they have outgrown their communities and a lot of the locals won't sell the kids any land, especially farm ground, so they are moving out. We are starting to get them in our county and this bunch is coming out of New York. They're selling farms for big money there and moving to areas where land is not nearly as expensive like here. My part of the state is not typical amish country. Way too many hills and rough ground, not the flat or gentle rolling ground like they typically inhabit. I have been around them working on job sites and had other dealings with them. They love to act ignorant. That's one of their favorite tactics. They are hard on livestock and hard on women and there is no end to their creativity when it comes to screwing someone out of a dollar. You better be real careful if one is nice to you. They aren't who you think they are. The other day, my friend sent me a picture of an amish horse and buggy tied to a sign at the hospital. The sign said, "Veteran's Parking." Oh yeah, that's one thing you won't find in an amish community......... a VFW.
JTrapper,
some do great work, others not so great?
Dang, that sounds like those colored folks, and some Mexicans, Ukranians, and even..........................white Volk.
Selling property in NY for big money and moving to your area?
Dang, that sounds like some Californians moving to "pick a State"..............or even Iowans, Minnesotans, and Ohioans moving to TX or other Southern States.
As to non-service in the military.............there have been many conscientious objectors from various religions, and likely even atheist ones, over the years.
Seems like there's some dislike around here for living in a free country.
Geno
You might want to research the different duties that were assigned to legitimate conciencous objectors during g wartime in this country before you make excuses for the Amish. Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
You mean like this history?
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Although by 1917, when the US entered the First World War, the ‘Historic Peace Churches,’ (Quakers, Mennonites, Amish and the Church of the Brethren), were legally exempt from military service, state draft boards were not consistent in applying the law. The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) was established to provide support for conscientious objectors and alternatives to military service, work which continued throughout the Second World War.
There's a lot more info on it out there if you'd care to look into it. Read that link and see about the folks who went to jail for their beliefs and such.
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Some Quakers regard taxation for military purposes as a form of conscription. Refusal to pay tax as a form of protest goes back at least to 1709, when Pennsylvania Quakers refused a request for £4000 for a military expedition against the French in Canada, saying "it was contrary to their religious principles to hire men to kill one another". During the War of Independence, Quaker property was seized and many Quakers were jailed for war tax resistance.
Yeah, others were given office duty, or medical duty, but still others refuse to assist a military effort in any way, including paying for it.
Jesus Christ...sounds like everyone's jealous that they're doing what no one else has the balls to do..... Tell .gov to suck a big one and do what's right, not what's "legal".
Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
People who work and produce needed goods and services and are not a burden on the public treasury are not parasites on society and I applaud them for not wishing to go kill people in a foreign country or assist in any way.
Jesus Christ...sounds like everyone's jealous that they're doing what no one else has the balls to do..... Tell .gov to suck a big one and do what's right, not what's "legal".
It could also be looked upon as more of the multiple tiered justice system. IOW I think people here, if jealous, are more jealous that these dudes get away with what they can't.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
People who work and produce needed goods and services and are not a burden on the public treasury are not parasites on society and I applaud them for not wishing to go kill people in a foreign country or assist in any way.
Junk pole barns, filthy baked goods, and wooden lawn trinkets are not needed goods. You guys have no clue what you are talking about because you haven't experienced living among them. This idea that you want to celebrate them sticking it to the government is based solely on some romantic notion you have about the way they live. That notion is false. If any other group of people disregarded their civic duties as Americans you'd be all over them. But you think they're so cute with their barefoot kids and phony lifestyles that you support them. Go down to your local veterans memorial and read the names of the draftees that have been killed and maimed in service of this country against their will, because it's part of the responsibility that comes with living in the greatest country in the history of the earth, and then tell me how great these vermin are.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
So, are you saying that with a screen name of "Yoder" you know whatof you speak?
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
I've known a few "draftees" that would say it was their responsibility to serve, against their will or not, so that the Amish and others of their ilk could practice their religion while living in the greatest Country in the history of the earth.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
damn it James, I'm thinking about changing my sig line now!
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If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
Gotta love it!!! Only on the Fire can ya have a Yoder drop in to rain on a Amish hate parade...
It goes beyond private property rights. Far beyond them. This is not 1820, when the only mode of transportation was by horse, and the roads were dirt, and the horse chit could be tromped into that. Horse chit on a paved road stays there until a rain washes it off. I and others paid for that road through the taxes we pay...................that Amish or Mennonite in that horse and buggy does not pay anywhere close to the taxes that I pay.
Do you, or any other modern farmers there, move a tractor from one field to another on the paved roads?
Do y'all wash the muddy tires off before you bring it out of the field and onto the paved road others have paid taxes for? Some folks might not like the stuff that's in that mud on their roadways, getting onto their cars/trucks, into their yards/driveways where their children and dogs play. Them chemical spray rigs "never" leak either, right? You know that mud stays on the paved road until it rains too. Then it runs off into the commonly owned waterways.
Go ahead, worry about some road apples if you must, you paid for that road.
Geno
If caught, and some have been, a farmer that allows chemicals to leak out on a road, or has an oil or diesel spill on a road, can be fined.
We had an Amish farmer here who was caught pumping hog manure from his hog houses, into a river that was used a water source for a city downstream. He was fined, and the Amish lovers had a fit, thinking he was being picked on.
What you're trying to do is to compare life where you live to what it's like in other places, and that ain't gonna work.
Actually, I'm trying to state that some horse crap on the road, or a slow buggy in front of me, isn't such a big deal. Whether or not I pay more road tax than the buggy owners or not.
Are places aren't so dissimilar. We have slow cows, farm tractors and haying equipment, Spray rigs, Granny Farm Lady that drives to town once a month and pulls out in front of you even though there's three miles of empty road behind you, and you folks are lucky in that it rains every so often even in summer. Cow crap on our roads might be there for months before the next storm comes in September. 60-90 days without rain here is not a drought.
I'm not sorry you have to drive though a horse apple or two. It's really not a big deal.
And the Amish are not the only folks that try to get away with dumping crap where it ain't supposed to be. And the rancher lovers, or the industry lovers have a fit thinking their local job providers are being picked on. Happens everywhere James.
Geno
at one time in prescott, horse poop was pretty common on the streets, and there were rings on the curbs to hitch them too. now we got damn kalifornicans in there cutsy pants riding bicycles. i would rather have the horses.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
So, are you saying that with a screen name of "Yoder" you know whatof you speak?
Jesus Christ...sounds like everyone's jealous that they're doing what no one else has the balls to do..... Tell .gov to suck a big one and do what's right, not what's "legal".
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
Gotta love it!!! Only on the Fire can ya have a Yoder drop in to rain on a Amish hate parade...
Making the Fire Great Again!!!!!!
Lol I love it. His buddy Byler was gonna join in but he's busy repacking a 100 dollar 55 gallon drum of peach jam from China into dirty half pint jars so he can sell them to white people next summer for 6 bucks each.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
I had a dream just last night that I was trying to shoot something with an AK and it wouldn't work. I have nothing against AK's...not a hater. [bleep] u cker just wouldn't work!
I'm familiar with AK's having owned one. I knew how it worked in the dream and wasn't doing anything wrong. It just wouldn't work...which is a recurring dream with me. Not just with AK's but with other guns. Of course, I've had that happen in real life. The Judge is a prime culprit and I once hand an original Sharps I was hunting with and the trigger just wouldn't pull on a big buck. Some would say buck fever. I dunno. It just wouldn't pull.
No man . Dont take it like I'm poking at ya. Been watching these this evening. Take comfort in probably 65 75 percent or more of our country is like this and most of them are probably Liberal Socialist Democrats
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
So, are you saying that with a screen name of "Yoder" you know whatof you speak?
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
So, are you saying that with a screen name of "Yoder" you know whatof you speak?
Seventeen year old Granddaughter hydroplaned and slid her car off in a ditch on a rural back road a couple of weeks back. As luck would have it it happened right in the middle of where a group of Mennonite families live and within minutes they were out there doing whatever they could to help. Thankfully our granddaughter wasn't hurt other than just shook up. Her car was fine too after clearing the mud and weeds from the underside and wheel-wells.
