I've been doing some form of intermittent fasting for nearly 3 years. This is a great video that goes into great depth on the proven benefits of following a time restricted diet even if weight loss isn't an issue.
Based on this information I am making some personal changes. This is only for those who want to maximize their health, not for those who are fine where they are.
I have been IM Fasting for 3 years also. I have lost 80lbs. No problem keeping the weight off. I have a lot more energy and feel great. Its so much better than a diet. I don't count calories or weigh fat grams. I eat all the food I want. Its just good healthy food, no junk. The key is when you eat it.
I have been IM Fasting for 3 years also. I have lost 80lbs. No problem keeping the weight off. I have a lot more energy and feel great. Its so much better than a diet. I don't count calories or weigh fat grams. I eat all the food I want. Its just good healthy food, no junk. The key is when you eat it.
It's a lot bigger deal than most anyone would realize. I've been doing it about like you. Two things I'm changing about mine though from the data provided. I'm extending my eating window to about 8 hours rather than the shorter amount I always shoot for and I'm going to be a lot stricter on the same time every day.
It seems that a shorter than 8 hour feeding window isn't easy to adhere to and causes more hunger which can lead to less success. Moving that window around can mess with circadian rhythm and basically make you feel jet lagged. Lots of very well peer reviewed material in that video. It's long but Professor Huberman is giving a classroom quality lecture.
I couldn't afford that kind of education when I was younger, but I so much enjoy the ability podcasts like this give us now. I mean I like to waste time as much as anyone, but this is very interesting and helpful for anyone at any health level. It's a way to basically get a tune up in hormones and all kinds of bodily processes beneficial to overall health and vitality.
I have been IM Fasting for 3 years also. I have lost 80lbs. No problem keeping the weight off. I have a lot more energy and feel great. Its so much better than a diet. I don't count calories or weigh fat grams. I eat all the food I want. Its just good healthy food, no junk. The key is when you eat it.
It's a lot bigger deal than most anyone would realize. I've been doing it about like you. Two things I'm changing about mine though from the data provided. I'm extending my eating window to about 8 hours rather than the shorter amount I always shoot for and I'm going to be a lot stricter on the same time every day.
That's exactly what I do. My eating window is 8 hours. I eat from 11:00 AM to 7:00 PM and fast for 16 hours. It has worked great for me. Good luck.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
If the cartoon figures represent the results one can expect from intermittent fasting, why does Dr. Berg look like he has never lifted anything in his life?
This is similar to a video RH posted in one of his other weight loss / nutritional health threads. The guy was a pudgy boomer in front of a rack of pill bottles, dispensing diet advice. If they know what does what why are they in the shape they are in?
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Your sugar addiction/withdrawals... kind of makes you an [bleep].
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Like I'm diminishing the quality of posts here. LOL
If you don't like it don't post and it will soon be gone. Keep yapping and it moves to the top.
If the cartoon figures represent the results one can expect from intermittent fasting, why does Dr. Berg look like he has never lifted anything in his life?
This is similar to a video RH posted in one of his other weight loss / nutritional health threads. The guy was a pudgy boomer in front of a rack of pill bottles, dispensing diet advice. If they know what does what why are they in the shape they are in?
Did you watch this vid?
Or, are your opinions based on obfuscations, and judging books by their covers.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Go easy fatty LOL
Put your money where your trap is, bet I don't weigh as much as you.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Your sugar addiction/withdrawals... kind of makes you an [bleep].
Have a candy bar and ignore what's good for you.
GR
Don't eat candy bars or drink soda fat fugg. What now?
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Like I'm diminishing the quality of posts here. LOL
If you don't like it don't post and it will soon be gone. Keep yapping and it moves to the top.
No you are not diminishing the quality of post's here. Just pointing out that those who are paying attention already have. You're not helping anyone at this point.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Like I'm diminishing the quality of posts here. LOL
If you don't like it don't post and it will soon be gone. Keep yapping and it moves to the top.
What is it with you evangelists and "did you watch the vid"?
No, I did not watch the skinny chiropractor whose thumbnail cartoon men carry far more muscle than he has been able to build in his entire life. Just like I didn't watch the pudgy boomer explain to me about nutrition. Neither of those people have proven they can do anything I'd want to do with myself. If I were a great big fat person, maybe I'd envy them.
So go eat some french fries and ignore what's good for you.
I don't blame you for not engaging with my question. If I needed a daydreaming chiropractor to tell me to stop eating French fries I probably wouldn't either.
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Your sugar addiction/withdrawals... kind of makes you an [bleep].
Have a candy bar and ignore what's good for you.
GR
Don't eat candy bars or drink soda fat fugg. What now?
So go eat some french fries and ignore what's good for you.
I don't blame you for not engaging with my question. If I needed a daydreaming chiropractor to tell me to stop eating French fries I probably wouldn't either.
But that's not what the vid's about.
So your ignorance just makes the french fries worse for you.
The question was, for the dimwits, why did the chiropractor have the thumbnail cartoon man drawn with so much muscle when he clearly has no personal experience with building it on IF?
I know why....and if it will help you out I can clip some more of his thumbnails.
The question was, for the dimwits, why did the chiropractor have the thumbnail cartoon man drawn with so much muscle when he clearly has no personal experience with building it on IF?
I know why....and if it will help you out I can clip some more of his thumbnails.
So fat-ass morons like you would be offended and not watch it.
It's Educational.
You see the problem, right?
It would impact your ignorant status, and might compel you to change something for the better.
Just keep judging books by their covers, and bring in extraneous obfuscation whenever possible.
Ok, since you won't engage I will tell you why he had his cartoon man drawn with so much muscle: He is a full blown homo and that is how he likes his men to look.
Most Scientologists are either gay, or at least bi. Into dudes either way and this Scientologist chiropractor is no exception.
Anyway I do hope his advice helps you lose weight despite the risk that it might also turn you gay. I am not sure which is worse, being gay or being fat, just content that I will never need to find out first hand.
Ok, since you won't engage I will tell you why he had his cartoon man drawn with so much muscle: He is a full blown homo and that is how he likes his men to look.
Most Scientologists are either gay, or at least bi. Into dudes either way and this Scientologist chiropractor is no exception.
Anyway I do hope his advice helps you lose weight despite the risk that it might also turn you gay. I am not sure which is worse, being gay or being fat, just content that I will never need to find out first hand.
Great job on the book-cover judging and extraneous obfuscation.
Scientology/chiropractor/gay...?
All your personal manifestations.
Outstanding!
Your ignorance status, and your fat ass, are secure.
15 years ago they said eggs and bacon would make you fat..... Fasting is just the current fad diet of the moment. Beware of people trying to sell you snake oil.
15 years ago they said eggs and bacon would make you fat..... Fasting is just the current fad diet of the moment. Beware of people trying to sell you snake oil.
Yeah... like this:
Developed by a fraud nutritionist working for the Government.
15 years ago they said eggs and bacon would make you fat..... Fasting is just the current fad diet of the moment. Beware of people trying to sell you snake oil.
I guess as a fad it's been going on for thousands of years. There are real scientifically measurable results that are very beneficial to health in many ways other than just fat loss. You need to evaluate the information before making a judgement. I'm sure you think it's information you don't need and don't have time for, but you are wasting it here so, whatever, have a nice night.
15 years ago they said eggs and bacon would make you fat..... Fasting is just the current fad diet of the moment. Beware of people trying to sell you snake oil.
And, so ya know: I live on eggs and bacon, grease and meat.
No sugars, no starches (which are just folded, bonded sugar).
And ya know what?
I don't get hungry.
Not like all y'all do.
Can go days without eating and be no worse the wear.
Because your hunger pain - is actually just a sugar withdrawal, part of your sugar addiction.
Why is it that everyone that was heavy that loses weight feels compelled to proselytize and step up on a little stool to preach? Usually they’re like a preacher that read 1/3 of the Bible and rely on emotion and speaking ability to get the “sermon” out?
I challenge any one on this website to do a 72 hour fast. Nothing but black coffee and water.
I have done it many times. The first day is the toughest for someone that has never done a 24+ hr fast before. Your body produces ghrelin (hunger hormone) thats the feeling you get that makes you want to eat. Once your body realizes that your not going to cram some food in your face it starts to burn fat instead. Now it is being feed with stored body fat and is satisfied. It then no longer produces ghrelin and you no longer feel hungry. This is how the body works. Its been that way since cavemen walked the planet. Bears do it when they hibernate. The feeling of being hungry goes away. It doesn't keep getting more intense until you eat again.
During the first 24 hours without food, as your glucose storage is depleted, your body will begin to convert glycogen from your liver and muscles into glucose.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy.
Muscle tissue is the FIRST thing your body metabolizes for energy after glycogen stores are depleted , not FAT stores
During the first 24 hours without food, as your glucose storage is depleted, your body will begin to convert glycogen from your liver and muscles into glucose.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy.
Muscle tissue is the FIRST thing your body metabolizes for energy, not FAT stores
Actually, about 25% of weight loss through internal fat consumption (ketosis), is muscle protein, part of the process.
But Strength Training will maintain/rebuild the loss, and use Autophagy for the required protein.
During the first 24 hours without food, as your glucose storage is depleted, your body will begin to convert glycogen from your liver and muscles into glucose.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy.
Muscle tissue is the FIRST thing your body metabolizes for energy, not FAT stores
So your body stores fat, and then when the chips are down and there's no food you burn muscle. I call BS. That makes no sense at all. Educate yourself. Here is the proof you need if you care to see the science
So your body stores fat, and then when the chips are down and there's no food you burn muscle.
It’s fact. Do some research
The body uses the easiest energy source available. When stored glycogen is depleted and no dietary calories are found, the first tissue used for energy is muscle tissue for a period of time
The body chooses this route because converting muscle tissue to energy is a simpler process than using fat
The body then uses fat tissue until depleted
The body then resorts to muscle tissue for energy until death
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Go easy fatty LOL
Put your money where your trap is, bet I don't weigh as much as you.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
I have done the research. Been there done that. take the time and watch the video I posted. It saved my life. I'm no expert. But I have experienced what I posted. I lived it. and I know first hand what the results are.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
The Human body - does not distinguish between dietary or stored fat in Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
You are Processed crap.
GR
So, you're done losing?
Jiggly?
Ha!
Human - escapes you.
GR
Post a pic like BGG asked
You would wet yourself.
Your health is of no concern to me.
But your demise will no doubt be interesting reading.
Probably preceded by a long and expensive hospital stay.
Did an 80 hour fast couple of weeks ago. First 24 hours is definitely the hardest, after that smooth sailing. Multiple advantages...good for the immune system, autophagy, etc.
Helps to be in ketosis when you start your fast. Can't imagine going standard american diet right to an extended fast...that would be 24 - 48 hours of hell.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy. However, your body is designed to conserve muscle, not break it down. So this phase provides temporary energy while your metabolism is making a major shift.
Once the fat stores have been completely metabolized, the body then reverts back to muscle breakdown for energy, since it’s the only remaining fuel source in the body.
You’ll begin to experience severe adverse symptoms during the stage of starvation where your body is using its muscle reserves for energy.
That is Starvation - not Keytosis.
You do not understand what it is like to be Human.
Seven(7) days, and no worse the wear.
GR
Except your tiny stick body lost muscle
LOL
Bet you jiggle like Santa when you laugh.
Lift Heavy, run, play handball, work hard.
You would fear me.
And you just don't understand what it's like to be Human.
Did an 80 hour fast couple of weeks ago. First 24 hours is definitely the hardest, after that smooth sailing. Multiple advantages...good for the immune system, autophagy, etc.
Helps to be in ketosis when you start your fast. Can't imagine going standard american diet right to an extended fast...that would be 24 - 48 hours of hell.
Come pussies post some pics. You all talk a big game.
It would be hilarious
Lead from the front.
No burnsesque 30 yo trophy photos. You guys talk about how you know the secret post pics for contrast and compare.
Then we can get into how much real world outside the gym you can lift.
I’m only deadlifting 415 on the trap bar for 2
I’m weak
Rick I don’t doubt you.
If I had a gun that I said I could shoot xxx size groups with, and someone argued and said that gun or that load won’t shoot that size groups or that velocity it’s an easy thing to take a pick of the group, and/or the chrono reading and picks of the gun.
Dr Pelz talks a lot about the benefits of an extended fast, autophagy doesn't really kick in until 24 plus hours (depending on the individual).
She suggested in another video a 12 hour eating window followed by a 36 hour fast, repeat. So....eat 7 am to 7 pm, fast from 7pm for 36 hours then eat again at 7am, repeat. I might try that next. But, pretty much stick to a 6-7 hour eating window now.
This may be TMI, but intermittent fasting has really helped my guts. I used to have to know where every bathroom was and it was always messy. Now, I’m predictable and they are nearly always the phantom poops where you know it came out, but the paper runs clean.
This may be TMI, but intermittent fasting has really helped my guts. I used to have to know where every bathroom was and it was always messy. Now, I’m predictable and they are nearly always the phantom poops where you know it came out, but the paper runs clean.
This may be TMI, but intermittent fasting has really helped my guts. I used to have to know where every bathroom was and it was always messy. Now, I’m predictable and they are nearly always the phantom poops where you know it came out, but the paper runs clean.
Sign of a good Human diet as well.
Anything special, like Keto/Carnivore/Paleo?
GR
I’m actually not sure what to call it. I’m mostly a hunk of meat with vegetables kind of guy. I do a sandwich a couple times a week. I don’t do a lot of starch or processed sugar. I like berries from time to time.
I just feel like my digestive tract benefits from a rest. I had rot gut all the time. I did the 5 small meals thing that everyone was talking about. I read a little about digestive systems and it seemed like ours wasn’t made for grazing.
This may be TMI, but intermittent fasting has really helped my guts. I used to have to know where every bathroom was and it was always messy. Now, I’m predictable and they are nearly always the phantom poops where you know it came out, but the paper runs clean.
Sign of a good Human diet as well.
Anything special, like Keto/Carnivore/Paleo?
GR
I’m actually not sure what to call it. I’m mostly a hunk of meat with vegetables kind of guy. I do a sandwich a couple times a week. I don’t do a lot of starch or processed sugar. I like berries from time to time.
I just feel like my digestive tract benefits from a rest. I had rot gut all the time. I did the 5 small meals thing that everyone was talking about. I read a little about digestive systems and it seemed like ours wasn’t made for grazing.
A born again fat person is as bad as a born again christian...
Some of us never got fat and always have known about Jesus.
Kent
Ain’t that the truth, don’t even mention recovering alcoholics that found Jesus in recovery. 😆
I guess I’ve pretty much always had a paleo-carnivore-keto diet without even trying, I also do a 24hr fast daily since I only ever eat supper. In rare cases, usually traveling or on vacation, I’ll have breakfast which will be fresh fruit, yogurt, granola, juice and coffee maybe a croissant or pastry if they’re good ones. I just can’t eat a big breakfast and I don’t enjoy getting my calories that way although I do enjoy the options I mentioned earlier. I find that if I do have a light healthy breakfast then I’m more hungry that day since it kicks my metabolism into gear earlier than usual. I’m very content with my diet and it allows me to eat whatever I want if something special pops up. I have never had a weight problem but I’ve always been athletic and active with an eye towards health and longevity. I see people eat a big breakfast, a big lunch and a big supper and I wonder how they can do that. My BP runs around 118/72 my typical resting HR is 56-62 and the last time I had labs done the doctor said all my numbers were “abnormally normal”. 😀. A few months ago I had my first endoscopy/colonoscopy which was done at the “same time” and I had myself convinced that I was being eaten up with cancer since I’ve chewed, my one Vice, for years. After I came to and spoke with the doctor I told him to give me the bad news…ulcer? Cancer?…just tell me straight Doc. He said that my “GI tract looked as clean as a newborn baby”…I had to laugh at his phrasing but I sure thanked the Lord that everything looked great. I don’t know if my decades of unintentional 24hr fasting has anything to do with the fact that I’m as healthy at 52 as I was when I was 25. I wear the same size jeans 34-34 as I did when I was 25 although I just got off the scale and I weigh 195 pounds on the dot so at 6-2” 195 I’m probably consider “grossly obese” on the BMI chart. 😂. I don’t think I’ve been under 200 pounds in 20 years since I typically hover between 210-225. My wife likes me on the heavier end of the spectrum but I prefer around 200 as that seems to be the perfect balance for me between massive power and lightning speed. 😀
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Go easy fatty LOL
Put your money where your trap is, bet I don't weigh as much as you.
So your body stores fat, and then when the chips are down and there's no food you burn muscle. I call BS. That makes no sense at all. Educate yourself..
LoL. the fundamental metabolic process in ~Gluconeogenesis~ employs substrates/precursors of certain (glucogenic)amino acids, along with other non-carb precursor molecules such as ; pyruvate, lactate and glycerol.
Glycerol is derived from breakdown of Triacylglycerols in adipose ..providing free fatty acids and glycerol.
ATP is consumed in the Gluconeogenesis process coming mostly from Beta oxidation of fatty acids.
ATP more normally is formed from breakdown of glucose through Cellular Respiration , which begins with Glycolysis in the cytoplasm , then Kreb cycle and Oxidative Phosphorylation in the Mitochondria, where a Proton (hydrogen) gradient is formed via the Electron Transport Chain in the mitochondrial membrane...Such protons must then pass through a specific/exclusive ATP Synthase rotary channel on the inner membrane leading to the matrix.
Originally Posted by jc189
Well the Doc.clearly says excess calories result in weight gain which is in line with what myself and others have been telling Clark; that his claim of losing weight without a calorie deficit program just doesn't stack up with how human metabolic biochemistry works.
There's a wealth of information available to anyone today but it's sometimes hard to know who to listen to. Andrew Huberman's podcast is the best source I've found for science-based information on improving many different aspects of health.
God help me, I read most of this thread and the only question I really have is...what skin care do you girls use?
Old mate Aces uses a bidet and Cottonelle - he proudly told us so a little while back. LOL!!! He gets a touch of excess bile from time to time.
Your fascination with my ass is flattering, the fact that my ass is always on your mind is understandable…but still creepy.
I get more than “a touch of excess bile” every time I read your vile bullshit.
LOL
Them Aussies are the biggest, long-in-the-tooth blowhards here Aces, we only get a break during the day when they are sound asleep in Rooland.
I have been doing 24-hour fasts for 4 years and never felt better in my life.
I have been able to easily gain weight even when I was a Top Tier Athlete when I was 18 years old. The only way I keep it off is by doing 24s and eating once a day. In an age where most of us live sedentary lifestyles, compared to our forefathers that worked with their hands in the field, there really is no need to eat three times a day.
It's gotten to the point where I can not even imagine eating during the day, and if I do I get tired. Diets like Nutrisystem are pure BS, Intermittent Fasting is the best way to eat as far as I am concerned.
God help me, I read most of this thread and the only question I really have is...what skin care do you girls use?
Old mate Aces uses a bidet and Cottonelle - he proudly told us so a little while back. LOL!!! He gets a touch of excess bile from time to time.
Your fascination with my ass is flattering, the fact that my ass is always on your mind is understandable…but still creepy.
I get more than “a touch of excess bile” every time I read your vile bullshit.
LOL
Them Aussies are the biggest, long-in-the-tooth blowhards here Aces, we only get a break during the day when they are sound asleep in Rooland.
I have been doing 24-hour fasts for 4 years and never felt better in my life.
I have been able to easily gain weight even when I was a Top Tier Athlete when I was 18 years old. The only way I keep it off is by doing 24s and eating once a day. In an age where most of us live sedentary lifestyles, compared to our forefathers that worked with their hands in the field, there really is no need to eat three times a day.
It's gotten to the point where I can not even imagine eating during the day, and if I do I get tired. Diets like Nutrisystem are pure BS, Intermittent Fasting is the best way to eat as far as I am concerned.
Intermittent fasting isn't just for weight loss. There's a lot of other proven, measurable health benefits that come from only consuming calories for a specific portion of each day. In our modern society, I doubt many people go more than 2 hours every waking day without either eating or drinking calories in some form.
God help me, I read most of this thread and the only question I really have is...what skin care do you girls use?
Old mate Aces uses a bidet and Cottonelle - he proudly told us so a little while back. LOL!!! He gets a touch of excess bile from time to time.
Your fascination with my ass is flattering, the fact that my ass is always on your mind is understandable…but still creepy.
I get more than “a touch of excess bile” every time I read your vile bullshit.
LOL
Them Aussies are the biggest, long-in-the-tooth blowhards here Aces, we only get a break during the day when they are sound asleep in Rooland.
I have been doing 24-hour fasts for 4 years and never felt better in my life.
I have been able to easily gain weight even when I was a Top Tier Athlete when I was 18 years old. The only way I keep it off is by doing 24s and eating once a day. In an age where most of us live sedentary lifestyles, compared to our forefathers that worked with their hands in the field, there really is no need to eat three times a day.
It's gotten to the point where I can not even imagine eating during the day, and if I do I get tired. Diets like Nutrisystem are pure BS, Intermittent Fasting is the best way to eat as far as I am concerned.
Intermittent fasting isn't just for weight loss. There's a lot of other proven, measurable health benefits that come from only consuming calories for a specific portion of each day. In our modern society, I doubt many people go more than 2 hours every waking day without either eating or drinking calories in some form.
I agree 100% with you RHClark.
There are many other benefits besides weight loss, in my case my inflammation and Gout issues have all but disappeared.
While I was losing weight and doing these extreme intermittent fasts, I biked 12 miles and then walked 6 miles EVERY DAY. Never had any energy issues since I was drinking my homemade Electrolyte drink with Chelated Minerals.
I was in a state of Ketosis the entire time and therefore was in Pure Fat Burning Mode the entire time. I was using Keytone Strips to ensure I was in Ketosis.
This is me @ 62 years old after one of my 12-mile bike rides and after I lost 65 lbs. in 3 months
I tried it for a week, but missed breakfast so bad, I gave it up.
I don't eat breakfast any more. But occasionally I feel like eating bacon and eggs. So I just eat them at 11:00am. a couple of days ago I ate 6 eggs and a pound of bacon. Scratched that itch for a while.
Me at 260lbs
Me at 180lbs
IM Fasting works for me. It is easy for me to keep the weight off even being 65+ and not exercising as much as I used to.
I tried it for a week, but missed breakfast so bad, I gave it up.
I don't eat breakfast any more. But occasionally I feel like eating bacon and eggs. So I just eat them at 11:00am. a couple of days ago I ate 6 eggs and a pound of bacon. Scratched that itch for a while.
Me at 260lbs
Me at 180lbse
IM Fasting works for me. It is easy for me to keep the weight off even being 65+ and not exercising as much as I used to.
I Bet like me you feel 100% better since you lost the excess baggage hey?
No, but I bet you were and you got the name smokepole, since all the band members took turns smoking your pole lol
Geez, don't be so sensitive, my bad, I forgot the Village People was an all male group.
Just kidding man, all good!
LOL. it was the helmet that fooled me!
Like I said, I just got off my bike, I actually took the picture when I was on an online dating site, to show the LADIES, I was fit @ 62, a competitive edge thing, since most men at 62 are out of shape, because of the foods and how they eat!
Ever notice that when you go shopping and see men that are 80+ they are all slim? Where did all the obese ones go?
I tried it for a week, but missed breakfast so bad, I gave it up.
I don't eat breakfast any more. But occasionally I feel like eating bacon and eggs. So I just eat them at 11:00am. a couple of days ago I ate 6 eggs and a pound of bacon. Scratched that itch for a while.
Me at 260lbs
Me at 180lbse
IM Fasting works for me. It is easy for me to keep the weight off even being 65+ and not exercising as much as I used to.
I Bet like me you feel 100% better since you lost the excess baggage hey?
Nice Cuda!
YES, I feel much better after IM Fasting. My Granddaughter had fun catching that cuda. But when I put it in the boat she was scared to get next to it for a pic. She didn't realize how big it was when she was catching it.
Has your wife lost weight since that photo was taken?
You are being unnecessarily cruel: 1) That is a guy. Yes the hair is in violations, but that is still a man. 2) He claims he is in his 60s and for a 60+ year old man he looks to be ok. Has some bit of leg development, which is balanced well against his bit of upper body development. He isn't a great big fat person. 3) Clearly the horizontal stripes do him no favors. Neither does the helment and blu blockers.
To get back to basics, here is a link to the OT levels: https://file.wikileaks.org/file/scientology-ot-levels.pdf for the scientologists still reading the thread. No word in there as to whether chiropracty disposes someone to nutritional insight, but I welcome any first hand reports of auditing. Either as an auditee or an auditor. Experiences with an E Meter, etc.
Genuinely interested even though I think most scientologists are homos.
Apology in advance to Rick Bin for the copyright claim that will follow from the above link.
Has your wife lost weight since that photo was taken?
You are being unnecessarily cruel: 1) That is a guy. Yes the hair is in violations, but that is still a man. 2) He claims he is in his 60s and for a 60+ year old man he looks to be ok. Has some bit of leg development, which is balanced well against his bit of upper body development. He isn't a great big fat person. 3) Clearly the horizontal stripes do him no favors. Neither does the helment and blu blockers.
Wow, had me fooled, but are you really sure about that? A woman in her 60s, sure, but KillerBee will need to provide confirmation.
Has your wife lost weight since that photo was taken?
You are being unnecessarily cruel: 1) That is a guy. Yes the hair is in violations, but that is still a man. 2) He claims he is in his 60s and for a 60+ year old man he looks to be ok. Has some bit of leg development, which is balanced well against his bit of upper body development. He isn't a great big fat person. 3) Clearly the horizontal stripes do him no favors. Neither does the helment and blu blockers.
To get back to basics, here is a link to the OT levels: https://file.wikileaks.org/file/scientology-ot-levels.pdf for the scientologists still reading the thread. No word in there as to whether chiropracty disposes someone to nutritional insight, but I welcome any first hand reports of auditing. Either as an auditee or an auditor. Experiences with an E Meter, etc.
Genuinely interested even though I think most scientologists are homos.
Apology in advance to Rick Bin for the copyright claim that will follow from the above link.
The ladies dig me and in the end, that is all that really matters, at least to moi.
Back to the science and two irrefutable facts.
1. Men that eat and weigh less live longer and healthier lives than men that eat too much and are obese. The same holds true for women
2. Nonobese males have way more sex with many more women than obese males. The same holds true for women
Wow, had me fooled, but are you really sure about that?
Yeah I am pretty confident that is a guy.
As the sexes age they do tend to look similar, but there are still telltale signs. Same ones that stymie trannies. In his pic his shoulders are (slightly) wider than his hips, a telltale sign. Neck musculature is masculine, and only a few women have that sort of leg development. Female gymnasts and such have bigger legs in relative terms but that doesn't look like a gymnast's physique to me.
Wow, had me fooled, but are you really sure about that?
Yeah I am pretty confident that is a guy.
As the sexes age they do tend to look similar, but there are still telltale signs. Same ones that stymie trannies. In his pic his shoulders are (slightly) wider than his hips, a telltale sign. Neck musculature is masculine, and only a few women have that sort of leg development. Female gymnasts and such have bigger legs in relative terms but that doesn't look like a gymnast's physique to me.
This guy pretty well sums it up in 6 minutes. Sugar is addictive. That's why they put it in almost everything. Its all about making a profit and to keep you coming back to buy more. But it is extremely bad for you.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
Or you can eat fish, fruits, vegetables and dark chocolate...
There's no new way to eat, just a new name and youtube video looking to cash in.
Kent
Exactly, fish, fruits, vegetables and dark chocolate would be great. The point is not to eat a new way, its to eat the old way. Like people did before McDonalds, Coca-Cola, ho-ho's, Twinkies, Frosted Flakes, Etc. You get the point. Before food company's started putting modern processed sugar/high fructose corn syrup in everything. The human body has not changed in over a hundred thousand years. But what most people put in to it sure has.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
True, my point was Carbohydrates metabolize into Sugar, North Americans eat way too many foods that are carbs, loaded with Sugar and Salt.
They are doing this because they are Mineral Deficient.
Eat 1 meal a day avoid Carbs and sugar, live longer.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
True, my point was Carbohydrates metabolize into Sugar, North Americans eat way too many foods that are carbs, loaded with Sugar and Salt.
They are doing this because they are Mineral Deficient.
Eat 1 meal a day avoid Carbs and sugar, live longer.
Carbohydrates are metabolized into glucose. Glucose is “blood sugar“ not sugar.
It is stored in muscle tissue as glycogen which is used for energy
I’ve been using turmeric for years. After reading the article and attempting to read the reference study, I’ll be adjusting the dose
How much will you be taking per day? I will be mixing it into my homemade electrolyte drink with Apple Cider
Right now I’m taking 1500 mg. It is not micellar curcumin like the article is pushing which says results in 95% more curcumin in the bloodstream, so I’ll have to experiment.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
True, my point was Carbohydrates metabolize into Sugar, North Americans eat way too many foods that are carbs, loaded with Sugar and Salt.
They are doing this because they are Mineral Deficient.
Eat 1 meal a day avoid Carbs and sugar, live longer.
Carbohydrates are metabolized into glucose. Glucose is “blood sugar“ not sugar.
It is stored in muscle tissue as glycogen which is used for energy
Any excess calories are stored as fat
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Combine that with consuming those carbs in some form every hour or two while awake and it's a good recipe for developing type 2 diabetes, which is simply when you have built up a tolerance to the constant release of insulin. Insulin can also wreak havoc in other ways, inflammation being key. Inflammation is actually the root cause of the top 5 deadly diseases.
Fasting is useful to correct insulin sensitivity and reduce inflammatory markers. It is much harder to fast while eating a high carb diet.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
True, my point was Carbohydrates metabolize into Sugar, North Americans eat way too many foods that are carbs, loaded with Sugar and Salt.
They are doing this because they are Mineral Deficient.
Eat 1 meal a day avoid Carbs and sugar, live longer.
Carbohydrates are metabolized into glucose. Glucose is “blood sugar“ not sugar.
It is stored in muscle tissue as glycogen which is used for energy
Any excess calories are stored as fat
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Combine that with consuming those carbs in some form every hour or two while awake and it's a good recipe for developing type 2 diabetes, which is simply when you have built up a tolerance to the constant release of insulin. Insulin can also wreak havoc in other ways, inflammation being key. Inflammation is actually the root cause of the top 5 deadly diseases.
Fasting is useful to correct insulin sensitivity and reduce inflammatory markers. It is much harder to fast while eating a high carb diet.
If people are eating garbage food “every hour or two”, there in lies the problem.
It’s a behavioral problem and a poor food choice problem
Wouldn't put much stock in that as I drink it as my regular drink and it sure as heck hasn't made me skinny. Tastes excellent though.
What product are you using?
Their potencies are not all exactly alike and absorption varies. I’m not sure what is best to use, but playing with increasing the dosage sure can’t hurt you
Can you cite medical source reference for your claim since my understanding is that obesity and an inactive lifestyle are most common cause. Mayo and Cleveland Clinic ,CDC, NIH, WHO, and many more Med sources seem to support my position.
my response is in ref. to type 2, Etiology for Type 1 is typically auto immune aimed at β cells.
excess calories be they sugars, fats , proteins, lead to excessive blood glucose and increased triglycerides in adipose(body fat) which is the principal energy reserve followed by glycogen store in muscle and liver respectively.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH LOL
But here, Carbohydrates! Eat more meat and less carbs.
When people eat food containing carbohydrates, the digestive system breaks down the digestible ones into sugar, which enters the blood. As blood sugar levels rise, the pancreas produces insulin, a hormone that prompts cells to absorb blood sugar for energy or storage.
Excess calories are all stored as fat, no matter if the calories come from carbohydrates, proteins, or dietary fat. Because of the process the body metabolizes macro nutrients, dietary fat is more likely to be stored as adipose tissue. It then follows that you should eat a low fat diet not a low carbohydrate diet.
True, my point was Carbohydrates metabolize into Sugar, North Americans eat way too many foods that are carbs, loaded with Sugar and Salt.
They are doing this because they are Mineral Deficient.
Eat 1 meal a day avoid Carbs and sugar, live longer.
Carbohydrates are metabolized into glucose. Glucose is “blood sugar“ not sugar.
It is stored in muscle tissue as glycogen which is used for energy
Any excess calories are stored as fat
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Combine that with consuming those carbs in some form every hour or two while awake and it's a good recipe for developing type 2 diabetes, which is simply when you have built up a tolerance to the constant release of insulin. Insulin can also wreak havoc in other ways, inflammation being key. Inflammation is actually the root cause of the top 5 deadly diseases.
Fasting is useful to correct insulin sensitivity and reduce inflammatory markers. It is much harder to fast while eating a high carb diet.
If people are eating garbage food “every hour or two”, there in lies the problem.
It’s a behavioral problem and a poor food choice problem
Yes, it's behavioral and a food choice problem, but remember we aren't talking just about getting fat. It's pretty easy to consume calories all day long. Get up in the morning and have some coffee with a splash of milk. There's your first dose. An hour or two later drink a glass of tea, etc. etc. The only way to know for sure how it affects you would be to wear a continuous glucose monitor. Anyone can get a test for insulin insensitivity. If you are insensitive, then a fasting protocol combined with lower glycemic foods can reverse it. Lots of people can have different degree of this problem and still be lean.
Their potencies are not all exactly alike and absorption varies. I’m not sure what is best to use, but playing with increasing the dosage sure can’t hurt you
These two and green tea are about the only hot beverages I drink now.
Their potencies are not all exactly alike and absorption varies. I’m not sure what is best to use, but playing with increasing the dosage sure can’t hurt you
These two and green tea are about the only hot beverages I drink now.
While Curcumin is a better form of Turmeric from an absorption standpoint, Theracurmin is considered the best from an absorption standpoint. The problem is, Turmeric in any form is very slow to absorbed.
There are other polyphenols that show much of the same or even better anti-inflammatory and fat metabolism benefits. At the end of the day, taking a supplement isn't going to help if your diet and exercise levels are crap.
One should limit themselves to no more than 20g of carbs/day and 1500 calories to lose weight. After your goal is attained, you can bump that up obviously. The key is to MONITOR your weight/what you eat. Also and if you can stick it out, a two or three day fast then dieting is an outstanding method. At least it works for me
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
I don't know that it would be possible to eat enough carbs to be an issue if they all came from vegetables that weren't ultra processed or added to.
The issue for me with carbs is that anything high on that glycemic scale will only trigger hunger. The apple wouldn't be nearly as fat inducing as all the other food I ate because I ate the apple.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
I don't know that it would be possible to eat enough carbs to be an issue if they all came from vegetables that weren't ultra processed or added to.
The issue for me with carbs is that anything high on that glycemic scale will only trigger hunger. The apple wouldn't be nearly as fat inducing as all the other food I ate because I ate the apple.
It's actually surprising, even for the green leafies and cruciferous vegetables.
~ 1/2 lb. is about it, to stay under 20 g./day, along w/ an avocado.
Beet greens are about the lowest, are easy to grow, and are high in potassium as well. A Super-food.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake.
Not Complicated!
💯Wrong
Keto lie #2: You have to be in Ketosis to burn fat
“ Summary You don’t need to be ‘in ketosis’ or have elevated ketone levels to burn fat from your diet or body.
Ketosis is an alternative pathway that your body uses to burn fat in the citric acid cycle when you don’t have enough carbs and protein available for energy production.
When you eat enough carbohydrates or protein, you will be burning fat in the default citric acid cycle.
If you eat a satiating diet that leads to an energy deficit with adequate protein, you may have lower ketones, but you will still be burning fat.
Measuring blood ketones is of limited use to guide your dietary choices because it is hard to know whether the fat is coming from your body or your food.”
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake.
Not Complicated!
💯Wrong
Keto lie #2: You have to be in Ketosis to burn fat
“ Summary You don’t need to be ‘in ketosis’ or have elevated ketone levels to burn fat from your diet or body.
Ketosis is an alternative pathway that your body uses to burn fat in the citric acid cycle when you don’t have enough carbs and protein available for energy production.
When you eat enough carbohydrates or protein, you will be burning fat in the default citric acid cycle.
If you eat a satiating diet that leads to an energy deficit with adequate protein, you may have lower ketones, but you will still be burning fat.
Measuring blood ketones is of limited use to guide your dietary choices because it is hard to know whether the fat is coming from your body or your food.”
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, for Storing fat, and you are addicted to it.
The amount of activity needed to complete a days work for the average person in 1900 would stagger most people today. The amount of activity needed to survive 1000 or 3000 years ago would stagger someone in 1900.
High energy foods were sought after, they would have done better on twinkies and sugar pops than the monothetic foods they had available.
A Paleo activity regime would keep you heathier than a Paleo diet.
But that won't happen, so any starvation/fast diet will work to burn stored fat if you take in less energy than you release.
If your activity level is high enough you can eat whatever you want.
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, and you are addicted to it.
GR
You seem to like telling humans that they have no idea what it is like to be human...so I am going to assume that you don't think they are human, but you are.
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, and you are addicted to it.
GR
You seem to like telling humans that they have no idea what it is like to be human...so I am going to assume that you don't think they are human, but you are.
That seems more than a little bit creepy.
Only to the ignorant or incurious.
8-10 Million years as Hominids.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, and you are addicted to it.
GR
You seem to like telling humans that they have no idea what it is like to be human...so I am going to assume that you don't think they are human, but you are.
That seems more than a little bit creepy.
Only to the ignorant or incurious.
8-10 Million years as Hominids.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
The amount of activity needed to complete a days work for the average person in 1900 would stagger most people today. The amount of activity needed to survive 1000 or 3000 years ago would stagger someone in 1900.
High energy foods were sought after, they would have done better on twinkies and sugar pops than the monothetic foods they had available.
A Paleo activity regime would keep you heathier than a Paleo diet.
But that won't happen, so any starvation/fast diet will work to burn stored fat if you take in less energy than you release.
If your activity level is high enough you can eat whatever you want.
Kent
That is Cartoonish.
It only works if you eat that baby food crap every Three hours - otherwise you are Starving.
In ketosis - your body is running on Fat, either dietary or stored.
Generally burn ~ 25-2800 calories/day.
If I eat a human diet - no weight loss. If I fast - lose ~ 3/4 lb./day.
Finished a Seven(7) day fast last week.
Full workout and field work schedule - and don't notice the difference.
Try that on an "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Still is, ones station in life tends to govern what one can access...it's a bit like some skinny little Indian doctor telling some bloke that works physically that he should eat less...because he does.
These pricks poncing about telling everyone how hard they work to look pretty doesn't impress blokes that work physically.
There's more than one way to skin the whole "body composition" cat with regards to fasting or not, carbs or no carbs, high fat or moderate fat, etc. But for decades, many/most of the people who look lean as part of their job eat like this most days:
They do it because it will keep them lean, fuel their activities, and keep them healthy/well while doing it. Most obese people are not fat from eating too much steak, rice, and green beans. It's generally burgers, chips, alcohol, pizza, ice cream, fried stuff, salad dressings, and oversized portions of all while moving very little. There's very seldom a smoking gun with regards to just one culprit like sugar, carbs, fats, or alcohol.
When I'm getting a bit fluffy around the midsection, it's usually due to too many junky snacks, too much alcohol, and not enough basic meat/veg/starch meals each week.
The amount of activity needed to complete a days work for the average person in 1900 would stagger most people today. The amount of activity needed to survive 1000 or 3000 years ago would stagger someone in 1900.
High energy foods were sought after, they would have done better on twinkies and sugar pops than the monothetic foods they had available.
A Paleo activity regime would keep you heathier than a Paleo diet.
But that won't happen, so any starvation/fast diet will work to burn stored fat if you take in less energy than you release.
If your activity level is high enough you can eat whatever you want.
Kent
For that to be true, all food would have to be the same. It just isn't. The quality of foods you consume does matter. You may be thin and full of energy and do fine on a crap diet for a while, but you can't get around being built out of what you eat.
The amount of activity needed to complete a days work for the average person in 1900 would stagger most people today. The amount of activity needed to survive 1000 or 3000 years ago would stagger someone in 1900.
High energy foods were sought after, they would have done better on twinkies and sugar pops than the monothetic foods they had available.
A Paleo activity regime would keep you heathier than a Paleo diet.
But that won't happen, so any starvation/fast diet will work to burn stored fat if you take in less energy than you release.
If your activity level is high enough you can eat whatever you want.
Kent
That is Cartoonish.
It only works if you eat that baby food crap every Three hours - otherwise you are Starving.
In ketosis - your body is running on Fat, either dietary or stored.
Generally burn ~ 25-2800 calories/day.
If I eat a human diet - no weight loss. If I fast - lose ~ 3/4 lb./day.
Finished a Seven(7) day fast last week.
Full workout and field work schedule - and don't notice the difference.
Try that on an "every Three hours" baby food diet.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake.
Not Complicated!
💯Wrong
Keto lie #2: You have to be in Ketosis to burn fat
“ Summary You don’t need to be ‘in ketosis’ or have elevated ketone levels to burn fat from your diet or body.
Ketosis is an alternative pathway that your body uses to burn fat in the citric acid cycle when you don’t have enough carbs and protein available for energy production.
When you eat enough carbohydrates or protein, you will be burning fat in the default citric acid cycle.
If you eat a satiating diet that leads to an energy deficit with adequate protein, you may have lower ketones, but you will still be burning fat.
Measuring blood ketones is of limited use to guide your dietary choices because it is hard to know whether the fat is coming from your body or your food.”
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, for Storing fat, and you are addicted to it.
There's more than one way to skin the whole "body composition" cat with regards to fasting or not, carbs or no carbs, high fat or moderate fat, etc. But for decades, many/most of the people who look lean as part of their job eat like this most days:
They do it because it will keep them lean, fuel their activities, and keep them healthy/well while doing it. Most obese people are not fat from eating too much steak, rice, and green beans. It's generally burgers, chips, alcohol, pizza, ice cream, fried stuff, salad dressings, and oversized portions of all while moving very little. There's very seldom a smoking gun with regards to just one culprit like sugar, carbs, fats, or alcohol.
All true but as I keep saying a fasting protocol isn't just about weight loss. Andrew Huberman goes into great detail in the video I posted. He even discusses a study on the measured benefits it had on elite cyclists. A fasting protocol can benefit regardless of the amount or type of the food consumed within a specific feeding window each day.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake.
Not Complicated!
💯Wrong
Keto lie #2: You have to be in Ketosis to burn fat
“ Summary You don’t need to be ‘in ketosis’ or have elevated ketone levels to burn fat from your diet or body.
Ketosis is an alternative pathway that your body uses to burn fat in the citric acid cycle when you don’t have enough carbs and protein available for energy production.
When you eat enough carbohydrates or protein, you will be burning fat in the default citric acid cycle.
If you eat a satiating diet that leads to an energy deficit with adequate protein, you may have lower ketones, but you will still be burning fat.
Measuring blood ketones is of limited use to guide your dietary choices because it is hard to know whether the fat is coming from your body or your food.”
Says the guy who gets his fat burning "Magic Bullet" out of a can.
Ha!
You have No Idea what it's like to be Human.
Keep the Net Carbs < to 20 g./day, and you will be in ketosis, burning Fat, and only fat, all the time.
Dietary or stored, depending on your intake.
Simple as that.
Sugar - is the "every Three hours" baby food, for Storing fat, and you are addicted to it.
There's more than one way to skin the whole "body composition" cat with regards to fasting or not, carbs or no carbs, high fat or moderate fat, etc. But for decades, many/most of the people who look lean as part of their job eat like this most days:
They do it because it will keep them lean, fuel their activities, and keep them healthy/well while doing it. Most obese people are not fat from eating too much steak, rice, and green beans. It's generally burgers, chips, alcohol, pizza, ice cream, fried stuff, salad dressings, and oversized portions of all while moving very little. There's very seldom a smoking gun with regards to just one culprit like sugar, carbs, fats, or alcohol.
When I'm getting a bit fluffy around the midsection, it's usually due to too many junky snacks, too much alcohol, and not enough basic meat/veg/starch meals each week.
Its not that simple. I've done physical work and know plenty who have. Most of them are/were fat. Back in the day my Dad ran a little construction company and I worked with him during summers in high school and college and a little bit after. If there is any harder work than putting on metal roofs in South Georgia in the summer, I don't want none of it....but in reality anything else where you are active in the elements is probably about the same. Lifting and toting.
I wasn't obese but I had a little gut going between age 17-21 or so, and Dad was pretty chunky in those days. Our hours were 7:30 am till 3:30 pm plus if we did overtime. Here is what we ate. Breakfast was usually grits and eggs. Dad probably had coffee and I had OJ. At 9:00 am we would have "break" and eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with sweet tea. Lunch would be two big ass flip top head sammiches my Mom made along with some cookies and or a bananna and a quart of sweet tea. Supper was traditional southern food potatoes, rice, garden vegs, peas, etc with more sweet tea. We were consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates and simple sugars and we both had the fat around the middle that is a signal of insulin resistance.
Point being, you can out eat any program of physical activity whether you do it for work or not. Everyone has heard the phrase "work up an appetite". Its real.
Its not that simple. I've done physical work and know plenty who have. Most of them are/were fat. Back in the day my Dad ran a little construction company and I worked with him during summers in high school and college and a little bit after. If there is any harder work than putting on metal roofs in South Georgia in the summer, I don't want none of it....but in reality anything else where you are active in the elements is probably about the same. Lifting and toting.
I wasn't obese but I had a little gut going between age 17-21 or so, and Dad was pretty chunky in those days. Our hours were 7:30 am till 3:30 pm plus if we did overtime. Here is what we ate. Breakfast was usually grits and eggs. Dad probably had coffee and I had OJ. At 9:00 pm we would have "break" and eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with sweet tea. Lunch would be two big ass flip top head sammiches my Mom made along with some cookies and or a bananna and a quart of sweet tea. Supper was traditional southern food potatoes, rice, garden vegs, peas, etc with more sweet tea. We were consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates and simple sugars and we both had the fat around the middle that is a signal of insulin resistance.
Point being, you can out eat any program of physical activity whether you do it for work or not. Everyone has heard the phrase "work up an appetite". Its real.
Which is the genetics part first and then how much energy expended vs how much is taken in based on the genetics.
You can't gain weight out working your consumption.
These diets are fine for people that consume more than the deplete.
Saying it best for every 'human' is ridiculous.
You have to know that this human/nonhuman speak is virtue signaling, counter culture, wokism bullchit.
Its not that simple. I've done physical work and know plenty who have. Most of them are/were fat. Back in the day my Dad ran a little construction company and I worked with him during summers in high school and college and a little bit after. If there is any harder work than putting on metal roofs in South Georgia in the summer, I don't want none of it....but in reality anything else where you are active in the elements is probably about the same. Lifting and toting.
I wasn't obese but I had a little gut going between age 17-21 or so, and Dad was pretty chunky in those days. Our hours were 7:30 am till 3:30 pm plus if we did overtime. Here is what we ate. Breakfast was usually grits and eggs. Dad probably had coffee and I had OJ. At 9:00 pm we would have "break" and eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with sweet tea. Lunch would be two big ass flip top head sammiches my Mom made along with some cookies and or a bananna and a quart of sweet tea. Supper was traditional southern food potatoes, rice, garden vegs, peas, etc with more sweet tea. We were consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates and simple sugars and we both had the fat around the middle that is a signal of insulin resistance.
Point being, you can out eat any program of physical activity whether you do it for work or not. Everyone has heard the phrase "work up an appetite". Its real.
Which is the genetics part first and then how much energy expended vs how much is taken in based on the genetics.
You can't gain weight out working your consumption.
These diets are fine for people that consume more than the deplete.
Saying it best for every 'human' is ridiculous.
You have to know that this human/nonhuman speak is virtue signaling, counter culture, wokism bullchit.
That's the thing.
Kent
Aaaah, no.
Think of Sugar as gasoline, and fat as Diesel fuel.
Drive all you want in your gasoline truck, and you will need to fill up "every Three hours," and will have all kinds of problems if you don't.
The Diesel truck not only has its fuel tanks, but when they run low, it also has all the fuel stored in the trailer behind it.
Ketosis - is simply tapping the trailer.
The Human body doesn't store much sugar, only as a reserve.
Bulk energy storage is fat, consumed for long term use as ketones.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
I respect your comments here Kent but this Simplified Generalization is uninformed and lazy.
The generalization of fasting on the human populous is more of a generalization and definitely lazy.
Kent
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
Furthermore, Garandimal's comment below is exactly correct. “8-10 Million years as Hominids.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
I don't know that it would be possible to eat enough carbs to be an issue if they all came from vegetables that weren't ultra processed or added to.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
Still has zero to do with fasting or why a fasting protocol is beneficial.
Fasting is one way to decrease intake, but eating two times a day like I do now isn't fasting, it's a catch phrase... but whatever.
Fasting for multiple days is fasting, I haven't said a damn thing against it if you have the down time to do it.
Do you agree with Garandimal that you can run full bore for a full week not eating... when few people today don't even know what full bore means.
It's not working out an hour, riding the bike an hour and walking an hour.
Kent
I started the thread because there is very sound scientific evidence for a wide variety of health benefits gained by maintaining a very specific timed feeding schedule each day. That is regardless of how many calories ingested or in what form. It has benefits in weight loss for overweight individuals, but it even increases performance in elite athletes. It improves many different bio markers simply by not consuming any calories for a specific time every day. It's all about the time without calories. That's it.
It would seem to me that the main issue with Carbohydrates in highly processed forms is their quick absorption. This can lead to spikes in blood sugar, which necessitates larger amounts of insulin to be produced. This can lead to constant swings of high and low blood sugar levels.
Exactly. People talk about "cutting out carbs" but don't realize all vegetables have carbs. You need to look at the glycemic index, which is all over the map for vegetables, including grains.
First - Fiber is put into the Carb category, but contains no usable calories.
So, need to look at "Net Carbs."
Of which, the healthy for human vegetables are very low in them.
A half pound of cabbage/broccoli/scalions/beet greens/etc., will still keep one's Net Carbs under 20 g./day.
And then you are not running on Sugar, which is the "every Three hours" fuel for babies... but ketones, from fat, the fuel for adult Humans.
GR
I don't know that it would be possible to eat enough carbs to be an issue if they all came from vegetables that weren't ultra processed or added to.
If you eliminate root vegetables.
First eliminate the ones that you need to cook.
They are the worst.
Then carrots and yellow onions.
~ 1/2 lb. of cabbage/broccoli/brussels sprouts/scalions/beet greens/etc., and an avocado, works out about right for < 20 g. net carbs/day.
The rest should be fat and protein, based on your needs.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
I respect your comments here Kent but this Simplified Generalization is uninformed and lazy.
The generalization of fasting on the human populous is more of a generalization and definitely lazy.
Kent
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
Furthermore, Garandimal's comment below is exactly correct. “8-10 Million years as Hominids.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
So what is the Human diet?”
Your diet does not make you a duplicate of those peoples, I don't understand why this is even being used as dietary argument.
Stay with the diet works to reduce fat, as most diets do if you lack activity.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
Still has zero to do with fasting or why a fasting protocol is beneficial.
Fasting is one way to decrease intake, but eating two times a day like I do now isn't fasting, it's a catch phrase... but whatever.
Fasting for multiple days is fasting, I haven't said a damn thing against it if you have the down time to do it.
Do you agree with Garandimal that you can run full bore for a full week not eating... when few people today don't even know what full bore means.
It's not working out an hour, riding the bike an hour and walking an hour.
Kent
I started the thread because there is very sound scientific evidence for a wide variety of health benefits gained by maintaining a very specific timed feeding schedule each day. That is regardless of how many calories ingested or in what form. It has benefits in weight loss for overweight individuals, but it even increases performance in elite athletes. It improves many different bio markers simply by not consuming any calories for a specific time every day. It's all about the time without calories. That's it.
But without ketosis, after Three hours, the Human body on a baby food diet will begin to starve, and go into withdrawals, which also depresses the metabolism.
Fasting really works, painlessly and efficiently, if you are in ketosis.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
I respect your comments here Kent but this Simplified Generalization is uninformed and lazy.
The generalization of fasting on the human populous is more of a generalization and definitely lazy.
Kent
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
Furthermore, Garandimal's comment below is exactly correct. “8-10 Million years as Hominids.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
So what is the Human diet?”
Your diet does not make you a duplicate of those peoples, I don't understand why this is even being used as dietary argument.
Stay with the diet works to reduce fat, as most diets do if you lack activity.
Kent
So, prove to us how the Human body has evolved, in a few Thousand years, compared to the evolutionary diet developed, without cooking fire, for the previous Eight to Ten Million years?
Don't know what you feel you are... but I know that I'm Human.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
Still has zero to do with fasting or why a fasting protocol is beneficial.
Fasting is one way to decrease intake, but eating two times a day like I do now isn't fasting, it's a catch phrase... but whatever.
Fasting for multiple days is fasting, I haven't said a damn thing against it if you have the down time to do it.
Do you agree with Garandimal that you can run full bore for a full week not eating... when few people today don't even know what full bore means.
It's not working out an hour, riding the bike an hour and walking an hour.
Kent
I started the thread because there is very sound scientific evidence for a wide variety of health benefits gained by maintaining a very specific timed feeding schedule each day. That is regardless of how many calories ingested or in what form. It has benefits in weight loss for overweight individuals, but it even increases performance in elite athletes. It improves many different bio markers simply by not consuming any calories for a specific time every day. It's all about the time without calories. That's it.
Well that's not where this thread has run to... maybe correct the guys saying you can run full out for a week no nutrients.
Everyone else is a nonhuman.
Again this is nothing new, lots of people have eaten once or twice a day before someone put a name to it. Most days I eat twice a day. IM has been around for at least 5 years that I know of.
Lots of people have fasted for medical benefits for thousands of years.
I guarantee though if I'm packing into a wilderness elk hunt, space and weight is important. I'm packing as much energy in the smallest package, will include sugars.
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Kent
But on the plus side it does make those who avoid sugars altogether really obvious to the rest of us.
The Human body - processes and responds to different foods, differently.
No chit Sherlock, that's why high activity processes high energy foods.
Kent
And pencils make spelling mistakes.
Metabolic Activity - is a math problem.
But with different factors based on the food.
Fat - is 9 cal./gram, and converts into high O2 content ketones.
Carbs - are 4 cal./gram, and convert to sugar, an inferior fuel, which your body really want to then convert to fat.
Metabolic Activity - on sugar - is only sustained with "every Three hour" baby food, or you are starving.
Metabolic Activity - on fat - runs on ketones, whether dietary or stored, for as long as it's available.
GR
Work hard = eat hard Layabout = diet
Every human varies in that degree.
Kent
Still has zero to do with fasting or why a fasting protocol is beneficial.
Fasting is one way to decrease intake, but eating two times a day like I do now isn't fasting, it's a catch phrase... but whatever.
Fasting for multiple days is fasting, I haven't said a damn thing against it if you have the down time to do it.
Do you agree with Garandimal that you can run full bore for a full week not eating... when few people today don't even know what full bore means.
It's not working out an hour, riding the bike an hour and walking an hour.
Kent
I started the thread because there is very sound scientific evidence for a wide variety of health benefits gained by maintaining a very specific timed feeding schedule each day. That is regardless of how many calories ingested or in what form. It has benefits in weight loss for overweight individuals, but it even increases performance in elite athletes. It improves many different bio markers simply by not consuming any calories for a specific time every day. It's all about the time without calories. That's it.
Well that's not where this thread has run to... maybe correct the guys saying you can run full out for a week no nutrients.
Everyone else is a nonhuman.
Again this is nothing new, lots of people have eaten once or twice a day before someone put a name to it. Most days I eat twice a day. IM has been around for at least 5 years that I know of.
Lots of people have fasted for medical benefits for thousands of years.
I guarantee though if I'm packing into a wilderness elk hunt, space and weight is important. I'm packing as much energy in the smallest package, will include sugars.
The hyperbole is out of line on this.
Kent
Then you are not paying attention, or learning anything.
Dietary Carbs - 4 cal./gram. Dietary Fat - 9 cal./gram. Fat in your "dunlap" - 4085 cal./pound.
Pack water and salt, you probably have months worth of "dunlap."
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Kent
You should write children's books.
The Human body, including the brain, runs Better on ketones, and is accelerated during a fast.
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Kent
Keytones are actually a better energy source for the brain than glucose. More ATP is produced per molecule.
I'm not arguing any specific diet, just that point.
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
How many converts do you think Andrew Fuggin' Carnegie has made on this thread?
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Kent
Keytones are actually a better energy source for the brain than glucose. More ATP is produced per molecule.
I'm not arguing any specific diet, just that point.
And it's produced from fat which comes from... sugars...
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
How many converts do you think Andrew Fuggin' Carnegie has made on this thread?
Do you mean Huberman? I doubt there's many smart enough or interested enough in their health to watch it. I bet not one of the most vocal have.
Well gentleman when the Super Morbidly Obese start contributing to the topic, its time for me to say "See you Later" lol
Cheers
Go post some more desert recipes keto kùnt.
So I take it that by my comment, you thought I meant that you were the ELEPHANT in the room?
When did I say I didn't eat dessert and I never said I was on a Keto diet, Blubber Boy?
If you took the time to read the thread, you would have noticed I said I eat 1 time per day, unlike you that feeds continuously, like a cow at a feedlot lol
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
Like any diet, it won't fix you if you don't exercise, and you don't need it if you exercise enough already to maintain and you have good genetics. Pointing that out when just the diet is being discussed shouldn't be a problem in discussion.
Again I see you don't address the hyperbole issue from another poster even when I asked for an opinion.
Nothing I've said is bullchit, eat less in any form or timeframe and you will lose weight or not gain as much. Not earth shattering.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
Ya, the problem with some of these diets is once you depleted your stored sugars, the brain gets under fed, it's runs on sugars and why it tries to make you eat them. That's why there's limits suggested to no carb diets.
Kent
Keytones are actually a better energy source for the brain than glucose. More ATP is produced per molecule.
I'm not arguing any specific diet, just that point.
And it's produced from fat which comes from... sugars...
Kent
Not so.
It comes from fat. Period.
The Human body, when exposed to sugar, will: - Crave more. - Cause blood sugar spikes. - Store as much as possible as fat. - Starve without it. - Go through Withdrawals when removed from it.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
The amount of activity needed to complete a days work for the average person in 1900 would stagger most people today. The amount of activity needed to survive 1000 or 3000 years ago would stagger someone in 1900.
High energy foods were sought after, they would have done better on twinkies and sugar pops than the monothetic foods they had available.
A Paleo activity regime would keep you heathier than a Paleo diet.
But that won't happen, so any starvation/fast diet will work to burn stored fat if you take in less energy than you release.
If your activity level is high enough you can eat whatever you want.
I sometimes rub people the wrong way when I get on this topic. I seriously don't mean to. Nothing...and I do mean nothing has improved my life more than getting totally committed to my diet. I didn't even know just how miserable I was until I wasn't. Committing to a low carb lifestyle saved my life. Most of my life I was a long, lean, active person.
In my late 50's I let food control me. I loved to eat. I was drinking whiskey way more than I should have. And I did to excess. I was tangling with numerous fire members. My life was a mess. Then I got diagnosed with diabetes. That diagnosis changed everything. I changed everything on that day and refuse to give up.
I completely transformed my life.
I humble myself so that i can hopefully inspire someone to do the same.
This was me when I ate bread, pasta, fries, hash browns, desserts, all of those incredibly fantastic tasting things and drinking nightly.
I was a gross mess at 6' 2 270 lbs. I was depressed, angry and nearly suicidal.
That was 5 or 6 years ago.
It took less than a year to shed all of that weight. Going low carb saved my life. I'll preach it from the highest mountain.
This is me at 62 years old after committing myself to a low carb and intermittent fasting lifestyle. I weigh myself every day, I'm between 193 and 200.
My life was absolutely transformed from a miserable, angry mess. Everything changed. I just want you guys to know that you can make changes.
I generally have liked what I have heard Huberman say, and he looks like he lives his own advice.
But does anyone have a link handy for a video from a skinny scientologist chiropractor who clearly has impure thoughts about other men? I remember one (some?) being posted in the thread but can't be bothered to scroll around to find it.
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
At the end of the day, this is all that should matter to you !
But, it doesn't mean that it's right for everybody !
Congrats to you, & the OP Clarky, for doing something for you selves & loved ones.
Well gentleman when the Super Morbidly Obese start contributing to the topic, its time for me to say "See you Later" lol
Cheers
Go post some more desert recipes keto kùnt.
So I take it that by my comment, you thought I meant that you were the ELEPHANT in the room?
When did I say I didn't eat dessert and I never said I was on a Keto diet, Blubber Boy?
If you took the time to read the thread, you would have noticed I said I eat 1 time per day, unlike you that feeds continuously, like a cow at a feedlot lol
But without ketosis, after Three hours, the Human body on a baby food diet will begin to starve, and go into withdrawals, which also depresses the metabolism.
GR
You keep harping on about "a baby food diet", like it's something everybody eats !
Here's my point, eat healthy + physical activity ='s Being healthy.
But without ketosis, after Three hours, the Human body on a baby food diet will begin to starve, and go into withdrawals, which also depresses the metabolism.
GR
You keep harping on about "a baby food diet", like it's something everybody eats !
Here's my point, eat healthy + physical activity ='s Being healthy.
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
Like any diet, it won't fix you if you don't exercise, and you don't need it if you exercise enough already to maintain and you have good genetics. Pointing that out when just the diet is being discussed shouldn't be a problem in discussion.
Again I see you don't address the hyperbole issue from another poster even when I asked for an opinion.
Nothing I've said is bullchit, eat less in any form or timeframe and you will lose weight or not gain as much. Not earth shattering.
Kent
I was just trying to remove the notion that I posted the original video as a diet. That would however be obvious to anyone who had watched even a little of it, and the information is more earth shattering than you know unfortunately.
"One size does not fit all" and that certainly applies here to individuals (which we all are) on many topics including health, dieting, etc. Hell, it applies to firearms, handloading, cartridge choice, blonds, brunettes, redheads, Alaska vs Idaho vs Alabama as a place to live, ... and the list goes on.
Much of the information here is very valid and applicable to many people even if it does not apply to you personally. Congratulations to Mr. Clark and others who have benefitted from these theories and knowledge! Much better, IMHO. than chasing the follies of much of modern medicine or living in ignorance and doing nothing... it will catch up to you eventually.
If you can't relate to these types of problems, you are either very disciplined, lucky. or blessed with good metabolic genes. That is OK, too. Go comment on another thread or forum that you can add something useful to and benefit the site.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't. Clothes are tight and uncomfortable. You hate looking in the mirror. You ain't having much sex. You're angry all the time. You have zero endurance and energy. Yeah...obnoxious.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
I almost didn't use the Andrew Carnegie reference because I know I'm old but I just assume most here are also. All my cultural references have become useless.
Andrew Carnegie was the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People", said book was known to most everyone who had ever read a book not that long ago.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
Posting the same video six times in one thread could be a sign you need to seek help....
Like a billboard... for stupid people.
Watched any of'em?
GR
Tunnel vision zealotry has killed more people than sugar. Just sayin.......
Which is why information is crucial in making good decisions? The Andrew Huberman videos are good information, unless you already know EVERYTHING. I call that tunnel vision and a zealot in pushing your own opinion.
Like any diet, it won't fix you if you don't exercise, and you don't need it if you exercise enough already to maintain and you have good genetics. Pointing that out when just the diet is being discussed shouldn't be a problem in discussion.
Again I see you don't address the hyperbole issue from another poster even when I asked for an opinion.
Nothing I've said is bullchit, eat less in any form or timeframe and you will lose weight or not gain as much. Not earth shattering.
Kent
I was just trying to remove the notion that I posted the original video as a diet. That would however be obvious to anyone who had watched even a little of it, and the information is more earth shattering than you know unfortunately.
Ok, it's 5 years late to the party for IM, I guess most of us already knew about it.
But the go 7 days working on the jobsite 10 hours a day or packed in and out elk hunting without eating is a bit much.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
At the end of the day, this is all that should matter to you !
But, it doesn't mean that it's right for everybody !
Congrats to you, & the OP Clarky, for doing something for you selves & loved ones.
What a 21st century observation. I sick for reading it.
This will cheer you up:
60 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese by 2030
Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs.
Not from IM Fasting and Keto, that's for damn sure.
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
At the end of the day, this is all that should matter to you !
But, it doesn't mean that it's right for everybody !
Congrats to you, & the OP Clarky, for doing something for you selves & loved ones.
No, just for Humans.
Ya prissy bitch.
Ha!
GR
Oh, musta struck someones nerve !
So, I'm a prissy bitch, for not needing to follow along with you & are willing to call you out on your fairy tale ?
I am living proof that intermittent fasting and staying in Ketosis works, before I started on my new lifestyle I researched the chit out of it.
The is NOTHING anyone of you Intermittent Fasting Haters can say that will convince me that isn't the best option for me or that it does not work or isn't the healthiest way for me to eat.
At the end of the day, this is all that should matter to you !
But, it doesn't mean that it's right for everybody !
Congrats to you, & the OP Clarky, for doing something for you selves & loved ones.
No, just for Humans.
Ya prissy bitch.
Ha!
GR
Oh, musta struck someones nerve !
So, I'm a prissy bitch, for not needing to follow along with you & are willing to call you out on your fairy tale ?
Guess, my genetics, are just better than yours !
No, for thinkin' insulting me makes you anything but a prissy bitch.
So ya know.
Your genetics - are at best a freak of nature, and will most likely fade with age.
What a 21st century observation. I sick for reading it.
This will cheer you up:
60 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese by 2030
Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs.
Not from IM Fasting and Keto, that's for damn sure.
GR
What's the standard used, to measure U.S. obesity ?
At 57, 5'11" & 181lbs, I have never dieted, in any any format, a day in my life.
You've seen how we eat, basically "almost" no processed foods & 0.1% fast food.
Work hard every day, stay active.
Real butter, farm eggs, honey, avocardo, deer meat, fresh fish, garden veg et al !!!
Ain't the same shape as I was as a sportsman, but not too shabby, either.
No issues with me!
Consider yourself fortunate and I know many people like you that could eat all they want, not work out, and were Ripped, always pissed me off lol.
Unfortunately for me, I have had, (ALL MY LIFE) a very slow metabolism, and could easily gain weight all of my life, I have always had to watch what I eat.
If I ate three meals a day even when I was 18, I could gain 15 to 20 lbs. a month, no problem, even when I was working out like an animal.
Intermittent Fasting keeps my weight in check, I do not have to eat more than once a day, other people I know if they miss a meal they tell me they get headaches.
What a 21st century observation. I sick for reading it.
This will cheer you up:
60 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese by 2030
Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs.
Not from IM Fasting and Keto, that's for damn sure.
GR
What's the standard used, to measure U.S. obesity ?
Sure, better not be BMI !
Sloppy fat not good enough for you?
The Food Industry love to attack the light as well.
What a 21st century observation. I sick for reading it.
This will cheer you up:
60 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese by 2030
Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs.
Not from IM Fasting and Keto, that's for damn sure.
GR
What's the standard used, to measure U.S. obesity ?
Sure, better not be BMI !
Sloppy fat not good enough for you?
If you'd been bothered to read any of my posts, you'd know the answer is no.
The Food Industry love to attack the light as well.
No different to big pharma, or even the supplement industry
Everybody that's still arguing over what food to eat. Did any of ya'll watch the video I posted on this thread's first post? I don't think so. Just an FYI, there's more benefits to be had from only eating at a specific time than by what you eat given you are still getting complete nutrition.
I’ve never had to diet, I’ve never had a weight problem or blood sugar issues, I’ve never had high BP or elevated cholesterol levels. Just because I don’t have those problems and I attribute that to my diet and how often I eat as a matter of habit and nothing else. I use real butter NOT margarine, real cream not substitute creamer and I eat what I want when I want without worry….BUT that might not be something that would work for another person so I don’t “push” my way on others. There are A LOT of ways to skin this cat and NO ONE WAY is right for everyone. We all have different lifestyles, habits and metabolisms and the most successful diets are the ones that are adhered to and maintained over time, that’s where a lot of people and diets fall short. It’s great to drop the weight and it feels good to look good but if the radical diets and changes are too difficult to maintain then the benefit of the diet itself is a waste of time.
There’s no right answer for everyone based upon the individuality of the dieter. While there are basic truths that apply to us all since we’re Homo sapiens the intricacies of the individual might dictate deviation from standard practices within the diet itself. Those who are diabetic are particularly cautioned to be careful when dieting as it obviously can significantly affect their glucose levels.
My maternal grandmother was a strong, stoic woman who was the product of the depression. Grandma battled ovarian, breast and another cancer or 2 throughout her life. She was always victorious and too tough to be killed by cancer. Grandma developed type II diabetes at some point in her later life which was a result of her gaining weight post cancer treatment. If grandma got her weight down the diabetes would go away, if grandma gained weight the diabetes came back. For grandma if she had baked halibut or chicken breast for dinner every day she’d lose weight and the diabetes. If grandma had hamburgers and fried chicken she’d gain weight and diabetes.
For some of us it’s very simple but for others it’s an existential battle against weight and food. We all have a cross to bear whether it’s food, sex, drugs, alcohol, work, whatever….I don’t look down on those that have overcome those hurdles and in fact have great respect for people like that.
What a 21st century observation. I sick for reading it.
This will cheer you up:
60 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese by 2030
Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs.
Not from IM Fasting and Keto, that's for damn sure.
GR
What's the standard used, to measure U.S. obesity ?
Sure, better not be BMI !
Sloppy fat not good enough for you?
If you'd been bothered to read any of my posts, you'd know the answer is no.
The Food Industry love to attack the light as well.
No different to big pharma, or even the supplement industry
How about the ability to do Ten pull-ups?
Oh, I think I can, maybe more
Ha!
GR
That's not a measurement !
It's a metric... and a fact.
Fat A s s American "every Three hours" baby food diet.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
Still waiting on the standard of measurement, for the U.S. obesity label, that you posted ?
Not that I disagree with the statement !
In my observations of people I see in my travels and daily life I can say that there’s no chart or standard of measurement need to see how fat society has gotten. From young kids on up to seniors the gross obesity in society is impossible to miss.
Still waiting on the standard of measurement, for the U.S. obesity label, that you posted ?
Not that I disagree with the statement !
In my observations of people I see in my travels and daily life I can say that there’s no chart or standard of measurement need to see how fat society has gotten. From young kids on up to seniors the gross obesity in society is impossible to miss.
Obfuscating deniers want a decimal point, and then attack the BMI to keep from getting one.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
Still waiting on the standard of measurement, for the U.S. obesity label, that you posted ?
Not that I disagree with the statement !
In my observations of people I see in my travels and daily life I can say that there’s no chart or standard of measurement need to see how fat society has gotten. From young kids on up to seniors the gross obesity in society is impossible to miss.
Ain't that the truth hey Aces?
Blubber Boys and Blubber Gals abound EVERYWHERE.
The saddest thing is to see all of the morbidly obese children these days!
Still waiting on the standard of measurement, for the U.S. obesity label, that you posted ?
Not that I disagree with the statement !
In my observations of people I see in my travels and daily life I can say that there’s no chart or standard of measurement need to see how fat society has gotten. From young kids on up to seniors the gross obesity in society is impossible to miss.
Thanks for that Aces, as above, I don't disagree with the generality of the statement, but looking for the measuring "tool", Grandy was alluding to, in his statement.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
You don't know until you live it. I don't know why guys get offended. Fughk. I was fat and miserable. I turned it around and guys defend being fat and miserable..??? If you are happy there, just stay there.
I developed diabetes a few months after I killed a sheep in AK. Wtf is wrong with me? Maybe I need some of that healthy scotch. What do you recommend? Sorry if that is hijacking.
I developed diabetes a few months after I killed a sheep in AK. Wtf is wrong with me? Maybe I need some of that healthy scotch. What do you recommend? Sorry if that is hijacking.
You can eat a high carbohydrate diet and stay healthy and lean. I'm pretty sure you can't do it on a majority high sugar and processed food high carb diet.
You can eat a high carbohydrate diet and stay healthy and lean. I'm pretty sure you can't do it on a majority high sugar and processed food high carb diet.
I developed diabetes a few months after I killed a sheep in AK. Wtf is wrong with me? Maybe I need some of that healthy scotch. What do you recommend? Sorry if that is hijacking.
All part of the Human diet.
GR
Apparently a virus attacked my pancreas. I was in sheep shape at the time. Will changing my diet reverse that? I eat low carb ever since. It's been 20 years. I'm 5'10" and was down to the mid 150s. Lost muscle and strength. I find about 175 is a good weight. But the diabetes isn't going away. My wife the naturopath has tried everything. Point is, it ain't the weight or what I eat.
Edit to add. I'm not type 2. They call me a 1.5. not full type 1 but need a shot of insulin every day. But I'm m thinking a shot of scotch might just be the ticket.
Fung makes good points, the videos are good, his book better.
This topic comes up often here and the same people that joke, or dismiss it chime in and so do the supporters, or believers I guess. So naturally, these folks won't change and that's no big deal. But there are plenty of new people that may look at the topic with an open mind.
I originally read that the introduction of agriculture caused the rise in obesity, however, it seems more logical that obesity really went on the rise with the departure from three meals a day to five, six and seven calling snacks a meal and ditching protein and fat for carbs, and carbs, and more carbs. What was that, late 70's, early 80's? Also consistent with a Democrat, George McGovern's 1977 Dietary Goals for the US.
The biggest challenge in my experience is when "fasting" is a topic, people say oh hell no, I can't go without a meal, I would starve and be hungry all the time. And that is simply not true after a few days.
Oddly I started my most strict fast, water, no caffeine other than two cappuccino's in the morning on 7/5 at 205.5, this morning I was 189.75, the lowest since college.
I still workout three days a week and lift the same weight as before. I am not trying to build muscle, only to stay limber and stronge, mostly for motorcycle trackdays, maintain what I have and be better prepared for a crash.
Blood glucose morning readings were 105-124 prior to the fast, 74-80 after.
Ketones are steady at 40 mg/dl.
Blood oxygen is 96-99, not sure that has anything to do with fasting.
Probably one important point to consider: Big Pharma and Big Food don't discuss fasting knowing if the mass population figured out the truth and could cure their own obesity and health issues for free, those industries would go fk'n broke.
For the previous comments, my approach that has worked since 2019 following Primal Blueprint, is roughly 60% fat, 1.5g/lb of lean body mass protein and the remainder carbs. Sisson doesn't count vegetable carbs so neither have I and eat plenty of vegetables.
I'm just here to ask the question: does anyone think 3 meals s day, or even eating every day was "normal" for most of human history?
Dad has to eat three a day.
They are light meals...especially now that he is retired....but he has to eat something.
Remember posting this diner of yours Blubber Boy? My only surprise was that it wasn't a Keg of Miller.
As I said the first time, in my house that would feed three people and you may want to consider taking it easy on the Bottled Dressing too, salad is not supposed to look like a dressing soup, it's also loaded in FAT and Calories, the last thing you need!
You are no authority on weight control, and your posts here are ridiculous!
This thread is about fasting and not Gluttony! lol
100% correct, and unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, the only way to get into Ketosis is to restrict your caloric intake. Not Complicated!
Clarks claims he can eat as much as he wants and still lose fat/weight.
He ain't much different to you and your bullschit " sugar intake is the leading cause of diabetes".
Time for believers to double down on "Sugar is the devi" preaching crapola
I'm just here to ask the question: does anyone think 3 meals s day, or even eating every day was "normal" for most of human history?
Dad has to eat three a day.
They are light meals...especially now that he is retired....but he has to eat something.
Remember posting this diner of yours Blubber Boy? My only surprise was that it wasn't a Keg of Miller.
As I said the first time, in my house that would feed three people and you may want to consider taking it easy on the Bottled Dressing too, salad is not supposed to look like a dressing soup, it's also loaded in FAT and Calories, the last thing you need!
You are no authority on weight control, and your posts here are ridiculous!
This thread is about fasting and not Gluttony! lol
No wonder your fake doctor wife stays in a different place.
I'm just here to ask the question: does anyone think 3 meals s day, or even eating every day was "normal" for most of human history?
Dad has to eat three a day.
They are light meals...especially now that he is retired....but he has to eat something.
My blood sugar dropped to the mid-50s this afternoon about 4 hours after lunch. Feels like crap. Fasting, other than sleeping ain't gonna work. Sometimes I wake up at night cause it's gone low. Need a midnight snack. A swig of maple syrup usually does the trick.
Light meals often, makes a lot of sense. Fuel the fire so to speak. Try to eat about half when I eat out.
Welcoming shirtless pictures from the naysayers. Bring em.
I’ve posted mine. If you think anyone else has the balls to hang their pics, don’t hold your breath
Here’s another, 5 years ago purposely trying to lose body fat
This was dieting down from 215, my normal weight. I ate protein and carbohydrates only and cut out as much fat intake as possible. Weighed 190 in the pic
I'm just here to ask the question: does anyone think 3 meals s day, or even eating every day was "normal" for most of human history?
Dad has to eat three a day.
They are light meals...especially now that he is retired....but he has to eat something.
Remember posting this diner of yours Blubber Boy? My only surprise was that it wasn't a Keg of Miller.
As I said the first time, in my house that would feed three people and you may want to consider taking it easy on the Bottled Dressing too, salad is not supposed to look like a dressing soup, it's also loaded in FAT and Calories, the last thing you need!
You are no authority on weight control, and your posts here are ridiculous!
This thread is about fasting and not Gluttony! lol
No wonder your fake doctor wife stays in a different place.
She can't stand to be around such a stupid bitch.
Fake Dr. Lard Ass?
Incorrect again, but please do explain to everyone here why you are posting on a fasting thread when you eat like a pig and weigh over 300 lbs.
Welcoming shirtless pictures from the naysayers. Bring em.
Dude.
You want em with or without oil?
Why?
You could do better. I want that for you. I don't understand the animosity. I was a fat fughking wreck.
The fact is that eliminating any one of the macronutrients or limiting them will result in weight loss
Like has been stated before, you must burn more calories than you take, and it’s a simple as that.
Having said that, there are better ways to do it. Your body does not need dietary fat. It needs about 1 tablespoon to get the fat soluble vitamins necessary
Carbohydrates should comprise 60% of your caloric intake
If you're livestock.
For Humans, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day work pretty will.
Why I look like I do in the pic.
GR
The one you harvested from your grinder account?
What's that, fat girl?
Do human men turn you on?
Get your man-boobs all up?
I might tell you why that pic was interesting enough to take in the first place, as it is the only one I have ever taken of myself.
GR
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard!
Had a lower back injury coupla years ago in the field.
Couldn't even get out of bed for more that a day or so at a time.
Took several years to get it sorted out.
And, in the mean time, I put on ~ 40 lbs, lost ~ 20 lbs of muscle mass, and had basically turned into a Manatee on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
So then I started getting back in shape, lifting/running/working... and modifying my diet on the simple principle that:
Hominins.
~ 10 Million years.
... 9.5 Million of them w/o Cooking Fire.
"If you can't eat it Raw... Don't eat it Cooked."
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
"Fast Food... Runs when you try to Kill It."
And the premise is not Cooked Food. But rather, things that you Can't Eat Raw,
...which Disqualifies them as Being food.
So, essentially I discovered Keto on my own, and then found it as research on the net.
This was ~ the first of April.
First of July, was gettin' ready to head out for a run and noticed I looked different in the mirror, so I took this shot with my phone, just to check.
Pretty productive Ninety days to me...
And have been strict < 20 g. Net Carbs Keto, and exercise, ever since.
Carbohydrates should comprise 60% of your caloric intake
If you're livestock.
For Humans, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day work pretty will.
Why I look like I do in the pic.
GR
The one you harvested from your grinder account?
