Eddy Bo (former poster here that passed away) built my hunting partners 9 year old an 8 twist 22-250 a month before he passed. My hunting partner and his son killed 11 deer with it using 55 grain hornady soft points. 10 never took a step. 1 took one right in the guts, by the 9year old. It ran 40 yards laid down and died in less than five minutes. I helped clean all of them and I'd take that 22-250 and never look back. Eddy Bo built me a 223 AI at the same time and if he hadn't my toddler would be shooting a 22-250 his first several years. No flies on the 308 as I've killed a pile of deer with a couple, but there just deer