How far exactly is the nearest Amish person to your home? I can guess by your blind love for them, but come on how far?
350 yards.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
So, are you saying that with a screen name of "Yoder" you know whatof you speak?
Geno
good one
I was actually kinda hoping Yoder might find his way here.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet.
Two thumbs up.....these are truly fine folks.....at least at a rate far beyond all others I have dealt with.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet.
Two thumbs up.....these are truly fine folks.....at least at a rate far beyond all others I have dealt with.
a saturday once a month they would come into my shop to buy guns and ammo, I always sat by the window and when I seen them comeing in the van I would tell my worker that I need to go to the head. after not hearing everyone walking around i would come up and all the windows and door would be open airing the place out
all these fugging loopholes to get out of paying for schit is ridiculous and fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages.
Fugg em... Let em eat fisheads.....
Ouch, that's rough.
But friend, there are some other very important things that "fugging came about 100,s of years ago passed by fuggs that been dead for ages" that are still important to many of us.
If a good Liberal (no such thing, right) saw your statement they'd be the first to tell us that the Constitution is an evolving document and doesn't mean now what it meant to all them dead fuggs.
I do understand the fish heads though.......................they can be quite tasty
Geno
It religous exemptions to keep benjamins that pisses me off. Why cant I as a individual citizen say my religon prevents me from paying or obeying this that or the other.
Whats fair for one should be fair for all.
When these religous groups have internal community cash banking systems outside of unca suga,s eyes. And people like you and myself dont. It aint right. What makes them so special they are untouchable.
Im catholic I want the same perks these people have income reporting wise and banking wise. Why do they have the freedom I dont have. Why do I have to pay taxes on my assets in banks, 401s, stocks, ect ect ect While they have community cash cow banks all unreported and unknown to unca suga.
Its all bullschitt man and dont equate in this day and age to other rights that have existed for 100,s of years for all of us.
Bottom line is they are fuddy duddy old policy tax cheats and scammers who deal in unreported cash income.
While the rest of us get screwed.....
Religous exemptions carte blanche from the old days need ta cease. Let em worship whatever they want. But the loopholes benjamin wise need ta cease for all religous groups specially when cold hard cash is involved. JMO...
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you in principal....................I'm a flat taxer after all................don't think "rich folks" should get a tax break just because one of their "investments" is losing money..................or their oil well is depreciating.
What happens if we were to join an Amish clan, could we hide our money too?
Geno
Hahahaha!!! Amish clan
Would love ta see 10 % flat tax federal for sure.
Everybody....
Even rats on their welfare benefits
SS is fugged up basically getting taxed twice. Cant wait for that schitt in 5 yrs when I turn 62.
Then I get ta experience medicaid cost at 65 in conjunction with tricare for life schitt.
While welfare rats never have ta pay a thing but have the right to vote.
I didn't take it that way my friend. I thought you might be concerned that I had never operated one. That would be the case with some other weapons. I'd like to fire an MG42, but have never handled one.
I watched most of the video and found it enlightening and entertaining.
I will GUARANTEE YOU that I know and do business with 10X the Amish individuals that you do. They are, as a community, the most decent people you will ever meet. There are isolated instances of a Dutchman...…...well......….being a douchebag...….....much like yourself. Every society has them. But the percentage of Yanks, English...……..us...…..that goes outside the law on rules, regulations, taxes, what have you, is FAR higher than what you'll find in the Amish community.
Truth.
Gotta love it!!! Only on the Fire can ya have a Yoder drop in to rain on a Amish hate parade...
Making the Fire Great Again!!!!!!
Lol I love it. His buddy Byler was gonna join in but he's busy repacking a 100 dollar 55 gallon drum of peach jam from China into dirty half pint jars so he can sell them to white people next summer for 6 bucks each.
Ya got it bad don't ya... Must be one of those fine christian fire guys.
Byler is packing a special jar for you, it's the all new coronavirus flavored jam.....
You might want to research the different duties that were assigned to legitimate conciencous objectors during g wartime in this country before you make excuses for the Amish. Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
It sounds like you don't appreciate your fellow citizens if they refuse to go and assist in any way the killing of other humans that are not trying to invade this country. I am terribly against foreign involvement because of the cost and it is none of our business mostly. I am certainly against going to another country and killing people who aren't bothering me. It's just my belief that I shouldn't. When they invade or if some of our home grown become dangerous that's different. Other than that live and let live. I wonder maybe you've been involved in some action you feel defensive about?
What you're trying to do is to compare life where you live to what it's like in other places, and that ain't gonna work.
Kinda like what you're doing....
So you have a little horse manure on the side of the road....big deal. I have a 75 acre mowing lot across the street from me that they spread the slurry out 3-4 times a year. Sure it smells, but such is life. And yes, there is manure and mud on the road as well. If you don't like it, move to a city.
Lack of slow moving triangles, that would be your state then because in PA, they need them on. Wearing a seat belt and doing 70mph is a bit different than not wearing them in a horse drawn carriage.
Lack of indoor plumbing, I know families that didn't have indoor plumbing into the mid 1960's. State should have zero say on the matter.
We have plenty of villages in Alaska that don't have indoor plumbing outside of the laundromats and public showers. Seems to only be a problem with ignorant-ast L48ers.
I didn't take it that way my friend. I thought you might be concerned that I had never operated one. That would be the case with some other weapons. I'd like to fire an MG42, but have never handled one.
I watched most of the video and found it enlightening and entertaining.
You might want to research the different duties that were assigned to legitimate conciencous objectors during g wartime in this country before you make excuses for the Amish. Being a draft dodging, parasite upon our society is not the same as being a conciencous objectors.
It sounds like you don't appreciate your fellow citizens if they refuse to go and assist in any way the killing of other humans that are not trying to invade this country. I am terribly against foreign involvement because of the cost and it is none of our business mostly. I am certainly against going to another country and killing people who aren't bothering me. It's just my belief that I shouldn't. When they invade or if some of our home grown become dangerous that's different. Other than that live and let live. I wonder maybe you've been involved in some action you feel defensive about?
Nope, I just love this country too much to sit back and keep my mouth shut while some people take advantage of it under the guise of religion. This country isn't perfect , none are. But it's damn close or atleast it used to be. And there's civic duties that every citizen is responsible for. America is the land of freedom. Sadly too many , especially the Amish have confused freedom with free ride. ....that's not how it's supposed to work, straw hat or not.
Do they beleive in the Jesus???? Or just sky 6????
I dunno. Dont matter. They could worship a garden slug for all I care. Just fugged up they get outta schit all legal and if any of us pulled the same thing. The IRS and unca suga would hang ya in an instant.
1 standard for all No exemptions...
If I pay for that ordained minister ad in the back of rolling stone magazine like they had years ago.
Cant I get outta my fugging tax check I gotta write this year.
only problem I have with the Amish is there using our roads, came home last night at 1130pm and pasted 20 some buggies, some with lights on the back of the biggie but a lot without, I think they should have front and rear light and seat belts to boot
I know they love to scam tourists. Friend of the family farms produce here in MI. With tractors and sprayers and all the modern equipment. The Amish buy so much from him in Shipshewana and around Michigan that they paid for the refrigerated box truck he bought. Every Thur in the summer he takes a load packed to the gills around to the Amish for the sucker tourists to buy at the Amish markets on the weekends. I know another guy that his Dad drove bread truck. He said the Amish would buy all the day old artisan type bread take it out of the bag and wrap it in wax paper to sell at their stands.
Or go further south for the ayahuasca. Lotsa folks doing that for the spiritual experience.
Geno
Is it tax deductable ??? Lol!!!
Why not,
take a note pad, write a little item for the local news rag, call yourself an author, and use it as a research trip tax write off.
Envelopes and boxes....................gotta think outside them things.
Geno
PS, now you got me thinking, can I write up the trip to NZ to see Taylor and get that red stag hunt in while there? For a guy on a fixed income I oughta be able to knock down the tax liability a bit, eh?
Or go further south for the ayahuasca. Lotsa folks doing that for the spiritual experience.
