Originally Posted by 16bore
Originally Posted by Blackheart
last I checked there was a HUGE DEMAND for guns. Perhaps If I'd have said "a mans got to make a living and deserves to if he's good at what he does and works hard in an industry with high demand for it's products" it would have satisfied your dumb azz and kept you from asking stupid questions ?


Demand goes up, price should do the same. But what we have is demand for schit. Obviously it aint hard to assemble guns. Tolerances are so tight with machinery that there is likely little actual smith work. Look at what Kimber did to the 1911. Used to be you paid $600 for a stock pistol and another $1,000 to make it worth a hoot. Now you get bells and whistles off the rack. It aint 1950 at Winchester anymore. And those rifles are still hard to beat.

A rifle that shoots MOA is no magical feat anymore and its the "seller" of a $400 rifle.

Boy are you ever off base about the precision of machinery and lack of need for hand fitting. I hear that all the time and it's pure bunk. Sure you can make a sloppily fit/built thing without much smithing but you'd be surprised at how much hand work still goes into a well built factory piece. The thing is, unless you know exactly what to look for, you won't even be able to tell where hand fitting has been done if it's been done well. You also need to keep in mind that all fitting work is done before polishing/finishing and most all evidence will be removed. Polishing/blending alone takes quite a bit of skill and experience to get really good at it. If your high water benchmark for quality is kimber 1911's you really don't know how to judge.