Too bad Allen no longer posts here, but neither posts above reflect my experiences with him. I don't have, nor would I own an Echols rifle (or afford), and Allen does like is Partitions and A Frames, but he did shoot and experiment with a lot of other bullets & rifles. Opinions are based on experiences and he does indeed have a lot of that, so when he spoke I listened, and he never steered me wrong. He is a good friend but we didn't agree on everything. jorge