Geno
Is it tax deductable ??? Lol!!!
Why not,
take a note pad, write a little item for the local news rag, call yourself an author, and use it as a research trip tax write off.
Envelopes and boxes....................gotta think outside them things.
Geno
PS, now you got me thinking, can I write up the trip to NZ to see Taylor and get that red stag hunt in while there? For a guy on a fixed income I oughta be able to knock down the tax liability a bit, eh?
Ask slumlord about Taylor Swift and NZ tax benny stuff. Im not a fan like him.
Taylor looks a featherless female version of Big Bird from sesame street.
She has no soul. Lizard illuminati type in a human skin from Antarctica I think. Lives in those geothermal caves the Nazi,s fled too .
Got a bunch of em not far from here. They are known to totally ignore posted signs and game laws and bag limits. Put on drives over properties they have permission to hunt or not and kill any deer that moves, regardless of antler restrictions, tags etc.... Also they underbid alot of "English" companies for construction work. Easy as they arent worried about child labor laws, workers comp insurance, minimum wages, proper PPE etc etc. As an example "English" workers need hard hats to comply with OSHA regs, but Jakeys straw hat is good enough! And dont get me started on the cash business and tax part!
We have Indians, a sovereign nation unto themselves.
Amish?........pffft. 😂
All about perspective, right?
"Check it, yo. So we was on our way home from th'clubs downtown and all twisted 'n shyt, decided to make a stop all quick-like at the bricks onnaway to you know, git a lil' sumptinsumptin fo late night an' whatnot. My boy comes out of the elevator after gitten' squared away from the south side doorstop uv the projects and walks right into six MF'ers wif'sawed offs, pistols Anna machete...."
"One time while at a unchaperoned cookout/bonfire type deal on the hill behind the Maynard place we had three Amish appear from the shadows. Talk about a horror show!"
The sick stuff is how they treat the young girls and boys, child labor laws mean nothing to them, I found a dead twelve year old boy dead in the woods with a large tree that had crushed him, his father had dropped him off there to fall trees while the father and his crew worked else where, there is no reason that that boy should have died alone doing a mans job !
At this point 11 pages of "they suck, smell, kill everything, skip tax laws, etc.etc." Against 1\2 page worth of " what great people they ar e" . Looks like they suck crowd is the winner! My vote goes to they suck side
I could relate stories all night about their abuses but to be fair I will say a lot depends on the group (clan) you encountered. Some are nothing short of such out to rip off ignorant tourists others do work hard and keep to themselves.
I could relate stories all night about their abuses but to be fair I will say a lot depends on the group (clan) you encountered. Some are nothing short of scum out to rip off ignorant tourists others do work hard and keep to themselves.
Got a bunch of em not far from here. They are known to totally ignore posted signs and game laws and bag limits. Put on drives over properties they have permission to hunt or not and kill any deer that moves, regardless of antler restrictions, tags etc.... Also they underbid alot of "English" companies for construction work. Easy as they arent worried about child labor laws, workers comp insurance, minimum wages, proper PPE etc etc. As an example "English" workers need hard hats to comply with OSHA regs, but Jakeys straw hat is good enough! And dont get me started on the cash business and tax part!
We talking about Mennonites or Mexicans? Mexonites?
The ones in our area are about as proportionally decent as the rest of society. Some good, some bad, some a pain in the ass.... They're losing membership quick as a lot of the kids leave the church. A lot of that has to do with farmable land being developed for housing and the remaining propertys sell for more than it cash flows so they just can't farm. Most of them get into construction of one kind or the other. I don't personally know of any that build unlicensed or uninsured. They can be hard to deal with when it comes to business most of the time, trying to squeeze every dime they can. Most aren't the brightest but not surprising since they leave school at the 8th grade, but some, like a family I know that owns a machine shop will amaze you.
The kids outwork 95% of other white kids their age, and that's a fact. As far as a labor pool, for construction type work, they're near the top. As far as my interaction with them, two neighbors, my metal roof guy, my mason, guy that repairs my tools, guy I buy my stocking trout for my pond from, guy that repairs hydraulic cylinders on my equipment, guy that owns the archery shop we use.... All Mennonite, no Amish in this area to speak of.
I'm not a total hater of the Amish/Mennonites. I respect them in many ways, as they are hard workers, and pretty much believe in taking care of themselves without involving government. I do a lot of business with them, as they do with me, and as others have said, they're like other folks in that there are good ones, bad ones, and all kinds in between.
Among my many gripes about them is how they expect us, the English as they call us, to allow them to live as they choose, while we must change our habits to allow that. They have a propensity to ignore our laws if those laws do not suit their religious view about something. Most of the ones here believe that it's okay to kill as many deer as they can, regardless of the bag limit. They see no problem with trespassing, as many of them see the land as belonging to God, which while true, does not give them the right to go on someone else's land without permission.
In order to operate a motor vehicle here in Kentucky, I must first have a drivers license. I must pay to take the exam, and then pay to renew that license every 4 years. I can then buy a car, and when I do I pay sales tax on it, plus property tax every year that I own it, and I will also pay some type of transfer tax when I license it in my name. I will pay every year for a license plate for my car, and I also must have insurance on it in order to get that license plate. Some cities will tax that insurance policy. Okay, now I've got my drivers license and my car, and I'm ready to drive. That car requires gas, and that gas is taxed, both state and federal. If I buy tires, they also have a federal tax, and any other repairs or parts I buy for my car are taxed as well. You can count it up, but in order to legally drive a car, I'm going to either be taxed or have to pay a fee at least 10 times.
Meanwhile, that Amish or Mennonite that drives his horse and buggy, or tractor on the same highway, does not have a drivers license, nor insurance, or a license plate, nor do they pay any gasoline tax, or any other thing that I must pay. The taxes that I am paying are money that is used to build those roads and keep them repaired. In other words, they are using the roads pretty much free. Add to that the fact that steel horseshoes and steel wheel tractors eat up the pavement, so they are damaging the words when they use them. Most of what they use is exempt from sales tax because of the farm exemption.
I've saved by best gripe for last. They have moved into my area in large numbers, and they make up at least half of the local volunteer fire department. When we have a meeting, we always have the pledge of allegiance to the flag. We noticed that they did not say it. When asked why, they said it was because the United States is a warring nation, and they do not believe in war. Well, guess what...........wars are what have given those basturds the freedom of religion that allows them to drive those damn buggies up and down the road. Wars are what gave them the right to live in a country where they can worship as they please. Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
Some of them Amish chicks is pretty hawt.
LMAO. Yeah you’re the only one. You go big shooter.
In northern Pa about 20 years ago they moved in and bought up many of the farms that were sitting idle. They paid cash an the locals seemed happy to have them. Soon they wore out their welcome partly because locals were being undercut on their own business endeavors as it seemed each family had a sideline to farming,ie. carpentry, masonry,bakery, etc. When this took a foothold the locals quit doing business with them. The Amish and Mennonites soon moved back to Ohio. Now when a small farm comes up for sale if the buyer is from out of town mysteriously the house and barn burns down shortly after the sale. This Amish that remain keep to themselves. I have hired some to build a barn for me ...whew! The work was great and fast as they worked from 6 AM to 6PM but I had to pay them cash at the end of every day and they ALWAYs tried to get a bit more than agreed upon.
I wish those of you who do not live around the Amish and Mennonites had to. You simply have no idea. While I respect, and admire them, in many ways, the fact is that they want to be able to move into a neighborhood and live as they choose, and make those of us who have been living there all along compromise our way of living in order to accommodate theirs.
If you have ever had to drive on a highway covered in horse chit on a hot summer day, and have it all over your car, you just might change your mind about them.
I'm not sure about the Amish, but I did grow up in the midst of the Mennonites in Southern Ontario. Our family farm dealt with many of them many times over the years and I never once heard my father talk them down in any way, nor have I ever heard anyone complain about what their horses do on the side of the road.
I'd rather have them for neighbours than a lot of other so called "normal" folk.
......... Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
This is what I would respect them the most for. I am not into chanting either and I will not kill people for this country unless we are actually invaded.