What's that, fat girl?
Do human men turn you on?
Get your man-boobs all up?
I might tell you why that pic was interesting enough to take in the first place, as it is the only one I have ever taken of myself.
GR
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard!
Had a lower back injury coupla years ago in the field.
Couldn't even get out of bed for more that a day or so at a time.
Took several years to get it sorted out.
And, in the mean time, I put on ~ 40 lbs, lost ~ 20 lbs of muscle mass, and had basically turned into a Manatee on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
So then I started getting back in shape, lifting/running/working... and modifying my diet on the simple principle that:
Hominins.
~ 10 Million years.
... 9.5 Million of them w/o Cooking Fire.
"If you can't eat it Raw... Don't eat it Cooked."
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
"Fast Food... Runs when you try to Kill It."
"If you can't eat it Raw... Don't eat it Cooked."
And the premise is not Cooked Food. But rather, things that you Can't Eat Raw,
...which Disqualifies them as Being food.
So, essentially I discovered Keto on my own, and then found it as research on the net.
This was ~ the first of April.
First of July, was gettin' ready to head out for a run and noticed I looked different in the mirror, so I took this shot with my phone, just to check.
Pretty productive Ninety days to me...
And have been strict < 20 g. Net Carbs Keto, and exercise, ever since.
Welcoming shirtless pictures from the naysayers. Bring em.
Dude.
You want em with or without oil?
Why?
You could do better. I want that for you. I don't understand the animosity. I was a fat fughking wreck.
The fact is that eliminating any one of the macronutrients or limiting them will result in weight loss
Like has been stated before, you must burn more calories than you take, and it’s a simple as that.
Having said that, there are better ways to do it. Your body does not need dietary fat. It needs about 1 tablespoon to get the fat soluble vitamins necessary
It's not that simple.
Ketosis is the absolute fastest way to lose weight. Nothing else compares.
Welcoming shirtless pictures from the naysayers. Bring em.
Dude.
You want em with or without oil?
Why?
You could do better. I want that for you. I don't understand the animosity. I was a fat fughking wreck.
The fact is that eliminating any one of the macronutrients or limiting them will result in weight loss
Like has been stated before, you must burn more calories than you take, and it’s a simple as that.
Having said that, there are better ways to do it. Your body does not need dietary fat. It needs about 1 tablespoon to get the fat soluble vitamins necessary
It's not that simple.
Ketosis is the absolute fastest way to lose weight. Nothing else compares.
But is unhealthy and can’t be maintained for a lifelong diet
Carbohydrates should comprise 60% of your caloric intake
If you're livestock.
For Humans, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day work pretty will.
Why I look like I do in the pic.
GR
The one you harvested from your grinder account?
What's that, fat girl?
Do human men turn you on?
Get your man-boobs all up?
I might tell you why that pic was interesting enough to take in the first place, as it is the only one I have ever taken of myself.
GR
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard!
Had a lower back injury coupla years ago in the field.
Couldn't even get out of bed for more that a day or so at a time.
Took several years to get it sorted out.
And, in the mean time, I put on ~ 40 lbs, lost ~ 20 lbs of muscle mass, and had basically turned into a Manatee on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
So then I started getting back in shape, lifting/running/working... and modifying my diet on the simple principle that:
Hominins.
~ 10 Million years.
... 9.5 Million of them w/o Cooking Fire.
"If you can't eat it Raw... Don't eat it Cooked."
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
"Fast Food... Runs when you try to Kill It."
"If you can't eat it Raw... Don't eat it Cooked."
And the premise is not Cooked Food. But rather, things that you Can't Eat Raw,
...which Disqualifies them as Being food.
So, essentially I discovered Keto on my own, and then found it as research on the net.
This was ~ the first of April.
First of July, was gettin' ready to head out for a run and noticed I looked different in the mirror, so I took this shot with my phone, just to check.
Pretty productive Ninety days to me...
And have been strict < 20 g. Net Carbs Keto, and exercise, ever since.
Welcoming shirtless pictures from the naysayers. Bring em.
Dude.
You want em with or without oil?
Why?
You could do better. I want that for you. I don't understand the animosity. I was a fat fughking wreck.
The fact is that eliminating any one of the macronutrients or limiting them will result in weight loss
Like has been stated before, you must burn more calories than you take, and it’s a simple as that.
Having said that, there are better ways to do it. Your body does not need dietary fat. It needs about 1 tablespoon to get the fat soluble vitamins necessary
It's not that simple.
Ketosis is the absolute fastest way to lose weight. Nothing else compares.
But is unhealthy and can’t be maintained for a lifelong diet
That is the true test
How is it unhealthy?
Ketones are a better energy source that sugar, that's why the Human body stores it.
..unless you are in Ketosis you are not in fat-burning mode, .
💯Wrong
Keto lie #2: You have to be in Ketosis to burn fat
The Keto Cult fundamentalists seem to have little understanding of human metab. ..We don't burn one fuel exclusively as they wouid have some believe. It fluctuates according to Fed Vs Fast state and level of activity.
Is this you staring an enormous plate of food Blubber Boy?
If so you have more fat on your head than I have on my body, congratulations Lard Ass! lol
Keep going keto kùnt.
You said you didn't want to communicate anymore with me. Yet you can't help it.
You must be lonely since your fake doctor wife doesn't want to talk to a passive aggressive insecure bitch anymore.
Fùcking phoney.
You started it again Lard Ass.
Eventually, you will figure out that coming after me isn't worth your while.
So my advice is to stop, you have my word to never post anything about you, or to participate in any comments you make on any thread. Frankly, you are beneath me.
Is this you staring an enormous plate of food Blubber Boy?
If so you have more fat on your head than I have on my body, congratulations Lard Ass! lol
Keep going keto kùnt.
You said you didn't want to communicate anymore with me. Yet you can't help it.
You must be lonely since your fake doctor wife doesn't want to talk to a passive aggressive insecure bitch anymore.
Fùcking phoney.
You started it again Lard Ass.
Eventually, you will figure out that coming after me isn't worth your while.
So my advice is to stop, you have my word to never post anything about you, or to participate in any comments you make on any thread. Frankly, you are beneath me.
Pretty reasonable offer Blubber Boy!
You stupid phoney bitch.
You haven't typed a true statement since you got here. No wonder they [bleep] canned you everywhere else.
Keep me out of your thoughts you slimy cócksucker...unless you want to keep going.
I cut all sugar from my diet, except alcohol and incidental sugar intake, no cookies, pastries etc... I really only lost 4-5 lbs, but my weight 200lbs is more steady and doesn't fluctuate like it did previous. Also my gut health has improved, 100% for the better.
Sugar is a blood coagulant, as if a billion dollar industry is going to give you any info, they will give about as much as Phizer and Moderna concerning your health, so fugg all.
Doesn't seem to bother some people, but for others its poison.
What am I not getting, except a toxic level of sugar, in a < 20 Keto diet, salt, and chelated minerals?
GR
Lots of info on why KETOSIS is dangerous long term
I don't agree that ketosis is dangerous, ketoacidosis yes...I lost 50+ multiple times but it was not permanent over about 20 years.
Look it up
No, that is pointless because I can find plenty of sources that say it's not dangerous.
Just tell me why.
Now, a constant intake of protein is not good, but you said ketosis not continuous protein.
All you have to do is search why ketosis is dangerous. I’ve already posted one link with information. I don’t have to spoonfeed you. The information is out there.
What am I not getting, except a toxic level of sugar, in a < 20 Keto diet, salt, and chelated minerals?
GR
Lots of info on why KETOSIS is dangerous long term
I don't agree that ketosis is dangerous, ketoacidosis yes...I lost 50+ multiple times but it was not permanent over about 20 years.
Look it up
No, that is pointless because I can find plenty of sources that say it's not dangerous.
Just tell me why.
Now, a constant intake of protein is not good, but you said ketosis not continuous protein.
All you have to do is search why ketosis is dangerous. I’ve already posted one link with information. I don’t have to spoonfeed you. The information is out there.
What am I not getting, except a toxic level of sugar, in a < 20 Keto diet, salt, and chelated minerals?
GR
Lots of info on why KETOSIS is dangerous long term
I don't agree that ketosis is dangerous, ketoacidosis yes...I lost 50+ multiple times but it was not permanent over about 20 years.
Look it up
No, that is pointless because I can find plenty of sources that say it's not dangerous.
Just tell me why.
Now, a constant intake of protein is not good, but you said ketosis not continuous protein.
All you have to do is search why ketosis is dangerous. I’ve already posted one link with information. I don’t have to spoonfeed you. The information is out there.
No problem...first define "dangerous"
Fewer people will be eating at his spaghetti restaurant if Keto continues to get more mainstream?
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, ketones are simply the byproduct. If it were dangerous, we would not have survived because ketones were damn sure produced by those who had to fast due to food being unavailable. All the bullshit on the internet is just that, bullshit. Kidney issues are related to the large amount of protein on many keto diets, not ketones and not fat.
What am I not getting, except a toxic level of sugar, in a < 20 Keto diet, salt, and chelated minerals?
GR
Lots of info on why KETOSIS is dangerous long term
I don't agree that ketosis is dangerous, ketoacidosis yes...I lost 50+ multiple times but it was not permanent over about 20 years.
Look it up
No, that is pointless because I can find plenty of sources that say it's not dangerous.
Just tell me why.
Now, a constant intake of protein is not good, but you said ketosis not continuous protein.
All you have to do is search why ketosis is dangerous. I’ve already posted one link with information. I don’t have to spoonfeed you. The information is out there.
The AHA/USDA recommends the "every Three hours" baby food "Food Pyramid" diet.
While the CDC says that 60% of Americans are Obese.
You say it's "dangerous"... with no proof of meaningful research.
The thread is IF and that has many meanings, and they all have value.
Not sure if this is posted, but a 382 day fast...
Agostino "Angus" Giuseppe A Barbieri (1939 – 7 September 1990) was a Scottish man who fasted for 382 days, from June 1965 to July 1966. He lived on tea, coffee, sparkling water, and vitamins while living at home in Tayport, Scotland, and frequently visiting Maryfield Hospital for medical evaluation. He lost 276 pounds (125 kg) and set a record for the length of a fast.[1]
The thread is IF and that has many meanings, and they all have value.
Not sure if this is posted, but a 382 day fast...
Agostino "Angus" Giuseppe A Barbieri (1939 – 7 September 1990) was a Scottish man who fasted for 382 days, from June 1965 to July 1966. He lived on tea, coffee, sparkling water, and vitamins while living at home in Tayport, Scotland, and frequently visiting Maryfield Hospital for medical evaluation. He lost 276 pounds (125 kg) and set a record for the length of a fast.[1]
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, ketones are simply the byproduct. If it were dangerous, we would not have survived because ketones were damn sure produced by those who had to fast due to food being unavailable. All the bullshit on the internet is just that, bullshit. Kidney issues are related to the large amount of protein on many keto diets, not ketones and not fat.
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, ketones are simply the byproduct. If it were dangerous, we would not have survived because ketones were damn sure produced by those who had to fast due to food being unavailable. All the bullshit on the internet is just that, bullshit. Kidney issues are related to the large amount of protein on many keto diets, not ketones and not fat.
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, ketones are simply the byproduct. If it were dangerous, we would not have survived because ketones were damn sure produced by those who had to fast due to food being unavailable. All the bullshit on the internet is just that, bullshit. Kidney issues are related to the large amount of protein on many keto diets, not ketones and not fat.
This here^^^ Our ancestors weren't fat fuggs.
They would have been if they could have been!
Hahaha!
That is what we have today...they can, feast or famine, its a thing, or it used to be. Nothing wrong with abit of famine so long as its a choice lol..
Take a look at Jason Fung's book mentioned earlier in this thread... Obesity Code. This is the whole premise for his theories on obesity, weight loss, and the prevalence of insulin resistance in modern society... lots of factors at play. Diet, processed foods that promote hyperglycemia, sedentary lifestyle, sleep deprivation, stress, and "grazing" on small meals as recommended in the past by friends at .gov are but a few.
It made sense to me as well, in contrast to many other explanations out there for me as well based on his thoughts on insulin receptor "functional" dysfunction being based on chronic exposure to elevated levels of circulating insulin in the system. "resting" the system ie. fasting in this case helps restore insulin receptor function (? maybe #'s too for that matter.) A similar phenomenon occurs with chronic narcotic exposure and narcotic receptor dysfunction which explains "tolerance", "dependence", and ultimately in some cases, full fledged addiction. The problems with narcotics have become epidemic in our country... sometimes innocently after surgery, sometime because of experimentation/true abuse, and sometimes because of the recklessness/ignorance of practitioners. I have observed these phenomena in the OR and even with a few impaired practitioners and friends. Tolerance and dependence can be reversed over time with a controlled withdrawal (think fasting!!!) of the narcotics and a patient will again respond "normally" to pain meds when they are given. It just takes diligence and time. Full fledged addiction is no doubt harder because of the personality/behavior factors at play in many of these patients.
Seen it play out for 30 years and some just don't want to accept the facts of physiology and human behavior. Fung's theories on the evolutionary nature of out "guts" and the modern diet are very interesting as well. We evolved to thrive wrt our digestive tracts in an environment of feast and famine. Not rocket science and makes sense.
Sugar, not fat, makes fat people and muscle-heads smell like old cheese.
And 0.75-1.0 g. protein/lb. lean body mass/day isn't high protein... it's just about perfect protein for my activity level.
No sugar - just sweat, and not much of that, because ketones are more efficient.
Can go days sweating without stinking... all Humans can.
GR
Actually...with me it is dairy products, and the worst is cream. Sugar doesn't make me smell, it just makes me feel bloated and out of energy, coffee runs me down quickly after the initial hit as well.
Ask an Asian what Westerners smell like, it will make you self-conscious.
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, .
Not true. Depending on one's Fed or Fast state, activity level and respective insulin/glucagon level, the body will prioritise adipose over exogenous.
Makes sense.
I went through a period of training to improve muscle mass and ended up at the end of each program with extra body fat, as well as extra muscle of course, thanks to the high calorie intake (and proper diet). I was monitored and advised by a dietician throughout and used a reduced intake as well as HIIT to remove the excess body fat. It worked but it was hard work. I think many people try and avoid the "hard work" part and are looking for a miracle "diet only" cure.
Take a look at Jason Fung's book mentioned earlier in this thread... Obesity Code. This is the whole premise for his theories on obesity, weight loss, and the prevalence of insulin resistance in modern society... lots of factors at play. Diet, processed foods that promote hyperglycemia, sedentary lifestyle, sleep deprivation, stress, and "grazing" on small meals as recommended in the past by friends at .gov are but a few.
It made sense to me as well, in contrast to many other explanations out there for me as well based on his thoughts on insulin receptor "functional" dysfunction being based on chronic exposure to elevated levels of circulating insulin in the system. "resting" the system ie. fasting in this case helps restore insulin receptor function (? maybe #'s too for that matter.) A similar phenomenon occurs with chronic narcotic exposure and narcotic receptor dysfunction which explains "tolerance", "dependence", and ultimately in some cases, full fledged addiction. The problems with narcotics have become epidemic in our country... sometimes innocently after surgery, sometime because of experimentation/true abuse, and sometimes because of the recklessness/ignorance of practitioners. I have observed these phenomena in the OR and even with a few impaired practitioners and friends. Tolerance and dependence can be reversed over time with a controlled withdrawal (think fasting!!!) of the narcotics and a patient will again respond "normally" to pain meds when they are given. It just takes diligence and time. Full fledged addiction is no doubt harder because of the personality/behavior factors at play in many of these patients.
Seen it play out for 30 years and some just don't want to accept the facts of physiology and human behavior. Fung's theories on the evolutionary nature of out "guts" and the modern diet are very interesting as well. We evolved to thrive wrt our digestive tracts in an environment of feast and famine. Not rocket science and makes sense.
Nailed it. ^^^
For those that really care to understand how the body really works Dr. Fung gives it to you straight, no BS.
"A similar phenomenon occurs with chronic narcotic exposure and narcotic receptor dysfunction which explains "tolerance", "dependence", and ultimately in some cases, full fledged addiction."
The human body works the same way at the cellular level. your cells have receptor sites. when someone OD's on opiates they attach to the cell via these receptor sites. Narcan is administered to reverse the effect of opiates by blocking the receptor sites. That's just how the body works. The body receives sugar via receptor sites at the cells in the same manor. As with opiates the body develops a "dependence" for sugar. Just as the person with an addiction to opiates craves them when they quit using them. The body does the same with sugar. Its just how the body works. After correcting the sugar intake and change in diet the craving for sweets will go away. This is best done utilizing IM fasting.
Is this you staring an enormous plate of food Blubber Boy?
If so you have more fat on your head than I have on my body, congratulations Lard Ass! lol
Keep going keto kùnt.
You said you didn't want to communicate anymore with me. Yet you can't help it.
You must be lonely since your fake doctor wife doesn't want to talk to a passive aggressive insecure bitch anymore.
Fùcking phoney.
You started it again Lard Ass.
Eventually, you will figure out that coming after me isn't worth your while.
So my advice is to stop, you have my word to never post anything about you, or to participate in any comments you make on any thread. Frankly, you are beneath me.
Pretty reasonable offer Blubber Boy!
You stupid phoney bitch.
You haven't typed a true statement since you got here. No wonder they [bleep] canned you everywhere else.
Keep me out of your thoughts you slimy cócksucker...unless you want to keep going.
Guess you decided not to take my offer hey Lard Ass?
The only stupid homosexual here is you, I have not lied about a thing you fat pig.
What I do not understand is why a Super Morbidly Obese Slob like you would chime into a fasting thread. You have ZERO concept on anything related to health you big tub of chit.
You are so fat you could not even walk 50 yards without getting winded, your BMI is off the fat scale.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
Is this you staring an enormous plate of food Blubber Boy?
If so you have more fat on your head than I have on my body, congratulations Lard Ass! lol
Keep going keto kùnt.
You said you didn't want to communicate anymore with me. Yet you can't help it.
You must be lonely since your fake doctor wife doesn't want to talk to a passive aggressive insecure bitch anymore.
Fùcking phoney.
You started it again Lard Ass.
Eventually, you will figure out that coming after me isn't worth your while.
So my advice is to stop, you have my word to never post anything about you, or to participate in any comments you make on any thread. Frankly, you are beneath me.
Pretty reasonable offer Blubber Boy!
You stupid phoney bitch.
You haven't typed a true statement since you got here. No wonder they [bleep] canned you everywhere else.
Keep me out of your thoughts you slimy cócksucker...unless you want to keep going.
Guess you decided not to take my offer hey Lard Ass?
The only stupid homosexual here is you, I have not lied about a thing you fat pig.
What I do not understand is why a Super Morbidly Obese Slob like you would chime into a fasting thread. You have ZERO concept on anything related to health you big tub of chit.
You are so fat you could not even walk 50 yards without getting winded, your BMI is off the fat scale.
GFY
You had the opportunity....you slimy lying cócksucker. Threats now?
You had the opportunity....you slimy lying cócksucker. Threats now?
Go get boosted again bitch!
Don't sweat it Jim, the metrosexual ponce is in the minority and just hanging himself further out on the limb. You don't really think he is married to a woman...do you?
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL It's about like alcohol in that anyone would be better off without it but few can give it up. I didn't realize how addictive it was until I was off it. It triggers the same pleasure centers in the brain as cocaine. It's the most addictive, socially acceptable, and detrimental drug in the US.
Haven't you worked it out Goalie, they want everyone to do as they do because every single one of them think they are superior to everyone else.
Religious, vegan, climate, health, peta, etc nuts are all the same...they think they are better, and are too stupid to realise it is all ultimately useless because no one is getting out alive.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
Haven't you worked it out Goalie, they want everyone to do as they do because every single one of them think they are superior to everyone else.
Religious, vegan, climate, health, peta, etc nuts are all the same...they think they are better, and are too stupid to realise it is all ultimately useless because no one is getting out alive.
Arrogance at it's basest level.
The definition of arrogance isn't presenting a new idea to someone. The definition of arrogance is being so settled in your own opinion that you have no need to evaluate or even consider another's.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
No one is arguing that they are better than anyone else. They’re arguing their way is better and trying to support their argument.
Basically happens on every thread
Like with every endeavor in life, there are different ways to accomplish the goal. Some ways ARE better and everyone on the path will learn along the way
Haven't you worked it out Goalie, they want everyone to do as they do because every single one of them think they are superior to everyone else.
Religious, vegan, climate, health, peta, etc nuts are all the same...they think they are better, and are too stupid to realise it is all ultimately useless because no one is getting out alive.
Arrogance at it's basest level.
The definition of arrogance isn't presenting a new idea to someone. The definition of arrogance is being so settled in your own opinion that you have no need to evaluate or even consider another's.
No one is arguing with you, another poster has taken over your thread with hyperbole bullchit.
Eat less, eat 2 times a day, eat one time a day, eat every other day, drink water, cut out carbs, no sugar... everything equals eat less and you will lose weight and feel better... we've all said it.
Your silence to him while you try to correct us is puzzling.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
Two things I would like to add:
The best "Diet" is the one that works for you.
Second, I do not like calling how I eat a "Diet" for the simple reason that it's not a Diet, it's a "Lifestyle Choice". I have been eating the Intermittent Fasting way for 4 years, it is the only way I will ever eat again.
As you state and I agree with you, I don't see anyone here pushing a diet, I see people discussing the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, and there are many benefits. About a year ago I started a thread on this topic and was astounded at how many proclaimed that it was dangerous, a waste of time, etc.
If you want to remain slim, do what works for you, we are all different. There is no "wrong or right way".
I have no problem with IF. I just presented information about the pros and cons.
What is questionable is the Keto diet.
It’s funny that some here believe they can be on the keto diet for the rest of their lives. It’s absolutely not the case and if they’re doing well, they’re really not in ketosis even though they think they are.
Also the issue is different for people that are fairly inactive, moderately active, hyper active. And just reminding folks that activity is more of a control of weight than diet, and different foods are required , seems to piss them off.
"No one is arguing that they are better than anyone else. They’re arguing their way is better and trying to support their argument.
Basically happens on every thread
Like with every endeavor in life, there are different ways to accomplish the goal. Some ways ARE better and everyone on the path will learn along the way."
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL It's about like alcohol in that anyone would be better off without it but few can give it up. I didn't realize how addictive it was until I was off it. It triggers the same pleasure centers in the brain as cocaine. It's the most addictive, socially acceptable, and detrimental drug in the US.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
Two things I would like to add:
The best "Diet" is the one that works for you.
Second, I do not like calling how I eat a "Diet" for the simple reason that it's not a Diet, it's a "Lifestyle Choice". I have been eating the Intermittent Fasting way for 4 years, it is the only way I will ever eat again.
As you state and I agree with you, I don't see anyone here pushing a diet, I see people discussing the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, and there are many benefits. About a year ago I started a thread on this topic and was astounded at how many proclaimed that it was dangerous, a waste of time, etc.
If you want to remain slim, do what works for you, we are all different. There is no "wrong or right way".
I have no problem with IF. I just presented information about the pros and cons.
What is questionable is the Keto diet.
It’s funny that some here believe they can be on the keto diet for the rest of their lives. It’s absolutely not the case and if they’re doing well, they’re really not in ketosis even though they think they are.
Personally, I have never been on a Keto Diet, ever.
When I eat my one meal a day I eat whatever I want. If I want to lose weight, I extend my fast from 24hrs to 72 or 96 hrs. It takes me about 24 to 48 hours to get into the state of Ketosis, when I am in that state I typically burn 1.5 to 2 lbs. of fat per day.
This will be my desert tomorrow while I watch Yellowstone, Chocolate Mousse. What's life without a good desert occasionally, definitely not Keto lol
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
Two things I would like to add:
The best "Diet" is the one that works for you.
Second, I do not like calling how I eat a "Diet" for the simple reason that it's not a Diet, it's a "Lifestyle Choice". I have been eating the Intermittent Fasting way for 4 years, it is the only way I will ever eat again.
As you state and I agree with you, I don't see anyone here pushing a diet, I see people discussing the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, and there are many benefits. About a year ago I started a thread on this topic and was astounded at how many proclaimed that it was dangerous, a waste of time, etc.
If you want to remain slim, do what works for you, we are all different. There is no "wrong or right way".
I have no problem with IF. I just presented information about the pros and cons.
What is questionable is the Keto diet.
It’s funny that some here believe they can be on the keto diet for the rest of their lives. It’s absolutely not the case and if they’re doing well, they’re really not in ketosis even though they think they are.
Personally, I have never been on a Keto Diet, ever.
When I eat my one meal a day I eat whatever I want. If I want to lose weight, I extend my fast from 24hrs to 72 or 96 hrs. It takes me about 24 to 48 hours to get into the state of Ketosis, when I am in that state I typically burn 1.5 to 2 lbs. of fat per day.
This will be my desert tomorrow while I watch Yellowstone, Chocolate Mousse. What's life without a good desert occasionally, definitely not Keto lol
Simple equation
To lose weight you must take in less calories than you burn.
If you have to fast for 3 days to lose weight, you are sedentary
Are you familiar with basal metabolic rate? It’s the amount of calories our body needs simply to exist without any movement or exercise. It’s the amount of calories your body needs to function for life support.
You’ll note that as activity level increases, so do caloric needs. Where you get those calories from is very important.
No one is arguing that they are better than anyone else. They’re arguing their way is better and trying to support their argument.
Describing what a lot of people have posted here as an "argument" is very generous.
Bizarre grammatical choices, spelling detached from reality, schizophrenic writing style, saying people are fat who are obviously not, everyone who disagrees is stupid, maniac repetition of the same thing over and over, people who say their bodies violate laws of physics....those might fly at a black college but not anywhere else.
Haven't you worked it out Goalie, they want everyone to do as they do because every single one of them think they are superior to everyone else.
Religious, vegan, climate, health, peta, etc nuts are all the same...they think they are better, and are too stupid to realise it is all ultimately useless because no one is getting out alive.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I agree with most of that but I don't think any of the diets described here are "easy," they all take self-discipline. I also don't think the people advocating for one or the other necessarily think they're better than everyone else. Some do but not all.
IMO, arguing about which is "best" is a fool's errand, people lose weight in a lot of different ways. It reminds me of arguments over which boots or which rifle is "best" for elk hunting. Interesting information is exchanged but what's best for one is not best for another.
Two things I would like to add:
The best "Diet" is the one that works for you.
Second, I do not like calling how I eat a "Diet" for the simple reason that it's not a Diet, it's a "Lifestyle Choice". I have been eating the Intermittent Fasting way for 4 years, it is the only way I will ever eat again.
As you state and I agree with you, I don't see anyone here pushing a diet, I see people discussing the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, and there are many benefits. About a year ago I started a thread on this topic and was astounded at how many proclaimed that it was dangerous, a waste of time, etc.
If you want to remain slim, do what works for you, we are all different. There is no "wrong or right way".
I have no problem with IF. I just presented information about the pros and cons.
What is questionable is the Keto diet.
It’s funny that some here believe they can be on the keto diet for the rest of their lives. It’s absolutely not the case and if they’re doing well, they’re really not in ketosis even though they think they are.
Personally, I have never been on a Keto Diet, ever.
When I eat my one meal a day I eat whatever I want. If I want to lose weight, I extend my fast from 24hrs to 72 or 96 hrs. It takes me about 24 to 48 hours to get into the state of Ketosis, when I am in that state I typically burn 1.5 to 2 lbs. of fat per day.
This will be my desert tomorrow while I watch Yellowstone, Chocolate Mousse. What's life without a good desert occasionally, definitely not Keto lol
Simple equation
To lose weight you must take in less calories than you burn.
If you have to fast for 3 days to lose weight, you are sedentary
Are you familiar with basal metabolic rate? It’s the amount of calories our body needs simply to exist without any movement or exercise. It’s the amount of calories your body needs to function for life support.
You’ll note that as activity level increases, so do caloric needs. Where you get those calories from is very important.
I am pretty much sedentary, except for walking and biking.
I own a company, which is fully automated, so I respond to everyone that works for me online, no physical activity is required.
As for the chart you posted, different organizations post different calorie numbers. I can easily operate with less than 1,726 calories per day. As stated everyone is different, I have an extremely slow metabolism which sucks. I have had to watch my caloric intake even when I was in my mid-teens while being extremely active being a top-tier athlete.
As I said I gained weight after injury and trauma, which prevented me from doing any physical activity. When I play football I was in the gym 4 hours a day, being a weight trainer, I will give you an example of what type of strength level I was at, in my youth and at peak performance.
For Incline Flies, I was using 120 lbs. dumbbells doing sets of ten. I can not do weights anymore because doing weights aggravates old injuries and I hate living with chronic pain, so I stick to walking and biking.
I have been in shape and not fat all of my adult life except for the one time when I was injured and gained weight rapidly. I have the photos to prove it too lol
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL It's about like alcohol in that anyone would be better off without it but few can give it up. I didn't realize how addictive it was until I was off it. It triggers the same pleasure centers in the brain as cocaine. It's the most addictive, socially acceptable, and detrimental drug in the US.
Damn. I just put a teaspoon of sugar in my coffee
It's good with a shot of whisky too. Probably won't decrease your life in small amounts but many have been lured in too deep over time. Americans would be better served to be as cautious of either. It's especially bad for today's kids. Most every meal they consume will increase their blood sugar about like half that pan of cupcakes you posted.
It's a multifaceted problem that combines a poor diet with less physical activity but what needs to be stressed is that you won't out exercise a poor diet. That's why telling someone to eat less and exercise more is about as useful as telling them they need to lose weight. I find it's better advice to be specific about what to eat and what to avoid.
The fasting aspect, however, is incredibly beneficial to health regardless of diet. The recommendation is to consume all calories during an 8-hour window of the day and zero calories otherwise. It needs to be strictly adhered to and time is the same every day without much if any drift earlier or later. No calories before 11 am or after 7 pm seems to best fit most social situations. That window can be adjusted earlier or later but it should be kept the same every day.
BTW I apologize if I have seemed to single out anyone in particular in the comments I've made. I often read a comment and think of something to say and just click the quote button when an unlinked post would have served better.
This is a great battle with skinny trying to out brag not skinny. Everyone needs a reason to be better than someone else.
Who cares? Only the skinny guys think that being in shape is to be skinny.
Last time I checked, round is still a shape…
I don’t see it as a bragging contest, but more discussion/argument about a method to lose weight.
As always, everybody’s looking for the quick fix, “the magic pill“, with no regard to consequences. A good diet is a diet that can be maintained for the rest of your life
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL It's about like alcohol in that anyone would be better off without it but few can give it up. I didn't realize how addictive it was until I was off it. It triggers the same pleasure centers in the brain as cocaine. It's the most addictive, socially acceptable, and detrimental drug in the US.
No one is arguing that they are better than anyone else. They’re arguing their way is better and trying to support their argument.
Describing what a lot of people have posted here as an "argument" is very generous.
Bizarre grammatical choices, spelling detached rom reality, schizophrenic writing style, saying people are fat who are obviously not, everyone who disagrees is stupid, maniac repetition of the same thing over and over, people who say their bodies violate laws of physics....those might fly at a black college but not anywhere else.
People around here have sensitive manginas, so ya gotta be generous
It's good with a shot of whisky too. Probably won't decrease your life in small amounts but many have been lured in too deep over time. Americans would be better served to be as cautious of either. It's especially bad for today's kids. Most every meal they consume will increase their blood sugar about like half that pan of cupcakes you posted.
It's a multifaceted problem that combines a poor diet with less physical activity but what needs to be stressed is that you won't out exercise a poor diet. That's why telling someone to eat less and exercise more is about as useful as telling them they need to lose weight. I find it's better advice to be specific about what to eat and what to avoid.
The fasting aspect, however, is incredibly beneficial to health regardless of diet. The recommendation is to consume all calories during an 8-hour window of the day and zero calories otherwise. It needs to be strictly adhered to and time is the same every day without much if any drift earlier or later. No calories before 11 am or after 7 pm seems to best fit most social situations. That window can be adjusted earlier or later but it should be kept the same every day.
BTW I apologize if I have seemed to single out anyone in particular in the comments I've made. I often read a comment and think of something to say and just click the quote button when an unlinked post would have served better.
The lousy eating thing isn't just there, I went to the local IGA with my wife on Tuesday and we hit the checkout with fresh veges and fruit. A local lady with a couple of kids was in front of us, and apart from some apples everything else was soft drink and bags of chips...I am talking about a entire shopping cart full. My wife and I were somewhat surprised...the funny thing is that I have pretty much lost my taste for both salt and sugar, not sure why but it is what it is.
Dice up & render some good bacon, set aside, half brussels, cut side down in hot bacon fat to brown.
Once browned, add back bacon, toss after a bit, onto plate, salt & cracked black pepper !
Pan or flat top works !
Thanks We always have steamed them. I tried grilling some[on foil] a couple of weeks back with light seasoning and a little O oil, weren't any better than steamed.
Dice up & render some good bacon, set aside, half brussels, cut side down in hot bacon fat to brown.
Once browned, add back bacon, toss after a bit, onto plate, salt & cracked black pepper !
Pan or flat top works !
Thanks We always have steamed them. I tried grilling some[on foil] a couple of weeks back with light seasoning and a little O oil, weren't any better than steamed.
I fry my Brussel sprouts and broccoli in a little olive oil. What I'm shooting for is caramelization like an onion but slightly charred edges. Always season as you are cooking them rather than afterwards.
cooking Brussels right now, in the oven with a piece of salmon, creole seasoning, mikes hot honey on both, butter, and lemon. 350 for 20 minutes.
My wife prefers them slow baked. I coat them good with olive oil and seasoning and oven bake in a Dutch oven until they are golden brown. She likes that they are so soft they basically melt in your mouth like little candy balls. You want to bake them maybe an hour at 350, depending on how many in the pot, but what makes them good is to let them sit in that still hot oven another hour after you turn it off. They caramelize or something during that hour and get nearly sweet tasting.
Dice up & render some good bacon, set aside, half brussels, cut side down in hot bacon fat to brown.
Once browned, add back bacon, toss after a bit, onto plate, salt & cracked black pepper !
Pan or flat top works !
Thanks We always have steamed them. I tried grilling some[on foil] a couple of weeks back with light seasoning and a little O oil, weren't any better than steamed.
We like them to have bite, not mushy, like steamed/boiled.
not read this entire thread not going to. not to stir up more [bleep] than I figure it's already throughout the 58 pages of this thread just want it really honest question. I thought it had been determined that fasting per se was actually bad for your health..??
not read this entire thread not going to. not to stir up more [bleep] than I figure it's already throughout the 58 pages of this thread just want it really honest question. I thought it had been determined that fasting per se was actually bad for your health..??
Determined by who? The people trying to sell junk food for you to eat six times a day.
not read this entire thread not going to. not to stir up more [bleep] than I figure it's already throughout the 58 pages of this thread just want it really honest question. I thought it had been determined that fasting per se was actually bad for your health..??
Determined by who? The people trying to sell junk food for you to eat six times a day.
I don't turn sensitive on me it was a legit question I never said nothing about junk food. I meant skipping meals most of the day or all day or a couple days even that's the term of fasting... yes I know the doctors will tell you 12 hours of fasting before certain blood tests and such but..
Sorry. legit question. IMO intermittent fasting is healthy for you. Sometimes the body just needs some time to break down and metabolize everything we have been eating. Kinda like a cleanse. If you are constantly eating you are not giving the body time to burn excess body fat.
It took less than a year to shed all of that weight. Going low carb saved my life. I'll preach it from the highest mountain.
This is me at 62 years old after committing myself to a low carb and intermittent fasting lifestyle. I weigh myself every day, I'm between 193 and 200.
My life was absolutely transformed from a miserable, angry mess. Everything changed. I just want you guys to know that you can make changes.
I was reviewing this thread and saw this post of yours Salmonella.
First, that picture is outstanding! Congratulations on that beauty bull! One of my favorite things to do is to hunt Elk on horseback in the Rockies, it's where God lives as far as I am concerned!
If you dedicate yourself and commit to losing weight, nothing and I do mean nothing beats intermittent fasting and avoiding carbs and sugar. Great work on that too Salmonella, keep up your great work of screaming from the rooftops and telling people what you know to be true, nothing better than feeling great about yourself at our age, as you know from first-hand experience.
This is me Elk Hunting on Horseback in the Rockies in my 40's.
When I am riding at night through Grizz country, I feel like Jeremiah Johnson, simply does not get better than that
Sorry. legit question. IMO intermittent fasting is healthy for you. Sometimes the body just needs some time to break down and metabolize everything we have been eating. Kinda like a cleanse. If you are constantly eating you are not giving the body time to burn excess body fat.
Yes sir. In the video I posted that started this "discussion" Andrew Huberman goes into many of the processes and how they can have health benefits way beyond simple weight loss. Of course, it's just one tool to help improve health, but it's surprising that so many benefits can be gained. I'm going to refine my schedule by not moving my feeding window around to different times during the day. I've done several variations but I agree with Huberman that an 8-hour window that includes your lunch and supper is generally best for social reasons.
I've fasted 16 hours of every day for a long time but I moved that window forward or back a few hours at times. The gut microbiome does much better when it's a set time every day. There's lots of bodily functions that work better if you don't vary feeding time. It has to do with circadian rhythm, digestion, excretion and more that Andrew explains.
not read this entire thread not going to. not to stir up more [bleep] than I figure it's already throughout the 58 pages of this thread just want it really honest question. I thought it had been determined that fasting per se was actually bad for your health..??
Determined by who? The people trying to sell junk food for you to eat six times a day.
I don't turn sensitive on me it was a legit question I never said nothing about junk food. I meant skipping meals most of the day or all day or a couple days even that's the term of fasting... yes I know the doctors will tell you 12 hours of fasting before certain blood tests and such but..
Well [bleep], who knew, that pizza made you fat ??????
How old are you? I'm not gay or anything but I wouldn't call you fat. I would be if I ate that, but I could eat all you have there if I was hungry. That's my issue with carbs. They really drive hunger for me.
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Awesome write-up jc189, congratulations on your success, and welcome to the Intermittent Fasting Club!
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Well done Sir.
I had blood work done last week and my doctor gave me huge props on controlling my blood sugar for many years.
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Well done Sir.
I had blood work done last week and my doctor gave me huge props on controlling my blood sugar for many years.
That's Great.
I phone in my annual physicals now.
Swing by to give samples, and then a few days later my M.D. calls to tell me how healthy I am.
Human diet, including IM and prolonged fasting, and exercise.
Thought I would jump in here to also congratulate Salmonella on his transformation. Good job. My experience is pretty much the same. At age 62 I was feeling like $chit. My wife made me go get some blood work done. When The results came back Doc told me my blood sugar was over 500 and my A1C was 12.5 among other things. Doc said I'm diabetic and put me on metformin and glipizide. I went home and started doing my research. The next day I started IM Fasting. I cut out all sugar and most carbs. For the first 2 weeks I ate 1 meal a day(OMAD). It consisted of meat and vegetables. I ate till I was full, I did not cut portion size. After 2 weeks I went to eating 8 hours 11:00-7:00 and fasting for 16 hours. Still cutting out sugars and keeping it low carb. After 30 Days my blood sugar readings were back to normal and I was off the metformin and glipizide. My first A1C after fasting was 5.8 Blood sugar and A1c have been great for 3 years now. I feel great and lost 80lbs in the process. the weight came off quick and I have had no problem keeping it off. Intermittent Fasting changed my life. It might not be for everybody. But it sure worked wonders for me. My doctor could not believe the results. After 3 years of consistent A1C's (last one was 4.6) the Doc is now telling other patients that Intermittent Fasting is beneficial.
Well done Sir.
I had blood work done last week and my doctor gave me huge props on controlling my blood sugar for many years.
Probable said to himself "There goes another Cash Cow, bastard figured out he doesn't need pills!" when you left his office lol
I don't think one benefit of fasting is mentioned in this thread, and I don't know that it is conclusive but that is autophagy is triggered by fasting.
The destruction of old or damaged cells in the body.
The potential benefit could be avoiding dementia, Alzheimer and cancer.
I don't think one benefit of fasting is mentioned in this thread, and I don't know that it is conclusive but that is autophagy is triggered by fasting.
The destruction of old or damaged cells in the body.
The potential benefit could be avoiding dementia, Alzheimer and cancer.
There is a vast array of health and other benefits RDW, the biggest one is SELF-ESTEEM!
Everyone looks better and is happier being svelte than being a fat overweight slob!
I don't think one benefit of fasting is mentioned in this thread, and I don't know that it is conclusive but that is autophagy is triggered by fasting.
The destruction of old or damaged cells in the body.
The potential benefit could be avoiding dementia, Alzheimer and cancer.
I've read stats on it but don't remember exactly. I think longer fasts are recommended mostly. It's something like just one 36 hour fast can reduce cancer risks 300%. I've heard lots of stories about someone who got a cancer diagnosis and fasted and prayed for 30 days and were miraculously healed.
I have done 72 hour fasts a half dozen times or so to tap into autophagy. If you can go 24 hrs without eating, you can do 72. It has been my experience that it gets easier the longer you go. Once you body starts burning body fat it no longer produces ghrelin. Ghrelin is a hormone produced by your stomach known as the hunger hormone. Its what makes you feel hungry. The feeling of hunger goes away, it does not keep getting more intense until you eat. Once you get to that state you can continue your fast without the feeling of getting hungry. Its not that difficult to go 72 hrs.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
I have done 72 hour fasts a half dozen times or so to tap into autophagy. If you can go 24 hrs without eating, you can do 72. It has been my experience that it gets easier the longer you go. Once you body starts burning body fat it no longer produces ghrelin. Ghrelin is a hormone produced by your stomach known as the hunger hormone. Its what makes you feel hungry. The feeling of hunger goes away, it does not keep getting more intense until you eat. Once you get to that state you can continue your fast without the feeling of getting hungry. Its not that difficult to go 72 hrs.
I have found over the years that it only gets tough after the 120-hour mark.
Search THE COMMUNITY FOR ENHANCED FITNESS DIET & FAT LOSSEATING Fasting: Sound Science, Behavioral BS by Dani Shugart January 21, 2014 Leave a Comment
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, INTERMITTENT FASTING, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW...
Intermittent fasting (IF) has limited uses in limited populations, but for many people it leads to less muscle, more body fat, and even disordered eating in the long term. Fasted weight training, often part of intermittent fasting plans, is misguided and counterproductive. If you follow many intermittent fasting diets to a T, you border on having or developing two different eating disorders. To break the destructive habits created by failed IF plans, always eat breakfast, use workout nutrition, select quality foods, and learn to listen to your body. Let's say I was approached by Kim Jong-un, the murderous North Korean dictator, and asked for dietary advice. Being a patriotic all-American girl, I'd of course give him the worst advice I could think of. My plan would be to provide a diet that fooled him into thinking it was working, but ultimately wrecked his health, made him miserable, and maybe even gave him an eating disorder as a bonus.
Now, how would I do that? I'd probably tell him to starve all day, exercise in a fasted state, then eat a ton in the evening. In other words, I'd put him on a chronic intermittent fasting plan.
REPAIRING THE DAMAGE
Intermittent fasting has multiple variations, but at its core, "IF" is a method of going a certain period of time without eating, then consuming all you want for an allotted period of time. IF's promises run the usual gamut: fat loss, more energy, better health, insulin sensitivity, longevity, spiritual enlightenment, and even muscle gains.
Intermittent fasters pull from a variety of scientific studies and success stories which show that their diet delivers. But despite the science, the initial benefits don't last for everyone and can result in dietary damage and even disordered eating.
As a nutrition coach, one of my most common tasks with clients who are struggling to lose fat is to rehab them out of their fasting tendencies. Did you catch that? They pay me to fix the damage done to them by IF. It was a surprise even to me. While I knew IF wasn't right for everyone and had its drawbacks, I was shocked to see just how much harm had been done to many former IF fanatics.
Not only did fasting fail to make them ripped, it made them gain fat over the long haul, gave them a food complex indicative of bulimia, and compelled them to seek help from a nutrition therapist.
The truth is, I was an early adopter of IF. I intermittently fasted for well over a year, so my clients' tendencies to skimp on food in the morning and lose control at night sounded familiar. For me, it turned into a battle with balance and body fat. My workouts suffered, my muscle gains stalled, my body fat crept up, and my mood was awful. Those starved hunting dogs that Kim Jong-un supposedly feeds his enemies to? I could've run with that pack.
As a coach, I soon learned that I wasn't alone. If you've been seduced by a very sciency-sounding plan that boils down to a starve/binge cycle of eating, I'd advise you to reconsider drinking that particular flavor of Kool-Aid. And if you've already been intermittently fasting while watching your body composition get worse, join the club, then reclaim control of your physique.
HOW IT WORKS, HOW IT FAILS
Proponents believe spending time in the fasted state will force the body to use stored fat as fuel rather than muscle glycogen or blood glucose from a recently consumed meal. But does using stored fat for fuel during the day really pay off if you're overeating continually at night?
The problem with intermittent fasting is that when mealtime finally comes around, it becomes a free-for-all event for many, and this is even encouraged in some plans. Fasting triggers bingeing.
WEAK WORKOUTS AND FASTING FALSEHOODS
Intermittent fasting proponents say that during workouts the body will be forced to pull energy from stored fat in the absence of blood glucose that normally would be present after a meal. So when it comes to training in a fasted state, the goal is to deplete glucose then work out before replenishing it.
They say doing so can even create an anabolic effect and actually make someone build muscle during an intermittent fasting regimen. (When not eating for most of the day is touted as a muscle-gaining plan, you know the fitness industry is running out of book ideas.)
But does using your own stored fat as workout nutrition really fuel the toughest workouts? Are you able to work as hard when you're only running on the fumes of last night's binge? Do you think strong bodies are built on ketones? Do you really think that quality of training is improved by a lack of nutrition? Are you training hard enough to know the difference?
If you train fasted in the morning, then wait several hours to consume anything, the likelihood of building and repairing muscle tissue is slim. This is a recipe for weak workouts and catabolism. Topped off with an evening binge, it's a recipe for fat gain. Let's not forget the most common eating pattern of overweight people: skip breakfast and lunch, binge at night. If your diet mirrors that of the typical slob, maybe it's time to rethink your plan.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
I very much respect Peter Attia. He never seemed to push an agenda and I've seen him change his mind a few times which is good if the data points that direction.
What was his reasoning on old people not fasting? The only concerns I could think of would be a lack of nutrition which is a concern in the elderly. Other than that, I would think a short fast between nutritious meals would be much better than constant sweets grazing that I see in elderly people. It would be a different thing if you are already so far gone that you are drinking your meals through a straw.
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I am trying to do 6,000 steps every day. I got a B Dexa scan. My wife does 12,000 steps a day and has an A+ Dexa scan.
I very much respect Peter Attia. He never seemed to push an agenda and I've seen him change his mind a few times which is good if the data points that direction.
What was his reasoning on old people not fasting? The only concerns I could think of would be a lack of nutrition which is a concern in the elderly. Other than that, I would think a short fast between nutritious meals would be much better than constant sweets grazing that I see in elderly people. It would be a different thing if you are already so far gone that you are drinking your meals through a straw.
Nutrition, primary and most important elements are Minerals and Vitamins.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6). ”
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6). ”
Ketosis - is not "stealing" anything.
It is burning fat.
The preferred energy storage system of the Human body.
Protein - is available for gluconeogenesis in the liver, both from the fat harvesting process (25%), and the Autophagy process of recycling proteins.
Humans would have gone extinct long ago without it, and, indeed, thrived on it.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet, loaded with sugar and processed starches, in support of Metabolic distress - just to sell your pizzas?
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
A person can see real data/facts from real metabolic studies done by doctors on real people, if they were willing to watch the first 8 or 9 minutes of this video. If you are interested in knowing what happens in the body and how it reacts to exercise and calorie reduction. There is a lot more to it than eat less and move more. If you have a few minutes to spare, take a chance, you just might learn something about metabolism and how it changes to respond to burning more calories than you take in. And if you think you burn muscle before you burn your fat stores please watch a couple of minutes from 17 minutes to 19 minutes to see the results of that study.
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
The only way to know that you’re in ketosis is to P on a test strip. Did you actually do that?
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
The only way to know that you’re in ketosis is to P on a test strip. Did you actually do that?
Aaaah, no.
You just need to eat a Human diet.
... and not your "every Three hour" baby food diet, which includes "Pizza!"
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
The only way to know that you’re in ketosis is to P on a test strip. Did you actually do that?
Aaaah, no.
You just need to eat a Human diet.
... and not your "every Three hour" baby food diet, which includes "Pizza!"
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
The only way to know that you’re in ketosis is to P on a test strip. Did you actually do that?
Aaaah, no.
You just need to eat a Human diet.
... and not your "every Three hour" baby food diet, which includes "Pizza!"
GR
The only human has spoken. Lol
Maybe the only one that would bother to help a Metabolic train wreck like you.
TAGS DIETARY MYTH BUSTING, FEEDING THE IDEAL BODY, NUTRITION & SUPPLEMENTS, TIPS Once the exclusive purview of epileptics (to control seizures) and madman bodybuilders, the keto diet is now the "it" diet of the masses, having completely trounced Weight Watchers.
It's easy to see how it happened. The keto diet lets people eat all the fat they want and they can practically see themselves shrinking, day-by-day. But the keto diet isn't all sunshine and deep-fried daisies. It has some drawbacks, some of which are serious, and it's really not the best diet for lifters.
Here are some of the problems with the keto diet that make me get a little itchy.
1 – MALNUTRITION
Keto dieters jettison entire food groups. Is it hard to believe that deficiencies like vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, and essential fatty acids are likely? Keto dieters can take care of a lot of those problems by taking multivitamins, but that's a poor and uncertain replacement for the nutrients in real food.
Beyond that, missing out on dozens or even hundreds of the polyphenols found in grains, fruits, wine, and even beer is like playing Super Mario Bros. and not bothering to pick up all the super mushroom power-ups.
2 – BAD FOR STRENGTH ATHLETES
There's some evidence that keto diets might work well for endurance runners and Alaskan sled dogs, but if you're neither one of those, and particularly if you're a weight lifter who relies on short bursts of power, forget it.
3 – GRAVELLY KIDNEYS
A lot of medicos think the keto diet is hard on your kidneys and can lead to kidney stones. As such, they advise monitoring kidney function while keto dieting. Unfortunately, I've never heard of anyone actually following through on that. It'd be interesting to see some epidemiological studies to see how strong the link really is.
4 – KILLER CONSTIPATION
Ditching carbs means ditching fiber. Any long-term reductions in actual body weight may be offset by the weight of the steadily accruing reservoir of impacted feces in your intestines.
Keto dieters should be wary of ending up like constipation-plagued Elvis Presley, whose post-mortem colon was 5-6 inches in diameter and weighed 45 pounds. (All that hip gyrating might just have been a desperate effort to get his bowels working again.)
Keto Crotch
5 – KETO CROTCH
Despite the alliterative name, keto crotch is not the newest member of the Marvel Universe (Peter Parker, Matt Murdoch, Jessica Jones, etc., etc.). If it were, I doubt her super power would be of any use in fighting crime, except maybe in some highly unusual and really specific circumstances.
Anyhow, I'm not absolutely certain that keto crotch is a real thing, but there are enough people talking about it on the Internets to at least mention it. Apparently, all the meat-eatin' you do on the diet changes vaginal pH and the lower acidity creates a welcoming environment to undesirable bacteria, leading to possible infections and an unpleasant odor.
6 – BAD BLOOD
The dangers of high cholesterol appear to be overrated, but that doesn't mean they don't matter at all, and high cholesterol is what you get when you eat fat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
7 – ACTUAL KETOSIS IS REALLY RARE
Most regular people on the keto diet aren't really on the keto diet; they slipped out of it when they had that morsel of matzo in their meatloaf or that spoonful of hidden sugar in their dark chocolate keto fudge. It's likely to be more of a problem with athletes who, in an effort to avoid muscle loss, eat a lot more protein than a traditional keto diet would recommend.
These athletes fail to realize that the body, when it isn't getting enough carbs from other sources, breaks down the amino acids in dietary protein to make glucose and wham, Neo exits the keto Matrix.
So let's call these diets what they really are: traditional low-carb diets. (Queue sound of universe laughing.)
8 – UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS
As any bodybuilder knows, most of the initial weight loss from the keto diet (or any low-carb diet) is from water. When you cut out carbs, you start to lose your glycogen reserves, and for every gram of glycogen you lose, you lose between 2 and 4 grams of water, depending on what source you believe.
In any event, the first couple of weeks of the keto diet result in a loss of a lot of water weight, often up to 10 pounds or so, which is enough to get any dieter all happy and to start making delusional slim-person plans to visit a nude beach or something.
Admittedly, this is a minor flaw, but it does give some people unrealistic expectations of the long-term effects of the diet.“
I’m sure Garanimal aka elkslayer suffers from # 5
😂😂😂
I have to say that that would not be true unless your KETO diet consisted of total crap food. I was in Ketosis a lot during the 2 years I lost 180 lbs. I did not cut out entire food groups except grain which is problematic for many people anyway with nearly zero nutritional value. There's a huge variation in what people call keto and it doesn't have to be a crap diet, just a low carb one.
The only way to know that you’re in ketosis is to P on a test strip. Did you actually do that?
I have it's the only way you know unless you are a Doctor like yourself lol
They are called kiss my Keto, Ketone Test Strips.
Invaluable if you want to know if you are burning FAT.
Takes the Guesswork out of it. If they do not read Purple , continue to fast, you will not die
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, the harm is being OBESE, you are disseminating false information, and I do not understand why.
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL. .... .
Rcam made no mention of sugar , you are smuggling it in like the zealot you are.
Macronutrients are carbs, fats and proteins.
But your ignorance shows itself again.
Originally Posted by RHClark
I've heard lots of stories about someone who got a cancer diagnosis and fasted and prayed for 30 days and were miraculously healed.
Tall stories of prayers curing cancer.
Cite verified cases....or stop with your nonsense.
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, you are disseminating false information, I do not understand why.
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL. .... .
Rcam made no mention of sugar , you are smuggling it in like the zealot you are.
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, you are disseminating false information, I do not understand why.
Everyone has the right to look as good as you!
Ok. Enjoy!
You have seen my food, I am far from starving, in fact, like you, I am an excellent cook and you know it. I just eat once a day because it works for me.
Anyhow, I like you and have no bad feelings, I wish you all the best sir!
Rcam made no mention of sugar , you are smuggling it in like the zealot you are.
Macronutrients are carbs, fats and proteins.
But your ignorance shows itself again.
The Liver both makes glucose out of protein, and fat out of glucose.
And fat is by far the preferred energy source for both storage and consumption.
Ketosis - is how Humans have been living and thriving for Tens of Millions of years.
... until the last hundred or so, when the "every Three hour" baby food diet (Pizza, etc.) was developed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, and conspired with the Federal Government, to make people sick - for a profit.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, you are disseminating false information, I do not understand why.
Everyone has the right to look as good as you!
Ok. Enjoy!
You have seen my food, I am far from starving, in fact, like you, I am an excellent cook and you know it. I just eat once a day because it works for me.
Anyhow, I like you and have no bad feelings, I wish you all the best sir!
Cheers ~
Eat ~ 2600 Calories a day (18/6 fast/feast), w/ < 20 g. of it as Net Carbs.
Thriving - and never hungry... even after Days of fasting.
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, the harm is being OBESE, you are disseminating false information, and I do not understand why.
Everyone has the right to look as good as you!
Two weeks out of the gym, on his "every Three hours" baby food diet of Pizza, pasta, and Ho-ho's...?
... he'd look like a bag of mashed potatoes, and his man-boobs would start lactating.
With all due respect rcamuglia, this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!
What is wrong with helping people that want to lose weight, in a healthy, rapid manner?
I have seen so many great posts of members here that are intermittent fasting success stories, and have lost weight and feel and look great, why not share the information that has made our lives better?
I honestly believe you are an intelligent man, why the resistance? It's an honest question.
You are not the only intelligent person here, let people learn, if they want to give it a go, why not? It just may change their lives for the better, know what I mean? I would consider this thread a success if 1 member does!
If one member here gives it a try and loses weight and feel good about themselves again, what is the harm?
I see no harm, only BENEFITS.
Cheers
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
There is NO HARM, you are disseminating false information, I do not understand why.
Everyone has the right to look as good as you!
Ok. Enjoy!
You have seen my food, I am far from starving, in fact, like you, I am an excellent cook and you know it. I just eat once a day because it works for me.
Anyhow, I like you and have no bad feelings, I wish you all the best sir!
Cheers ~
Eat ~ 2600 Calories a day, w/ < 20 g. of it as Net Carbs.
Thriving - and never hungry... even after Days of fasting.
Great to be Human.
GR
YES IT IS!
However 2600 calories a day is way too much for me, my metabolism is beyond SLUGGISH.
1500 calories a day, is more than enough for me.
Let's hope we have helped some people hey Garandimal, otherwise this thread has been pointless!
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"
Ketosis is a natural reaction to burning fat, it does not distinguish between dietary fat or body fat, .
Not true. Depending on one's Fed or Fast state, activity level and respective insulin/glucagon level, the body will prioritise adipose over exogenous.
Trying to understand what is not true.
Ketones are the by-product of fat breakdown or metabolism, correct?
Fat is either dietary or bodyfat, correct?
Firstly, Ketosis is a Metabolic state, the actual biochemical process/reaction is Ketogenesis
Fats are either exogenous(dietary) or endogenous (body stored/adipose) and yes both are substrates for Ketogenesis however the body can and does prioritise one over the other as required. In the Fasting State (higher glucagon) the substrate triglycerides for ketogenesis will primarily draw from adipose..in the Fed State (when insulin is higher), fats for Ketogenesis are drawn more from dietary(exogen.)
Physical Activity level and corresponding Sympathetic response also effect the antagonist relationship/balance between Insulin and Glucagon*.
Higher activity means higher sympathetic response (thus more glucagon*/ less insulin) so the body can draw more from fat stores. Sympathetic increase also inhibits GI tract/digestion fuction.Then in Para-sympathetic "Rest and Digest" phase ,Insulin rises/Glucagon drops.
So in a fasting state + high activity, glucagon* makes it's best show...and in a Fed state +low activity Insulin rules best. Higher sympathetic also triggers more corticosteroid release from the adrenal cortex, which reduces insulin secretion whilst also stimulating glucagon* secretion. Cortisol can also slightly inhibit glucagon, but it doesn't prevent the potent inhibitory effect of Glucagon on Insulin release.
(*)Glucagon promotes Beta oxidation /lipid metabolism/ fatty acid release from adipose via Lipolysis.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I very much respect Peter Attia. He never seemed to push an agenda and I've seen him change his mind a few times which is good if the data points that direction.
What was his reasoning on old people not fasting?
The decay of muscle mass is a great predictor of life expectancy. When old people lose muscle, they almost can't get it back.
For life expectancy, muscles are money in the bank. Fasting drains the muscle account.
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle.
Well that is 💯 incorrect and contrary to what I’ve been taught
After the body burns stored glycogen, THE FIRST thing it uses for energy is muscle tissue
This occurs because the body uses the easiest available energy source. Because of the normal process of producing energy, muscle tissue is the easiest and fastest to metabolize for energy in a glucose and glycogen depleted state.
The body then goes through a transition phase AFTER it has begun to burn muscle tissue to then turn to burning the body’s stored fat. This happens because the body is set up to preserve muscle tissue.
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
I'm just watching from the sidelines here, but feel like it's the fact that you come across as saying that people who have had great results doing it a different way should ignore their own life experiences and listen to you.
During the first 24 hours without food, as your glucose storage is depleted, your body will begin to convert glycogen from your liver and muscles into glucose.
By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy.
Muscle tissue is the FIRST thing your body metabolizes for energy after glycogen stores are depleted , not FAT stores
no real dog in this fight but it seems to me there are a few different reasons why a person might get a bit chubby dietary lack of exercise hereditary medical
and depending which one of these is your biggest issue may make a difference on what technique or type of diet helps that particular person the most... and from people I know that hereditary seems to be the hardest to fight. just an observance
Everyone can do whatever they want. I’ve posted information as to the harm. Do with it what you will. Or not.
I'm just watching from the sidelines here, but feel like it's the fact that you come across as saying that people who have had great results doing it a different way should ignore their own life experiences and listen to you.
Not at all.
There are different ways to obtain “great results”
The fact is that “great results” VISUALLY aren’t always the same.
High fat diets, and especially those high in saturated and animal fats, cause heart disease
Dr. Atkins, the low carb/high animal fat diet dude, had a cardiac arrest, fell and fractured his head.
According to Attia: Once you cut out alcohol, tabaco, sugar, and prepared foods, no diet is better than another. Both carnivores and vegans can live a long time.
Fasting is not good for old people that do not have cancer.
But exercise does matter.
I very much respect Peter Attia. He never seemed to push an agenda and I've seen him change his mind a few times which is good if the data points that direction.
What was his reasoning on old people not fasting?
The decay of muscle mass is a great predictor of life expectancy. When old people lose muscle, they almost can't get it back.
For life expectancy, muscles are money in the bank. Fasting drains the muscle account.
I would think that would depend on what is being named a fast. Inactivity and poor diet would cause more muscle loss than simply sleeping 8 hours and then going 4 hours with a meal, eating 3 meals and stopping at 7 pm. That is an intermittent fast protocol. I can't believe that simply not eating for 4 hours and stopping in the evening would cause muscle loss. We aren't talking 24–48-hour fasts.
Every old person I know has lost muscle by inactivity and poor diet. Everyone I knew that got to a certain age just wouldn't eat much but sugary treats.
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
The keto and alternative diet believers appear to me to be more like religious zealots and climate change activists who’ve formed their beliefs based on poor information
A good diet contains a variety of foods, including all the macronutrients eaten in moderation. If you want to lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume; it’s that simple.
But it can’t be that simple because there’s got to be an “easier way”
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but sugar isn't a macronutrient. LOL. .... .
Rcam made no mention of sugar , you are smuggling it in like the zealot you are.
Macronutrients are carbs, fats and proteins.
But your ignorance shows itself again.
Originally Posted by RHClark
I've heard lots of stories about someone who got a cancer diagnosis and fasted and prayed for 30 days and were miraculously healed.
Tall stories of prayers curing cancer.
Cite verified cases....or stop with your nonsense.
I'm saying this one thing to you and then putting you on ignore. I am not going to respond to your goading anyway. You have never added one good thing to any thread I've ever seen you comment on.
You only post to try to get a rise out of people. You must not have any friends. You wouldn't act like that in person, at least not to me. I would put you on your ass. A lot of people would. You need to learn how to speak to people without ALWAYS being an antagonistic jerk.
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
Dietary protein is not the same as muscle tissue
Are you saying the body will burn its own muscle before it burns its fat stores? I don't think that's how it works.
BTW Thanks for taking the "sugar isn't a micronutrient" comment as lighthearted as I meant it. LOL.
no real dog in this fight but it seems to me there are a few different reasons why a person might get a bit chubby dietary lack of exercise hereditary medical
and depending which one of these is your biggest issue may make a difference on what technique or type of diet helps that particular person the most... and from people I know that hereditary seems to be the hardest to fight. just an observance
Wait, you mean not everyone's the same? And I was just about to jump in and belittle everyone for not doing it my way. All you have to do it train hard for an ironman and you won't be fat.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy [\sarcasm]
Or ten years later:
The bottom line is, as you age, diet matters more. Fasting is good. Processed food isn't. Walking is the best way to lose weight. Specifically walking away from the fridge
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
Dietary protein is not the same as muscle tissue
Are you saying the body will burn its own muscle before it burns its fat stores? I don't think that's how it works.
Well, you think wrong
“ A low-carb diet may lead to ketosis, a state your body may enter if forced to create energy from sources other than glucose. Ketosis can cause dehydration and blood-related issues. Without carbs, the body breaks down proteins, found in muscle, for energy. Muscles, or lean body mass, help burn fat through creating an elevated metabolic rate. ”
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
Dietary protein is not the same as muscle tissue
Are you saying the body will burn its own muscle before it burns its fat stores? I don't think that's how it works.
Well, you think wrong
“ A low-carb diet may lead to ketosis, a state your body may enter if forced to create energy from sources other than glucose. Ketosis can cause dehydration and blood-related issues. Without carbs, the body breaks down proteins, found in muscle, for energy. Muscles, or lean body mass, help burn fat through creating an elevated metabolic rate. ”
I'm just going to disagree with that for now. Your statement may be true under certain conditions, but in general your body isn't going to eat its own muscle and leave the fat because you skipped the bread and pasta.
rcamuglia, The human body was built to endure feast and famine. In simple terms, When cavemen walked the earth there were obviously no refrigerators, freezers or ways to store food. They had to go long periods of time without food. If they burned muscle tissue FIRST before stored body fat they could not continue to hunt and survive, and we would not be here now. The body stores fat to burn as fuel so it can protect and retain muscle tissue. Think about it. its just common sense.
When I was a younger man I used to eat like you, think as you do, I worked construction and worked out in the gym. I could hang with the big boys. So I understand. As I aged I decided to do a lot of research on my own. I made it a point to get my info from sources that were not trying to sell me a book or supplements or a magic diet. just proven data from tests and studies done by medical professionals reporting on studies that were done over many years on thousands of people.
So we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. I'm good with that.
However 2600 calories a day is way too much for me, my metabolism is beyond SLUGGISH.
1500 calories a day, is more than enough for me.
That is low - you sure that's right?
1500 isn’t out of line. One figures 2600. The other sits at 1500. I calculate at 1900……so is either really that fat off?
First - Calculate IBM (Ideal Body Weight) (I use the Miller calc.) Second- Calculate BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) (what you would burn while in a coma) Third - Calculate EER/TDEE (Estimated Energy Requirements/Total Daily Energy Estimates) Fourth - Calculate Calorie Deficit (Weight Loss) [(ERR/TDEE) - (Cal/Day Intake)] / (Cal/lb.) = (lb./Day or lbs./Wk. Deficit)
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
👍🏼
Don't leave yourself out of that list.
I already have, that’s why I’m recommending it to you
In a study done by Kevin Hall from the NIH it shows that once the glycogen (carbohydrate) runs out the body burns Fat and Ketones not protein/muscle. You can see that the protein oxidation rate goes down, and stays down and the Fat and Ketone rate goes way up when fasting.
If you look at the graph that I posted you can see that you are correct. there is a very small spike that shows a slight protein burn on day one. Then it bottoms out when the ketones kick in and stays down. So I guess we are both right. But if you can read a graph you can see that the protein is brief and only last until the ketones/fat kicks in and takes over from there.
Dietary protein is not the same as muscle tissue
Are you saying the body will burn its own muscle before it burns its fat stores? I don't think that's how it works.
Well, you think wrong
“ A low-carb diet may lead to ketosis, a state your body may enter if forced to create energy from sources other than glucose. Ketosis can cause dehydration and blood-related issues. Without carbs, the body breaks down proteins, found in muscle, for energy. Muscles, or lean body mass, help burn fat through creating an elevated metabolic rate. ”
This is absolute bulls h i t.
The Human body stores and burns fat.
It takes sugar and starches - burns a little, and then converts the rest of it to fat.
The liver will make what little glucose the body needs for systemic function, out of either dietary, or recycled protein while fasting.
That is ketosis.
On the other hand - the current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
no real dog in this fight but it seems to me there are a few different reasons why a person might get a bit chubby dietary lack of exercise hereditary medical
and depending which one of these is your biggest issue may make a difference on what technique or type of diet helps that particular person the most... and from people I know that hereditary seems to be the hardest to fight. just an observance
Wait, you mean not everyone's the same? And I was just about to jump in and belittle everyone for not doing it my way. All you have to do it train hard for an ironman and you won't be fat.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy [\sarcasm]
Or ten years later:
The bottom line is, as you age, diet matters more. Fasting is good. Processed food isn't. Walking is the best way to lose weight. Specifically walking away from the fridge
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
👍🏼
I have done exactly what you have stated. And be more than happy to prove it. After my construction days I decided to go back to school and further my education at the age of 36. Two years later I became a Florida State certified Paramedic. Got a job with fire Rescue and retired as a Captain 25 years later. I spent most of my time at the busiest stations in the county. We had very aggressive medical protocols. I have seen a lot $hit and saved a lot of lives over 25 years and certainly have the education you speak of.
So again cant we just agree to disagree. I respect what you have to say. I just dont agree with you. That is OK, isn't it?
The bottom line is, as you age, diet matters more. Fasting is good. Processed food isn't. Walking is the best way to lose weight.
Specifically walking away from the fridge
lol, truer words never spoken goalie!
Anyone that says that your body burns muscle before fat, has no idea of what they are talking about lol
One thing you must do while fasting is to drink ELECTROLYTES!
When I started Intermittent Fasting, my goal was to get the fat off ASAP, so while I was doing 48,72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, I was biking 12 miles per day, then after I biked, I changed into my running shoes and I walked an additional 6 miles. In three months I lost 65 lbs. I went from feeling like crap and disgusted at how I looked @ 265 lbs. to feeling like a million bucks @ 200 lbs. in 90 days. I have never looked back. Warning, you will have to buy new clothes! lol
If you have been following this thread and want to give Intermittent Fasting a try drinking Electrolytes during the entire process is essential. What is remarkable with this weight loss approach is that the weight loss happens so fast, you can actually watch the transformation by looking in the mirror.
In my case, I was losing on average 1.5 lbs. per day. I could not have done this, especially with the amount of aerobic exercise I was doing without drinking Electrolytes. If I did not drink Electrolytes, I got dizzy, with the Electrolytes I felt amazing, with energy to burn.
Instead of buying Electrolytes at the store, I make my own Electrolyte drink and this is the recipe I use. NO SUGAR!
2 Liters or 8.5 cups of Natural Spring Water 1 Heaping Tsp of No Salt - Which is Potassium Chloride 1 Heaping Tsp of Red Mill Baking Soda 1/2 Tsp High-Quality Himalayan Salt 1/2 Tsp of Food Grade Epsom Salt 4 Tbs of Apple Cider Vinegar ConcenTrace Trace Minerals - about 40 Drops
Potassium chloride is a naturally occurring mineral salt, which is obtained from rock and sea salts in a manner similar to the extraction of sodium chloride. Dietary intake of potassium is associated with a decreased risk of hypertension, the opposite effect of sodium.
I use Red Mill brand because it's a higher quality baking Soda, compared to Arm & Hammer.
This link gives you a summary of what Electrolytes do for you:
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
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I have done exactly what you have stated. And be more than happy to prove it. After my construction days I decided to go back to school and further my education at the age of 36. Two years later I became a Florida State certified Paramedic. Got a job with fire Rescue and retired as a Captain 25 years later. I spent most of my time at the busiest stations in the county. We had very aggressive medical protocols. I have seen a lot $hit and saved a lot of lives over 25 years and certainly have the education you speak of.
So again cant we just agree to disagree. I respect what you have to say. I just dont agree with you. That is OK, isn't it?
Thought I would edit this with proof of service and retirement.
“ After the body has depleted all of the stored liver glycogen and no additional carbohydrate is consumed, the body can make glucose from amino acids. This may result in the loss of muscle tissue.”
“ After the body has depleted all of the stored liver glycogen and no additional carbohydrate is consumed, the body can make glucose from amino acids. This may result in the loss of muscle tissue.”
Only under the conditions of no exercise to build muscle and improper dietary nutrition. Under those conditions the body loses muscle regardless. Look into some different sources for information. That one clearly has an agenda to push.
“ After the body has depleted all of the stored liver glycogen and no additional carbohydrate is consumed, the body can make glucose from amino acids. This may result in the loss of muscle tissue.”
Really, a FLASH CARD that says "MAY result", NOT " will result" as you stated in your opening statement.
This is getting pretty funny LOL.
I'm sure that represents years of documented trials and studies done involving thousands of patients by medical doctors. I sure hope if I have to go to a doctor for serious medical treatment He doesn't pull out a flash card and tell me, Well the flash card says this is what MAY HAPPEN. LOL.
This has been fun. I put my body into fat burning mode via IM Fasting. I lost 80lbs in a short period of time. I can say with 100% certainly that I did not burn 80lbs of muscle. And that I did not burn a bunch of muscle before I burned a $hit load of Fat. Been there, done that. I don't know, maybe I'm just different than everyone else. Again this has been fun but I still have to disagree with your flash card. How about you do what works for you, And I'll continue to do what works for me. I'm not trying to get you to try IM Fasting. We don't have to prove each other wrong. Different stroks for different folks.
You and RHclark would do well to take a couple of college level Nutrition courses, study Nutrition and the metabolic process for a year or two, daily, instead of adopting what you hear that “sounds” good and “makes sense” to you.
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I have done exactly what you have stated. And be more than happy to prove it. After my construction days I decided to go back to school and further my education at the age of 36. Two years later I became a Florida State certified Paramedic. Got a job with fire Rescue and retired as a Captain 25 years later. I spent most of my time at the busiest stations in the county. We had very aggressive medical protocols. I have seen a lot $hit and saved a lot of lives over 25 years and certainly have the education you speak of. So again cant we just agree to disagree. I respect what you have to say. I just dont agree with you. That is OK, isn't it?
A cook, with zero health, medical, science background, who cooks using rancid seed oils lecturing others on the importance of a good diet, lmao
No wonder he still worships Burns who tried to shill his tactical crap after a school shooting
food grade epson salts I hope. Good on you for not buying into the American diet and the high carb, processed, GMO food pyramid BS
Originally Posted by KillerBee
Originally Posted by goalie
The bottom line is, as you age, diet matters more. Fasting is good. Processed food isn't. Walking is the best way to lose weight.
Specifically walking away from the fridge
lol, truer words never spoken goalie!
Anyone that says that your body burns muscle before fat, has no idea of what they are talking about lol
One thing you must do while fasting is to drink ELECTROLYTES!
When I started Intermittent Fasting, my goal was to get the fat off ASAP, so while I was doing 48,72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, I was biking 12 miles per day, then after I biked, I changed into my running shoes and I walked an additional 6 miles. In three months I lost 65 lbs. I went from feeling like crap and disgusted at how I looked @ 265 lbs. to feeling like a million bucks @ 200 lbs. in 90 days. I have never looked back. Warning, you will have to buy new clothes! lol
If you have been following this thread and want to give Intermittent Fasting a try drinking Electrolytes during the entire process is essential. What is remarkable with this weight loss approach is that the weight loss happens so fast, you can actually watch the transformation by looking in the mirror.
In my case, I was losing on average 1.5 lbs. per day. I could not have done this, especially with the amount of aerobic exercise I was doing without drinking Electrolytes. If I did not drink Electrolytes, I got dizzy, with the Electrolytes I felt amazing, with energy to burn.
Instead of buying Electrolytes at the store, I make my own Electrolyte drink and this is the recipe I use. NO SUGAR!
2 Liters or 8.5 cups of Natural Spring Water 1 Heaping Tsp of No Salt - Which is Potassium Chloride 1 Heaping Tsp of Red Mill Baking Soda 1/2 Tsp High-Quality Himalayan Salt 1/2 Tsp of Epsom Salt 4 Tbs of Apple Cider Vinegar ConcenTrace Trace Minerals - about 40 Drops
Potassium chloride is a naturally occurring mineral salt, which is obtained from rock and sea salts in a manner similar to the extraction of sodium chloride. Dietary intake of potassium is associated with a decreased risk of hypertension, the opposite effect of sodium.
I use Red Mill brand because it's a higher quality baking Soda, compared to Arm & Hammer.
This link gives you a summary of what Electrolytes do for you:
food grade epson salts I hope. Good on you for not buying into the American diet and the high carb, processed, GMO food pyramid BS
Thank you for noticing that ribka, I forgot to type in Food Grade! Just changed it.
All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem are very expensive and a scam, 3 meals a day plus snacks, GARBAGE.
Fasting is FREE!
Cheers ~
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
So, like being poor.
I have been there, it sucked, I prefer steak.
Yes its like being poor for a few hours. but when you eat its all the steak you want and you can eat the fat too. all the vegetables you want also. Eat till you are full. No cutting the size of portions. then do it all again 16 hours later.
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
So, like being poor.
I have been there, it sucked, I prefer steak.
Yes its like being poor for a few hours. but when you eat its all the steak you want and you can eat the fat too. all the vegetables you want also. Eat till you are full. No cutting the size of portions. then do it all again 16 hours later.
I already do that...why do you lot keep assuming you are the only one to have an answer.
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
So, like being poor.
I have been there, it sucked, I prefer steak.
Yes its like being poor for a few hours. but when you eat its all the steak you want and you can eat the fat too. all the vegetables you want also. Eat till you are full. No cutting the size of portions. then do it all again 16 hours later.
I already do that...why do you lot keep assuming you are the only one to have an answer.
True about All of the Diet programs like Nutrisystem. Also about Fasting. Not only is it free, Its real easy. No counting calories, no keeping track of fat grams, no special shopping, no cooking, no washing dishes/clean up, no eating. it's just things you don't do.
So, like being poor.
I have been there, it sucked, I prefer steak.
Yes its like being poor for a few hours. but when you eat its all the steak you want and you can eat the fat too. all the vegetables you want also. Eat till you are full. No cutting the size of portions. then do it all again 16 hours later.
I already do that...why do you lot keep assuming you are the only one to have an answer.
Not like being poor - like goin' to the ATM for all the money you need.
Then, when you eat, you make a bank deposit.
And, if you eat a Human diet, that is whenever you choose, not every Three hours, because you are addicted to sugar and look like a bag of mashed potatoes.
Next week? You will be humpin' my leg again with a smile on your face.
Ha!
The Human diet - is.
Everything else... in not.
Simple.
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
The best thing about the Internet is how many people change other people's mind about stuff in a cordial thoughtful discussion
That's true but not withstanding ,it was a post on the Carnivore diet right here that got me rolling to drop 180 lbs. 5 years ago. I tried it for a month and was constipated from it. I added lots of green vegetables and that did it for me.
I already do that...why do you lot keep assuming you are the only one to have an answer.
This is a trait common to all zealots. They don't listen, they talk.
What part of the Eight-Million-Year old Diet of Man are you referring to?
That's not the Hundred-year old fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
I've been fishing and the post count on this sucker mushroomed on me and I am out of the loop. Are ya'll still arguing with the pastry chef/restauranteur about carbs who doesn't know richard about screw regarding nutrition and human physiology other than what he can copy and paste from some vegan website?
The best thing about the Internet is how many people change other people's mind about stuff in a cordial thoughtful discussion
That's true but not withstanding ,it was a post on the Carnivore diet right here that got me rolling to drop 180 lbs. 5 years ago. I tried it for a month and was constipated from it. I added lots of green vegetables and that did it for me.
But RH...meat and veg is what most of us eat, it is not a secret...it is definitely not something to be lauded or praised...it is normal.
The best thing about the Internet is how many people change other people's mind about stuff in a cordial thoughtful discussion
That's true but not withstanding ,it was a post on the Carnivore diet right here that got me rolling to drop 180 lbs. 5 years ago. I tried it for a month and was constipated from it. I added lots of green vegetables and that did it for me.
But RH...meat and veg is what most of us eat, it is not a secret...it is definitely not something to be lauded or praised...it is normal.
Then explain the 60% Obesity in America that the CDC is reporting?
The best thing about the Internet is how many people change other people's mind about stuff in a cordial thoughtful discussion
That's true but not withstanding ,it was a post on the Carnivore diet right here that got me rolling to drop 180 lbs. 5 years ago. I tried it for a month and was constipated from it. I added lots of green vegetables and that did it for me.
But RH...meat and veg is what most of us eat, it is not a secret...it is definitely not something to be lauded or praised...it is normal.
