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Many of the mentally ill had lesser issues as children and the serious psychological problems only showed up when they were older, generally early adulthood.

When you assert a fact you need to provide the justification you used to decide that fact. You can't ask others to disprove your argument. You sound like one of the wizards from the old days who looked at chicken guts to make decisions.

No one will take a seriously mentally ill person off their meds for any reason. Think what happens if they murder people because they were denied their meds for your experiment.

As a scientist, I want to note that correlation does not imply causality. EVEN IF all these mass killers were taking psychotropic medications as stated, that does not PROVE that the medications CAUSED them to commit the murders. Any time correlation is observed, one must look for a possible common cause. PERHAPS the common cause in this case is that all these people committed the murders because they were mentally ill, AND they also were taking the medications because they were mentally ill. Obviously the medications didn't work as intended, which would be a better conclusion that to assume that the medications caused the violence.

As another example: Many people who die of heart attacks were found to have been taking nitrates, but that doesn't prove that nitrates cause heart attacks; it proves that people who die of heart attacks and those who take nitrates both do so because of a common factor: heart disease.

To infer that there would be fewer mass murders if psychotropic medications were eliminated is as faulty logic as to suggest that there would be fewer heart attacks if nitrates were eliminated.

how many of these medicines have as a known side effect suicidal thoughts?

That's not correct EE....

Hey Hawkeye, what about this:

So I have to go out and conduct a study in order to have an opinion on this matter?

I posted a vid, does that count?

The grandaddy of all gun control is the '68 GCA which the NRA supported. When I said "gun owners" I meant everybody in the US who owns a gun. As much support as there is for gun control, one has to conclude that yes, the majority of gun owners ARE for more gun control. Look at the stuff on this thread alone and this place is representative of hard core gun owners.

What everybody who is in support of such legislation needs to ask themselves is this: Do we really want folks who can't be trusted with guns walking around free themselves?

Going along with what I just said...it's the same assclowns that let all the crazies out of the mental institutions, then closed those institutions as cost cutting measures and because they were cruel, that want to ban anybody who has ever had psychotropics prescribed from owning guns.

A friend of mine is a paraplegic. He was in the hospital for Pneumonia. A doctor saw his toolkit for his wheelchair and called security because it had a small knife in it. The next thing he knew, he was carted down to the psych ward and pumped full of psychotropics. I guess he's a dangerous crazy and should be forever barred from owning weapons. Oh well, [bleep] him as long as everybody gets to keep their Citori and hunt [bleep] quails.

No. But you have to provide an argument backed up by real evidence to support your claims.

We are also able to see or hear about more of these killings now that we have the internet and media today which did not exist say 30 or 40 years ago.

I have a nephew in his mid teens who has ADHD and is considered to be border line Aspergers. He is very smart in many respects, but struggles at school. From a pre teen he refused to take medication as he "did not want to be different".

I don't know what the cause of these conditions are, but I can assure people they are real and go a lot deeper than being a naughty or difficult child.

Discipline and routine help, but the real help is one to one time with a caring/loving/understanding and patient adult. Unfortunately, life simply does not allow for the amount of this support he really needs.

Oh chill the fugg out. I posted an 11 minute video that supports my 'claim'.

Adam Lanza had Aspergers.

While research suggests that people diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders, including those with Asperger's, do show more aggressive behavior compared to the their peers, experts say that the aggression, which is usually characterized by more frequent tantrums, pushing or shoving, is very different than the behavior witnessed last Friday.

Previous studies have shown that aggressive behavior among people diagnosed with autism spectrum conditions happen 20 percent to 30 percent more often than the general population.

"But we are not talking about the kind of planned and intentional type of violence we have seen at Newtown," Butter noted, according to the Associated Press. "These types of tragedies have occurred at the hands of individuals with many different types of personalities and psychological profiles."

and a crazy mother that plied him with violent video games and gave him guns...

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

�NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22