Fuggers around here get carte blanch, don’t have to buy license plates, business licenses, workman’s comp insurance. Run the roads buck wild in pimped-out tinted window cab tractors running highway speeds.
When they’re not running highway speeds to Golden Corral, they doing 05mph during rush hour hauling 20 tons of saw dust for their multi million dollar tobacco operations.
Some of them Amish chicks is pretty hawt.
LMAO. Yeah you’re the only one. You go big shooter.
That stiffy would melt like an ice cube in the oven if you ever get a whiff of a puzzy that ain't been washed since last Saturday night.
I know some guys here who have messed around with some of the Mennonite girls, and they all have one story in common.........those gals ain't real "fresh" down there.
I have a bunch of Amish and Mennonites along with some other sundry of their types in the county just north of me. I'm not inexperienced like some of the dumbasses on here. Same with some other breeds that Yankees typically tout as being good as hell.
......... Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
This is what I would respect them the most for. I am not into chanting either and I will not kill people for this country unless we are actually invaded.
Then maybe you outta get the f u k out of this country too and take some of the filthy vermin with you. The thing that you most respect them for is their cowardice? Alot of this stuff is mostly just griping about having to live around a bunch of backwards religious zealots....they stink, they are con artists, they speak German in public....blah blah blah. That's all just inconvenient stuff.
But some of it is dead serious stuff, their culture of abuse towards their families, especially women and young kids and their complete lack of responsibility to this nation. If anyone says that's what they respect most about them, then that person is no better than them.
......... Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
This is what I would respect them the most for. I am not into chanting either and I will not kill people for this country unless we are actually invaded.
Then maybe you outta get the f u k out of this country too and take some of the filthy vermin with you. The thing that you most respect them for is their cowardice? Alot of this stuff is mostly just griping about having to live around a bunch of backwards religious zealots....they stink, they are con artists, they speak German in public....blah blah blah. That's all just inconvenient stuff.
But some of it is dead serious stuff, their culture of abuse towards their families, especially women and young kids and their complete lack of responsibility to this nation. If anyone says that's what they respect most about them, then that person is no better than them.
You have a crush on kapernick too? You know the guy who is benefitting from living in the most free, most just, most prosperous country on earth too but can't stand for the national anthem?....Is that what you respect to most about him too?
You have a crush on kapernick too? You know the guy who is benefitting from living in the most free, most just, most prosperous country on earth too but can't stand for the national anthem?....Is that what you respect to most about him too?
You have a crush on kapernick too? You know the guy who is benefitting from living in the most free, most just, most prosperous country on earth too but can't stand for the national anthem?....Is that what you respect to most about him too?
Getting a bit testy are we?
You're damn right I'm testy. I love this country. If you don't, leave.
Why don't you answer the question? You a kapernick fan boy too? Or does someone need the suspenders and rotten teeth and a straw hat for you to fall for them?
You're damn right I'm testy. I love this country. If you don't, leave. Why don't you answer the question? You a kapernick fan boy too? Or does someone need the suspenders and rotten teeth and a straw hat for you to fall for them?
I am not sure who/what kapernick is. And I do love this country. I have served this country for 50 years in occupations statistically much more dangerous than soldiering and paid my taxes never receiving a penny from social programs with the exception of a retirement. I just refuse to chant a pledge or salute a flag and I darn sure am not joining a military expedition to a foreign country. Sorry, I am not leaving. I've paid my way. Have a blessed day.
I think there are a few here who see what's under those Amish horses, and project there feeling of inadequacy, by hating the driver. (Who, probably is a "better man" than they!)
Apple cart Yoder, last year middle of July. He’s set up in a Shell gas station parking out by the interstate.
Went thru about 8am, he was set up, horse tied a parking lot light pole on asphalt.
Came back by 3pm, horse still tied to lamp post on hot asphalt. No water bucket, not a lick of shade, horse covered in a haze of salt and sweating.
I gave him a ration of crap about the horse, he’s sittin on stool his sipping a cold drink under a pop up. He says oh de horsie it’s ok she stay out all day. Could count every rib on that horse. It was 6 miles back to Trenton from the interstate, so you know he also rode that horse and junk cart balls to the wall back to Trenton to go tear up that stinky wooly gash girlfriend to celebrate selling 3 quarts of honey. I feel so inadequate for chiding him for living a life I envy, treating his horse like a pos.
The Amish in Salmon Idaho would tie the horse next to a cool shady brook teeming with rainbow trout with a bale of alfalfa for horse to munch on while the Amish man’s little toe-headed children played with sounds of innocent laughter as they built a small whimsical dam in the brook.
I'm not a total hater of the Amish/Mennonites. I respect them in many ways, as they are hard workers, and pretty much believe in taking care of themselves without involving government. I do a lot of business with them, as they do with me, and as others have said, they're like other folks in that there are good ones, bad ones, and all kinds in between.
Among my many gripes about them is how they expect us, the English as they call us, to allow them to live as they choose, while we must change our habits to allow that. They have a propensity to ignore our laws if those laws do not suit their religious view about something. Most of the ones here believe that it's okay to kill as many deer as they can, regardless of the bag limit. They see no problem with trespassing, as many of them see the land as belonging to God, which while true, does not give them the right to go on someone else's land without permission.
In order to operate a motor vehicle here in Kentucky, I must first have a drivers license. I must pay to take the exam, and then pay to renew that license every 4 years. I can then buy a car, and when I do I pay sales tax on it, plus property tax every year that I own it, and I will also pay some type of transfer tax when I license it in my name. I will pay every year for a license plate for my car, and I also must have insurance on it in order to get that license plate. Some cities will tax that insurance policy. Okay, now I've got my drivers license and my car, and I'm ready to drive. That car requires gas, and that gas is taxed, both state and federal. If I buy tires, they also have a federal tax, and any other repairs or parts I buy for my car are taxed as well. You can count it up, but in order to legally drive a car, I'm going to either be taxed or have to pay a fee at least 10 times.
Meanwhile, that Amish or Mennonite that drives his horse and buggy, or tractor on the same highway, does not have a drivers license, nor insurance, or a license plate, nor do they pay any gasoline tax, or any other thing that I must pay. The taxes that I am paying are money that is used to build those roads and keep them repaired. In other words, they are using the roads pretty much free. Add to that the fact that steel horseshoes and steel wheel tractors eat up the pavement, so they are damaging the words when they use them. Most of what they use is exempt from sales tax because of the farm exemption.
I've saved by best gripe for last. They have moved into my area in large numbers, and they make up at least half of the local volunteer fire department. When we have a meeting, we always have the pledge of allegiance to the flag. We noticed that they did not say it. When asked why, they said it was because the United States is a warring nation, and they do not believe in war. Well, guess what...........wars are what have given those basturds the freedom of religion that allows them to drive those damn buggies up and down the road. Wars are what gave them the right to live in a country where they can worship as they please. Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
Hey James, It's a public road. You have the same right to ride a pony or drive a team down it as the Amish do. Buy a buggy, get one over on "the man".
Apple cart Yoder, last year middle of July. He’s set up in a Shell gas station parking out by the interstate.
Went thru about 8am, he was set up, horse tied a parking lot light pole on asphalt.
Came back by 3pm, horse still tied to lamp post on hot asphalt. No water bucket, not a lick of shade, horse covered in a haze of salt and sweating.
I gave him a ration of crap about the horse, he’s sittin on stool his sipping a cold drink under a pop up. He says oh de horsie it’s ok she stay out all day. Could count every rib on that horse. It was 6 miles back to Trenton from the interstate, so you know he also rode that horse and junk cart balls to the wall back to Trenton to go tear up that stinky wooly gash girlfriend to celebrate selling 3 quarts of honey. I feel so inadequate for chiding him for living a life I envy, treating his horse like a pos.
The Amish in Salmon Idaho would tie the horse next to a cool shady brook teeming with rainbow trout with a bale of alfalfa for horse to munch on while the Amish man’s little toe-headed children played with sounds of innocent laughter as they built a small whimsical dam in the brook.
The honey was most likely a scam. Most roadside honey is actually sugar syrup. Just boil some sugar and water add a pint of honey and a little lemon juice and you have roadside 10:1 honey.
