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"we have no business striking Syria to begin with....."

Agreed! You know that...and I know that...as well as the majority of folks on this board whom have intellect enough to understand the seriousness of this situation, however it's quite apparent that our 'masters' in the US Congress don't have a scintilla of a clue as to where this could be headed!! As far as my question not being relevant I think it is highly so for I trust Putin to honor his word much moreso than that of Obama!! For years on end it has been the effort of the US government to live in peace with the Russian people....to 'befriend' them as the saying goes and in times past we have seen improvements in relations between the two countries made at certain times. We began to see this under their leadership of Mikhail Gorbachev with a softening of rhetoric betwix our countries. Now...the IDIOT that sits in the White House, for all practical purposes has taken a big dump on what could be called a 'silent pact' between our countries to have an agreement of 'live and let live'!! In effect Obama is doing a damn great job of letting his alligator mouth overload his hummingbird azz and in the process making the USA into an aggressor nation!!

You stuck your head in that egg and the lid fell on you, didn't it?

Well said Bob! Agree to disagree.

I've been watching the Syria situation closely over the past couple weeks having spent last summer in Jordan (2012) and even e-mailed my Congressman and Senators with my opinion. This is really about more than just using chemical weapons on children though. It's about leverage. Obama has proven time and again he is no friend to Israel. A true politian, he is telling the world, "Assad is bad. I support my allies", while at the same time he knows by sending it through Congress for vote it is win-win for him. When the Senate (I am hoping) votes the measure down, Obama has essentially given Israel a GFY, which I really think was his intent all along. If, God help us, they vote for this so called limited action, the whole world is screwed.

Brush up on your Mandarin boys, cause with our current debt problems within our borders, our new national language with be that or Russian. What funds we do have now, will go to supporting generations of Syrians. I am by no means a pacificist, but this is a volitile situation that is a lose lose for Americans no matter how you cut it.

I also have to agree with the

"Travis in 2016" declaration above, but 2014 is an election year too, isn't it? Why wait?

The Jews shoulda let Jesus off with a written reprimand. That would have made the Bible a short book.
Of COURSE it was God's Plan. It was supposed to happen.

I get it that you believe there is a moral imperative for the U.S. to do SOMETHING in response to the reported use of CW in Syria by SOMEBODY.

There is at least a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the Assad regime for the latest attack.

Did the likely effectiveness of the response, and appropriateness of the target enter your thinking in arriving at your position?

Or do you subscribe to "Do what appears right and leave the result up to fate, God, or Karma?

You are usually a stickler for "evidence", but you seem to be operating more on emotion in this instance.

Just a little puzzling even though it actually is none of my business.

No offense taken amigo. You know full well that I welcome you to speak your mind with me. I respect your character.

Trust me, I'll be happy to get out of this industry. Actually I'm unemployed at the moment and looking at more stable commercial work if I can find it.

I replied to his question in context to the discussion that he and I were having on here. In the scope of that context I still find it irrelevant.

In the more broad scope of things that are possible to happen if Obama continues in the direction he's taking us then I'd agree that it's a very relevant question but outside of the scope of the conversation we were having at the time.

I try to remain in the world of reality and that is why I maintain that we don't belong in Syria.

My friend Bob, makes a very good argument based more in emotion than reality. Emotionally I stand with him. Chemical weapons are a scourge and ought to be routed wherever they are found. The reality is that they have been a part of the battle field since the dawn of warfare. They have always been here and they always will be. It's a grotesque reality.

If we had a leadership that we could trust to make a honest concerted effort to make the mission truly about destroying chemical WMD's then maybe I could be convinced that we should go get them.

The reality is that we don't have such a leadership. That would never be the mission. Operation Save The Babies is a pipe dream, not reality. No matter how much we wish it was otherwise.

Mulhern does make one point that goes to reinforce my own. America at large isn't interested in saving the innocent lives killed by the millions every year here in our own Country. Why would anyone believe that our leaders would care about babies elsewhere?

The truth is if we go to war its because Obama had an ego bigger than the planet.

Agreed.

It was just outside the scope of the previous posts was all.

Your concerns are shared with me.

Bravo !

GTC

Your argument is flawed and I'll tell you why.

Kids getting shot, nuked, raped, sold as slaves only to be sodomized and beaten to death, is all "abhorrent." Has not warranted our intervening in many, many places, and for a long, long time.

To view things as subjectively as you are, is inherently wrong. If one observes the totality of the circumstances they will see our country is not in the best of shape. Our leadership is horrendous. Our military is strained. Our citizens are sick and [bleep] tired of the middle east.

An objective view of the big picture? The answer would be: [bleep], and no.

The Joint Chief seems to agree with me and President Obama does not. Big clue there...



Travis

Whats Syrian food like anyway? 2M refugees and growing, surely 250,000 sprinkled here and there throughout the US wont make a difference. I wonder how many Israel will be taking in?

49 years after the Gulf of Tonkin incident and we didn't learn a dang thing. We don't really know who gassed those people. The Russians say the rebels did it. The Russians told us the Boston bomber was a terrorist and we didn't listen. They are going to let us step into schitt and then point out we were told the truth and refused to listen. We screwed the Russians and they want pay back. We're going to do it all to ourselves. If we get involved and screw the pooch the world will think less of us then if we wait for good intel. We did nothing when Saddam gassed the Kurds and Clinton let the chemical weapons slip into Syria.

Yup, and it got pretty grotesque a time or two.

Firing "Filth" over besieged Castle Walls always struck me as such.
...re-reading "The white Company" ( thanks Ed) one wonders what real "Knights" thought about THAT.

If these sonsabitches gave one sweet goddam about "National Interests", we'd be tracking down , and collecting the scalps of these bastids a LOT closer to home.

Look SOUTH.

GTC

Laughin' my ass off... Kinda...

Christ knows we've grown a vagina, but does our president have to display it with this reckless abandon?



Travis

Amen and Amen

To view things as subjectively as you are, is inherently wrong.
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Subjectively is the norm. It has to be. It always has been.

Fixed it.

It seems to me Greg that it's political emotion that has many discounting the ramifications of leaving it unchecked.

I am a fact guy. Kids are dying, miserable deaths, because of Sarin gas. Facts can be emotive. Many here have executed folks long before their trial. The wanton, reckless disbursement of gas to kill 427 young children is a disgust unworthy of one sentence of justification.

I'm sure you'll remain content in your confusion. Apples and oranges.

I am as yet unconvinced the Assad regime used it, the rebels have been caught smuggling it and there is video of the rebels lobbing canisters at something. I think Al Quida is playing us.