Not that it matters any, but one of the first mossjunks that i laid my hands on was broken! When you "closed the bold" the lugs did not enguage and you could remove the bold from battery by simply pulling it back. I guess these crap boxes are press fit. Granted it was a gunsmith who showed me this rifle, but the owner found out the hard way. Was not hurt fortunately. This is nothing like the remington deal. On a Remington, the only way someone would get hurt is if the 10 commandments of gun handling were not being followed and some moron pointed the gun at someone. With the mossy, safe use could mess you up bad! I hope they dont loose thier butt, but i do wish they would pull this piece of crap from the market.