Lieberals at work. Despicable and treacherous filth from Hell. Amish have firearms and the Constitution on their side.
Amish do not have the Constitution on their side. Constitutional protections are reserved for US citizens in good legal standing. The Amish dont fall into that category because they do not adhere to local, state, or federal laws, the most notable and obvious example being the selective service program.
Come into our country illegally, be convicted of a felony, or denounce your citizenship and those constitutional securities that protect us decent people don't apply to you.
I'm not a total hater of the Amish/Mennonites. I respect them in many ways, as they are hard workers, and pretty much believe in taking care of themselves without involving government. I do a lot of business with them, as they do with me, and as others have said, they're like other folks in that there are good ones, bad ones, and all kinds in between.
Among my many gripes about them is how they expect us, the English as they call us, to allow them to live as they choose, while we must change our habits to allow that. They have a propensity to ignore our laws if those laws do not suit their religious view about something. Most of the ones here believe that it's okay to kill as many deer as they can, regardless of the bag limit. They see no problem with trespassing, as many of them see the land as belonging to God, which while true, does not give them the right to go on someone else's land without permission.
In order to operate a motor vehicle here in Kentucky, I must first have a drivers license. I must pay to take the exam, and then pay to renew that license every 4 years. I can then buy a car, and when I do I pay sales tax on it, plus property tax every year that I own it, and I will also pay some type of transfer tax when I license it in my name. I will pay every year for a license plate for my car, and I also must have insurance on it in order to get that license plate. Some cities will tax that insurance policy. Okay, now I've got my drivers license and my car, and I'm ready to drive. That car requires gas, and that gas is taxed, both state and federal. If I buy tires, they also have a federal tax, and any other repairs or parts I buy for my car are taxed as well. You can count it up, but in order to legally drive a car, I'm going to either be taxed or have to pay a fee at least 10 times.
Meanwhile, that Amish or Mennonite that drives his horse and buggy, or tractor on the same highway, does not have a drivers license, nor insurance, or a license plate, nor do they pay any gasoline tax, or any other thing that I must pay. The taxes that I am paying are money that is used to build those roads and keep them repaired. In other words, they are using the roads pretty much free. Add to that the fact that steel horseshoes and steel wheel tractors eat up the pavement, so they are damaging the words when they use them. Most of what they use is exempt from sales tax because of the farm exemption.
I've saved by best gripe for last. They have moved into my area in large numbers, and they make up at least half of the local volunteer fire department. When we have a meeting, we always have the pledge of allegiance to the flag. We noticed that they did not say it. When asked why, they said it was because the United States is a warring nation, and they do not believe in war. Well, guess what...........wars are what have given those basturds the freedom of religion that allows them to drive those damn buggies up and down the road. Wars are what gave them the right to live in a country where they can worship as they please. Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
Hey James, It's a public road. You have the same right to ride a pony or drive a team down it as the Amish do. Buy a buggy, get one over on "the man".
Just like my internet friend Birdy....................he gets over on the man riding that bicycle all around the US of A. Prolly don't have no license for it or himself.
I used to live near Lancaster, Pa. in Hanover. We would laugh at the idiot tourists whom actually bought stuff off the Amish at markets, roadside, etc. 99% of that stuff is not "Amish Made" at all. Levi and Amos had it delivered UPS scraped off made in China and doubled the price. Also funny was Jack a local whom was retired from the USPS after 35 years got bored so on weekends he would put on some homespun bib overalls a straw hat and he grew a little whiskers on his chin. Called himself Levi Stolfutz and charged people for buggy rides around the countryside. After a full day of fleecing tourist he would stop by the Brown Jug for a few beers and was free with his money. The drunker we all got the more we laughed at his stories about the questions he'd get from dumb tourists whom actually believe every Amish family works the soil for a meager living.
I'm not a total hater of the Amish/Mennonites. I respect them in many ways, as they are hard workers, and pretty much believe in taking care of themselves without involving government. I do a lot of business with them, as they do with me, and as others have said, they're like other folks in that there are good ones, bad ones, and all kinds in between.
Among my many gripes about them is how they expect us, the English as they call us, to allow them to live as they choose, while we must change our habits to allow that. They have a propensity to ignore our laws if those laws do not suit their religious view about something. Most of the ones here believe that it's okay to kill as many deer as they can, regardless of the bag limit. They see no problem with trespassing, as many of them see the land as belonging to God, which while true, does not give them the right to go on someone else's land without permission.
In order to operate a motor vehicle here in Kentucky, I must first have a drivers license. I must pay to take the exam, and then pay to renew that license every 4 years. I can then buy a car, and when I do I pay sales tax on it, plus property tax every year that I own it, and I will also pay some type of transfer tax when I license it in my name. I will pay every year for a license plate for my car, and I also must have insurance on it in order to get that license plate. Some cities will tax that insurance policy. Okay, now I've got my drivers license and my car, and I'm ready to drive. That car requires gas, and that gas is taxed, both state and federal. If I buy tires, they also have a federal tax, and any other repairs or parts I buy for my car are taxed as well. You can count it up, but in order to legally drive a car, I'm going to either be taxed or have to pay a fee at least 10 times.
Meanwhile, that Amish or Mennonite that drives his horse and buggy, or tractor on the same highway, does not have a drivers license, nor insurance, or a license plate, nor do they pay any gasoline tax, or any other thing that I must pay. The taxes that I am paying are money that is used to build those roads and keep them repaired. In other words, they are using the roads pretty much free. Add to that the fact that steel horseshoes and steel wheel tractors eat up the pavement, so they are damaging the words when they use them. Most of what they use is exempt from sales tax because of the farm exemption.
I've saved by best gripe for last. They have moved into my area in large numbers, and they make up at least half of the local volunteer fire department. When we have a meeting, we always have the pledge of allegiance to the flag. We noticed that they did not say it. When asked why, they said it was because the United States is a warring nation, and they do not believe in war. Well, guess what...........wars are what have given those basturds the freedom of religion that allows them to drive those damn buggies up and down the road. Wars are what gave them the right to live in a country where they can worship as they please. Wars are what gave them the right to be exempted from many things, including not having to serve in the military that fights those wars. In other words, they don't like what this nation does, but they sure as heck don't mind living here and getting wealthy as a result of what it has to offer. That is about as pitiful a thing as I can think of. If they don't want to fight in time of war, they should be made to do something to support the effort, not be allowed to sit on their azz when the pledge of allegiance is said.
Hey James, It's a public road. You have the same right to ride a pony or drive a team down it as the Amish do. Buy a buggy, get one over on "the man".
Cept they don’t buy license plates, and don’t buy a wheel tax sticker either.
Dumping horse shît every 1/2 mile is fringe benefit
Lieberals at work. Despicable and treacherous filth from Hell. Amish have firearms and the Constitution on their side.
Amish do not have the Constitution on their side. Constitutional protections are reserved for US citizens in good legal standing. The Amish dont fall into that category because they do not adhere to local, state, or federal laws, the most notable and obvious example being the selective service program. Come into our country illegally, be convicted of a felony, or denounce your citizenship and those constitutional securities that protect us decent people don't apply to you.
Nathan: Sir, you are obviously in pain over the Amish. What's up?
See views like that in real life living around here. Almost post card type scenes.
Also shows how easily an entire family of them drown crossing a swollen creek in one of those buggies. Or get plastered by a Fed-Ex truck. Unfortunately.
Lieberals at work. Despicable and treacherous filth from Hell. Amish have firearms and the Constitution on their side.
Amish do not have the Constitution on their side. Constitutional protections are reserved for US citizens in good legal standing. The Amish dont fall into that category because they do not adhere to local, state, or federal laws, the most notable and obvious example being the selective service program. Come into our country illegally, be convicted of a felony, or denounce your citizenship and those constitutional securities that protect us decent people don't apply to you.
Nathan: Sir, you are obviously in pain over the Amish. What's up?
I'll tell you what's up. I despise criminals, freeloaders, leeches, and con artists. And I'm sickened by the people who blindly stick up for them. You've basically admitted to being an anti America coward yourself. So you fall in the same category.
