Originally Posted by derby_dude
Originally Posted by KFWA
Originally Posted by EvilTwin
KFWA, the middle east has NEVER in all history been "stable". From Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib to today it has been horror after horror. We have been at war with some nitwit over there since the Barbary Pirates. Islam has been the worst single aggravating factor there has ever been. The warof annihilation and survival has already begun, the question is "does the West have what it takes to win?" Stopping the "multi-culturalism" crap would be a start. To win we need to be more merciless and remorseless than they ever dreamed of being.


we're not going to do that so what's the solution?

This is guerilla warfare where the farmer waving at you when you pass shoots you in the back. There is no unity or uniform, no central organization, no code or value system we can adhere to in facing these people. They create reasons to declare jihad, twist their bible and religion to suit their purpose -

When facing a superior force, they'll scatter into the wind only to re-emerge with another name, another location, another set of leadership, another cause to motivate their followers down the road.


You've hit the nail squarely on the head.

There is no state, there is no government. These groups are amorphous, there is no solid state. Fighting an amorphous state is not possible for a modern state.


its quicksand

We crippled Al Qaeda - targeted their leadership - the life expectancy of the 3rd man out in the field in charge was about 2 weeks and another group now, more vicious, better organized, better funded has risen up to take their place.

Once we get stuck in that quagmire, another hotspot in the world will pop up.

We aren't going to win this "war" fighting skirmishes with factions.


have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings