To follow up, The 11-gn black tipped TAC-TX work very well in a 30-30 contender pistol. Ive taken 3 deer with them to date. two DRTs and one ~30 yard run. Very fast but controlled expansion. Nice wound channel but no excess loss of meat. I've seen results of people shooting the 120gn version into media at ~2700fps with full weight retention but stretched areas on some pedals.