If those Amish parasites happened to be from central America and spoke Spanish , 90 percent of you Amish lovers would instantly hate them. That's a fact. Same crimes , different [bleep]
The only thing that has been displayed here is that the local Amish seem to be doing better than some, they own more land, their families happily work together and they appear to be more content than most...and some of you have a problem with that............
And many of the people commenting here have, in all likelihood, never seen a real live Amish person, let alone lived amongst them.
Lots of situations like that. I was one of them, with my highly refined sense of justice and equality and feelings of superiority over those cruel bigots in the South.
Then I moved to the South and lived there for a good number of years. My Yankee notions did not survive the encounter with reality.
If those Amish parasites happened to be from central America and spoke Spanish , 90 percent of you Amish lovers would instantly hate them. That's a fact. Same crimes , different [bleep]
Nathan: Sir, you are obviously in pain over the Amish. What's up?
I'll tell you what's up. I despise criminals, freeloaders, leeches, and con artists. And I'm sickened by the people who blindly stick up for them. You've basically admitted to being an anti America coward yourself. So you fall in the same category.
OK, there is way more involved in this antipathy but we'll not find out what it is. I wish you happiness and peace.
We have a pickle wrapped in lunchmeat thread. It’s pretty safe.
lol
Really?
Down on the Food Channel forum?
I missed it somewhere.
I personally like a piece of string cheese wrapped in some good ham (country or city ham, matters not) with some horseradish mustard on it. Pickle on the side.
Do you know where I can send for a jar of Kentucky Amish pickles? They might have to take the buggy to the PO to ship it to me, I hear the roads are a bit short on horse poo coating. It protects them from the UV light you know. Those folks are actually doing the county road crews a service. And it's all "organic" too, so the greenies are happy.
My wife's dad had family and friends that lived around a Amish community in central eastern Indiana.
When visiting them one summer Saturday evening several years ago we were all sitting out on the front porch talking and watching some young Amish men and women ride by in horse and buggies. We were told that young Amish folks "courted" by attending church services together on Saturday evenings.
I made some Courier & Ives / Norman Rockwell type comment comparing them versus typical wild, sex partying, modern-day "English" youths but was quickly informed by the family we were visiting that that was a common misconception that most had but after living among the Amish for most of their adult lives they knew better and that every bit as many Amish girls are already pregnant when they marry as non Amish.
My only gripe with them is that its hard to compete with slave labor.
Very hard indeed.
You could compete if you wanted. I've seen the pics, you have a coupla slaves of your own, you just treat them nicer.
I'm sure glad my old man didn't have a farm growing up, I'd have been worn out by the time I reached adulthood. Wash the windows, mow the lawn, wash the car, dig the garden, put up them tools...........................And he was just a Catholic, not Amish.
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
Regarding the original post, I can understand outlawing of outhouses in some areas.
1 Population density may preclude it.
2. Soil and rock and ground conditions may make it ill-advised. For instance, when I lived in NW Arkansas, I read up on ground water contamination. The soil was such that it would not hold on to and allow to mellow the effluvia. And the aquifer was such that the nasty poo microbes would not break down. Folks with outhouses were, in effect, drinking their own raw sewage from their wells. And their neighbors who went to the trouble of a working septic system got to imbibe the same polluted water from ground wells. Not cool.
3. County level is the best place to manage this. The lowest level of gov't in a rural area, who ought to know local conditions and if they are outhouse-friendly.
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
And many of the people commenting here have, in all likelihood, never seen a real live Amish person, let alone lived amongst them.
Lots of situations like that. I was one of them, with my highly refined sense of justice and equality and feelings of superiority over those cruel bigots in the South.
Then I moved to the South and lived there for a good number of years. My Yankee notions did not survive the encounter with reality.
Nathan: Sir, you are obviously in pain over the Amish. What's up?
I'll tell you what's up. I despise criminals, freeloaders, leeches, and con artists. And I'm sickened by the people who blindly stick up for them. You've basically admitted to being an anti America coward yourself. So you fall in the same category.
Nathan voted for Hillary last time but is leaning toward Bernie.
Big gov’t or bust; bend the knee or hit the road.
I’ve always thought that the Amish were just like other groups of people. There are fine and decent ones, and then there are those like Nathan amongst them. They’re not holier nor are they more evil than the general population.
Be that as it may, their ability to live in religious freedom is a bellwether for the rest of us. A govt big enough to take away their rights can and will do the same to anyone who, unlike Nathan, refuse to concede that they are owned by DC.
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
Thanks for sharing. Many of us know stories like this, but the Campfire contingent only wants to hear stuff about Constitution-loving bearded heroes nobly defying the government by shixting outdoors and fu cking over folks not in their tribe.
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
Is that kinda like the sick perverts who fondle kids in the nursery of churches all over?
You know, it happens in one so it’s true of all?
Or maybe messed up people do messed up stuff that can’t necessarily be attributed to their group at large?
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
Thanks for sharing. Many of us know stories like this, but the Campfire contingent only wants to hear stuff about Constitution-loving bearded heroes nobly defying the government by shixting outdoors and fu cking over folks not in their tribe.
I totally believe that this happened and would be as upset as Hector but are you saying that if I don’t want to run them all over that means I think they’re all saints?
There is a middle ground dont ya think? Like that they’re just like us... evil, moral, ethical, hypocritical, salt of the earth, all of the above?
EthanEdwards I shared this personal bit of truth because after reading along for several pages I could hardly believe so many ignorant posters have a totally illogical view of those people in straw hats. Are there good hard working Amish ,yes I am sure there are according to my DIL her parents loved their children work hard for the family and help neighbors and family out without being asked. BUT one needs to know what we non Amish people do not understand is there is a strict regiment that is to be followed within the clan. That varies some from clan to clan but always the BISHOP and ELDERS make the rules of the clan. Whom BTW can chose to follow their own rules or not but enforce them strictly on all other members of their clan. Why do so many small farmers dislike the Amish...cause all an Amish family needs to do is make enough money to get by. While the English must make a comfortable living.
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
EthanEdwards I shared this personal bit of truth because after reading along for several pages I could hardly believe so many ignorant posters have a totally illogical view of those people in straw hats. Are there good hard working Amish ,yes I am sure there are according to my DIL her parents loved their children work hard for the family and help neighbors and family out without being asked. BUT one needs to know what we non Amish people do not understand is there is a strict regiment that is to be followed within the clan. That varies some from clan to clan but always the BISHOP and ELDERS make the rules of the clan. Whom BTW can chose to follow their own rules or not but enforce them strictly on all other members of their clan. Why do so many small farmers dislike the Amish...cause all an Amish family needs to do is make enough money to get by. While the English must make a comfortable living.
Lieberals at work. Despicable and treacherous filth from Hell. Amish have firearms and the Constitution on their side.
Amish do not have the Constitution on their side. Constitutional protections are reserved for US citizens in good legal standing. The Amish dont fall into that category because they do not adhere to local, state, or federal laws, the most notable and obvious example being the selective service program.
Come into our country illegally, be convicted of a felony, or denounce your citizenship and those constitutional securities that protect us decent people don't apply to you.
Wrong. Nowhere in the first 10 Amendments of the Constitution is the word "citizen" to be found. What you would typically find, were you to read it and it appears you have not, is "The right of the people....". That means every person who stands on American soil, regardless of how they got here, is protected by the Constitution. You may not like it, but that is the way it is. The Bill of Rights protects everyone, including undocumented immigrants, to exercise free speech, religion, assembly, and to be free from unlawful government interference. Undocumented immigrants charged with a criminal offense have the same due process protections as everyone else, the right to a speedy and public trial by jury, the right against unlawful searches and seizures, and the right to an attorney among others. Status as a non-citizen in no way affects the procedure of a criminal trial, such as the burden of proof that the State must meet, or the presumption of innocence.
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
It’s pretty bad I admit.
Do you know any Masons?
Might be some around here.
5th degree or some such maybe.
Black belts too.
I think there's still some IOOF folks too.
Geno
definitely some odd fellers on here
Chillin in their Ted Kucsinki shacks, harvesting free innernek of the ionosphere.