Glad you are happy. I reverted back to weight loss when this thread should be about the benefit of a specific time restricted eating schedule not aboyt specifics in the diet. Sorry, we shouldn't try to tackel everything all at once.
The best thing about the Internet is how many people change other people's mind about stuff in a cordial thoughtful discussion
That's true but not withstanding ,it was a post on the Carnivore diet right here that got me rolling to drop 180 lbs. 5 years ago. I tried it for a month and was constipated from it. I added lots of green vegetables and that did it for me.
But RH...meat and veg is what most of us eat, it is not a secret...it is definitely not something to be lauded or praised...it is normal.
Glad you are happy. I reverted back to weight loss when this thread should be about the benefit of a specific time restricted eating schedule not aboyt specifics in the diet. Sorry, we shouldn't try to tackel everything all at once.
I don't think only meat and vegetables are the standard though, and I don't mean a processed meal you can just heat up.
It's what I've been trying to get across, all along.
That, & some zealot assuming we all fit his "baby food pyramid" fantasy.
Either it's a Human diet... or it's not.
Eight-Million-years of Human diet... One-Hundred-years of your "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Who's the zealot?
Ha! The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Glad you are happy. I reverted back to weight loss when this thread should be about the benefit of a specific time restricted eating schedule not aboyt specifics in the diet. Sorry, we shouldn't try to tackel everything all at once.
Once again, a restricted eating schedule is nothing new or special, I would be betting most here skip meals when they have something going on. Most days I eat a bit of toast or a couple of eggs for breakfast and eat a meal at night, that is not unusual or different. When I am shearing, cutting trees, or swinging of a shovel, etc...I eat well.
Glad you are happy. I reverted back to weight loss when this thread should be about the benefit of a specific time restricted eating schedule not aboyt specifics in the diet. Sorry, we shouldn't try to tackel everything all at once.
Once again, a restricted eating schedule is nothing new or special, I would be betting most here skip meals when they have something going on. Most days I eat a bit of toast or a couple of eggs for breakfast and eat a meal at night, that is not unusual or different. When I am shearing, cutting trees, or swinging of a shovel, etc...I eat well.
With a Human diet - you can work all day, and eat as much as you want, when you want... and never be hungry.
... or weak. ... or fat. ... or metabolically ill.
Glad you are happy. I reverted back to weight loss when this thread should be about the benefit of a specific time restricted eating schedule not aboyt specifics in the diet. Sorry, we shouldn't try to tackel everything all at once.
Once again, a restricted eating schedule is nothing new or special, I would be betting most here skip meals when they have something going on. Most days I eat a bit of toast or a couple of eggs for breakfast and eat a meal at night, that is not unusual or different. When I am shearing, cutting trees, or swinging of a shovel, etc...I eat well.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
I don't think only meat and vegetables are the standard though, and I don't mean a processed meal you can just heat up.
Damn, I meant to edit my previous post.
Most here don't really do much processed meals, yes we have some fatties...but they don't do physical work.
The unhealthy ones here either screw with drugs or subsist on alcohol.
I know plenty of fatties who do physical work. Mostly they think they are fine and not overweight even if they are30- 40 lbs overweight because everybody is that much overweight. Drugs and alcohol are certainly contributors.
You must not have a Wal Mart there. If you went in one you would see that there's nobody only buying meat and vegetables for groceries. The buggies are full of processed crap and drinks with very little actual quality meat and produce.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
Some of that could be true. I can be too arrogant at times, but you sure are projecting your motives on others. Look in the mirror if you want to see arrogance. 99% of your posts are you arrogantly trying to put someone else in their place, as if you would know where that was. You need to try to understand why you feel the need to belittle others. It comes from a lack of self-respect.
Leave others to their own devices is advice you could sadly use. Have you ever done anything to try to help someone else, or do you only specialize in ridicule? If you followed your own advice, you wouldn't post your constant attacks, but alas, you need to feel better about your miserable self and the only way is to put someone else down and try to prove your superiority. It really is sad. I'll pray for you.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
Some of that could be true. I can be too arrogant at times, but you sure are projecting your motives on others. Look in the mirror if you want to see arrogance. 99% of your posts are you arrogantly trying to put someone else in their place, as if you would know where that was. You need to try to understand why you feel the need to belittle others. It comes from a lack of self-respect.
Leave others to their own devices is advice you could sadly use. Have you ever done anything to try to help someone else, or do you only specialize in ridicule? If you followed your own advice, you wouldn't post your constant attacks, but alas, you need to feel better about your miserable self and the only way is to put someone else down and try to prove your superiority. It really is sad. I'll pray for you.
I am not telling people that they are not human, nor am I attempting to have others live according to my dictates.
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
Some of that could be true. I can be too arrogant at times, but you sure are projecting your motives on others. Look in the mirror if you want to see arrogance. 99% of your posts are you arrogantly trying to put someone else in their place, as if you would know where that was. You need to try to understand why you feel the need to belittle others. It comes from a lack of self-respect.
Leave others to their own devices is advice you could sadly use. Have you ever done anything to try to help someone else, or do you only specialize in ridicule? If you followed your own advice, you wouldn't post your constant attacks, but alas, you need to feel better about your miserable self and the only way is to put someone else down and try to prove your superiority. It really is sad. I'll pray for you.
I am not telling people that they are not human, nor am I attempting to have others live according to my dictates.
The Human diet - is Eight-Million-Years old.
The "every Three hour" baby food diet is maybe a Hundred.
What Don't you understand about this?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
I didn't say it was new or special. It's not just skipping a meal though. Never mind. You have no intention to learn or contribute, just to try to raise an argument.
Where you and that other clown are making your mistake is thinking that you are in a position to teach anyone anything, but your arrogance and need to feel good about your self will not allow either of you to let it be.
Neither of you can leave others to their own devices.
Some of that could be true. I can be too arrogant at times, but you sure are projecting your motives on others. Look in the mirror if you want to see arrogance. 99% of your posts are you arrogantly trying to put someone else in their place, as if you would know where that was. You need to try to understand why you feel the need to belittle others. It comes from a lack of self-respect.
Leave others to their own devices is advice you could sadly use. Have you ever done anything to try to help someone else, or do you only specialize in ridicule? If you followed your own advice, you wouldn't post your constant attacks, but alas, you need to feel better about your miserable self and the only way is to put someone else down and try to prove your superiority. It really is sad. I'll pray for you.
I am not telling people that they are not human, nor am I attempting to have others live according to my dictates.
I already said that not human stuff was too much. Neither am I trying to dictate anything to anyone. I'm just posting information that I found helpful in the hope that someone else would also.
I already said that not human stuff was too much. Neither am I trying to dictate anything to anyone. I'm just posting information that I found helpful in the hope that someone else would also.
Not to be rude RH, but please fuck off...I am trying to get some clown to hang himself in public.
I already said that not human stuff was too much. Neither am I trying to dictate anything to anyone. I'm just posting information that I found helpful in the hope that someone else would also.
Not to be rude RH, but please fuck off...I am trying to get some clown to hang himself in public.
I already said that not human stuff was too much. Neither am I trying to dictate anything to anyone. I'm just posting information that I found helpful in the hope that someone else would also.
Not to be rude RH, but please fuck off...I am trying to get some clown to hang himself in public.
He already has, several pages ago. This thread had potential. Oh well.
Understand that "our" BS meters, have been activated by the Non human.
Everybody, posting on this thread,except him, are real people.
He is nothing more, than a trolling sock puppet !
It is an interesting thread, & I have applauded those who have told their true stories, while sharing some views, as well.
The puppet, has added nothing, but some entertainment, to your thread.
You pretty much covered it.
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Understand that "our" BS meters, have been activated by the Non human.
Everybody, posting on this thread,except him, are real people.
He is nothing more, than a trolling sock puppet !
It is an interesting thread, & I have applauded those who have told their true stories, while sharing some views, as well.
The puppet, has added nothing, but some entertainment, to your thread.
You pretty much covered it.
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Attention whore.
GR
The same repetitive reposting of the same drivel you have posted before...what, don't you have anything original boy.
I know, stand in front of a mirror in your undies and post pictures of your emaciated skinny arse...and do duck lips like all the other girls do.
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Attention whore.
GR
The same repetitive reposting of the same drivel you have posted before...what, don't you have anything original boy.
I know, stand in front of a mirror in you undies and post pictures of your emaciated skinny arse...and do duck lips like all the other girls do.
The facts don't change, princess, just because you want them to.
He already has, several pages ago. This thread had potential. Oh well.
The original premise had potential and as such would have been worth exploring, but it was hijacked early on.
Now all is left is to make damned sure everyone understand what the "nonhuman" turd is.
Fasting - only works with the Human diet.
Otherwise, it's Starving (Withdrawals).
Find an Adult to help you with this simple concept.
Free Education on the Human diet.
Take it or leave it.
GR
Boy, don't you have any other material. Something to jazz it up a little, maybe with a little pizazz.
This time you should try flexing your mighty muscles and see if that impresses us...we know it will look like an Ethiopian gangster pic, but who knows...someone may be impressed.
He already has, several pages ago. This thread had potential. Oh well.
The original premise had potential and as such would have been worth exploring, but it was hijacked early on.
Now all is left is to make damned sure everyone understand what the "nonhuman" turd is.
Fasting - only works with the Human diet.
Otherwise, it's Starving (Withdrawals).
Find an Adult to help you with this simple concept.
Free Education on the Human diet.
Take it or leave it.
GR
Boy, don't you have any other material. Something to jazz it up a little, maybe with a little pizazz.
This time you should try flexing your mighty muscles and see if that impresses us...we know it will look like an Ethiopian gangster pic, but who knows...someone may be impressed.
So you've got nothin'... but your anger, at the facts and the truth that confound you.
The facts don't change, princess, just because you want them to.
Same with your obtuse tantrums.
Ask any Adult.
Free Education on the Human diet.
Take it or leave it.
GR
Free education, from some skinny little ponce that feels the need to pose in his jocks on the internet...make duck lips and flex a bit, it may make you look tougher.
The facts don't change, princess, just because you want them to.
Same with your obtuse tantrums.
Ask any Adult.
Free Education on the Human diet.
Take it or leave it.
GR
Free education, from some skinny little ponce that feels the need to pose in his jocks on the internet...make duck lips and flex a bit, it may make you look tougher.
Projection, princess.
Find an Adult to help you with the confusing parts, which is probably all of it.
Lower primate.
Free Education on the Human diet.
Take it or leave it.
But try, really try, to ask a relevant question, little one.
Understand that "our" BS meters, have been activated by the Non human.
Everybody, posting on this thread,except him, are real people.
He is nothing more, than a trolling sock puppet !
It is an interesting thread, & I have applauded those who have told their true stories, while sharing some views, as well.
The puppet, has added nothing, but some entertainment, to your thread.
You pretty much covered it.
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Understand that "our" BS meters, have been activated by the Non human.
Everybody, posting on this thread,except him, are real people.
He is nothing more, than a trolling sock puppet !
It is an interesting thread, & I have applauded those who have told their true stories, while sharing some views, as well.
The puppet, has added nothing, but some entertainment, to your thread.
You pretty much covered it.
And you are too much of a little girl to address this in the context of the thread:
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey, if anyone would like to give it a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be, and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
The children are afraid.
And the addicted are in denial.
Free Education - Tough sell.
GR
Hell, the children ain't too damn scared to take over this discussion.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
The children are afraid.
And the addicted are in denial.
Free Education - Tough sell.
GR
Hell, the children ain't too damn scared to take over this discussion.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
The children are afraid.
And the addicted are in denial.
Free Education - Tough sell.
GR
Hell, the children ain't too damn scared to take over this discussion.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
The children are afraid.
And the addicted are in denial.
Free Education - Tough sell.
GR
Hell, the children ain't too damn scared to take over this discussion.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
I will make the same offer. If there is a Fire member out there that is dealing with Type 2 diabetes and would like some help turning it around send me a PM. You can loose weight and get off the diabetic meds. You can get healthy again. Chances are you ate yourself into the situation over several years and you can make changes that will get you back on track to a normal lifestyle again. Its not easy, but very doable. If you are serious let me know. I was successful and can help you get started. All my Doctor did was put me on Metformin and glipizide and tell me to try to eat healthy. Everything else I did on my own and I got great results.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
I will make the same offer. If there is a Fire member out there that is dealing with Type 2 diabetes and would like some help turning it around send me a PM. You can loose weight and get off the diabetic meds. You can get healthy again. Chances are you ate yourself into the situation over several years and you can make changes that will get you back on track to a normal lifestyle again. Its not easy, but very doable. If you are serious let me know. I was successful and can help you get started. All my Doctor did was put me on Metformin and glipizide and tell me to try to eat healthy. every else I did on my own and I got great results.
I was successful in my Intermittent Fasting Journey. Having been doing it for 4 years I can honestly say that it has changed my life and overall health.
If anyone reading this thread would like to give Intermittent Fasting a try and wants to lose the weight that is holding you back from being the active happy person that God put you on this planet to be and would like some advice, or information feel free to send me a PM.
I will be happy to share the knowledge I have gained in my journey.
Cheers
I will make the same offer. If there is a Fire member out there that is dealing with Type 2 diabetes and would like some help turning it around send me a PM. You can loose weight and get off the diabetic meds. You can get healthy again. Chances are you ate yourself into the situation over several years and you can make changes that will get you back on track to a normal lifestyle again. Its not easy, but very doable. If you are serious let me know. I was successful and can help you get started. All my Doctor did was put me on Metformin and glipizide and tell me to try to eat healthy. every else I did on my own and I got great results.
jc189, I am certain that you will agree with this:
All you need is the desire, commitment, discipline and a Nothing Will Stop Me Attitude to lose the weight and get healthy again.
Here are two more you didn't mention, if you have High Blood Pressure or Inflammation Issues Intermittent Fasting will fix that as well.
I went to page one and this thread is the typical campfire sh ! tshow from the start. People with good intentions or looking for true help or inspiration and those who attack with baseless or incorrect data or comments only to fuel their narscissist agenda. This includes fk'tards that post photo's of sh ! t food to fan the fire.
I know I was obese to morbidly obese most of my life. It started when I was five being force fed by my grandparents causing me to gain about twenty pounds in one summer. As a kid I had no clue what happened but developed an eating problem that went really bad until I was about sixteen. At 56 I discovered Primal Blueprint and here, the fact that eating triggers insulin release, so on further research found Jason Fung and IF and the sh ! t just jelled. My photo's are here as proof somewhere, nothing to hide.
Primal Blueprint
1. Eat lots of plants and animals (this is not low carb) 2. Avoid poisonous things (crop oils as an example) 3. Move frequently at a comfortable pace 4. Sprint once in a while 5. Get adequate sleep 6. Play 7. Lift heavy things 8. Get adequate sunlight 9. Avoid stupid mistakes 10. Use your brain
Not specifically listed but in the details of #1, avoid grains and sugar. Exceptions are fruit and recommended to avoid fruit if fat loss is the goal but otherwise limited.
My A1C was 8.9 and now it's less than 5.6 and I am no longer taking Metformin for many years, thanks to PB and probably more so due to IF.
In a push to see the abs I can feel, I started another continuous fast (water and non-calorie liquids) on 7/5 at 205 and this morning I am 187 and will continue to 7/31 and break the fast only for my daughters who want to take me to dinner for my birthday that has passed. I don't lift heavy but I lift three days a week and really concentrate on my core that benefits my track riding. I lift the same now as I do when not fasting, so my fasting has limited if any reduction in muscle mass because I am fully fueled by the fat remaining on my core and not "starving". If I am not seeing my abs after a short break I will continue my fast that requires no effort, none, it also saves me a lot of time and money. The fact that I am and have been in ketosis from day two, is simply confirmation that I am burning fat, and since I am not eating the ONLY source is body fat.
The public in general don't or won't support fasting and that's perfectly fine, for the rest of us who know better we will be healthy and stronger for living with an open mind.
Even Fung states in his book don't even tell people you are are fasting...it's wasted effort and I am believing he is correct.
My A1C was 8.9 and now it's less than 5.6 and I am no longer taking Metformin for many years, thanks to PB and probably more so due to IF.
Quoting because this is the most important thing by far in your post. The other stuff while good does not mean nearly as much because diabetes and or insulin resistance is the granddaddy of all diseases according to many.
You have found the proper diet for your metabolism regardless of the macros. You say it is not low carb but based on your description, my guess is that it is significantly lower than the standard diet which you were eating when you were overweight.
Exercise is great but you didn't fix that A1c with exercise, you did it with diet.
RDW, Congrats on doing your research and changing your life. Dr. Jason Fung is the real deal. Your story along with many others can not be disputed. This thread started out with good intentions, to post some info that could help people that need some help. Hence the title (IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
But in true campfire fashion it quickly turned into
look at me, I'm perfect, Look what the Fuuck I can cook.
I went to page one and this thread is the typical campfire sh ! tshow from the start.
That is nothing compared to having your own homosexual stalker, like I do lol
Congratulations on transforming your life RDM! Like so many of us with slow metabolisms, we are fortunate to have discovered Intermittent Fasting.
I have seen Dr. Jason Fung mentioned often here, but I personally never heard of him. One day I was on YouTube looking at diets and came across The Snake Diet, the founder "Cole" turns a lot of people off but I find him hilarious. After watching all of his videos, I took the plunge, and 90 days later I was 65 lbs. lighter, lowered my blood pressure, and eliminated my inflammation issues.
Anyone that has come here saying that you burn away all of your muscle or it's dangerous, has no idea of what they are talking about. I feel amazing and will be Intermittent Fasting for the rest of my life.
When you mentioned: "I was five being force fed by my grandparents causing me to gain about twenty pounds in one summer" I doubt that they were doing it intentionally, to them most likely going through the depression, it was an act of love. Our Grandparents did not have the type of information we do these days.
The current fad "every Three hours" baby food diet - pushed by the Agricultural and Processed Food industry, in conjunction with the Federal Government USDA "Food Pyramid" fraud...?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
I did keto OMAD (one meal a day) for a while. Got amazing results but I wasn't disciplined enough to keep it up. I took a break, and, well you know the rest. Was going to get back on it this week but then transition to 2 meals a day to hopefully stick to it longer.
My A1C was 8.9 and now it's less than 5.6 and I am no longer taking Metformin for many years, thanks to PB and probably more so due to IF.
Quoting because this is the most important thing by far in your post. The other stuff while good does not mean nearly as much because diabetes and or insulin resistance is the granddaddy of all diseases according to many.
You have found the proper diet for your metabolism regardless of the macros. You say it is not low carb but based on your description, my guess is that it is significantly lower than the standard diet which you were eating when you were overweight.
Exercise is great but you didn't fix that A1c with exercise, you did it with diet.
I'm glad for you.
Exactly. Diabetes is rampant on my mother's side of the family. I got diagnosed about 6 or 7 years ago. I was at 8.8 A1c. I had done the low carb thing before and experienced dramatic, rapid weight loss. With the positive diagnosis. I changed my lifestyle and never looked back. I went from a miserable, depressed 6'2 270lbs to hovering around 193-200. My energy dramatically improved, my self esteem radically improved and my A1c dropped to 5.5 to where I'm basically in diabetic remission. I wear clothes sizes I wore in my 20's. I continue to get great comments from my doctors using words like excellent and outstanding. I'm 62 and am in fantastic health because I avoid carbs. I'm never hungry and never want what I had before. I'm a huge proponent of low a carb lifestyle because I've lived both worlds.
I started "IF" over a year ago. I am 55 years old and a farrier by trade. As with many tradesmen I had arthritis, some pretty intense inflammation, aches and pains. I had gone from shoeing 5 horses a day to only three. I attempted some exercise to get healthier for about 6 months all to no avail. I was running one mile in the morning before work, push ups, situps etc. 6 months in I was still at one mile with a sore knee and hip continually plaguing me. Thats when I learned about intermittent fasting and applied it to my daily regiment! Of course according to half the stupid mf'ers that post here it obviously made zero fk'n difference so let me explain how smart these stupid mf'ers really are!!!
Two months ago I ran a 100 miles in one week challenge and did it in 4 days. Two of those 4 days I ran over 30 miles. I run 12 to 20 miles three times a week. Usually two 12 mile days and a 20 mile day at the end of the week
Last week I hiked the Cirque of the Towers in Wyoming in one fk'ing day with a 55 lb pack! That's 18 miles with two black diamond passes at 12,000 feet elevation with 5' of snow on the passes
I shoe over 10 horses everyday now when I'm working
Some very stupid mf'ers post on the campfire is all I can say. Some of these people would know a fk'ing clue if it hit them right between there pointing fk'ing eyes
Intermittent fasting is likely the most life changing thing for the better that you will ever do
My fasting page on Facebook that I started is called
"Fasting for Health and Fitness" We are at 1800 members now world wide If your not one of these fk'ing retards by all means come and join our fasting page
I started "IF" over a year ago. I am 55 years old and a farrier by trade. As with many tradesmen I had arthritis, some pretty intense inflammation, aches and pains. I had gone from shoeing 5 horses a day to only three. I attempted some exercise to get healthier for about 6 months all to no avail. I was running one mile in the morning before work, push ups, situps etc. 6 months in I was still at one mile with a sore knee and hip continually plaguing me. Thats when I learned about intermittent fasting and applied it to my daily regiment! Of course according to half the stupid mf'ers that post here it obviously made zero fk'n difference so let me explain how smart these stupid mf'ers really are!!!
Two months ago I ran a 100 miles in one week challenge and did it in 4 days. Two of those 4 days I ran over 30 miles. I run 12 to 20 miles three times a week. Usually two 12 mile days and a 20 mile day at the end of the week
Last week I hiked the Cirque of the Towers in Wyoming in one fk'ing day with a 55 lb pack! That's 24 miles with two black diamond passes at 12,000 feet elevation with 5' of snow.
I shoe over 10 horses everyday now when I'm working
Some very stupid mf'ers post on the campfire is all I can say. Some of these people would know a fk'ing clue if it hit there right between there pointing fk'ing eyes
I started "IF" over a year ago. I am 55 years old and a farrier by trade. As with many tradesmen I had arthritis, some pretty intense inflammation, aches and pains. I had gone from shoeing 5 horses a day to only three. I attempted some exercise to get healthier for about 6 months all to no avail. I was running one mile in the morning before work, push ups, situps etc. 6 months in I was still at one mile with a sore knee and hip continually plaguing me. Thats when I learned about intermittent fasting and applied it to my daily regiment! Of course according to half the stupid mf'ers that post here it obviously made zero fk'n difference so let me explain how smart these stupid mf'ers really are!!!
Two months ago I ran a 100 miles in one week challenge and did it in 4 days. Two of those 4 days I ran over 30 miles. I run 12 to 20 miles three times a week. Usually two 12 mile days and a 20 mile day at the end of the week
Last week I hiked the Cirque of the Towers in Wyoming in one fk'ing day with a 55 lb pack! That's 24 miles with two black diamond passes at 12,000 feet elevation with 5' of snow.
I shoe over 10 horses everyday now when I'm working
Some very stupid mf'ers post on the campfire is all I can say. Some of these people would know a fk'ing clue if it hit there right between there pointing fk'ing eyes
Carry on
Time to post a selfie of your badassedness
LOL
You ran a Marathon 4 consecutive days?
Better yet! Meet me over by Portland Oregon in september and we can both enter the ultimate beast spartan race together. Pretty sure I won't see your 10 second deadlifting endurance ass there will I. Your a one trick short lived pony not a badass. I'm probably 100 lbs less than you and I can assuredly walk you straight into the dirt with a 100 lb pack. In fact I would put money on that but carry on with your picturess dreams
I started "IF" over a year ago. I am 55 years old and a farrier by trade. As with many tradesmen I had arthritis, some pretty intense inflammation, aches and pains. I had gone from shoeing 5 horses a day to only three. I attempted some exercise to get healthier for about 6 months all to no avail. I was running one mile in the morning before work, push ups, situps etc. 6 months in I was still at one mile with a sore knee and hip continually plaguing me. Thats when I learned about intermittent fasting and applied it to my daily regiment! Of course according to half the stupid mf'ers that post here it obviously made zero fk'n difference so let me explain how smart these stupid mf'ers really are!!!
Two months ago I ran a 100 miles in one week challenge and did it in 4 days. Two of those 4 days I ran over 30 miles. I run 12 to 20 miles three times a week. Usually two 12 mile days and a 20 mile day at the end of the week
Last week I hiked the Cirque of the Towers in Wyoming in one fk'ing day with a 55 lb pack! That's 24 miles with two black diamond passes at 12,000 feet elevation with 5' of snow.
I shoe over 10 horses everyday now when I'm working
Some very stupid mf'ers post on the campfire is all I can say. Some of these people would know a fk'ing clue if it hit there right between there pointing fk'ing eyes
Carry on
Time to post a selfie of your badassedness
LOL
You ran a Marathon 4 consecutive days?
Better yet! Meet me over by Portland Oregon in september and we can both enter the ultimate beast spartan race together. Pretty sure I won't see your 10 second deadlifting endurance ass there will I. Your a one trick short lived pony not a badass. I'm probably 100 lbs less than you and I can assuredly walk you straight into the dirt with a 100 lb pack. In fact I would put money on that but carry on with your picturess dreams
I’d like to see a guy who claims to run 4 marathons in 4 days.
This forum is FULL of LYING LIARS
LOL
Um, that wouldn't be that hard. He didn't say fast. Heck, he didn't even say all at once.
I agree Goalie, there are a good number of athletes that run 100 miles in 24 hours so to run it in 4 days is no special feat. It seems RCA believes it to be impossible. Tells you how low he sets his bar
I’d like to see a guy who claims to run 4 marathons in 4 days.
This forum is FULL of LYING LIARS
LOL
Um, that wouldn't be that hard. He didn't say fast. Heck, he didn't even say all at once.
I agree Goalie, there are a good number of athletes that run 100 miles in 24 hours so to run it in 4 days is no special feat. It seems RCA believes it to be impossible. Tells you how low he sets his bar
I’d like to see a guy who claims to run 4 marathons in 4 days.
This forum is FULL of LYING LIARS
LOL
Um, that wouldn't be that hard. He didn't say fast. Heck, he didn't even say all at once.
I agree Goalie, there are a good number of athletes that run 100 miles in 24 hours so to run it in 4 days is no special feat. It seems RCA believes it to be impossible. Tells you how low he sets his bar
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
They’re called stage races. We have one coming up locally that’s 3-days and 75 miles through the greenway over by ragged mountain. The final day is a 50k (actually 33 miles, but who’s counting).
There have been many successful stories told in this thread. Stories of people that were not in the best of health and decided to do something about it. Some were overweight, some with diabetes, inflammation, High blood pressure, aches and pains, etc. Most just felt like $chit everyday and things were getting worse not better. They decided to turn this around and change there lives and get healthy.
Through Intermittent Fasting and a low carb diet they achieved miraculous results. To the point that they even got off all there meds. They decided to share these results to hopefully help others that may be looking for some answers. People that may be looking to change there life and get healthy also.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT. See those that are calling these individuals liars for what they are.
There are two type of people in this world. Those that stop and reach out a helping hand to someone in need. And those that will not stop, but walk on by and say, man it sucks to be you. Good luck with that $chit as they continue on there way. after reading this thread it's easy to tell who is who.
There have been many successful stories told in this thread. Stories of people that were not in the best of health and decided to do something about it. Some were overweight, some with diabetes, inflammation, High blood pressure, aches and pains, etc. Most just felt like $chit everyday and things were getting worse not better. They decided to turn this around and change there lives and get healthy.
Through Intermittent Fasting and a low carb diet they achieved miraculous results. To the point that they even got off all there meds. They decided to share these results to hopefully help others that may be looking for some answers. People that may be looking to change there life and get healthy also.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT. See those that are calling these individuals liars for what they are.
There are two type of people in this world. Those that stop and reach out a helping hand to someone in need. And those that will not stop, but walk on by and say, man it sucks to be you. Good luck with that $chit as they continue on there way. after reading this thread it's easy to tell who is who.
There have been many successful stories told in this thread. Stories of people that were not in the best of health and decided to do something about it. Some were overweight, some with diabetes, inflammation, High blood pressure, aches and pains, etc. Most just felt like $chit everyday and things were getting worse not better. They decided to turn this around and change there lives and get healthy.
Through Intermittent Fasting and a low carb diet they achieved miraculous results. To the point that they even got off all there meds. They decided to share these results to hopefully help others that may be looking for some answers. People that may be looking to change there life and get healthy also.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT. See those that are calling these individuals liars for what they are.
There are two type of people in this world. Those that stop and reach out a helping hand to someone in need. And those that will not stop, but walk on by and say, man it sucks to be you. Good luck with that $chit as they continue on there way. after reading this thread it's easy to tell who is who.
Is it weird belonging to a cult?
😂😂😂
Did your big brother piss in your wheaties a lot? It's not difficult to read your cry for help! This is not normal big boy behavior
There have been many successful stories told in this thread. Stories of people that were not in the best of health and decided to do something about it. Some were overweight, some with diabetes, inflammation, High blood pressure, aches and pains, etc. Most just felt like $chit everyday and things were getting worse not better. They decided to turn this around and change there lives and get healthy.
Through Intermittent Fasting and a low carb diet they achieved miraculous results. To the point that they even got off all there meds. They decided to share these results to hopefully help others that may be looking for some answers. People that may be looking to change there life and get healthy also.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT. See those that are calling these individuals liars for what they are.
There are two type of people in this world. Those that stop and reach out a helping hand to someone in need. And those that will not stop, but walk on by and say, man it sucks to be you. Good luck with that $chit as they continue on there way. after reading this thread it's easy to tell who is who.
Is it weird belonging to a cult?
😂😂😂
Did your big brother piss in your wheaties a lot? It's not difficult to read your cry for help! This is not normal big boy behavior
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT..
Clark and yourself are top of the BS list.
You knew nothing about Gluconeogenesis foolishly calling 'BS' on the process. Clark didn't know meaning of 'Macronutrients' Then we have his absurd tall story claim of prayers curing cancer in 30 days which is on par with his 'sugar is the devil' nonsense.
Any book that describes ketoacidosis and refers to it as ketosis should be thrown away. That is complete metabolic garbage.
Diabetics can be in Ketosis/Ketonemia state without DKA unless Ketonemia rises to a point where it's considered DKA. I believe that is what the above article is inferring. ie; essentially Ketogenesis is operating way too fast causing excessive and dangerous buildup of acidic ketones.
Proof that PB and IF works, and the indicator of fat metabolism *ketosis* is not harmful.....and 60% daily carbs as suggested is total and complete BS.
The internet is a great place, plenty of good solid information although people absolutely have to recognize when self-proclaimed experts sh !t out of the wrong hole....
While marathons, endurance athletics are worthy topics to discuss, it's on the other end of the spectrum of weight loss dieting. It does emphasize my point that it's genetics, activity and diet in that order.
Marathoners can't function on a low calorie diet, calorie intake is based on body weight per mile. A 135lb athlete will require about 3000 calories for the event, a 100 mile event will require almost 12,000 calories. The more you weigh the more you need.
There's a couple guys on here representing a good balance of activity and diet according to their genetics and lifestyle situations.
You are not going to do a 7 day endurance event and a 7 day fast at the same time.
While marathons, endurance athletics are worthy topics to discuss, it's on the other end of the spectrum of weight loss dieting. It does emphasize my point that it's genetics, activity and diet in that order.
Marathoners can't function on a low calorie diet, calorie intake is based on body weight per mile. A 135lb athlete will require about 3000 calories for the event, a 100 mile event will require almost 12,000 calories. The more you weigh the more you need.
There's a couple guys on here representing a good balance of activity and diet according to their genetics and lifestyle situations.
You are not going to do a 7 day endurance event and a 7 day fast at the same time.
Balance...
Kent
That's very true. Also, the data regarding endurance sports isn't good. I now don't run more than an hour.
You can walk for less impact, but less cardio. Calorie wise you burn the same amount as running, running faster, running fastest... it's only a time difference.
There's a significant difference doing cardio and at least sitting in HR zone 2 or 3 compared to walking. Intervals are also awesome for actual aerobic capacity increases.
I mountain bike more than run now and use a spin bike in the winter.
Mark Sisson may know a little about endurance sports....
I never really thought much about turning 70. In the back of my mind, I knew it was coming but I never gave it much thought. I've led a pretty busy life—I guess I was just focused on living and experiencing it. But last week, I turned 70 and found myself reflecting on the question of aging and longevity.
1. I don't care about living to 140 or 160. It's not worth it to deprive myself of good wine, good food, and good sun just to hit some theoretical, unproven "optimum" that may or may not extract a few extra days on the backend. I'll leave that to the biohackers. As ee cummings once said, "There is some [bleep] I will not eat."
2. I don't fear death. The inevitable finality of death is what gives life meaning. Every moment of every day of your life is imbued with purpose and beauty because of what lies at the end of the road. When you know and accept that you're going to die someday, it becomes obligatory to enjoy and savor life.
3. Give me good a 25-30 more years of mobility, strength, access to thoughts and memories... and I'm a happy man. A content man. Live long, drop dead.
4. After all the business ventures (successful and less than), book deals, lives changed, jars of mayo sold, the thing I'm most proud of is having children. Perhaps more important, though, is seeing my children have children. Becoming grandparents has really made Carrie and I feel like the circle has closed. The genes have passed on. That's as Primal as it gets. And don't worry, folks. I still plan on hammering away for a good 20 or 30 more years. There's still plenty of work to be done. Thanks for being here all this time. #LiveAwesome
While marathons, endurance athletics are worthy topics to discuss, it's on the other end of the spectrum of weight loss dieting. It does emphasize my point that it's genetics, activity and diet in that order.
It's interesting to me that the whole "food pyramid" hoax started being questioned because of the health problems of Olympic level endurance athletes. Their need for 10 even 12K calories was met by the dieticians through carbs, carbs and "carb loading". And we started seeing these marvelous physical specimens in amazing shape becoming insulin resistant and even diabetic.
We can go down the rabbit hole of discussing if genetics, activity or diet is more important --- but to what end? We know at this point that diet can overcome both activity and genetics. We also know activity is necessary for optimal health, but high levels of cardio are not. Genetics -- we can't do a dam thing about.
So focus on diet and activity, and reap the clear benefits
While marathons, endurance athletics are worthy topics to discuss, it's on the other end of the spectrum of weight loss dieting. It does emphasize my point that it's genetics, activity and diet in that order.
It's interesting to me that the whole "food pyramid" hoax started being questioned because of the health problems of Olympic level endurance athletes. Their need for 10 even 12K calories was met by the dieticians through carbs, carbs and "carb loading". And we started seeing these marvelous physical specimens in amazing shape becoming insulin resistant and even diabetic.
We can go down the rabbit hole of discussing if genetics, activity or diet is more important --- but to what end? We know at this point that diet can overcome both activity and genetics. We also know activity is necessary for optimal health, but high levels of cardio are not. Genetics -- we can't do a dam thing about.
So focus on diet and activity, and reap the clear benefits
I'm referencing the two extremes brought up on here by others, I didn't bring them up. Obviously there will be health dangers in either extreme.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT..
Clark and yourself are top of the BS list.
You knew nothing about Gluconeogenesis foolishly calling 'BS' on the process.
gluconeogenesis
The process of making glucose (sugar) from its own breakdown products or from the breakdown products of lipids (fats) or proteins. Gluconeogenesis occurs mainly in cells of the liver or kidney. I never called gluconeogenesis BS. That's why I posted this study.
gluconeogenesis does burn some proteins. But a very small amount. (See graph below) it only has a small protein spike on day one until the body makes the transition to burning body fats. Then the portein burn falls off and stays that way while the body burns fat/kytones. Once the carbohydrats are burned off this is what happens.
study done by Kevin Hall from the NHI
Blue line (protein burn) Green line (Fat/Ketone burn)
While marathons, endurance athletics are worthy topics to discuss, it's on the other end of the spectrum of weight loss dieting. It does emphasize my point that it's genetics, activity and diet in that order.
Top tier runners, cycling stage racers, swimmers, etc. all diet down prior to competitions. Their primary aim is to get their body fat percentage as low as possible while preserving their power output per body weight as best they can. Fighters do this as well but a bit differently, more along the lines of what body builders do (Dan Duchaine's Body Opus explains it well for those guys).
Sure the great big fat people need to drop weight ASAP. Most don't have much muscle to preserve anyway though most think they do. Any actual power output would minuscule when measured on a watts per kilogram basis.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT..
Clark and yourself are top of the BS list.
You knew nothing about Gluconeogenesis foolishly calling 'BS' on the process.
gluconeogenesis
The process of making glucose (sugar) from its own breakdown products or from the breakdown products of lipids (fats) or proteins. Gluconeogenesis occurs mainly in cells of the liver or kidney. I never called gluconeogenesis BS. That's why I posted this study.
gluconeogenesis does burn some proteins. But a very small amount. (See graph below) it only has a small protein spike on day one until the body makes the transition to burning body fats. Then the portein burn falls off and stays that way while the body burns fat/kytones. Once the carbohydrats are burned off this is what happens.
study done by Kevin Hall from the NHI
Blue line (protein burn) Green line (Fat/Ketone burn)
And, during fasting, Autophagy will provide recycled proteins necessary for gluconeogenesis.
Eight-Million years of Human evolution - living in a "food desert."
... and then this:
High Carbohydrate Agriculture - is the feed of Human food.
Opus is for athletes with low body fat, not recommended for anyone else, worthy of a discussion of itself just not in this thread topic... which was my point about marathons.
To get to the point that an Opus diet will benefit, the person would have to be more committed to the physical aspect than the diet.
It's easier to eat less/better in whatever manner that takes than work the body.
If you are dedicated with both there will come a time where activity is more important, that's where folks should want to get to.
There will always be the skeptics who refuse to believe! Generally those people have never even tried it because they are far to intelligent. I'm a results person and I base all of my ideas of of results. With the information I have learned in the fasting world my daughter has cured herself of autoimmune disease! I have a good friend who cured himself of type 2 diabetes. I cured 100% my arthritis. It is absolutely and completely GONE! There are a large amount of testimonials from start to finish on this thread! The answers change lives and help people in big ways. When people show up and purposely try to derail the thread or shut down the information you have to ask yourself why? If your a student of psychology you have likely read about the behavior of narcissist, social paths, or psychopaths. It's a progressive disease and while undesirable you should feel sorry for people who have this problem. It means they were hurt very badly at some point in there life, likely molested by an uncle or bubba down the street and now are acting out against all of society! Have you ever heard the saying....Hurt people, try to hurt people! This explains the actions of most trolls on this sight
What can you do about it? Simply ignore them! Trolls dont matter one bit! Have a positive discussion sharing awesome information and completely ignore those who have been literally [bleep]'ed in the ars for most of there life. It's a simple solution to a sad man problem
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT..
Clark and yourself are top of the BS list.
You knew nothing about Gluconeogenesis foolishly calling 'BS' on the process.
gluconeogenesis
The process of making glucose (sugar) from its own breakdown products or from the breakdown products of lipids (fats) or proteins. Gluconeogenesis occurs mainly in cells of the liver or kidney. I never called gluconeogenesis BS. That's why I posted this study.
gluconeogenesis does burn some proteins. But a very small amount. (See graph below) it only has a small protein spike on day one until the body makes the transition to burning body fats. Then the portein burn falls off and stays that way while the body burns fat/kytones. Once the carbohydrats are burned off this is what happens.
study done by Kevin Hall from the NHI
Blue line (protein burn) Green line (Fat/Ketone burn)
And, during fasting, Autophagy will provide recycled proteins necessary for gluconeogenesis.
Eight-Million years of Human evolution - living in a "food desert."
... and then this:
High Carbohydrate Agriculture - is the feed of Human food.
GR
The self proclaimed experts here have probably never heard of Autophagy. And probably have never put their body into the state of Autophagy. If and when they experience it, then maybe they can speak of it. You gotta get there to know what there is.
I hope if anyone reading this looking for some help can sift through the BULLSCHIT..
Clark and yourself are top of the BS list.
You knew nothing about Gluconeogenesis foolishly calling 'BS' on the process.
gluconeogenesis
The process of making glucose (sugar) from its own breakdown products or from the breakdown products of lipids (fats) or proteins. Gluconeogenesis occurs mainly in cells of the liver or kidney. I never called gluconeogenesis BS. That's why I posted this study.
gluconeogenesis does burn some proteins. But a very small amount. (See graph below) it only has a small protein spike on day one until the body makes the transition to burning body fats. Then the portein burn falls off and stays that way while the body burns fat/kytones. Once the carbohydrats are burned off this is what happens.
study done by Kevin Hall from the NHI
Blue line (protein burn) Green line (Fat/Ketone burn)
And, during fasting, Autophagy will provide recycled proteins necessary for gluconeogenesis.
Eight-Million years of Human evolution - living in a "food desert."
... and then this:
High Carbohydrate Agriculture - is the feed of Human food.
GR
The self proclaimed experts here have probably never heard of Autophagy. And probably have never put their body into the state of Autophagy. If and when they experience it, then maybe they can speak of it. You gotta get there to know what there is.
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast. It's something like 24 hours fasted if you are a carb burner and 12 if in ketosis. There is some level of autophagy that occurs during just sleep but it's not the deeper levels that is claimed to cause such great benefits. Autophagy is a pretty big deal in that the Nobel Prize was awarded for autophagy research somewhere about 2017-2019, just off the top of my head, but it wasn't that long ago the point. The science of health has made some advancements that not many people are keeping up with.
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast. It's something like 24 hours fasted if you are a carb burner and 12 if in ketosis. There is some level of autophagy that occurs during just sleep but it's not the deeper levels that is claimed to cause such great benefits. Autophagy is a pretty big deal in that the Nobel Prize was awarded for autophagy research somewhere about 2017-2019, just off the top of my head, but it wasn't that long ago the point. The science of health has made some advancements that not many people are keeping up with.
Question: During a 24 hour fast is it permissible to imbibe green tea...also, what is the status of coffee with milk?
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast. It's something like 24 hours fasted if you are a carb burner and 12 if in ketosis. There is some level of autophagy that occurs during just sleep but it's not the deeper levels that is claimed to cause such great benefits. Autophagy is a pretty big deal in that the Nobel Prize was awarded for autophagy research somewhere about 2017-2019, just off the top of my head, but it wasn't that long ago the point. The science of health has made some advancements that not many people are keeping up with.
Question: During a 24 hour fast is it permissible to imbibe green tea...also, what is the status of coffee with milk?
For me it's yes to tea of any kind.
I have two double shot cappuccino's every morning with Truvia and milk foam so a very small amount of milk and have zero issue staying in ketosis <<< and that is some seriously bad sh ! t that may just kill you according to the self-proclaimed expert.
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast. It's something like 24 hours fasted if you are a carb burner and 12 if in ketosis. There is some level of autophagy that occurs during just sleep but it's not the deeper levels that is claimed to cause such great benefits. Autophagy is a pretty big deal in that the Nobel Prize was awarded for autophagy research somewhere about 2017-2019, just off the top of my head, but it wasn't that long ago the point. The science of health has made some advancements that not many people are keeping up with.
Question: During a 24 hour fast is it permissible to imbibe green tea...also, what is the status of coffee with milk?
The fast is probably best defined as a time without calories. Tea without sweetener or black coffee will not break a fast. Exactly what will break a fast sort of depends on the person. An artificial zero calorie sweetener could technically break the fast depending on the person, or various amounts of things like a small amount of milk in coffee may or may not. You would have to wear a continuous glucose monitor to know for sure but just black coffee, water, or unsweetened tea won't for sure.
Time actually fasted is also another aspect that can change among individuals as technically it would only biologically start after you had completely digested your last meal, at least to the point of not using calories from that meal. At lot of that would depend on what you ate and how much. But for practical purposes it's mostly counted as simply not consuming calories.
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast.
What's an Autophagy? Is that someone who shoots the 6.5 Creedmoor from an AR platform? 😁
Surprisingly, Autophagy is the most interesting aspect of this entire thread.
I wish there was a way to determine if it works at truly destroying bad cells...but since it is supposed to be triggered by fasting I will take it for no additional effort on my part!
Question: During a 24 hour fast is it permissible to imbibe green tea...also, what is the status of coffee with milk?
For me it's yes to tea of any kind.
I have two double shot cappuccino's every morning with Truvia and milk foam so a very small amount of milk and have zero issue staying in ketosis <<< and that is some seriously bad sh ! t that may just kill you according to the self-proclaimed expert.
Okay...I shall give it a go for a month.
Starting this Saturday I shall fast for 24 hours, repeat weekly...or weakly as the case may be.
If you are already in ketosis, you can get into Autophagy about twice as fast.
What's an Autophagy? Is that someone who shoots the 6.5 Creedmoor from an AR platform? 😁
Surprisingly, Autophagy is the most interesting aspect of this entire thread.
I wish there was a way to determine if it works at truly destroying bad cells...but since it is supposed to be triggered by fasting I will take it for no additional effort on my part!
I think it's pretty conclusive that it does destroy bad cells. You can read the study that won the Nobel prize and see for yourself, but I've seen many commentaries by respectable people that say that were the findings. One aspect though is that the deep Autophagy may take a 24-36 hour fast with zero calories. Just because something you consumed didn't change your ketone levels much doesn't necessarily mean it didn't affect the autophagy process.
The fast is probably best defined as a time without calories. Tea without sweetener or black coffee will not break a fast. Exactly what will break a fast sort of depends on the person. An artificial zero calorie sweetener could technically break the fast depending on the person, or various amounts of things like a small amount of milk in coffee may or may not. You would have to wear a continuous glucose monitor to know for sure but just black coffee, water, or unsweetened tea won't for sure.
Time actually fasted is also another aspect that can change among individuals as technically it would only biologically start after you had completely digested your last meal, at least to the point of not using calories from that meal. At lot of that would depend on what you ate and how much. But for practical purposes it's mostly counted as simply not consuming calories.
Friday night dinner to a Sunday morning bacon and eggs (with copious green tea) for a month seems like a reasonable test of theory.
The fast is probably best defined as a time without calories. Tea without sweetener or black coffee will not break a fast. Exactly what will break a fast sort of depends on the person. An artificial zero calorie sweetener could technically break the fast depending on the person, or various amounts of things like a small amount of milk in coffee may or may not. You would have to wear a continuous glucose monitor to know for sure but just black coffee, water, or unsweetened tea won't for sure.
Time actually fasted is also another aspect that can change among individuals as technically it would only biologically start after you had completely digested your last meal, at least to the point of not using calories from that meal. At lot of that would depend on what you ate and how much. But for practical purposes it's mostly counted as simply not consuming calories.
Friday night dinner to a Sunday morning bacon and eggs (with copious green tea) for a month seems like a reasonable test of theory.
That should do it, but it would also be beneficial to research it a bit as I remember reading some recommendations about what to eat before a fast and what is best after.
That should do it, but it would also be beneficial to research it a bit as I remember reading some recommendations about what to eat before a fast and what is best after.
That should do it, but it would also be beneficial to research it a bit as I remember reading some recommendations about what to eat before a fast and what is best after.
You are pushing the friendship sport.
This kind of comment is why I am just going to ignore you from now on. You are an ass no matter what and I just don't need to listen to you.
That should do it, but it would also be beneficial to research it a bit as I remember reading some recommendations about what to eat before a fast and what is best after.
You are pushing the friendship sport.
This kind of comment is why I am just going to ignore you from now on. You are an ass no matter what and I just don't need to listen to you.
You seem irritable. Probably due to a lack of carbohydrates
That should do it, but it would also be beneficial to research it a bit as I remember reading some recommendations about what to eat before a fast and what is best after.
You are pushing the friendship sport.
This kind of comment is why I am just going to ignore you from now on. You are an ass no matter what and I just don't need to listen to you.
You seem irritable. Probably due to a lack of carbohydrates
The fast is probably best defined as a time without calories. Tea without sweetener or black coffee will not break a fast. Exactly what will break a fast sort of depends on the person. An artificial zero calorie sweetener could technically break the fast depending on the person, or various amounts of things like a small amount of milk in coffee may or may not. You would have to wear a continuous glucose monitor to know for sure but just black coffee, water, or unsweetened tea won't for sure.
Time actually fasted is also another aspect that can change among individuals as technically it would only biologically start after you had completely digested your last meal, at least to the point of not using calories from that meal. At lot of that would depend on what you ate and how much. But for practical purposes it's mostly counted as simply not consuming calories.
Friday night dinner to a Sunday morning bacon and eggs (with copious green tea) for a month seems like a reasonable test of theory.
This is a very good description of the fasting events and intervals, including Autophagy:
“A brand new study out of UC San Francisco tested intermittent fasting and found that it's no more effective for losing weight than eating throughout the day.
Ruh-roh.
That's bad enough news for practitioners of the 16:8 plan (where dieters restrict their eating to an 8-hour window), but things look even worse when you tease apart the results. It seems that the intermittent fasters in the study lost significantly more muscle mass than those in the control group. Double ruh-roh.
What They Did and What They Found
The study involved 116 men and women between the ages of 18 and 64. Half of the subjects were allowed to eat whatever they wanted to and however much they wanted to for an 8-hour window (12 PM to 8 PM). The other half was instructed to eat 3 "structured meals" per day.
Twelve weeks later, the "time-restricted eating" (TRE) group lost an average of 2 pounds (0.94 kg). On its own, that seems pretty good, but then you notice that the "consistent meal time" (CMT) group also lost weight, an average of 1.5 pounds (0.68 kg).
The thing is, people involved in clinical weight-loss trials almost always lose weight, so yeah, the TRE group lost two pounds but it's really no better, by scientific standards at least, than the 1.5 pounds lost by the control group.
Furthermore, the scientists didn't detect any metabolic changes between the two groups after 12 weeks. Fasting insulin, fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C levels, estimated energy intake, total energy expenditure, and resting energy expenditure were all virtually the same.
The only notable difference was, alas, in lean muscle mass. The TRE group lost significantly more muscle than the control group.”
“A brand new study out of UC San Francisco tested intermittent fasting and found that it's no more effective for losing weight than eating throughout the day.
Ruh-roh.
That's bad enough news for practitioners of the 16:8 plan (where dieters restrict their eating to an 8-hour window), but things look even worse when you tease apart the results. It seems that the intermittent fasters in the study lost significantly more muscle mass than those in the control group. Double ruh-roh.
What They Did and What They Found
The study involved 116 men and women between the ages of 18 and 64. Half of the subjects were allowed to eat whatever they wanted to and however much they wanted to for an 8-hour window (12 PM to 8 PM). The other half was instructed to eat 3 "structured meals" per day.
Twelve weeks later, the "time-restricted eating" (TRE) group lost an average of 2 pounds (0.94 kg). On its own, that seems pretty good, but then you notice that the "consistent meal time" (CMT) group also lost weight, an average of 1.5 pounds (0.68 kg).
The thing is, people involved in clinical weight-loss trials almost always lose weight, so yeah, the TRE group lost two pounds but it's really no better, by scientific standards at least, than the 1.5 pounds lost by the control group.
Furthermore, the scientists didn't detect any metabolic changes between the two groups after 12 weeks. Fasting insulin, fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C levels, estimated energy intake, total energy expenditure, and resting energy expenditure were all virtually the same.
The only notable difference was, alas, in lean muscle mass. The TRE group lost significantly more muscle than the control group.”
It's what one eats - in conjunction with Intermittent Fasting.
An "every Three hours" baby food diet, restricted to Eight hours a day?
“People are really excited about not eating these days. There are several variations of fasting or intermittent fasting diets floating around. Some proponents even bristle at the term "diet." It's a lifestyle, they say... usually in all caps on Facebook and Instagram.
The short-term effects seem pretty good, and weight loss is common. But what about the long-term effects? Researchers are now taking a look.
The New Study
In this study, researchers put subjects on an intermittent fasting plan consisting of every-other-day eating. In other words, one day of fasting, then one day of calorie-controlled eating. This was repeated for 3 months.
Note: The equivalent to this is often called "alternate day" fasting, and a quick Google search shows that lot of folks are trying it.
The Results
The subjects lost weight, but ironically gained abdominal fat, what some doctors call "central adiposity" in humans.
The cells of the pancreas that release insulin showed signs of damage
Markers of insulin resistance were detected.
Increased levels of cancer-causing free radicals were observed.
Researcher Ana Bonassa noted, "This is the first study to show that, despite weight loss, intermittent fasting diets may actually damage the pancreas and affect insulin function in normal healthy individuals, which could lead to diabetes and serious health issues."
“ Intermittent fasting (IF) first came on my radar almost a decade ago from several big names in the fitness and nutrition industry. Proponents talked about all the benefits which went beyond fat loss, like reduced blood lipids and blood pressure, reduced markers of inflammation, increased cellular turnover and repair, increased growth hormone and metabolic rate, etc.
So of course this piqued my interest not only for me but also my clients. And we all spent time trying variations of IF, including the common 16-hour fast with an 8-hour window of eating. We also did 24-hour fasts and 12-hour fasts.
I wanted to believe in this strategy, and for some it's still valid. But after giving it a fair shot, I found some fundamental issues with its effectiveness and practicality. Hunger suppression was one area that made me change my mind on IF.
A number of hormones that regulate hunger, appetite, and satisfaction are in play after a meal. For example, both leptin and insulin decrease hunger, giving your brain the message of satisfaction and "turning off" the need to eat.
A side effect of fasting is that, for some, these hormones get out of balance, leading you to become unresponsive to cues that tell you whether you're full and should stop eating. And if people alter their hunger hormones, they find themselves battling an uncontrollable appetite. Once they eat, the satiation cues telling them to stop won't register. Their appetites are insatiable. I know a number of people who have done IF and found that they've binged following fasting.
Another negative is the excess stress and insomnia from fasting. Any time you go without food for long periods you activate the flight or fight sympathetic nervous system and increase cortisol secretion in order for the body to mobilize energy stores.
For people who already have a lot of stress in their daily life (including training) fasting may increase it further, upping the body's cortisol levels, which has a number of negative effects. Cortisol is catabolic – it can break down muscle tissue and make it harder to build muscle. The combination of fasting and cortisol can produce obsessive thoughts about food which raises anxiety, causing a further release of cortisol.
High cortisol and the activation of the hypocretin neurons incite wakefulness, leading to insomnia. I experienced this and heard from others who did too.
Finally, a study by Bogdan looking at the effect of Ramadam fasting found significant alterations in testosterone release, suggesting an alteration in circadian function.
A lot of IF advocates will promote studies that show no drop in strength or lean mass from their fasting protocols. One 8-week study with natural bodybuilders did show that the test group and control group achieved similar results in strength and muscle mass. However, a big point is that testosterone and IGF-1 did decrease significantly in the fasting group.
I also struggled to be proactive both physically and mentally during specific points in the day when fasting. But this isn't uncommon; even IF advocates schedule meetings and other appointments during the feeding window.
Although there's evidence to support this protocol as a fat loss strategy, for me there are too many factors that make IF unsuitable because of how it affects stress, sleep, and testosterone production – all vital components in building muscle. Also, the inability to control your appetite and nutritional choices during the feeding windows can produce more problems than benefits.“
“People are really excited about not eating these days. There are several variations of fasting or intermittent fasting diets floating around. Some proponents even bristle at the term "diet." It's a lifestyle, they say... usually in all caps on Facebook and Instagram.
The short-term effects seem pretty good, and weight loss is common. But what about the long-term effects? Researchers are now taking a look.
The New Study
In this study, researchers put subjects on an intermittent fasting plan consisting of every-other-day eating. In other words, one day of fasting, then one day of calorie-controlled eating. This was repeated for 3 months.
Note: The equivalent to this is often called "alternate day" fasting, and a quick Google search shows that lot of folks are trying it.
The Results
The subjects lost weight, but ironically gained abdominal fat, what some doctors call "central adiposity" in humans.
The cells of the pancreas that release insulin showed signs of damage
Markers of insulin resistance were detected.
Increased levels of cancer-causing free radicals were observed.
Researcher Ana Bonassa noted, "This is the first study to show that, despite weight loss, intermittent fasting diets may actually damage the pancreas and affect insulin function in normal healthy individuals, which could lead to diabetes and serious health issues."
Again...
It's what one eats - in conjunction with Intermittent Fasting.
An "every Three hours" baby food diet, restricted to Eight hours a day?
I work-out 2 times per week. I combine 22 minutes of cardio (running on treadmill, ~ 8 min miles) and upper body weights (bench press, dumbell press, tricep pull down and arm curls). At 53, I am in excellent shape. However, I struggle with insomnia. As noted above, the exercise is probably contributing to high cortisol levels--which is ultimately counterproductive as I struggle with energy on those bad nights. Unfortunately, I have to take sleeping pills, but I am working myself off of them and now only take them the night before a workout.
“ Intermittent fasting (IF) first came on my radar almost a decade ago from several big names in the fitness and nutrition industry. Proponents talked about all the benefits which went beyond fat loss, like reduced blood lipids and blood pressure, reduced markers of inflammation, increased cellular turnover and repair, increased growth hormone and metabolic rate, etc.
So of course this piqued my interest not only for me but also my clients. And we all spent time trying variations of IF, including the common 16-hour fast with an 8-hour window of eating. We also did 24-hour fasts and 12-hour fasts.
I wanted to believe in this strategy, and for some it's still valid. But after giving it a fair shot, I found some fundamental issues with its effectiveness and practicality. Hunger suppression was one area that made me change my mind on IF.
A number of hormones that regulate hunger, appetite, and satisfaction are in play after a meal. For example, both leptin and insulin decrease hunger, giving your brain the message of satisfaction and "turning off" the need to eat.
A side effect of fasting is that, for some, these hormones get out of balance, leading you to become unresponsive to cues that tell you whether you're full and should stop eating. And if people alter their hunger hormones, they find themselves battling an uncontrollable appetite. Once they eat, the satiation cues telling them to stop won't register. Their appetites are insatiable. I know a number of people who have done IF and found that they've binged following fasting.
Another negative is the excess stress and insomnia from fasting. Any time you go without food for long periods you activate the flight or fight sympathetic nervous system and increase cortisol secretion in order for the body to mobilize energy stores.
For people who already have a lot of stress in their daily life (including training) fasting may increase it further, upping the body's cortisol levels, which has a number of negative effects. Cortisol is catabolic – it can break down muscle tissue and make it harder to build muscle. The combination of fasting and cortisol can produce obsessive thoughts about food which raises anxiety, causing a further release of cortisol.
High cortisol and the activation of the hypocretin neurons incite wakefulness, leading to insomnia. I experienced this and heard from others who did too.
Finally, a study by Bogdan looking at the effect of Ramadam fasting found significant alterations in testosterone release, suggesting an alteration in circadian function.
A lot of IF advocates will promote studies that show no drop in strength or lean mass from their fasting protocols. One 8-week study with natural bodybuilders did show that the test group and control group achieved similar results in strength and muscle mass. However, a big point is that testosterone and IGF-1 did decrease significantly in the fasting group.
I also struggled to be proactive both physically and mentally during specific points in the day when fasting. But this isn't uncommon; even IF advocates schedule meetings and other appointments during the feeding window.
Although there's evidence to support this protocol as a fat loss strategy, for me there are too many factors that make IF unsuitable because of how it affects stress, sleep, and testosterone production – all vital components in building muscle. Also, the inability to control your appetite and nutritional choices during the feeding windows can produce more problems than benefits.“
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“ Mathieu Bouchard, N.D., said it best: "Nutritional ketosis is an essential survival mechanism that ensures metabolic flexibility during prolonged fasting or lack of carbohydrate ingestion." (1)
That's something people fail to understand. It means that the purpose of ketosis is to safeguard against starvation when energy intake is insufficient.
The body really doesn't want to be in ketosis. Think about it. If ketosis were a favored energy system, it would be the primary system we use all the time. Rather, glycolysis and fat oxidation are the primary energy systems. Ketosis is only there to help you survive when you can't fuel your body properly for a brief period.
Ketosis is like the spare tire of your car. It can "work," but it's not optimal for long-term use.
This is evidenced by several studies establishing that work capacity (especially in intense activities) goes down when using a ketogenic diet.
You can use fat for fuel without being in ketosis. In fact, you could eat 1000 grams of carbs per day and still use fat for fuel.
Remember, ketosis is a safety mechanism triggered to provide fuel for your brain in case of a glucose shortage. Yes, the body uses fatty acids to produce ketones. So, technically, ketosis does use fat for fuel. But not all of the fat usage for fuel is done through ketosis.
Most tissues requiring energy can use fat oxidation or glycolysis for fuel. The main exception is the brain. The brain can only use glucose or ketones for fuel, not fatty acids directly.
As long as the brain has enough glucose to work properly, there's no real need to resort to ketosis, which is more complex than using glucose. Glucose can come from the carbs you eat, but it can also be produced by breaking down protein into amino acids. The liver turns some of them into glucose.
That's why if your protein intake is really high, even if your carbs are close to zero, you might not get into ketosis: you have enough amino acids to produce glucose to fuel the brain.
The body will start producing ketone bodies significantly when carbs and protein intake are insufficient to produce the glucose required for the brain to work. That's why it's a survival mechanism. It happens when you don't ingest the nutrients required to fuel the brain. And having a functional brain is kinda important.
A lot of people claiming to be doing a "keto diet" might not actually be doing a keto diet. True keto recommendations normally include consuming at least 60-70% of your calories from fat.
Ketosis is NOT being "fat-adapted" (although it's a catchy concept). You can use fat for fuel just fine. What they call "fat-adapted" is simply your body producing enough ketones to fully fuel the brain – not having to break down muscle tissue to make some glucose to make up for the insufficient ketones.
In a nutshell, you can function on a backup generator, but it's not optimal.
I'm not going to make any friends here, but facts are facts. Keto and other low-carb diet approaches lead to higher cortisol levels, especially in response to training.
One study found a large cortisol increase in the first two days of low-carb eating. It became "less bad" after two weeks, but it was still higher than the higher-carb diet. (3)
Why? Well, the two key functions of cortisol are:
Mobilizing stored energy for fuel
Elevating blood glucose when it's too low
While number one is more dependent on caloric intake, number two is heavily influenced by carb intake. A diet leading to low blood glucose levels (any low-carb plan) will lead to higher cortisol and glucagon to mobilize stored glucose (as glycogen), or to break down muscle tissue into amino acids to have the liver convert them to glucose.
Why does it matter?
Because high cortisol makes it harder to build muscle. High cortisol, over time, decreases the conversion of T4 (precursor of thyroid hormone) into T3 (active thyroid hormone), thus decreasing metabolic rate. High cortisol can lead to lower testosterone and estrogen levels. Not to mention, a low-carb diet leads to a lower work capacity during intense workouts. And, of course, keto dieting is inferior for muscle growth. I suspect that the higher cortisol is part of the reason, but not the only one.
"Yeah, but keto works great for me, bro!"
I'm not saying it can't work. And it's certainly better than how many people are eating. But don't let personal bias, emotional bias, or recency bias cloud your objectivity!”
“ Mathieu Bouchard, N.D., said it best: "Nutritional ketosis is an essential survival mechanism that ensures metabolic flexibility during prolonged fasting or lack of carbohydrate ingestion." (1)
That's something people fail to understand. It means that the purpose of ketosis is to safeguard against starvation when energy intake is insufficient.
You are the one that is failing to understand this.
The Adult Human diet is almost devoid of carbohydrates, save Seasonal fruit, which triggers a "gorge" response, to Store fat.
So the body runs comfortably from meal to meal, on fat, without Starving.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet, on the other hand, Triggers withdrawals and Starvation.
“ Here's one argument we often hear to support using a ketogenic or low-carb diet:
You have essential fatty acids and essential amino acids, but there are no essential carbohydrates!"
This is a classic case of something not meaning what keto proponents think it means. In their minds, it means that carbs are not needed in a diet; they're an inferior class of nutrient.
That's NOT what "non-essential" means in nutritional science:
Non-essential means the body can make something by converting other nutrients into it. Essential means your body can't make it on its own from other nutrients. And because your body can't make it, you need to supply it via nutrition. As for carbs (glucose), the body can make them by converting some amino acids into glucose – gluconeogenesis. The body can also convert lactate (lactic acid) into glucose. That's why they're called "non-essential." It has nothing to do with how important they are.
"Yeah, but I'll just let my body produce its own glucose from protein! No need to eat those nasty carbs; I'll just make up what I need!"
Sure, good luck with that. The body converts amino acids to glucose at a 30% efficiency rate (or less). To make it simple, to make up 160 grams of glucose – the daily amount necessary for the proper function of organs, not counting physical activity – you'd need to convert 530 grams of protein, or more, into glucose.
Good luck adding muscle if you need 530 grams of protein just to support glucose production!
The point? Yes, you can produce glucose from other substances, and that makes it non-essential. But it doesn't mean that carbs aren't necessary, especially if we're talking about a hard-training individual who wants to build muscle or perform at a high level.
This also doesn't account for the fact that carbs have physiological effects outside of simply providing energy: physiological effects (increases in IGF-1, mTOR activation, reduction in cortisol, etc.) that will not be present to a significant extent by converting other substances into carbs.
In short, carbs being "non-essential" does not make them a less important macronutrient.“
“ Here's one argument we often hear to support using a ketogenic or low-carb diet:
You have essential fatty acids and essential amino acids, but there are no essential carbohydrates!"
This is a classic case of something not meaning what keto proponents think it means. In their minds, it means that carbs are not needed in a diet; they're an inferior class of nutrient.
That's NOT what "non-essential" means in nutritional science:
Non-essential means the body can make something by converting other nutrients into it. Essential means your body can't make it on its own from other nutrients. And because your body can't make it, you need to supply it via nutrition. As for carbs (glucose), the body can make them by converting some amino acids into glucose – gluconeogenesis. The body can also convert lactate (lactic acid) into glucose. That's why they're called "non-essential." It has nothing to do with how important they are.
"Yeah, but I'll just let my body produce its own glucose from protein! No need to eat those nasty carbs; I'll just make up what I need!"
Sure, good luck with that. The body converts amino acids to glucose at a 30% efficiency rate (or less). To make it simple, to make up 160 grams of glucose – the daily amount necessary for the proper function of organs, not counting physical activity – you'd need to convert 530 grams of protein, or more, into glucose.
Good luck adding muscle if you need 530 grams of protein just to support glucose production!
The point? Yes, you can produce glucose from other substances, and that makes it non-essential. But it doesn't mean that carbs aren't necessary, especially if we're talking about a hard-training individual who wants to build muscle or perform at a high level.
This also doesn't account for the fact that carbs have physiological effects outside of simply providing energy: physiological effects (increases in IGF-1, mTOR activation, reduction in cortisol, etc.) that will not be present to a significant extent by converting other substances into carbs.
In short, carbs being "non-essential" does not make them a less important macronutrient.“
The Liver makes all the glucose the body needs - from protein.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet floods the body with excess sugar, packs a lot of it away as fat, and then crashes, leading to withdrawals/starvation.
Fasting - is simply allowing the Human body to work as evolved - eating low carb/high fat meals when encountered, and happily running on stored fat in between.
Who said anything about curing type 1 diabetes. Of course there in no cure for type 1 diabetes. In type 1 diabetes the pancreas does not produce insulin. Without insulin you die. But IM Fasting can certainly reverse Type II diabetes. There is theory and there is reality, Search the web long enough and you can find theory on anything. But the proof that is provided about IM Fasting from members on this site can not be disputed. You can call them liars if you like. But that doesn't mean their stories are not true. And the pic's posted are fake. IM Fasting may not be for everyone. If your physically fit, healthy and happy with your life. Then good for you, continue with what works for you. But unless you have Experienced turning around Type II diabetes, High blood pressure, inflammation, etc. getting off meds you have been on and getting your blood work completely back to within normal limits. Then don't try to tell people that what they have done is not going to work for them.
It already has. You might as well argue that the Sun didn't come up today. After reading some of the success stories that have been posted from fellow Fire members you should probably just say. Hey I'm happy for you. I am glad you got healthy, Just don't try to make me do what you do. JMO
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
A few years ago, researchers from the University of Texas Health Science Center reported that diet sodas made people fat. In fact, they got pretty damn specific about it. They said that every can of soda you drink increases your chance of being overweight by 41%.
I'm not even sure exactly what the hell that means. Should we infer that drinking two and a half diet sodas at a Mets game would make our chance of being fat 102.5%, which means that it's a mathematical certainty and we should stop at the tailor on the way home to have our pants let out because the fat be-a-comin' soon?
Probably not. Anyhow, they had several theories as to why diet drinks might make you fat.
First, they said that exposure to sweetness (in artificially sweetened drinks) might increase the psychological desire for sweetness. Second, they figured that maybe people, upon feeling all proud and puffy-chested about having banked some calories, would then overcompensate by eating an entire Bundt cake or something.
Others thought that the artificial sweeteners, despite lacking any calories, might have an insulinogenic response and cause people to physically crave more sugar. All their guesses had the taint of plausibility around them. Too bad they were all wrong.
I won't bore you, but subsequent studies (Sorenson, 2014, Rogers, 2018) have found pretty much the opposite of the Texas study – people who drank diet sodas lost more weight than the sugar drinkers.
Bottom line, the calorie reduction you get from drinking diet drinks as opposed to sugar-sweetened drinks is more important than any of the theories about how diet drinks could supposedly make you ingest more calories.“
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
A few years ago, researchers from the University of Texas Health Science Center reported that diet sodas made people fat. In fact, they got pretty damn specific about it. They said that every can of soda you drink increases your chance of being overweight by 41%.
I'm not even sure exactly what the hell that means. Should we infer that drinking two and a half diet sodas at a Mets game would make our chance of being fat 102.5%, which means that it's a mathematical certainty and we should stop at the tailor on the way home to have our pants let out because the fat be-a-comin' soon?
Probably not. Anyhow, they had several theories as to why diet drinks might make you fat.
First, they said that exposure to sweetness (in artificially sweetened drinks) might increase the psychological desire for sweetness. Second, they figured that maybe people, upon feeling all proud and puffy-chested about having banked some calories, would then overcompensate by eating an entire Bundt cake or something.
Others thought that the artificial sweeteners, despite lacking any calories, might have an insulinogenic response and cause people to physically crave more sugar. All their guesses had the taint of plausibility around them. Too bad they were all wrong.
I won't bore you, but subsequent studies (Sorenson, 2014, Rogers, 2018) have found pretty much the opposite of the Texas study – people who drank diet sodas lost more weight than the sugar drinkers.
Bottom line, the calorie reduction you get from drinking diet drinks as opposed to sugar-sweetened drinks is more important than any of the theories about how diet drinks could supposedly make you ingest more calories.“
Chemicals - are always a good idea, when your "every Three hours" baby food diet makes you fat.
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
The cultists got their wittle feewings hurt.
😂😂😂
C@ck lickers don't hurt my feelings, just a question, that's all....
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
The cultists got their wittle feewings hurt.
😂😂😂
Not at all but you are trying to refute something you did not view yourself. Why should your information be truthful, yet you dismiss the video I posted from a professor and research scientist without even viewing it?
My personal experience is that IM works for me. It's not just weight control -- I can better concentrate in the morning with an empty stomach and I often workout late in the morning and much prefer to do so on a totally empty stomach. I also try to avoid processed junk and sugar as much as I can.
My personal experience is that IM works for me. It's not just weight control -- I can better concentrate in the morning with an empty stomach and I often workout late in the morning and much prefer to do so on a totally empty stomach. I also try to avoid processed junk and sugar as much as I can.
Pretty sensible approach, isn't it? Yet we hear that not eating a big breakfast and supper may be the most harmful thing ever. I guess you need snacks too, and don't worry about the cola, it turns out it's good for you.
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
The cultists got their wittle feewings hurt.
😂😂😂
Not at all but you are trying to refute something you did not view yourself. Why should your information be truthful, yet you dismiss the video I posted from a professor and research scientist without even viewing it?
I watched the video.
You’re dismissing pages of information based on referenced scientific studies
The fact is IM Fasting and a low carb diet has been absolutely proven here by real members in real life. It is fact and can not be disputed.
However you seem to not believe it. Like said earlier. You might as well argue that the sun did not come up today. The claims being made have already happened. Proven fact. For some reason or other you just don't like it and think the proven results are lies.
So Chef Boyardee, you don't think there are any studies that show benefits from IF, Keto, or carnivore?
You can find "studies" to support anything you want.
Ancel Keyes did a flawed study called the 7 countrys study in the 1960's which sold the world on a high grain, high carb, high sugar, low fat diet that has inflicted the world with diabetes and obesity like has never been imagined.
Aint' you got some sweet rolls in the oven or something!
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
The cultists got their wittle feewings hurt.
😂😂😂
Not at all but you are trying to refute something you did not view yourself. Why should your information be truthful, yet you dismiss the video I posted from a professor and research scientist without even viewing it?
I watched the video.
You’re dismissing pages of information based on referenced scientific studies
Well thanks for watching it then. I am not dismissing all your information. I don't think you are arguing with the Andrew Huberman video though because the only recommendation I got from it is that it is likely best to consume all your calories for the day in an 8-hour window. That's not that drastic of a thing. I don't think you are trying to say that it's impossible to be healthy by only eating for 8 hours every day. We can discuss if always being in Ketosis is good or not, but that has near zilch to do with fasting.
If the brain shuts down from a lack of carbohydrate were in BIG trouble. If the brain shuts down we die. I guess all the people around the world who have been fasting for thousands of years should all have died from lack of carbs. That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I guess all the people that Fast need to have a muffin in a glass case that says BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY for when the carbs burn off so we don't die.
“Myth 10: Artificial Sweeteners Make You Gain Weight
Clearly not agreeing with fasting or ketosis and a proponent of high carbs including grains, and you being such a stud in your own mind based on your photo, what are you gaining by the continuous flame of those who think differently?
Amazing that simply sharing information with referenced studies easily found in any search can be construed as “flaming”
The cultists got their wittle feewings hurt.
😂😂😂
Not at all but you are trying to refute something you did not view yourself. Why should your information be truthful, yet you dismiss the video I posted from a professor and research scientist without even viewing it?
I watched the video.
You’re dismissing pages of information based on referenced scientific studies
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I say eat what what ever the FUUCK you want. I'm not trying to tell anyone to Fast. I could care less. But dont tell me what I did over the last 3 years is just not gonna work. Because it did.
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I shall see if fasting has any benefit. But you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
That other fellow is quite simply a fuckwit, and will not change.
I say eat what what ever the FUUCK you want. I'm not trying to tell anyone to Fast. I could care less. But dont tell me what I did over the last 3 years is just no gonna work. Because it did.
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I shall see if fasting has any benefit. But you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
That other fellow is quite simply a [bleep], and will not change.
What has frightened you so, little one?
A simple Adult Human diet, some exercise, and a little fasting?
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I shall see if fasting has any benefit. But you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
That other fellow is quite simply a fuckwit, and will not change.
A simple Adult Human diet, some exercise, and a little fasting?
Maybe you're just hungry.
GR
Pretty obvious you are a bullshit artist.
So prove it.
Tons of facts, proof, and testimonials with pics in this thread, from me and others.
Have at it, little one.
GR
Nobody on this board has any use for you.
Nobody want the facts that they have poor marksmanship skills, and are on an "every Three hour" baby food diet that is rocket-sledding them into Metabolic illness and disease... wants me pointing that out, and offering simple solutions.
Nobody want the facts that they have poor marksmanship skills, and are on an "every Three hour" baby food diet that is rocket-sledding them into Metabolic illness and disease... wants me pointing that out, and offering simple solutions.
Pity.
GR
No one appreciates the stink of shit, you reek of it.
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I shall see if fasting has any benefit. But you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
That other fellow is quite simply a fuckwit, and will not change.
Agreed
Not sure we are talking about the same fellow, but this has defiantly gone off the rails.
Nobody want the facts that they have poor marksmanship skills, and are on an "every Three hour" baby food diet that is rocket-sledding them into Metabolic illness and disease... wants me pointing that out, and offering simple solutions.
Pity.
GR
No one appreciates the stink of shit, you reek of it.
Not sure we are talking about the same fellow, but this has defiantly gone off the rails.
Just highlighting where the stench is coming from, RC has a differing opinion, as does KB...which makes for lively discourse and interesting rabbit holes to wander through.
But that other piece of crap is aught worthwhile and should have been left on the sheets to dry.
Not sure we are talking about the same fellow, but this has defiantly gone off the rails.
Just highlighting where the stench is coming from, RC has a differing opinion, as does KB...which makes for lively discourse and interesting rabbit holes to wander through.
But that other piece of crap is aught worthwhile and should have been left on the sheets to dry.
Yeah... Fact and the Truth can be confounding and frustrating.
The title of the thread is ( IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity.)
NOT
IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity is a bunch of Bullschidt and you fuuckers don't have a clue. And by the way that Schit is bad for you too,
I shall see if fasting has any benefit. But you are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
That other fellow is quite simply a fuckwit, and will not change.
Agreed
Not sure we are talking about the same fellow, but this has defiantly gone off the rails.
An interesting viewpoint on muscle mass, cognitive ability, autoimmune issues, and carbs....for anyone left who is remotely serious or interested at this point.
An interesting viewpoint on muscle mass, cognitive ability, autoimmune issues, and carbs....for anyone left who is remotely serious or interested at this point.
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
It's amazing what your body can do when you quit consuming a bunch of carbs.
Anyone that thinks anyone that eats a well-rounded meal once a day (on a 24-hour cycle) vs. 2 or three meals a day is OFF THEIR ROCKER! lol
You may want to reread that and expand upon it so the rest of us get what you are attempting to convey.
Yeah, right !
Be careful now.
Killer Bee didn’t properly finish and construct his sentencing. It’s common when you average 7.8 carbs per day.
You are correct I should have written:
Anyone that thinks SOMEONE that eats a well-rounded meal (including carbs) once a day on a 24-hour cycle is doing something bad to themselves vs. EATING OVEREATING 3 times a day is OFF THEIR ROCKER! lol
I only eat once a day and get all the carbs I need, I eat deserts too when I eat once a day.
Some deserts I eat, loaded in CARBS and I made them all myself!
The Ketosissies may want to rethink things if they are even half objective after reading the information I posted
If you can only eat once daily or use a high fat/low carbohydrate diet because “you’ll get fat”, you may want to add something to your lifestyle
It’s called Fuqking exercise
Lift some heavy chit off of the floor and do something to get your heart rate above 120 bpm at least 3X per week
Skinny-fat ketosissies…
Either one eats Adult Human food - or baby food, like a baby, every Three hours.
Your Propaganda really doesn't affect Eight-Million years of evolution, or the anecdotal success of all the Adults that have shifted to it.
Exercise - is very important.
But for the baby food diet, it burns some of the sugars you just ate, making fat out of the rest, and then starves, depressing the metabolism, to conserve that fat.
For Keto, the body burns dietary fat, and then switches to stored fat, seamlessly.
No withdrawals, no Starvation.
And, since fat is the efficient, preferred fuel of the body - it's like runnin' down hill, or with a tail wind.
Looks like pizza alla margarita is the best choice
For a HUMAN who MOVES
and doesn’t just waste away muscle
Skinnyfat Ketosissies are funny
Exercise - is very important.
But for the baby food diet, it burns some of the sugars you just ate, making fat out of the rest, and then starves, depressing the metabolism, to conserve that fat.
For Keto, the body burns dietary fat, and then switches to stored fat, seamlessly.
No withdrawals, no Starvation.
And, since fat is the efficient, preferred fuel of the body - it's like runnin' down hill, or with a tail wind.
And why call it an "every Three hour" baby food diet?
Grams Per 100 Calories: Protein / Fat / Carbs
Human milk - 1.5 / 5.5 / 11.0
Cheese Pizza - 4.5 / 3.6 / 11.7
Adult Keto - 5.9 / 8.0 / 0.6
Still wonder why babies, and adults on a baby food diet, eat every Three hours and get fat?
