for "brush" guns i like 33 and up. my favorite is one of my stubby barreled marlin 35's with 200 CL's. decades ago my dad shot a little spike and when we went up to it, we saw that he had shot right through about a 3" tree that he hadn't seen. deer was DRT. not a recommended use, but because it hit the tree dead center it drilled right through and didn't deflect.