EthanEdwards I shared this personal bit of truth because after reading along for several pages I could hardly believe so many ignorant posters have a totally illogical view of those people in straw hats. Are there good hard working Amish ,yes I am sure there are according to my DIL her parents loved their children work hard for the family and help neighbors and family out without being asked. BUT one needs to know what we non Amish people do not understand is there is a strict regiment that is to be followed within the clan. That varies some from clan to clan but always the BISHOP and ELDERS make the rules of the clan. Whom BTW can chose to follow their own rules or not but enforce them strictly on all other members of their clan. Why do so many small farmers dislike the Amish...cause all an Amish family needs to do is make enough money to get by. While the English must make a comfortable living.
I have hesitated about writing this, because of what the reaction of the naysayers will be, but here goes.....................
I am friends with several of the New Order Amish, the ones that drive the fast tractors on the roads, one of the more modern groups of Amish/Mennonites. One of them is my farrier, and we have had some good discussions about what they believe. His group does not vote, as they believe in staying out of what they see as confrontations. He told me that some people have compared them to communists because of what they believe, and that they are socialists in that they do not believe it is fair for one person to have more than another. He says that leads to someone thinking they are better than someone else, and flaunting their wealth. When they have people in their church that do that, the Bishops and Deacons will pay that person a visit and have a talk with them. In extreme measures, a person can be kicked out of the church because of it. Also, if a person is having trouble with their business, the church will appoint members to step in and take over the business and try to make it solvent again. I know of several cases myself where that has happened.
I have some Mennonite neighbors who are registered to vote, and do so. They are Democrats, and vote that way. I have asked them why, and they told me that the Democrats believed more along the same lines as they do. When I asked about abortion, and if they believed in aborting babies, they did not answer, and instead pointed out that the Republicans believed in war and the Democrats did not.
So, politically, they are more in line with the Democrats, yet their supporters here continue to tell us how wonderful they are.
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
Damn, I grew up Amish and did not even know it. Well, except for the preacher screwing my Mom part. At least as far as I know.
First the government mandated toilets that won't hardly flush anything down and now they want to force everyone to have them. Sounds like democrats. Force people to buy health insurance that doesn't cover anything. Force expensive building permits and inspections but they have no liability if they sign off on something they shouldn't.
see those cute little Amish girls, let me tell you what happens to them when they marry and can not get prego. If after 1 year she doesn't have a bun in the oven her husband goes to his Bishop asks for release from his marriage contract. The Bishop asks if the husband really tried to get his wife in a family way. When he answers yes ( at least 2 times every week every month) THEN THE BISHOP VISITS THE WOMAN WITH THE HUSBANDS BLESSING 2 times a week for 6 months or until she is knocked up. If after 6 months she has not got a belly full of the BISHOP'S kid he grants an Amish divorce and the woman goes back to her parents house to live unmarried the rest of her life or can leave the Amish all together. That is fact! Check it out yourself. See those little boys? they are going to work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week until the old man gets them a job at 16 years of age THEN that cute little blonde boy must turn EVERY penny over to the old man as long as he is unmarried and living in his old man's home. THAT is fact! Check it out yourself. How do I know this is fact? My son married an Amish girl whom left her family 'cause her husband wanted kids and she had female issues that the BISHOP would not allow her to get medical care for. Nor would she fugg the BISHOP to try and get knocked up. Since leaving her family she got medical care and I have 3 great wonderful grandchildren whom though invited too often to count have not see their mother's parents to this day! If I ever see those kock suckers on the road I'll run their buggy over with my semi. AND THAT TOO IS A FACT!!!!
Thanks for sharing. Many of us know stories like this, but the Campfire contingent only wants to hear stuff about Constitution-loving bearded heroes nobly defying the government by shixting outdoors and fu cking over folks not in their tribe.
I totally believe that this happened and would be as upset as Hector but are you saying that if I don’t want to run them all over that means I think they’re all saints?
There is a middle ground dont ya think? Like that they’re just like us... evil, moral, ethical, hypocritical, salt of the earth, all of the above?
You're a good guy efw, so no offense intended. A lot of folks only see the bucolic, old timers out working hard and selling their wares to tourist types. IME the truth is closer to many of the negative things posted. You haven't heard of me calling for killing them or anything. To most folks, they are a non-issue because they don't live around them. They are pretty much a non-issue for me other than a bother when I go north to a town that is fair-sized to do business-as I stated earlier, the next county up from my own. Now that my kids have gotten past the age to play them, the only thing I have to do is listen to my wife, a teacher and coach, bitch about them. I know a few things and have heard of others from trusted sources. No doubt there are some good ones. I've known a couple. But by and large they fit the negative image posted here more than the positive one-as a group.
I despise big government more than the Amish/Mennonites/German Baptists, et al. I also don't like a tiered system of justice, which is what we're currently living under. Does it piss me off more that Biden is guilty of all sorts of corruption than some Mennonite selling tomatoes he bought from the hated "English" as homegrown when they actually came in from Mexico? Certainly. Another thing is that these types will usually see you as an outsider as fair game whereas they might treat one of their own clan better. Then again, see Hector's post for the Amish version of "better".
EthanEdwards I shared this personal bit of truth because after reading along for several pages I could hardly believe so many ignorant posters have a totally illogical view of those people in straw hats. Are there good hard working Amish ,yes I am sure there are according to my DIL her parents loved their children work hard for the family and help neighbors and family out without being asked. BUT one needs to know what we non Amish people do not understand is there is a strict regiment that is to be followed within the clan. That varies some from clan to clan but always the BISHOP and ELDERS make the rules of the clan. Whom BTW can chose to follow their own rules or not but enforce them strictly on all other members of their clan. Why do so many small farmers dislike the Amish...cause all an Amish family needs to do is make enough money to get by. While the English must make a comfortable living.
i enjoyed reading what you posted
I got on XNXX
Typed in Amish
I enjoyed it also!!!
LOL!!!
Gonna try Mormon tommorow!!!
Hahahaha!!!
Just remember, ya gots to lick it before ya stick it...
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
It’s pretty bad I admit.
Do you know any Masons?
Might be some around here.
5th degree or some such maybe.
Black belts too.
I think there's still some IOOF folks too.
Geno
definitely some odd fellers on here
Chillin in their Ted Kucsinki shacks, harvesting free innernek of the ionosphere.
More mainly just the usual suspects spouting off about the innocence and righteousness of some group that they have no experience of and have seen on the teevee. lol
Burn everyone that doesn't think exactly the way we want them to think.
You all wipe your ass the same direction.
Think all they want...It’s when they decide they know best for a community or State after fleeing one that is overcome in taxes, people, filth, high crime, etc...And they want to make their new home just like it. Nah, I’m good without their help. But, I will light the fires. 😎
I dont have any problem with making the Amish pay taxes etc.. but calling them the names and degrading them like you are in here is nothing but disgusting.
It’s pretty bad I admit.
Do you know any Masons?
Might be some around here.
5th degree or some such maybe.
Black belts too.
I think there's still some IOOF folks too.
Geno
definitely some odd fellers on here
Chillin in their Ted Kucsinki shacks, harvesting free innernek of the ionosphere.
More mainly just the usual suspects spouting off about the innocence and righteousness of some group that they have no experience of and have seen on the teevee. lol
EthanEdwards I shared this personal bit of truth because after reading along for several pages I could hardly believe so many ignorant posters have a totally illogical view of those people in straw hats. Are there good hard working Amish ,yes I am sure there are according to my DIL her parents loved their children work hard for the family and help neighbors and family out without being asked. BUT one needs to know what we non Amish people do not understand is there is a strict regiment that is to be followed within the clan. That varies some from clan to clan but always the BISHOP and ELDERS make the rules of the clan. Whom BTW can chose to follow their own rules or not but enforce them strictly on all other members of their clan. Why do so many small farmers dislike the Amish...cause all an Amish family needs to do is make enough money to get by. While the English must make a comfortable living.
The teevee... I've lived around several Amish communities here in MI.