Nature.
Some of us grow up.
Free Education.
Take it or leave it.
GR
Another excellent video with great information.
If you are still following this thread for informational reasons instead of pure entertainment. Check this one out. And if you are interested in good health, it appears the most important thing is NOT what you eat. It's what you DON'T eat.
It's water weight right now, so don't get discouraged when those numbers decrease substantially. Anyone who lowers carbohydrates will see a huge water weight loss at first and often give up when the needle stops moving.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Longbob, thanks for posting. I noticed that changing things up have helped me also.
You are welcome. It seems as if my body tries to conserve the fat in ways that it is a constant game of cat and mouse. Caffeine and other things can block my ketosis so most of my time is reverse engineering what I did or consumed along the effects.
My wife was a little lit on wine the other day and blew into my meter like it was a breathalyzer. The sumbish read 50 which I didn't think was possible. It made her look like she was in ketoacidosis. Thought she screwed up my meter. Dammit.
Question What is the association of intermittent fasting with health outcomes and what is the strength of evidence of studies on intermittent fasting?
Findings This umbrella review of 11 meta-analyses of randomized clinical trials describing 104 outcomes associated with intermittent fasting on obesity-related health outcomes found 6 statistically significant associations of intermittent fasting supported by moderate to high quality of evidence. Outcomes associated with modified alternate-day fasting included a moderate reduction of body weight, body mass index, and cardiometabolic risk factors in adults with overweight or obesity.
Meaning This review suggests that intermittent fasting may have a beneficial role in improving anthropometric and cardiometabolic outcomes, especially for adults with overweight or obesity.
Go to: Abstract Importance Several meta-analyses of randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have demonstrated the many health benefits of intermittent fasting (IF). However, there has been little synthesis of the strength and quality of this evidence in aggregate to date.
Objective To grade the evidence from published meta-analyses of RCTs that assessed the associations of IF (zero-calorie alternate-day fasting, modified alternate-day fasting, the 5:2 diet, and time-restricted eating) with obesity-related health outcomes.
Evidence Review PubMed, Embase, and Cochrane database of systematic reviews were searched from database inception to January 12, 2021. Data analysis was conducted from April 2021 through July 2021. Meta-analyses of RCTs investigating effects of IF in adults were included. The effect sizes of IF were recalculated using a random-effects model. We assessed the quality of evidence per association by applying the GRADE criteria (Grading of Recommendations, Assessment, Development, and Evaluations) as high, moderate, low, and very low.
Findings A total of 11 meta-analyses comprising 130 RCTs (median [IQR] sample size, 38 [24-69] participants; median [IQR] follow-up period, 3 [2-5] months) were included describing 104 unique associations of different types of IF with obesity-related health outcomes (median [IQR] studies per association, 4 [3-5]). There were 28 statistically significant associations (27%) that demonstrated the beneficial outcomes for body mass index, body weight, fat mass, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, total cholesterol, triglycerides, fasting plasma glucose, fasting insulin, homeostatic model assessment of insulin resistance, and blood pressure. IF was found to be associated with reduced fat-free mass. One significant association (1%) supported by high-quality evidence was modified alternate-day fasting for 1 to 2 months, which was associated with moderate reduction in body mass index in healthy adults and adults with overweight, obesity, or nonalcoholic fatty liver disease compared with regular diet. Six associations (6%) were supported by moderate quality evidence. The remaining associations found to be significant were supported by very low (75 associations [72%]) to low (22 associations [21%]) quality evidence.
Conclusions and Relevance In this umbrella review, we found beneficial associations of IF with anthropometric and cardiometabolic outcomes supported by moderate to high quality of evidence, which supports the role of IF, especially modified alternate-day fasting, as a weight loss approach for adults with overweight or obesity. More clinical trials with long-term follow-up are needed to investigate the effects of IF on clinical outcomes such as cardiovascular events and mortality.
Go to: Introduction Intermittent fasting (IF) has recently gained much public interest as a weight loss approach.1 IF is a unique dietary strategy defined as periods of eating alternated with periods of not eating (fasting).2 IF focuses on when food is consumed and total quantity consumed. IF works through an altered liver metabolism, referred to as the metabolic switch, where the body periodically switches from liver-derived glucose to adipose cell–derived ketones during fasting periods. Fasting stimulates adaptive cellular responses including improved glucose regulation, increased stress resistance, suppressed inflammation, and the upregulation of autophagy where damaged molecules are removed or repaired to defend against oxidative and metabolic stress.3 It is hypothesized that altering body metabolism will lead to long-term health benefits.4
Clinical trials have demonstrated the benefits of IF for many health conditions, especially obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases, through reduced weight and improved cardiometabolic parameters.3 Several systematic reviews and meta-analyses of randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have been published and demonstrated several health benefits of IF as well.5,6,7,8 However, many of these meta-analyses focused on a subset of types of IF or specific health outcomes. To date, there has been little synthesis of the strength and quality of this evidence in aggregate. This umbrella review aimed to systematically identify relevant meta-analyses of RCTs of IF, summarize their findings, and assess the strength of evidence to provide an aggregate picture of benefits associated with each type of IF on obesity-related health outcomes.
Go to: Methods The protocol of this study was registered with Open Science Framework (OSF)9 (eAppendix in the Supplement). This umbrella review reported following the 2020 Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Reviews and Meta-analyses (PRISMA) reporting guideline.
Search Strategy and Eligibility Criteria We searched PubMed, EMBASE, and Cochrane database of systematic reviews from inception to January 12, 2021, to identify meta-analyses of RCTs (eTable 1 in the Supplement). No language restriction was applied. Identified articles were imported to EndNote and duplicates were removed. Two reviewers (C.P. and K.R.) independently performed screening of titles and abstracts for relevance and selected studies after examining the full text of the potentially eligible articles. Any discrepancies were resolved by discussion with the third reviewer (S.K.V.).
To be included, the studies met the following criteria: meta-analyses of RCTs investigating associations of IF with obesity-related health outcomes among adults with or without any medical conditions in comparison with any comparators including continuous energy restriction or regular diet. When more than 1 meta-analysis was available for the same research question, we selected the meta-analysis with the largest data set, as previously described.10,11,12 We excluded articles without full text, reviews, and meta-analyses of studies with other study designs and those without a control group.
Types of IF included in this review were (1) zero-calorie alternate-day fasting (zero-calorie ADF), which involved alternating days of fasting with zero caloric intake and days of ad libitum eating; (2) modified alternate-day fasting (MADF), which alternated between days of ad libitum eating and days of fasting with total caloric intake ranging from 0% to 40% or 0 to 600 kcal per day for 3 to 5 days per week; (3) the 5:2 diet, in which participants fasted for 1 to 2 days per week (either consecutively and nonconsecutively) with total caloric intake ranging from 0% to 40% or 0 to 600 kcal per day and 5 days of ad libitum eating; and (4) time-restricted eating (TRE), which involved fasting for 12 to 24 hours per day.13,14
Data Extraction and Quality Assessment Data extraction and quality assessment was independently performed by 2 reviewers (K.R. and V.C.) and checked by other 2 reviewers (C.P. and S.K.V.) (eMethods in the Supplement). Discrepancies were resolved with consensus. The quality of meta-analyses was assessed using A Measurement Tool to Assess Systematic Reviews (AMSTAR-2) and graded as high, moderate, low, or critically low.15
Data Synthesis Effect sizes were categorized based on the population, intervention, comparator, and outcomes to create a list of unique associations with IF. For each outcome associated with IF in a meta-analysis, we recalculated the effect sizes as mean difference (MD) with corresponding 95% CIs using the DerSimonian and Laird random-effects model.16 P < .05 was considered statistically significant in 2-sided tests. Heterogeneity was assessed with I2 statistics.17 The evidence for small-study effects was assessed by Egger regression asymmetry test.18 P < .10 was taken as statistical evidence of the presence of small-study effects. Statistical analyses were conducted using Stata version 15.0 (StataCorp).
We assessed the quality of evidence per effect provided in a meta-analysis by applying the GRADE criteria (Grading of Recommendations, Assessment, Development, and Evaluations) in 5 domains including (1) risk of bias in the individual studies, (2) inconsistency, (3) indirectness, (4) imprecision, and (5) publication bias.19 We graded the strength of evidence (high, moderate, low, and very low) using GRADEpro version 3.6.1 (McMaster University).
Sensitivity Analyses We performed sensitivity analyses by excluding primary studies having a high risk of bias rated by the Cochrane risk-of-bias tool for RCTs and excluding small-size studies (<25th percentile) from the identified associations.20,21
Go to: Results Eleven meta-analyses were included (Figure) (justification for excluded full-text articles available in eTable 2 in the Supplement).5,6,7,8,22,23,24,25,26,27 Eligible meta-analyses included 130 RCTs (45 unique RCTs) with a median (IQR) sample size per RCT of 38 (24-69) studies and a follow-up period of 3 (2-5) months (Table 1). The quality of meta-analyses assessed using AMSTAR-2 found that none were rated as high confidence, 7 (64%) as moderate confidence, and 4 (36%) as low confidence (Table 1).
Abstract Given the ongoing strain that the obesity epidemic has placed on public health outcomes, new and effective approaches to weight control are needed. One approach to improving weight and metabolic outcomes is intermittent fasting, which consists of multiple different timing schedules for temporary food avoidance, including alternate-day fasting, other similar full-day fasting patterns, and time-restricted feeding (where the day's food is consumed over a 6-h period, allowing for 18 h of fasting). These feeding schedules have favorable metabolic effects by intermittently inducing the metabolism of fatty acids to ketones. The regimens overall lead to a decrease in weight and have been linked to improvements in dyslipidemia and blood pressure. While more research is needed on longer-term outcomes and this approach should be avoided in particular health conditions, intermittent fasting should be considered as an option for individuals who have a pattern of unhealthy weight gain using standard eating patterns.
The Effects of Isocaloric Intermittent Fasting vs Daily Caloric Restriction on Weight Loss and Metabolic Risk Factors for Noncommunicable Chronic Diseases: A Systematic Review of Randomized Controlled or Comparative Trial
Abstract Background: Intermittent fasting (IF) has gained favor as an alternative regimen to daily caloric restriction (DCR). Therefore, there is a need for systematic reviews of randomized controlled/comparison trials examining the effects of isocaloric IF vs DCR on metabolic risk factors for noncommunicable chronic diseases.
Objective: To systematically investigate the effects of isocaloric IF vs DCR on metabolic risk factors for noncommunicable chronic diseases in adults with overweight and obesity.
Methods: Five online databases (PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, and Google Scholar) were searched for articles published from January 2000 through April 2022. The updated Cochrane Risk of Bias Assessment tool for randomized controlled/comparison trials was used to assess risk of bias in the included studies. This review includes randomized controlled/comparison trials with matched energy intakes (isocaloric) between IF and DCR among adults with overweight and obesity with ≥8-week durations, that assessed risk factors related to obesity and for diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, and cancers.
Results: Thirteen randomized controlled/comparison trials with matched energy intakes (isocaloric) between IF and DCR were identified. The effects of IF on weight loss and metabolic risk markers of diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, and cancers were varied but generally comparable with DCR. IF (4:3 and 5:2 diets) was superior to DCR for improving insulin sensitivity in two studies. Reductions in body fat were significantly greater with IF (5:2 diet and time-restricted eating) than DCR in two studies of isocaloric diets.
Conclusions: With matched energy intakes, IF interventions produced similar beneficial effects for weight loss and chronic disease risk factors compared with DCR. Very limited evidence suggests that IF may be more effective vs DCR for fat loss and insulin sensitivity, but conclusions cannot be drawn based on the current evidence. Future clinical studies with larger populations and longer durations are needed for further elucidation of any potential effects of IF regimens for prevention of noncommunicable chronic diseases.
Intermittent Fasting: What is it, and how does it work?
Intermittent fasting is an eating plan that switches between fasting and eating on a regular schedule. Research shows that intermittent fasting is a way to manage your weight and prevent — or even reverse — some forms of disease. But how do you do it? And is it safe?
What is intermittent fasting? Many diets focus on what to eat, but intermittent fasting is all about when you eat.
With intermittent fasting, you only eat during a specific time. Research shows fasting for a certain number of hours each day or eating just one meal a couple days a week may have health benefits.
Johns Hopkins neuroscientist Mark Mattson has studied intermittent fasting for 25 years. He says our bodies have evolved to be able to go without food for many hours, or even several days or longer. In prehistoric times, before humans learned to farm, they were hunters and gatherers who evolved to survive — and thrive — for long periods without eating. They had to: It took a lot of time and energy to hunt game and gather nuts and berries.
Experts note that even 50 years ago, it was easier to maintain a healthy weight in the United States. There were no computers, and TV shows turned off at 11 p.m.; people stopped eating because they went to bed. Portions were much smaller. More people worked and played outside and, in general, got more exercise.
With internet, TV and other entertainment available 24/7, many adults and children stay awake for longer hours to watch TV, scroll through social media, play games and chat online. That can mean sitting and snacking all day — and most of the night.
Extra calories and less activity can mean a higher risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease and other illnesses. Scientific studies are showing that intermittent fasting may help reverse these trends.
How does intermittent fasting work? There are several different ways to do intermittent fasting, but they are all based on choosing regular time periods to eat and fast. For instance, you might try eating only during an eight-hour period each day and fast for the remainder. Or you might choose to eat only one meal a day two days a week. There are many different intermittent fasting schedules.
Mattson says that after hours without food, the body exhausts its sugar stores and starts burning fat. He refers to this as metabolic switching.
“Intermittent fasting contrasts with the normal eating pattern for most Americans, who eat throughout their waking hours,” Mattson says. “If someone is eating three meals a day, plus snacks, and they’re not exercising, then every time they eat, they’re running on those calories and not burning their fat stores.”
Intermittent fasting works by prolonging the period when your body has burned through the calories consumed during your last meal and begins burning fat.
Intermittent Fasting Plans It’s important to check with your doctor before starting intermittent fasting. Once you get his or her go-ahead, the actual practice is simple. You can pick a daily approach, which restricts daily eating to one six- to eight-hour period each day. For instance, you may choose to try 16/8 fasting: eating for eight hours and fasting for 16.
Although some people find it easy to stick with this pattern over the long term, one research study that was not designed specifically to look at an intermittent fasting pattern found that limiting your daily time window of eating does not prevent weight gain over time or yield significant weight loss results. That study’s results showed that reducing the number of large meals or eating more small meals may be associated with minimizing weight gain or even with weight loss over time.
Another intermittent fasting plan, known as the 5:2 approach, involves eating regularly five days a week. For the other two days, you limit yourself to one 500–600 calorie meal. An example would be if you chose to eat normally on every day of the week except Mondays and Thursdays, which would be your one-meal days.
Longer periods without food, such as 24-, 36-, 48- and 72-hour fasting periods, are not necessarily better for you, and may be dangerous. Going too long without eating might actually encourage your body to start storing more fat in response to starvation.
Mattson’s research shows that it can take two to four weeks before the body becomes accustomed to intermittent fasting. You might feel hungry or cranky while you’re getting used to the new routine. But, he observes, research subjects who make it through the adjustment period tend to stick with the plan because they notice they feel better.
What can I eat while intermittent fasting? During the times when you’re not eating, water and zero-calorie beverages such as black coffee and tea are permitted.
During your eating periods, “eating normally” does not mean going crazy. Research shows that you’re not likely to lose weight or get healthier if you pack your feeding times with high-calorie junk food, super-sized fried items and treats.
But what some experts like about intermittent fasting is that it allows for a range of different foods to be eaten — and enjoyed. Sharing good, nutritious food with others and savoring the mealtime experience adds satisfaction and supports good health.
Most nutrition experts regard the Mediterranean diet as a good blueprint of what to eat, whether you’re trying intermittent fasting or not. You can hardly go wrong when you pick leafy greens, healthy fats, lean protein and complex, unrefined carbohydrates such as whole grains.
Intermittent Fasting Benefits Research shows that the intermittent fasting periods do more than burn fat. Mattson explains, “When changes occur with this metabolic switch, it affects the body and brain.”
One of Mattson’s studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine revealed data about a range of health benefits associated with the practice. These include a longer life, a leaner body and a sharper mind.
“Many things happen during intermittent fasting that can protect organs against chronic diseases like type 2 diabetes, heart disease, age-related neurodegenerative disorders, even inflammatory bowel disease and many cancers,” he says.
Here are some intermittent fasting benefits research has revealed so far:
Thinking and memory. Studies discovered that intermittent fasting boosts working memory in animals and verbal memory in adult humans. Heart health. Intermittent fasting improved blood pressure and resting heart rates as well as other heart-related measurements. Physical performance. Young men who fasted for 16 hours showed fat loss while maintaining muscle mass. Mice who were fed on alternate days showed better endurance in running. Type 2 diabetes and obesity. In animal studies, intermittent fasting prevented obesity. And, in six brief studies, obese adult humans lost weight through intermittent fasting. People with type 2 diabetes may benefit: Most of the available research shows that intermittent fasting can help people lose body weight and lower their levels of fasting glucose, fasting insulin and leptin while reducing insulin resistance, decreasing levels of leptin and increasing levels of adiponectin. Certain studies found that some patients practicing intermittent fasting with supervision by their doctors were able to reverse their need for insulin therapy. Tissue health. In animals, intermittent fasting reduced tissue damage in surgery and improved results. Is intermittent fasting safe? Some people try intermitting fasting for weight management, and others use the method to address chronic conditions such as irritable bowel syndrome, high cholesterol or arthritis. But intermittent fasting isn’t for everyone.
Williams stresses that before you try intermittent fasting (or any diet), you should check in with your primary care practitioner first. Some people should steer clear of trying intermittent fasting:
Children and teens under age 18. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding. People with type 1 diabetes who take insulin. While an increasing number of clinical trials have shown that intermittent fasting is safe in people with type 2 diabetes, there have been no studies in people with type I diabetes. Mattson explains, “Because those with type I diabetes take insulin, there is a concern that an intermittent fasting eating pattern may result in unsafe levels of hypoglycemia during the fasting period.” Those with a history of eating disorders. But, Williams says, people not in these categories who can do intermittent fasting safely can continue the regimen indefinitely. “It can be a lifestyle change,” she says, “and one with benefits.”
Keep in mind that intermittent fasting may have different effects on different people. Talk to your doctor if you start experiencing unusual anxiety, headaches, nausea or other symptoms after you start intermittent fasting.
And why call it an "every Three hour" baby food diet?
Grams Per 100 Calories: Protein / Fat / Carbs
Human milk - 1.5 / 5.5 / 11.0
Cheese Pizza - 4.5 / 3.6 / 11.7
Adult Keto - 5.9 / 8.0 / 0.6
Still wonder why babies, and adults on a baby food diet, eat every Three hours and get fat?
Nature.
Some of us grow up.
Free Education.
Take it or leave it.
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Another excellent video with great information.
If you are still following this thread for informational reasons instead of pure entertainment. Check this one out. And if you are interested in good health, it appears the most important thing is NOT what you eat. It's what you DON'T eat.
How many of ya'll ketosissies want to go back to gorging on carbs other than vegetables and occasionally fruit?
I haven't found reports of people dying specifically due to being in a state of ketosis so I think I will take that option over heart disease, diabetes (again), high blood pressure and cholesterol LOL
BTW, Primal Blueprint is not a diet, it's a lifestyle at least for me.
Why This New “Keto 2.0” Diet Plan Could Make Regular Ketogenic Diets Obsolete
How many of ya'll ketosissies want to go back to gorging on carbs other than vegetables and occasionally fruit?
I haven't found reports of people dying specifically due to being in a state of ketosis so I think I will take that option over heart disease, diabetes (again), high blood pressure and cholesterol LOL
BTW, Primal Blueprint is not a diet, it's a lifestyle at least for me.
Why This New “Keto 2.0” Diet Plan Could Make Regular Ketogenic Diets Obsolete
I don't gorge on carbs at any point, but I will eat myself sick on mangos when I go to Peru. Them sumbishes are nothing like I have ever eaten anywhere. I have had good mangos in other places, but the ones there are the best by far.
I eat so many there that I thought I would get sugar diabetes or at least turn orange like President Trump.
How many of ya'll ketosissies want to go back to gorging on carbs other than vegetables and occasionally fruit?
I haven't found reports of people dying specifically due to being in a state of ketosis so I think I will take that option over heart disease, diabetes (again), high blood pressure and cholesterol LOL
BTW, Primal Blueprint is not a diet, it's a lifestyle at least for me.
Why This New “Keto 2.0” Diet Plan Could Make Regular Ketogenic Diets Obsolete
I don't gorge on carbs at any point, but I will eat myself sick on mangos when I go to Peru. Them sumbishes are nothing like I have ever eaten anywhere. I have had good mangos in other places, but the ones there are the best by far.
I eat so many there that I thought I would get sugar diabetes or at least turn orange like President Trump.
The slimey fruit definitely has a unique and excellent flavor!
Of course I am referring to gorging on bread, pasta, grains and so on.......like the resident expert said should be 60% of our macros LOL
After 3-4 days of following this high-fat, low-carb diet, our body is depleted of glucose, which is a source of energy that comes from eating carbs (we eat very few carbs during keto, which massively reduces glucose levels).
Since our body doesn’t have enough glucose to fuel all its functions, it starts to use fat as a main source of energy in order to survive. This fat-burning state is known as “ketosis”, and it is during this state that people can melt excess pounds – because the body consumes a lot of energy, and fat becomes the only energy source.
It also says
“A ketogenic diet actually increases muscle mass, it increases fat burning, it cuts your hunger, it may stimulate all kinds of beneficial effects of the body to reduce inflammation. So, there are really profound benefits to it.”
Imagine that.
Impressive studies done by
New England Journal of Medicine and American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Excellent post Longbob,
I have to continually check to make sure I am Ketosis if I want to lose weight. It surprises me just how fast I am out of Ketosis and how long it takes to back into Ketosis.
I have the slowest Metabolism on earth, REALLY sucks! The only benefit to my type of metabolism is if I get sick, the weight loss will not be as fast as someone with a fast metabolism.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Excellent post Longbob,
I have to continually check to make sure I am Ketosis if I want to lose weight. It surprises me just how fast I am out of Ketosis and how long it takes to back into Ketosis.
I have the slowest Metabolism on earth, REALLY sucks! The only benefit to my type of metabolism is if I get sick, the weight loss will not be as fast as someone with a fast metabolism.
That's because you still eat sugar and carbs. If you were to go 3-4 months without sugar and on very few carbs per day, the mitochondria of your cells will actually change to optimize burning fat. When that happens it's harder to get out of ketosis and easier to get back in but it changes back fast if you start taking advantage of it and eating sugar and carbs again.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Excellent post Longbob,
I have to continually check to make sure I am Ketosis if I want to lose weight. It surprises me just how fast I am out of Ketosis and how long it takes to back into Ketosis.
I have the slowest Metabolism on earth, REALLY sucks! The only benefit to my type of metabolism is if I get sick, the weight loss will not be as fast as someone with a fast metabolism.
Thanks. There are some ancillary benefits to reducing/eliminating sugar and most carbs from my diet. Sugar is like fertilizer for cancer so that is a positive and I have greatly reduced my insulin production which helps reduce scarring of my arteries.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Excellent post Longbob,
I have to continually check to make sure I am Ketosis if I want to lose weight. It surprises me just how fast I am out of Ketosis and how long it takes to back into Ketosis.
I have the slowest Metabolism on earth, REALLY sucks! The only benefit to my type of metabolism is if I get sick, the weight loss will not be as fast as someone with a fast metabolism.
Thanks. There are some ancillary benefits to reducing/eliminating sugar and most carbs from my diet. Sugar is like fertilizer for cancer so that is a positive and I have greatly reduced my insulin production which helps reduce scarring of my arteries.
Garandimal. Thank you for posting that video. It is a little long and I haven't finished it, but it reminded me of a book that I read many years ago called "Killers in Africa: The Truth about Animals Lying in Wait and Hunters Lying in Print."
There were several very interesting sub stories within the book about animals that are truly dangerous (basically all of them) in Africa, but one particular story stuck out to me. It was about a man from Chicago (I think) that was grossly overweight and his doctor said he needed a drastic change in his life or his health was at risk. He suggested that he go on a long African safari in hopes the activity would turn his life around with the strenuous walking over a couple of months or so. This took place in the 1930's I believe for this particular story and African safaris were quite long then. Also note that this is pre-Atkins and his health guidelines.
The PH described the man as extremely overweight and had brought all his food with him that consisted of a lot of grains and other "health" food, but no meat. He refused to eat meat. The man could barely walk and navigate through the bush until one evening they thought he was going to die out there if they didn't get him to eat better. One of the trackers was cooking some liver over the campfire and they basically forced him to eat it. He spit and gagged, but kept at it until he choked it down. They were relentless and force fed him only meat while throwing aside all his "health" food.
It was in short order that he completely turned around and showed vast improvements in his energy and health. Lost a lot of the weight and didn't go back to the bad food as far as the story went. The PH also mentioned two different tribes that he would use as trackers. One was the Maasai tribe and another that the name escapes me.
He said the Maasai were basically meat eaters only. They were a bit of a handful, but full of energy and could go all day every day. The other tribe was basically vegetarians and were nearly worthless.
This story has always stuck in my mind because it wasn't about dieting, but it illustrated what many of us have found out nearly 100 years later and this is well before Dr. Atkins wrote his book.
How many of ya'll ketosissies want to go back to gorging on carbs other than vegetables and occasionally fruit?
I haven't found reports of people dying specifically due to being in a state of ketosis so I think I will take that option over heart disease, diabetes (again), high blood pressure and cholesterol LOL
BTW, Primal Blueprint is not a diet, it's a lifestyle at least for me.
Why This New “Keto 2.0” Diet Plan Could Make Regular Ketogenic Diets Obsolete
Good resource article, but have no need of the app.
Made a table of: - Nutritional needs and Requirements. - Desirable Human foods that actually are. - Nutritional values for those Human Foods. - Meal Plans based on variable meat(Protein) portions.
All One ingredient foods, raw or slow roasted in fat.
And, with 2.4% Net Carbs(<20 gr./day), Ketosis is assured.
Just an Adult Human fat-burnin' machine.
As for "colorin' outside the lines" as far as Carbs?
I don't.
Because until I actually EAT anything with sugar, and trigger the "gorge" response (and subsequent Withdrawals/Starvation)...?
Cakes/cookies/pies/doughnuts/bread/sodas/etc.... are so much bark and gravel to me.
(And I used to pile into the desserts, so you know.)
Now, it could be cat food.
So, I feed on human food 6/18, and relish it every day, day after day... or ignore it, and fast for a week, and hardly notice.
Simple.
P.S. Will help any who are interested in setting up a plan. Do it all the time, gratis.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I have used ketosis off and on over the years to trim down and improve how I feel. People ask me if I am on the Keto diet and I tell them no, but it is similar in many respects. It would be pretty much worthless for me just to do a Keto or Atkins diet without monitoring whether or not I am in ketosis.
I had used the pee sticks for a long time until I found a device that I could blow into and monitor my levels. Staying in the small to moderate range seems to work best for me and it is interesting to me what will throw me out of ketosis and what will bring me back into it based on diet and exercise.
I can do the same diet consistently and the same exercise consistently, but drop out of ketosis the more I cut. It is like I have to shock my body somehow. Just like many have mentioned that the first part of the drop in weight can be mostly water weight. The first part of the ketones in my system are the easiest fat to attack. The more lean and vascular I get the more difficult it seems to be to pull it from my fat stores.
One of the biggest surprises was when I was struggling a little with ketosis a few days ago and went to Top Golf for the first time. It wasn't that much of a cardio exercise or any real exercise as compared to what I had been doing, but it was a significantly different movement for my body. The constant twisting and turning of my core threw me way up the scale on ketosis. It seems I am constantly learning what is affecting my metabolism in different ways. Wouldn't be possible without monitoring it for me.
Excellent post Longbob,
I have to continually check to make sure I am Ketosis if I want to lose weight. It surprises me just how fast I am out of Ketosis and how long it takes to back into Ketosis.
I have the slowest Metabolism on earth, REALLY sucks! The only benefit to my type of metabolism is if I get sick, the weight loss will not be as fast as someone with a fast metabolism.
That's because you still eat sugar and carbs. If you were to go 3-4 months without sugar and on very few carbs per day, the mitochondria of your cells will actually change to optimize burning fat. When that happens it's harder to get out of ketosis and easier to get back in but it changes back fast if you start taking advantage of it and eating sugar and carbs again.
That's because you still eat sugar and carbs. If you were to go 3-4 months without sugar and on very few carbs per day, the mitochondria of your cells will actually change to optimize burning fat..
So what specific change takes place in the Mitochondria?
and What do mitochondria specifically use if not fat?
Potential Safety Concerns of the LCD The longer-term metabolic and weight-losing efficacy of the LCD, its acceptability to the individual and associated limitations are important considerations. However, an even greater concern relates to the potential safety concerns of the LCD that originate from multiple sources (outlined in Table 1).
GFR: Glomerular Filtration Rate; LCD: Low-Carbohydrate Diet; PUFA: Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids; T1D: Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus. Nutritional Deficiencies: In patients with Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus, adoption of the LCD may result in an increased risk of severe hypoglycaemia, that is resistant to the effects of glucagon due to the associated depletion of glycogen stores [43]. Apart from glycogen deficiency, other nutritional deficiencies associated with the LCD stem from restrictions of dietary choice (and therefore the risk of a nutritionally imbalanced diet), compounded by a concomitant drive to lose weight with additional deliberate restriction of caloric intake. Accordingly, the longer-term adoption of the LCD (usually following at least 3-months) can result in dietary deficiencies of minerals, vitamins and trace elements and associated problems with bone health, renal calculi and occasionally growth failure [12]. A relative paucity of dietary fibre intake in the LCD (from the predominance of animal-based high fat and high protein foods, and relative lack of plant-based foods that contain carbohydrates in the form of dietary fibre) may cause constipation and other health problems [44]. Over the longer term, these imbalances of macronutrient intake can have potentially deleterious effects that stem from relatively high dietary intakes of fat (such as dyslipidaemia [12]) and protein (such as impaired glomerular filtration rate demonstrated in women with mild renal impairment, but not in healthy subjects with eGFR > 60 mL/min/1.73 m2 [11,45,46,47]). Furthermore, diets that have both low and high percentages of carbohydrates associate with increased mortality, with minimal mortality risk at 50–55% carbohydrate intake (with a plant-based diet) [48]. A relative lack of plant-based foods (including vegetables and legumes) in the LCD may worsen mortality from a reduced intake of essential micronutrients such as polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) [49,50].
Ketosis: To complement the nutritional problems that with longer-term adoption of the LCD, there are also potential safety concerns from the effects of persistent and sustained ketosis. In the short-term, these include potential gastro-intestinal symptoms such as vomiting, diarrhoea, obstipation, gastroesophageal reflux and hypoglycaemia [12]. The longer-term effects of sustained ketosis on the body are incompletely understood [11]. However, ketosis can result in released calcium stores to neutralize the ketones, with a theoretical risk of osteoporosis and nephrolithiasis [11]. Interestingly, epidemiological data reveal that higher protein intake actually associates with reduced bone loss [51]. In extreme and rare cases, carbohydrate restriction may even precipitate ketoacidosis [52].
High-Protein Diet: The LCD associates with intake of a relatively high proportion of dietary protein (to compensate for a relative lack of carbohydrate as a source of energy). There is controversy in the literature regarding the health effects of a high-protein diet. Over the longer term, there are reported unfavourable metabolic effects of a diet that is proportionately high in protein, including association with dysglycaemia [53,54]. In a large prospective cohort study with 1-year follow-up, consumption of energy from protein at the expense of energy from fat or carbohydrates actually increased the risk for the development of T2D [53,54]. Conversely, a recent guidelines publication by the Diabetes and Nutrition Study Group (DNSG) justified higher protein diets (up to 20% and 1.3 g/Kg body weight) for the treatment of T2D, providing normal renal function [47]. Interestingly, there appears to be a contradiction between the epidemiological and interventional studies on high-protein diets, with the latter (20–30% daily energy requirements from dietary protein in the context of a healthy dietary intake of fats, fibres and vegetables) showing consistently favourable metabolic outcomes and biomarkers. Such interventional data include the ProFiMet study with the combination of a high-protein diet with fibre intake [55], and a series of reported studies on the metabolic benefits of high-protein diets on improvements in hepatic fat content, inflammatory profiles and oxidative stress, including in people with T2D and obesity [56,57,58,59]. A likely explanation for the apparent disconnect between the metabolic data from epidemiological and interventional studies on high-protein diets is that the former often fail to correct for lifestyle variables associated with a high dietary protein intake, with a relative lack of plant-based foods and physical inactivity. Conversely, interventional studies on high-protein diets (including those discussed here) usually combine these with a healthy lifestyle program (including a healthy diet), with recent meta-analyses that reveal improvements in most metabolic outcomes [60]. Therefore, based on current evidence, high-protein diets per se do not appear to influence metabolic health, but rather the healthiness of their associated diet and other lifestyle behaviours.
As outlined, the main safety concerns regarding adoption of the LCD relate to their nutritional and ketotic effects. Furthermore, epidemiological studies consistently report increased mortality with the LCD [48]. Whilst the direct effects of the LCD are important, there are also potential indirect safety concerns. As outlined earlier, adoption of the LCD inevitably results in a diminishment of glycogen supplies that may in turn contribute towards fatigue, and reduced athletic performance [30]. Furthermore, given the restricted food choices, potentially reduced pleasure of eating and the fact that the LCD is often adopted in the context of obesity (a highly stigmatized condition in our society), it is important to consider the potential mental and emotional health problems that may occur following adoption of the LCD. Adoption of the LCD may also have a negative impact on relationships, given the central role of food and eating in our social world. As healthcare professionals, we need to be mindful of these issues, and consider the mental health and social scaffold of our patients both prior to suggesting any dietary modification, and at each follow-up opportunity whilst on any diet, including the LCD. There are also ecological and ethical implications of promoting and adopting the LCD for many patients, including the environmental effects of soy and meat production, deforestation and consequent effects on climate change. The socio-economic implications of the LCD include the increased financial expense of the LCD compared with other diets [77], that may preclude the feasibility and affordability of the LCD for lower socio-economic groups within society (who are also most likely to benefit from lifestyle and dietary changes).
Finally, although this goes well beyond the scope of our concise review, we need to consider the potential for the indirect effects of gut dysbiosis that may stem from adoption of the LCD, with the inherent high intake of fats and protein, typically found in animal-based foods, and relative paucity of carbohydrate- and fibre-laden plant-based foods [78]. Given the emergent data that link our gut microbiota with much of our physiological functioning including the regulation of appetite, metabolism and mental health and wellbeing [79], it is important to consider the impact of any dietary modification on our gut microbiota. This consideration has perhaps, not been given enough attention previously, with too much focus on weight loss per se following implementation of the LCD.
CDC - says very soon, 60% of all Americans will be Obese.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
CDC - says very soon, 60% of all Americans will be Obese.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
"'Merica!"
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
I'm 36 5 10 and 160. I'll live without your advice.
CDC - says very soon, 60% of all Americans will be Obese.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
"'Merica!"
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
I'm 36 5 10 and 160. I'll live without your advice.
OP Clark , the same clown that claims he lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit ,. And that prayers cured cancer in 30 days.
Nothing more that a delusional bubble "Sugar is the devil' preaching charlatan.
Cancer cells live by glycosis.
LoL..that doesn't explain how Clark lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit nor does it prove prayers cured cancer.
Weeks ago I asked Clark to explain the metabolic biochemical process by which he lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit ..and IIRC he avoided doing so.
OP Clark , the same clown that claims he lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit ,. And that prayers cured cancer in 30 days.
Nothing more that a delusional bubble "Sugar is the devil' preaching charlatan.
Cancer cells live by glycosis.
LoL..that doesn't explain how Clark lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit nor does it prove prayers cured cancer.
Weeks ago I asked Clark to explain the metabolic biochemical process by which he lost 200 lbs without a calorie deficit ..and IIRC he avoided doing so.
Like I said , hes a charlatan.
Thing about both Keto and fasting is... they are indelibly linked to Human evolution.
... like Eight-Million years of it.
Not some pointy-head lab project.
So a lot of the systems are efficient and autonomic in nature.
If one is in ketosis, and eats Human food until they are satiated, and are active?
... the body will generally run a deficit until it hits a balance, which can be between 5-10% body fat.
I'm running ~ a 900 Cal. deficit/day currently, for ~ 1/4 lb/day, and only know this because I did the math.
... but it happens by itself, all the same.
I simple eat Human food, breakfast and dinner between 9:00A and 3:00P, until I'm satiated, and get on with my life.
Conversely, on the "every Three hour" baby food diet, even with activity, the body is attempting to store as much fat as it can, and will go into withdrawals and depress the metabolism, to conserve it, as soon as a meal is missed.
Simply, Nature knows what the Human body is supposed to be, given a human diet, just like most other appropriately fed mammals in the wild.
It also knows how to store copious amounts of fat for Winter.
CDC - says very soon, 60% of all Americans will be Obese.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
"'Merica!"
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
I'm 36 5 10 and 160. I'll live without your advice.
I was once 36 years old, 5'10" and 160lbs. I thought as you do. I ate what ever I wanted. After I got out of the Army I worked construction, worked out in the gym. Thought I was bulletproof. I would have had some of the same replies to some of the posts in this thread as you do.
Fast forward. I am now 65+, As you age $hit happens. I ended up with Type II diabetes. The information on low carb, fasting, keto posted in this thread helped me turn around Type II diabetes and get off all meds. I lost 80lbs I am still 5' 10" and weigh 180lbs. I feel great and have for the last 3 years. I wish I could have found the info posted in this thread sooner.
Its OK to disagree. To each his own. I wish you well and hope you never experience any of The Five Scourges of Health: posted here.
You are exponentially increasing your chances of heart disease and cancer by eating a high fat diet
🤷🏿♂️
This myth was dispelled over 30 years ago. Maybe slow down on the tequila and start doing some real research. You seem rather fond of information that is pushed by the pharmaceutical industry
Thank you for caring and your advise. I will take it into consideration. Everyone should do what works for them. It doesn't to be have to be (My way or the highway). You don't have to do full blown keto. Or fast every day. Or eat extremely high fat diet. I have found after much experimentation what works for me. It is a combination of low carb/IM Fasting with some healthy fats. Not high fat, all the time. You just have to find what works for you to maintain a healthy body weight. A high carb diet is not healthy. If you are young, healthy and in good shape (physically fit) good for you. Your body can compensate but eventually as one ages it will catch up to you.
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
You are exponentially increasing your chances of heart disease and cancer by eating a high fat diet
🤷🏿♂️
This myth was dispelled over 30 years ago. Maybe slow down on the tequila and start doing some real research. You seem rather fond of information that is pushed by the pharmaceutical industry
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
How do you get enough fat without overshooting protein in a Keto diet?
Coupla ways to approach it.
For me, it is an initial calculation.
Determine, in order: 1. Current physical condition (weight/BMI/LBM) 2. Activity level 3. Energy requirement 4. Weight loss goal/rate (if any) 5. Total calories desired
Then Required: 1. Protein (g/day) 2. Protein food(s) and portions 3. Fat in those protein food(s)/portions 4. Fat food added to make calorie requirement (given < 20 Net Carbs/day)
Then, make meal plans accordingly.
Simply, figure the protein first, and then add fat to make weight.
High fat foods include avocado, olives/oil, butter, etc.
Some foods, like 73% lean burger meat, have a very good ratio for active Humans.
Chicken thighs, skin on, are about the same.
That, along with eggs, cheese, an avocado, and butter, will usually work out pretty well.
Also saute the veggies in the burger/chicken fat, so that everything ends up in the bowl for dinner.
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
You must be eating the correct fats. Mono unsaturated and unsaturated.
You’re not going to be able to do that on a diet of ribeyes, bacon and butter
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
You must be eating the correct fats. Mono unsaturated and unsaturated.
You’re not going to be able to do that on a diet of ribeyes, bacon and butter
I eat plenty of ribeyes, bacon and butter, just not every day.
Dangers of a High Carb diet.
CDC - says very soon, 60% of all Americans will be Obese.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
“ In 2001, Atkins's coronary arteries were 30 to 40 percent blocked, according to Patrick Fratellone, his cardiologist and employee.[9]
In 2002, Atkins went into cardiac arrest, leading many of his critics to point to this episode as proof of the inherent dangers in the consumption of high levels of saturated fat associated with the Atkins diet. In numerous interviews, however, Atkins stated that his cardiac arrest was not the result of poor diet, but was rather caused by a chronic infection.[10][11][12]
On April 7, 2003, Atkins fell and hit his head on an icy New York sidewalk. He was admitted to Weill Cornell Medical Center, where he underwent surgery to remove a blood clot from his brain, but fell into a coma. He died on April 17, at age 72.[13][14][4]
After his death, his widow stated that Atkins's coronary-artery disease had progressed in the final years of his life with a new blockage, a procedure to remedy the blockage, and that he was taking heart-rhythm medication.[9]
A report from the New York medical examiner's office leaked a year after his death said that Atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension, and that at the time of his death he weighed 258 pounds (117 kg).[13] According to Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council (a group of physicians who work as consultants to the Atkins organization), this report contained incomplete medical records and Atkins did not have a history of heart attacks; instead, according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.[15] His widow refused to allow an autopsy.[15]”
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
Wrong. Cardiac arrest causing the fall
This is comical. Ice caused the fall. He went into surgery due to a clot in his brain from hitting his head. It wasn't surgery for his heart. Carry on because you are becoming a joke and it is great entertainment.
"...“These studies have all been in these mouse models to date,” said Mana. “One idea we started with was to understand the metabolic dependencies of the tumors that can arise in a natural or pharmacological context and then target these metabolic programs to the detriment of the tumor but not the normal tissue."
Cancer cells - live by glycosis.
High Carbs are what fuel them, along with all the other metabolic diseases.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - is the culprit.
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
You must be eating the correct fats. Mono unsaturated and unsaturated.
You’re not going to be able to do that on a diet of ribeyes, bacon and butter
The correct fat, for Humans, is high saturated animal fat.
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
You must be eating the correct fats. Mono unsaturated and unsaturated.
You’re not going to be able to do that on a diet of ribeyes, bacon and butter
The correct fat, for Humans, is high saturated animal fat.
“The treatment of obesity and cardiovascular diseases is one of the most difficult and important challenges nowadays. Weight loss is frequently offered as a therapy and is aimed at improving some of the components of the metabolic syndrome. Among various diets, ketogenic diets, which are very low in carbohydrates and usually high in fats and/or proteins, have gained in popularity. Results regarding the impact of such diets on cardiovascular risk factors are controversial, both in animals and humans, but some improvements notably in obesity and type 2 diabetes have been described. Unfortunately, these effects seem to be limited in time. Moreover, these diets are not totally safe and can be associated with some adverse events. Notably, in rodents, development of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) and insulin resistance have been described. The aim of this review is to discuss the role of ketogenic diets on different cardiovascular risk factors in both animals and humans based on available evidence.“
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
Wrong. Cardiac arrest causing the fall
This is comical. Ice caused the fall. He went into surgery due to a clot in his brain from hitting his head. It wasn't surgery for his heart. Carry on because you are becoming a joke and it is great entertainment.
rcamuglia,
Did you even read what you posted?
From your post
this report contained incomplete medical records and Atkins did not have a history of heart attacks; instead, according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.
My blood work has shown that my “bad” and good cholesterol numbers have been perfect since I started a Low carb diet, IM Fasting and eating healthy fats for the last three years. Not so much when I was eating a lot of carbs.
You must be eating the correct fats. Mono unsaturated and unsaturated.
You’re not going to be able to do that on a diet of ribeyes, bacon and butter
The correct fat, for Humans, is high saturated animal fat.
So ya know.
GR
Put me in your will
LOL
Given your "every Three hour" baby food diet? You probably won't be around to see it executed.
“The treatment of obesity and cardiovascular diseases is one of the most difficult and important challenges nowadays. Weight loss is frequently offered as a therapy and is aimed at improving some of the components of the metabolic syndrome. Among various diets, ketogenic diets, which are very low in carbohydrates and usually high in fats and/or proteins, have gained in popularity. Results regarding the impact of such diets on cardiovascular risk factors are controversial, both in animals and humans, but some improvements notably in obesity and type 2 diabetes have been described. Unfortunately, these effects seem to be limited in time. Moreover, these diets are not totally safe and can be associated with some adverse events. Notably, in rodents, development of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) and insulin resistance have been described. The aim of this review is to discuss the role of ketogenic diets on different cardiovascular risk factors in both animals and humans based on available evidence.“
Amazing the number that I know, that are extremely fit, some who can do what many here most likely can only imagine. Yet they don’t have to starve themselves for hours or days. They mostly are heavy on the protein, yet they still can eat most anything when the mood strikes. A couple of them are known to eat 8 times a day. Odd????
They also move more than many others that have issues.
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
Wrong. Cardiac arrest causing the fall
This is comical. Ice caused the fall. He went into surgery due to a clot in his brain from hitting his head. It wasn't surgery for his heart. Carry on because you are becoming a joke and it is great entertainment.
rcamuglia,
Did you even read what you posted?
From your post
this report contained incomplete medical records and Atkins did not have a history of heart attacks; instead, according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.
His death is very controversial, and there’s no conclusion that’s widely accepted
It's pretty simple for those who are educated! When your not metabolically flexible your going to create a serious problem with your body when you eat fats. This is because when your not metabolically flexible your body won't burn fat. Over 80% of the population is not metabolically flexible Metabolic flexibilty takes 3 days or less to achieve. When you achieve metabolic flexibilty and your body starts burning fat as a fuel a long list of positive things happen including reducing the risk of cancer and diabetes by over 90%.
Of course I wouldn't expect every uneducated idiot to understand any of this.
It's pretty simple for those who are educated! When your not metabolically flexible your going to create a serious problem with your body when you eat fats. This is because when your not metabolically flexible your body won't burn fat. Over 80% of the population is not metabolically flexible Metabolic flexibilty takes 3 days or less to achieve. When you achieve metabolic flexibilty and your body starts burning fat as a fuel a long list of positive things happen including reducing the risk of cancer and diabetes by over 90%.
Of course I wouldn't expect every uneducated idiot to understand any of this.
LOL
The cultists believe they can change the way the body functions
Amazing the number that I know, that are extremely fit, some who can do what many here most likely can only imagine. Yet they don’t have to starve themselves for hours or days. They mostly are heavy on the protein, yet they still can eat most anything when the mood strikes. A couple of them are known to eat 8 times a day. Odd????
They also move more than many others that have issues.
Amazing the number that I know, that are extremely fit, some who can do what many here most likely can only imagine. Yet they don’t have to starve themselves for hours or days. They mostly are heavy on the protein, yet they still can eat most anything when the mood strikes. A couple of them are known to eat 8 times a day. Odd????
They also move more than many others that have issues.
Some of it is math, for the calories.
But to be clear - Starvation - is the antithesis of keto, because the Human body (under normal circumstances) always has plenty to eat (fat).
Utilizing stored fat, which the Human body, in ketosis, does not differentiate from dietary fat, is just running on portable, long term energy.
Fasting - just facilitates other health benefits, such as Autophagy.
The "every Three hour" baby food diet - is Nature's way of Storing Fat, for later, so it burns a little sugar, a less efficient fuel, and stores the rest.
Halting the "gorge" results in withdrawals, known as "hunger pains" (which do not exist in ketosis), followed by depressing the metabolism, to conserve the fat it was cultivating.
Sugar - like a cigarette smoker, they feel they are not addicted, and can quit any time they want... until they actually try.
And the Massive amount of exercise - is the only thing that keeps the metabolic diseased at bay.
Amazing the number that I know, that are extremely fit, some who can do what many here most likely can only imagine. Yet they don’t have to starve themselves for hours or days. They mostly are heavy on the protein, yet they still can eat most anything when the mood strikes. A couple of them are known to eat 8 times a day. Odd????
They also move more than many others that have issues.
It's pretty simple for those who are educated! When your not metabolically flexible your going to create a serious problem with your body when you eat fats. This is because when your not metabolically flexible your body won't burn fat. Over 80% of the population is not metabolically flexible Metabolic flexibilty takes 3 days or less to achieve. When you achieve metabolic flexibilty and your body starts burning fat as a fuel a long list of positive things happen including reducing the risk of cancer and diabetes by over 90%.
Of course I wouldn't expect every uneducated idiot to understand any of this.
LOL
The cultists believe they can change the way the body functions
I don't think anybody is trying to change the way the body functions.
This is just a simple explanation of one of the miraculous things that the body does. You can simply prove it for yourself. Although I doubt you will. It takes the body approx 72 hours to make the transition from being a sugar burner to a fat burner.
If you stop eating sugar and carbs for 3 days you wont just die. the body is not that stupid It will start burning stored body fat. It just doesn't happen overnight. Once the body realizes that your not gonna cram a donut or muffin in your face. it makes the transition to burning fat.
It's pretty simple for those who are educated! When your not metabolically flexible your going to create a serious problem with your body when you eat fats. This is because when your not metabolically flexible your body won't burn fat. Over 80% of the population is not metabolically flexible Metabolic flexibilty takes 3 days or less to achieve. When you achieve metabolic flexibilty and your body starts burning fat as a fuel a long list of positive things happen including reducing the risk of cancer and diabetes by over 90%.
Of course I wouldn't expect every uneducated idiot to understand any of this.
LOL
The cultists believe they can change the way the body functions
I don't think anybody is trying to change the way the body functions.
This is just a simple explanation of one of the miraculous things that the body does. You can simply prove it for yourself. Although I doubt you will. It takes the body approx 72 hours to make the transition from being a sugar burner to a fat burner.
If you stop eating sugar and carbs for 3 days you wont just die. the body is not that stupid It will start burning stored body fat. It just doesn't happen overnight. Once the body realizes that your not gonna cram a donut or muffin in your face. it makes the transition to burning fat.
It's pretty simple for those who are educated! When your not metabolically flexible your going to create a serious problem with your body when you eat fats. This is because when your not metabolically flexible your body won't burn fat. Over 80% of the population is not metabolically flexible Metabolic flexibilty takes 3 days or less to achieve. When you achieve metabolic flexibilty and your body starts burning fat as a fuel a long list of positive things happen including reducing the risk of cancer and diabetes by over 90%.
Of course I wouldn't expect every uneducated idiot to understand any of this.
LOL
The cultists believe they can change the way the body functions
I don't think anybody is trying to change the way the body functions.
This is just a simple explanation of one of the miraculous things that the body does. You can simply prove it for yourself. Although I doubt you will. It takes the body approx 72 hours to make the transition from being a sugar burner to a fat burner.
If you stop eating sugar and carbs for 3 days you wont just die. the body is not that stupid It will start burning stored body fat. It just doesn't happen overnight. Once the body realizes that your not gonna cram a donut or muffin in your face. it makes the transition to burning fat.
Rick is so stupid, he probably would die . LOL
But would cry his eyes out like a baby for the nipple, first.
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
Wrong. Cardiac arrest causing the fall
This is comical. Ice caused the fall. He went into surgery due to a clot in his brain from hitting his head. It wasn't surgery for his heart. Carry on because you are becoming a joke and it is great entertainment.
rcamuglia,
Did you even read what you posted?
From your post
this report contained incomplete medical records and Atkins did not have a history of heart attacks; instead, according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.
His death is very controversial, and there’s no conclusion that’s widely accepted
So you lie about it like a corcksucker knowingly repeating vegan propaganda? You are a POS.
Amazing the number that I know, that are extremely fit, some who can do what many here most likely can only imagine. Yet they don’t have to starve themselves for hours or days. They mostly are heavy on the protein, yet they still can eat most anything when the mood strikes. A couple of them are known to eat 8 times a day. Odd????
They also move more than many others that have issues.
Go to any public event, anywhere in the US and look around, the vast majority of people of all ages are fat, 10-15 lbs with a biscuit top to morbidly obese. The reasonable conclusion is around the clock eating, sh !t food or the two combined for decades. Exercise has limited impact on weight control but still important for heart and lung health.
Which means it's genetics, activity, food, in that order as I said.
Kent
Not really, in a bell curve.
Genetics - is actually irrelevant, because for those few at the periphery, there is no actionable strategy either way.
For the rest in the bell?
Activity - is a major contributor to good health, regardless of diet, but it also does not prevent metabolic disease formation, save obesity, which can be managed with a restricted diet.
A Human diet - along with fasting and exercise, Will prevent metabolic diseases, all of them, with no restrictions, as long as eating is of a natural, satiated limit.
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
… who died of cardiac arrest because of his moronic diet
LOL
Nope. He slipped on the ice in New York, hit his head, went into a coma and then died. Still want to stick to your narrative?
Wrong. Cardiac arrest causing the fall
This is comical. Ice caused the fall. He went into surgery due to a clot in his brain from hitting his head. It wasn't surgery for his heart. Carry on because you are becoming a joke and it is great entertainment.
rcamuglia,
Did you even read what you posted?
From your post
this report contained incomplete medical records and Atkins did not have a history of heart attacks; instead, according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.
His death is very controversial, and there’s no conclusion that’s widely accepted
Then don't state his death is a heart attack when the actual cause is determined to be inconclusive.
Autophagy - recognizes "not me" or dead/damaged cells, and converts them to amino acids, to be used in either the Glucose process in the Liver, or the repair of bone/muscle/tissue elsewhere in the body.
Damaged and weakened organs, through the presence of a high starch diet, will be affected by any stress.
Head-on collisions will also increase the damage to them.
But a Human diet, fasting, and exercise - will keep them healthy, along with the rest of the body.
People can live a long healthy life…by eating reasonably, getting moderate exercise, avoiding abusive substances, having reasonable genetics and being careful with risk taking.
People can live a long healthy life…by eating reasonably, getting moderate exercise, avoiding abusive substances, having reasonable genetics and being careful with risk taking.
Historically and repeatedly proven.
Only the lucky ones.
Seemingly healthy people - drop dead or succumb to degenerative metabolic diseases more than not.
Ketosis, and fasting, versus starving while being deprived of the "every Three hour" baby food diet, is not only the Healthy, default Human condition, but is also free.
Anecdotal evidence, supported by actual medical tests on Humans, bears that out.
Find any to the contrary.
Research funding for the "every Three hour" baby food diet?
People can live a long healthy life…by eating reasonably, getting moderate exercise, avoiding abusive substances, having reasonable genetics and being careful with risk taking.
Historically and repeatedly proven.
I don't disagree with that at all but fasting occasionally could only help those same healthy people. It can also be leveraged to help people who are having trouble with what you suggest. It's just one tool to be considered.
There is no need however to have scorn for any tool someone uses to be healthier. Fasting is a good one as long as someone is getting proper nutrition, exercise, sleep, rest, recovery, and all the rest.
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
So fasting is a waste of time but just eat less and exercise more. Got it. Such awesome advice. Too bad nobody ever thought of it before.
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Fasting is not a diet
It is a lifestyle change.
A diet is something you do, and as you stated. "diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail." I agree with you.
Fasting is something you don't do. You don't eat. You don't shop for food You don't eat food You don't cook food You don't clean up after cooking and eating You don't wash dish's.
Its not a diet, it's something you just stop doing.
If you Fast along with doing exactly what you just stated in your post ("What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise")
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Correct and BINGO battue!
One thing about Intermittent Fasting is that you see immediate results and after you lose all of the deadly fat, you actually condition yourself and learn how to eat properly! Then it becomes a Lifestyle.
Has anyone noticed that the most unhealthiest foods have the largest advertising campaigns behind them?
The more carbs and sugar, the more advertising dollars spent.
The reason for this is that food companies can't brand and mark up real foods hundreds of percent.
But if a big food company can get their army of chemists to hit on the right combo of sugar, cheap seed oil, flour and artificial ingredients to come up with something tasty, they can brand it and have it be worth huge bucks if it catches on.
Its why the processed food section of any grocery store dwarfs the real food section.
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
So fasting is a waste of time but just eat less and exercise more. Got it. Such awesome advice. Too bad nobody ever thought of it before.
It’s really that easy, but evidently you have issues
I’m betting the idiots who are fad diet proponents eat nothing but processed foods, especially for dietary carbohydrates, and don’t have a clue how to cook a healthy, balanced meal
Twinkies, Funions, frozen tv dinners, candy, Cheetos
Their biggest problem is behavioral and their nutritional IQ is double digits
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Two choices:
Human diet - Ketosis, and fast for additional health benefits, seamlessly, depressing Metabolic diseases.
Baby Food diet - Eat every Three hours, and restrict diet to control fat accumulation, with associate withdrawals and depressed metabolism, while encouraging metabolic diseases.
And fasting - is not starvation.
Fasting - You are a diesel Tractor pulling a 9,000 gal. tank of diesel fuel. Your fuel tanks run low, so you switch to the one you are hauling.
Starving - You are a gasoline Tractor pulling a 9,000 gal. tank of diesel fuel. Your gas tanks run low, so you have to either refill them or call for help. The tank you are hauling is immediately, and for several days, useless to you.
If many didn’t essentially eat all day, there would be no need for fasting. Feasting vs fasting.
Fast if you want, however as mentioned previously I’m around many who get it done without the need to go 8-12 hours a day without eating normal food. The best athletes run on a finely tuned well nourished machine, and they get it done without only drinking water, coffee and electrolytes for the majority of their day
No doubt fasting will give one an energy boost when they get into running on fat. Is it a sustainable lifestyle for the vast majority? I have my doubts in our food emphasized society.
I’m betting the idiots who are fad diet proponents eat nothing but processed foods, especially for dietary carbohydrates, and don’t have a clue how to cook a healthy, balanced meal
Twinkies, Funions, frozen tv dinners, candy, Cheetos
Their biggest problem is behavioral and their nutritional IQ is double digits
$100 bucks (because you're poor as well as uneducated.)
Breakfast: 9:00A 4 - eggs, fried in better. 3 - oz. Mozzarella cheese. 1/2 - Avocado
Dinner: 2:00P 1/2 - lb. 73% lean ground beef (slow pan roasted) 1/2 - lb. Green cabbage/scallions/beet greens (sauteed in pan w/ beef tallow from burger) 2 - tbsp. crumbled bacon Yellow mustard/salt/Tony Chachere's Creole seasoning to taste.
Cal 1760/104g Protein - Net Carbs (19.4)
So Pay up.
And cash only, as you are also a known liar and cheat.
If many didn’t essentially eat all day, there would be no need for fasting. Feasting vs fasting.
Fast if you want, however as mentioned previously I’m around many who get it done without the need to go 8-12 hours a day without eating normal food. The best athletes run on a finely tuned well nourished machine, and they get it done without only drinking water, coffee and electrolytes for the majority of their day
No doubt fasting will give one an energy boost when they get into running on fat. Is it a sustainable lifestyle for the vast majority? I have my doubts in our food emphasized society.
Only if they see the benefits, and refuse to be fat again. It takes discipline!
Has anyone noticed that the most unhealthiest foods have the largest advertising campaigns behind them?
The more carbs and sugar, the more advertising dollars spent.
The reason for this is that food companies can't brand and mark up real foods hundreds of percent.
But if a big food company can get their army of chemists to hit on the right combo of sugar, cheap seed oil, flour and artificial ingredients to come up with something tasty, they can brand it and have it be worth huge bucks if it catches on.
Its why the processed food section of any grocery store dwarfs the real food section.
It’s always someone else fault. Big food makes people be gluttons. Hey I’m fat and the fault is not mine. I deserve reparations . 😂
Has anyone noticed that the most unhealthiest foods have the largest advertising campaigns behind them?
The more carbs and sugar, the more advertising dollars spent.
The reason for this is that food companies can't brand and mark up real foods hundreds of percent.
But if a big food company can get their army of chemists to hit on the right combo of sugar, cheap seed oil, flour and artificial ingredients to come up with something tasty, they can brand it and have it be worth huge bucks if it catches on.
Its why the processed food section of any grocery store dwarfs the real food section.
It’s always someone else fault. Big food makes people be gluttons. Hey I’m fat and the fault is not mine. I deserve reparations . 😂
Being forced to put nutritional labels on all their products... has cost Big Food $Billions.
Which is then passed on to baby food eaters like you, that actually buy and eat that garbage.
If many didn’t essentially eat all day, there would be no need for fasting. Feasting vs fasting.
Fast if you want, however as mentioned previously I’m around many who get it done without the need to go 8-12 hours a day without eating normal food. The best athletes run on a finely tuned well nourished machine, and they get it done without only drinking water, coffee and electrolytes for the majority of their day
No doubt fasting will give one an energy boost when they get into running on fat. Is it a sustainable lifestyle for the vast majority? I have my doubts in our food emphasized society.
I don't think you realize it, but you just described Intermittent Fasting. If you don't eat for 12 hrs. you have just fasted for 12 hours. that's great. Fasting just means not eating. You are either feeding or fasting. If someone eats during a 12 hour window and fast's for 12 hours thats exactly what Intermittent Fasting is. It's just more common to fast for 16 hours and eat your meals in an 8 hour eating window. It just gives your body a little more time it metabolize your last meal. instead of storing it for body fat
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Correct and BINGO battue!
One thing about Intermittent Fasting is that you see immediate results and after you lose all of the deadly fat, you actually condition yourself and learn how to eat properly! Then it becomes a Lifestyle.
At least that is what it has done for me.
Cheers ~
No, it's not a diet! It's eating inside a certain window to stimulate hormones, autophagy, and stem cells. It is often used in conjunction with the Keto Diet
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Correct and BINGO battue!
One thing about Intermittent Fasting is that you see immediate results and after you lose all of the deadly fat, you actually condition yourself and learn how to eat properly! Then it becomes a Lifestyle.
At least that is what it has done for me.
Cheers ~
No, it's not a diet! It's eating inside a certain window to stimulate hormones, autophagy, and stem cells. It is often used in conjunction with the Keto Diet
Where in the holy fk do you people get your information? I am the creator of a fasting page that is world fk'n wide and the admin of such page! I have never read so much misinformation on a thread in my entire fk'n life but by all means this is the campfire isn't it! All I can say is this! 98% of the people who have posted on this thread are confused as fk! 2 percent are struggling! About 40% are intelligent enough to see that they are getting great results by fasting!
And one really stupid mf'er called RCMuggly is fugglier than a futher mucker dipped in stupidity! There is zero chance of this individual getting any information correct concerning fasting
And one really stupid mf'er called RCMuggly is fugglier than a futher mucker dipped in stupidity! There is zero chance of this individual getting any information correct concerning fasting
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?[/quote]
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle[/quote]
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for getting back to a healthy lifestyle[/quote]
Thanks for posting your results. ("IF is one of the best tools I've found for getting back to a healthy lifestyle") I agree, IF has done the same for me.
Fasting is another diet, and diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail. What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise.
Fasting is not a diet
It is a lifestyle change.
A diet is something you do, and as you stated. "diets in and of themselves overwhelmingly fail." I agree with you.
Fasting is something you don't do. You don't eat. You don't shop for food You don't eat food You don't cook food You don't clean up after cooking and eating You don't wash dish's.
Its not a diet, it's something you just stop doing.
If you Fast along with doing exactly what you just stated in your post ("What does almost always work is lifestyle modifications of eating reasonably and well, along with some form of habitual exercise")
“ We live in an interesting era. It's an era in which food selection can actually define you as a person. It shouldn't, but if you're looking for significance or purpose, it's an easy way to feel like you've found it.
This new phenomenon was catalyzed by the explosion of social media. We can now broadcast our chosen identities for the world to see. This leads many to fabricate a persona that'll garner attention, respect, and admiration.
It's easy to use your diet to gain "social points" and feel more significant... far easier than actually helping someone in real life.
Those who make their diet a part of their identity will defend any perceived attack on it. After all, if anyone argues against that diet, they're attacking the identity of the dieter. Even the most objective, science-based, unemotional argument is perceived as a vicious personal attack.
In fact, the better supported the argument is, the more it hurts. Remember, you're now attacking a person's core identity. Any perspective rooted in truth hurts a lot more than half-truths or opinions.
All extreme diet groups have a large number of these "diet as identity" members. Keto and veganism are the two most represented. By their nature, diets based on exclusion (exclusion of certain food groups or nutrients) attract more extreme people who are more likely to build their eating styles into who they are.”
“ We live in an interesting era. It's an era in which food selection can actually define you as a person. It shouldn't, but if you're looking for significance or purpose, it's an easy way to feel like you've found it.
This new phenomenon was catalyzed by the explosion of social media. We can now broadcast our chosen identities for the world to see. This leads many to fabricate a persona that'll garner attention, respect, and admiration.
It's easy to use your diet to gain "social points" and feel more significant... far easier than actually helping someone in real life.
Those who make their diet a part of their identity will defend any perceived attack on it. After all, if anyone argues against that diet, they're attacking the identity of the dieter. Even the most objective, science-based, unemotional argument is perceived as a vicious personal attack.
In fact, the better supported the argument is, the more it hurts. Remember, you're now attacking a person's core identity. Any perspective rooted in truth hurts a lot more than half-truths or opinions.
All extreme diet groups have a large number of these "diet as identity" members. Keto and veganism are the two most represented. By their nature, diets based on exclusion (exclusion of certain food groups or nutrients) attract more extreme people who are more likely to build their eating styles into who they are.”
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
We haven't been around that long.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
We are a type of ape. Our species has only been around for about 300,000 years.
We're becoming more lactose tolerant since about 8,000 years ago. Things change man.
You also contradicted yourself:
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
and that's beyond the window of our species anyway. We always cooked with fire according to your date data.
Disagree, but you should start a thread and pose that very point for discussion.
As for contradiction?
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
That's just arithmetic, from a generalized 8-10 Million years of existence, from Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.[/quote]
Stem cell production into deeper layers such as the bone barrow can take 3 days. However most all of the experts agree that between 24 and 36 hours will give a healthy dose of stem cells in the blood stream. HGH also greatly increases between 24 and 36 hours and HGH will help with tendons, ligaments, cartilage
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
We haven't been around that long.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
We are a type of ape. Our species has only been around for about 300,000 years.
We're becoming more lactose tolerant since about 8,000 years ago. Things change man.
You also contradicted yourself:
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
and that's beyond the window of our species anyway. We always cooked with fire according to your date data.
Disagree, but you should start a thread and pose that very point for discussion.
As for contradiction?
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
That's just arithmetic, from a generalized 8-10 Million years of existence, from Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
GR
We are a type of ape - you need to educate yourself.
You now further qualify your statements since the contradiction is pointed out - very sloppy performance.
What's your logic - you think we should eat as our far, far distant ancestors did?
Not all modern humans are fat fucks - you ever consider that it may be a behavioral thing? You looking to be a hero with a magic answer?
You have seen a pic of me, and it clearly most resembles the character on the right.
GR
You posted a pic stolen from cyberspace that you’d like to claim as yourself
Which is hilarious and disqualifies everything you’ve spouted on this thread because you’re a liar
You are a liar and a fraud.
Me, for the reasons and circumstances posted - Three months Keto and exercise.
You're just hungry is all.
And you owe me $100 ta boot.
But since you are so dishonest and disreputable, I'll let you, instead, give a dollar to every obese fat-body that comes in to buy your "every Three hours" baby food.
Tell them it's from a healthy Human who has the solution to their problem.
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.[/quote]
Stems cells into the bone marrow layers can take 3 days or more. However, most of the experts agree that between 24 and 36 hours you will get a healthy dose into the blood stream. I did up to 5 day fasts and a lot of 24 to 36 hour fasts. 24 to 36 hour fasts are also good for a big dose of HGH/ human growth hormone and HGH is great for healing tendons, ligaments, and cartilage.
Nowadays I do alternate day fasting every other week to keep my arthritis gone. One nice thing about alternate day fasts is you run less chance of downregulating your digestive system. In studies when you downregulate your digestive system it takes about a week for your body to replace the enzymes. If your enzymes are downregulated and you try to eat carbs you can get refeeding adema and or cause you some digestive issues. Fasting can be somewhat complicated to get it correct. As long as a person doesn't fast over 36 hours the enzymes don't downregulate. If I do a fast for several days or longer I plan on breaking back into my feeding pattern slowly to allow my enzymes to upregulate again without digestive issues. Since I am also very athletically inclined I also do what's called carb cycling! I'm very selective about what I eat to get my carbs since most carbs are not really that great for humans to consume. I get my carbs from fruit, berries, potatoes, or anything that grows in the ground. I stay almost 100% away from wheat, pasta, sugar, pop, candy, etc It has been life changing 100%
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
We haven't been around that long.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
We are a type of ape. Our species has only been around for about 300,000 years.
We're becoming more lactose tolerant since about 8,000 years ago. Things change man.
You also contradicted yourself:
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
and that's beyond the window of our species anyway. We always cooked with fire according to your date data.
Disagree, but you should start a thread and pose that very point for discussion.
As for contradiction?
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
That's just arithmetic, from a generalized 8-10 Million years of existence, from Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
GR
We are a type of ape - you need to educate yourself.
You now further qualify your statements since the contradiction is pointed out - very sloppy performance.
What's your logic - you think we should eat as our far, far distant ancestors did?
Not all modern humans are fat fucks - you ever consider that it may be a behavioral thing? You looking to be a hero with a magic answer?
So you are both math, and science, challenged.
Good for you, my friend.
Help you with the keto and fasting.
Free Education
Take it or leave it.
But the math and science is an education you will need to pay for, and pursue elsewhere.
You have seen a pic of me, and it clearly most resembles the character on the right.
GR
You posted a pic stolen from cyberspace that you’d like to claim as yourself
Which is hilarious and disqualifies everything you’ve spouted on this thread because you’re a liar
You are a liar and a fraud.
Me, for the reasons and circumstances posted - Three months Keto and exercise.
You're just hungry is all.
And you owe me $100 ta boot.
But since you are so dishonest and disreputable, I'll let you, instead, give a dollar to every obese fat-body that comes in to buy your "every Three hours" baby food.
Tell them it's from a healthy Human who has the solution to their problem.
Should take, what, a day?
Work on it.
Ha!
GR
It may be time to take a break from the mind-altering drugs.
You have seen a pic of me, and it clearly most resembles the character on the right.
GR
You posted a pic stolen from cyberspace that you’d like to claim as yourself
Which is hilarious and disqualifies everything you’ve spouted on this thread because you’re a liar
You are a liar and a fraud.
Me, for the reasons and circumstances posted - Three months Keto and exercise.
You're just hungry is all.
And you owe me $100 ta boot.
But since you are so dishonest and disreputable, I'll let you, instead, give a dollar to every obese fat-body that comes in to buy your "every Three hours" baby food.
Tell them it's from a healthy Human who has the solution to their problem.
Should take, what, a day?
Work on it.
Ha!
GR
It may be time to take a break from the mind-altering drugs.
Just trying to help
Your sugar withdrawals - have you predictably unbalanced and weak-minded.
Better eat something.
Note:
Me, Three months on Keto and exercise, and $100's to the "every Three hours" baby food obese fat-bodies.
You guys would be much better off using terms like time delayed eating rather than intermittent fasting, describing eating less than 3 meals a day, yet still eating sometime that day. And save fasting for not eating at least a full day.
You all over the place with IF this and IF that, claiming stuff that doesn't happen if you eat every day. Even confuse each other.
All my life I've known people that have eaten once or twice a day, no one called it fasting.
I would also add that the "IF" journey is far more than just fasting! It's learning about health on every level. For instance most men are deficient of Magnesium and Vitimin D. Stopping eating sugar and taking 500 MG of Magnesium and 10,000 iu of Vitamin D with K2 each day will get rid of most health issues in and of itself
If your the fuggly muggly however I'd bet anything your on testosterone replacement therapy likely because you missed the boat on most important factors that keep that from happening. For instance I'm 55 years old and still have a 100% natural testosterone level of 1100
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
We haven't been around that long.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
We are a type of ape. Our species has only been around for about 300,000 years.
We're becoming more lactose tolerant since about 8,000 years ago. Things change man.
You also contradicted yourself:
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
and that's beyond the window of our species anyway. We always cooked with fire according to your date data.
Disagree, but you should start a thread and pose that very point for discussion.
As for contradiction?
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
That's just arithmetic, from a generalized 8-10 Million years of existence, from Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
GR
We are a type of ape - you need to educate yourself.
You now further qualify your statements since the contradiction is pointed out - very sloppy performance.
What's your logic - you think we should eat as our far, far distant ancestors did?
Not all modern humans are fat fucks - you ever consider that it may be a behavioral thing? You looking to be a hero with a magic answer?
So you are both math, and science, challenged.
Good for you, my friend.
Help you with the keto and fasting.
Free Education
Take it or leave it.
But the math and science is an education you will need to pay for, and pursue elsewhere.
GR
You seem to be providing the antithesis of an "education". Keto and fasting - I'll leave it with you.
You guys would be much better off using terms like time delayed eating rather than intermittent fasting, describing eating less than 3 meals a day, yet still eating sometime that day. And save fasting for not eating at least a full day.
You all over the place with IF this and IF that, claiming stuff that doesn't happen if you eat every day. Even confuse each other.
All my life I've known people that have eaten once or twice a day, no one called it fasting.
But carry on.
Kent
Again, it's not fasting unless you are in ketosis, otherwise, it's starving.
The Keto+Fasting thing evolved from a dispersed base, almost a collective awakening and intelligence - an idea who's time had come.
Unlike the "every Three hours" baby food diet, developed by the USDA, in conjunction with the marketing departments of both Big Food and Agriculture.
So the language is all over the place, trying to find a consensus.
Instead of BS funded research projects, Keto+Fasting has developed from actual solutions to health problems, with anecdotal evidence and lab results from doctors.
And some Nobel Prize level cutting edge medical science thrown in.
You guys would be much better off using terms like time delayed eating rather than intermittent fasting, describing eating less than 3 meals a day, yet still eating sometime that day. And save fasting for not eating at least a full day.
You all over the place with IF this and IF that, claiming stuff that doesn't happen if you eat every day. Even confuse each other.
All my life I've known people that have eaten once or twice a day, no one called it fasting.
But carry on.
Kent
Again, it's not fasting unless you are in ketosis, otherwise, it's starving.
The Keto+Fasting thing evolved from a dispersed base, almost a collective awakening and intelligence - an idea who's time had come.
Unlike the "every Three hours" baby food diet, developed by the USDA, in conjunction with the marketing departments of both Big Food and Agriculture.
So the language is all over the place, trying to find a consensus.
Instead of BS funded research projects, Keto+Fasting has developed from actual solutions to health problems, with anecdotal evidence and lab results from doctors.
And some Nobel Prize level cutting edge medical science thrown in.
A language of it's own.
GR
Absolutely, autophagy only happens if your in ketosis. RCA fuggly doesn't know what either of those terms mean and I'd bet a good amount of money the fuggly is on testosterone replacement therapy as well. It happens to all of the uneducated xcessive carbohydrate mongrels
Absolutely, autophagy only happens if your in ketosis. RCA fuggly doesn't know what either of those terms mean and I'd bet a good amount of money the fuggly is on testosterone replacement therapy as well. It happens to all of the uneducated xcessive carbohydrate mongrels
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.
Stem cell production into deeper layers such as the bone barrow can take 3 days. However most all of the experts agree that between 24 and 36 hours will give a healthy dose of stem cells in the blood stream. HGH also greatly increases between 24 and 36 hours and HGH will help with tendons, ligaments, cartilage[/quote]
I started my IF journey buy eating one meal a day (OMAD) for 3weeks. that meal consisted of a protein (Steak, Chicken, Fish) and salads and/or green leafy vegetables. Then I went to 18-6. after about 3 weeks of that I did my first 72 hour fast.
after the 72 hour fast I started 16-8 with a 24 hour fast about every 10 days. I kept that schedule for a while and would do a 72 hour fast every 3 months or so to tap into Autophagy, Gh, Stem cell. I found that for me it helps to mix things up every once in a while. I have been IM Fasting for 3 years now. I have lost 80lbs. Turned around Type II diabetes and got off all meds and feel great. IM Fasting has changed my life.
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.
Stem cell production into deeper layers such as the bone barrow can take 3 days. However most all of the experts agree that between 24 and 36 hours will give a healthy dose of stem cells in the blood stream. HGH also greatly increases between 24 and 36 hours and HGH will help with tendons, ligaments, cartilage
I started my IF journey buy eating one meal a day (OMAD) for 3weeks. that meal consisted of a protein (Steak, Chicken, Fish) and salads and/or green leafy vegetables. Then I went to 18-6. after about 3 weeks of that I did my first 72 hour fast.
after the 72 hour fast I started 16-8 with a 24 hour fast about every 10 days. I kept that schedule for a while and would do a 72 hour fast every 3 months or so to tap into Autophagy, Gh, Stem cell. I found that for me it helps to mix things up every once in a while. I have been IM Fasting for 3 years now. I have lost 80lbs. Turned around Type II diabetes and got off all meds and feel great. IM Fasting has changed my life.[/quote]
"...“These studies have all been in these mouse models to date,” said Mana. “One idea we started with was to understand the metabolic dependencies of the tumors that can arise in a natural or pharmacological context and then target these metabolic programs to the detriment of the tumor but not the normal tissue."
Cancer cells - live by glycosis.
High Carbs are what fuel them, along with all the other metabolic diseases.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - is the culprit.
GR
Don't try and convince a zealot, the "food pyramid" is killing Americans. Nobody and certainly not me, said anything about eating nothing but high fats in a diet. What IS a fact is protein satiates hunger better than anything else. Carbs and the "low fat" bullshit, spike your sugar, which in turn makes you even more hungry and excess carbs turn into FAT. Proteins (with fat) are already there (i.e., they don't convert INTO fat) and as long as you also watch your caloric intake, you will lose weight AND significantly reduce your lipids count. In the end it's pretty simple, keep your carbs at or below 20grams/day, caloric intake under 2K calories and you WILL lose weight WITHOUT being as hungry if you embark on a silly, "low fat" diet based on "fruits and "veggies.". The "low fat" nonsense (read: high carb/processed foods) are the issue. Low carb, high protein diets WORK, not only for weight loss, but for reduced lipids counts as well.
All of the High Fat = Cancer studies are purposely set up to exclude all other variables. In other words, high fat with high insulin levels is unquestionably a killer.
What they don't study (because the food industry who is funding the studies don't want consumers to know) is a high GI diet full of grains, sugars, and processed foods is what's killing Americans. Our $134 Billion processed food industry is what causes most every metabolic disease including cancer. It's the tobacco industry all over again.
And don't think that the paleo bandleaders aren't also up to their neck in profiteering. Look at all the speciality paleo foods and supplements that have entered the market.
We touched on Autophagy, do you think it's time to discuss stem cell production, or is that a waste of time here?
One of the main reasons I got into fasting was because my Dr said I needed surgery on my knee. I couldn't run over a mile despite trying for months on end. I decided that HGH production and stem cells may work so started fasting 6 months into fasting and I was running 30 mile days. My Dr was having a difficult time understanding how that was possible. "IF" is one of the best tools I've found for repair and getting back to a healthy lifestyle
So did you accomplish this with a restricted eating window every day (IF) or did you also do more prolonged fasts? Reason I ask is that I have heard that to trigger stem cell production you have to fast for about 3 days minimum.
Stem cell production into deeper layers such as the bone barrow can take 3 days. However most all of the experts agree that between 24 and 36 hours will give a healthy dose of stem cells in the blood stream. HGH also greatly increases between 24 and 36 hours and HGH will help with tendons, ligaments, cartilage
I started my IF journey buy eating one meal a day (OMAD) for 3weeks. that meal consisted of a protein (Steak, Chicken, Fish) and salads and/or green leafy vegetables. Then I went to 18-6. after about 3 weeks of that I did my first 72 hour fast.
after the 72 hour fast I started 16-8 with a 24 hour fast about every 10 days. I kept that schedule for a while and would do a 72 hour fast every 3 months or so to tap into Autophagy, Gh, Stem cell. I found that for me it helps to mix things up every once in a while. I have been IM Fasting for 3 years now. I have lost 80lbs. Turned around Type II diabetes and got off all meds and feel great. IM Fasting has changed my life.[/quote]
Mixing it up is definitely preferable so you don't get stuck. Your mapped out your fasting very well
All of the High Fat = Cancer studies are purposely set up to exclude all other variables. In other words, high fat with high insulin levels is unquestionably a killer.
What they don't study (because the food industry who is funding the studies don't want consumers to know) is a high GI diet full of grains, sugars, and processed foods is what's killing Americans. Our $134 Billion processed food industry is what causes most every metabolic disease including cancer. It's the tobacco industry all over again.
And don't think that the paleo bandleaders aren't also up to their neck in profiteering. Look at all the speciality paleo foods and supplements that have entered the market.
All this is silly. It's not that difficult.
Keto+Fasting is not "new"... it is very old.
The Std. American "every Three hours" baby food Diet is new, as are all the metabolic diseases it brings.
As for "supplements" - there is a very short list of essentials, due to the modern world.
- Well/filtered potable water - not from alluvial rivers and streams, or evaporative ponds fed by them. - Well irrigation water - not flood irrigation from the spilled banks of alluvial rivers and streams. - Excessive high-starch Agriculture - not the bank vegetables that contain high nutritional content.
So some essential nutrients are scarce or devoid in the modern world.
Alluvial/colloidal minerals are the most scarce. No longer in the water, both drinking and irrigation.
And because they are not in the feed, they are not in the feed animals.
Luckily, $0.25/day of cheleated minerals, including magnesium, potassium, sodium, and iodine, solve the problem.
So along with meat, animal fat, and a half lb. of bank vegetables, Keto+Fasting works, and works well.
Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.
The weight gain stems from a behavioral problem and a learning problem. They never were taught the differences between food choices. Some are healthy, some are not. It’s amazing how much the average individual doesn’t know about the nutrient composition of food items.
I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all. The majority are buying premade meals and packaged, high-calorie processed foods with low nutrient density to live on and are ignorant to their nutritional value. Their food IQ is pathetic
They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.
Many have psychological problems and use food to satisfy various emotional needs rather than to satisfy hunger
Couple that with inactivity and a lifestyle with no exercise regimen, and they end up in trouble; morbidly obese and a huge uphill battle
At this point since they’re completely oblivious of how they arrived here, they have to start figuring things out. They want the quickest, easiest route as well, so fad diets that promise rapid weight loss are attractive.
Fasting bring about rapid weight loss but folks tend to gain weight back because the method fails to teach correct food behavioral patterns to sustain the new lower body weight.
A reasonable weight control program has three aspects. Increased physical activity to increase expenditure of energy and to strengthen muscles, behavior modification to help eating choices, and a diet with good nutrition while losing weight and maintaining permanent weight loss
Slow weight loss is preferred over rapid weight loss and should never be more than 2 pounds a week. A calorie deficit of 500 per day or 3500 per week will result in one pound of weight loss. To do it right is a slow process and why most fail
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
Behavioral but also socioeconomic. Many low income folks only have access to processed/fast foods which by comparison are more economical to purchase. Of course these foods are also packed with carb and sugar calories. A portion of this population set (Black) is also highly susceptible to heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes so it's a perfect storm for them.
If you look at BMI by race, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans, and blacks pack on the pounds quicker than Asians, Filipinos, and Chinese. Not a genetic thing but a diet thing. Mix carbs with high fat and the pounds materialize along with all the fun stuff like heart disease and cancers.
Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.
The weight gain stems from a behavioral problem and a learning problem. They never were taught the differences between food choices. Some are healthy, some are not. It’s amazing how much the average individual doesn’t know about the nutrient composition of food items.
I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all. The majority are buying premade meals and packaged, high-calorie processed foods with low nutrient density to live on and are ignorant to their nutritional value. Their food IQ is pathetic
They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.
Many have psychological problems and use food to satisfy various emotional needs rather than to satisfy hunger
Couple that with inactivity and a lifestyle with no exercise regimen, and they end up in trouble; morbidly obese and a huge uphill battle
At this point since they’re completely oblivious of how they arrived here, they have to start figuring things out. They want the quickest, easiest route as well, so fad diets that promise rapid weight loss are attractive.
Fasting bring about rapid weight loss but folks tend to gain weight back because the method fails to teach correct food behavioral patterns to sustain the new lower body weight.
A reasonable weight control program has three aspects. Increased physical activity to increase expenditure of energy and to strengthen muscles, behavior modification to help eating choices, and a diet with good nutrition while losing weight and maintaining permanent weight loss
Slow weight loss is preferred over rapid weight loss and should never be more than 2 pounds a week. A calorie deficit of 500 per day or 3500 per week will result in one pound of weight loss. To do it right is a slow process and why most fail
Tough to argue against any of that.
With regards to the "clean your plate / don't waste food" notion, I've explained that to family and friends before when I was about to toss out some meal leftovers that didn't warrant saving. Most would say we needed to eat that last bit of food to not be wasteful. My question was generally which route would serve you better across the span of a year, dumping that extra food in the trash or dumping it down your gullet? Neither would save you any money, but only one would actually make you fatter by the end of that year. If you don't need it and you can't save it, toss it and move on.
Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.
The weight gain stems from a behavioral problem and a learning problem. They never were taught the differences between food choices. Some are healthy, some are not. It’s amazing how much the average individual doesn’t know about the nutrient composition of food items.
I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all. The majority are buying premade meals and packaged, high-calorie processed foods with low nutrient density to live on and are ignorant to their nutritional value. Their food IQ is pathetic
They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.
Many have psychological problems and use food to satisfy various emotional needs rather than to satisfy hunger
Couple that with inactivity and a lifestyle with no exercise regimen, and they end up in trouble; morbidly obese and a huge uphill battle
At this point since they’re completely oblivious of how they arrived here, they have to start figuring things out. They want the quickest, easiest route as well, so fad diets that promise rapid weight loss are attractive.
Fasting bring about rapid weight loss but folks tend to gain weight back because the method fails to teach correct food behavioral patterns to sustain the new lower body weight.
A reasonable weight control program has three aspects. Increased physical activity to increase expenditure of energy and to strengthen muscles, behavior modification to help eating choices, and a diet with good nutrition while losing weight and maintaining permanent weight loss
Slow weight loss is preferred over rapid weight loss and should never be more than 2 pounds a week. A calorie deficit of 500 per day or 3500 per week will result in one pound of weight loss. To do it right is a slow process and why most fail
Fast weight loss, done intelligently, is not harmful.
Weight loss and maintenance is a behavioral change for those that are heavy and suffer from sluggish, slow metabolisms.
The only way to maintain your weight at the weight you want to be at is to understand your own body and not one solution fits all.
Of course, exercise is paramount in maintaining overall general good health, but many people are actually killing themselves and have killed themselves by Over Exercising, I can cite many examples.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
What do you think their recommendation to consume “healthy sources of protein (mostly plants such as legumes and nuts; fish and seafood; low-fat or nonfat dairy; and, if you eat meat and poultry, ensuring it is lean and unprocessed)“ means?
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
What do you think their recommendation to consume “healthy sources of protein (mostly plants such as legumes and nuts; fish and seafood; low-fat or nonfat dairy; and, if you eat meat and poultry, ensuring it is lean and unprocessed)“ means?
They used to explicitly say avoid saturated fat Einstein. What do you expect them to do get on a podium and say gee we screwed up the lives of a couple of generations of Americans?
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
What do you think their recommendation to consume “healthy sources of protein (mostly plants such as legumes and nuts; fish and seafood; low-fat or nonfat dairy; and, if you eat meat and poultry, ensuring it is lean and unprocessed)“ means?
They used to explicitly say avoid saturated fat Einstein. What do you expect them to do get on a podium and say gee we screwed up the lives of a couple of generations of Americans?
Idiot.
Hey moron,
I posted their explicit recommendation to avoid saturated and monounsaturated fats earlier in the thread
“ The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.
The more important thing to remember is the overall dietary picture. Saturated fats are just one piece of the puzzle. In general, you can’t go wrong eating more fruits, vegetables and whole grains – and taking in fewer calories.
When you hear about the latest “diet of the day” or a new or odd-sounding theory about food, consider the source. The American Heart Association makes dietary recommendations only after carefully considering the latest scientific evidence.”
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
What do you think their recommendation to consume “healthy sources of protein (mostly plants such as legumes and nuts; fish and seafood; low-fat or nonfat dairy; and, if you eat meat and poultry, ensuring it is lean and unprocessed)“ means?
Profits today, and Metabolic Diseases down the road.
Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.
The weight gain stems from a behavioral problem and a learning problem. They never were taught the differences between food choices. Some are healthy, some are not. It’s amazing how much the average individual doesn’t know about the nutrient composition of food items.
I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all. The majority are buying premade meals and packaged, high-calorie processed foods with low nutrient density to live on and are ignorant to their nutritional value. Their food IQ is pathetic
They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.
Many have psychological problems and use food to satisfy various emotional needs rather than to satisfy hunger
Couple that with inactivity and a lifestyle with no exercise regimen, and they end up in trouble; morbidly obese and a huge uphill battle
At this point since they’re completely oblivious of how they arrived here, they have to start figuring things out. They want the quickest, easiest route as well, so fad diets that promise rapid weight loss are attractive.
Fasting bring about rapid weight loss but folks tend to gain weight back because the method fails to teach correct food behavioral patterns to sustain the new lower body weight.
A reasonable weight control program has three aspects. Increased physical activity to increase expenditure of energy and to strengthen muscles, behavior modification to help eating choices, and a diet with good nutrition while losing weight and maintaining permanent weight loss
Slow weight loss is preferred over rapid weight loss and should never be more than 2 pounds a week. A calorie deficit of 500 per day or 3500 per week will result in one pound of weight loss. To do it right is a slow process and why most fail
While well thought out and presented - you are missing the essential point.
Keto+Fasting - is about Health, not weight loss.
That is just one of its many benefits, along with eating to satiate, and depressing or avoiding Metabolic Disease all together.
The relatively new, modern, low-fat/high-starch diet?
Requires Both constant eating and starvation (restrictive portions), and its subsequent withdrawal symptoms (hunger), just to counter the Human body's natural capacity and inclination to convert all that sugar to it's preferred energy source - fat.
... while Metabolic Diseases run rampant.
So why do that?
Just run on fat all the time, instead.
Eat, don't eat, the Human body, in Ketosis, doesn't care.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.
The weight gain stems from a behavioral problem and a learning problem. They never were taught the differences between food choices. Some are healthy, some are not. It’s amazing how much the average individual doesn’t know about the nutrient composition of food items.
I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all. The majority are buying premade meals and packaged, high-calorie processed foods with low nutrient density to live on and are ignorant to their nutritional value. Their food IQ is pathetic
They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.
Many have psychological problems and use food to satisfy various emotional needs rather than to satisfy hunger
Couple that with inactivity and a lifestyle with no exercise regimen, and they end up in trouble; morbidly obese and a huge uphill battle
At this point since they’re completely oblivious of how they arrived here, they have to start figuring things out. They want the quickest, easiest route as well, so fad diets that promise rapid weight loss are attractive.
Fasting bring about rapid weight loss but folks tend to gain weight back because the method fails to teach correct food behavioral patterns to sustain the new lower body weight.
A reasonable weight control program has three aspects. Increased physical activity to increase expenditure of energy and to strengthen muscles, behavior modification to help eating choices, and a diet with good nutrition while losing weight and maintaining permanent weight loss
Slow weight loss is preferred over rapid weight loss and should never be more than 2 pounds a week. A calorie deficit of 500 per day or 3500 per week will result in one pound of weight loss. To do it right is a slow process and why most fail
Well, lets look at the first sentence. ("]Let’s talk about how people become morbidly obese.")
That's easy. Sugar and excess carb ingestion.
Then, (" They never were taught the differences between food choices.")and ("I’d bet the great majority have no idea how to cook a healthy, balanced meat because of this deficiency, or even know how to cook at all.")
So they are fat because they don't know how to cook. No, they are fat from eating large amounts of sugar and carbs.
("They never were taught self control or reasonable portion sizes. Some were forced to “clean their plate” and screwed up by whoever raised them.")
So then we are gonna blame them being fat on there parents. Of course we have to blame someone, don't we?
or could it be because they ate to much sugar and carbs.
("Many have psychological problems.") so now they are fat because they are just crazy.
Or maybe its because they eat sugar and carbs 6 times a day.
We can keep going but I just don't see the need. Color this any way you want to justify it. But The glaring red flag here is, If these obese people didn't eat excessive amounts of sugar and carbs they would not be obese to begin with.
It's simple, eating sugar and lots of carbs makes you FAT.
Sitting on the couch eating bon bons will make you fat, running a marathon and eating bon bons will not make you fat, sitting on the couch eating nothing will not make you fat.
The ones I feel for are those that eat almost nothing and genetically can't help being over large.
Sitting on the couch eating bon bons will make you fat, running a marathon and eating bon bons will not make you fat, sitting on the couch eating nothing will not make you fat.
The ones I feel for are those that eat almost nothing and genetically can't help being over large.
Kent
Agreed.
You don't see any morbidly obese people running a marathon.
Sitting on the couch eating bon bons will make you fat, running a marathon and eating bon bons will not make you fat, sitting on the couch eating nothing will not make you fat.
The ones I feel for are those that eat almost nothing and genetically can't help being over large.
Kent
Eating bon bon's isn't a good idea either way. Just sitting isn't a good idea either way. I wish we could get past the eat less and exercise more mantra.
If we simply eat the right things, we will eat less automatically, and feel more like exercising automatically.
It's the bon bon's and every other damn poison we eat that's the problem.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
You are missing the essential point.
Keto+Fasting - is about Health, not weight loss.
That is just one of its many benefits, along with eating to satiate, and depressing or avoiding Metabolic Disease all together.
The relatively new, modern, low-fat/high-starch diet?
Requires Both constant eating and starvation (restrictive portions), and its subsequent withdrawal symptoms (hunger), just to counter the Human body's natural capacity and inclination to convert all that sugar to it's preferred energy source - fat.
... while Metabolic Diseases run rampant.
So why do that?
Just run on fat all the time, instead.
Eat, don't eat, the Human body, in Ketosis, doesn't care.
Sitting on the couch eating bon bons will make you fat, running a marathon and eating bon bons will not make you fat, sitting on the couch eating nothing will not make you fat.
The ones I feel for are those that eat almost nothing and genetically can't help being over large.
Kent
Eating all you want on the "every Three hours" baby food diet - will make you fat and metabolically diseased.
Eating all you want on keto+fasting - will produce your natural Human body weight and muscle composition, while protecting you from metabolic diseases.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
Hi rcamuglia
I have a question for you!
Have you ever been morbidly obese in your life, and how would you describe your metabolism??
By the way, you never responded to how beautiful one of my x that is posted is! lol
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
Hi rcamuglia
I have a question for you!
Have you ever been morbidly obese in your life, and how would you describe your metabolism??
By the way, you never responded to how beautiful one of my x that is posted is! lol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........silence from the all-seeing and all-knowing Chef!
Yeah right. I just don’t hang around on the Internet all day. Maybe that’s why you’re fat. 🤓
No, I have never been obese simply because of the reasons stated in my above post. I was brought up on home cooked meals with quality ingredients and was taught good eating habits. I have been an athlete of some sort all of my life. I have spent 5 days a week the gym for the last 40 years. I’m a restaurant owner who owns a real restaurant. Everything is prepared from the raw materials like my family’s kitchen and their family’s kitchen before them. I never have eaten processed junk or pre prepared institutional meals
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
Hi rcamuglia
I have a question for you!
Have you ever been morbidly obese in your life, and how would you describe your metabolism??
By the way, you never responded to how beautiful one of my x that is posted is! lol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........silence from the all-seeing and all-knowing Chef!
Yeah right. I just don’t hang around on the Internet all day. Maybe that’s why you’re fat. 🤓
No, I have never been obese simply because of the reasons stated in my above post. I was brought up on home cooked meals with quality ingredients and was taught good eating habits. I have been an athlete of some sort all of my life. I have spent 5 days a week the gym for the last 40 years. I’m a restaurant owner who owns a real restaurant. Everything is prepared from the raw materials like my family’s kitchen and their family’s kitchen before them. I never have eaten processed junk or pre prepared institutional meals
I kick out food from my kitchen, you’ve seen it.
Thank you for responding Rick!
Before I respond to your message, I have a few questions, which I would like you to answer honestly and back up with proof if you can, because I can.
Do you have any record of notable athletic accomplishments, besides sitting in front of a mirror admiring yourself while you pump iron? If so please do share these accomplishments.
Thanks, your friend that is an excellent cook as well, and sits in front of a computer all dam day lol.
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
Hi rcamuglia
I have a question for you!
Have you ever been morbidly obese in your life, and how would you describe your metabolism??
By the way, you never responded to how beautiful one of my x that is posted is! lol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........silence from the all-seeing and all-knowing Chef!
Yeah right. I just don’t hang around on the Internet all day. Maybe that’s why you’re fat. 🤓
No, I have never been obese simply because of the reasons stated in my above post. I was brought up on home cooked meals with quality ingredients and was taught good eating habits. I have been an athlete of some sort all of my life. I have spent 5 days a week the gym for the last 40 years. I’m a restaurant owner who owns a real restaurant. Everything is prepared from the raw materials like my family’s kitchen and their family’s kitchen before them. I never have eaten processed junk or pre prepared institutional meals
I kick out food from my kitchen, you’ve seen it.
Thank you for responding Rick!
Before I respond to your message, I have a few questions, which I would like you to answer honestly and back up with proof if you can, because I can.
Do you have any record of notable athletic accomplishments, besides sitting in front of a mirror admiring yourself while you pump iron? If so please do share these accomplishments.
Thanks, your friend that is an excellent cook as well, and sits in front of a computer all dam day lol.
I can tell you this.......Rick believes that doing deadlifts is the apitamy of health. While it certainly doesn't hurt Vo2 max is also extremely important. Most carbohydrate mongrels hate Vo2 max excersise simply because there resting heart rate is already completely botched due to eating way to many of the wrong carbs to begin with such as wheat and pasta! Throw a 100 lb pack on Rick and ask him to carry it 20 miles and I assure you he will crumble like a sissy. REAL athletes in there older years fully understand what it takes. David Goggins would be a prime example. David says take whatever you are weakest at and make.it your strongest area. Take your kryptonite and crush is! That doesn't mean to go to the gym and crush dead lifts in front of everyone because it's your strongest suit. I'm certain Rick is a good dude and I would be happy to barbecue with the man on a weekend but he does suffer from pride syndrome and it is clearly blurring his vision just a tad
Do you have any record of notable athletic accomplishments, besides sitting in front of a mirror admiring yourself while you pump iron? If so please do share these accomplishments..
Baseball all-star as a kid before being introduced to Golf and playing on the team in high school, lead the City Tournament one year at 3 under before blowing up 😂 then it was all about the shooting sports of Sporting Clays, FITASC, and Precicion Rifle for the next 30 years
4-Time NSCA Team USA 8-Time NSCA All American Team 2002 NSCA World Sporting Clays Championship Team USA Silver 2006 NSCA World Sporting Clays Championship Team USA Silver World FITASC Team USA Gold Minnesota Horse and Hunt Club 2005 NSCA National Championship Browning All-Around Champion 2005 NSCA National Championship Krieghoff Cup Champion 2005 NSCA National Championship FITASC Champion 2001 NSCA National Championship Runner Up 2006 Pan American FITASC Champion (World Cup) 2007 NSCA National FITASC Champion 2003 NSCA National Championship Krieghoff Cup Runner Up 2005 NSCA US Open 3RD 2005 NSCA US Open FITASC Runner Up 2005 World Sporting Clays Championship FITASC Runner Up 2004 Browning/Briley Runner Up 2002 Midwest FITASC Champion 2003 Midwest FITASC Champion 2007 NSCA National Championship FITASC 3rd 9-Time New Mexico State Champion 3-Time Arizona State Shoot Champion 2-Time Colorado State Shoot Champion
...just to list a few
Multiple Sporting Rifle Match wins including a course record matching score of 58
2012 Sniper's Hide Cup 16th 2013 Sniper's Hide Cup 13th 2013 Steel Safari Runner Up 2014 Steel Safari Champion 2015 Steel Safari 5th 2016 Steel Safari 7th
And yes, shooting is an athletic sport that demands the best hand-eye coordination
Do you have any record of notable athletic accomplishments, besides sitting in front of a mirror admiring yourself while you pump iron? If so please do share these accomplishments..
Baseball all-star as a kid before being introduced to Golf and playing on the team in high school, lead the City Tournament one year at 3 under before blowing up 😂 then it was all about the shooting sports of Sporting Clays, FITASC, and Precicion Rifle for the next 30 years
4-Time NSCA Team USA 8-Time NSCA All American Team 2002 NSCA World Sporting Clays Championship Team USA Silver 2006 NSCA World Sporting Clays Championship Team USA Silver World FITASC Team USA Gold Minnesota Horse and Hunt Club 2005 NSCA National Championship Browning All-Around Champion 2005 NSCA National Championship Krieghoff Cup Champion 2005 NSCA National Championship FITASC Champion 2001 NSCA National Championship Runner Up 2006 Pan American FITASC Champion (World Cup) 2007 NSCA National FITASC Champion 2003 NSCA National Championship Krieghoff Cup Runner Up 2005 NSCA US Open 3RD 2005 NSCA US Open FITASC Runner Up 2005 World Sporting Clays Championship FITASC Runner Up 2004 Browning/Briley Runner Up 2002 Midwest FITASC Champion 2003 Midwest FITASC Champion 2007 NSCA National Championship FITASC 3rd 9-Time New Mexico State Champion 3-Time Arizona State Shoot Champion 2-Time Colorado State Shoot Champion
...just to list a few
Multiple Sporting Rifle Match wins including a course record matching score of 58
2012 Sniper's Hide Cup 16th 2013 Sniper's Hide Cup 13th 2013 Steel Safari Runner Up 2014 Steel Safari Champion 2015 Steel Safari 5th 2016 Steel Safari 7th
And yes, shooting is an athletic sport that demands the best hand-eye coordination
Rick, obviously you misunderstood my question.
Shooting is not an athletic endeavor, I know this is true because I grew up on a Skeet, Trap, and Sporting Clay Private Shooting Club which my father was the President of. I meant physical sports like football or boxing.
Let me give you this example, when I played football as a Halfback and Middle Linebacker and weighed 220lbs at 6' tall, I was running a 4.2/40, which many can not do and I highly doubt it if you ever did.
Not to diminish your shooting accomplishments, which are outstanding, congrats!
Have is another example, I held the weight tranting club record for deadlifting, I meant physical stuff?
I'm gonna wade into this, against my best judgment.
Low carb is the best way to lose weight. Period. You can't outtrain a crappy diet.
Most that think they are in ketosis aren't. That's not to discredit their low carb diet and it's effects on weight loss, as I said, low carb is the best way to lose weight.
If you think you are in ketosis, I'd like to do a finger prick and check your serum ketones. I bet 85% are under 1.5 mmol. That's good, that means you are earing low carb and nearing ketosis. To be in optimal fat metabolism mode, you need to be over 2 mmol/kg. Some can do it, but most have too much gluconeogenisis. My wife can do a 24 hr fast and get to 5 mmol/kg. But she's an anomaly.
I'm not a big ketosis guy anymore but was at one point. My longest stretch of ketosis was around 3.5 years. It's very difficult mechanistically to remain in ketosis if you travel a bunch, so I just gave it up and went low carb. I was flirting around with fasting and weight lifting heavy many years ago. I deadlifted 400# on the 5th day of a 5 day fast. Not anything special, but ketones are efficient fuel. Also, if you are entering a session that requires intense concentration and high level mental functioning, high mmol ketosis is unmatched.
Also was wearing continuous glucose monitors long before anyone knew what that was. Learned a lot about glycemic spikes in my body and what glycemic load I could handle if I wanted to do sustained cardiac efforts.
If you are doing dietary weight loss and are not in ketosis, just calorie restricting and not exercising, most people's weight loss is around 70% fat, 30% muscle. This is based on tons of dexascan data. So one thing to do if restricting diet to maintain muscle is to do some resistance training. You don't need to be lifting monstrous weights, just activate your skeletal muscle and muscle loss will be mitigated.
If you think being one of the best shooters in the World isn't an athletic accomplishment, I can't help ya dude.
LOL
No non athletic people are excellent shooters, it's a mental game, not a physical one.
Have you ever heard of Bernard "Barney" Conrad Hartman. He was a world champion skeet shooter, National Skeet Shooting Association Hall of Fame Inductee, Canadian Sports Hall of Famer, and recipient of the Order of Canada. I have shot with him; he would kick your ass.
I also shot with Paul Laporte, he shot in the 1976 Olympics, and he was a close family friend, he would kick your ass as well. I have hunted ducks and shot skeet with him many times. This is funny, he owned a famous restaurant that Gordon Ramsay bought from him. So not only was he a better shot than you, his restaurant was most likely way better than yours lol
I have known some of the best skeet shooters in the world, they were not what I would call athletic. In any case here is my point.
You are completely unqualified to share views in this thread, why do I say that?
You commented "No, I have never been obese simply because of the reasons stated in my above post." so you yourself have stated that you have never been fat, so what in the F do you know about losing weight? A BIG FAT ZERO, that is what you know Rick.
Unlike myself, I can gain 30 lbs. a month easily and have been fat, when I suffered a lengthy injury and have had to watch everything I eat since I was 16 years old to stay fit and lean.
I am an expert in gaining and losing weight because I have an exceedingly slow metabolism. You know chit about the subject because I will bet that when you were in your teens you were a rake, who never was concerned about gaining weight since you have a fast and great metabolism. Consider yourself fortunate.
You also said “Yeah right. I just don’t hang around on the Internet all day. Maybe that’s why you’re fat. 🤓”
Wrong again Rick this is a picture of me, do I look fat to you? I have had to watch everything I eat otherwise I would be fat.
So, with all due respect spare us people with your advice, you do not know what you are talking about on the subject, since you have never been fat. You have NO CLUE!
This is a recent picture of me at 63 years old, do I look fat to you? lol
Do you have any athletic ability? Yes! I play golf.....Lol
All kidding aside you do have some serious accomplishments that are worthy of recognition! Shooting likely being the most important of them all considering the hole this country has fallen into
I'm gonna wade into this, against my best judgment.
Low carb is the best way to lose weight. Period. You can't outtrain a crappy diet.
Most that think they are in ketosis aren't. That's not to discredit their low carb diet and it's effects on weight loss, as I said, low carb is the best way to lose weight.
If you think you are in ketosis, I'd like to do a finger prick and check your serum ketones. I bet 85% are under 1.5 mmol. That's good, that means you are earing low carb and nearing ketosis. To be in optimal fat metabolism mode, you need to be over 2 mmol/kg. Some can do it, but most have too much gluconeogenisis. My wife can do a 24 hr fast and get to 5 mmol/kg. But she's an anomaly.
I'm not a big ketosis guy anymore but was at one point. My longest stretch of ketosis was around 3.5 years. It's very difficult mechanistically to remain in ketosis if you travel a bunch, so I just gave it up and went low carb. I was flirting around with fasting and weight lifting heavy many years ago. I deadlifted 400# on the 5th day of a 5 day fast. Not anything special, but ketones are efficient fuel. Also, if you are entering a session that requires intense concentration and high level mental functioning, high mmol ketosis is unmatched.
Also was wearing continuous glucose monitors long before anyone knew what that was. Learned a lot about glycemic spikes in my body and what glycemic load I could handle if I wanted to do sustained cardiac efforts.
If you are doing dietary weight loss and are not in ketosis, just calorie restricting and not exercising, most people's weight loss is around 70% fat, 30% muscle. This is based on tons of dexascan data. So one thing to do if restricting diet to maintain muscle is to do some resistance training. You don't need to be lifting monstrous weights, just activate your skeletal muscle and muscle loss will be mitigated.
I’m realizing that you really are as dumb as I thought you were when you first joined the campfire. The 1/4” rifle all day with factory ammo thread was amazing
I do and that does not change the fact that you do not now chit about losing and maintaining weight, which is what I think this thread is all about. Correct me if I am wrong?
Here is the current guidelines regarding diet from the American Heart Association. Notice how it says nothing about saturated fat anymore. Why? Enough people called them on their BS.
I made a mistake with this post. The AHA still states that saturated fat is bad in another section of their website, so if you want to go with them don't eat it.
I strongly disagree with the AHA and will go so far as to state that I believe they are paid off by big food as evidenced by them putting their seal of approval on processed garbage but I will not knowingly post mis-information.
Point conceded to rcamuglia.
At least crow is low carb
😂
Hi rcamuglia
I have a question for you!
Have you ever been morbidly obese in your life, and how would you describe your metabolism??
By the way, you never responded to how beautiful one of my x that is posted is! lol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........silence from the all-seeing and all-knowing Chef!
Yeah right. I just don’t hang around on the Internet all day. Maybe that’s why you’re fat. 🤓
No, I have never been obese simply because of the reasons stated in my above post. I was brought up on home cooked meals with quality ingredients and was taught good eating habits. I have been an athlete of some sort all of my life. I have spent 5 days a week the gym for the last 40 years. I’m a restaurant owner who owns a real restaurant. Everything is prepared from the raw materials like my family’s kitchen and their family’s kitchen before them. I never have eaten processed junk or pre prepared institutional meals
I kick out food from my kitchen, you’ve seen it.
The Sugar diet - has one advantage over Keto+Fasting:
Performance Athletics.
Shovel in enough sugar, and one becomes a "Top Fuel Dragster."
More power, faster down the strip, runs out of gas, needs to be rebuilt for the next event, and eventually breaks down and gets replaced.
Useless - except for making Other People Money.
A "Ford GT," on the other hand?
Maybe 1/4 second slower in the 1/4 mile, but 65 mph faster, will run flat out for a coupla hundred miles without refueling, and 100's of Thousands of miles without mechanical issues - a Lifetime.
I’m realizing that you really are as dumb as I thought you were when you first joined the campfire. The 1/4” rifle all day with factory ammo thread was amazing
Jim Conrad had you pegged
😂😂😂
Missed your link.
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings with the Human Keto+Fasting education.
Yes In fact I have, one summer in 30+ days I ate 1 apple and 1 sandwich I was 17. That fall I was my high school's Star Football player playing both Halfback and Middle Linebacker.
As I said for me, because of my crappy Metabolism, it has been a lifetime battle, that's why I know what I am talking about.
Here is a picture of me running in a touchdown that fall after a long fast that summer.
Yes In fact I have, one summer in 30+ days I ate 1 apple and 1 sandwich I was 17. That fall I was my high school's Star Football player playing both Halfback and Middle Linebacker.
As I said for me, because of my crappy Metabolism, it has been a lifetime battle, that's why I know what I am talking about.
Here is a picture of me running in a touchdown that fall after a long fast that summer.
You have serious problems if, in high school, you fasted for 30 days.
Yes In fact I have, one summer in 30+ days I ate 1 apple and 1 sandwich I was 17. That fall I was my high school's Star Football player playing both Halfback and Middle Linebacker.
As I said for me, because of my crappy Metabolism, it has been a lifetime battle, that's why I know what I am talking about.
Here is a picture of me running in a touchdown that fall after a long fast that summer.
You have serious problems if, in high school, you fasted for 30 days.
JFC dude
My Metabolism is COMPLETELY F'ED UP, I wish it were not so!
My brother ate like a pig and had abs and hardly work out, it really SUCKED!
I also like the prettiest gals, they preferred fit boys lol
Funny how when people lose discussions they resort to stupid comments as you just have or try to deflect by rehashing settled issues and creating more arguments like women would do.
I only came here to help members that want to learn about Intermittent Fasting, which I have been going throughout my lifetime casually and more seriously for the last 4 years because I feel way better and want to help others facing the same predicament as me.
You on the other hand are doing nothing constructive.
I would like to congratulate you on your long list of shooting accomplishments. You are obviously a world class shooter. and from the pic's you have posted it looks like your cooking is first class also. I will give credit where credit is due. I'm sure you spent many years training in both areas to achieve the skill level you are at.
someone would be lucky to have you as a coach in either area. You could speak from experience having been there and done that successfully.
That being said, the same holds true on the discussion about Health, weight loss and longevity via a low carb diet and Intermittent Fasting. Many people here have years of experience in this area and been very successful. Its hard to tell someone something if you have not walked a mile in his shoes.
If I walked up to you on the shooting range and told you, Hey, you need to keep your head down, don't shoot until you see your proper lead and sight picture. And you better follow through or your not gonna break that target. You would probably laugh at me or tell me to go fugg off. Same in the kitchen if I told you how to cook.
Its hard to speak from experience if you haven't been there done that.
Not everyone needs to eat low carb and fast. It's just a tool that works extremely well for people who need to use it. There is no reason to shoot down the proven results that people have posted here. The facts are the facts. no one is telling you to fast. It doesn't have to be what you do is correct and what others do is wrong.
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
"I also shot with Paul Laporte, he shot in the 1976 Olympics, and he was a close family friend, he would kick your ass as well. I have hunted ducks and shot skeet with him many times. This is funny, he owned a famous restaurant that Gordon Ramsay bought from him. So not only was he a better shot than you, his restaurant was most likely way better than yours lol"
I knew, and also shot with Paul Laporte many times. He would come to Florida and shoot in the winter months at my home range back in the 70's, He could damn well shoot. He was like a machine. His wife could shoot too. I was on the skeet field with him when I shot my first 100 straight with a 410. It was a very long time ago. I was a teenager at the time. He took my hat off and threw it in the air on station 8 and everyone shot it. Its a small world.
On a side note, some here don’t know the difference between Sporting, FITASC, Skeet and the level of difficulty
I have 2 friends that are World Skeet Champions. Phil Murray and Charlie Martin. I have another, Paul Newman, who finished runner up at the World. I’ve shot with all of them.
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
Wow, congrats on learning something about how foods affect your body. I got off grains a couple of years ago and noticed that I stopped having migraine headaches. I guess I "got tired of winning" and slowly allowed them to creep back in and started having the headaches again. I had a fishing trip with friends planned last December that I had to cancel because of a monster migraine. I was puking my guts out. Got back on the wagon and have not had a single headache since.
I would like to congratulate you on your long list of shooting accomplishments. You are obviously a world class shooter. and from the pic's you have posted it looks like your cooking is first class also. I will give credit where credit is due. I'm sure you spent many years training in both areas to achieve the skill level you are at.
someone would be lucky to have you as a coach in either area. You could speak from experience having been there and done that successfully.
That being said, the same holds true on the discussion about Health, weight loss and longevity via a low carb diet and Intermittent Fasting. Many people here have years of experience in this area and been very successful. Its hard to tell someone something if you have not walked a mile in his shoes.
If I walked up to you on the shooting range and told you, Hey, you need to keep your head down, don't shoot until you see your proper lead and sight picture. And you better follow through or your not gonna break that target. You would probably laugh at me or tell me to go fugg off. Same in the kitchen if I told you how to cook.
Its hard to speak from experience if you haven't been there done that.
Not everyone needs to eat low carb and fast. It's just a tool that works extremely well for people who need to use it. There is no reason to shoot down the proven results that people have posted here. The facts are the facts. no one is telling you to fast. It doesn't have to be what you do is correct and what others do is wrong.
This is 100% spot on. I was long and lean all of my life and in great health and extremely fit untill about a 5 year window in my mid 50's.
I spent years in the gym lifting weights in my 30's. It was great for me. At that time I really didn't understand nutrition. I was strong and pretty muscular, but not ripped. Like many here I just figured that burning more calories than you took on was the ultimate diet, and in truth, it probably is. But you can manipulate science and your body if you have the willpower to do so. Ketosis is the ultimate fat burner. Nothing else comes close. You just have to have extreme willpower to control it. I have that. I stripped 70 lbs of lard off my ass about 6 years ago. I can tell when I'm in Ketosis by my digestion. I keep my weight between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and adjust my diet accordingly. I'm adamant about this. I'm willing to bet that most everyone on this page could lose a few pounds, if not dozens more . I'm not shaming you. I never, ever post on this topic in an effort to shame anyone. Just the opposite. I wish everyone could experience the incredible transformation that I have. I went from miserable, depressed, unhappy and hating myself to confident, feeling good and proud of myself. There's only a few things in my life that I know as an absolute. Shifting to a low carb lifestyle for health and happiness is at the top of the list.
Photos don't lie.
I was fat miserable and depressed.
Ketosis and a low carb lifestyle saved my life. I won't force it on anyone, I only know what it did for me.
I would like to congratulate you on your long list of shooting accomplishments. You are obviously a world class shooter. and from the pic's you have posted it looks like your cooking is first class also. I will give credit where credit is due. I'm sure you spent many years training in both areas to achieve the skill level you are at.
someone would be lucky to have you as a coach in either area. You could speak from experience having been there and done that successfully.
That being said, the same holds true on the discussion about Health, weight loss and longevity via a low carb diet and Intermittent Fasting. Many people here have years of experience in this area and been very successful. Its hard to tell someone something if you have not walked a mile in his shoes.
If I walked up to you on the shooting range and told you, Hey, you need to keep your head down, don't shoot until you see your proper lead and sight picture. And you better follow through or your not gonna break that target. You would probably laugh at me or tell me to go fugg off. Same in the kitchen if I told you how to cook.
Its hard to speak from experience if you haven't been there done that.
Not everyone needs to eat low carb and fast. It's just a tool that works extremely well for people who need to use it. There is no reason to shoot down the proven results that people have posted here. The facts are the facts. no one is telling you to fast. It doesn't have to be what you do is correct and what others do is wrong.
This is 100% spot on. I was long and lean all of my life and in great health and extremely fit untill about a 5 year window in my mid 50's.
I spent years in the gym lifting weights in my 30's. It was great for me. At that time I really didn't understand nutrition. I was strong and pretty muscular, but not ripped. Like many here I just figured that burning more calories than you took on was the ultimate diet, and in truth, it probably is. But you can manipulate science and your body if you have the willpower to do so. Ketosis is the ultimate fat burner. Nothing else comes close. You just have to have extreme willpower to control it. I have that. I stripped 70 lbs of lard off my ass about 6 years ago. I can tell when I'm in Ketosis by my digestion. I keep my weight between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and adjust my diet accordingly. I'm adamant about this. I'm willing to bet that most everyone on this page could lose a few pounds, if not dozens more . I'm not shaming you. I never, ever post on this topic in an effort to shame anyone. Just the opposite. I wish everyone could experience the incredible transformation that I have. I went from miserable, depressed, unhappy and hating myself to confident, feeling good and proud of myself. There's only a few things in my life that I know as an absolute. Shifting to a low carb lifestyle for health and happiness is at the top of the list.
Photos don't lie.
I was fat miserable and depressed.
Ketosis and a low carb lifestyle saved my life. I won't force it on anyone, I only know what it did for me.
Well I must admit that American Skeet my not be as difficult as some other moving target sports. The last clay target I shot was in 1980. That was well over 40 years ago. When I was shooting, sporting clays wasn't even a thing yet. So I'm an old has been. But most of my shooting was international (Olympic) Skeet. Much more difficult than American skeet. I have a long list of wins, Gold, silver, and bronze medals at state, zone, reginal, and world levels also. At one time my shooting average was in the top 10 in the world. I was a member of the United States Army Marksmanship Unit shooting team From 1977-1980. I was there with Lones Wigger. google the name. I shot with Matt Dryke for years. you can google that one too. after I left the team in 1980 he went on to win Olympic Gold in 84 in International skeet. I have shot international competition All over the Country, in Canada, Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain. I was also a certified Sniper instructor at Ft. Benning Ga. I have put thousands of rounds down range on Uncle Sam's dime.
That being said My shooting credentials give me no knowledge or experience with fasting and dieting.
I had to start from scratch there. I did my research and spend 3 years+ experimenting on what works and what does not. I respect your opinion. I would ask that you respect others as well.
A pic of me (4th from the left) standing next to Matt Dryke while training for the 1980 Olympics.
"I also shot with Paul Laporte, he shot in the 1976 Olympics, and he was a close family friend, he would kick your ass as well. I have hunted ducks and shot skeet with him many times. This is funny, he owned a famous restaurant that Gordon Ramsay bought from him. So not only was he a better shot than you, his restaurant was most likely way better than yours lol"
I knew, and also shot with Paul Laporte many times. He would come to Florida and shoot in the winter months at my home range back in the 70's, He could damn well shoot. He was like a machine. His wife could shoot too. I was on the skeet field with him when I shot my first 100 straight with a 410. It was a very long time ago. I was a teenager at the time. He took my hat off and threw it in the air on station 8 and everyone shot it. Its a small world.
Sure is hey?
100 straight with a 410 is a great accomplishment!
I was the designated loader in my childhood and loaded more rounds of 410 and other gauges than I care to remember, thousands and thousands of rounds of them in my father's gun room. I was bathed in lead, which is probably why I had poor grades in school lol
My father and Paul were very good friends and met at the Montreal Skeet Club. His restaurant was called Rotisserie Laurier, a Landmark BBQ chicken restaurant in Montreal. It was a large restaurant and he decorated it with all of his shooting pins, badges, and trophies. I do not believe that was his wife, I think you are talking about his GF, if I recall she was a Dr. and Plastic Surgeon. His wife was wheelchair-bound after they were hit by a train coming home from a party at the gun club.
I was quite the player in my youth and would bring a new gal to his restaurant once a month, he would get a kick out of that. He would pay for my father's diners when we went and would say when my father asked for the bill. "I am King here, I pay. lol I owned an advertising company back in them days and ran an advertising campaign in Montreal called "Montreal At It's Best, and named his restaurant the best BBQ Chicken in Montreal. He was a real gentleman, I believe he is still alive at 95 years old.
Cool story about the hat, did you keep it as a souvenir?
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
Congratulations on giving it a try, are you drinking Electrolytes? I haven't had a bad breath issue, could be the tea you are drinking. When is the last time you have done a colon cleanse?
Intermittent Fasting is great for eliminating inflammation!
Well I must admit that American Skeet my not be as difficult as some other moving target sports. The last clay target I shot was in 1980. That was well over 40 years ago. When I was shooting, sporting clays wasn't even a thing yet. So I'm an old has been. But most of my shooting was international (Olympic) Skeet. Much more difficult than American skeet. I have a long list of wins, Gold, silver, and bronze medals at state, zone, reginal, and world levels also. At one time my shooting average was in the top 10 in the world. I was a member of the United States Army Marksmanship Unit shooting team From 1977-1980. I was there with Lones Wigger. google the name. I shot with Matt Dryke for years. you can google that one too. after I left the team in 1980 he went on to win Olympic Gold in 84 in International skeet. I have shot international competition All over the Country, in Canada, Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain. I was also a certified Sniper instructor at Ft. Benning Ga. I have put thousands of rounds down range on Uncle Sam's dime.
That being said My shooting credentials give me no knowledge or experience with fasting and dieting.
I had to start from scratch there. I did my research and spend 3 years+ experimenting on what works and what does not. I respect your opinion. I would ask that you respect others as well.
A pic of me (4th from the left) standing next to Matt Dryke while training for the 1980 Olympics.
Just read this.
Fantastic jc189, that is phenomenal!
Like you the last Clay Pigeon (that's what we call them) I shot at was at the Montreal Skeet Club in 1984 on their Sporting Clay range, which my father was instrumental in setting up. I shot a near-perfect score and only missed 1 target, a GD RABBIT!!!!! At that time if I didn't miss the rabbit, I would have been the only person that had a Perfect score on the Sporting Clay range. I remember being quite pissed off lol
Thank you for confirming what I was saying, people here like to call me a liar. To my point to Rick about not having to be an athlete to be a great shooter. Laporte's body type is not exactly what I would call an athlete lol
Anyhow it would be a lot of fun shooting with you sir!
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
Takes a little while for the Human body to adapt... back.
Stored Fat - is the nutritional conex box of the body, for storing vitamins and minerals as well as fat.
Problem is, the high-starch/sugar diet produces a lot of crap and toxins as well, and they also get stored with the fat, turning it into a dumpster.
And when accessed during ketosis or fasting, stored fat includes the crap you stored with it.
Generally called the "keto flu."
Takes up to two weeks, depending on what shape the body was in to begin with.
Sounds like some anti-inflammatory metabolic benefits.
Look into chelated minerals, along with potassium salt and magnesium, which support hydration, including lung function.
For a body that's generally fit - 60 days is a reasonable conversion window.
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
Takes a little while for the Human body to adapt... back.
Stored Fat - is the nutritional conex box of the body, for storing vitamins and minerals as well as fat.
Problem is, the high-starch/sugar diet produces a lot of crap and toxins as well, and they also get stored with the fat, turning it into a dumpster.
And when accessed during ketosis or fasting, stored fat includes the crap you stored with it.
Generally called the "keto flu."
Takes up to two weeks, depending on what shape the body was in to begin with.
Sounds like some anti-inflammatory metabolic benefits.
Look into chelated minerals, along with potassium salt and magnesium, which support hydration, including lung function.
For a body that's generally fit - 60 days is a reasonable conversion window.
For a mess - 90 days is probably the minimum.
It works if you work it.
GR
Keto flu was one of the worst I have ever felt for about a day or so the first time I went through it. It was like decades worth of toxins were released all at once. I do get a semi metallic taste in my mouth, but not the bad breath that I have noticed. I guess it is because I brush my teeth quite a bit for both oral health and it oddly helps me curb some sweet cravings I will have at times. We all find our little tricks.
I monitor my ketosis on a daily basis. The blow meter makes it very easy and economical. Sometimes the feeling in my eyeballs will be a decent indicator for me. The feel like they are being sucked back into my head a little if I am in moderate or large. At least that is what I think it feels like. Odd, I know.
Been 24 hours so far, my breath stinks, my body smells...no hunger pangs or lethargy, not even feeling like I need or want to eat. Just drinking green tea and water.
Tomorrow morning my wife will cook some bacon and eggs, then a main meal tomorrow night, as usual.
Apart from the smell I don't see any difference.
One thing I have noticed in the past three weeks...I have stopped eating wheat products and am not getting that bloated feeling in the guts, and my joints aren't aching as much.
Actually, thinking about it...I haven't been getting sore in the shoulders when doing pushups either.
Takes a little while for the Human body to adapt... back.
Stored Fat - is the nutritional conex box of the body, for storing vitamins and minerals as well as fat.
Problem is, the high-starch/sugar diet produces a lot of crap and toxins as well, and they also get stored with the fat, turning it into a dumpster.
And when accessed during ketosis or fasting, stored fat includes the crap you stored with it.
Generally called the "keto flu."
Takes up to two weeks, depending on what shape the body was in to begin with.
Sounds like some anti-inflammatory metabolic benefits.
Look into chelated minerals, along with potassium salt and magnesium, which support hydration, including lung function.
For a body that's generally fit - 60 days is a reasonable conversion window.
For a mess - 90 days is probably the minimum.
It works if you work it.
GR
Keto flu was one of the worst I have ever felt for about a day or so the first time I went through it. It was like decades worth of toxins were released all at once. I do get a semi metallic taste in my mouth, but not the bad breath that I have noticed. I guess it is because I brush my teeth quite a bit for both oral health and it oddly helps me curb some sweet cravings I will have at times. We all find our little tricks.
I monitor my ketosis on a daily basis. The blow meter makes it very easy and economical. Sometimes the feeling in my eyeballs will be a decent indicator for me. The feel like they are being sucked back into my head a little if I am in moderate or large. At least that is what I think it feels like. Odd, I know.
Would you let me now which blow meter you are using?
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
I am a bit curious about this too. I have no plans to go full on Keto but do feel the benefits when I consciously limit carbs. It just always goes down the drain when hunting, simply due to convenience. Luckily I also burn a lot more calories when out and about, so I guess that helps offset it.
When I suddenly switch to ‘normal’ carb levels I don’t generally feel bad or sluggish unless I go absolutely overboard (like, low carb to a case of beer a day), so that is good. I’d for sure be interested in any kind of low carb dehydrated meal. Carbs unfortunately keep well and are able to be beat around more in a backpack, etc. with some exceptions.
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
As you are aware, hunting in most cases, requires a lot of energy.
On a 10-day hunt, I would not be fasting. I have only done 10-day hunts on Horseback which have been guided elk hunts in the Rockies with spike camp, I eat whatever is served and with the rates these days, it better be Filet Mignon lol.
As an experiment I just finished 32 hours and to be honest I don't feel any different. I drank green tea and water only, my breath stank and my body smelt (despite two showers)...probably from the tea. Around the 24 hour mark my skin got all greasy, and apart from not feeling hungry there wasn't really anything interesting about it.
I shall do the same for the next three Saturdays, but only because it amuses me.
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
As you are aware, hunting in most cases, requires a lot of energy.
On a 10-day hunt, I would not be fasting. I have only done 10-day hunts on Horseback which have been guided elk hunts in the Rockies with spike camp, I eat whatever is served and with the rates these days, it better be Filet Mignon lol.
Thanks. I didn't ask about fasting. Interested in whether anyone eats a keto diet on a backpack hunt. Considering the energy burned does it make sense to be off the wagon and eat carbs and does the body need to adjust?
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
Water, Minerals, and a little Protein and Fat.
Your body will provide the rest.
Simple as that.
Think of all the things hikers spend tons of $money on... to save a coupls oz.'s of weight.
And then look at the 20 lbs. of sprung weight not carried - because of a healthy Human diet.
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
Water, Minerals, and a little Protein and Fat.
Your body will provide the rest.
Simple as that.
Think of all the things hikers spend tons of $money on... to save a coupls oz.'s of weight.
And then look at the 20 lbs. of sprung weight not carried - because of a healthy Human diet.
As an experiment I just finished 32 hours and to be honest I don't feel any different. I drank green tea and water only, my breath stank and my body smelt (despite two showers)...probably from the tea. Around the 24 hour mark my skin got all greasy, and apart from not feeling hungry there wasn't really anything interesting about it.
I shall do the same for the next three Saturdays, but only because it amuses me.
Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.
1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet. 2. Clean up your system with keto. 3. Improve your health with fasting.
Well I must admit that American Skeet my not be as difficult as some other moving target sports. The last clay target I shot was in 1980. That was well over 40 years ago. When I was shooting, sporting clays wasn't even a thing yet. So I'm an old has been. But most of my shooting was international (Olympic) Skeet. Much more difficult than American skeet. I have a long list of wins, Gold, silver, and bronze medals at state, zone, reginal, and world levels also. At one time my shooting average was in the top 10 in the world. I was a member of the United States Army Marksmanship Unit shooting team From 1977-1980. I was there with Lones Wigger. google the name. I shot with Matt Dryke for years. you can google that one too. after I left the team in 1980 he went on to win Olympic Gold in 84 in International skeet. I have shot international competition All over the Country, in Canada, Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain. I was also a certified Sniper instructor at Ft. Benning Ga. I have put thousands of rounds down range on Uncle Sam's dime.
That being said My shooting credentials give me no knowledge or experience with fasting and dieting.
I had to start from scratch there. I did my research and spend 3 years+ experimenting on what works and what does not. I respect your opinion. I would ask that you respect others as well.
A pic of me (4th from the left) standing next to Matt Dryke while training for the 1980 Olympics.
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
Water, Minerals, and a little Protein and Fat.
Your body will provide the rest.
Simple as that.
Think of all the things hikers spend tons of $money on... to save a coupls oz.'s of weight.
And then look at the 20 lbs. of sprung weight not carried - because of a healthy Human diet.
Takes a little while for the Human body to adapt... back.
Stored Fat - is the nutritional conex box of the body, for storing vitamins and minerals as well as fat.
Problem is, the high-starch/sugar diet produces a lot of crap and toxins as well, and they also get stored with the fat, turning it into a dumpster.
And when accessed during ketosis or fasting, stored fat includes the crap you stored with it.
Generally called the "keto flu."
Takes up to two weeks, depending on what shape the body was in to begin with.
Sounds like some anti-inflammatory metabolic benefits.
Look into chelated minerals, along with potassium salt and magnesium, which support hydration, including lung function.
For a body that's generally fit - 60 days is a reasonable conversion window.
For a mess - 90 days is probably the minimum.
It works if you work it.
GR
Keto flu was one of the worst I have ever felt for about a day or so the first time I went through it. It was like decades worth of toxins were released all at once. I do get a semi metallic taste in my mouth, but not the bad breath that I have noticed. I guess it is because I brush my teeth quite a bit for both oral health and it oddly helps me curb some sweet cravings I will have at times. We all find our little tricks.
I monitor my ketosis on a daily basis. The blow meter makes it very easy and economical. Sometimes the feeling in my eyeballs will be a decent indicator for me. The feel like they are being sucked back into my head a little if I am in moderate or large. At least that is what I think it feels like. Odd, I know.
If one can accurately assess daily consumption of < 20 g. Net Carbs, and is active?
Question for the keto gurus. What do you eat on a 10 day back country backpack hunt? Suppose you're hunting 8-10 days or so. Most mountain house and granola bars have a fair bit of carbs. Will eating that for 10 days mess up the ketosis metabolism thing or can you get right back after the hunt. Do you do okay switching to carbs for energy on a hunt? I can't see carrying enough meat and veggies for a 10 day hunt. Maybe there's opportunity for a business. Keto mountain house?
Water, Minerals, and a little Protein and Fat.
Your body will provide the rest.
Simple as that.
Think of all the things hikers spend tons of $money on... to save a coupls oz.'s of weight.
And then look at the 20 lbs. of sprung weight not carried - because of a healthy Human diet.
Thank you kindly Longbob, do you like and trust it?
You are welcome. I have compared it against the pee sticks and they seem to coincide very well. My target is medium on the stick which I seem to range between small and medium most of the time. The blow meter would be 5 to 15 on the readout that I think best matches where I stay comfortably.
The improvements that I notice in the mirror, blood test results, and how I feel confirm those readings from both methods. I do like the blow meter more than the sticks. The sticks seem to stick together and I have to futz with them and isn't as precise in my opinion plus they get expensive.
Thank you kindly Longbob, do you like and trust it?
You are welcome. I have compared it against the pee sticks and they seem to coincide very well. My target is medium on the stick which I seem to range between small and medium most of the time. The blow meter would be 5 to 15 on the readout that I think best matches where I stay comfortably.
The improvements that I notice in the mirror, blood test results, and how I feel confirm those readings from both methods. I do like the blow meter more than the sticks. The sticks seem to stick together and I have to futz with them and isn't as precise in my opinion plus they get expensive.
For building muscle, testosterone is important. Fat intake is essential for healthy T levels since cholesterol, found primarily in animal products, serves as a precursor for testosterone production, among other things.
But fat isn't the only nutrient you need to maintain healthy testosterone levels. Carbs, specifically post-workout, have been shown to restore muscle glycogen, reduce cortisol levels, and improve testosterone levels.
Going deeper, you need to understand the role of glucose. Glucose from carbohydrates plays an important role in GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) levels. Its secretion leads to other vital hormonal functions in the body. GnRH leads to the release of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) – both of which are precursors to testosterone production.
So without enough carbs, these processes won't run like they should and you'll miss out on testosterone and forfeit muscle growth.
So what do studies show about testosterone when you jump on the ketogenic bandwagon? One, published in the European Journal of Applied Physiology, tested the differences between a low-carb diet (30 percent carbs) and a high carb diet (60 percent carbs) on T levels. The low-carb diet actually had a much higher percentage of carbs than what keto will allow, so it wasn't a true ketogenic diet.
The men were tested after four days on this protocol. The researchers found that the men on the higher carb diet had a greater release of testosterone-producing hormones.
Also, those on the low-carb diet had greater levels of cortisol – your body's stress hormone (4). How much higher would it have been if the men were on a true ketogenic diet with a much lower percentage of their intake coming from carbs?
Chronically high cortisol is a pure testosterone-killer. If your cortisol levels are elevated too high for too long, your testosterone will drop like a sack of soggy potatoes. And when your T levels drop, your body isn't in the optimal environment for building muscle.
Not only that, but when cortisol levels are elevated for too long, your body begins to store fat. So in this way, not only does the ketogenic diet prevent you from putting on as much muscle mass as you could, but it may also cause you to store more fat than you would on a standard moderate-high carb diet.
The most important part of building muscle is what you do after you train. When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.
That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).
Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.
Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."
Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.”
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
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Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
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The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
The most important part of building muscle is what you do after you train. When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.
That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).
Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.
Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."
Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.”
The Sugar diet - has one advantage over Keto+Fasting:
Performance Athletics.
Shovel in enough sugar, and one becomes a "Top Fuel Dragster."
More power, faster down the strip, runs out of gas, needs to be rebuilt for the next event, and eventually breaks down and gets replaced.
Useless - except for making Other People Money.
A "Ford GT," on the other hand?
Maybe 1/4 second slower in the 1/4 mile, but 65 mph faster, will run flat out for a coupla hundred miles without refueling, and 100's of Thousands of miles without mechanical issues - a Lifetime.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
And the Human body has been happily making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
It’s a diet rich in quality, complex carbohydrates
You don’t want to perform at a high level athletically?
It’s all about “skinny fat”?
LMFAO
Rick...
Carbohydrates - are Folded, Bonded Sugar.
They generally require cooking to start the decomposition process - which classifies them as non-Human food, because Humans, and our non-ape ancestors, lived without cooking fire for well over Eight-Million years.
And when the body does eventually break down the starch into it's constituent parts - Sugar - it dumps All of it into the system at once.
This causes blood-suger spikes, as well as Fat accumulation.
“ The men were tested after four days on this protocol. The researchers found that the men on the higher carb diet had a greater release of testosterone-producing hormones.”
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
And the Human body has been happily making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...
“ The men were tested after four days on this protocol. The researchers found that the men on the higher carb diet had a greater release of testosterone-producing hormones.”
Rick...
When your dick quits workin'... long, maybe decades, before you expect?
It's from Arteriosclerosis - a metabolic disease caused by... Sugar.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
With all due respect, and I do respect you Rick, you have no clue about Intermittent Fasting, so cut and paste all you want.
I am a living example and proof of the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, as others that have posted in this thread are as well, you are not since you never have practiced IF.
Again consider yourself fortunate! I wish I had a normal metabolism like you, but I do not, so I have taken educated steps to keep my weight under control, and I "WOOK MARVALOUS", 100+ women can't be wrong lol
Call me as you put it last night a Moron and tell me again like you did last night “Fuqk off moron” or say I can’t shoot, what a laugh, you are just making yourself look more ignorant than you are about IF.
I am an excellent shot with all weapons with the exception of handguns since in Canada our government has made owning and shooting a handgun beyond difficult, otherwise I would be an expert with them as well.
What surprises me is that you are not dumb either. So you must be working for the diet industry because they have the most to lose if people start understanding Intermittent Fasting and how to burn off all the fat without paying them hundreds of dollars to eat their chitty food 3 times a day plus snacks.
Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, GOLO, and alike are all
So it seems that there is definitely two sides to this coin. If you want to look like Arnold, Load up with carbs, work your ass off in the gym almost every day and get pumped. Nothing wrong with that. I used to do it myself. I would even drink carbo force immediately after working out. Of course it was sold at the gym. you old timers remember that stuff.
But if you are looking to lose some weight, get healthy, and run all day on cruise control with out getting hungry. Well you might want to try cutting out the carbs. Eat proteins,(steak, chicken, fish, eggs, etc.) salads and green leafy vegetables. throw in some Intermittent Fasting. You will feel better. Have more energy throughout the day. and if you do it right and don't snack/cheat, you will think more clearly and maybe even get off some medication that you will no longer need. And yes it does help to be in ketosis to make it work fast and get the full benefit. everybody has different goals. some might want to get on stage and even compete. And some are just looking to get slim. fit and healthy for the long haul. to each his own.
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
That's the cost of eating keto... hours of blood, sweat, and tears in the gym. Doesn't sound worth it to me.
References
Vargas S et al. Efficacy Of Ketogenic Diet On Body Composition During Resistance Training In Trained Men. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2018 Jul 9;15(1):31.
Wroble KA et al. Low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet impairs anaerobic exercise performance in exercise-trained women and men: A randomized-sequence crossover trial. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2019 Apr;59(4):600-607
Phillips SM et al. Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation. J Sports Sci. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S29-38.
Lane AR et al. Influence of dietary carbohydrate intake on the free testosterone: Cortisol ratio responses to short-term intensive exercise training. Eur J Appl Physiol . 2010 Apr;108(6):1125-31.
Kanter M. High-Quality Carbohydrates and Physical Performance. Nutr Today. 2018 Jan;53(1):35–39.
The Protein-Sparing Action Of Carbohydrates. JAMA. 1916;LXVII(17):1233.
With all due respect, and I do respect you Rick, you have no clue about Intermittent Fasting, so cut and paste all you want.
I am a living example and proof of the benefits of Intermittent Fasting, as others that have posted in this thread are as well, you are not since you never have practiced IF.
Again consider yourself fortunate! I wish I had a normal metabolism like you, but I do not, so I have taken educated steps to keep my weight under control, and I "WOOK FABALOUS", 100+ women can't be wrong lol
Call me as you put it last night a Moron and tell me again like you did last night “Fuqk off moron” or say I can’t shoot, what a laugh, you are just making yourself look more ignorant than you are about IF.
I am an excellent shot with all weapons with the exception of handguns since in Canada our government has made owning and shooting a handgun beyond difficult, otherwise I would be an expert with them as well.
What surprises me is that you are not dumb either. So you must be working for the diet industry because they have the most to lose if people start understanding Intermittent Fasting and how to burn off all the fat without paying them hundreds of dollars to eat their chitty food 3 times a day plus snacks.
Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, GOLO, and alike are all
Yeah, the facts are pretty clear at this point.
The Human body has been happily making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...
"Plenty of pro-keto literature out there. Post some"
There are 69 pages in this thread full of studies, data from test done at some of the most recognized medical institutions, personal testimonials, instructional videos, etc. anything at this point would probably just be redundant. just some good ol boys having a discussion in true Campfire fashion. Aint it fun.
I eat all of the carbohydrates and protein (low fat sources) I want and restrict fat.
The HUMAN BODY only needs the equivalent of 1 tablespoon of dietary fat to obtain the required fat soluble vitamins, A D E and K. The rest is excess calories at 9 per gram that will more likely be stored as body fat
"Plenty of pro-keto literature out there. Post some"
There are 69 pages in this thread full of studies, data from test done at some of the most recognized medical institutions, personal testimonials, instructional videos, etc. anything at this point would probably just be redundant. just some good ol boys having a discussion in true Campfire fashion. Aint it fun.
Yep. YouTube videos are a staple to guiding your important life choices
“ Choosing a weight-loss program can be confusing. Some programs recommend restricting fat, while others recommend cutting carbohydrates. It can be difficult to separate fad from fact, and to determine what’s safe and effective.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
So it seems that there is definitely two sides to this coin. If you want to look like Arnold, Load up with carbs, work your ass off in the gym almost every day and get pumped. Nothing wrong with that. I used to do it myself. I would even drink carbo force immediately after working out. Of course it was sold at the gym. you old timers remember that stuff.
But if you are looking to lose some weight, get healthy, and run all day on cruise control with out getting hungry. Well you might want to try cutting out the carbs. Eat proteins,(steak, chicken, fish, eggs, etc.) salads and green leafy vegetables. throw in some Intermittent Fasting. You will feel better. Have more energy throughout the day. and if you do it right and don't snack/cheat, you will think more clearly and maybe even get off some medication that you will no longer need. And yes it does help to be in ketosis to make it work fast and get the full benefit. everybody has different goals. some might want to get on stage and even compete. And some are just looking to get slim. fit and healthy for the long haul. to each his own.
I am surprised Rick isn't calling you a moron too!
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
I eat all of the carbohydrates and protein (low fat sources) I want and restrict fat.
The HUMAN BODY only needs the equivalent of 1 tablespoon of dietary fat to obtain the required fat soluble vitamins, A D E and K. The rest is excess calories at 9 per gram that will more likely be stored as body fat
Get a clue
That's like falling off a building, Rick.
How old are you?
That will determine which floor you are passing, enjoying the ride down.
Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.”
I eat all of the carbohydrates and protein (low fat sources) I want and restrict fat.
The HUMAN BODY only needs the equivalent of 1 tablespoon of dietary fat to obtain the required fat soluble vitamins, A D E and K. The rest is excess calories at 9 per gram that will more likely be stored as body fat
Get a clue
That's like falling off a building, Rick.
How old are you?
That will determine which floor you are passing, enjoying the ride down.
GR
You’ve been completely discredited with the above posted information
"Plenty of pro-keto literature out there. Post some"
There are 69 pages in this thread full of studies, data from test done at some of the most recognized medical institutions, personal testimonials, instructional videos, etc. anything at this point would probably just be redundant. just some good ol boys having a discussion in true Campfire fashion. Aint it fun.
Yep. YouTube videos are a staple to guiding your important life choices
LMFAO
This one...?
... is likely the most important one you will watch, the rest of your life.
I eat all of the carbohydrates and protein (low fat sources) I want and restrict fat.
The HUMAN BODY only needs the equivalent of 1 tablespoon of dietary fat to obtain the required fat soluble vitamins, A D E and K. The rest is excess calories at 9 per gram that will more likely be stored as body fat
Get a clue
That's like falling off a building, Rick.
How old are you?
That will determine which floor you are passing, enjoying the ride down.
GR
You’ve been completely discredited with the above posted information
Crappy Hampster
😂😂🤣
Your opinion, sans facts, doesn't really account for much, does it, Rick?
You should man-up and try a challenge.
... that Arteriosclerosis of yours - is not reversible, so ya know.
Being in reasonable shape, shouldn't take more that ~ Two months to get you fixed up.
You'd lose ~ Twenty pounds, and maybe a small fraction of your forest mule strength.
In exchange for corded, all day useful muscles and the mitigation and prevention of metabolic diseases.
Then choose, because then you would actually know something.
Consider it.
Could run your particulars through the algorithm and have a basic system for you in a coupla hours.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
Starvation - and it's associate withdrawals - is a consequence of disrupting the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
keto+fasting avoids that, along with all the metabolic disease damage.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
This is the graph from the Kevin Hall study at NIH. You can clearly see what happens after the first day of fasting the carbohydrate and fat line intersect. they do not remain consistent in a straight line. As time passes the rate of fat burn goes way up and stays up once the carbs are burned off. if you keep eating carbs this transition never takes place and you don't get the accelerated fat burn.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
Again, Starvation - and it's associate withdrawals - is a consequence of disrupting the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
keto+fasting avoids that, along with all the metabolic disease damage.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
And the Human body has been happily avoiding Starvation... by making Glucose out of proteins, in the Liver, for quite a while...
Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.
1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet. 2. Clean up your system with keto. 3. Improve your health with fasting.
Who inverted Critical Path Management?
Genghis Khan.
1. Rape. 2. Pillage. 3. Burn.
GR
Actually you arrogant arse, I rarely have sugar or salt, eat two slices of gluten free bread each day and a main meal of (generally) steak and veg without gravy each evening. I do change this out when I feel like it with bacon and eggs at breakfast.
About once a month or so I have potato bake with steak...because I can do as I bloody well like.
I also work physically...I don't sit on my arse shuffling paper or ponce about admiring myself in a gym mirror.
As for losing weight, I simply eat steak for meals and snack on cherry tomatoes...the weight falls off.
Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.
1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet. 2. Clean up your system with keto. 3. Improve your health with fasting.
Who inverted Critical Path Management?
Genghis Khan.
1. Rape. 2. Pillage. 3. Burn.
GR
Actually you arrogant arse, I rarely have sugar or salt, eat two slices of gluten free bread each day and a main meal of (generally) steak and veg without gravy each evening. I do change this out when I feel like it with bacon and eggs at breakfast.
About once a month or so I have potato bake with steak...because I can do as I bloody well like.
I also work physically...I don't sit on my arse shuffling paper or ponce about admiring myself in a gym mirror.
As for losing weight, I simply eat steak for meals and snack on cherry tomatoes...the weight falls off.
Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.
1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet. 2. Clean up your system with keto. 3. Improve your health with fasting.
Who inverted Critical Path Management?
Genghis Khan.
1. Rape. 2. Pillage. 3. Burn.
GR
Actually you arrogant arse, I rarely have sugar or salt, eat two slices of gluten free bread each day and a main meal of (generally) steak and veg without gravy each evening. I do change this out when I feel like it with bacon and eggs at breakfast.
About once a month or so I have potato bake with steak...because I can do as I bloody well like.
I also work physically...I don't sit on my arse shuffling paper or ponce about admiring myself in a gym mirror.
As for losing weight, I simply eat steak for meals and snack on cherry tomatoes...the weight falls off.
But you keep on poncing about pretending.
No gravy?
Nah, discovered that gluten doesn't agree with me...which is odd as it wasn't a problem when I was younger. Getting old I suppose.
Fasting without keto, is kinda like washing your truck in a dust storm.
1. Stop the High-Starch/low-fat/Processed Sugar diet. 2. Clean up your system with keto. 3. Improve your health with fasting.
Who inverted Critical Path Management?
Genghis Khan.
1. Rape. 2. Pillage. 3. Burn.
GR
Actually you arrogant arse, I rarely have sugar or salt, eat two slices of gluten free bread each day and a main meal of (generally) steak and veg without gravy each evening. I do change this out when I feel like it with bacon and eggs at breakfast.
About once a month or so I have potato bake with steak...because I can do as I bloody well like.
I also work physically...I don't sit on my arse shuffling paper or ponce about admiring myself in a gym mirror.
As for losing weight, I simply eat steak for meals and snack on cherry tomatoes...the weight falls off.
But you keep on poncing about pretending.
No gravy?
Nah, discovered that gluten doesn't agree with me...which is odd as it wasn't a problem when I was younger. Getting old I suppose.
I shall leave it with Mrs Stuart as there is no way in hell I am stupid enough to intrude upon her kitchen.
I just purchased a Baccarat Mandoline for her a couple of minutes ago and there is already rebellion and dissention in the ranks...so my daughter and I are hiding in the office...we want dinner!
I shall leave it with Mrs Stuart as there is no way in hell I am stupid enough to intrude upon her kitchen.
I just purchased a Baccarat Mandoline for her a couple of minutes ago and there is already rebellion and dissention in the ranks...so my daughter and I are hiding in the office...we want dinner!
rcamuglia, We are both posting information from a study done by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. Just to clear things up, watch a real Dr. who is an expert in this field explain the Kevin Hall study. Don't take my word for it. If anyone is still following this thread so far, you may really be interested in some real facts.
Watch this video from 15 minutes 30 seconds to 19 minutes in the video. If you are still here its worth 3 minutes of your time. If you really want to learn something watch the entire video. Its much easier to have this explained by a real Doctor that runs a clinic and treats real patients than it is to listen to guys go back and forth here. I don't think any of us have gone to Med school.
rcamuglia, We are both posting information from a study done by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. Just to clear things up, watch a real Dr. who is an expert in this field explain the Kevin Hall study. Don't take my word for it. If anyone is still following this thread so far, you may really be interested in some real facts.
Watch this video from 15 minutes 30 seconds to 19 minutes in the video. If you are still here its worth 3 minutes of your time. If you really want to learn something watch the entire video. Its much easier to have this explained by a real Doctor that runs a clinic and treats real patients than it is to listen to guys go back and forth here. I don't think any of us have gone to Med school.
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet...As far as to being a "lifestyle change", all diets are a life style change for the most part. So you are into semantics that mean little.
Anyway, he emphasizes over and over to lower the foods that produce insulin which prevents fat from being used. While fasting is one way.....there are others that will work also. And many will find fasting to be one of the most difficult.
The cavemen he refers to, didn't fast because they wanted to. They did so because they hadn't killed anything for awhile. When they did, some say they gorged and didn't say...."Nope, I'm going to stop a couple days and let this rot." Fasting was a result of their food opportunity, and not a desired choice. Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet...As far as to being a "lifestyle change", all diets are a life style change for the most part. So you are into semantics that mean little.
Anyway, he emphasizes over and over to lower the foods that produce insulin which prevents fat from being used. While fasting is one way.....there are others that will work also. And many will find fasting to be one of the most difficult.
The cavemen he refers to, didn't fast because they wanted to. The did so because they hadn't killed anything for awhile. When they did, some say they gorged and didn't say...."Nope, I'm going to stop a couple days and let this rot."
It's possible that many will find fasting difficult. It's also possible that many will find simple calorie reduction and increased mobility weight loss impossible.
Most fat people have been trying to lose weight by the eat less exercise more weight loss model for decades. I do not understand the resistance to a different approach that has helped thousands of people. What the hell is wrong with trying something different if what you have been doing isn't working? Why the hell do all thin people think they have all the answers on how to lose weight when they have never done it?
I’ve fasted….. it is much easier to exercise and eat reasonably
As far as BMi…. It is becoming increasingly thought, that outside of the extremes, it is has little validity in being an indicator if good health.
BMI is the crap skinny little indian cunt doctors who pretend they have a clue about Westerners who work for a living espouse.
Little fuck here was stupid enough to stick his hand out to shake after he hit me with a flu shot...I damned well almost broke it for the little ponce. It took some effort but I did manage to keep a straight face, he went close to pissing himself when his hand started collapsing.
Some days are just better!
I am the lump on the right, and I really enjoyed crunching the little fuck.
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
rcamuglia, We are both posting information from a study done by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. Just to clear things up, watch a real Dr. who is an expert in this field explain the Kevin Hall study. Don't take my word for it. If anyone is still following this thread so far, you may really be interested in some real facts.
Watch this video from 15 minutes 30 seconds to 19 minutes in the video. If you are still here its worth 3 minutes of your time. If you really want to learn something watch the entire video. Its much easier to have this explained by a real Doctor that runs a clinic and treats real patients than it is to listen to guys go back and forth here. I don't think any of us have gone to Med school.
That was an interesting listen.
JSTUART, Thanks for taking the time. I wish a few more would before they post.
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
The feeling weak is the inactivity lifestyle that made you fat. If you are constantly active and have to miss some meals, you will get hungry for short periods of minutes while active, but it goes away quickly. Weakness comes if not eating enough and continuing the same amount of activity after a couple days.
That's weakness vs tired... work a hard 10hr day and you will be tired but not weak.
I’ve never allowed myself to get to where I needed to lose significant weight. It’s a lifestyle choice 😉
That's great, but what makes you think you know about losing weight since you have never done it?
Is your best advice just to have a better lifestyle? Don't you think that if an obese person could, that they already would have? Possibly all obese people just don't know they are eating too much and sitting around too much.
I’ve never allowed myself to get to where I needed to lose significant weight. It’s a lifestyle choice 😉
That's great, but what makes you think you know about losing weight since you have never done it?
Is your best advice just to have a better lifestyle? Don't you think that if an obese person could, that they already would have? Possibly all obese people just don't know they are eating too much and sitting around too much.
Judgy much?
As in...you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
The feeling weak is the inactivity lifestyle that made you fat. If you are constantly active and have to miss some meals, you will get hungry for short periods of minutes while active, but it goes away quickly. Weakness comes if not eating enough and continuing the same amount of activity after a couple days.
That's weakness vs tired... work a hard 10hr day and you will be tired but not weak.
Kent
No, the feeling weak came from becoming near diabetic from processed foods and not eating every few hours. I've never had an inactivity lifestyle. I have always worked outside and hard as hell. Many times, I've emptied a 5-gallon water cooler by the day's end. 10 hours my ass, try 16.
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
The feeling weak is the inactivity lifestyle that made you fat. If you are constantly active and have to miss some meals, you will get hungry for short periods of minutes while active, but it goes away quickly. Weakness comes if not eating enough and continuing the same amount of activity after a couple days.
That's weakness vs tired... work a hard 10hr day and you will be tired but not weak.
Kent
No, the feeling weak came from becoming near diabetic from processed foods and not eating every few hours. I've never had an inactivity lifestyle. I have always worked outside and hard as hell. Many times, I've emptied a 5-gallon water cooler by the day's end.
When I was like 42 I had so may contracted jobs I was working every waking moment for a year. At 5' 9" I was down under 130lbs, hit like 127, eating as much as I could, my wife thought I had cancer or something and was dying.
I’ve fasted….. it is much easier to exercise and eat reasonably
As far as BMi…. It is becoming increasingly thought, that outside of the extremes, it is has little validity in being an indicator if good health.
BMI is the crap skinny little indian cunt doctors who pretend they have a clue about Westerners who work for a living espouse.
Little fuck here was stupid enough to stick his hand out to shake after he hit me with a flu shot...I damned well almost broke it for the little ponce. It took some effort but I did manage to keep a straight face, he went close to pissing himself when his hand started collapsing.
Some days are just better!
I am the lump on the right, and I really enjoyed crunching the little fuck.
You look like a beast mate, you would have loved playing football!
The cavemen he refers to, didn't fast because they wanted to. They did so because they hadn't killed anything for awhile. When they did, some say they gorged and didn't say...."Nope, I'm going to stop a couple days and let this rot." Fasting was a result of their food opportunity, and not a desired choice. Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
Interesting timing that you brought this up. Just read this article:
Recent investigations into the dietary habits of prehistoric peoples and their primates and predecessors, suggest that heavy meat eating by modern affluent societies, may be exceeding the biological capabilities of evolution built into the human body. The result may be a host of diet related health problems, such as diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, coronary heart disease, and some cancers.
The studies challenge the notion that human beings evolved as aggressive hunting animals who depended primarily upon meat for survival
Findings in such fields as archaeology and anthropology, primatology and comparative anatomy instead portray early humans more as herbivores than carnivores. According to studies, food intake, for at least the last million and a half years was probably three times more plant than animal foods, the actual reverse of what an average American is currently eating.
The popular portrait of a man as a successful hunter, who ate little else but the kill he brought home, largely arose from discoveries of archaeological sites laden with fossilized bones of large prey.
Within the last 50 years, archaeologist have begun to look and find microscopic evidence of plant foods, such as the presence of pollen grains and plant crystals in fossilized human feces. A very limited amount of animal protein has been discovered in feces as well.
Hunting was a high risk and low yield activity, and for it to have been the primary source of food for humans, the species would have undoubtedly died out since there would have been inadequate supplies of food for women and children, and non-hunting men who remained at the homebase
Also, the digestive track of carnivores is designed for quick processing of food and rapid excretion of waste before they putrefy and poison the animal. The carnivores digestive tract is short, only about three times in length of the torso, smooth and straight. The herbivore has a very long small intestine and long, smooth large intestine designed for processing bulky foods that take a long time to digest.
The human intestinal tract, while not as long as the herbivores is much longer than the carnivores, about 12 times the length of the torso, and the surface area is further increased by puckering. Food takes a long time to be digested and wastes are elimited slowly a design, more suited to a diet in high plant matter than meat.
The carnivore has an acidic saliva, human saliva is alkaline and contains an enzyme, ptyalin, that pre-digest starch from plants.
“ being in a state of nutritional ketosis for the rest of your life isn't optimal.
Why? Our bodies are designed to run primarily on carbohydrates. When we eat both fat and carbs, our bodies don't make ketones out of fat first. We only make ketones when our bodies are extremely deprived of carbs and have no other choice.
But given a choice? Our bodies will run on carbs. So why would the human body be designed to primarily run on carbs if we weren't "meant" to eat them? This should be your first clue: we are designed to eat carbs. In addition, our bodies will only use ketones for fuel when those carbohydrates are severely restricted.”