I've never had an issue with them personally. I have the Amish process my deer for me. The charge $45 and do a better job than any "english man I've ever paid. I normally do them myself these days but for $45 it's worth it to me. I can use the time saved to chase more deer or fish.
I do know people that have had problems with them trespassing. They definitely can fish out a lake. Some of them might be poachers..
But now let me tell you about the guys that aren't amish that go ice fishing and take home a limit in the morning and then a limit that evening, day after day..
There's scumbags in every race, religion, group, what have you..
Like I said.. it might be bullshit that they don't have to pay taxes but hate is unnecessary.
You paint with a wide brush forgetting you got the paint spilled all down the front of you.
The teevee... I've lived around several Amish communities here in MI.
I've never had an issue with them personally. I have the Amish process my deer for me. The charge $45 and do a better job than any "english man I've ever paid. I normally do them myself these days but for $45 it's worth it to me. I can use the time saved to chase more deer or fish.
I do know people that have had problems with them trespassing. They definitely can fish out a lake. Some of them might be poachers..
But now let me tell you about the guys that aren't amish that go ice fishing and take home a limit in the morning and then a limit that evening, day after day..
There's scumbags in every race, religion, group, what have you..
Like I said.. it might be bullshit that they don't have to pay taxes but hate is unnecessary.
You paint with a wide brush forgetting you got the paint spilled all down the front of you.
Okay, thanks for your input. You're dismissed to go back to f u c k ing your pet donkey now. lol
The teevee... I've lived around several Amish communities here in MI.
I've never had an issue with them personally. I have the Amish process my deer for me. The charge $45 and do a better job than any "english man I've ever paid. I normally do them myself these days but for $45 it's worth it to me. I can use the time saved to chase more deer or fish.
I do know people that have had problems with them trespassing. They definitely can fish out a lake. Some of them might be poachers..
But now let me tell you about the guys that aren't amish that go ice fishing and take home a limit in the morning and then a limit that evening, day after day..
There's scumbags in every race, religion, group, what have you..
Like I said.. it might be bullshit that they don't have to pay taxes but hate is unnecessary.
You paint with a wide brush forgetting you got the paint spilled all down the front of you.
Okay, thanks for your input. You're dismissed to go back to f u c k ing your pet donkey now. lol
Go back to f u c k i n g your sister you dumb redneck F U C K. But go slow so your last toof don't fall out.
I'm sort of thinking that the Amish crime centers can be put on the back burner while we deal with the Moslem/Somali, the Indian Reservations, and the ghettos in the urban centers. Not to mention thieving white meth-headed trash. That is where the drag on our treasury is. I know the Indians somewhat have the right to self government but they don't stay on the rez always. The Amish I'm sure have their faults but they aren't seeming to cost us much. As to the game and fish violations, where are your game wardens? I always targeted serious violators and usually once I got after one I caught him.
Most of what I have read in this thread reminds me of the article's of impeachment. Total 100% bullshit! James Jr. You must have been spanked by a lady with a scarf on her head when you were little for showing your talleywatcker to other little boys to have so much hate for a great bunch of people. And I have lived among the Mennonites for years. Compare them to any other group and they shine.
If other folks don't look, think, believe just like me they must be degraded and defamed. This seems to be the new CF Mantra. Some folks need to learn that the horizon extends beyond their front porch. Some pretty competent outdoorsmen on this site that live in places as obscene as California and New York. They must be gay joos of the wrong color/ religion.
The teevee... I've lived around several Amish communities here in MI.
I've never had an issue with them personally. I have the Amish process my deer for me. The charge $45 and do a better job than any "english man I've ever paid. I normally do them myself these days but for $45 it's worth it to me. I can use the time saved to chase more deer or fish.
I do know people that have had problems with them trespassing. They definitely can fish out a lake. Some of them might be poachers..
But now let me tell you about the guys that aren't amish that go ice fishing and take home a limit in the morning and then a limit that evening, day after day..
There's scumbags in every race, religion, group, what have you..
Like I said.. it might be bullshit that they don't have to pay taxes but hate is unnecessary.
You paint with a wide brush forgetting you got the paint spilled all down the front of you.
Okay, thanks for your input. You're dismissed to go back to f u c k ing your pet donkey now. lol
Go back to f u c k i n g your sister you dumb redneck F U C K. But go slow so your last toof don't fall out.
Now, now, settle down there Spanky before you blow an ass gasket.
If other folks don't look, think, believe just like me they must be degraded and defamed. This seems to be the new CF Mantra. Some folks need to learn that the horizon extends beyond their front porch. They must be gay joos of the wrong color/ religion.
JamesJr... the only guy I know who lives by the black ghetto, but yet so rural the amish have horse [bleep] on his road..
Make up your mind man, you can only be mad at one made up thing a day you old bitty....
Lotta Mennonites and Amish around me. Mennonites built my barn, did a damn fine job. Amish keep to themselves, but they do butcher lot of people deer for cheap. I dont use them but heard its hard to get in touch with them, for obvious reasons.
Lot mad people on this forum, cracks me up.
There he is again. That stupid chkunt who contributes nothing.
Never anything positive or informational. Never. EVER.
Going down for the night but this has been a fun forum. Really enjoyed it. I knew Nathan wouldn't back down. My wife thinks I can bring out the worst in people. She also accuses me of pushing people that are a half a bubble off completely off their rocker. But I do sincerely believe Amish types are not a huge problem. Now maybe we can get a Wayne LaPierre discussion going.
I have some PA Dutch friends from Lancaster County that turned me on to sweet bologna years ago. That, farmer's cheese and cornbread made with roasted cornmeal is some good schitt.
They gave me the recipe for the sweet bologna. I haven't tried it yet. It's a pretty simple process. It's basically 30# of ground beef and sugar cure. Stuff it into cloth sausage sacks and let it cure with a day of cold smoking sometime before it's ready. I plan on mixing in some moose meat with it to see how it turns out. I just need to get a meat mixer first.
Seem to be a lot of whiners who are jealour of the Amish for some reason. "Whah, whah, they work harder than I do...and they're different. Horrors." And by the way, they do pay taxes and the law has recognized religious conscientious objectors since the draft was invented. So what's it to ya'?
A semi-hijack of my thread, no? What right does the state have to tell people they must have modern conveniences if they don't want them? Both my mother and father--though not Amish--grew up in houses without indoor plumbing. My father went to a 1-room school from grades 1 through 8 and didn't have eledctricity until he was in high school.
Lieberals at work. Despicable and treacherous filth from Hell. Amish have firearms and the Constitution on their side.
Amish do not have the Constitution on their side. Constitutional protections are reserved for US citizens in good legal standing. The Amish dont fall into that category because they do not adhere to local, state, or federal laws, the most notable and obvious example being the selective service program.
Come into our country illegally, be convicted of a felony, or denounce your citizenship and those constitutional securities that protect us decent people don't apply to you.
Wrong. Nowhere in the first 10 Amendments of the Constitution is the word "citizen" to be found. What you would typically find, were you to read it and it appears you have not, is "The right of the people....". That means every person who stands on American soil, regardless of how they got here, is protected by the Constitution. You may not like it, but that is the way it is. The Bill of Rights protects everyone, including undocumented immigrants, to exercise free speech, religion, assembly, and to be free from unlawful government interference. Undocumented immigrants charged with a criminal offense have the same due process protections as everyone else, the right to a speedy and public trial by jury, the right against unlawful searches and seizures, and the right to an attorney among others. Status as a non-citizen in no way affects the procedure of a criminal trial, such as the burden of proof that the State must meet, or the presumption of innocence.
In the interests of historical accuracy....
1. "Citizen" is found in the body of the COTUS about 11 times, IIRC. Count 'em: http://constitutionus.com/
2. The Constitution was for those living in the USA and their posterity. Says so right in the document.: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." http://constitutionus.com/
I don't see anything about securing the blessings of liberty for immivaders, strangers, or Somali refugees that happen to set foot on American dirt.
3. One of the first acts of congress, the Naturalization Act of 1790, enacted in the spirit of the COTUS, allowed naturalizing only "free white persons." http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226 Follow on acts extended the period of residency to become naturalized from 2 to 10 then 14 years.
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