The cavemen he refers to, didn't fast because they wanted to. They did so because they hadn't killed anything for awhile. When they did, some say they gorged and didn't say...."Nope, I'm going to stop a couple days and let this rot." Fasting was a result of their food opportunity, and not a desired choice. Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
Interesting timing that you brought this up. Just read this article:
Recent investigations into the dietary habits of prehistoric peoples and their primates and predecessors, suggest that heavy meat eating by modern affluent societies, may be exceeding the biological capabilities of evolution built into the human body. The result may be a host of diet related health problems, such as diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, coronary heart disease, and some cancers.
The studies challenge the notion that human beings evolved as aggressive hunting animals who depended primarily upon meat for survival
Findings in such fields as archaeology and anthropology, primatology and comparative anatomy instead portray early humans more as herbivores than carnivores. According to studies, food intake, for at least the last million and a half years was probably three times more plant than animal foods, the actual reverse of what an average American is currently eating.
The popular portrait of a man as a successful hunter, who ate little else but the kill he brought home, largely arose from discoveries of archaeological sites laden with fossilized bones of large prey.
Within the last 50 years, archaeologist have begun to look and find microscopic evidence of plant foods, such as the presence of pollen grains and plant crystals in fossilized human feces. A very limited amount of animal protein has been discovered in feces as well.
Hunting was a high risk and low yield activity, and for it to have been the primary source of food for humans, the species would have undoubtedly died out since there would have been inadequate supplies of food for women and children, and non-hunting men who remained at the homebase
Also, the digestive track of carnivores is designed for quick processing of food and rapid excretion of waste before they putrefy and poison the animal. The carnivores digestive tract is short, only about three times in length of the torso, smooth and straight. The herbivore has a very long small intestine and long, smooth large intestine designed for processing bulky foods that take a long time to digest.
The human intestinal tract, while not as long as the herbivores is much longer than the carnivores, about 12 times the length of the torso, and the surface area is further increased by puckering. Food takes a long time to be digested and wastes are elimited slowly a design, more suited to a diet in high plant matter than meat.
The carnivore has an acidic saliva, human saliva is alkaline and contains an enzyme, ptyalin, that pre-digest starch from plants.
I can tell you that Aboriginals got most of their food from the labours of their women. The men weren't as successful on the hunt as you would think. Pretty sure it was the same for most primitive peoples.
I think there is a lot of truth there. Plus they were not likely to pass up a berry feast when opportunity presented. Especially after not eating for 12-16.
Although one of those African tribes were known for running an animal to exhaustion, in order to kill it.
Also look at the groves from tendons found in their bones. They are huge. They were most likely stronger than we can imagine. Probably wouldn’t have been wise to try and hand crush one of the short fellows. 😂
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
The feeling weak is the inactivity lifestyle that made you fat. If you are constantly active and have to miss some meals, you will get hungry for short periods of minutes while active, but it goes away quickly. Weakness comes if not eating enough and continuing the same amount of activity after a couple days.
That's weakness vs tired... work a hard 10hr day and you will be tired but not weak.
Kent
I guess you missed the Metabolism part of this thread, not everyone is the same!
Have you ever fasted to lose weight or ever done anything else to lose any significant weight?
When I started fasting, I could barely go 3 hours without feeling hungry and weak. I gradually increased time between meals and the hunger and weakness slowly went away. I've been consuming all my calories in a 6–8-hour window for about 3 years. I don't get hungry or weak between meals anymore. I eat all I want when I do eat and I'm never hungry. I can and often have cycled more than 30 miles on a MTB after having fasted more than 24 hours and not ate until that night. No weakness or hunger at all.
It is hard as hell to nearly impossible to fast as long as you are eating high glycemic foods. The blood sugar swings will drive hunger and make you feel weak.
The feeling weak is the inactivity lifestyle that made you fat. If you are constantly active and have to miss some meals, you will get hungry for short periods of minutes while active, but it goes away quickly. Weakness comes if not eating enough and continuing the same amount of activity after a couple days.
That's weakness vs tired... work a hard 10hr day and you will be tired but not weak.
Kent
I guess you missed the Metabolism part of this thread, not everyone is the same!
You mean when I first said it was genetics first... and took chit for saying it?
Digestive processing plays a big role... how many times you chit and how fast food moves through.
Ask my family and they will say I chit like a duck... our favorite mex food is over an hour away, they take bets whether I can make it back before stopping, I average 3 chits a day.
If you chit every couple days you are much more like a herbivore than a carnivore.
rcamuglia, We are both posting information from a study done by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. Just to clear things up, watch a real Dr. who is an expert in this field explain the Kevin Hall study. Don't take my word for it. If anyone is still following this thread so far, you may really be interested in some real facts.
Watch this video from 15 minutes 30 seconds to 19 minutes in the video. If you are still here its worth 3 minutes of your time. If you really want to learn something watch the entire video. Its much easier to have this explained by a real Doctor that runs a clinic and treats real patients than it is to listen to guys go back and forth here. I don't think any of us have gone to Med school.
Another issue from my life's experience is physical work, activity, exercise reduces appetite.
For me I have to fight this on extended hunts especially backpacked in. It's to easy to return to camp after dark, think about making a meal and say F'it, hit the sleeping bag instead. Eventually your energy level will limit your hunting choices.
A smart person will try and stay in balance of activity and diet, it's constantly changing depending on what you are doing at the moment.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
I’ve never allowed myself to get to where I needed to lose significant weight. It’s a lifestyle choice 😉
That's great, but what makes you think you know about losing weight since you have never done it?
Is your best advice just to have a better lifestyle? Don't you think that if an obese person could, that they already would have? Possibly all obese people just don't know they are eating too much and sitting around too much.
Because I’ve never allowed it, doesn’t mean I haven’t fought it. Dwell on that for awhile😉
Most could……but watching them roll out if the store with a cart full of pop, chips and ice cream tells me even though they know, they are hooked. The mirror and camera are incapable of lying. And they eventually sit around because the mind perceives the effort is too great. If the lifestyle changes doesn’t begin with the mind and pride first, then anything else will fail. Or it becomes too late.
Get it done in anyway that works. But if you hadn’t of become disgusted with yourself first, you still would be a lard ass.
Addition: And you won’t save another..because you have a calling of how to eat. As always, you need to change how others think, before you can change what they do.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
Amazingly quick. I buckled down hard and got into Ketosis rapidly with a drastic reduction of carbs for the first 2 months. I lost 70 lbs in about 4 or 5 months. I went from 36" waist pants that were tight and miserable to 34s being very comfortable. My shirt sizes went from XXL to L. I've never felt as good as I have in the last couple years. I eat meats and greens....not much else. Meat, cheese, salads green beans, broccoli etc. I read every label. Once in an extremely rare while I will splurge and have a small taste of what I deprive myself of. But then I'm right back on the program.
I can't stress this strongly enough.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't.
I certainly don't mean to poke fun at anyone that is struggling with weight, I've been there. It affects every aspect of your life.
The gratification of feeling good in your own skin far outweighs the short term satisfaction of eating something that tastes fantastic, but is fueling the problem.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
Amazingly quick. I buckled down hard and got into Ketosis rapidly with a drastic reduction of carbs for the first 2 months. I lost 70 lbs in about 4 or 5 months. I went from 36" waist pants that were tight and miserable to 34s being very comfortable. My shirt sizes went from XXL to L. I've never felt as good as I have in the last couple years. I eat meats and greens....not much else. Meat, cheese, salads green beans, broccoli etc. I read every label. Once in an extremely rare while I will splurge and have a small taste of what I deprive myself of. But then I'm right back on the program.
I can't stress this strongly enough.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't.
I certainly don't mean to poke fun at anyone that is struggling with weight, I've been there. It affects every aspect of your life.
The gratification of feeling good in your own skin far outweighs the short term satisfaction of eating something that tastes fantastic, but is fueling the problem.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
Amazingly quick. I buckled down hard and got into Ketosis rapidly with a drastic reduction of carbs for the first 2 months. I lost 70 lbs in about 4 or 5 months. I went from 36" waist pants that were tight and miserable to 34s being very comfortable. My shirt sizes went from XXL to L. I've never felt as good as I have in the last couple years. I eat meats and greens....not much else. Meat, cheese, salads green beans, broccoli etc. I read every label. Once in an extremely rare while I will splurge and have a small taste of what I deprive myself of. But then I'm right back on the program.
I can't stress this strongly enough.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't.
I certainly don't mean to poke fun at anyone that is struggling with weight, I've been there. It affects every aspect of your life.
The gratification of feeling good in your own skin far outweighs the short term satisfaction of eating something that tastes fantastic, but is fueling the problem.
Outstanding explanation of the difference between Starvation - with it's associate withdrawals, fat accumulation, and depressed metabolism...
... and Ketosis+Fasting - which simply burning fat, does not differentiate between dietary and stored fat, and not only avoids the withdrawals, fat accumulation, and depressed metabolism, but also mitigates the multitude of Metabolic Diseases directly associated with High Starch(Sugar)/Low Fat diets.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
Amazingly quick. I buckled down hard and got into Ketosis rapidly with a drastic reduction of carbs for the first 2 months. I lost 70 lbs in about 4 or 5 months. I went from 36" waist pants that were tight and miserable to 34s being very comfortable. My shirt sizes went from XXL to L. I've never felt as good as I have in the last couple years. I eat meats and greens....not much else. Meat, cheese, salads green beans, broccoli etc. I read every label. Once in an extremely rare while I will splurge and have a small taste of what I deprive myself of. But then I'm right back on the program.
I can't stress this strongly enough.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't.
I certainly don't mean to poke fun at anyone that is struggling with weight, I've been there. It affects every aspect of your life.
The gratification of feeling good in your own skin far outweighs the short term satisfaction of eating something that tastes fantastic, but is fueling the problem.
I wish everyone could feel what I've experienced.
You'll never go back.
I know I wont.
Salmonella just Nailed it. Mike drop.
This is how it works, these are the results you get if you do your part.
Its not rocket science. This is my experience as well. Only difference is I went from size 44" waist to 34" waist.
Its just how the body works. Once you drop the weight it is almost effortless to maintain any weight you want.
JSTUART, "Really, so you think I could comfortably sit on 160...considering that I look like an emaciated ethiopian at 225?"
Not at all. Your a big guy and you are not extremely overweight.
Just saying that for people that need to lose 60, 70, 80lbs or more. It is possible in a relatively short period of time. This is more important if there are health reasons involved. In my case I turned around Type II Diabetes and got completely off my diabetic meds.
No strawberries but six pounds of pork belly gets the green light.
I deadlift 85lbs and I am really smart.
Actually, if you are diabetic or want to keep your body at an extremely low fat content this is true. As bizarre as it may sound to most people.
Thanks for posting your experience and pictures of your transformation. I may have missed it, but how long was the transformation from being heavy to your current state?
Amazingly quick. I buckled down hard and got into Ketosis rapidly with a drastic reduction of carbs for the first 2 months. I lost 70 lbs in about 4 or 5 months. I went from 36" waist pants that were tight and miserable to 34s being very comfortable. My shirt sizes went from XXL to L. I've never felt as good as I have in the last couple years. I eat meats and greens....not much else. Meat, cheese, salads green beans, broccoli etc. I read every label. Once in an extremely rare while I will splurge and have a small taste of what I deprive myself of. But then I'm right back on the program.
I can't stress this strongly enough.
You don't know how miserable you are until you aren't.
I certainly don't mean to poke fun at anyone that is struggling with weight, I've been there. It affects every aspect of your life.
The gratification of feeling good in your own skin far outweighs the short term satisfaction of eating something that tastes fantastic, but is fueling the problem.
I wish everyone could feel what I've experienced.
You'll never go back.
I know I wont.
Thank you for the very well written and detailed post. Your path is lock step with the path I am taking. I don't have much more that I probably need to trim down, but I would like to drop another 15 lbs of fat from where I began about 15 lbs ago. It is a slow and steady progress. I got serious about it this April on a cruise around Japan. I just wasn't feeling well. Didn't take long to turn that around.
We travel a lot and returned from Switzerland on a watch making tour. It was incredible and not hard at all to stay the course. I am reading a lot from the detractors in this thread about what we eat, but I don't see it that way. It is more what I DON'T eat or ingest. I have never read anywhere that my body requires sugar, caffeine, or other simple carbohydrates to live. Some carbohydrates do find their way into my diet, but I try to make them as complex as possible.
I have never had any difficulty in finding something to eat anywhere in the world that I feel aligns with my goals and health. My focus is more on what I don't want to eat and I find that a simpler way of living. Feeling good, looking good, and stellar blood test results fly in the face of the negative narratives. Frankly, I don't listen to the noise because I have nobody to convince other than myself. Your story and results are a strong additional motivator for me.
Let's be realistic here, not everyone is small or weedy with a small frame.
Yep... that's the issue with BMI, it doesn't work with athletes and old people, yet they are added in any percentage data.
And I prefer wiry over weedy or bony...
Kent
Heck, at this point I would dearly like to be wiry...I just did 32 hours on green tea and water with no hunger, I think I am not going to end up a pencil neck like crappy and his boyfriends.
Let's be realistic here, not everyone is small or weedy with a small frame.
Yep... that's the issue with BMI, it doesn't work with athletes and old people, yet they are added in any percentage data.
And I prefer wiry over weedy or bony...
Kent
Heck, at this point I would dearly like to be wiry...I just did 32 hours on green tea and water with no hunger, I think I am not going to end up a pencil neck like crappy and his boyfriends.
Drop the Green Tea AND WATER, you need ELECTROLYTES!!!!!
Let's be realistic here, not everyone is small or weedy with a small frame.
Yep... that's the issue with BMI, it doesn't work with athletes and old people, yet they are added in any percentage data.
And I prefer wiry over weedy or bony...
Kent
Heck, at this point I would dearly like to be wiry...I just did 32 hours on green tea and water with no hunger, I think I am not going to end up a pencil neck like crappy and his boyfriends.
Today is our fast day, was able to schedule it in finally. Coffee and liquid IV that I do daily anyway.
Have been doing stuff like this before IF became a catch phrase.
Old country wisdom I've heard all my life... missing a meal or two couldn't hurt.
battue, "Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen."
Yep.
Originally Posted by battue
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet......Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
That is 253 lbs standing there...pretty sure 160 in unattainable.
JSTUART, there is no way you need to be anywhere near 160lbs with your size and frame. You could probably loose 15-20lbs if you wanted to and just continue to eat good healthy food and feel great. Most of the people this info is posted for are overweight, feel like $hit and are looking for a lifestyle change. I posted what I did to let them know that there is help out there. I wish someone would have helped me find it when I was looking.
I’ve never allowed myself to get to where I needed to lose significant weight. It’s a lifestyle choice 😉
That's great, but what makes you think you know about losing weight since you have never done it?
Is your best advice just to have a better lifestyle? Don't you think that if an obese person could, that they already would have? Possibly all obese people just don't know they are eating too much and sitting around too much.
Because I’ve never allowed it, doesn’t mean I haven’t fought it. Dwell on that for awhile😉
Most could……but watching them roll out if the store with a cart full of pop, chips and ice cream tells me even though they know, they are hooked. The mirror and camera are incapable of lying. And they eventually sit around because the mind perceives the effort is too great. If the lifestyle changes doesn’t begin with the mind and pride first, then anything else will fail. Or it becomes too late.
Get it done in anyway that works. But if you hadn’t of become disgusted with yourself first, you still would be a lard ass.
Addition: And you won’t save another..because you have a calling of how to eat. As always, you need to change how others think, before you can change what they do.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but I can tell you for sure that people will have a lot more success if you tell them what to never eat again rather than eat whatever you want, just not as much, and get some more exercise. Eating correctly is what is necessary. You can't tell an addict to just cut back a little.
battue, "Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen."
Yep.
Originally Posted by battue
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet......Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
Yep
The Human Metabolism and its mechanisms - are well known.
Your infantile attempts at obfuscation - are just that.
Drop the Green Tea AND WATER, you need ELECTROLYTES!!!!!
Let's just pretend for the point of argument that I live in rural Australia and generally do physical work outside in 45+ Celsius in the sun with no issues, and also that I may be extremely aware of my bodily needs. We could also pretend that I shore on some of the hottest runs throughout the summer months in Australia.
Put me in the cold and I am screwed, but the heat is something I and some of my ancestors don't really have an issue with...I get enough electrolytes thank you.
Added. In point of fact that picture was taken at the height of last summer after working outside cutting council trees and hauling them away in 40-odd degree C heat, which is why I was so red. A real glow.
Drop the Green Tea AND WATER, you need ELECTROLYTES!!!!!
Let's just pretend for the point of argument that I live in rural Australia and generally do physical work outside in 45+ Celsius in the sun with no issues, and also that I may be extremely aware of my bodily needs. We could also pretend that I shore on some of the hottest runs throughout the summer months in Australia.
Put me in the cold and I am screwed, but the heat is something I and some of my ancestors don't really have an issue with...I get enough electrolytes thank you.
Electrolytes are the most important thing you need while fasting for proper muscle and brain function, Green Tea will do nothing for you. Water will hydrate you but it will not give you the salts and electrolytes you need.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
battue, "Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen."
Yep.
Originally Posted by battue
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet......Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
Yep
Watch it again. He states "So why I talk about fasting" And " other low carbohydrate diets is." (Fasting is something you do with, or in conjunction with a low carbohydrate diet.) Watch the entire video, its obvious that it is not a diet. It's just something you do. You stop eating for a certain amount of time. A diet has to do with altering or restricting what you eat. Your taking it out of context.
Fasting
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Fasting Fasting is the abstention from eating and sometimes drinking.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
And get corded, useful all day muscles, in place of the slow, stupid, fat covered slab meat.
So ya know.
GR
You don't listen boy, I work all day doing physical work...I can swing a pick or shovel for months without issue. Have done so for years. Hell, I shore sheep for a fair number of years. And I was good at it. I hauled roo carcases around for fifteen years, and I am strong.
You sure as heck won't have done the physical toil I have.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
No, I would prefer you stop telling me I know nothing about how my body responds.
You lot don't seem to understand, most people don't like being preached at by zealots...but you just aren't going to learn, just like the other crappy clown.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
No, I would prefer you stop telling me I know nothing about how my body responds.
You lot don't seem to understand, most people don't like being preached at by zealots...but you just aren't going to learn, just like the other crappy clown.
I would not call myself a Zealot, I only offered advice like so many have here.
And get corded, useful all day muscles, in place of the slow, stupid, fat covered slab meat.
So ya know.
GR
You don't listen boy, I work all day doing physical work...I can swing a pick or shovel for months without issue. Have done so for years. Hell, I shore sheep for a fair number of years. And I was good at it. I hauled roo carcases around for fifteen years, and I am strong.
You sure as heck won't have done the physical toil I have.
You have not corned the market on hard work, my friend.
And have done mine with Both the "every Three hour" baby food diet, and on Keto+Fasting.
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
Basically it comes down to shit in shit out, and too much shit will make you look and feel like shit. So it pays to get your shit together and work that shit off.
And ignore the zealots shit.
Pretty sure that covers any crappy pontifications.
[quote=battue]...Basically it comes down to shit in shit out, and too much shit will make you look and feel like shit. So it pays to get your shit together and work that shit off...
Guess you missed the part of the vid, where the Dr. proves that that is not how the body works, unless you are referring to Keto.
... because the "every Three hour" baby food diet doesn't.
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
"Word games and nothing else.." \ That's fine with me. call it anything you like. I'm not here to argue over what (And) means. I'm just posting the facts that are being presented in the video The Dr. clearly explains what happens in the human body in regards to Fasting and a low carb diet, as well as what happens with traditional diets. I'm glad you watched.
Just guessing and I could be totally wrong, but maybe JSTUART doesn’t want to take diet and exercise advice from someone whose diet and exercise program have made them look like a 63 year old post-menopausal woman?
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
The thread started about intermittent fasting, not dieting. Intermittent fasting is a healthy thing to do no matter your current health without it. One of the benefits is possible weight loss. Then the thread deteriorated to be all about different diets, then some studs chimed in to tell everybody that if they could just be as bad ass as them the diet part didn't matter.
Then the studs and the fanatics argued a while with an occasional post from someone who had good results with low carb and fasting, at which the studs retaliated by again stressing if everybody was just as fit and bad ass athletic as them, they wouldn't be nearly dead from lack of bread, corn and sugar.
In the beginning though, it wasn't about diets, AKA food modification. The beneficial results of fasting happen even when compared to the exact composition diet and calories consumed in 24 hours. The only difference being all the calories consumed in a specific time window when fasting.
If we are only talking diets, then someone who is obese would benefit the most from a low carb diet and move toward an intermittent schedule as quickly as possible.
Someone who is very fit and active but would like to drop 10- maybe 25 lbs. can accomplish it easily on caloric restriction. The closer you get to seriously overweight the easier it is to achieve results by cutting carbs and forcing your body to eat its own fat for energy.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
No, I would prefer you stop telling me I know nothing about how my body responds.
You lot don't seem to understand, most people don't like being preached at by zealots...but you just aren't going to learn, just like the other crappy clown.
I would not call myself a Zealot, I only offered advice like so many have here.
I will say nothing more to you on this subject.
Cheers mate
For Eight-Million years - the World was Round, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some pointy-head academics determined that, instead, "the World is Flat!" And built edifices in its honor, and punished the Heretics.
But brave men understood that a Round World was, "a Truth who's time had come," and proved it.
For Eight-Million years - Humans and their immediate ancestors lived on Ketosis+Fasting, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some point-head academics determined that "the 'every Three hour' baby food diet!" Was what man should eat, and built edifices in its honor, and punished the heretics.
But brave men understand that Ketosis+Fasting was, "a Truth who's time had come," and proved it.
Let's be realistic here, not everyone is small or weedy with a small frame.
Yep... that's the issue with BMI, it doesn't work with athletes and old people, yet they are added in any percentage data.
And I prefer wiry over weedy or bony...
Kent
I used to be a gym rat for many years. At my strongest and most physically fit I was 6'2 240 lbs benching 365. The BMI would have called me obese, but you'd have been hard pressed to pinch an inch on my gut.
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
The thread started about intermittent fasting, not dieting. Intermittent fasting is a healthy thing to do no matter your current health without it. One of the benefits is possible weight loss. Then the thread deteriorated to be all about different diets, then some studs chimed in to tell everybody that if they could just be as bad ass as them the diet part didn't matter.
Then the studs and the fanatics argued a while with an occasional post from someone who had good results with low carb and fasting, at which the studs retaliated by again stressing if everybody was just as fit and bad ass athletic as them, they wouldn't be nearly dead from lack of bread, corn and sugar.
In the beginning though, it wasn't about diets, AKA food modification. The beneficial results of fasting happen even when compared to the exact composition diet and calories consumed in 24 hours. The only difference being all the calories consumed in a specific time window when fasting.
If we are only talking diets, then someone who is obese would benefit the most from a low carb diet and move toward an intermittent schedule as quickly as possible.
Someone who is very fit and active but would like to drop 10- maybe 25 lbs. can accomplish it easily on caloric restriction. The closer you get to seriously overweight the easier it is to achieve results by cutting carbs and forcing your body to eat its own fat for energy.
The fasting aspect I found interesting...enough that I am testing it. The zealots pushing their favourite brand of diet is less interesting.
A diet is also "Something you do." Some do low fat, some do low carb, some do high protein, some do watching calories and micros, some do more exercise, some do fasting. There are a lot of some do's.
We all get the "stop eating for a certain amount of time." Doesn't make it not be food modification for a desired result....AKA diets....All depends on you definition of "and". I have mine...you have yours.
The thread started about intermittent fasting, not dieting. Intermittent fasting is a healthy thing to do no matter your current health without it. One of the benefits is possible weight loss. Then the thread deteriorated to be all about different diets, then some studs chimed in to tell everybody that if they could just be as bad ass as them the diet part didn't matter.
Then the studs and the fanatics argued a while with an occasional post from someone who had good results with low carb and fasting, at which the studs retaliated by again stressing if everybody was just as fit and bad ass athletic as them, they wouldn't be nearly dead from lack of bread, corn and sugar.
In the beginning though, it wasn't about diets, AKA food modification. The beneficial results of fasting happen even when compared to the exact composition diet and calories consumed in 24 hours. The only difference being all the calories consumed in a specific time window when fasting.
If we are only talking diets, then someone who is obese would benefit the most from a low carb diet and move toward an intermittent schedule as quickly as possible.
Someone who is very fit and active but would like to drop 10- maybe 25 lbs. can accomplish it easily on caloric restriction. The closer you get to seriously overweight the easier it is to achieve results by cutting carbs and forcing your body to eat its own fat for energy.
The fasting aspect I found interesting...enough that I am testing it. The zealots pushing their favourite brand of diet is less interesting.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Crappy, when you grow up and are a really good boy some girl may even let you squire her around, maybe you will even have wee little tiny babies with the lucky girl.
Trust me when I tell you no, you shouldn't do that as some are just not meant to breed.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
All personal preference for me, but I like red onions, broccoli, leafy green stuff, asparagus (except when peeing), green beans, and avocados. I like red onions in almost anything so much I figured it was unhealthy for me somehow then I read that they are super beneficial. That is one in a row for me.
Crappy, when you grow up and are a really good boy some girl may even let you squire her around, maybe you will even have wee little tiny babies with the lucky girl.
Trust me when I tell you no, you shouldn't do that as some are just not meant to breed.
You flex in the mirror when you write things like that, pussy?
Crappy, when you grow up and are a really good boy some girl may even let you squire her around, maybe you will even have wee little tiny babies with the lucky girl.
Trust me when I tell you no, you shouldn't do that as some are just not meant to breed.
You flex in the mirror when you write things like that, pussy?
Little DR.'s fear you.
Ha!
GR
Crappy, be nice to your elders as you too will one day grow up and develop a brain...maybe you might possibly get an internet connection of your very own. If you are a good boy.
battue, "Did it work...Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen."
Yep.
Originally Posted by battue
19:21...."So why I talk about fasting and other low carbohydrate diets is.." He classifies it as an another diet......Yes, I have yet to find any refer to fat cavemen. But we really don't know. Then again, I would think they got more than a little exercise...
Yep
The Human Metabolism and its mechanisms - are well known.
Your infantile attempts at obfuscation - are just that.
Free Education
Take it or leave it.
GR
Obfuscate on this Happy.
Moving wins the race…. And there is no one that works for you. 😂
Crappy, when you grow up and are a really good boy some girl may even let you squire her around, maybe you will even have wee little tiny babies with the lucky girl.
Trust me when I tell you no, you shouldn't do that as some are just not meant to breed.
You flex in the mirror when you write things like that, pussy?
Little DR.'s fear you.
Ha!
GR
Crappy, be nice to your elders as you too will one day grow up and develop a brain...maybe you might possibly get an internet connection of your very own. If you are a good boy.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
Primal Blueprint does not count vegetable carbs, although I don't count the number of carbs I use common sense with winter squash, sweet potato and plantains, yes fruit.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
All personal preference for me, but I like red onions, broccoli, leafy green stuff, asparagus (except when peeing), green beans, and avocados. I like red onions in almost anything so much I figured it was unhealthy for me somehow then I read that they are super beneficial. That is one in a row for me.
I eat lots of broccoli. Dr. Rhonda Patrick has lots of good info on broccoli, but it helps repair the communication network between cells. I eat maybe 4-6 lbs a week. Spinach and eggs are a favorite. Kale is extremely nutritious, and Avocadoes are good any way you like.
An out-of-town meal for me might be a quick stop at the grocery store for a couple cans of sardines, an avocado and a bag of baby carrots if I feel snacky. I eat all kinds of fresh produce though except potatoes and the night shade veggies. I can honestly tell the difference in joint pain staying away from nightshades.
You may get by with lots or very few vegetable carbs, just depending. It's best to test your ketone levels and adjust accordingly.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
Primal Blueprint does not count vegetable carbs, although I don't count the number of carbs I use common sense with winter squash, sweet potato and plantains, yes fruit.
How the hell do you eat a plantain? I must not have been doing it right.
I eat much the same and save an occasional piece of fruit and the really high carb stuff for rare treats.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
All personal preference for me, but I like red onions, broccoli, leafy green stuff, asparagus (except when peeing), green beans, and avocados. I like red onions in almost anything so much I figured it was unhealthy for me somehow then I read that they are super beneficial. That is one in a row for me.
I eat lots of broccoli. Dr. Rhonda Patrick has lots of good info on broccoli, but it helps repair the communication network between cells. I eat maybe 4-6 lbs a week. Spinach and eggs are a favorite. Kale is extremely nutritious, and Avocadoes are good any way you like.
An out-of-town meal for me might be a quick stop at the grocery store for a couple cans of sardines, an avocado and a bag of baby carrots if I feel snacky. I eat all kinds of fresh produce though except potatoes and the night shade veggies. I can honestly tell the difference in joint pain staying away from nightshades.
You may get by with lots or very few vegetable carbs, just depending. It's best to test your ketone levels and adjust accordingly.
Me as well RHClark, it has been proven that Broccoli is the best cruciferous vegetable because its properties are known to be great cancer-fighting properties.
I eat broccoli by the pound and that is exactly what I am having for dinner tonight, with butter and freshly squeezed Lemon!
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
I even offered to provide an example.
More a Both, than an either/or.
Electrolyte supplement is essential, because so little of it exists in the modern water supply, potable/agricultural/livestock.
And caffeine is great for the metabolism - a 10% boost.
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
You said he was incorrect... he's not.
Kent
He was incorrect about Electrolytes, PERIOD!
Anyways he asked me to leave him out of this conversation so I do not want to have this conversation with you either, cheers
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
All personal preference for me, but I like red onions, broccoli, leafy green stuff, asparagus (except when peeing), green beans, and avocados. I like red onions in almost anything so much I figured it was unhealthy for me somehow then I read that they are super beneficial. That is one in a row for me.
I eat lots of broccoli. Dr. Rhonda Patrick has lots of good info on broccoli, but it helps repair the communication network between cells. I eat maybe 4-6 lbs a week. Spinach and eggs are a favorite. Kale is extremely nutritious, and Avocadoes are good any way you like.
An out-of-town meal for me might be a quick stop at the grocery store for a couple cans of sardines, an avocado and a bag of baby carrots if I feel snacky. I eat all kinds of fresh produce though except potatoes and the night shade veggies. I can honestly tell the difference in joint pain staying away from nightshades.
You may get by with lots or very few vegetable carbs, just depending. It's best to test your ketone levels and adjust accordingly.
Me as well RHClark, it has been proven that Broccoli is the best cruciferous vegetable because its properties are known to be great cancer-fighting properties.
I eat broccoli by the pound and that is exactly what I am having for dinner tonight, with butter and freshly squeezed Lemon!
It's my favorite vegetable.
I like it caramelized in butter and olive oil with just salt and coarse cracked pepper. The key is dark golden brown outside without getting it mushy.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
Primal Blueprint does not count vegetable carbs, although I don't count the number of carbs I use common sense with winter squash, sweet potato and plantains, yes fruit.
How the hell do you eat a plantain? I must not have been doing it right.
I eat much the same and save an occasional piece of fruit and the really high carb stuff for rare treats.
Fry the [bleep] out of it, hopefully in grease.
Still basically a high-starch food, like a banana, no?
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
You said he was incorrect... he's not.
Kent
He was incorrect about Electrolytes, PERIOD!
Anyways he asked me to leave him out of this conversation so I do not want to have this conversation with you either, cheers
To bad, you are wrong thinking he or I need you to explain electrolytes to us, even for a one day fast.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
All personal preference for me, but I like red onions, broccoli, leafy green stuff, asparagus (except when peeing), green beans, and avocados. I like red onions in almost anything so much I figured it was unhealthy for me somehow then I read that they are super beneficial. That is one in a row for me.
I eat lots of broccoli. Dr. Rhonda Patrick has lots of good info on broccoli, but it helps repair the communication network between cells. I eat maybe 4-6 lbs a week. Spinach and eggs are a favorite. Kale is extremely nutritious, and Avocadoes are good any way you like.
An out-of-town meal for me might be a quick stop at the grocery store for a couple cans of sardines, an avocado and a bag of baby carrots if I feel snacky. I eat all kinds of fresh produce though except potatoes and the night shade veggies. I can honestly tell the difference in joint pain staying away from nightshades.
You may get by with lots or very few vegetable carbs, just depending. It's best to test your ketone levels and adjust accordingly.
Me as well RHClark, it has been proven that Broccoli is the best cruciferous vegetable because its properties are known to be great cancer-fighting properties.
I eat broccoli by the pound and that is exactly what I am having for dinner tonight, with butter and freshly squeezed Lemon!
It's my favorite vegetable.
I like it caramelized in butter and olive oil with just salt and coarse cracked pepper. The key is dark golden brown outside without getting it mushy.
I steam mine lightly, and enjoy it crunchy and on the harder side. Any way you eat broccoli works for me
I always buy Broccoli with the stems, I peel the skin off, its my favorite part!
You may want to do a little research on it, for your own benefit.
Electrolytes are simple, if my body wants them they taste good, if it doesn't then they taste like crap...if I force it my body really doesn't appreciate the effort.
With all due respect you are incorrect, would you like me to give you an example?
By the way, I am only trying to be of assistance.
The guy works out in extreme heat like I do, last week it was 116 to 119 and humidity moving up, I think we know what we are talking about.
You guys are fairly simplistic in your thinking and new to this way of thinking.
It's like new mothers... their baby will be perfect, no sugar, never hear the word no, never hear a harsh word, all health food, no toxins, only positivity... like theirs is the first baby ever.
By the second one that's all out the window... their baby wasn't the new Jesus like they thought. And everyone that already had kids and rolled their eyes.
Kent
All I said was that he was better off drinking Electrolytes instead of drinking Green Tea while fasting.
Don't try to make what I said an issue, I am right about the Electrolytes while fasting, in any type of weather, Period.
You said he was incorrect... he's not.
Kent
He was incorrect about Electrolytes, PERIOD!
Anyways he asked me to leave him out of this conversation so I do not want to have this conversation with you either, cheers
To bad, you are wrong thinking he or I need you to explain electrolytes to us, even for a one day fast.
Kent
Not just fasting, my friend.
Modern water supply, and therefore potable/agriculture/livestock, are essentially devoid of Electrolytes.
Keto would fix that... along with a lot of other things.
Consider it.
GR
Well crappy...it hasn't fixed you.
You could not be more wrong, little one.
That's why you're goin' ta sleep.
... and I'm just goin' ta bed.
Ha!
So ya know.
GR
Different hemisphere crappy...unless you are one of those lonely Victorian teens. Is that you crappy, a poor little lonely aussie sprite desperate for attention.
Looking at veggies to add to program, I was surprised at the amount of carbs in some of them. What's your choice of veggies, and why?
Primal Blueprint does not count vegetable carbs, although I don't count the number of carbs I use common sense with winter squash, sweet potato and plantains, yes fruit.
How the hell do you eat a plantain? I must not have been doing it right.
I eat much the same and save an occasional piece of fruit and the really high carb stuff for rare treats.
As mentioned earlier, deep fried in coconut oil, smashed and deep fried again. Could just as easily be fried in a sauce pan in olive oil if that is preferred.
The best non-potato substitute I have found but of course, high starch so I don't have them often.
Keto would fix that... along with a lot of other things.
Consider it.
GR
Well crappy...it hasn't fixed you.
You could not be more wrong, little one.
That's why you're goin' ta sleep.
... and I'm just goin' ta bed.
Ha!
So ya know.
GR
Different hemisphere crappy...unless you are one of those lonely Victorian teens. Is that you crappy, a poor little lonely aussie sprite desperate for attention.
Your dream, little one.
Look up the ravages of Arteriosclerosis - silent Metabolic disease.
Modern water supply, and therefore potable/agriculture/livestock, are essentially devoid of Electrolytes.
GR
Wrong
Kent
Sure thing.
Then, tell us - where does it come from, how does it get into our potable/agricultural/livestock water supply, and how do we get maybe 90% of our water, currently?
I went years without tortillas since the "low carb" version I was eating contained wheat gluten.
Then I found this video and tried them and honestly, the damn things were almost as good with the same texture as my mother-out-laws, a Mexican who used flour, water and lard and a little salt.
I omit the honey but here is the recipe if you don't want to watch the video.
Gluten Free Tortillas by Ester Perez
1 cup (100 grams) blanched almond flour 1¾ cups (198 grams) tapioca flour plus more for dusting ½ teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon xanthan gum 2 Tablespoons honey drizzle of olive oil (optional) approximately ½ cup hot water (enough to thicken like play dough texture)
Modern water supply, and therefore potable/agriculture/livestock, are essentially devoid of Electrolytes.
GR
Wrong
Kent
Sure thing.
Then, tell us - where does it come from, how does it get into our potable/agricultural/livestock water supply, and how do we get maybe 90% of our water, currently?
Waiting...
GR
From the sky?
lol
you guys are again too simplistic, you don't mention the affects of to much electrolytes or how to understand your body to know if you are low or high.
I've made the mistake of over electrolyte'ing before, kidney stones are a bitch, that's just one.
Modern water supply, and therefore potable/agriculture/livestock, are essentially devoid of Electrolytes.
GR
Wrong
Kent
Sure thing.
Then, tell us - where does it come from, how does it get into our potable/agricultural/livestock water supply, and how do we get maybe 90% of our water, currently?
Waiting...
GR
From the sky?
lol
you guys are again too simplistic, you don't mention the affects of to much electrolytes or how to understand your body to know if you are low or high.
I've made the mistake of over electrolyte'ing before, kidney stones are a bitch, that's just one.
Kent
So, you think Rain Water has electrolytes?
The absolute purist form of naturally occurring water?
Please go on...
Ha!
Sodium/Potassium/Magnesium/iodine and assorted trace minerals...
From where?
And the human body, unencumbered by the "every Three hour" baby food diet, has no problem getting rid of any, even massive amounts, of excess minerals.
The absolute purist form of naturally occurring water?"
you asked a stupid question... you got a real answer...
Anyway... quick google
Foods with electrolytes include:
spinach kale avocados broccoli potatoes beans almonds peanuts soybeans tofu strawberries watermelon oranges bananas tomatoes milk buttermilk yogurt fish, such as flounder turkey chicken veal raisins olives canned foods, such as soups and vegetables
Animals and plants aren't getting pure filtered water in their systems, plus they are fed minerals through blocks, feed and fertilizer.
Kent
So, how many of those items are actually human food, and what are the current concentrations of "electrolytes" in them, RE: the basic human requirement?
I went years without tortillas since the "low carb" version I was eating contained wheat gluten.
Then I found this video and tried them and honestly, the damn things were almost as good with the same texture as my mother-out-laws, a Mexican who used flour, water and lard and a little salt.
I omit the honey but here is the recipe if you don't want to watch the video.
Gluten Free Tortillas by Ester Perez
1 cup (100 grams) blanched almond flour 1¾ cups (198 grams) tapioca flour plus more for dusting ½ teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon xanthan gum 2 Tablespoons honey drizzle of olive oil (optional) approximately ½ cup hot water (enough to thicken like play dough texture)
Thanks for the video Dave, I will definitely be giving it a try!
Not present in controlled irrigation or well-water.
You don't know what the fùck you're talking about. Groundwater generally has higher mineral content than surface water. And irrigation water comes from both groundwater and surface water sources.
Not present in controlled irrigation or well-water.
You don't know what the fùck you're talking about. Groundwater generally has higher mineral content than surface water. And irrigation water comes from both groundwater and surface water sources.
Surface rain water.
Well-water is the next worst.
Look up Alluvial, colloidal, geology/erosion, and chelated minerals, after your next feeding and nap.
Not present in controlled irrigation or well-water.
You don't know what the fùck you're talking about. Groundwater generally has higher mineral content than surface water. And irrigation water comes from both groundwater and surface water sources.
Surface rain water.
Well-water is the next worst.
Look up Alluvial, colloidal, geology/erosion, and chelated minerals, after your next feeding and nap. GR
Not present in controlled irrigation or well-water.
You don't know what the fùck you're talking about. Groundwater generally has higher mineral content than surface water. And irrigation water comes from both groundwater and surface water sources.
Surface rain water.
Well-water is the next worst.
Look up Alluvial, colloidal, geology/erosion, and chelated minerals, after your next feeding and nap. GR
Starving is not an issue on Primal Blueprint and one great meal a day saves me a ton of time, dishes and money...and it avoids stuffing myself with pasta (gluten free or not).
Guess you missed the part of the vid, where the Dr. proves that that is not how the body works, unless you are referring to Keto.
... because the "every Three hour" baby food diet doesn't.
GR
You on the other hand are not just a zealot, there is something intrinsically wrong with you.
For Eight-Million years - the World was Round, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some pointy-head academics determined that, instead, "the World is Flat!" And built edifices in its honor, and punished the Heretics.
But brave men understood that a Round World was, "a Truth who's time had come," and proved it.
For Eight-Million years - Humans and their immediate ancestors lived on Ketosis+Fasting, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some point-head academics determined that "the 'every Three hour' baby food diet!" Was what man should eat, and built edifices in its honor, and punished the heretics.
But brave men understand that Ketosis+Fasting was, "a Truth who's time had come," and proved it.
Starving is not an issue on Primal Blueprint and one great meal a day saves me a ton of time, dishes and money...and it avoids stuffing myself with pasta (gluten free or not).
Starving is not an issue on Primal Blueprint and one great meal a day saves me a ton of time, dishes and money...and it avoids stuffing myself with pasta (gluten free or not).
Starving is not an issue on Primal Blueprint and one great meal a day saves me a ton of time, dishes and money...and it avoids stuffing myself with pasta (gluten free or not).
Some good looking dishes there. I could definitely eat that and be happy..
Starving is not an issue on Primal Blueprint and one great meal a day saves me a ton of time, dishes and money...and it avoids stuffing myself with pasta (gluten free or not).
It wasn't long ago that health experts were convinced skipping meals did nothing good for neither weight loss nor health, and their conclusions were based on actual scientific results. Now, intermittent fasting is good for both.
Hell, a growing number of nutritionalists are starting to come back around to the egg yolks are bad for LDL thought....again supposedly based on actual scientific results.
As the world turns...choose whatever works for your body chemistry and rock on, I guess.
I vote for Salmonella as the most inspirational gentleman on this thread!
Fatties should pay attention to what has been posted here, there is ZERO REASON to go through life not feeling great about the way you look and feel compared to being miserable.
Takes a little discipline, but the payoff is huge. Nothing is better than feeling good about the way you feel and look!
Cheers, and best wishes to all from a retarded Canadian that lives the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle.
It wasn't long ago that health experts were convinced skipping meals did nothing good for neither weight loss nor health, and their conclusions were based on actual scientific results. Now, intermittent fasting is good for both.
Hell, a growing number of nutritionalists are starting to come back around to the egg yolks are bad for LDL thought....again supposedly based on actual scientific results.
As the world turns...choose whatever works for your body chemistry and rock on, I guess.
If you don't know any different, and are fed by popular media, trends, and fads.
You can actually make some pretty decent low carb ice cream in a food processor with cottage cheese and frozen blueberries sweetened with Stevia. That is if you like the taste of blueberry cheesecake. Strawberries work too.
Think about how hard you have to work to get that shidttt off of you. Is it really worth it?
You must live a sad life.
Of course it’s worth it. You don’t eat this daily after your meals. Regular exercise isn’t hard work. It’s enjoyable and makes you feel good while allowing you to enjoy food
It may surprise you that I can eat anything you have posted and everything you have not posted on Primal Blueprint, although I generally choose not to eat it.
It falls under the 80/20 rule, ie, following the principles of PB 80% of the time will still result in success, I may feel like [bleep] for a day after eating cheesecake, ice cream, real pizza on wheat gluten rich dough but it won't result in failure and falls in the remaining 20%.
After fasting since 7/4, down from 205 to 184.5 today, assuming ~5 lbs water for a net 15.5 lbs of fat, I broke my fast at Twin Peaks with a salad and two tall Ziegenbock's and a bowl of popcorn this evening.
CHICKEN STREET CORN SALAD (it was sweet to a degree so the dressing probably contained pure sugar)
grilled chicken · iceberg · charred corn · lentils · Billionaire’s Bacon · roasted jalapeños · Parmesan · pico de gallo · green onions · cilantro · tortilla strips · creamy lime vinaigrette · chili lime salt with grilled shrimp added
I will likely go two days OMD to enjoy fried farm eggs and my own homemade bacon tomorrow and a salad with buttermilk ranch made with avocado oil and farm egg mayo on Tuesday and fast the month of August.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity.
A pure keto style of eating didn't work for me either, that is high protein, moderate fat and very low carbs (less than 20g per day) for decades. Not Atkins, that is unlimited protein and fat, but more like Atkin's Induction. I lost 50+ multiple times but gained plenty of fat, equal to or more that I lost after resuming a SAD diet, ie Standard American Diet rich in carbs, crop oils, and other [bleep] I chose to eat.
Low carb (grains, sugar and fruit in the excess), moderate to high fat, (olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil and animal fat), and fasting works for me and many others.
I am not here to convince you to try it or accept it, but to dismiss it with endless articles pulled from the internet is hard to take seriously when I for 50+ years, battled the fat demon and with two simple changes, PB and IF changed my life and know better.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
LOL
Yes, HUMANS are designed to run on carbohydrates as I’ve referenced with scientific studies.
35% to 60% of your calories should be from quality, complex carbohydrates
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
Damn but you are awesome. You must be proud.
Truth
LOL
Truth is you are going to ignore because your full of yourself attitude is sickening. Glad never to have known you.
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
If Rick is running (cooking) a restaurant he is on the go all day, and frankly I am surprised he has time for gym attendance.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
LOL
Yes, HUMANS are designed to run on carbohydrates as I’ve referenced with scientific studies.
35% to 60% of your calories should be from quality, complex carbohydrates
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
Damn but you are awesome. You must be proud.
Truth
LOL
Truth is you are going to ignore because your full of yourself attitude is sickening. Glad never to have known you.
Your style of eating is not the minority, it's the majority if you refuse to admit to yourself it is the cause of obesity in the US. Even if you personally are not impacted by the high carbs, low fat grazing style of consumption is the cause of mass obesity. .
My “style” of eating is definitely not the cause of obesity in the US. Eating processed, pre-packaged garbage high in added sugar and high in fat coupled with sitting on your ass all day is the cause of obesity in the United States
I am almost 100% certain you typed humans need to eat 60% complex carbs daily....that IS the cause of obesity along with eating around the clock to keep glucose shakes at bay.
LOL
Yes, HUMANS are designed to run on carbohydrates as I’ve referenced with scientific studies.
35% to 60% of your calories should be from quality, complex carbohydrates
Like I said, addiction to complex carbs is the cause of obesity in the US. You won't accept it and that is fine, you are in the business to keep America fat and that is your business, I don't care.
But I know, carb loading kept be fat, for far too long.
I don't think you have convinced a single person to abandon low carb, high fat, moderate protein for high carb and low fat despite the continuous posting of pictures of your food, that looks great by the way, or endless "studies" pulled from the internet.
Why are you the only person [bleep] on the thread?
I found a pizza recipe on that evil Chinese's spy website, aka TikTok for pizza crust made from canned white chicken meat and parmesan cheese that was pretty damn good.
Although I am finding more and more recipes for gluten free (not carb free) dough.
Like I said, addiction to complex carbs is the cause of obesity in the US. You won't accept it and that is fine, you are in the business to keep America fat and that is your business, I don't care.
But I know, carb loading kept be fat, for far too long.
I don't think you have convinced a single person to abandon low carb, high fat, moderate protein for high carb and low fat despite the continuous posting of pictures of your food, that looks great by the way, or endless "studies" pulled from the internet.
Why are you the only person [bleep] on the thread?
The thread is about fasting...not diet. So the man is not the only one, but is responding to others.
Why are you the only person [bleep] on the thread?
There’s been plenty discrediting the keto bullschidt, but your cult sickness has blinded your fat ass
If you choose to ignore facts that can easily be found in any information search, that’s on you and I couldn’t give a good carbohydrate-fiber induced schidt.
Why are you the only person [bleep] on the thread?
There’s been plenty discrediting the keto bullschidt, but your cult sickness has blinded your fat ass
If you choose to ignore facts that can easily be found in any information search, that’s on you and I couldn’t give a good carbohydrate-fiber induced schidt.
That is the funniest [bleep] you have posted yet...I don't need to search for [bleep], I know better from my own rather recent experiences and need to search no further.
I eat pizza once a week, this is one of my homemade pizzas, delicious!
Good looking pie there KB. I like pizza as much as the next guy. I'll eat a couple of slices about once a month. I used to eat a lot more, buts that's when I weighed 260lbs.
I eat pizza once a week, this is one of my homemade pizzas, delicious!
Good looking pie there KB. I like pizza as much as the next guy. I'll eat a couple of slices about once a month. I used to eat a lot more, buts that's when I weighed 260lbs.
Thanks man, one of the things I like about Intermittent Fasting, is that I eat whatever I want.
I eat once a day and when I eat I eat anything my heart desires.
Like I said, addiction to complex carbs is the cause of obesity in the US. You won't accept it and that is fine, you are in the business to keep America fat and that is your business, I don't care.
But I know, carb loading kept be fat, for far too long.
I don't think you have convinced a single person to abandon low carb, high fat, moderate protein for high carb and low fat despite the continuous posting of pictures of your food, that looks great by the way, or endless "studies" pulled from the internet.
Why are you the only person [bleep] on the thread?
The thread is about fasting...not diet. So the man is not the only one, but is responding to others.
KB, I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
Because I have been eating OMAD for 4 years now, I can not even imagine eating any different way. If I even eat a tiny meal during the day, I feel as sluggish as a snail.
You will get used to it real fast, eat whatever you want when you do, 24-hour cycles.
If you are gaining any weight you don't want, just switch to 48-hour cycles until you drop the weight and go back to 24s after you do, easy peezy!
The last time I saw him was in the mid 80's then I moved out west to hunt big game, but he hunted with my father for Woodcock over our dogs and they duck hunted together, I am pretty sure.
“The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats – which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.“
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. FYI.
A report from New York medical examiner's office leaked a year after his death indicated Atkins had a history of; - heart attack, - congestive heart failure - hypertension,
and at time of death he was 258 pounds which qualified him as obese for his height.
Originally Posted by jc189
..., according to Trager, Atkins had cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disease that was probably caused by a virus, not his diet.
Dr.Trager from the Atkins Council ?..LoL
Mr.Atkins obesity and hypertension more specifically when combined are really bad for one with existing cardiomyopathy even if such is orig. due to viral or genetic..However, I haven't seen anything to convincingly dismiss Atkins having acquired* cardiomyopathy,.rather it's quite the opposite.
Mayo clinic: "Certain health conditions or behaviors that can lead to acquired cardiomyopathy include: Long-term high blood pressure, Heart tissue damage from a heart attack, Long-term rapid heart rate.."
Eight-Million years of living without cooking fire, or grocery stores.
We haven't been around that long.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
...
Religious creationist types pushing the "Sugar is the devil" crapola don't think man (or even the planet) has been around anywhere near that long.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
And Hope? Is not a plan.
But Clark said cancer was cured through faith which is based primarily on hope. Yet Clarks faith could not cure his obesity he had to turn to medical science for that.
The theory that high cholesterol ensures heart disease has been debunked. In otherwise healthy people (read low glycemic diet) one can have higher cholesterol and zero plaquing or other heart/circulatory issues. You can have both high HDLs and LDLs and be perfectly healthy. Again, diet has everything to do with it.
The killer is very simple - mix insulin resistance through lots of sugar and carbs with a high fat/calorie diet and you don't stand a chance. But you can have a high fat diet in the absence of insulin and be quite healthy - even with higher levels of serum cholesterol.
But don't attempt to tell that to your doctor. Stains are a $29 billion industry in the US.
The theory that high cholesterol ensures heart disease has been debunked. In otherwise healthy people (read low glycemic diet) one can have higher cholesterol and zero plaquing or other heart/circulatory issues. You can have both high HDLs and LDLs and be perfectly healthy. Again, diet has everything to do with it.
The killer is very simple - mix insulin resistance through lots of sugar and carbs with a high fat/calorie diet and you don't stand a chance. But you can have a high fat diet in the absence of insulin and be quite healthy - even with higher levels of serum cholesterol.
But don't attempt to tell that to your doctor. Stains are a $29 billion industry in the US.
Nice summary of where my belly went, why I fired my doctor, why I stopped eating sugar and bread, and why I do 6,000 steps a day.
The theory that high cholesterol ensures heart disease has been debunked. In otherwise healthy people (read low glycemic diet) one can have higher cholesterol and zero plaquing or other heart/circulatory issues. You can have both high HDLs and LDLs and be perfectly healthy. Again, diet has everything to do with it.
The killer is very simple - mix insulin resistance through lots of sugar and carbs with a high fat/calorie diet and you don't stand a chance. But you can have a high fat diet in the absence of insulin and be quite healthy - even with higher levels of serum cholesterol.
But don't attempt to tell that to your doctor. Stains are a $29 billion industry in the US.
This is posted as a courtesy for those who may possibly think crappy has any credibility at all, every thing he comes up with is straight up gleaned from the internet.
I eat pizza once a week, this is one of my homemade pizzas, delicious!
Good looking pie there KB. I like pizza as much as the next guy. I'll eat a couple of slices about once a month. I used to eat a lot more, buts that's when I weighed 260lbs.
Thanks man, one of the things I like about Intermittent Fasting, is that I eat whatever I want.
I eat once a day and when I eat I eat anything my heart desires.
I'm not against a pizza made as healthy as possible. I do want to stress that on OMAD it's a lot more important to monitor what you are eating to insure good nutrition.
I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
Because I have been eating OMAD for 4 years now, I can not even imagine eating any different way. If I even eat a tiny meal during the day, I feel as sluggish as a snail.
You will get used to it real fast, eat whatever you want when you do, 24-hour cycles.
If you are gaining any weight you don't want, just switch to 48-hour cycles until you drop the weight and go back to 24s after you do, easy peezy!
Still a good idea to watch your carbohydrate intake because spiking your insulin massively after every 24 hour fast can land you in diabetic mode. Also, a 48 hour fast has a specific reason mainly to reset your dopamine receptors. If you need a dopamine reset it's great but remember that a 48 hour fast is long enough that your digestive system will downregulate and it takes one week to upregulate your digestive system again. The 36 hour fast doesn't downregulate your digestive system at all so for simply losing weight I stick with the 36. The longer fasts because they are hacking into your metabolics pretty hard should be saved for maybe 3 times a year. While the 48 hour and longer fasts do have tremendous benefits they also have a downside if used to often where as the 36 doesn't get into this territory
I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
Because I have been eating OMAD for 4 years now, I can not even imagine eating any different way. If I even eat a tiny meal during the day, I feel as sluggish as a snail.
You will get used to it real fast, eat whatever you want when you do, 24-hour cycles.
If you are gaining any weight you don't want, just switch to 48-hour cycles until you drop the weight and go back to 24s after you do, easy peezy!
Still a good idea to watch your carbohydrate intake because spiking your insulin massively after every 24 hour fast can land you in diabetic mode. Also, a 48 hour fast has a specific reason mainly to reset your dopamine receptors. If you need a dopamine reset it's great but remember that a 48 hour fast is long enough that your digestive system will downregulate and it takes one week to upregulate your digestive system again. The 36 hour fast doesn't downregulate your digestive system at all so for simply losing weight I stick with the 36. The longer fasts because they are hacking into your metabolics pretty hard should be saved for maybe 3 times a year. While the 48 hour and longer fasts do have tremendous benefits they also have a downside if used to often where as the 36 doesn't get into this territory
FYI, I do not eat a lot of carbs, mostly Meat and Veggies. Pizza is a once-a-week treat.
I do also have deserts, but typically not more than twice a week. Like this Key Lime Pie I made
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
That is exactly the one I got and glad you like it. Works well for me also. I think the sticks go out of usefulness after a little while. It seems like the don't react as well over time.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
Good work jc, I am ordering one as well, the sticks are a pain in the butt! Intermittent Fasting Works Period!
This is the very successful restaurant Paul owned in Montreal before he sold it to Gordon Ramsay.
I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
Because I have been eating OMAD for 4 years now, I can not even imagine eating any different way. If I even eat a tiny meal during the day, I feel as sluggish as a snail.
You will get used to it real fast, eat whatever you want when you do, 24-hour cycles.
If you are gaining any weight you don't want, just switch to 48-hour cycles until you drop the weight and go back to 24s after you do, easy peezy!
Still a good idea to watch your carbohydrate intake because spiking your insulin massively after every 24 hour fast can land you in diabetic mode. Also, a 48 hour fast has a specific reason mainly to reset your dopamine receptors. If you need a dopamine reset it's great but remember that a 48 hour fast is long enough that your digestive system will downregulate and it takes one week to upregulate your digestive system again. The 36 hour fast doesn't downregulate your digestive system at all so for simply losing weight I stick with the 36. The longer fasts because they are hacking into your metabolics pretty hard should be saved for maybe 3 times a year. While the 48 hour and longer fasts do have tremendous benefits they also have a downside if used to often where as the 36 doesn't get into this territory
FYI, I do not eat a lot of carbs, mostly Meat and Veggies. Pizza is a once-a-week treat.
I do also have deserts, but typically not more than twice a week. Like this Key Lime Pie I made
I was basing my reply off of your advice to JC189 to....."eat whatever you want when you do 24 hour fasts"
Everyone has a different idea on "fasting" but two considerations:
1. You can achieve the benefits of "fasting" with 500 calories a day - which ain't hard. You don't need to go zero calories unless you just want to for whatever personal reason.
2. The idea of beneficial fasting is to kick start the insulin response reset (it takes time for that). But if you go right back to carbs and sugar you accomplish nothing. It's just a lot easier to cut all carbs and sugar for a month and then add some complex carbs back in.
I stick to 30 grams or less carbs a day and 15 grams of that is Ezekiel Bread at breakfast - which is generally around noon for me. That gives me 17 hours between my last and first meal. That is my daily "fast". If I decide to eat pizza, I just extend my daily fast till dinner the next day. Otherwise, I eat zero additional sugar or simple carbs.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
I would like to pick up one of those too. Can you post a link or give the model and make so I get the same one please?
Everyone has a different idea on "fasting" but two considerations:
1. You can achieve the benefits of "fasting" with 500 calories a day - which ain't hard. You don't need to go zero calories unless you just want to for whatever personal reason.
2. The idea of beneficial fasting is to kick start the insulin response reset (it takes time for that). But if you go right back to carbs and sugar you accomplish nothing. It's just a lot easier to cut all carbs and sugar for a month and then add some complex carbs back in.
I stick to 30 grams or less carbs a day and 15 grams of that is Ezekiel Bread at breakfast - which is generally around noon for me. That gives me 17 hours between my last and first meal. That is my daily "fast". If I decide to eat pizza, I just extend my daily fast till dinner the next day. Otherwise, I eat zero additional sugar or simple carbs.
Once again, this isn't difficult.
As the old saying goes "A child can do it"
No BS Counting Calories, no charts, graphs, or special grocery lists!
I eat pizza once a week, this is one of my homemade pizzas, delicious!
Good looking pie there KB. I like pizza as much as the next guy. I'll eat a couple of slices about once a month. I used to eat a lot more, buts that's when I weighed 260lbs.
Thanks man, one of the things I like about Intermittent Fasting, is that I eat whatever I want.
I eat once a day and when I eat I eat anything my heart desires.
I'm not against a pizza made as healthy as possible...
Then what does one call a pizza - made without the crust?
Bean-less chili?
Askin' for a friend.
... who's a gym meathead in the retail Italian baby food business.
I eat pizza once a week, this is one of my homemade pizzas, delicious!
Good looking pie there KB. I like pizza as much as the next guy. I'll eat a couple of slices about once a month. I used to eat a lot more, buts that's when I weighed 260lbs.
Thanks man, one of the things I like about Intermittent Fasting, is that I eat whatever I want.
I eat once a day and when I eat I eat anything my heart desires.
I'm not against a pizza made as healthy as possible...
Then what does one call a pizza - made without the crust?
Bean-less chili?
Askin' for a friend.
... who's a gym meathead in the retail Italian baby food business.
Ha!
GR
My wife made one a couple of months ago with Cauliflower as the crust. I said "Please never make that chit for me again" lol
NEWS FLASH: If it isn't a bread crust it's not Pizza
KB, I switched from 16-8 to OMAD 4 days ago. I like to switch things up a little, I like one meal a day for the reason you just posted. It might just be one meal a day, but its a big one.
What really works well is an IM/P 2/5 (or 3/4) Feasting/Fasting.
Eat really well (Keto), breakfast and dinner (9A/2P), on the weekends - and then water, dark roast Community coffee, and brine tea Fast during the week.
The [Fast/Work/hunt/Retrieve/Process/Cook => Feast/sleep/screw] cycle is very interesting.
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
How can it be "starving" if a person is feasting on their own bodyfat?
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
Read this entire thread, all the answers you need you will find here, along with lots of BS and arguing lol
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
No need to watch anything for 2+ hours
Watch this and all your questions will be answered By a Doctor (Leading expert in this field) not just some youtuber. All information is backed up by studies done at the top medical institutions in the country.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
I would like to pick up one of those too. Can you post a link or give the model and make so I get the same one please?
Amazon
Ketone Breath Analyzer Ketosis Breath Meter Portable Ketosis Breath Tester for Healthy Keep Fit with 10 Mouthpieces Brand: Anntoo 4.3 4.3 out of 5 stars 13 ratings Price: $49.87 ($49.87 / Count) Overnight FREE Returns
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
Initial fasting "may" be beneficial to kick start your recovery from insulin resistance. But you can achieve the same results simply by removing carbs/sugar from your diet. Insulin reset generally takes 15 - 30 days. Once you're on a carb/sugar restricted diet, fasting just burns fat at a quicker pace.
The danger of just calorie restriction without your body's ability to efficiently burn stored fat is you can quickly lower your basal metabolic rate. In short, you won't lose any more weight and as soon as you get off the calorie restriction, insulin moves to convert food into into body fat once again. Welcome to the yoyo diet and the more you do it, the quicker your body lowers your basal metabolic rate.
The whole point to resetting your insulin sensitivity is to prevent high swings in insulin in relation to food intake. If you eat a low glycemic diet, you won't trigger the insulin/fat storage response and your body will more efficiently burn fat for additional energy. So you effortlessly shed pounds without hunger.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
I would like to pick up one of those too. Can you post a link or give the model and make so I get the same one please?
Amazon
Ketone Breath Analyzer Ketosis Breath Meter Portable Ketosis Breath Tester for Healthy Keep Fit with 10 Mouthpieces Brand: Anntoo 4.3 4.3 out of 5 stars 13 ratings Price: $49.87 ($49.87 / Count) Overnight FREE Returns
Thanks jc, just ordered mine for $39.88 CND which is $30.31 USD.
A lot of stuff was posted since I last posted yesterday, Salmonella was brought up again.
He was a badass outdoorsman and is a well known quality here on the fire. He had a struggle, got tough and overcame it. Is a badass again. Beating depression is the most impressive.
A lot of stuff was posted since I last posted yesterday, Salmonella was brought up again.
He was a badass outdoorsman and is a well known quality here on the fire. He had a struggle, got tough and overcame it. Is a badass again. Beating depression is the most impressive.
Kent
IMO everything he did was impressive. He did his research and educated himself. He followed a proven process and got his desired results. Which were outstanding! Its not rocket science. If you are one of the people that now feel the way he did. Do what he did and you will get results.
[quote=krp]This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
[quote=krp]"This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting."
Eating one meal a day (OMAD) or eating two meals a day in a specified eating window, Example 16-8, sixteen hours fasting and eating your two meals in the eight hour eating window is called Intermittent Fasting. 18-6 is another example of Intermittent Fasting. If your not sure of this, Google it. It is a very popular method of fasting.
If you have 11 minutes watch this. It explains everything about Fasting/Intermittent Fasting. Take it from a Doctor that specializes in Fasting and runs a very successful clinic on treating Diabetic patients and the obese.
[quote=krp]This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
[quote=krp]"This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting."
Eating one meal a day (OMAD) or eating two meals a day in a specified eating window, Example 16-8, sixteen hours fasting and eating your two meals in the eight hour eating window is called Intermittent Fasting. 18-6 is another example of Intermittent Fasting. If your not sure of this, Google it. It is a very popular method of fasting.
If you have 11 minutes watch this. It explains everything about Fasting/Intermittent Fasting. Take it from a Doctor that specializes in Fasting and runs a very successful clinic on treating Diabetic patients and the obese.
So what was it called before 5 years ago when folks ate twice a day?
First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?
There's not a real difference eating the first meal at 7am or 10am, it's not fasting.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
I do not have time to watch a 2+ hour podcast or a 44 minute podcast.
However, I do have an ok understanding of physiology. And I would like for someone to explain to me how fasting is supposed to work for losing weight. Fasting is about the worst thing to do to lose weight because the body is less likely to release stores when it perceives itself to be in a starvation situation.
The big insulin swings from not eating for 16+ hours to challenging your body with a large calorie load doesn't compute for weight loss.
How can it be "starving" if a person is feasting on their own bodyfat?
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
What is incorrect with my information besides your opinion of terminology.
It's funny you take offense at what I say and say nothing of the imagination of GR's bullchit. You lost control of this thread from the beginning when he posted.
You ex fat guys are the Johnny come latelys to body regulation knowledge... like someone finally killing an elk and telling someone that's kill 50 how to do it.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
What is incorrect with my information besides your opinion of terminology.
It's funny you take offense at what I say and say nothing of the imagination of GR's bullchit. You lost control of this thread from the beginning when he posted.
You ex fat guys are the Johnny come latelys to body regulation knowledge... like someone fibally killing an elk and telling someone that's kill 50 how to do it.
Kent
For Eight-Million years - the World was Round, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some pointy-head academics determined that, instead, "the World is Flat!" And built edifices in its honor, and punished the heretics.
But brave men understood that a Round World was, "a Truth that's time had come," and proved it.
For Eight-Million years - Humans and their immediate ancestors lived on Ketosis+Fasting, and no one cared. It was what it was.
Then, some point-head academics determined that "the 'every Three hour' baby food diet!" Was what man should eat, and built edifices in its honor, and punished the heretics.
But brave men understand that Ketosis+Fasting was, "a Truth that's time had come," and proved it.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
What is incorrect with my information besides your opinion of terminology.
It's funny you take offense at what I say and say nothing of the imagination of GR's bullchit. You lost control of this thread from the beginning when he posted.
You ex fat guys are the Johnny come latelys to body regulation knowledge... like someone finally killing an elk and telling someone that's kill 50 how to do it.
Kent
You are the one that got offended. It seems you just want to tell someone else they don't know what they are talking about when you haven't even reviewed the information being talked about. It's not just you and I wasn't trying to single you out. There's been so much childish posturing in this thread from the beginning I haven't tried to call out every offender.
What is wrong with your view is that you are only using the calories in VS calories out equations to solve. While it is true that you must burn more than you take in to lose weight, there are multiple body functions that can change the rate of calories burned part. Time restricted feeding is a way to change certain body functions that won't change if the same number of calories are consumed over a more extended time frame. It's not just cutting out a certain number of calories more by eating one meal or two rather than 3. It's causing the body to operate in such a way that the calories out of the equation is increased only by changing the time frame of the calories consumed part. That is why your opinion is wrong.
I'm 5 days into my switch from 16-8 to OMAD, my one meal a day has been (Steak, Ham, Eggs) alternating, with broccoli and salads. Got on the scale this morning, lost 9lbs in 5 days. Feeling great. Ketone breath meter says I'm right where I need to be.
Longbob posted this info earlier in this thread. Keto Meter (This is the one that I have been using. It is about $50.)
Keto Meter
Thanks for posting the info Longbob. The meter works well.
I would like to pick up one of those too. Can you post a link or give the model and make so I get the same one please?
Amazon
Ketone Breath Analyzer Ketosis Breath Meter Portable Ketosis Breath Tester for Healthy Keep Fit with 10 Mouthpieces Brand: Anntoo 4.3 4.3 out of 5 stars 13 ratings Price: $49.87 ($49.87 / Count) Overnight FREE Returns
krp, Everyone has the right to there own opinion. And I respect yours. I certainly do not take offense to anything that you have posted. You seem like a knowledgeable Fellow.
I just posted the video so people that are not familiar with Intermittent Fasting might learn what it is.
I get it, someone told you what it was.
"First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?"
If you want to continue believing what you were told that's fine with me. I'm not gonna try to change your mind. But if you or anyone else is really interested in knowing what Intermittent Fasting is, You can find out in 11 minutes.
If anyone is simply not interested then Don't watch the video. This information is only posted for those that are looking for some answers and want to know the truth. This is not for everyone. I'm not looking for converts. Just trying to help those that might need some help like I did.
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
[quote=krp]This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
[quote=krp]"This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting."
Eating one meal a day (OMAD) or eating two meals a day in a specified eating window, Example 16-8, sixteen hours fasting and eating your two meals in the eight hour eating window is called Intermittent Fasting. 18-6 is another example of Intermittent Fasting. If your not sure of this, Google it. It is a very popular method of fasting.
If you have 11 minutes watch this. It explains everything about Fasting/Intermittent Fasting. Take it from a Doctor that specializes in Fasting and runs a very successful clinic on treating Diabetic patients and the obese.
So what was it called before 5 years ago when folks ate twice a day?
First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?
There's not a real difference eating the first meal at 7am or 10am, it's not fasting.
Kent
Eating twice where I was from was called: Eating Normally lol
I started Intermittent Fasting 47 years ago my first fast was 30 days in that time period I ate 1 apple and one sandwich, nobody was calling it Intermittent Fasting, everyone I knew called it staving lol
[quote=krp]This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
[quote=krp]"This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting."
Eating one meal a day (OMAD) or eating two meals a day in a specified eating window, Example 16-8, sixteen hours fasting and eating your two meals in the eight hour eating window is called Intermittent Fasting. 18-6 is another example of Intermittent Fasting. If your not sure of this, Google it. It is a very popular method of fasting.
If you have 11 minutes watch this. It explains everything about Fasting/Intermittent Fasting. Take it from a Doctor that specializes in Fasting and runs a very successful clinic on treating Diabetic patients and the obese.
So what was it called before 5 years ago when folks ate twice a day?
First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?
There's not a real difference eating the first meal at 7am or 10am, it's not fasting.
Kent
Eating twice where I was from was called: Eating Normally lol
I started Intermittent Fasting 47 years ago my first fast was 30 days in that time period I ate 1 apple and one sandwich, nobody was calling it Intermittent Fasting, everyone I knew called it staving lol
I've fasted 3 days with only liquids but the whole point of that video was to show different studies that help determine the best window of feeding for a desired outcome. You can call it fasting or time restricted feeding or whatever, but the interesting part is that you can get good results without going days. There are good scientific studies that Professor Zimmerman discusses that will help keep you from fasting too long and reducing metabolism, and losing muscle, as well as very interesting studies that show how minor fluctuations in that specific feeding window each day can have dramatic effects.
I've asked a few others; did you watch the video or any of it?
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Isn't that the truth.
Lots of uneducated people here that do not know what they are talking about as they cut and paste GOOGLE BS!
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Sorry you got upset. I wasn't baiting you, just responding to you saying it simply amounted to a diet, as if caloric restriction was the only factor. If I got lost and you didn't say that, then I apologize.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Isn't that the truth.
Lots of uneducated people here that do not know what they are talking about as they cut and paste GOOGLE BS!
This is correct, same goes for diet. I was recently lectured by an overweight and full blown diabetic person that my lifestyle is not healthy even though we are the same age and I am not on any medicine, numbers are good, weight is good, and I have plenty of energy.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Sorry you got upset. I wasn't baiting you, just responding to you saying it simply amounted to a diet, as if caloric restriction was the only factor. If I got lost and you didn't say that, then I apologize.
I am not upset at all and just added in the sentence as a thought at the time so I can see how you thought it was intended for you.
Hell, even my own daughter's give me [bleep] about fasting even seeing the results
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Sorry you got upset. I wasn't baiting you, just responding to you saying it simply amounted to a diet, as if caloric restriction was the only factor. If I got lost and you didn't say that, then I apologize.
I am not upset at all and just added in the sentence as a thought at the time so I can see how you thought it was intended for you.
Hell, even my own daughter's give me [bleep] about fasting even seeing the results
krp, Everyone has the right to there own opinion. And I respect yours. I certainly do not take offense to anything that you have posted. You seem like a knowledgeable Fellow.
I just posted the video so people that are not familiar with Intermittent Fasting might learn what it is.
I get it, someone told you what it was.
"First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?"
If you want to continue believing what you were told that's fine with me. I'm not gonna try to change your mind. But if you or anyone else is really interested in knowing what Intermittent Fasting is, You can find out in 11 minutes.
If anyone is simply not interested then Don't watch the video. This information is only posted for those that are looking for some answers and want to know the truth. This is not for everyone. I'm not looking for converts. Just trying to help those that might need some help like I did.
I've already said I eat twice a day mostly, had been before the term intermediate fasting, also real fasting. The 'huh' was about the term 'fasting' used in it. Started when I broke my leg badly guiding an elk hunt in 2009, 52 years old, I was laid up for 3 months, there was no reason to eat 3 meals, ate at 10ish and 5ish. Wife and I got used to it, exceptions were when I have the grandkids and make 3 meals, heavy work or hunting days.
For the first time in my life I hit over 150lbs, I always wanted to be in the 160s and tried everything to get over 145.
Real fasting I started after my injury healed. Had long conversations with Ken Howell over 10 years ago about the health benefits depending on the lengths. Not being overweight we didn't dwell on that but it's obvious, don't eat lose weight.
I'm 42 hours into a fast I will end tonight or tomorrow morning.
The issue I have with the term IF, I've already said here also... on one end it's eat in an 8 hour period unrestricted/eat anything... and on the other fast for 7 days on electrolytes and water while backpack hunting at the same time, and anything in between... from what has been said here.
There is no consistency or agreement on what is delayed eating and what is fasting and way to much hyperbole.
At least with Atkins and Keto it's straight forward.
This is what you guys quoted from me, taking out the part about fasting terminology... it's what someone can understand and from real world experience...
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
My take is that you won't change your take unless you take the time to listen to the information provided and even do some more research on your own.
All of us only know what we know and being able to look at evidence and change your mind is a good thing, no matter what the subject, at least when it's credible information. It's a bit too cynical to claim the only credible information is your own preconceived opinion. That goes for me and everyone else on every subject.
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by RDW
Where God Builds Disciples
What is Fasting?
Fasting, abstention from food, and often also from drink, for a longer than usual period. Fasting has been practiced for centuries in connection with religious ceremonies. Fasts are observed among Christians, Jews, Muslims, Confucianists, Hindus, Taoists, Jainists, and adherents of other religious faiths. Although Buddhism stresses moderation in eating rather than fasting, Buddhists in some countries, notably Tibet, observe certain fasts.
Originally, fasting was one of a number of rites in which physical activities were reduced or suspended, resulting in a state of quiescence comparable, symbolically, to death, or to the state preceding birth. Fasts were also part of the fertility rites in primitive ceremonies. Many of these ceremonies were held at the vernal and autumnal equinoxes and survived for centuries. Some scholars connect the symbolic use of matzo, or unleavened bread, by the Jews during the spring festival of Pesach, or Passover, with these early origins. Traces of these ancient rites are found also in the fast observed by many Christians during Lent as a preparation for Easter.
Closely associated with fasts to induce fertility were fasts intended to avert catastrophe or to serve as penance for sin. Native North Americans held tribal fasts to avert threatening disasters. The Native Americans of Mexico and the Incas of Peru observed penitential fasts to appease their gods. Among the peoples of the Old World, the Assyrians and the Babylonians especially, and others to a lesser extent, observed fasts as a form of penance. Among Jews, fasting as a form of penitence and purification has been observed annually on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, since its traditional designation by Moses. On this holy day neither food nor drink is permitted. The fast by day, but not after dark, observed by Muslims during the month of Ramadan also is a form of atonement.
The early Christians associated fasting with penitence and purification (see Matthew 6:16; Mark 9:29). During the first two centuries of its existence, the Christian church established fasting as a voluntary preparation for receiving the sacraments of Holy Communion and baptism and for the ordination of priests. Later, these fasts became obligatory, as did others subsequently added. In the 6th century the Lenten fast was expanded from its original 40 hours, the time spent by Christ in the grave, to 40 days, on each of which only one meal was permitted. After the Reformation, fasting was retained by most Protestant churches and was made optional in some cases. Stricter Protestants like the Puritans, however, condemned not only the festivals of the church, but its traditional fasts as well. The Orthodox church observes fasts rigorously.
I don't disagree with any of that at first glance, but I fail to see your point, or if indeed you have a point. All I can glean from that post is that possibly your stance is that everything there is to know about fasting is already known. It would equate to you saying, "I know all there is to know about it, and you can't tell me anything I don't already know." If that's your stance, then so be it but I fail to see how proclaiming it can benefit anyone, or any good purpose. If I am mistaken, then please accept my apology and help me to understand your point.
If you simply want to argue what the word fast means, then you must also consider that biblically a fast could also be a restriction of sex or in one passage the abstinence of any good thing. There is no reason for that however because the very title of the thread dictates a specific kind or duration of fast, which is rereferred to as "IM Fasting."
Hope you are having a good day.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
Sorry you got upset. I wasn't baiting you, just responding to you saying it simply amounted to a diet, as if caloric restriction was the only factor. If I got lost and you didn't say that, then I apologize.
I am not upset at all and just added in the sentence as a thought at the time so I can see how you thought it was intended for you.
Hell, even my own daughter's give me [bleep] about fasting even seeing the results
My apologies. I'm sure my astonishment at such resistance to simple scientific information has made me less than objective by now in this thread. I should not have allowed that frustration to color my interpretation of what you said and be so snarky. I seem to be rapidly transforming into the grouchy old man, no matter how much I tell myself not to.
krp, Everyone has the right to there own opinion. And I respect yours. I certainly do not take offense to anything that you have posted. You seem like a knowledgeable Fellow.
I just posted the video so people that are not familiar with Intermittent Fasting might learn what it is.
I get it, someone told you what it was.
"First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?"
If you want to continue believing what you were told that's fine with me. I'm not gonna try to change your mind. But if you or anyone else is really interested in knowing what Intermittent Fasting is, You can find out in 11 minutes.
If anyone is simply not interested then Don't watch the video. This information is only posted for those that are looking for some answers and want to know the truth. This is not for everyone. I'm not looking for converts. Just trying to help those that might need some help like I did.
I've already said I eat twice a day mostly, had been before the term intermediate fasting, also real fasting. The 'huh' was about the term 'fasting' used in it. Started when I broke my leg badly guiding an elk hunt in 2009, 52 years old, I was laid up for 3 months, there was no reason to eat 3 meals, ate at 10ish and 5ish. Wife and I got used to it, exceptions were when I have the grandkids and make 3 meals, heavy work or hunting days.
For the first time in my life I hit over 150lbs, I always wanted to be in the 160s and tried everything to get over 145.
Real fasting I started after my injury healed. Had long conversations with Ken Howell over 10 years ago about the health benefits depending on the lengths. Not being overweight we didn't dwell on that but it's obvious, don't eat lose weight.
I'm 42 hours into a fast I will end tonight or tomorrow morning.
The issue I have with the term IF, I've already said here also... on one end it's eat in an 8 hour period unrestricted/eat anything... and on the other fast for 7 days on electrolytes and water while backpack hunting at the same time, and anything in between... from what has been said here.
There is no consistency or agreement on what is delayed eating and what is fasting and way to much hyperbole.
At least with Atkins and Keto it's straight forward.
This is what you guys quoted from me, taking out the part about fasting terminology... it's what someone can understand and from real world experience...
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
Kent
Agreed, I just wanted people to know that there are many different ways you can fast, call it what you like. the point is that it can be very beneficial for those that need some help shedding some weight and getting healthy. There has been a lot of information posted here in this thread. Some more accurate than others, I'm sure with good intensions. That's why I posted the video's I did. Hearing it explained by a Doctor in such a way that most folks can understand, seems to make things easier imo.
Fasting without eliminating carbs and sugar is a waste of time.
That's like telling a crack addict that two days of sobriety will make a difference in their addiction.
Although that might depend on why you are fasting.
It's not terrible for somebody who is overweight to incorporate some fasting in their diet plan just to get the pounds off through food intake reduction, as it does result in lower calorie consumption each week. A muscle-sparing protein fast has been used by lots of folks who have let their waistlines get a bit out of control. They might have a day where they skip breakfast, have a protein shake for lunch, and then have a small meal at night. Doing that a few times a week will help pull fat off and can even keep it in check when you reach your goals. Simply a planned calorie restriction.
Fasting without eliminating carbs and sugar is a waste of time.
That's like telling a crack addict that two days of sobriety will make a difference in their addiction.
Although that might depend on why you are fasting.
It's not terrible for somebody who is overweight to incorporate some fasting in their diet plan just to get the pounds off through food intake reduction, as it does result in lower calorie consumption each week. A muscle-sparing protein fast has been used by lots of folks who have let their waistlines get a bit out of control. They might have a day where they skip breakfast, have a protein shake for lunch, and then have a small meal at night. Doing that a few times a week will help pull fat off and can even keep it in check when you reach your goals. Simply a planned calorie restriction.
As the saying goes "There are many ways to skin a cat". Some ways work faster and better than others, Intermittent Fasting is a Lifestyle, it is not a diet.
What you are describing is a diet, which works very well for people that want to drop a few LBS.
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
“Serious Muscle Loss Is a Possible Side Effect of Keto
“Muscle loss on the ketogenic diet is an ongoing area of research,” says Edwina Clark, RD, a dietitian in private practice in San Francisco. “Small studies suggest that people on the ketogenic diet lose muscle even when they continue resistance training. This may be related to the fact that protein alone is less effective for muscle building than protein and carbohydrates together after exercise.” Meanwhile, according to one small study, published in the March 2018 issue of Sports, people who followed the keto diet for three months lost about the same amount of body fat and had about the same muscle mass changes as people following normal diets. Yet the folks on keto did lose more leg muscle.”
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
RHClark,
Now you are gonna have to go back and edit the title of this post to, IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity and your period. LOL
[quote=krp]This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting.
If you can eat twice a day and actually remove a meal's worth of calories, that's a diet and you can lose weight, like any calorie reduction diet. If you just cram 3 meals into 2 and say the difference of not eating from 6pm to 6am vs 6pm to 10am or even noon is substantial... it's a no.
If you can eat two normal meals a day, eating less carbs and sugars you will lose more weight than eating high carb and sugar.
None of this is new but being sold as it is.
Fasting is different, more a cleansing with weight benefits if overweight. Fasting is a sleep, full day, sleep. It can be extended depending on what you want to accomplish... again this is nothing new.
Your activity level will determine how many calories you need, carbs and sugars. Whether you eat once a day or 6.
[quote=krp]"This is my take... delayed eating, if you eat at least once a day isn't fasting and for sure eating twice a day isn't fasting."
Eating one meal a day (OMAD) or eating two meals a day in a specified eating window, Example 16-8, sixteen hours fasting and eating your two meals in the eight hour eating window is called Intermittent Fasting. 18-6 is another example of Intermittent Fasting. If your not sure of this, Google it. It is a very popular method of fasting.
If you have 11 minutes watch this. It explains everything about Fasting/Intermittent Fasting. Take it from a Doctor that specializes in Fasting and runs a very successful clinic on treating Diabetic patients and the obese.
So what was it called before 5 years ago when folks ate twice a day?
First time I heard the term intermediate fasting about then and was told it was eating twice a day, delaying the first meal to 10am... I was like huh? fasting?
There's not a real difference eating the first meal at 7am or 10am, it's not fasting.
Kent
Eating twice where I was from was called: Eating Normally lol
I started Intermittent Fasting 47 years ago my first fast was 30 days in that time period I ate 1 apple and one sandwich, nobody was calling it Intermittent Fasting, everyone I knew called it staving lol
I've fasted 3 days with only liquids but the whole point of that video was to show different studies that help determine the best window of feeding for a desired outcome. You can call it fasting or time restricted feeding or whatever, but the interesting part is that you can get good results without going days. There are good scientific studies that Professor Zimmerman discusses that will help keep you from fasting too long and reducing metabolism, and losing muscle, as well as very interesting studies that show how minor fluctuations in that specific feeding window each day can have dramatic effects.
I've asked a few others; did you watch the video or any of it?
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
“Serious Muscle Loss Is a Possible Side Effect of Keto
“Muscle loss on the ketogenic diet is an ongoing area of research,” says Edwina Clark, RD, a dietitian in private practice in San Francisco. “Small studies suggest that people on the ketogenic diet lose muscle even when they continue resistance training. This may be related to the fact that protein alone is less effective for muscle building than protein and carbohydrates together after exercise.” Meanwhile, according to one small study, published in the March 2018 issue of Sports, people who followed the keto diet for three months lost about the same amount of body fat and had about the same muscle mass changes as people following normal diets. Yet the folks on keto did lose more leg muscle.”
Hey Ricky, remember you posted the picture of me and said I look like an older menopausal woman?
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
Hey you stupid fugking clam, thanks for proving me right and posting some charred meat in the cooking forum.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
Glad you didn't have to use the Quickeze. Sounds good. Keep us posted.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
One of the reasons I fast is it gets rid of acid reflux for me, long enough for me to forget I can have it, till it hits again.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
One of the reasons I fast is it gets rid of acid reflux for me, long enough for me to forget I can have it, till it hits again.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
One of the reasons I fast is it gets rid of acid reflux for me, long enough for me to forget I can have it, till it hits again.
Kent
krp, have you ever done a colon or liver cleanse?
Like an enema? no... I usually chit three times a day, if I eat corn for dinner I'm chitting corn when I wake up at 4... I'm not joking.
Drinking a bunch of water is also, I drink all day long especially at work, even in the heat I'm pissing clear and often. My first tumbler of the work day is with electrolytes and just water after. Coffee at home before I leave.
My point is fasting is not a new concept, not detrimental to human health and not even close to starving as the opponents often state.
I am really thinking Fung is correct when he stated don't even tell people you are fasting....this thread is a perfect example.
May be of interest to someone.
The last three nights I haven't had the acid burn in the guts when I went to bed. Last night as an experiment I had a large rump steak covered in potato bake, something that is generally guaranteed to be uncomfortable and require the use of Quickeze to allow sleep.
Apart from being over full there was no issue, and no it doesn't prove or mean anything. So for the fun of it this coming weekend I am going to do 24 hours and see what the difference is between that and 32 hours, apart from time.
Could be any number of reasons for the change...in another three weeks I should have a better picture.
One of the reasons I fast is it gets rid of acid reflux for me, long enough for me to forget I can have it, till it hits again.
Kent
krp, have you ever done a colon or liver cleanse?
Like an enema? no... I usually chit three times a day, if I eat corn for dinner I'm chitting corn when I wake up at 4... I'm not joking.
Kent
No, not an enema, but according to Rick they feel great lol, never had one myself.
Your Liver and Colon Health are paramount to your overall health and well-being, I do a liver cleanse once a year and a colon cleanse on a regular basis.
One of the main reasons for Acid Reflux has to do with colon issues, most people do not know this. Before I started doing colon cleanses, I had acid reflux and heartburn often, suffered greatly, and was eating lots of antacid tablets like candy.
Upon doing colon cleanses 21 years ago, the acid reflux STOPPED IMMEDIATELY, and I am happy to say that I never have heartburn anymore, and have not eaten antacid tablets in 20 years.
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
Hey you stupid fugking clam, thanks for proving me right and posting some charred meat in the cooking forum.
Alwaysatwat is just here to be a complete dick. Just like on every sub forum.
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
Hey you stupid fugking clam, thanks for proving me right and posting some charred meat in the cooking forum.
Alwaysatwat is just here to be a complete dick. Just like on every sub forum.
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
Hey you stupid fugking clam, thanks for proving me right and posting some charred meat in the cooking forum.
Alwaysatwat is just here to be a complete dick. Just like on every sub forum.
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
🤣😂🤣
How’s John and the kids? LOL
alwaysoutdoors, Ricky posted this about you:
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
Maybe he was looking in the mirror and speaking about himself?
Anyone notice ‘Muglia burns his meat? Photos are the proof. He doesn’t eat meat besides you know what. LOL
Bad news for the midget clown, alwaysatwat… Your Period on Keto Might Undergo Some Changes
“Periods may become irregular or completely stop on the keto diet,” says Yawitz. “This is more due to rapid weight loss than the diet itself and happens because of drops in gonadotropin-releasing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, estrogen, and progesterone.”
Long-term disruption of menstruation can bring on serious side effects, including low bone density. “This is because estrogen is very important to bone health,” says Yawitz. “Studies have also found that prolonged menstrual irregularity increases risk for cardiovascular disease, depression, anxiety, and sexual dysfunction. It’s important to contact your ob-gyn if your cycles become irregular or if you stop having periods.”
Hey you stupid fugking clam, thanks for proving me right and posting some charred meat in the cooking forum.
Alwaysatwat is just here to be a complete dick. Just like on every sub forum.
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
🤣😂🤣
How’s John and the kids? LOL
alwaysoutdoors, Ricky posted this about you:
Nothing to add to the topic, nothing to discuss about the topic
He comes by it honestly; born a worthless piece of schidt and just can’t help it. Genetics
Maybe he was looking in the mirror and speaking about himself?
A pretty ignorant guy in his own right!
lol
Ricky can only add to the topic if the topic is Ricky. LMAO
Hey Ricky, this picture you posted below, is by far and without a doubt the gayest picture I have ever seen posted on a hunting forum, the weight training pictures come in as 2nd and 3rd place.
I also noticed that you color your hair, what next, a picture of you in your Pink Garter Belt?
Interesting way to out yourself, not that there is anything wrong with coming out of the closet my friend.
Picked up some keto tips on the thread so far. Definitely getting one of those meters. I stay pretty much keto most the time, take a few breaks just low carb, then occasionally totally leave the reservation.
You guys have any recommendations on keto booster supplements that have worked for you>? BHB Ketone supplement type mixes. THanks....
Hey Ricky, this picture you posted below, is by far and without a doubt the gayest picture I have ever seen posted on a hunting forum, the weight training pictures come in as 2nd and 3rd place.
I also noticed that you color your hair, what next, a picture of you in your Pink Garter Belt?
Interesting way to out yourself, not that there is anything wrong with coming out of the closet my friend.
That’s actually a photo I sent to The Classic Metal Show as a thank you to Chris and Nealy for sending me the shirt. I sent them Black Olives Matter shirts in trade before they interviewed me for an hour, live on their show. I didn’t post it here, but my campfire fans, who are complete jealous nobodies like you, dug it up from the hundreds on the net
I’m not into making your homoerotic fantasies reality, so get the garter deal off your mind, pillow biter
Here’s one for your spank bank though…
“Rick is a true "gun guy." He also happens to be one of the most accomplished Sporting Clays and FITASC shooters in the world. Rick is a long-time Browning shooter with multiple sporting clays titles, nearly all won with Browning autoloading shotguns. A short list of his victories includes:
Multiple National and Regional FITASC Championships, Nine-time New Mexico State Champion, Two-time HOA Arizona State Champion and two-time HOA Colorado State Champion. He is also an eight time NSCA All-American Team member.”
That’s actually a photo I sent to The Classic Metal Show as a thank you to Chris and Nealy for sending me the shirt. I sent them Black Olives Matter shirts in trade before they interviewed me for an hour, live on their show. I didn’t post it here, but my campfire fans, who are complete jealous nobodies like you, dug it up from the hundreds on the net
I’m not into making your homoerotic fantasies reality, so get the garter deal off your mind, pillow biter
Here’s one for your spank bank though…
“Rick is a true "gun guy." He also happens to be one of the most accomplished Sporting Clays and FITASC shooters in the world. Rick is a long-time Browning shooter with multiple sporting clays titles, nearly all won with Browning autoloading shotguns. A short list of his victories includes:
Multiple National and Regional FITASC Championships, Nine-time New Mexico State Champion, Two-time HOA Arizona State Champion and two-time HOA Colorado State Champion. He is also an eight time NSCA All-American Team member.”
Who Cares, now get back in the Kitchen and Rustle us up some diner Elly May, if you don't burn the garlic this time we will all pitch in and give you a nice tip.
Who Cares, now get back in the Kitchen and Rustle us up some diner Elly May, if you don't burn the garlic this time we will all pitch in and give you a nice tip.lol
rcamuglia, good one. LOL. I could care less. feel free to post all the cock pic's you want. It's all in good fun.
I was just wondering if they let you go because they found out that you were a Dick.
I hope you get that job back, Good Luck.
He will never get hired back.
For years Browning was letting it slide when male skeet shooters were complaining about Rick's extended tight hugs on the range when they shot a 25.
It all came to a head when one shooter complained that when he gave him one of his special long hugs, he stuck his tongue in his ear.
When Browning brought him into the office to discuss the complaint, Rick said he was only trying to get a Mosquito out of the shooter's ear. Nobody bought it and he got his walking papers.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
😂😂😂
When you ruin a great thread, and decent members start calling you a Dick, you may just be a complete Dickhead
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
The Keto+Fasting process is pretty simple.
Been around a long time, Eight-Million years... and counting.
So I tend to keep it that way.
Figure: - Wear-n-Tear (protein) ~ 0.75-1.0 g./lb. Lean Body Mass - Net Carbs < 20 g. (keto) - Estimated Energy Requirement-calories (fat)
Then build daily Intermittent Fasting (18/6) meal plans (breakfast/dinner) for different meats.
... which, based on the primary protein and Net Carbs specs, are usually well under the EER Calorie requirement.
And it works great.
Always in ketosis.
Health, Energy, Strength, Endurance, and a 1/4 lb./day fat loss, if extra dietary fat is not added to make EER.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
I would say somewhere between 10 and 20 on the meter. I seem to stay between about 6 to 15 most days. It is definitely going the right direction. My weight/size has been pretty consistent for a couple of decades, but I decided to make a big push for a muscular lean body. Not all that easy at near 60, but I definitely see the improvements.
My exercise routine has generally been pretty good, but my schedule with travel, racing, and hunting don't allow me to find a time to exercise that followed a disciplined path. Modification of what I ate was the best solution in my opinion because it would work 24/7 if I stayed the course which I have. It took away a lot of my guilty feelings of missing a workout.
The weight is coming off slowly which isn't an issue because I am replacing the bad fat with good muscle. I am not a mirror or photo guy, but I wish I took some before pics. I walk by the mirror some days and I can't believe that I actually look like I do now. My wife has been complimenting me a lot as have the people at work, but I have been discounting them for being kind. I guess they are right because I finally had to order new jeans and my suit clothes look pathetic on me now.
I had a 30" waist in high school and was far less muscular. I ordered several pairs of 32" jeans in anticipation that I would fit into them in a month or so. Actually ordered some 33" jeans to wear now, but I have to send them back because the 32" fit me now. Holy smokes this is coming together well.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
I would say somewhere between 10 and 20 on the meter. I seem to stay between about 6 to 15 most days. It is definitely going the right direction. My weight/size has been pretty consistent for a couple of decades, but I decided to make a big push for a muscular lean body. Not all that easy at near 60, but I definitely see the improvements.
My exercise routine has generally been pretty good, but my schedule with travel, racing, and hunting don't allow me to find a time to exercise that followed a disciplined path. Modification of what I ate was the best solution in my opinion because it would work 24/7 if I stayed the course which I have. It took away a lot of my guilty feelings of missing a workout.
The weight is coming off slowly which isn't an issue because I am replacing the bad fat with good muscle. I am not a mirror or photo guy, but I wish I took some before pics. I walk by the mirror some days and I can't believe that I actually look like I do now. My wife has been complimenting me a lot as have the people at work, but I have been discounting them for being kind. I guess they are right because I finally had to order new jeans and my suit clothes look pathetic on me now.
I had a 30" waist in high school and was far less muscular. I ordered several pairs of 32" jeans in anticipation that I would fit into them in a month or so. Actually ordered some 33" jeans to wear now, but I have to send them back because the 32" fit me now. Holy smokes this is coming together well.
Thanks longbob, so lets say this,
What would you expect to lose if your reading was consistently @ 6, in a week's time?
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
I would say somewhere between 10 and 20 on the meter. I seem to stay between about 6 to 15 most days. It is definitely going the right direction. My weight/size has been pretty consistent for a couple of decades, but I decided to make a big push for a muscular lean body. Not all that easy at near 60, but I definitely see the improvements.
My exercise routine has generally been pretty good, but my schedule with travel, racing, and hunting don't allow me to find a time to exercise that followed a disciplined path. Modification of what I ate was the best solution in my opinion because it would work 24/7 if I stayed the course which I have. It took away a lot of my guilty feelings of missing a workout.
The weight is coming off slowly which isn't an issue because I am replacing the bad fat with good muscle. I am not a mirror or photo guy, but I wish I took some before pics. I walk by the mirror some days and I can't believe that I actually look like I do now. My wife has been complimenting me a lot as have the people at work, but I have been discounting them for being kind. I guess they are right because I finally had to order new jeans and my suit clothes look pathetic on me now.
I had a 30" waist in high school and was far less muscular. I ordered several pairs of 32" jeans in anticipation that I would fit into them in a month or so. Actually ordered some 33" jeans to wear now, but I have to send them back because the 32" fit me now. Holy smokes this is coming together well.
Thanks longbob, so lets say this,
What would you expect to lose if your reading was consistently @ 6, in a week's time?
That is a tough one to estimate, but I think about a 1/2 lb per week for me. May not sound like much, but I am exchanging fat for muscle. Far more protein in my system to compliment my workouts.
IF combined with Keto has worked very effectively for me with taking off weight.
Another side benefit, that I have slowly come to realize is that once I have been in "ketosis" for a week or so, my knees feel "stronger" and I can more readily go down stairs without feeling any pain. This may be due in part to the diet, rich in Omega-3s, and mostly devoid of inflammation initiators. But it also may be due to increased stem cell production from the combination of low carbs and IF. I'm just glad the minor pain is gone right now, and that I'm approaching my target weight fairly quickly.
Keto or even just low carb drastically cuts down on your water weight and inflammation in your body. Now, we are finding out that inflammation might be at the heart of everything from cancer to heart disease but it has more obvious benefits. Your joints will be drastically better without the inflammation.
IF combined with Keto has worked very effectively for me with taking off weight.
Another side benefit, that I have slowly come to realize is that once I have been in "ketosis" for a week or so, my knees feel "stronger" and I can more readily go down stairs without feeling any pain. This may be due in part to the diet, rich in Omega-3s, and mostly devoid of inflammation initiators. But it also may be due to increased stem cell production from the combination of low carbs and IF. I'm just glad the minor pain is gone right now, and that I'm approaching my target weight fairly quickly.
IF and low carb had the same effect on my knees and back. I hesitate to even use the word Keto because so many on Keto only look at carbs with no regard to healthy complete nutrition. Good low carb nutrition combines with a low inflammation diet can do wonders.
When I started, I was on 4 Lortab 10's a day and getting 4 injections every 3 months for bad knees and hip joints. I've not had any injections or pain meds in 5 years.
IF combined with Keto has worked very effectively for me with taking off weight.
Another side benefit, that I have slowly come to realize is that once I have been in "ketosis" for a week or so, my knees feel "stronger" and I can more readily go down stairs without feeling any pain. This may be due in part to the diet, rich in Omega-3s, and mostly devoid of inflammation initiators. But it also may be due to increased stem cell production from the combination of low carbs and IF. I'm just glad the minor pain is gone right now, and that I'm approaching my target weight fairly quickly.
That's for sure me too, all my inflammation issues related to old football and other injuries have been resolved.
I can run up and down the stairs again without the nagging, pain in the butt knee pain, feels great!
Keto or even just low carb drastically cuts down on your water weight and inflammation in your body. Now, we are finding out that inflammation might be at the heart of everything from cancer to heart disease but it has more obvious benefits. Your joints will be drastically better without the inflammation.
The constant release of insulin every time someone consumes processed or high sugar foods is a major cause of inflammation. Inflammation is the root cause of the top 5 deadly diseases in the USA. Low carb combines with IF will minimize insulin release.
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
😂😂😂
Correct.
Absolutely !
Him, or Travis !
Paul you might want to give IF a try, as mentioned it helps with inflammation and will help you with the nasty bags under your eyes, may even stimulate some new hair growth to assist you with your advanced balding issue!
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
Well knowing my body the only way I will see my abs is to get that low. If you saw the picture Salmonella posted of him in the boat, that is the look I am going for.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
Well knowing my body the only way I will see my abs is to get that low. If you saw the picture Salmonella posted of him in the boat, that is the look I am going for.
5-10% is dang low. Many coaches that train bodybuilders will tell you that walking around at 10-15% is still considered rather lean and athletic by most male standards. Hormones and energy levels can stay livable at those levels also.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
😂😂😂
When you ruin a great thread, and decent members start calling you a Dick, you may just be a complete Dickhead
😂😂😂
Meh, I don't think Rick's necessarily wrong, or being anymore of a dick, than others.
He's not fat, nor has he been !
So, what ever he's doing, is working for him.
As it is for Kent & myself, & others that won't come to mind.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
😂😂😂
When you ruin a great thread, and decent members start calling you a Dick, you may just be a complete Dickhead
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Meh, I don't think Rick's necessarily wrong, or being anymore of a dick, than others.
He's not fat, nor has he been !
So, what ever he's doing, is working for him.
As it is for Kent & myself, & others that won't come to mind.
YMMV !
Meh, I'll stick with a low-carb Intermittent Fasting lifestyle.
I do not believe I am necessarily wrong either Paul, your diet isn't helping you, unless you think you look like the picture of health? I don't.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
When you’re asking happy camper for advice, you might be a complete moron
😂😂😂
When you ruin a great thread, and decent members start calling you a Dick, you may just be a complete Dickhead
😂😂😂
Meh, I don't think Rick's necessarily wrong, or being anymore of a dick, than others.
He's not fat, nor has he been !
So, what ever he's doing, is working for him.
As it is for Kent & myself, & others that won't come to mind.
YMMV !
There is not a one size fits all program, but there are things that seem to be common across the board with a lot that has been written here. I know what has worked for me and continues to work. Simply looking at the results isn't enough for me. I feel it is best to monitor in various ways what it is doing to my body like with the meters and blood test results.
Only exercising very hard and throwing caution to the wind diet wise may give a person a false sense of security. Jim Fixx the famous runner and author of "The Complete Book of Running" that was so popular died of a heart attack at age 52 while he was running. His history of smoking and poor eating before he had an epiphany contributed to it I am certain. To each his own, but I prefer to not do this blindly without using the things that are available to me today.
5-10% is dang low. Many coaches that train bodybuilders will tell you that walking around at 10-15% is still considered rather lean and athletic by most male standards. Hormones and energy levels can stay livable at those levels also.
"Bodybuilding coaches..."
Health and Fitness coach:
Take a fit and healthy 200 lb. man who is on Keto+Fasting, with a 10% LBMI.
That's 20 lbs. of stored subcutaneous body fat. (on top of the high protein and fat Keto diet.)
A balanced Keto diet consumes no stored fat/day.
A reduced calorie Keto diet will consume ~ 1/8-1/4 lb./day of fat.
Fasting will consume ~ 3/4 lb./day of fat.
Even 3% LBMI is healthy for men, just ask any competitive gymnast.
5-10% is dang low. Many coaches that train bodybuilders will tell you that walking around at 10-15% is still considered rather lean and athletic by most male standards. Hormones and energy levels can stay livable at those levels also.
"Bodybuilding coaches..."
Health and Fitness coach:
Take a 200 lb. man with a 10% LBMI, who is on Keto+Fasting.
That's 20 lbs. of stored subcutaneous body fat. (on top of the high protein and fat Keto diet.)
A balanced Keto diet consumes no stored fat/day.
A reduced calorie Keto diet will consume ~ 1/8-1/4 lb./day of fat.
Fasting will consume ~ 3/4 lb./day of fat.
Even 3% LBMI is healthy for men, just ask any competitive gymnast.
So do the math.
GR
I'm not sure of percentages, but a healthy human should have at least several days' worth of body fat to burn in emergency. If you are so lean that you have to burn muscle if you skip a few meals, you aren't that healthy.
5-10% is dang low. Many coaches that train bodybuilders will tell you that walking around at 10-15% is still considered rather lean and athletic by most male standards. Hormones and energy levels can stay livable at those levels also.
"Bodybuilding coaches..."
Health and Fitness coach:
Take a 200 lb. man with a 10% LBMI, who is on Keto+Fasting.
That's 20 lbs. of stored subcutaneous body fat. (on top of the high protein and fat Keto diet.)
A balanced Keto diet consumes no stored fat/day.
A reduced calorie Keto diet will consume ~ 1/8-1/4 lb./day of fat.
Fasting will consume ~ 3/4 lb./day of fat.
Even 3% LBMI is healthy for men, just ask any competitive gymnast.
So do the math.
GR
I'm not sure of percentages, but a healthy human should have at least several days' worth of body fat to burn in emergency. If you are so lean that you have to burn muscle if you skip a few meals, you aren't that healthy.
Even a healthy, cut, 3% LBMI on a 160 lb. man is almost 5 lbs. of fat.
1% LBMI would be a pound and a half.
So, from 3% down to 1% would be (5.0-1.5)/0.75 ~ 4.5 days of high activity fasting.
From a 5% LBMI, it would be 8.5 days.
Not much of a problem, even in the primitive world.
The body takes muscle protein, as an energy source... last.
Well, I just got my Ketone Meter, tested it I was at 16 PPM.
Looks like you have to be in the 30 to 40 Range to be in High Ketosis and high-fat burning mode?
That is a good number especially if you feel you are in a sustainable diet/activity level. It has been my experience that it is easier to get the higher numbers in the beginning phases of fat reduction and materially harder to get those numbers for the last few pounds of fat. I imagine that the ketones being measured are like smoke from a fire. There is more smoke (ketones) with more wood (fat) being burned. That is why I need to shake up my methods to keep up the numbers.
I haven't done any of the intermittent fasting, but I will explore that if things stop improving on my end. Too low of a number only frustrates me a little. Too high of a number bothers me a lot more if I am borderline in ketoacidosis. No bueno. Another reason I think monitoring is important for me.
Life for me is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. The results have been a huge motivator over missing some of the things I enjoyed eating in the past. I saw a good video interview on Dr. Atkins many years ago. The interviewer asked him why he promoted a high fat diet and wouldn't something similar to the South Beach diet be better. Dr. Atkins response was honest and based on reality in my opinion.
He readily agreed that something like the South Beach diet would be a "healthier" option, but it was worthless if people wouldn't stick with it. He said he doesn't promote a "high fat diet." He said he promotes a diet that would work and gave better odds that people could stick with it long term which tasting good helped a lot in his experience. He was all about the overall success rate.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
Well knowing my body the only way I will see my abs is to get that low. If you saw the picture Salmonella posted of him in the boat, that is the look I am going for.
I'm 6'2 I fluctuate between 193 and 200 lbs under my strict diet I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I was so freaking miserable when I was heavy. It was bad. Depressed, unhappy, miserable. Being lean and fit is as much psychological as it is physical. It's self esteem. Women look at me and talk to me always smiling. It feels good.
Nothing in my life has been more beneficial to my overall well being than being in shape.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
Something’s not adding up with these measurements. A quick search indicates that elite runners typically have 8% body fat and NBA players around 13%. Another poster factors in LBMI, which seems like mixing apples and oranges. 5% body fat seems like an unrealistic number for a healthy human adult. Maybe folks are referring to different measures????
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
He appears to be slipping, I know this has been a long thread. I think he's getting tired. I'm shocked that he posted a picture of his boyfriend with his favorite purple toy. I would have thought that he would have keep that one a secret. You know, for his eyes only. I guess I was wrong.
He did Eleven Reps! the other day.
... so he's recovering.
An "every Three hour" baby food diet will do that for you.
Good thing the internet can't post the smell.
Ha!
GR
Too bad 1 person can destroy a thread that many other people that were not even posting in, and were learning from hey GR?
I have a question for you (or someone that knows):
What exact Keto number should you be at to ensure constant Fat burn without getting excessive with the meter I purchased? It will be here tomorrow.
My goal is to get to 5% body fat.
Thanks
Is 5% even a healthy goal? I wouldn't be too focused on body fat percentages. I would rather gauge my process on fitness level goals than body fat percentages. Measure progress in reps, miles, or any gauge you wish but the mirror should be the last one IMHO.
I've heard some of the ripped models speak about the difficulty of reaching that extremely ripped body that is now considered healthy. Many complained that they would have to starve to the point where they could barely even lift light weights to get pumped before a photo shoot.
Well knowing my body the only way I will see my abs is to get that low. If you saw the picture Salmonella posted of him in the boat, that is the look I am going for.
I'm 6'2 I fluctuate between 193 and 200 lbs under my strict diet I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I was so freaking miserable when I was heavy. It was bad. Depressed, unhappy, miserable. Being lean and fit is as much psychological as it is physical. It's self esteem. Women look at me and talk to me always smiling. It feels good.
Nothing in my life has been more beneficial to my overall well being than being in shape.
I am really impressed with your achievement Salmonella you look AWESOME! What did you weigh at your heaviest?
I am 6" tall, I am shooting for 185 - 190, right now I am 210.
I know by history that I will not see my abs like you do, unless I am under 190.
[quote=KillerBee] I'm 6'2 I fluctuate between 193 and 200 lbs under my strict diet I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I was so freaking miserable when I was heavy. It was bad. Depressed, unhappy, miserable. Being lean and fit is as much psychological as it is physical. It's self esteem. Women look at me and talk to me always smiling. It feels good.
Nothing in my life has been more beneficial to my overall well being than being in shape.
I am really impressed with your achievement Salmonella you look AWESOME! I am 6" tall, I am shooting for 185 - 190, right now I am 210.
I know by history that I will not see my abs like you do, unless I am under 190.
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
[quote=KillerBee] I'm 6'2 I fluctuate between 193 and 200 lbs under my strict diet I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I was so freaking miserable when I was heavy. It was bad. Depressed, unhappy, miserable. Being lean and fit is as much psychological as it is physical. It's self esteem. Women look at me and talk to me always smiling. It feels good.
Nothing in my life has been more beneficial to my overall well being than being in shape.
I am really impressed with your achievement Salmonella you look AWESOME! I am 6" tall, I am shooting for 185 - 190, right now I am 210.
I know by history that I will not see my abs like you do, unless I am under 190.
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
Not sure what my BMI is, but I'm 5' 10.5" and 185 pounds. I workout with weights and run on the treadmill twice per week. However, I have a "bit" of a spare tire around my waist that I can't seem to lose. So today I did my first fast. I cheated a bit as I had 1 banana and 1 cup of juice in the AM and the same for mid-day. That is a microscopic fraction of what I normally eat. Feeling pretty good so I think I will do this once per week and see how I fare.
We have to suffer your bullscheit, per usual & I don't get to voice my opinion ?
You come unglued, everytime you are challenged.
You deflected, didn't answer my questions & my point, sailed over your head !
You've turned into an arseclown, of epic proportions.
But hey, you know what your doing !!
[bleep], 5% body fat, is not even in your realm for professional athletes, nor is it healthy !!
Tell me, why you think you know, that I'm not healthy ??
Sweetheart, I am far from unglued.
This thread is about Intermittent Fasting and how to lose weight, keep it off, feel great about yourself, and how to extend your lifespan, hence the title "IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity."
You do not live the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and know ZERO about it, yet you need to bash others that do.
You are an idiot if you are going to call me a moron and not get a response.
You may want to reconsider what you are eating because, for a man that is 57, you look like a guy that is 75, with all them red bags under your eyes and wrinkles and balding. You look tired and worn out.
But do continue to contribute to a subject you know nothing about.
For the spinach eaters, here. I picked up a bag of the "fresh" stuff. Soaked it, washed and rinsed it twice, drained, but when I taste it it has a slight musty taste. Should it have that musty taste or is it bad?
We have to suffer your bullscheit, per usual & I don't get to voice my opinion ?
You come unglued, everytime you are challenged.
You deflected, didn't answer my questions & my point, sailed over your head !
You've turned into an arseclown, of epic proportions.
But hey, you know what your doing !!
[bleep], 5% body fat, is not even in your realm for professional athletes, nor is it healthy !!
Tell me, why you think you know, that I'm not healthy ??
Sweetheart, I am far from unglued.
Oh, if only & honestly !
This thread is about Intermittent Fasting and how to lose weight, keep it off, feel great about yourself, and how to extend your lifespan, hence the title "IM fasting for health, weight loss and longevity."
You do not live the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and know ZERO about it, yet you need to bash others that do.
Have not bashed anyone !
You do see, how normal people, who eat an oldschoolcool, normal diet, can be healthy too, right ?
This was my whole & only point !
Not sure, how or why anybody, would listen to, or take Fasting health advise, from someone with a BMI of 28.5 (approaching obese), that also thinks he can get his body fat content to, a very unhealthy, %5
Fuggin crying rivers, here !
You are an idiot if you are going to call me a moron and not get a response.
Didn't call you a moron, just unhinged !
You may want to reconsider what you are eating because, for a man that is 57, you look like a guy that is 75, with all them red bags under your eyes and wrinkles and balding. You look tired and worn out.
75 hey, [bleep], I think I'll get a second opinion on that !
Never did say I was a pretty boi ! & per above, happy with my lot in life !
But do continue to contribute to a subject you know nothing about.
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
Killerbee’s first few posts’ on this website indicated he’s just another internet blow hard,
This thread confirms it.
He smells like Safariman.
Actually his first few posts confirmed he the fact that he is an idiot.
I’ve been cordial to him up to now. His posts and replies on threads have been exactly how Paul describes them. I’ve laid off of him simply because he’s sensitive and seeks approval even though he doesn’t have a clue about anything he talks about. Kinda felt sorry for him up to this point.
For the spinach eaters, here. I picked up a bag of the "fresh" stuff. Soaked it, washed and rinsed it twice, drained, but when I taste it it has a slight musty taste. Should it have that musty taste or is it bad?
Mine doesn't ever smell musty but I can only get frozen or canned here. I get the frozen most times. I might get a can to make some dip.
GR smells like Lee24... kettleballs, grand canyon hikes without water, walking 50 miles faster than the average runner.
Kent
You sound like Mother Goose.
You should write children's books.
Ha!
GR
Maybe you can tell Mr Bee he'd have to weight 120lbs if he's 6ft... actually I thought he said he was taller but I don't really care to go back... for his LBMI to equal 5% body fat on the most liberal calculator.
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
An honest 5% body fat via a dexa scan or something similar is not a level at which most athletic people function well. Even the guys that get absolutely "peeled" to step on a stage don't feel good at those levels. Problems with fatigue, body temperature regulation, and sex drive are very common. This is part of why you don't have many folks just living life at 4% bodyfat year round. It's just not sustainable for 99% of the population with any sort of quality of life.
Check out these guys that got dexa scans and were actually 4-10% BF. I don't see Average Joe making that happen just by cutting carbs.
GR smells like Lee24... kettleballs, grand canyon hikes without water, walking 50 miles faster than the average runner.
Kent
You sound like Mother Goose.
You should write children's books.
Ha!
GR
Maybe you can tell Mr Bee he'd have to weight 120lbs if he's 6ft... actually I thought he said he was taller but I don't really care to go back... for his LBMI to equal 5% body fat on the most liberal calculator.
Kent
I understand Health, Nutrition, Exercise, and Keto+Fasting.
Will help Anybody, even you, improve their body strength and composition, and the quality and quantity of their life.
GR smells like Lee24... kettleballs, grand canyon hikes without water, walking 50 miles faster than the average runner.
Kent
You sound like Mother Goose.
You should write children's books.
Ha!
GR
Maybe you can tell Mr Bee he'd have to weight 120lbs if he's 6ft... actually I thought he said he was taller but I don't really care to go back... for his LBMI to equal 5% body fat on the most liberal calculator.
Kent
I understand Health, Nutrition, Exercise, and Keto+Fasting.
Will help Anybody, even you, improve their body strength and composition, and the quality and quantity of their life.
GR smells like Lee24... kettleballs, grand canyon hikes without water, walking 50 miles faster than the average runner.
Kent
You sound like Mother Goose.
You should write children's books.
Ha!
GR
Maybe you can tell Mr Bee he'd have to weight 120lbs if he's 6ft... actually I thought he said he was taller but I don't really care to go back... for his LBMI to equal 5% body fat on the most liberal calculator.
Kent
I understand Health, Nutrition, Exercise, and Keto+Fasting.
Will help Anybody, even you, improve their body strength and composition, and the quality and quantity of their life.
I want to hear the kid ate condiments story again, it was a hoot... maybe he can do it in Dr Seuss style this time.
Kent
And then did it again, this time with too much cabbage.
Same result, same recovery.
For most healthy Adults, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day - is like a red line for ketosis.
Exceed it - and one drops out, with associate performance loss.
Maintain it - and the body runs continuously on fat, first dietary, and then stored, seamlessly.
Luckily, if one's body is used to being in ketosis, it shifts right back again, once the sugar is gone, without accumulating fat or going into starvation.
I want to hear the kid ate condiments story again, it was a hoot... maybe he can do it in Dr Seuss style this time.
Kent
And then did it again, this time with too much cabbage.
Same result, same recovery.
For most healthy Adults, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day - is like a red line for ketosis.
Exceed it - and one drops out, with associate performance loss.
Maintain it - and the body runs continually on fat, first dietary, and then stored, seamlessly.
Luckily, if one's body is used to being in ketosis, it shifts right back again, once the sugar is gone, without accumulating fat or going into starvation.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
GR I am thinking that I have to get to 35-40 PPM in a ketone reading.
I have been using Ketone sticks for years, but they never did give you an exact reading.
Today with my new Ketone Meter my reading was 16 PPM, their scale says it's a fat-burning mode, which is why I have come to the conclusion that a 30+ Keytone reading is a fat-burning mode for me.
I will start by using your < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day formula and do the readings to see where it gets me and go from there.
If you can tell me what is < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day in terms of oz. of broccoli per day, do you know?
I want to hear the kid ate condiments story again, it was a hoot... maybe he can do it in Dr Seuss style this time.
Kent
And then did it again, this time with too much cabbage.
Same result, same recovery.
For most healthy Adults, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day - is like a red line for ketosis.
Exceed it - and one drops out, with associate performance loss.
Maintain it - and the body runs continually on fat, first dietary, and then stored, seamlessly.
Luckily, if one's body is used to being in ketosis, it shifts right back again, once the sugar is gone, without accumulating fat or going into starvation.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
GR I am thinking that I have to get to 35-40 PPM in a ketone reading.
I have been using Ketone sticks for years, but they never did give you an exact reading.
Today with my new Ketone Meter my reading was 16 PPM, their scale says it's a fat-burning mode, which is why I have come to the conclusion that a 30+ Keytone reading is a fat-burning mode for me.
I will start by using your < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day formula and do the readings to see where it gets me and go from there.
If you can tell me what is < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day in terms of oz. of broccoli per day, do you know?
I want to hear the kid ate condiments story again, it was a hoot... maybe he can do it in Dr Seuss style this time.
Kent
And then did it again, this time with too much cabbage.
Same result, same recovery.
For most healthy Adults, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day - is like a red line for ketosis.
Exceed it - and one drops out, with associate performance loss.
Maintain it - and the body runs continually on fat, first dietary, and then stored, seamlessly.
Luckily, if one's body is used to being in ketosis, it shifts right back again, once the sugar is gone, without accumulating fat or going into starvation.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
GR I am thinking that I have to get to 35-40 PPM in a ketone reading.
I have been using Ketone sticks for years, but they never did give you an exact reading.
Today with my new Ketone Meter my reading was 16 PPM, their scale says it's a fat-burning mode, which is why I have come to the conclusion that a 30+ Keytone reading is a fat-burning mode for me.
I will start by using your < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day formula and do the readings to see where it gets me and go from there.
If you can tell me what is < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day in terms of oz. of broccoli per day, do you know?
I want to hear the kid ate condiments story again, it was a hoot... maybe he can do it in Dr Seuss style this time.
Kent
And then did it again, this time with too much cabbage.
Same result, same recovery.
For most healthy Adults, < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day - is like a red line for ketosis.
Exceed it - and one drops out, with associate performance loss.
Maintain it - and the body runs continually on fat, first dietary, and then stored, seamlessly.
Luckily, if one's body is used to being in ketosis, it shifts right back again, once the sugar is gone, without accumulating fat or going into starvation.
Free Education
Take it or leave it
GR
GR I am thinking that I have to get to 35-40 PPM in a ketone reading.
I have been using Ketone sticks for years, but they never did give you an exact reading.
Today with my new Ketone Meter my reading was 16 PPM, their scale says it's a fat-burning mode, which is why I have come to the conclusion that a 30+ Keytone reading is a fat-burning mode for me.
I will start by using your < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day formula and do the readings to see where it gets me and go from there.
If you can tell me what is < 20 g. of Net Carbs/day in terms of oz. of broccoli per day, do you know?
I could make some Memes for you to put on Social Media to help your struggling restaurant. Make them LGBQTYMZ friendly like you, hell you might get a digit or 2 !
How much inventory do you have ? I would be interested in a hat if you had any.
What don’t you understand about “no women’s sizes available”?
Bitch
Not true Ricky, plenty on Amazon...... Wait... were you to [bleep] stupid to......no you weren't ........yes, you were ! What a Dumbfvck, someone else is selling your shirts !!!!!!!!! You get NOTHING !!
Per ounce, canned black olives provide 33 calories, 0.25 grams of protein, 3 grams of fat and 1.7 grams of carbohydrates, of which 0.5 grams are dietary fiber. The calories, protein, fiber and carbs in olives contribute very little to your total daily needs, but the fat content per serving is significant for such a small portion of food. Olives are known to be high in fat, but it's primarily monounsaturated fat, which is considered healthy because it can help lower your bad cholesterol for improved heart health. Of the 3 grams of fat, a little over 2 grams are monounsaturated.”
Per ounce, canned black olives provide 33 calories, 0.25 grams of protein, 3 grams of fat and 1.7 grams of carbohydrates, of which 0.5 grams are dietary fiber. The calories, protein, fiber and carbs in olives contribute very little to your total daily needs, but the fat content per serving is significant for such a small portion of food. Olives are known to be high in fat, but it's primarily monounsaturated fat, which is considered healthy because it can help lower your bad cholesterol for improved heart health. Of the 3 grams of fat, a little over 2 grams are monounsaturated.”
May want to Try the olive diet
Proof - that even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while.
Then you put'em on a pizza crust, with a coupla hundred g. of Net Carbs.
Per ounce, canned black olives provide 33 calories, 0.25 grams of protein, 3 grams of fat and 1.7 grams of carbohydrates, of which 0.5 grams are dietary fiber. The calories, protein, fiber and carbs in olives contribute very little to your total daily needs, but the fat content per serving is significant for such a small portion of food. Olives are known to be high in fat, but it's primarily monounsaturated fat, which is considered healthy because it can help lower your bad cholesterol for improved heart health. Of the 3 grams of fat, a little over 2 grams are monounsaturated.”
May want to Try the olive diet
Nutritionally, what's the difference between green and black olives? I've always hated olives on my pizza, but an olive in a Bloody Mary is welcome! Other than using the oil to fry stuff on the skillet I don't do much with them.
GR, it's a long weekend in Canada this weekend, so I will be drinking and feasting.
Starting Tuesday I am going for that ripped/abs look you and Salmonella have going on, I will have to get to 30 on the Ketone Meter so lots of 96-hour fasts coming up!
I will be using your <20g net carbs when I eat, it will be interesting how long it takes me to get there, thanks for that <20g net carbs nugget!
I am doing a 96-hr fast, all-I-can-eat steak then another 96-hr fast starting next Monday, on a mission to see my abs. Drinking Electrolytes throughout the process of course.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Add Kale and avocado to that list for sure. I also eat a lot of spinach, and onions. Sliced cucumbers with homemade ranch or vinaigrette dressing are a good snack.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Add Kale and avocado to that list for sure. I also eat a lot of spinach, and onions. Sliced cucumbers with homemade ranch or vinaigrette dressing are a good snack.
Absolutely, I also forgot to include Tomatoes, all veggies I listed have the highest cancer-fighting properties. I can't eat spinach, #1 cause that triggers inflammation and gout in my case.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Add Kale and avocado to that list for sure. I also eat a lot of spinach, and onions. Sliced cucumbers with homemade ranch or vinaigrette dressing are a good snack.
I eat a lot of Kale and avocados too. I have 5 avacado trees in my yard. I also eat walnuts for a snack if i feel like eating something that has a little crunch to it and is not green.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Add Kale and avocado to that list for sure. I also eat a lot of spinach, and onions. Sliced cucumbers with homemade ranch or vinaigrette dressing are a good snack.
Absolutely, I also forgot to include Tomatoes, all veggies I listed have the highest cancer-fighting properties. I can't eat spinach, #1 cause that triggers inflammation and gout in my case.
I don't eat tomatoes. They are nightshade and cause joint inflammation for me.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
Add Kale and avocado to that list for sure. I also eat a lot of spinach, and onions. Sliced cucumbers with homemade ranch or vinaigrette dressing are a good snack.
I eat a lot of Kale and avocados too. I have 5 avacado trees in my yard. I also eat walnuts for a snack if i feel like eating something that has a little crunch to it and is not green.
Wow, that must be AWESOME! Do you have lemon trees as well?
("Wow, that must be AWESOME! Do you have lemon trees as well?")
I used to have a lemon tree. Along with a few other fruit trees. The birds and critters kept wiping me out. Racoons would climb the trees and break the branches and pull off the fruit.
Now I have to put protective netting around the Avocados to keep the birds and squirrels off of them.
Its hard to not be at some level of Ketoses, If you are eating clean. (Low carb and protein) Getting your carbs from an assortment of green leafy vegetables.
These are the veggies I am sticking with, while I use GR.s <20g net daily carbs recommendation. But only after I reach my goal, it will be strictly protein until I do.
The above^^ is a good basic list of high nutrient/low carb dinner vegetables. (don't forget the beet greens, one of the best)
And the Cabbage should be Green, not the red, higher carb variety.
Avocados and olives - are staple fat foods, but still have a few Net Carbs to be accounted for.
And, as mentioned, Tomatoes, and Bellpeppers, are Nightshades, and will cause metabolic problems unless you "brick" them. (slow-roast till dark, in olive oil)
I welcome discussion on the topic from people with different opinions and personal experience's. That's how we learn. I have picked up some tips from reading this thread. But in true Campfire fashion, there will be those that will say Your just 100% wrong. They have a right to have an opinion also. But some can get down right Nasty. Jmo.
I welcome discussion on the topic from people with different opinions and personal experience's. That's how we learn. I have picked up some tips from reading this thread. But in true Campfire fashion, there will be those that will say Your just 100% wrong. They have a right to have an opinion also. But some can get down right Nasty. Jmo.
I say Live and let live.
If you don't know what you're talking about STFU! Or ask questions if you want to learn.
I just don't get the adversity and animosity against people that prefer to look great and want to stay healthy, compare notes, and share information with like-minded people.
I just don't get the adversity and animosity against people that prefer to look great and want to stay healthy, compare notes, and share information with like-minded people.
I just don't get the adversity and animosity against people that prefer to look great and want to stay healthy, compare notes, and share information with like-minded people.
One of life's little mysteries I guess lol
If you look great, I'm a chinaman.
LOL
Post your picture, for some reason I am thinking that you don't look great. lol
Gals dig me, could give a rat azz, about what men think
I just don't get the adversity and animosity against people that prefer to look great and want to stay healthy, compare notes, and share information with like-minded people.
One of life's little mysteries I guess lol
If you look great, I'm a chinaman.
LOL
Post your picture, for some reason I am thinking that you don't look great. lol
Gals dig me, could give a rat azz, about what men think
Keto => Fasting, which is the Absence of sugar, both stored and dietary, and dietary Fat, so just stored fat is metabolized. "every Three hour" baby food diet => Starvation, which is the Reduction of sugar, is incapable of accessing stored Fat due to high Insulin, so the metabolism slows down, with associated withdrawals.
Fasting while eating... now I've heard everything...
Kent
Actually, you are a moron.
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Keto => Fasting, which is the Absence of sugar, both stored and dietary, and dietary Fat, so just stored fat is metabolized. "every Three hour" baby food diet => Starvation, which is the Reduction of sugar, is incapable of accessing stored Fat due to high Insulin, so the metabolism slows down, with associated withdrawals.
Ya see, simpleton, "Absence" means "with out."
So if Fasting is Absent Both stored and dietary sugar, and dietary Fat?
Fasting while eating... now I've heard everything...
Kent
Actually, you are a moron.
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Keto => Fasting, which is the Absence of sugar, both stored and dietary, and dietary Fat, so just stored fat is metabolized. "every Three hour" baby food diet => Starvation, which is the Reduction of sugar, is incapable of accessing stored Fat due to high Insulin, so the metabolism slows down, with associated withdrawals.
Ya see, simpleton, "Absence" means "with out."
So if Fasting is Absent Both stored and dietary sugar, and dietary Fat?
What does that mean?
Hint: just stored fat is metabolized.
Free Education
Find an Adult to help you with it.
GR
Oh I understand what you are saying... it's wrong.
Fasting while eating... now I've heard everything...
Kent
Actually, you are a moron.
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Keto => Fasting, which is the Absence of sugar, both stored and dietary, and dietary Fat, so just stored fat is metabolized. "every Three hour" baby food diet => Starvation, which is the Reduction of sugar, is incapable of accessing stored Fat due to high Insulin, so the metabolism slows down, with associated withdrawals.
Ya see, simpleton, "Absence" means "with out."
So if Fasting is Absent Both stored and dietary sugar, and dietary Fat?
What does that mean?
Hint: just stored fat is metabolized.
Free Education
Find an Adult to help you with it.
GR
Oh I understand what you are saying... it's wrong.
Keto fasting... is that like 5% body fat, maybe 3%?
Maybe no such thing.
Kent
It's where one chooses to get off the loss, by adding fat to the diet.
5-10% (LBMI) is lean and healthy for a man.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - just leaves you a choice of - heavy exercise to break even, or fat accumulation without it, followed by starvation that fails when even you can't stand yourself.
Keto fasting... is that like 5% body fat, maybe 3%?
Maybe no such thing.
Kent
It's where one chooses to get off the loss, by adding fat to the diet.
5-10% (LBMI) is lean and healthy for a man.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - just leaves you a choice of - heavy exercise to break even, or fat accumulation without it, followed by starvation that fails when even you can't stand yourself.
Free Education
Take it or leave it (ask an Adult, though)
GR
LBMI still seems like an uncommon measure. From what I can see, it refers to the nonfat portion of the body. If so, the numbers you state don’t make sense. It seems that perhaps you are referring to body fat percentage. If so, 5-10% is said to be what Olympic male gymnasts run. That seems ridiculous for others.
Can fast up to Seven(7) days: - on water/coffee/salt/chelated minerals. - including full workouts and field work. - lose ~ 3/4 lb./day.
And the Sugar-addicted Processed Crap here... have Withdrawals and Starve.
Ha!
GR
I'm not seeing the keto fast.
And 5% body fat isn't heathy.
Kent
Myopia.
Keto, the practical absence of dietary sugar, relies on dietary fat for energy, and then stored fat if that runs out.
"=>" means "goes to", so you know.
When dietary fat is removed (along with the dietary protein) from Keto, the body switches to 100% stored fat for energy, and makes what little sugar it needs out of recycled protein, in the Liver.
That is Fasting.
The record is well over a Year.
So, what don't you Still don't understand? (and when does your mom get home?)
And 5-10% (LBMI) is plenty healthy - because that is my range, so it is a proven fact.
Keto fasting... is that like 5% body fat, maybe 3%?
Maybe no such thing.
Kent
It's where one chooses to get off the loss, by adding fat to the diet.
5-10% (LBMI) is lean and healthy for a man.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - just leaves you a choice of - heavy exercise to break even, or fat accumulation without it, followed by starvation that fails when even you can't stand yourself.
Free Education
Take it or leave it (ask an Adult, though)
GR
LBMI still seems like an uncommon measure. From what I can see, it refers to the nonfat portion of the body. If so, the numbers you state don’t make sense. It seems that perhaps you are referring to body fat percentage. If so, 5-10% is said to be what Olympic male gymnasts run. That seems ridiculous for others.
The numbers (LBMI) make sense - because of the way it's calculated.
It's a basic guideline, that can then be tracked by the user.
Keto fasting... is that like 5% body fat, maybe 3%?
Maybe no such thing.
Kent
It's where one chooses to get off the loss, by adding fat to the diet.
5-10% (LBMI) is lean and healthy for a man.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - just leaves you a choice of - heavy exercise to break even, or fat accumulation without it, followed by starvation that fails when even you can't stand yourself.
Free Education
Take it or leave it (ask an Adult, though)
GR
LBMI still seems like an uncommon measure. From what I can see, it refers to the nonfat portion of the body. If so, the numbers you state don’t make sense. It seems that perhaps you are referring to body fat percentage. If so, 5-10% is said to be what Olympic male gymnasts run. That seems ridiculous for others.
The numbers (LBMI) make sense - because of the way it's calculated.
It's a basic guideline, that can then be tracked by the user.
Simple, easy, and available to use.
GR
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
BMI is a childish formula that says height/weight=score. Favored by no chest, no shoulders, no male physique soy boy [bleep] to promote some kind of superiority complex. It's really that simple.
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
BMI is a childish formula that says height/weight=score. Favored by no chest, no shoulders, no male physique soy boy [bleep] to promote some kind of superiority complex. It's really that simple.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous meter.
My calculated BMI is 28 which is “overweight” and 30 = obesity
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
BMI is a childish formula that says height/weight=score. Favored by no chest, no shoulders, no male physique soy boy [bleep] to promote some kind of superiority complex. It's really that simple.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous meter.
My calculated BMI is 28 which is “overweight” and 30 = obesity
The Gonad gets props for pegging KetoPee early on.
But he is a prime candidate for fasting in a controlled hospital setting.
👍🏼
Instead of poncing about admiring himself in a mirror the man spends his time with his wife and kids. Something the fragile set posting here will never get to experience themselves as they are too busy being all about themselves.
The Gonad gets props for pegging KetoPee early on.
But he is a prime candidate for fasting in a controlled hospital setting.
👍🏼
Instead of poncing about admiring himself in a mirror the man spends his time with his wife and kids. Something the fragile set posting here will never get to experience themselves as they are too busy being all about themselves.
I don’t do that. The photos were taken to document what I accomplished dieting down. Even though I can do it again at any time, I probably won’t. Takes a lot of discipline to get that ripped. I have nothing to prove anymore and love food. 😁
I maintain a healthy body weight but carry more fat and am good with it
Yes, I had to pee on those GD ketone sticks to see where I was at re: Ketosis, really sucked. I am not ashamed.
But now thanks to the good folks here on this thread, that live the same lifestyle I live, I have one of these which I got a few days ago. I am very happy!
Being Fat sucks and because of my F'ed up metabolism I have had to take drastic measures. Intermittent Fasting Rules!
Thank you guys for your advice on the Ketone Meter, very much appreciated!
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
BMI is a childish formula that says height/weight=score. Favored by no chest, no shoulders, no male physique soy boy [bleep] to promote some kind of superiority complex. It's really that simple.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous meter.
My calculated BMI is 28 which is “overweight” and 30 = obesity
LOLOLOLOL
For many people, BMI is indeed a telling number. As you and BGG point out, it is not a reliable indicator in all cases. Very muscular people are the glaring exceptions. More accurate measurements of body fat percentage would be better, but are hard to do in large populations. I think that actuaries find BMI to be a fairly reliable indicator of expected lifespan.
Keto fasting... is that like 5% body fat, maybe 3%?
Maybe no such thing.
Kent
It's where one chooses to get off the loss, by adding fat to the diet.
5-10% (LBMI) is lean and healthy for a man.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet - just leaves you a choice of - heavy exercise to break even, or fat accumulation without it, followed by starvation that fails when even you can't stand yourself.
Free Education
Take it or leave it (ask an Adult, though)
GR
LBMI still seems like an uncommon measure. From what I can see, it refers to the nonfat portion of the body. If so, the numbers you state don’t make sense. It seems that perhaps you are referring to body fat percentage. If so, 5-10% is said to be what Olympic male gymnasts run. That seems ridiculous for others.
The numbers (LBMI) make sense - because of the way it's calculated.
It's a basic guideline, that can then be tracked by the user.
Simple, easy, and available to use.
GR
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
LBMI - is a calculation that produces % body fat from a corrected BMI.
The one we use comes from the NIH.
It is then further corrected for gender based on studies of college athletes.
So it's a good reference number to calculate a dietary program and exercise.
And 10% for men looks really good and healthy.
... even on older men, as it is rejuvenating when combined with fasting.
But the Product ultimately drives the process.
How One wants to look, and how Nature intended you to look.
Body fat includes essential body fat and storage body fat. Essential body fat is a base level of fat that is found in most parts of the body. It is necessary fat that maintains life and reproductive functions. The amount of essential fat differs between men and women, and is typically around 2-5% in men, and 10-13% in women. The healthy range of body fat for men is typically defined as 8-19%, while the healthy range for women is 21-33%. While having excess body fat can have many detrimental effects on a person's health, insufficient body fat can have negative health effects of its own, and maintaining a body fat percentage below, or even at the essential body fat percentage range is a topic that should be discussed with a medical professional.
I’m very familiar with BMI measurements. I can’t find a lot on LBMI. It appears to be the nonfat portion of a person’s body in percentage. If so, then higher would be better. If this is not correct, and it may not be, then please explain how it is calculated and what the measure means.
Regarding very low body fat percentage (less than 10% or so), wouldn’t this be exceptionally rare in people over 40? I mean like orders of magnitude less than 1%. The exception being people with advanced diseases, of course.
...and bullshit artists.
Yes, certainly that group should not be overlooked.
BMI is a childish formula that says height/weight=score. Favored by no chest, no shoulders, no male physique soy boy [bleep] to promote some kind of superiority complex. It's really that simple.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous meter.
My calculated BMI is 28 which is “overweight” and 30 = obesity
LOLOLOLOL
For many people, BMI is indeed a telling number. As you and BGG point out, it is not a reliable indicator in all cases. Very muscular people are the glaring exceptions. More accurate measurements of body fat percentage would be better, but are hard to do in large populations. I think that actuaries find BMI to be a fairly reliable indicator of expected lifespan.
I have a huge cock so my BMI is out of whack. Sucks
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
We were told lots of BS 40 years ago and there's still plenty left today.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
I still ate more than most people per day.
Kent
I worked on a dairy farm for a summer and also worked as a cowboy.
No way did we not start the day off with a good breakfast in them days. On the ranch it was Flapjacks, bacon, and eggs every morning, you needed the energy for that type of work.
In this day and age, City Folk, do not need to eat like that, minimal calories are needed sitting at a computer, for me at least.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
If you can't incorporate keto+IM fasting, that allows your body to run on fat, dietary or stored, seamlessly, All Day Long...?
Then you are a moron.
These days - generally get up at 4A, run 2.5 mi., Work, spend a coupla hours at the gym lifting and playin' 4-wall handball...
... Then eat my first meal at ~ 9A, and go back to work.
... and then another meal at ~ 2P, and go back to work.
And if I get stuck out in the field?
I just don't eat, could care less, and lose ~ a 1/8 lb. of body fat.
Rocket Surgery, huh...?
GR
Jr, good to see you up this morning... I was up at 2:45, on the job at 5am, had 4 hrs of work on some walls for an inspection monday. Got back at 9:35, just made the grandkids and me breakfast, eating bacon eggs and toast with jelly... it's 9:52 here.
And you still getting the sleep out of your eyes....
I remember the cheerleaders in high school IM fasting (skipping breakfast) to maintain their figure. They were told that doing so would have severe negative effects on their brain and body function all day. Who'da thunk, 40 years ago, the glory of the internet and the schyt posting awaiting them?
Breakfast being eaten in the morning is a social construct.
It is your first meal of the day regardless of when it is eaten. You are breaking the fast.
Dairy farmers were doing this long before a bunch of fat fugks latched onto the idea and made it into a church.
I don't think these guys understand that.
Starting work at 3am in the summers or 5am in the winters, first meal is after 5 to 6 hours of work, sometimes more pouring and finishing concrete.
If you can't incorporate keto+IM fasting, that allows your body to run on fat, dietary or stored, seamlessly, All Day Long...?
Then you are a moron.
These days - generally get up at 4A, run 2.5 mi., Work, spend a coupla hours at the gym lifting and playin' 4-wall handball...
... Then eat my first meal at ~ 9A, and go back to work.
... and then another meal at ~ 2P, and go back to work.
And if I get stuck out in the field?
I just don't eat, could care less, and lose ~ a 1/8 lb. of body fat.
Rocket Surgery, huh...?
GR
Jr, good to see you up this morning... I was up at 2:45, on the job at 5am, had 4 hrs of work on some walls for an inspection monday. Got back at 9:35, just made the grandkids and me breakfast, eating bacon eggs and toast with jelly... it's 9:52 here.
And you still getting the sleep out of your eyes....
Kent
What are you on about, little one?
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These days - generally get up at 4A, run 2.5 mi., Work, spend a coupla hours at the gym lifting and playin' 4-wall handball...
... Then eat my first meal at ~ 9A, and go back to work.
... and then another meal at ~ 2P, and go back to work.
And if I get stuck out in the field?
I just don't eat, could care less, and lose ~ a 1/8 lb. of body fat.
Well, you lost 4lbs last week not really working out like usual, just on keto, and it's been 5 years... @ 4lbs a week being lazy... I'm afraid for you...
Well, you lost 4lbs last week not really working out like usual, just on keto, and it's been 5 years... @ 4lbs a week being lazy... I'm afraid for you...
Kent
4 lbs to get me back to ~ 10% LBMI.
Had a weird virus for a coupla weeks that depressed my metabolism, just like a baby food diet.
Quit the gym to rest, 'till I killed it off, but kept eating.
Should have Fasted, which would have killed it off quicker.
Between the lack of exercise and the depressed metabolism, put on a few pounds.
Not gonna read this whole pissing contest. Regular fasting of 16-20 hour periods of good for you in a variety of ways . Eating low carb high protein diets/moderate fat diets is also very good for you. Going into a ketogenic state for certain lengths of time is also good for you. I've done my research including graduate level education.
Is it a blanket treatment for any and all health issues, no. Is it a very simple way to lose weight, yes Does it work as a lifestyle for 98% of people, no.
There are plenty of nuances but the science fits with the results. If you want to know more do some reading.
Lastly, if someone openly states they spend 3 hours a day devoted to exercise, I tune out. Not saying that person is lying but they are or they are a unicorn of sorts.
Not gonna read this whole pissing contest. Regular fasting of 16-20 hour periods of good for you in a variety of ways . Eating low carb high protein diets/moderate fat diets is also very good for you. Going into a ketogenic state for certain lengths of time is also good for you. I've done my research including graduate level education.
Is it a blanket treatment for any and all health issues, no. Is it a very simple way to lose weight, yes Does it work as a lifestyle for 98% of people, no.
There are plenty of nuances but the science fits with the results. If you want to know more do some reading.
Lastly, if someone openly states they spend 3 hours a day devoted to exercise, I tune out. Not saying that person is lying but they are or they are a unicorn of sorts.
Make of it what you will
MM
Excellent overview mitchellmountain, I would just like to make a few comments.
Is it a blanket treatment for any and all health issues, no.
Intermittent Fasting and losing weight works incredibly well for people that suffer from Pain related to Inflammation, High Blood Pressure, and Type 2 Diabetes. It has done wonders for me with both inflammation and Borderline High Blood Pressure, I have neither issue now. Friends that had Type 2 Diabetes that follow my program no longer take meds.
Is it a very simple way to lose weight, yes
It's not really simple or easy, you need to be disciplined, most people lack that, and I sometimes do as well. The trick is to re-educate yourself and learn how to Eat Intelligently. Eating out of habit and overeating is the norm these days, learning and eating out of necessity takes commitment and is in fact a Lifestyle Choice and not a Diet.
Does it work as a lifestyle for 98% of people, no.
It works for any lifestyle, especially for the modern lifestyle that is for the most part sedentary, and especially for persons like me that have incredibly slow metabolisms.
Everyone is different, what works for one person, does not work for another.
Feeding (per day): - Between 0.75 and 1.0 g. protein/lb. LBM - < 20 g. Net Carbs - Enough Natural Fat (stored/animal/butter/olive/etc.) to make your Energy Requirement. - Reduce Dietary Fat for Weight Loss
Fasting: - 18 hrs./day, with a 6 hr. Feeding window. - Or, up to 120 hrs./week, for additional Health Benefits.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
And when the same Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) Did his study on Intermittent Fasting, he determined that with Intermittent Fasting, after the carbs burn off in the first day the fat burn skyrockets and blows this study (While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.) out of the water
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
And when the same Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) Did his study on Intermittent Fasting, he determined that with Intermittent Fasting, after the carbs burn off in the first day the fat burn skyrockets and blows this study (While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.) out of the water
Its not that difficult to follow the colored lines
TTT for some hilarious ketosissie condemnation of the above study
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I have no issue with the study and the findings. It would make sense in a controlled format like that and with imposed "discipline." I had mentioned this several pages back that I saw an interview with Dr. Atkins say more or less the same that he doesn't promote a high fat diet as the way to get your health under control. He was much more anti-sugar if anything and lowering the carbs.
He was asked if something like the South Beach diet with an emphasis on lean protein like fish, chicken, etc...sans butter and other fatty flavorings would be better than the high fat diet he promoted. He corrected the interviewer that he didn't promote a high fat diet and agreed that the version of the South Beach diet would be healthier overall with one caveat. Would the person have the discipline to stick with it? His experience was not very many would stick with it over a more "flavorful" diet with far less sugar and carbohydrates.
The study/diet you referenced would work more effectively in many ways IF they person would have the discipline to stay with it. The Fat Free craze that started many decades ago had a noticeable increase in obesity especially in the United States because the flavorful fat was replaced with a lot of sugar. Many didn't pay attention to that and thought they were eating health because it was labeled as "Fat Free."
Bottom line is that you have to pay attention to what you are eating and your activity levels. This goes beyond fat, sugar, carbohydrates. There are a massive amount of hormones and preservatives in much of the processed food we eat that don't preserve us at all. Just the opposite. My in-laws are from Peru (still live there). Mother in-law is 85 and father in-law is 94. They don't look anywhere near their age and are in great shape. Very little sugar, lower fat, and zero process foods to speak of. I think the last part is a major reason why.
TTT for some hilarious ketosissie condemnation of the above study
😆
I have no issue with the study and the findings. It would make sense in a controlled format like that and with imposed "discipline." I had mentioned this several pages back that I saw an interview with Dr. Atkins say more or less the same that he doesn't promote a high fat diet as the way to get your health under control. He was much more anti-sugar if anything and lowering the carbs.
He was asked if something like the South Beach diet with an emphasis on lean protein like fish, chicken, etc...sans butter and other fatty flavorings would be better than the high fat diet he promoted. He corrected the interviewer that he didn't promote a high fat diet and agreed that the version of the South Beach diet would be healthier overall with one caveat. Would the person have the discipline to stick with it? His experience was not very many would stick with it over a more "flavorful" diet with far less sugar and carbohydrates.
The study/diet you referenced would work more effectively in many ways IF they person would have the discipline to stay with it. The Fat Free craze that started many decades ago had a noticeable increase in obesity especially in the United States because the flavorful fat was replaced with a lot of sugar. Many didn't pay attention to that and thought they were eating health because it was labeled as "Fat Free."
Bottom line is that you have to pay attention to what you are eating and your activity levels. This goes beyond fat, sugar, carbohydrates. There are a massive amount of hormones and preservatives in much of the processed food we eat that don't preserve us at all. Just the opposite. My in-laws are from Peru (still live there). Mother in-law is 85 and father in-law is 94. They don't look anywhere near their age and are in great shape. Very little sugar, lower fat, and zero process foods to speak of. I think the last part is a major reason why.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
jc189, I am talking to a friend of mine here and discussing me setting up a Specklebelly, Snow, Canada Goose, and Duck Hunt here in Alberta or Saskatchewan, if you are interested in joining us, It would be my pleasure for you to join us!
Since we both knew Paul, we have something in common and it would be a lot of fun to kill a few birds with you man, if your interested lets talk.
Fubarski, care to expound on the cockroach story???
The clam's rcamugliawas infested with cockroaches.
The city codes people shut him down.
He sued, claimin he should be allowed ta have cockroaches in his restaurant as service animals.
So, bein the brilliant businessman he is, he put the cockroach haven restaurant he inherited inta the court records for all time.
Court throwed out the bullshit lawsuit.
So, he installed gloryholes and went gay friendly.
It's all been hashed out here on the 'fire.
Oh, I did not know. rcamuglia, I'm truly sorry to hear that your restaurant was closed because it was infested with cockroaches. Now I know why you seem to be so angry all the time.
jc189, I am talking to a friend of mine here and discussing me setting up a Specklebelly, Snow, Canada Goose, and Duck Hunt here in Alberta or Saskatchewan, if you are interested in joining us, It would be my pleasure for you to join us!
Since we both knew Paul, we have something in common and it would be a lot of fun to kill a few birds with you man, if your interested lets talk.
jc189, I am talking to a friend of mine here and discussing me setting up a Specklebelly, Snow, Canada Goose, and Duck Hunt here in Alberta or Saskatchewan, if you are interested in joining us, It would be my pleasure for you to join us!
Since we both knew Paul, we have something in common and it would be a lot of fun to kill a few birds with you man, if your interested lets talk.
The Ketosissies pretend not to see the elephant in the room
😂😂😂
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
jc189, I am talking to a friend of mine here and discussing me setting up a Specklebelly, Snow, Canada Goose, and Duck Hunt here in Alberta or Saskatchewan, if you are interested in joining us, It would be my pleasure for you to join us!
Since we both knew Paul, we have something in common and it would be a lot of fun to kill a few birds with you man, if your interested lets talk.
jc189, I am talking to a friend of mine here and discussing me setting up a Specklebelly, Snow, Canada Goose, and Duck Hunt here in Alberta or Saskatchewan, if you are interested in joining us, It would be my pleasure for you to join us!
Since we both knew Paul, we have something in common and it would be a lot of fun to kill a few birds with you man, if your interested lets talk.
Hey Rick, why don't you run back to the kitchen and whip up some of your Gay ass dersert. You know, The one with organic sprinkles on top. Yummy
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Of course, before a full-blown infestation, roach droppings will be so minimal and scattered that you may not even see them. While on the other hand, during a large infestation they’ll be almost impossible to miss, along with other nasty cockroach stuff like egg cases, discarded shells, and cockroach body parts.
But Hey, Don't worry, Its 100% Organic and full of protein.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
Hey Rick, why don't you run back to the kitchen and whip up some of your Gay ass dersert. You know, The one with organic sprinkles on top. Yummy
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Of course, before a full-blown infestation, roach droppings will be so minimal and scattered that you may not even see them. While on the other hand, during a large infestation they’ll be almost impossible to miss, along with other nasty cockroach stuff like egg cases, discarded shells, and cockroach body parts.
But Hey, Don't worry, Its 100% Organic and full of protein.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
The Five Scourges of Health: (From Refined Starches and Sugar) - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
You're trying to make a false comparison.
Someone eating a low carbohydrate diet high in fat protein is not the same as someone in ketosis.
I felt like I read a study released by the NIH on the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine when I read your post.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
You're trying to make a false comparison.
Someone eating a low carbohydrate diet high in fat protein is not the same as someone in ketosis.
I felt like I read a study released by the NIH on the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine when I read your post.
He's a Propagandist for the Obesity-for-Profit industry.
Feeding (per day): - Between 0.75 and 1.0 g. protein/lb. LBM - < 20 g. Net Carbs - Enough Natural Fat (stored/animal/butter/olive/etc.) to make your Energy Requirement. - Reduce Dietary Fat for Weight Loss
Fasting: - 18 hrs./day, with a 6 hr. Feeding window. - Or, up to 120 hrs./week prolonged fast, for additional Health Benefits.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
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Because the real truth is
And when the same Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) Did his study on Intermittent Fasting, he determined that with Intermittent Fasting, after the carbs burn off in the first day the fat burn skyrockets and blows this study (While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.) out of the water
So, can you please give me some more advice on what and how to eat.
Rick Camuglia's restaurant was temporarily shut down for alleged health code violations.
The evidence before the district court was as follows: Guy Worthington, an employee of the Albuquerque Environmental Health Department (EHD), inspected Paisano's Restaurant, owned by Mr. Camuglia. Mr. Worthington cited the restaurant for several violations, including cockroaches.
people were freely entering and exiting the facility without regard for the presence of chemicals. No notice was posted of the on-going fumigation. No effort had been made to cover food, food preparation areas, tables, or even the salt and pepper shakers. Out of concern for public safety.
Mr. Worthington concluded that the ULD 300 was not being applied in accordance with its warning label. He contacted his supervisor and together they decided to suspend Paisano's food-service permit temporarily.
"Would you like some poison........ opps......... I mean sugar with your coffee ma'am", said Rick to a Paisano's customer
"Excuse me waitress, but I didn't ask for chocolate shavings on my carrot cake icing said the customer?" "Oh that's not chocolate shavings, that's roach droppings, it's our house specialty", responded the waitress
So, can you please give me some more advice on what and how to eat.
Rick Camuglia's restaurant was temporarily shut down for alleged health code violations.
The evidence before the district court was as follows: Guy Worthington, an employee of the Albuquerque Environmental Health Department (EHD), inspected Paisano's Restaurant, owned by Mr. Camuglia. Mr. Worthington cited the restaurant for several violations, including cockroaches.
people were freely entering and exiting the facility without regard for the presence of chemicals. No notice was posted of the on-going fumigation. No effort had been made to cover food, food preparation areas, tables, or even the salt and pepper shakers. Out of concern for public safety.
Mr. Worthington concluded that the ULD 300 was not being applied in accordance with its warning label. He contacted his supervisor and together they decided to suspend Paisano's food-service permit temporarily.
You probably missed the part that Worthington was a rogue inspector, was ultimately fired, and the health department completely gutted and redirected. I watched for months as restaurants were constantly being downgraded and closed and every local news channel reporting it with glee before they got to mine
The inspections took place and were immediately faxed to every station to report on the news, without due process.
I immediately contacted our local conservative talk radio show after receiving many calls from local restaurants in the same boat. We did a 3 hour show with the head of the restaurant association. The horror stories from local restaurants and grocery stores about what the department was doing were staggering.
Worthington would take photos during inspections and verbally tell owners and managers, “it’s for my tv show tonight”
So I filed a lawsuit, judge was wrong and threw it out to protect the city from hundreds of other lawsuits that would also be filed and cripple the city. And then the department completely changed thanks to one guy who wasn’t gonna take it. 😁
BTW that was close to 25 years ago. lol
None of that changes the fact that Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity.
rcamuglia, ("BYW that was close to 25 years ago.")
My math says 17 years ago. May 31, 2006. But thats OK. I know you have troubles with numbers, or just lie.
Either way, just because something happened 17 years ago in your past doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Or even worse, believing that it happened a long time ago, so now it's OK.
Rick CAMUGLIA, doing business as Paisano's Restaurant, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE; The Albuquerque Environmental Health Department; Guy Worthington, in his individual capacity and as an employee of the City of Albuquerque, Defendants-Appellees. No. 05-2128. United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit. May 31, 2006.
I know that this going back and forth is all in good Campfire fun. But it's getting a little redundant.
So I'll tell you what, You do what is working for you and I'll continue to do what works for me.
So I'll extend out the olive branch. What do you say we call it a truce? After all, Olives matter, Right.
Rick CAMUGLIA, doing business as Paisano's Restaurant, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE; The Albuquerque Environmental Health Department; Guy Worthington, in his individual capacity and as an employee of the City of Albuquerque, Defendants-Appellees. No. 05-2128. United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit. May 31, 2006.
I am really happy I saw this!
I was going to ask Rick to be our camp cook during the goose/duck hunt and was going to let him watch us shoot to give him pointers on how to handle a shotgun, as his reward.
rcamuglia, ("BYW that was close to 25 years ago.")
My math says 17 years ago. May 31, 2006. But thats OK. I know you have troubles with numbers, or just lie.
Either way, just because something happened 17 years ago in your past doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Or even worse, believing that it happened a long time ago, so now it's OK.
Rick CAMUGLIA, doing business as Paisano's Restaurant, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE; The Albuquerque Environmental Health Department; Guy Worthington, in his individual capacity and as an employee of the City of Albuquerque, Defendants-Appellees. No. 05-2128. United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit. May 31, 2006.
I know that this going back and forth is all in good Campfire fun. But it's getting a little redundant.
So I'll tell you what, You do what is working for you and I'll continue to do what works for me.
So I'll extend out the olive branch. What do you say we call it a truce? After all, Olives matter, Right.
Deflection. When you have nothing and can’t debate the topic with factual support
Body fat percentage table for men Men also need to keep their body fat percentage in a healthy range. However, the ideal fat percentages are slightly lower in men than in women.
Ideal body fat percentages by age group are as follows:
Age 20–29 Category Percentage dangerously low under 8% excellent 8–10.5% good 10.6–14.8% fair 14.9–18.6% poor 18.7–23.1% dangerously high over 23.2%
Age 30–39 Category Percentage dangerously low under 8% excellent 8–14.5% good 14.6–18.2% fair 18.3–21.3% poor 21.4–24.9% dangerously high over 25%
Age 40–49 Category Percentage dangerously low under 8% excellent 8–17.4% good 17.5–20.6% fair 20.7–23.4% poor 23.5–26.6% dangerously high over 26.7%
Age 50–59 Category Percentage dangerously low under 8% excellent 8–19.1% good 19.2–22.1% fair 22.2–24.6% poor 24.7–27.8% dangerously high over 27.9%
60-69 Category Percentage dangerously low under 8% excellent 8–19.7% good 19.8–22.6% fair 22.7–25.2% poor 25.3–28.4% dangerously high over 28.5%
How to calculate
There is no single formula to accurately calculate a person’s body fat percentage.
The best way to measure body fat involves using specialized equipment, usually in a doctor’s office. A doctor can use fat calipers to calculate fat percentages in specific areas of the body.
There are several other accurate ways to assess body fat. These include underwater weighing, X-rays, and air displacement plethysmography.
Measuring BMI is another Source to estimate body fat. Although this method has limitations, BMI does correlate well with body fat in most people. It is also quicker and easier than other methods of measuring body fat.
You should be proud to post a pic showing your “results”
I am a year and a half in to my new approach to eating. Before starting I was close to 240 pounds and was eating the standard Cajun diet.
I am not sure what to call how I eat now. Few carbs, but I eat blackberries and blueberries nearly every day. Typically I have a leafy vegetable, current favorite is lettuce with blue cheese and bacon. I eat a lot of fatty meats, Alaskan Wild caught salmon when available, eggs, bacon, cheese, pecans roasted in butter.
I will eat nothing processed, nothing with seed oils, no rice, no pasta, no bread, no sugars of any kind.
My weight runs from 204 to 208 depending on activity levels. I am stronger than I have been in years, but have not reached my goals. My flexibility is better than it has been in years. My joint pains have been greatly reduced.
The most important thing is I enjoy the lifestyle. I do not miss anything I no longer eat.
I have never checked my ketones, bought any keto food, or pay for any plans or programs.
Before and after pictures of my face. Also I can see muscles in my stomach but I damn sure am not posting that.
You should be proud to post a pic showing your “results”
I am a year and a half in to my new approach to eating. Before starting I was close to 240 pounds and was eating the standard Cajun diet.
I am not sure what to call how I eat now. Few carbs, but I eat blackberries and blueberries nearly every day. Typically I have a leafy vegetable, current favorite is lettuce with blue cheese and bacon. I eat a lot of fatty meats, Alaskan Wild caught salmon when available, eggs, bacon, cheese, pecans roasted in butter.
I will eat nothing processed, nothing with seed oils, no rice, no pasta, no bread, no sugars of any kind.
My weight runs from 204 to 208 depending on activity levels. I am stronger than I have been in years, but have not reached my goals. My flexibility is better than it has been in years. My joint pains have been greatly reduced.
The most important thing is I enjoy the lifestyle. I do not miss anything I no longer eat.
I have never checked my ketones, bought any keto food, or pay for any plans or programs.
Before and after pictures of my face. Also I can see muscles in my stomach but I damn sure am not posting that.
Lookin good Mike and happy for you. Any type of calorie restriction to cause calorie deficit will allow for weight loss.
rcamuglia, ("BYW that was close to 25 years ago.")
My math says 17 years ago. May 31, 2006. But thats OK. I know you have troubles with numbers, or just lie.
Either way, just because something happened 17 years ago in your past doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Or even worse, believing that it happened a long time ago, so now it's OK.
Rick CAMUGLIA, doing business as Paisano's Restaurant, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE; The Albuquerque Environmental Health Department; Guy Worthington, in his individual capacity and as an employee of the City of Albuquerque, Defendants-Appellees. No. 05-2128. United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit. May 31, 2006.
I know that this going back and forth is all in good Campfire fun. But it's getting a little redundant.
So I'll tell you what, You do what is working for you and I'll continue to do what works for me.
So I'll extend out the olive branch. What do you say we call it a truce? After all, Olives matter, Right.
Deflection. When you have nothing and can’t debate the topic with factual support
Liberals do it all the time
😆
No Deflection, This topic has been debated for 114 pages now. The information is not going to change. And opinions are not going to change. Most of the people that have offered their testimonial of life changing experiences have bowed out long ago.
So keep posting the info same over and over again, I have a family emergency to tend to.
You should be proud to post a pic showing your “results”
I am a year and a half in to my new approach to eating. Before starting I was close to 240 pounds and was eating the standard Cajun diet.
I am not sure what to call how I eat now. Few carbs, but I eat blackberries and blueberries nearly every day. Typically I have a leafy vegetable, current favorite is lettuce with blue cheese and bacon. I eat a lot of fatty meats, Alaskan Wild caught salmon when available, eggs, bacon, cheese, pecans roasted in butter.
I will eat nothing processed, nothing with seed oils, no rice, no pasta, no bread, no sugars of any kind.
My weight runs from 204 to 208 depending on activity levels. I am stronger than I have been in years, but have not reached my goals. My flexibility is better than it has been in years. My joint pains have been greatly reduced.
The most important thing is I enjoy the lifestyle. I do not miss anything I no longer eat.
I have never checked my ketones, bought any keto food, or pay for any plans or programs.
Before and after pictures of my face. Also I can see muscles in my stomach but I damn sure am not posting that.
Excellent real world summation. And you can customize this to add time restricted eating, but it starts here.
rcamuglia, ("BYW that was close to 25 years ago.")
My math says 17 years ago. May 31, 2006. But thats OK. I know you have troubles with numbers, or just lie.
Either way, just because something happened 17 years ago in your past doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Or even worse, believing that it happened a long time ago, so now it's OK.
Rick CAMUGLIA, doing business as Paisano's Restaurant, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE; The Albuquerque Environmental Health Department; Guy Worthington, in his individual capacity and as an employee of the City of Albuquerque, Defendants-Appellees. No. 05-2128. United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit. May 31, 2006.
I know that this going back and forth is all in good Campfire fun. But it's getting a little redundant.
So I'll tell you what, You do what is working for you and I'll continue to do what works for me.
So I'll extend out the olive branch. What do you say we call it a truce? After all, Olives matter, Right.
Deflection. When you have nothing and can’t debate the topic with factual support
Liberals do it all the time
😆
No Deflection, This topic has been debated for 114 pages now. The information is not going to change. And opinions are not going to change. Most of the people that have offered their testimonial of life changing experiences have bowed out long ago.
So keep posting the info same over and over again, I have a family emergency to tend to.
Good luck.
I am following your lead, I am out as well!
I hope that some people that have been struggling with their weight and health and have been following this thread have been helped by those of us that have benefitted from Intermittent Fasting, advice, and success stories.
This is what people think intermittent fasting is, they've seen it on Yellowstone...
John: Not hungry? Beth: Nuh-uh. I'm intermittent fasting. John: What's that mean? Beth: Nothing but coffee and cigarettes till noon, and then I can eat what the [bleep] I want till I start drinkin' at six. John: Well, I'd love to meet the doctor who came up with that diet.
Lookin good Mike and happy for you. Any type of calorie restriction to cause calorie deficit will allow for weight loss.
Some are better and healthier than others
👍🏼
I hope you still eat gumbo. Hold the rice? 😁
Thanks.
Ever once in a great while I will eat a cup of gumbo with no rice, still don’t like the vegetable oil and flour.
The great thing about the internet is we can all find some study to validate our views and opinions including mine and yours.
I also eat two meals a day inside a six hour window and seldom, if ever eat between meals. If I am not hungry for lunch I will eat one meal that day.
I think this has helped because I was pre diabetic when starting this way of eating. If anything it helps to keep glucose levels from spiking and in the long term will help with insulin resistance.
What ever works just do it. There is an obesity epidemic in the country that people think they can medicate their way out of. Remember most information on diet and health comes from the same people that brought us Covid vaccines. Do not trust the medical industry or big pharma. After my last test results my doctor finally said keep doing whatever it is you are doing.
In 2015, the journal "Cell Metabolism" published a study that should have been a game changer. Quite simply, the paper reported that contrary to current belief, restricting dietary fat can lead to a greater loss of body fat than restricting carbohydrates.
But hardly anyone took note of it. Why, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that this revelation was kind of inconvenient. It made people who'd been chanting the low-carb mantra over and over again for years – especially the keto people – get all itchy.
It's like the time when you espied your chain-smoking grandma accidentally dropping a cigarette ash the length of your pinky finger into the cake batter. Rather than start over, she coughed nervously, looked away, and quickly stirred the ashes into the batter and hoped no one would ever notice.
But the study in question is a big, Churchill-cigar sized ash that's too big and gnarly to hide.
What They Did
Scientists from the US National Institutes of Health, led by Dr. Kevin Hall, recruited 19 obese men and confined them to a metabolic ward for a pair of two-week periods. Everything they ate was carefully measured and allocated.
During the first two-week period, the men had their calories reduced by 30% through carb-restriction alone (not enough to induce ketosis, but low all the same). During the second two-week period, the conditions were reversed and the men reduced their calories through fat-restriction. Regardless of which nutrient was restricted, calorie intake remained the same. Each day, the researchers tracked how much body fat the participants burned.
What They Found
Those who had their dietary fat restricted lost 89 grams a day of body fat while those that had their dietary carbs restricted lost 53 grams per day.
And, in what amounts to a sharp, crystallized-sugar stick in the eye of ketogenic diet freaks, the researchers found that the role insulin played in the fat loss wasn't that big a deal.
True, the low-carb diet was less insulinogenic in general (and thus led to a greater amount of fat being burned), but the reduced fat diet resulted in more fat loss anyways, which puts a chink in the theory that high insulin output from high carbs results in less body fat loss and more body fat storage.
You might also want to forget about hopping on the wobbly-wheeled keto bandwagon. Besides the fact that its whole premise (almost no carbs in the diet, thus forcing the body to burn ketones) might be wrong, the keto diet stinks for athletes. It mucks up high intensity performance and resultant recovery, and it presents about the worst possible metabolic condition for muscle growth.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
This is what people think intermittent fasting is, they've seen it on Yellowstone...
John: Not hungry? Beth: Nuh-uh. I'm intermittent fasting. John: What's that mean? Beth: Nothing but coffee and cigarettes till noon, and then I can eat what the [bleep] I want till I start drinkin' at six. John: Well, I'd love to meet the doctor who came up with that diet.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
The "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
The "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
The "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
The "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
This thread would have went better if the originators would have reined in JR's googled bullchit from the beginning, instead of leaving it to others. I can only assume they agree with him.
“ The problem here is that damn on/off switch that most people have in their heads. That's the all-or-nothing way of thinking favored by people who don't like thinking very much. It's either:
All carbs are Hitler! Carbs are a Russian conspiracy! Carbs gave me a wedgie in the 7th grade!
Or...
Eat all the carbs, even the junk, because a calorie is a calorie! And calories in, calories out... or um, something!
In the wacky world of diet and nutrition, the pendulum always swings all the way to one side or the other, never stopping in the middle where common sense resides.
The low-carb crowd, some members of the paleo tribe, and the people who've taken "keto" to eating-disorder extremes, send out the wrong messages. While there's a time and place to reduce carbs for fat loss, it's seldom necessary to go zero carb. Just choose better carbs, and time them right.
What are better carbs? Well, here's my list:
CARBS TO CONSUME
Specialized workout nutrition supplements Rice. Yes, even white rice. Preferably even. Potatoes. All types. Beans. All types. Oatmeal and buckwheat Fruits and veggies
CARBS NOT TO CONSUME
Come on, you already know. You don't need a list of blatantly obvious crap. Making good carb choices is just common sense once you stop listening to the glassy-eyed diet cults out there. ”
The "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Hominins, when we broke from the apes who live on sugar and make all their own essential amino acids.
~ 8-10 Million years.
... 2.5 Million as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
... 0.5 Million with Cooking Fire.
... A few Thousand as grain/feed eaters.
... Around a Hundred on the "every Three hours" baby food diet.
GR
You the one on the far left.
Actually, second from the right.
Check the pick posted.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
Eight-Million years... and counting.
GR
You look amazing for 8 million.
Thanks.
Humans are like that, if you feed'em properly and keep'em busy.
This thread would have went better if the originators would have reined in JR's googled bullchit from the beginning, instead of leaving it to others. I can only assume they agree with him.
Kent
Don't assume too much. Trying to reign in this bunch is just not possible. I've put several nasty SOB's on ignore, and that's about the best any of us can hope for. Just imagine how great the thread would read if you simply didn't see all the [bleep] comments.
This thread would have went better if the originators would have reined in JR's googled bullchit from the beginning, instead of leaving it to others. I can only assume they agree with him.
Kent
Instead of whinin' and bein' scared?
Take a 60-day challenge and see for yourself.
Won't kill ya - in fact, quite the reverse.
Then you will actually know something.
Let me know, and I'll run you through the algorithm and give you a program.
I started this thread thinking everyone would agree with me and make my fragile self-esteem better, but some are disagreeing and supporting their arguments with scientific facts.
You probably missed the part that Worthington was a rogue inspector, was ultimately fired, and the health department completely gutted and redirected. I watched for months as restaurants were constantly being downgraded and closed and every local news channel reporting it with glee before they got to mine
The inspections took place and were immediately faxed to every station to report on the news, without due process.
What was their motivation for wanting to close restaurants?
Probably should also point out the most of the people I have met that were whipcord and no fat were druggies who work on the drugs whilst not eating, and those that drink, smoke, and don't eat also tend to the thin side.
Oh...and second weekend test. Made absolutely no difference at all, no hunger...nothing. Though still not having acid reflux after a big meal, which may have no relation to the not eating for 24 hours.
Another two weekends to go...but so far is looking like the whole premise is a load of self-aggrandising bullshit.
So...notice which bullshit artists didn't post pictures of their amazing results, a lot of youtube and a few stolen google pics.
But no pictures displaying amazing results.
Don’t think this directed at me but I can share a couple of photos. Not sure about amazing but my results have been very good. Been doing it for a year and a half and liking the lifestyle.
Me as well! I did my morning run in a fasted state! I ran 12 miles in 1 hour 32 minutes. I haven't fasted for several weeks so I'm due. I'll do two 36 hour fasts/ alternate day fasting and come Thursday I will run the 12 miles again and see whether my time improves or gets worse! If my run time improves noticeably there is little doubt left that fasting does indeed sort out the metabolic system in a good way. Most of these ignorant posters don't even know what a metabolic system is or how it works for that matter!
I'm expecting around a 15 minute faster run come Thursday but I guess we will all have to wait and see
. Just imagine how great the thread would read if you simply didn't see all the [bleep]
Your charlatan claims of weight loss without controlled calories and prayers curing cancer, are what made your thread junk.
How does Fasting... not reduce Calories?
How does eating reduced calorie low-starch Keto (< 20 g./day)... not reduce Calories?
The world is round.
You're just afraid of fallin' off the edge.
GR
I think another point that has been missed is that all calories are not equal as far as what is digested. Protein is more difficult for our bodies to digest as compared to carbohydrates. You can consume the exact amount of protein calories as compared to carbohydrate calories with the effect of reducing your caloric intake. Feeling full, but losing weight at the same time so to speak.
Calories in calories out... burn more calories than you take in and lose weight... where the calories come from depends on what activity and activity level... if your activity level is low to moderate, a diet with less sugar and carbs will have more results... if your activity level is high, carbs and sugars as fuel is fine.
Genetics also play a role in how your body processes foods.
Eating twice a day instead of 3 times is a tool that's been used forever, sometimes it's a necessity of lifestyle or because of opportunity. It's a common sense adaptation for calories in calories out. It doesn't stand alone, weight loss goes back to activity level and what type of fuel is being put in, you can gain weight eating twice a day.
Eating once a day is less common but still nothing new, it's getting close to full fasting, difficult to gain weight on one meal.
Full fasting isn't a daily diet program it also stands alone, that's why calling eating twice a day is just a sound bite calling it intermittent fasting... it confuses the line between diet and real fasting.
It's genetics, then activity, then what you eat/calories based on that (diet), occasional fasting thrown in.
A 50/60 year old man in today's world of information should be able to use common sense, evaluate his current circumstances and make adjustments.
Calories in calories out... burn more calories than you take in and lose weight... where the calories come from depends on what activity and activity level... if your activity level is low to moderate, a diet with less sugar and carbs will have more results... if your activity level is high, carbs and sugars as fuel is fine.
Genetics also play a role in how your body processes foods.
Eating twice a day instead of 3 times is a tool that's been used forever, sometimes it's a necessity of lifestyle or because of opportunity. It's a common sense adaptation for calories in calories out. It doesn't stand alone, weight loss goes back to activity level and what type of fuel is being put in, you can gain weight eating twice a day.
Eating once a day is less common but still nothing new, it's getting close to full fasting, difficult to gain weight on one meal.
Full fasting isn't a daily diet program it also stands alone, that's why calling eating twice a day is just a sound bite calling it intermittent fasting... it confuses the line between diet and real fasting.
It's genetics, then activity, then what you eat/calories based on that (diet), occasional fasting thrown in.
A 50/60 year old man in today's world of information should be able to use common sense, evaluate his current circumstances and make adjustments.
Kent
The Human body:
Works differently on a high-starch baby food diet high in Sugar v.s. a low-starch < 20 g. Net Carb diet in Ketoses.
Calories in calories out... burn more calories than you take in and lose weight... where the calories come from depends on what activity and activity level... if your activity level is low to moderate, a diet with less sugar and carbs will have more results... if your activity level is high, carbs and sugars as fuel is fine.
Genetics also play a role in how your body processes foods.
Eating twice a day instead of 3 times is a tool that's been used forever, sometimes it's a necessity of lifestyle or because of opportunity. It's a common sense adaptation for calories in calories out. It doesn't stand alone, weight loss goes back to activity level and what type of fuel is being put in, you can gain weight eating twice a day.
Eating once a day is less common but still nothing new, it's getting close to full fasting, difficult to gain weight on one meal.
Full fasting isn't a daily diet program it also stands alone, that's why calling eating twice a day is just a sound bite calling it intermittent fasting... it confuses the line between diet and real fasting.
It's genetics, then activity, then what you eat/calories based on that (diet), occasional fasting thrown in.
A 50/60 year old man in today's world of information should be able to use common sense, evaluate his current circumstances and make adjustments.
Kent
Some carbs may be fine as fuel, not all carbs are. Refined sugar is simply poison. It's no better than alcohol for energy. Like putting bad fuel in your vehicle, it may run a while, but it will eventually cause problems.
Don't make the mistake of thinking you can eat junk as long as you burn it off and don't get fat from it. Our bodies have to be repaired and renewed by the fuel we put in. If we don't get enough good nutrition or too much junk nutrition, there will be consequences.
It's funny I have mentioned the Kuna indigenous people that exist today, they are more like the 8 million old human than any of us. No one has taken the time to look it up.
They are famous for have very low chronic disease rates, they consume large rates of cocoa, coconut, fish and vegetables. It's the cocoa that sets them apart.
Duh... different lifestyles/activity levels require different sugar intake levels to be optimum.
Kent
What do you mean by sugar? Refined sugar is simply not healthy on any level. Just like alcohol in that respect.
Eating a 3 musketeers while packing elk quarters will have zero effect health wise and actually be beneficial in the short term energy wise.
Kent
It's just as healthy as taking a couple shots while packing it out. Who ever ate just one 3 Musketeers in their whole life? One cigarette won't kill you either, but a lifetime of them will, even if it is just one at a time. That processed junk isn't good for you at any level no matter what you are doing to "burn it off." Reading the label should be enough to see that.
Eat all the candy you want and have a shot. I might do the same but don't kid yourself that it's healthy or even harmless..
There's a difference between eating a bon bon sitting on the couch as a lifestyle and eating a bon bon running a marathon. If you want to continue sitting on the couch best to give up the bon bons.
Anything you buy in the store is processed, the label organic is a scam, it's all organic, it's all been genetically altered by now, it's all toxic according to those parameters.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
There's a difference between eating a bon bon sitting on the couch as a lifestyle and eating a bon bon running a marathon. If you want to continue sitting on the couch best to give up the bon bons.
Anything you buy in the store is processed, the label organic is a scam, it's all organic, it's all been genetically altered by now, it's all toxic according to those parameters.
Kent
Well, sitting on the couch isn't a good lifestyle choice no matter what you are eating, and a bob bon would be one of the worst things to eat. Couch guy doesn't give a damn about his health.
On the other hand, the active lifestyle guy shouldn't think he can get away with eating junk just because he's active. All fuel is not created equal. That junk affects you more than you realize or want to admit.
I don't eat candy ever. My weakness is a couple glasses of red wine to possibly a bottle, but I don't pretend it's good for me just because I can cycle 50 miles the next day.
There's a difference between eating a bon bon sitting on the couch as a lifestyle and eating a bon bon running a marathon. If you want to continue sitting on the couch best to give up the bon bons.
Anything you buy in the store is processed, the label organic is a scam, it's all organic, it's all been genetically altered by now, it's all toxic according to those parameters.
Kent
Well, sitting on the couch isn't a good lifestyle choice no matter what you are eating, and a bob bon would be one of the worst things to eat. Couch guy doesn't give a damn about his health.
On the other hand, the active lifestyle guy shouldn't think he can get away with eating junk just because he's active. All fuel is not created equal. That junk affects you more than you realize or want to admit.
I don't eat candy ever. My weakness is a couple glasses of red wine to possibly a bottle, but I don't pretend it's good for me just because I can cycle 50 miles the next day.
A smartwatch will tell a person the reality of their lifestyle which is all anybody interested in achieving fitness needs to be told.
In today's world about everything we eat is processed, GMOed... labels of organic, cage free, free range, natural don't change that.
Sentimentally I'm against the change, being older and how I was raised.
But there's no denying people are living longer, bigger, stronger, faster and the big difference is looking much younger than 2 generations ago. Is it the genetically altered food or the more sedentary life style vs how hard they had to physically work previous generations?
Hard to say, probably a combination.
That combination may lead to overweight, it can't be the persons fault that they sit around, must be the food's fault.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
There's a difference between eating a bon bon sitting on the couch as a lifestyle and eating a bon bon running a marathon. If you want to continue sitting on the couch best to give up the bon bons.
Anything you buy in the store is processed, the label organic is a scam, it's all organic, it's all been genetically altered by now, it's all toxic according to those parameters.
Kent
Well, sitting on the couch isn't a good lifestyle choice no matter what you are eating, and a bob bon would be one of the worst things to eat. Couch guy doesn't give a damn about his health.
On the other hand, the active lifestyle guy shouldn't think he can get away with eating junk just because he's active. All fuel is not created equal. That junk affects you more than you realize or want to admit.
I don't eat candy ever. My weakness is a couple glasses of red wine to possibly a bottle, but I don't pretend it's good for me just because I can cycle 50 miles the next day.
A smartwatch will tell a person the reality of their lifestyle which is all anybody interested in achieving fitness needs to be told.
But the cult members simply can't accept it.
Because they're in a cult.
Finally, you say something intelligent.
Going to get one myself. Recovering from surgery has slowed me down, but I can still keep up with you. How old are you Flave?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
In today's world about everything we eat is processed, GMOed... labels of organic, cage free, free range, natural don't change that.
Sentimentally I'm against the change, being older and how I was raised.
But there's no denying people are living longer, bigger, stronger, faster and the big difference is looking much younger than 2 generations ago. Is it the genetically altered food or the more sedentary life style vs how hard they had to physically work previous generations?
Hard to say, probably a combination.
That combination may lead to overweight, it can't be the persons fault that they sit around, must be the food's fault.
Kent
There's some truth in all that, but we can still make better food choices. Don't use the excuse that everything is bad for you to eat like you don't give a crap. High activity and exercise are great, but you can't be healthy without both exercise AND a healthy diet.
If a dog was unhealthy, you wouldn't ignore his diet and focus on exercise alone. If that overweight dog was eating people food, that would be the first thing to address. Looks like if we can apply that kind of simple common sense to animals, we should be able to use it on ourselves.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
In today's world about everything we eat is processed, GMOed... labels of organic, cage free, free range, natural don't change that.
Sentimentally I'm against the change, being older and how I was raised.
But there's no denying people are living longer, bigger, stronger, faster and the big difference is looking much younger than 2 generations ago. Is it the genetically altered food or the more sedentary life style vs how hard they had to physically work previous generations?
Hard to say, probably a combination.
That combination may lead to overweight, it can't be the persons fault that they sit around, must be the food's fault.
Kent
There's some truth in all that, but we can still make better food choices. Don't use the excuse that everything is bad for you to eat like you don't give a crap. High activity and exercise are great, but you can't be healthy without both exercise AND a healthy diet.
If a dog was unhealthy, you wouldn't ignore his diet and focus on exercise alone. If that overweight dog was eating people food, that would be the first thing to address. Looks like if we can apply that kind of simple common sense to animals, we should be able to use it on ourselves.
You aren't going to be healthier than me not eating a candy bar over when I eat one being active. That's what it boils down to.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Not any kind of a health nut, and my body is not in good shape, but I have known Kent for a long time and if he tells you a chicken dips snuff, look under the left wing for the snuffbox. miles
Not any kind of a health nut, and my body is not in good shape, but I have known Kent for a long time and if he tells you a chicken dips snuff, look under the left wing for the snuffbox. miles
LOL... I'm just trying to inject common sense here.
In today's world about everything we eat is processed, GMOed... labels of organic, cage free, free range, natural don't change that.
Sentimentally I'm against the change, being older and how I was raised.
But there's no denying people are living longer, bigger, stronger, faster and the big difference is looking much younger than 2 generations ago. Is it the genetically altered food or the more sedentary life style vs how hard they had to physically work previous generations?
Hard to say, probably a combination.
That combination may lead to overweight, it can't be the persons fault that they sit around, must be the food's fault.
Kent
There's some truth in all that, but we can still make better food choices. Don't use the excuse that everything is bad for you to eat like you don't give a crap. High activity and exercise are great, but you can't be healthy without both exercise AND a healthy diet.
If a dog was unhealthy, you wouldn't ignore his diet and focus on exercise alone. If that overweight dog was eating people food, that would be the first thing to address. Looks like if we can apply that kind of simple common sense to animals, we should be able to use it on ourselves.
You aren't going to be healthier than me not eating a candy bar over when I eat one being active. That's what it boils down to.
Kent
No.
Your "every Three hour" baby food diet candybar will give you a sugar rush and insulin spike from the part it metabolizes...
... followed by a crash, while your body makes fat out of the rest of it, which you won't have access to, because the sugar keeps you out of Ketosis.
... and, or course, metabolic disease down the road.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
And I know, for a Fact... that I can go Seven(7) days, full schedule, on Water/Coffee/Salt/Chelated Minerals.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
I actually agree with eating carbs during extended activity unless weight loss is a goal, but not in the form of candy bars. If you can't function on any level without eating a candy bar, then your metabolism is messed up. That quick sugar energy only spikes insulin which in turn lowers blood sugar and makes you weak and hungry again. You need slower digested carbs and less insulin sensitivity to provide extended energy. If you ONLY eat a few candy bars when elk hunting, it's not that big of a deal, but if you eat enough of them all the time that you have to eat them elk hunting, then that's a problem.
My 50 miles would be on a 35 lb. MTB, up and down hills and rough trails and it would take me more like 8-10 hours. Neither have I spent all my life sitting on the couch eating bon bons.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
I actually agree with eating carbs during extended activity unless weight loss is a goal, but not in the form of candy bars. If you can't function on any level without eating a candy bar, then your metabolism is messed up. That quick sugar energy only spikes insulin which in turn lowers blood sugar and makes you weak and hungry again. You need slower digested carbs and less insulin sensitivity to provide extended energy.
My 50 miles would be on a 35 lb. MTB, up and down hills and rough trails and it would take me more like 8-10 hours. Neither have I spent all my life sitting on the couch eating bon bons.
Why eat Carbs, at 4 Cal./g., that kick you out of Ketosis and lose access to your Stored fat?
Instead of... wait for it... eating Fat, at 9 Cal./g., and Stay in Ketosis, and retain access to your stored fat.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
I actually agree with eating carbs during extended activity unless weight loss is a goal, but not in the form of candy bars. If you can't function on any level without eating a candy bar, then your metabolism is messed up. That quick sugar energy only spikes insulin which in turn lowers blood sugar and makes you weak and hungry again. You need slower digested carbs and less insulin sensitivity to provide extended energy. If you ONLY eat a few candy bars when elk hunting, it's not that big of a deal, but if you eat enough of them all the time that you have to eat them elk hunting, then that's a problem.
My 50 miles would be on a 35 lb. MTB, up and down hills and rough trails and it would take me more like 8-10 hours. Neither have I spent all my life sitting on the couch eating bon bons.
Serious question not a gottcha, I think you said you got around 300lbs, maybe someone else... but what was the biggest factor in your view that made to get to your heaviest weight?
Not any kind of a health nut, and my body is not in good shape, but I have known Kent for a long time and if he tells you a chicken dips snuff, look under the left wing for the snuffbox. miles
LOL... I'm just trying to inject common sense here.
Kent
Like the earth's mostly flat, but watch out for the edge of the horizon, anyway.
Ha!
You are wrong, in that you don't understand how the Human body works...
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
And I know, for a Fact... that I can go Seven(7) days, full schedule, on Water/Coffee/Salt/Chelated Minerals.
In exchange for ~ 4.5 lbs. of stored fat.
No sweat.
Because I did it a few weeks ago.
So ya know.
GR
This is no lie, I hadn't worked in 2 1/2 weeks until last thursday, besides laying out a foundation which is easy 4hrs measuring and painting lines, I did work around the house every day. I had got over 170 to about 173lbs, I like to run 165 to 170. I have a summertime weight and winter, about 10lbs different. Really trying not to work summers anymore but select customers that don't have another option. I haven't really lost all the winter weight, usually run just over 160. I'm not complaining I'm 66 and don't need to work.
Anyway, thursday and friday were heavy lifting days, temps up to 114 and I had 4 hrs saturday morning finishing up small stuff for an inspection today. Because of this thread I weighted myself thursday morning... 173... was 169.8 after work... I understand water weight, have for 45 years... that evening at bedtime I was 172.6,.. friday morning I was 171.3... after work I was 168.9... got about 170 after dinner.
Laid around sunday
This morning I was 167.6...
just weighted after coffee and breakfast...
Hope someone doesn't have some unhealthy foot fetish..
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
I actually agree with eating carbs during extended activity unless weight loss is a goal, but not in the form of candy bars. If you can't function on any level without eating a candy bar, then your metabolism is messed up. That quick sugar energy only spikes insulin which in turn lowers blood sugar and makes you weak and hungry again. You need slower digested carbs and less insulin sensitivity to provide extended energy. If you ONLY eat a few candy bars when elk hunting, it's not that big of a deal, but if you eat enough of them all the time that you have to eat them elk hunting, then that's a problem.
My 50 miles would be on a 35 lb. MTB, up and down hills and rough trails and it would take me more like 8-10 hours. Neither have I spent all my life sitting on the couch eating bon bons.
Serious question not a gottcha, I think you said you got around 300lbs, maybe someone else... but what was the biggest factor in your view that made to get to your heaviest weight?
Genetics, inactivity or food?
Kent
Honest answer I was always overweight from 6 years old to 50. I was also strong at 6'2 250 ish most of my adult life. I was overweight from poor diet of processed carbs, sugar and starch mostly. We were dirt poor growing up and biscuits and flour gravy made from squirrel, rabbit, coon, possum, was that main staple growing up.
I was strong as hell because dad used me for a mule. He couldn't afford a real one. We hauled pulp wood without a loader, and firewood in between. I got into timber cutting and house construction later on. I was always 50 lbs. overweight but didn't let it bother me since I could out work and out lift those little guys. I always went farthest with the heaviest packs too when with my hunting buddies. I thought all that made up for my poor diet and since nearly everybody was a little fat I never thought much about it.
As I got older I started having back and knee problems so started doing less activity. I still ate the same though and that started a spiral to getting heavier and heavier. I took a desk job making even more money with less exercise because of 12- 16 hour work days until I had enough and tried to take a radical look at getting healthier. I got up to 360-380 maybe at my heaviest, but I could still have thrown a 200 lb. man over my shoulder and ran with him a short distance anyway. I was a mess though on pain pills and injections to keep going.
I'm not radical about diet except that I think most of us don't eat as healthy as we should or could and make excuses about it. I don't care if you have a candy bar, but you can't convince me that it's healthy or as innocent as we pretend it is. There's a real problem with sugar addiction in this country. It doesn't even matter how active you are, or how thin you are, sugar has real detrimental effects on health just like alcohol.
Got a thin active family member in intensive care right now for heart issues. I know for a fact that he is a snacker most of the day on junk food. He often bragged that he needed the sugar to work as hard as he did. Did the sugar cause his problems, maybe. There's evidence enough about the detrimental effects of processed foods high in sugar to make me think that it might have caused his trouble. I know for sure it didn't help his health.
Why eat Carbs, at 4 Cal./g., that kick you out of Ketosis and lose access to your Stored fat?
Instead of... wait for it... eating Fat, at 9 Cal./g., and Stay in Ketosis, and retain access to your stored fat.
Because people don't perform as well in high intensity aerobic activities on ketones as well as they do on glucose.
Whether packing out an elk qualifies as a high intensity aerobic activity probably depends on how a person does it.
This was my last archery tag, I was 60. Killed him on the 13th day of a 14 day hunt. wasn't a pack in hunt but I put a lot of miles on. I followed these elk for over 3 miles and killed him a 10am. The choice was back the way I came 3 miles of rolling up and down, or straight up a mile to the rim road above. I chose straight up. It was one load out the three miles to my truck, back to camp to eat big, then gps to above the elk and another load before dark. Next day was 3 loads down and up, rifle season started the next day and I wanted to be out of there before.
Almost to the top the sun had set, last load, a bull was bugling below, I stopped to take it in... likely my last full out solo archery bull hunt... I was tired but it was sweet.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
And I know, for a Fact... that I can go Seven(7) days, full schedule, on Water/Coffee/Salt/Chelated Minerals.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
I actually agree with eating carbs during extended activity unless weight loss is a goal, but not in the form of candy bars. If you can't function on any level without eating a candy bar, then your metabolism is messed up. That quick sugar energy only spikes insulin which in turn lowers blood sugar and makes you weak and hungry again. You need slower digested carbs and less insulin sensitivity to provide extended energy. If you ONLY eat a few candy bars when elk hunting, it's not that big of a deal, but if you eat enough of them all the time that you have to eat them elk hunting, then that's a problem.
My 50 miles would be on a 35 lb. MTB, up and down hills and rough trails and it would take me more like 8-10 hours. Neither have I spent all my life sitting on the couch eating bon bons.
Serious question not a gottcha, I think you said you got around 300lbs, maybe someone else... but what was the biggest factor in your view that made to get to your heaviest weight?
Genetics, inactivity or food?
Kent
Honest answer I was always overweight from 6 years old to 50. I was also strong at 6'2 250 ish most of my adult life. I was overweight from poor diet of processed carbs, sugar and starch mostly. We were dirt poor growing up and biscuits and flour gravy made from squirrel, rabbit, coon, possum, was that main staple growing up.
I was strong as hell because dad used me for a mule. He couldn't afford a real one. We hauled pulp wood without a loader, and firewood in between. I got into timber cutting and house construction later on. I was always 50 lbs. overweight but didn't let it bother me since I could out work and out lift those little guys. I always went farthest with the heaviest packs too when with my hunting buddies. I thought all that made up for my poor diet and since nearly everybody was a little fat I never thought much about it.
As I got older I started having back and knee problems so started doing less activity. I still ate the same though and that started a spiral to getting heavier and heavier. I took a desk job making even more money with less exercise because of 12- 16 hour work days until I had enough and tried to take a radical look at getting healthier. I got up to 360-380 maybe at my heaviest, but I could still have thrown a 200 lb. man over my shoulder and ran with him a short distance anyway. I was a mess though on pain pills and injections to keep going.
I'm not radical about diet except that I think most of us don't eat as healthy as we should or could and make excuses about it. I don't care if you have a candy bar, but you can't convince me that it's healthy or as innocent as we pretend it is. There's a real problem with sugar addiction in this country. It doesn't even matter how active you are, or how thin you are, sugar has real detrimental effects on health just like alcohol.
Got a thin active family member in intensive care right now for heart issues. I know for a fact that he is a snacker most of the day on junk food. He often bragged that he needed the sugar to work as hard as he did. Did the sugar cause his problems, maybe. There's evidence enough about the detrimental effects of processed foods high in sugar to make me think that it might have caused his trouble. I know for sure it didn't help his health.
Thanks for the answer.
So it's genetics first, activity second and eating behavior last.
Your family member it's genetics also.
Our childhoods are similar, work like a man from 4 years old, I was small but had the same strength as the bigger guys, had to do as much with less I guess... country strong we both were.
My family lives well into their 90s unless the cancer gets you... good old country food and sugar.
My dad is 92 and cruising, his brother is 94 and fell hitting his head last year and never has recovered having some strokes, surprised he's still alive. Grandmother was 97, grandfather born in 1900 was 86, died of emphysema smoking cigarettes.
For me it'll be genetics. I don't care to get to the age I can't drive and be dependent like my dad, or my body still going but my mind gone... he's showing signs.
Why eat Carbs, at 4 Cal./g., that kick you out of Ketosis and lose access to your Stored fat?
Instead of... wait for it... eating Fat, at 9 Cal./g., and Stay in Ketosis, and retain access to your stored fat.
Because people don't perform as well in high intensity aerobic activities on ketones as well as they do on glucose.
Whether packing out an elk qualifies as a high intensity aerobic activity probably depends on how a person does it.
For most people a carb approach on healthy carbs wouldn't be bad. Most people aren't in ketosis and probably don't always want to be anyway. Ketosis is the best way to lose weight IMHO, but not everyone is concerned about losing weight. Someone who regularly consumes carbs doesn't need to go without carbs suddenly and expect to perform at a high level.
If you have been in ketosis often enough and long enough for your mitochondria to change for optimized fat burning, then you can go quite a while on ketones alone. When you burn through all the stored energy in your body though, even when burning ketones, you will have to replenish that energy. In my experience that replenishment takes a bit longer if you are digesting low carbs. High fat low carbs seem to take me farther between refuels, but it takes longer to refuel.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
And I know, for a Fact... that I can go Seven(7) days, full schedule, on Water/Coffee/Salt/Chelated Minerals.
In exchange for ~ 5 lbs. of stored fat.
No sweat.
Because I did it a few weeks ago.
So ya know.
GR
Were you using a shovel then as well?
This time?
No ditches or footings.
Over the last several years?
Lots.
Currently mostly the run and a coupla hrs. in the gym and handball court every day, plus field work.
The thing is: Ketones are an Industrial Fuel for the human body.
Two oxygen molecules, compared to the one on the sugar.
So it's like walkin' down hill, or runnin' with a tail wind.
Dig like a steam-shovel all day, or chop and split wood, as repetitive labor is what it excels at.
And, when in ketosis, because the body does not distinguish between dietary or stored fat (feeding or fasting)?
Eat a good keto breakfast, or not, and then work all day if you need to, on water and black coffee alone.
Why eat Carbs, at 4 Cal./g., that kick you out of Ketosis and lose access to your Stored fat?
Instead of... wait for it... eating Fat, at 9 Cal./g., and Stay in Ketosis, and retain access to your stored fat.
Because people don't perform as well in high intensity aerobic activities on ketones as well as they do on glucose.
Whether packing out an elk qualifies as a high intensity aerobic activity probably depends on how a person does it.
For most people a carb approach on healthy carbs wouldn't be bad. Most people aren't in ketosis and probably don't always want to be anyway. Ketosis is the best way to lose weight IMHO, but not everyone is concerned about losing weight. Someone who regularly consumes carbs doesn't need to go without carbs suddenly and expect to perform at a high level.
If you have been in ketosis often enough and long enough for your mitochondria to change for optimized fat burning, then you can go quite a while on ketones alone. When you burn through all the stored energy in your body though, even when burning ketones, you will have to replenish that energy. In my experience that replenishment takes a bit longer if you are digesting low carbs. High fat low carbs seem to take me farther between refuels, but it takes longer to refuel.
Carbs - are simply folded, bonded sugar, so, there are no, "good or bad," ones.
There is only high and low Carb foods.
And, if they are Human foods, you need to be able to eat them raw.
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger School.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a hunk of chocolate is healthier for you than a buttered tortilla... and a leaf of lettuce won't help pack an elk out.
Kent
I wouldn't tell you to pack lettuce, but a bag of nuts, dried berries and dried fruit would have been a lot better choice than a 3 Musketeers. A couple cans of Sardines would have been even better, but only if you are adapted to low carb.
Going high glycemic like the 3 Musketeers will only drive blood sugar up and cause a steep drop afterwards, leaving you weak and hungry again. I've made lots of high carb healthier snacks using toasted oats, and combinations of dates, walnuts, and unsweet cholate. Do high carb if you want, but at least get it in the healthiest form you can.
I mean hell, most of us are way more particular about the fuel we use in our trucks than what we eat and drink.
The difference here is I don't think you pack for extended periods and weight, so your berries don't hack it. My backpack food includes nuts and dried fruit, homemade jerky, the base though is carbs and sugars. I've been there done that.
Kent
As long as you are trying to say that candy bars are healthy as long as you are bad ass enough, we are just going to have to disagree. Your ben there and done that only tells me that you are too old to learn anything new. That's Ok, my best wishes, but there's no reason for me to continue to try to convince you.
It means you don't know from experience that you are right, just guessing.
I know for a fact I can't exist on berries, nuts, jerky, dried fruit on an extended backpack hunt or packing an elk out for two hard days, usually about 20 hours, tough terrain, heavy weight.
What's it take you to ride 50 miles, 4 hours, unweighted?
Kent
And I know, for a Fact... that I can go Seven(7) days, full schedule, on Water/Coffee/Salt/Chelated Minerals.
In exchange for ~ 5 lbs. of stored fat.
No sweat.
Because I did it a few weeks ago.
So ya know.
GR
Were you using a shovel then as well?
This time?
No ditches or footings.
Over the last several years?
Lots.
Currently mostly the run and a coupla hrs. in the gym and handball court every day, plus field work.
The thing is: Ketones are an Industrial Fuel for the human body.
Two oxygen molecules, compared to the one on the sugar.
So it's like walkin' down hill, or runnin' with a tail wind.
Dig like a steam-shovel all day, or chop and split wood, as repetitive labor is what it excels at.
And, when in ketosis, because the body does not distinguish between dietary or stored fat (feeding or fasting)?
Eat a good keto breakfast, or not, and then work all day if you need to, on water and black coffee alone.
Eight Million years... and counting.
GR
I figured you'd be using a shovel to sling all the chit you post here.
Why eat Carbs, at 4 Cal./g., that kick you out of Ketosis and lose access to your Stored fat?
Instead of... wait for it... eating Fat, at 9 Cal./g., and Stay in Ketosis, and retain access to your stored fat.
Because people don't perform as well in high intensity aerobic activities on ketones as well as they do on glucose.
Whether packing out an elk qualifies as a high intensity aerobic activity probably depends on how a person does it.
For most people a carb approach on healthy carbs wouldn't be bad. Most people aren't in ketosis and probably don't always want to be anyway. Ketosis is the best way to lose weight IMHO, but not everyone is concerned about losing weight. Someone who regularly consumes carbs doesn't need to go without carbs suddenly and expect to perform at a high level.
If you have been in ketosis often enough and long enough for your mitochondria to change for optimized fat burning, then you can go quite a while on ketones alone. When you burn through all the stored energy in your body though, even when burning ketones, you will have to replenish that energy. In my experience that replenishment takes a bit longer if you are digesting low carbs. High fat low carbs seem to take me farther between refuels, but it takes longer to refuel.
Carbs - are simply folded, bonded sugar, so, there are no, "good or bad," ones.
There is only high and low Carb foods.
And, if they are Human foods, you need to be able to eat them raw.
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger School.
Human... is.
Everything else is not.
Eight Million years... and counting.
GR
That is just not true. If you call bad carbs the ones associated with health risks and call good carbs those associated with good health, then there is certainly a difference. Look into what is known as "The Blue Zone studies." this is the longest running statistical analysis of different diets around the world that produce the longest-lived healthiest people. Many had high carb diets, but they were not processed and refined. Yams was a major proportion of one diet as I remember.
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger
I am no nutritionalist but I am comfortable eating an apple with ~25 net carbs without jeopardizing my health.
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger
I am no nutritionalist but I am comfortable eating an apple with ~25 net carbs without jeopardizing my health.
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger
I am no nutritionalist but I am comfortable eating an apple with ~25 net carbs without jeopardizing my health.
You’re one weird dude….
Good for you.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through high-starch and sugar food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
And the only, "healthy," Carb approach, is to keep the Net Carbs < 20 g./day, unless you are gorging, to store fat, for Winter, or a prolonged ordeal like BUDs or Ranger
I am no nutritionalist but I am comfortable eating an apple with ~25 net carbs without jeopardizing my health.
You’re one weird dude….
He's more like two or three dudes worth of weird.
The Circle-Jerk King!
Welcome back, with your quick hand and lack of meaningful contribution.
Says he hates diet talk, because once you cut out processed foods and sugar, there is no proof one diet is better than another..... but there are lots of opinions.
He does love exercise talk, became there is proof that for most people, more is better.
Don't make the mistake of thinking you can eat junk as long as you burn it off and don't get fat from it. Our bodies have to be repaired and renewed by the fuel we put in. If we don't get enough good nutrition or too much junk nutrition, there will be consequences.
If cancer can be cured through prayers as you promote, why didn't you use prayers to solve the your obesity or prayers to repair the body after sugar consumption?
Basically, if you can perform miracles through prayer why the need to bother with science/good nutrition?
If cancer can be cured through prayers as you promote, why didn't you use prayers to solve the your obesity or prayers to repair the body after sugar consumption?
Basically, if you can perform miracles through prayer why the need to bother with science/good nutrition?
"According to the American Heart Association (AHA), the maximum amount of added sugars you should eat in a day are:
Men: 150 calories per day (37.5 grams or 9 teaspoons) Women: 100 calories per day (25 grams or 6 teaspoons) To put that into perspective, one 12-ounce (355-mL) can of Coke contains 140 calories from sugar, while a regular-sized Snickers bar contains 120 calories from sugar.
In contrast, the US dietary guidelines advise people to limit their intake to less than 10% of their daily calorie intake. For a person eating 2,000 calories per day, this would equal 50 grams of sugar, or about 12.5 teaspoons .
If you’re healthy and active, these are reasonable recommendations. You’ll probably burn off these small amounts of sugar without them causing you any harm."
Do you also think that more than 12.5 teaspoons of sugar are perfectly fine as long as that activity is burning it off? In other words, eat as much sugar as you need as long as you are active enough that it doesn't make you fat.
Do you also think that more than 12.5 teaspoons of sugar are perfectly fine as long as that activity is burning it off? In other words, eat as much sugar as you need as long as you are active enough that it doesn't make you fat.
Not a gotcha question.
Sure, at a level common with any food. The problem with sugar and inactivity is on the cellular level, it has to get there and stay there.
Do you also think that more than 12.5 teaspoons of sugar are perfectly fine as long as that activity is burning it off? In other words, eat as much sugar as you need as long as you are active enough that it doesn't make you fat.
Not a gotcha question.
Sure, at a level common with any food. The problem with sugar and inactivity is on the cellular level, it has to get there and stay there.
Kent
There's a lot more problems associated with increased sugar intake than just weight gain.
Do you also think that more than 12.5 teaspoons of sugar are perfectly fine as long as that activity is burning it off? In other words, eat as much sugar as you need as long as you are active enough that it doesn't make you fat.
Not a gotcha question.
Sure, at a level common with any food. The problem with sugar and inactivity is on the cellular level, it has to get there and stay there.
Kent
There's a lot more problems associated with increased sugar intake than just weight gain.
Not in real world application if it's burned off at the time. Theory goes back to sun and fish.
Refined sugar in real world application means concentrated, they've removed the bulk. But it still has a calorie number. If the average person with average activity should only have 10% of their daily diet as sugars, at 2000 calories that's 200 of sugar, that's more than a candy bar or soda.
If you are much more active those numbers change because the daily calories change.
If you are overweight those numbers change and your daily calories should change.
Do you also think that more than 12.5 teaspoons of sugar are perfectly fine as long as that activity is burning it off? In other words, eat as much sugar as you need as long as you are active enough that it doesn't make you fat.
Not a gotcha question.
Sure, at a level common with any food. The problem with sugar and inactivity is on the cellular level, it has to get there and stay there.
Kent
There's a lot more problems associated with increased sugar intake than just weight gain.
Not in real world application if it's burned off at the time. Theory goes back to sun and fish.
Kent
I think you would change your mind on this if you researched it enough.
Health comes down to cellular structure, to simplify it... balance... to much of one thing is out of balance.
I don't think any person can be perfectly balanced, it's just impossible.
But staying in the middle as best as possible and not getting fanatical is a good policy.
Kent
I don't see what's so fanatical about not eating candy bars. If someone can't, then it's obviously an addiction issue. There's not one nutritionist in the world that would tell you a candy bar is healthy. They might tell you that you can eat a certain amount of sugar without it having measurable detrimental effects but that's a long way from it being good for you.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I'm seriously considering giving up my daily junk food (sugar) for health reasons. Can't seem to get motivated to start, but in 40 weeks I could have a new clays shotty and probably 15lbs less of me to lump around with it.
I'm seriously considering giving up my daily junk food (sugar) for health reasons. Can't seem to get motivated to start, but in 40 weeks I could have a new clays shotty and probably 15lbs less of me to lump around with it.
I've had a bit of practice losing weight and maintaining it. If I want to lose weight, I have to cut out sugar and high glycemic carbs.
Originally Posted by krp
Nothing wrong with eating 'clean'... as long as it's a balanced clean.
Same with eating 'dirty'
Kent
Junk food keto like processed meats and all the seed oils is no healthier than a processed food high sugar diet.
It shouldn't be an argument that a whole food low sugar diet would be healthier than a high sugar mostly processed food diet, but it always is.
Health comes down to cellular structure, to simplify it... balance... to much of one thing is out of balance.
I don't think any person can be perfectly balanced, it's just impossible.
But staying in the middle as best as possible and not getting fanatical is a good policy.
Kent
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through High-starch and Sugar "every Three hour" baby food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Health - comes from being Human, and that is Ketogenic, unless one is storing fat on purpose, and then only for brief periods.
Not any kind of a health nut, and my body is not in good shape, but I have known Kent for a long time and if he tells you a chicken dips snuff, look under the left wing for the snuffbox. miles
LOL... I'm just trying to inject common sense here.
Moderate calorie deficit + carbs eaten mainly on weightlifting days + higher protein meals + mid-afternoon protein snack (bar or shake) + low alcohol intake has pretty much always worked for me. I've still got about 10lbs to take off that I've had hanging around the last couple years, but it does come off. I'm not as afraid of carbs as I used to be, but I try to look at them as fuel that I may or may not need, depending on the day. I like having a handful of granola and a banana before I walk into the gym.
Serious question not a gottcha, I think you said you got around 300lbs, maybe someone else... but what was the biggest factor in your view that made to get to your heaviest weight?
Genetics, inactivity or food?
Kent
Great question, I wanted to ask this last week, of everybody, but couldn't find "delicate enough" words !
Serious question not a gottcha, I think you said you got around 300lbs, maybe someone else... but what was the biggest factor in your view that made to get to your heaviest weight?
Genetics, inactivity or food?
Kent
Great question, I wanted to ask this last week, of everybody, but couldn't find "delicate enough" words !
Then I gave up.
If one is in the bell curve of Human genetics - it is non-human food.
Exercise helps, and will accelerate both health and weigh loss, but will not prevent the metabolic disease caused by non-human food.
I think I remember reading about a study where rats were fed the SAD (Standard American Diet) and they pretty much got fat about as fast as possible. Like it was a scientifically sound way to rapidly put weight on the rats, a "perfect storm" if you will. I know when I was in my 20's I went from going to school and working part time in a lumberyard to an office job in an adjoining city. I ate out at lunch every day and it was a goal to try a big helping of something delicious all the time. I think I picked up about 25-30lbs in maybe a year or year and half. I went back to eating how I ate while growing up (mostly meat/vegetables/some starch) while watching overall calories and it came back off.
I think I remember reading about a study where rats were fed the SAD (Standard American Diet) and they pretty much got fat about as fast as possible. Like it was a scientifically sound way to rapidly put weight on the rats, a "perfect storm" if you will. I know when I was in my 20's I went from going to school and working part time in a lumberyard to an office job in an adjoining city. I ate out at lunch every day and it was a goal to try a big helping of something delicious all the time. I think I picked up about 25-30lbs in maybe a year or year and half. I went back to eating how I ate while growing up (mostly meat/vegetables/some starch) while watching overall calories and it came back off.
I think the most important thing is to be able to evaluate yourself honestly and make adjustments accordingly. Not directing that at anybody but just my best thought from dieting and experimenting with different diets over a bit more than 5 years. It's harder than most realize to be objective about your own health and what you could do to improve it. I think that's a big reason there's always so much push back from some people about what you may think should be common sense.
"According to the American Heart Association (AHA), the maximum amount of added sugars you should eat in a day are:
Men: 150 calories per day (37.5 grams or 9 teaspoons)
the US dietary guidelines advise people to limit their intake to less than 10% of their daily calorie intake. "
I would not trust either for anything.
Everyone in my family of my generation or the previous generation takes or took high blood pressure medicine... except me. Everyone in my family of my generation or the previous generation was or is fat... except me.
Refined sugar in real world application means concentrated, they've removed the bulk. But it still has a calorie number. If the average person with average activity should only have 10% of their daily diet as sugars, at 2000 calories that's 200 of sugar, that's more than a candy bar or soda.
If you are much more active those numbers change because the daily calories change.
If you are overweight those numbers change and your daily calories should change.
Kent
There is such a thing as sugar addiction. It can be seen anywhere you go. I quit smoking cigarettes over 10 years ago. I can never have another as long as I live, because if I smoke one I would be buying them by the carton inside of a month.
Sugar addiction for me was no where near as bad as cigarettes, however why tempt fate and eat a candy bar today, a bowl of ice cream tomorrow, an honey bun in the deer stand, etc. The amazing thing is I no longer miss sweets.
On another note about weight loss, high carb diets especially those with hydrogenated oils, enriched flour, wheat tend to be inflammatory. Diets comprising of mostly meat and certain vegetables are not. There is no way I can say how much of my weight loss was from removing the inflammation from my body but for a while I lost weight so fast it scared me.
Anyway carry on, eat smart, exercise, don’t trust big pharma, the American Heart Association, or the American Diabetes Association.
My Dad died at 42 (cancer), both his brothers had heart bypasses in their 50s, his sister and youngest brother both died around 62 years old from diabetes related illnesses.
I am 60, on no medicine, BP is great, numbers are good. I will fight the genetic component until the end through diet and exercise.
Refined sugar in real world application means concentrated, they've removed the bulk. But it still has a calorie number. If the average person with average activity should only have 10% of their daily diet as sugars, at 2000 calories that's 200 of sugar, that's more than a candy bar or soda.
If you are much more active those numbers change because the daily calories change.
If you are overweight those numbers change and your daily calories should change.
Kent
There is such a thing as sugar addiction. It can be seen anywhere you go. I quit smoking cigarettes over 10 years ago. I can never have another as long as I live, because if I smoke one I would be buying them by the carton inside of a month.
Sugar addiction for me was no where near as bad as cigarettes, however why tempt fate and eat a candy bar today, a bowl of ice cream tomorrow, an honey bun in the deer stand, etc. The amazing thing is I no longer miss sweets.
On another note about weight loss, high carb diets especially those with hydrogenated oils, enriched flour, wheat tend to be inflammatory. Diets comprising of mostly meat and certain vegetables are not. There is no way I can say how much of my weight loss was from removing the inflammation from my body but for a while I lost weight so fast it scared me.
Anyway carry on, eat smart, exercise, don’t trust big pharma, the American Heart Association, or the American Diabetes Association.
My Dad died at 42 (cancer), both his brothers had heart bypasses in their 50s, his sister and youngest brother both died around 62 years old from diabetes related illnesses.
I am 60, on no medicine, BP is great, numbers are good. I will fight the genetic component until the end through diet and exercise.
It's difficult to understand how profoundly highly processed highly absorbable sugars effect you unless you have broken that addiction for a long time. I had zero processed sugar for more than 2 years while I lost 170-180 lbs. I read every label and if sugar was an ingrediant I didn't eat it. It didn't matter if it was turnip greens in a can, if the bastards had added any amount of sugar, I didn't eat it.
After 2 years I ate a slice of homemade lemon pie at Christmas, and I felt like a kid who just smoked his first cigarette. It made me feel absolutely horrible for an hour or so. That kind of sugar intake is just like cocain when the brain is viewed under a scan. It lights up the exact same pleasure centers in the brain as cocaine when studied under laboratory conditions.
Getting completely off sugar is a lot harder than anyone wants to admit. I'm talking completely zero sugar as an ingredient for long term. I equate it to trying to get off cocaine except that everyone is on it to some degree and telling you it's not all that bad. It's so socially acceptable we regularly give it as treats to kids, and you can buy a good hit anywhere for a dollar.
Didn't work for 2 and a half weeks but around the house, I don't need to work but some of my customers don't have another option, I only work if necessary.
Having had a light june and july I haven't had to work very hard or in the heat this year, much.
Jr said he lost 5lbs 7 day fasting and normal work load... again... like it was a big deal.
Knowing I finally had a decent work load and in high heat, I decide to monitor my results, taking into account for water loss during the day.
2 1/2 weeks off... thur morning I was 173 after work I was 169.8 before bed after hydrating and eating I was 172.6 fri morning I was 171.3 after work I was 168.9 before bed I was 170 saturday worked a half day laid around sunday monday morning I was 167.6 after breakfast I was 168.6 This morning I was 167 after work I was 166.6, only worked 2 1/2 hours but later in the heat, that's when we could get concrete.
From thursday morning to this morning is 6 net lbs, water weight fluxuations during the day notwithstanding.
As I told Jr, 7 days full fasting and 5lbs don't impress me.
I have one more full hard day tomorrow, we'll see where I end up.
The LBMI calculators online aren't reliable, but waist size not pant size, real waist is always more and measured neck size I was at about 11% body fat on the navy one and 16% on another one, that was last week, less now.
I'd say realistically I'm around 18%.
I've monitored my weight all my life not just 5 years, seen all these diets come and go, they have a lot in common when it comes to weight loss.
Didn't work for 2 and a half weeks but around the house, I don't need to work but some of my customers don't have another option, I only work if necessary.
Having had a light june and july I haven't had to work very hard or in the heat this year, much.
Jr said he lost 5lbs 7 day fasting and normal work load... again... like it was a big deal.
Knowing I finally had a decent work load and in high heat, I decide to monitor my results, taking into account for water loss during the day.
2 1/2 weeks off... thur morning I was 173 after work I was 169.8 before bed after hydrating and eating I was 172.6 fri morning I was 171.3 after work I was 168.9 before bed I was 170 saturday worked a half day laid around sunday monday morning I was 167.6 after breakfast I was 168.6 This morning I was 167 after work I was 166.6, only worked 2 1/2 hours but later in the heat, that's when we could get concrete.
From thursday morning to this morning is 6 net lbs, water weight fluxuations during the day notwithstanding.
As I told Jr, 7 days full fasting and 5lbs don't impress me.
I have one more full hard day tomorrow, we'll see where I end up.
The LBMI calculators online aren't reliable, but waist size not pant size, real waist is always more and measured neck size I was at about 11% body fat on the navy one and 16% on another one, that was last week, less now.
I'd say realistically I'm around 18%.
I've monitored my weight all my life not just 5 years, seen all these diets come and go, they have a lot in common when it comes to weight loss.
Activity burning calories is a constant.
Kent
It is, but it's not as important as the intake side of the equation, and there's no good reason to handicap yourself by not tackling it from both intake and output. Sometimes output is limited for different reasons than just being lazy. If that's the case, don't just shake your head and not change the way you eat just because you can't change much about the way you exercise. Exercise is important but a proper diet is foremost. Without a proper diet you won't hold up over time. Your body won't be able to properly rebuild itself. You won't have the ability to get that exercise.
My main concern here is that many will ignore and excuse a poor diet because of their high activity level. Sure, you can get by with eating a bit of crap food, but you will never be as healthy on crap food as you will be on good food, regardless of your activity or performance level.
I have not moved much the last couple of days. My wife tested positive for Covid yesterday. She is healthy, works out almost every day. She is feeling much better this afternoon. I started feeling bad after I brought her to get tested so likely I have it also.
People that are healthy seem to breeze though it much better. My sister and brother-in-law tested positive today also.
Didn't work for 2 and a half weeks but around the house, I don't need to work but some of my customers don't have another option, I only work if necessary.
Having had a light june and july I haven't had to work very hard or in the heat this year, much.
Jr said he lost 5lbs 7 day fasting and normal work load... again... like it was a big deal.
Knowing I finally had a decent work load and in high heat, I decide to monitor my results, taking into account for water loss during the day.
2 1/2 weeks off... thur morning I was 173 after work I was 169.8 before bed after hydrating and eating I was 172.6 fri morning I was 171.3 after work I was 168.9 before bed I was 170 saturday worked a half day laid around sunday monday morning I was 167.6 after breakfast I was 168.6 This morning I was 167 after work I was 166.6, only worked 2 1/2 hours but later in the heat, that's when we could get concrete.
From thursday morning to this morning is 6 net lbs, water weight fluxuations during the day notwithstanding.
As I told Jr, 7 days full fasting and 5lbs don't impress me.
I have one more full hard day tomorrow, we'll see where I end up.
The LBMI calculators online aren't reliable, but waist size not pant size, real waist is always more and measured neck size I was at about 11% body fat on the navy one and 16% on another one, that was last week, less now.
I'd say realistically I'm around 18%.
I've monitored my weight all my life not just 5 years, seen all these diets come and go, they have a lot in common when it comes to weight loss.
Activity burning calories is a constant.
Kent
It is, but it's not as important as the intake side of the equation, and there's no good reason to handicap yourself by not tackling it from both intake and output. Sometimes output is limited for different reasons than just being lazy. If that's the case, don't just shake your head and not change the way you eat just because you can't change much about the way you exercise. Exercise is important but a proper diet is foremost. Without a proper diet you won't hold up over time. Your body won't be able to properly rebuild itself. You won't have the ability to get that exercise.
My main concern here is that many will ignore and excuse a poor diet because of their high activity level. Sure, you can get by with eating a bit of crap food, but you will never be as healthy on crap food as you will be on good food, regardless of your activity or performance level.
I have already qualified genetics and disabilities as hurtles to activity, I can't repeat all the qualifications everytime I write something. I absolutely have family and dear friends that can't for various reasons exercise, and careful not to fat shame anyone. Some of them can't lose weight eating a bit once a day.
But you guys arguing keto/fasting aren't that, and this is an activity based website, most here can get out and burn calories. Obviously you could before 5 years ago but didn't. Your initial trouble wasn't eating it was inactivity.
I've observed micromanaging in in almost all instances equals fanatical.
This you can't eat one 150 calorie candy bar or pop is ridiculous.
This argument is philosophical, like the sun... do you hide from it because of possible cancer and be vitamin D deficient, or try and use common sense.
I have not moved much the last couple of days. My wife tested positive for Covid yesterday. She is healthy, works out almost every day. She is feeling much better this afternoon. I started feeling bad after I brought her to get tested so likely I have it also.
People that are healthy seem to breeze though it much better. My sister and brother-in-law tested positive today also.
Cannot wait to get active again.
Get into ketosis, and then fast for ~ five days.
Autophagy - will kill it off to harvest the protein.
I have not moved much the last couple of days. My wife tested positive for Covid yesterday. She is healthy, works out almost every day. She is feeling much better this afternoon. I started feeling bad after I brought her to get tested so likely I have it also.
People that are healthy seem to breeze though it much better. My sister and brother-in-law tested positive today also.
Cannot wait to get active again.
Get into ketosis, and then fast for ~ five days.
Autophagy - will kill it off to harvest the protein.
GR
Getting the flu has always been an easy way to fast, you're not hungry anyway... glad you told us though.
I've observed micromanaging in in almost all instances equals fanatical.
This you can't eat one 150 calorie candy bar or pop is ridiculous.
This argument is philosophical, like the sun... do you hide from it because of possible cancer and be vitamin D deficient, or try and use common sense.
Kent
Except Ketosis.
In a round world essentially devoid of sugar, there was no need to manage anything.
The current "flat" earth provides sugar in abundance in Everything.
And the Human body can only handle ~ 20 g./day without dropping out of ketosis and shifting to fat storage and conservation, followed by withdrawals. (starvation)
So, one is either Human, or not, unless one is purposely storing fat.
Didn't work for 2 and a half weeks but around the house, I don't need to work but some of my customers don't have another option, I only work if necessary.
Having had a light june and july I haven't had to work very hard or in the heat this year, much.
Jr said he lost 5lbs 7 day fasting and normal work load... again... like it was a big deal.
Knowing I finally had a decent work load and in high heat, I decide to monitor my results, taking into account for water loss during the day.
2 1/2 weeks off... thur morning I was 173 after work I was 169.8 before bed after hydrating and eating I was 172.6 fri morning I was 171.3 after work I was 168.9 before bed I was 170 saturday worked a half day laid around sunday monday morning I was 167.6 after breakfast I was 168.6 This morning I was 167 after work I was 166.6, only worked 2 1/2 hours but later in the heat, that's when we could get concrete.
From thursday morning to this morning is 6 net lbs, water weight fluxuations during the day notwithstanding.
As I told Jr, 7 days full fasting and 5lbs don't impress me.
I have one more full hard day tomorrow, we'll see where I end up.
The LBMI calculators online aren't reliable, but waist size not pant size, real waist is always more and measured neck size I was at about 11% body fat on the navy one and 16% on another one, that was last week, less now.
I'd say realistically I'm around 18%.
I've monitored my weight all my life not just 5 years, seen all these diets come and go, they have a lot in common when it comes to weight loss.
Activity burning calories is a constant.
Kent
It is, but it's not as important as the intake side of the equation, and there's no good reason to handicap yourself by not tackling it from both intake and output. Sometimes output is limited for different reasons than just being lazy. If that's the case, don't just shake your head and not change the way you eat just because you can't change much about the way you exercise. Exercise is important but a proper diet is foremost. Without a proper diet you won't hold up over time. Your body won't be able to properly rebuild itself. You won't have the ability to get that exercise.
My main concern here is that many will ignore and excuse a poor diet because of their high activity level. Sure, you can get by with eating a bit of crap food, but you will never be as healthy on crap food as you will be on good food, regardless of your activity or performance level.
I have already qualified genetics and disabilities as hurtles to activity, I can't repeat all the qualifications everytime I write something. I absolutely have family and dear friends that can't for various reasons exercise, and careful not to fat shame anyone. Some of them can't lose weight eating a bit once a day.
But you guys arguing keto/fasting aren't that, and this is an activity based website, most here can get out and burn calories. Obviously you could before 5 years ago but didn't. Your initial trouble wasn't eating it was inactivity.
I've observed micromanaging in in almost all instances equals fanatical.
This you can't eat one 150 calorie candy bar or pop is ridiculous.
This argument is philosophical, like the sun... do you hide from it because of possible cancer and be vitamin D deficient, or try and use common sense.
Kent
I'm not arguing you can't have just one candy bar or pop. What I am arguing is that there's no such thing. How often do you have just one? Once a day, once a week, once a year. How many people have just one item of processed crap in a day that eat processed crap? I bet that number is a lot lower than those that eat processed crap a lot more than they realize while arguing it isn't too much because they feel healthy aren't fat and work so hard and need the energy.
Are you going to honestly tell me you don't consume sugar except once a day?
Depends on the day. This morning I had 3 bacon and 3 eggs, eating some chips and homemade salsa right now, probably make bean burros tonight, that reminds me I have to go get the beans on... maybe tostadas. If I want I'll have a bit of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate after dinner.
I guess you can figure my sugar intake for me.
Big sugar days are with the grandkids, syrup on french toast or maybe a donut, or jelly toast. Often we go to dairy queen for a small cone or blizzard.
Depends on the day. This morning I had 3 bacon and 3 eggs, eating some chips and homemade salsa right now, probably make bean burros tonight, that reminds me I have to go get the beans on... maybe tostadas. If I want I'll have a bit of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate after dinner.
I guess you can figure my sugar intake for me.
Big sugar days are with the grandkids, syrup on french toast or maybe a donut, or jelly toast. Often we go to dairy queen for a small cone or blizzard.
Kent
You just aren't concerned about your sugar intake. That's OK, it's pretty much impossible to get an adult to change their mind about anything. You feel that as long as you can do what you want and feel good it's all healthy. That won't change unless you become concerned enough to really examine how detrimental refined carbs and sugar can be over time. I hope it doesn't take a health event to change your mind. Best wishes to you. I do appreciate being able to discuss it though without the name calling that usually happens.
Depends on the day. This morning I had 3 bacon and 3 eggs, eating some chips and homemade salsa right now, probably make bean burros tonight, that reminds me I have to go get the beans on... maybe tostadas. If I want I'll have a bit of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate after dinner.
I guess you can figure my sugar intake for me.
Big sugar days are with the grandkids, syrup on french toast or maybe a donut, or jelly toast. Often we go to dairy queen for a small cone or blizzard.
Kent
You just aren't concerned about your sugar intake. That's OK, it's pretty much impossible to get an adult to change their mind about anything. You feel that as long as you can do what you want and feel good it's all healthy. That won't change unless you become concerned enough to really examine how detrimental refined carbs and sugar can be over time. I hope it doesn't take a health event to change your mind. Best wishes to you. I do appreciate being able to discuss it though without the name calling that usually happens.
I may get cancer, my mom died of bone cancer... otherwise I will live well into my 90s like all my family.
It's funny, when I broke my leg elk hunting at 52, it was the first time ever in a hospital, I weighed the most I ever had, about 145. Bad break, Surgeon said I'd never do concrete work again... LOL... Anyway I have a titanium rod from my knee to my ankle inside my bone. After the surgery and I was recovering in the room and woman doctor came in with my chart... she asked if I was 52... I said yes... she asked if I was a professional athlete... I said no, a construction worker and outdoors man... she said I saw your chart and had to come see for myself... and left.
I told my wife and she just rolled her eyes like, ya right.
When I was 64 on my birthday I was suffering from something bad in my right hip, pain was bad but I'm a construction worker. My daughter was there and forced me to go the emergency room in case it was a kidney stone, it wasn't, Dr thought it was bursitis, gave me a white pill and muscle relaxer prescription.
The deal though was when I first went in and the nurse took my vitals she immediately asked if I was a professional athlete, in front of my wife... I gave my wife a wink and she just rolled her eyes again.
Depends on the day. This morning I had 3 bacon and 3 eggs, eating some chips and homemade salsa right now, probably make bean burros tonight, that reminds me I have to go get the beans on... maybe tostadas. If I want I'll have a bit of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate after dinner.
I guess you can figure my sugar intake for me.
Big sugar days are with the grandkids, syrup on french toast or maybe a donut, or jelly toast. Often we go to dairy queen for a small cone or blizzard.
Kent
You just aren't concerned about your sugar intake. That's OK, it's pretty much impossible to get an adult to change their mind about anything. You feel that as long as you can do what you want and feel good it's all healthy. That won't change unless you become concerned enough to really examine how detrimental refined carbs and sugar can be over time. I hope it doesn't take a health event to change your mind. Best wishes to you. I do appreciate being able to discuss it though without the name calling that usually happens.
Correct, Kent's not concerned about it, because he knows he's going to burn it off !
I have mentioned this but will repeat, I do a day fast occasionally with my wife when she wants, so 36hrs about. It's easy, no hunger, usually on a sunday. I do believe it cleanses the system and resets some things, longest I've gone not having the flu is 48hrs.
I also eat twice a day often when not working or even working... but that's not fasting.
I make macro decisions on what to eat and when, adjust once or twice a month if needed or not depending.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I don't preach low carb because it doesn't work. I lost 70 plus lbs in several short months.
I've never felt better in my life.
I went from a miserable fat fughck to wearing my high school clothes.
Put 70 lbs in a backpack. Most here couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with that on their back.
I can't for the life of me understand why you are so angry about documented success.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions ...
Clark the Sugar demon exorcist didn't even know what 'macro-nutrient' meant, coz of his tunnel vision obsession with sugar.
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
What's odd is that Clark had to get to 380 lbs before he was hit with his sugar revelation. Why didn't Jesus step in well before that.? In the end it was science that helped him.
People with insulin resistance, also known as impaired insulin sensitivity, have built up a tolerance to insulin, making the hormone less effective. As a result, more insulin is needed to persuade fat and muscle cells to take up glucose and the liver to continue to store it.
Just why a person fails to respond properly to insulin is still a mystery. But there are ways to make the body more receptive to insulin, which can help prevent or delay type 2 diabetes—or help someone with type 1 diabetes manage their blood glucose (blood sugar).
In response to the body's insulin resistance, the pancreas deploys greater amounts of the hormone to keep cells energized and blood glucose levels under control. This is why people with type 2 diabetes tend to have elevated levels of circulating insulin. The ability of the pancreas to increase insulin production means that insulin resistance alone won't have any symptoms at first. Over time, though, insulin resistance tends to get worse, and the pancreatic beta cells that make insulin can wear out. Eventually, the pancreas no longer produces enough insulin to overcome the cells' resistance. The result is higher blood glucose levels, and ultimately prediabetes or type 2 diabetes.
Insulin has other roles in the body besides regulating blood glucose levels, and the effects of insulin resistance are thought to go beyond diabetes. For example, some research has shown that insulin resistance, independent of diabetes, is associated with heart disease.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through high sugar "every Three hour" baby food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I don't preach low carb because it doesn't work. I lost 70 plus lbs in several short months.
I've never felt better in my life.
I went from a miserable fat fughck to wearing my high school clothes.
Put 70 lbs in a backpack. Most here couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with that on their back.
I can't for the life of me understand why you are so angry about documented success.
I think it’s funny that you think I’m angry
If posting scientific studies and factual information that contradicts what you believe, you Perceive as “anger”, you may want to reevaluate your brain function
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Wrong.... the covid crowd say's it's covid... and they are wrong also... you all can fight it out.
Ate 2 slices of bread, homemade ham salad spread, then went and lifted
Deadlifted 325 for 8 and 350 for 4 after 3 warmup sets
Rest of the workout was excellent as well, T-Bar Rows, Goblet Squats with 110, Flat Dumbbell Bench with 70’s, dumbell curls with 40’s and 120# Tricep Pushdowns
Bean burro and homemade tortillas... wife is the tortilla queen but can roll them out a bit oddball shaped, I do the pan while she makes them, I eat the oddballs as that matches my personality, she gets the normal ones. All tastes great anyway.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I don't preach low carb because it doesn't work. I lost 70 plus lbs in several short months.
I've never felt better in my life.
I went from a miserable fat fughck to wearing my high school clothes.
Put 70 lbs in a backpack. Most here couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with that on their back.
I can't for the life of me understand why you are so angry about documented success.
MIND BOGLING isn't it?
We as well as others all know it works fantastically well!
The refusal to believe us is remarkable, and the hardcore resentment for speaking our truth, is ignorant and boring.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I don't preach low carb because it doesn't work. I lost 70 plus lbs in several short months.
I've never felt better in my life.
I went from a miserable fat fughck to wearing my high school clothes.
Put 70 lbs in a backpack. Most here couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with that on their back.
I can't for the life of me understand why you are so angry about documented success.
MIND BOGLING isn't it?
We as well as others all know it works fantastically well!
The refusal to believe us is remarkable, and the hardcore resentment for speaking our truth, is ignorant and boring.
You exited stage left some time ago but just couldn’t help it, huh?
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan
Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions
There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars”
Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense
“Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories
Both have 4kcal per gram
The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals
This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future
If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
I don't preach low carb because it doesn't work. I lost 70 plus lbs in several short months.
I've never felt better in my life.
I went from a miserable fat fughck to wearing my high school clothes.
Put 70 lbs in a backpack. Most here couldn't walk up a flight of stairs with that on their back.
I can't for the life of me understand why you are so angry about documented success.
MIND BOGLING isn't it?
We as well as others all know it works fantastically well!
The refusal to believe us is remarkable, and the hardcore resentment for speaking our truth, is ignorant and boring.
You exited stage left some time ago but just couldn’t help it, huh?
Moron
So you are the person who determines who can post here and when on 24 hour Campfire?
You are one of the most ignorant people on this site, you are not that bright either.
. If I want I'll have a bit of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate after dinner. .
Clinical studies show that dark chocolate is beneficial for endothelial function and saturated Fats like butter detrimental to Endothelial function.
It's well established that poor endothelial function is a primary underlying cause of cardiac diseases.
(EF can be measured through Fluorescence-Based Nanoparticle Tracking Analysis -and Flow Cytometry Immunophenotyping.)
What is insulin resistance?(and the high sugar "every Three hour" baby food diet).....
People with insulin resistance, also known as impaired insulin sensitivity, have built up a tolerance to insulin, ... .....
What does IR and baby food have to do with dark chocolate beneficial effects on Endothelial function?
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Just why a person fails to respond properly to insulin is still a mystery. ...
My understanding is that science has discovered that there is inhibition of cell surface receptor binding of insulin ( insulin being a peptide) resulting in TP-GLUT-4 being unable to transport glucose into the cell. Additionally, inhibition of signalling both outside and inside of target cells can restrict insulin from regulating/limiting HSL activity in the process of fatty acid metabolism with vicious cycle negative results.
I was gone for 10 days and during that time I was pretty busy and didn’t stop to eat, I really wasn’t hungry I was just focused. After 2 days of no eating I had a good meal and got on a fairly normal to me rhythm of eating every other day but I would snack on beef jerky in the evening. I weighed 198 the morning I left and I weighed 188 upon returning. I didn’t know that I had 10 easy pounds to drop but I feel great…..my ability to drop the weight kinda pisses my wife off. 😂 My bell is going to need me to punch another hole or two in it.
The glassy-eyed zealots think carbohydrates are sugar and all sugars are Satan Macronutrients, including carbohydrates, are converted to glucose to fuel the body and its functions There’s a difference between sugars naturally found in complex carbohydrates and “added sugars” Complex carbohydrates are nutrient dense “Added sugars” are simple carbohydrates and nutrient void; empty calories Both have 4kcal per gram The fat fugg’s got fat because the bulk of their carbohydrate intake was from simple sources combined with a high-fat diet. Most processed, simple carbohydrate sources are also high in fat and therefore high in kcals This diet, Coupled with inactivity, and 380 is in their future If your dietary sources of carbohydrate originate from complex sources like rice (bran intact), potatoes, corn, whole grains, fruit and vegetables, you’re much less likely to be obese than someone whose dietary sources of carbohydrates are twinkies, Little Debbie Chocolate Rolls, and glazed-cream-filled doughnuts
There are people eating complex carbs [low glycemic index foods] that are not overweight and do not have insulin resistance, alzheimer's, high blood pressure, heart disease, ect. But that is not your average American. The average American needs to cut out almost all carbs to reverse the damage from simple carbs. Loose the weight and become insulin sensitive again. Get used to never eating sweets.
In engineering we have a hysteretic loop. How you get out, is not how you got in. It takes a big event to get out. Owl to Winnie the poo : "You, sir, are stuck"
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
A research team led by Dr. Kevin Hall of NIH’s National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) conducted a study under carefully controlled conditions to determine the way the body responds to fat vs. carbohydrate restriction. They designed the study using a mathematical model the team had previously developed. The findings appeared online on August 13, 2015, in Cell Metabolism.
The team enrolled 10 men and 9 women with obesity. Participants averaged 35 years of age, did not have diabetes, and had an average body mass index (BMI) of 36 (30 or greater is considered obese).
The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each. Having participants reside in a metabolic ward 24 hours/day allowed the researchers to carefully control the volunteers’ diet and meticulously monitor their energy expenditure.
For the first 5 days of each stay, the volunteers were given a balanced diet (50% carbohydrate, 35% fat, and 15% protein) of about 2,740 calories/day, which matched energy expenditure. Over the next 6 days, they received a diet with 30% fewer calories. The amount of protein remained the same. On one visit, the calorie decrease came solely by cutting carbohydrates. On the other visit, the calories were cut only from dietary fat. The diets were given in random order with 2-4 weeks between visits.
While in the metabolic ward, the participants walked on a treadmill for 60 minutes each day. Part of the time, they resided in a metabolic chamber to measure their energy expenditure and the relative balance of fat and carbohydrate they used to produce energy.
The scientists found that when participants ate the reduced-carb diet, they lowered production of the hormone insulin. This diet caused a shift in metabolism; participants increased fat oxidation (“burning”) and decreased carbohydrate oxidation. While on the reduced carb diet, they lost about 53 grams of body fat per day.
When participants consumed the reduced-fat diet, they had no observed changes in insulin production or fat burning. However, they lost about 89 grams per day of body fat—68% more than when they cut the same number of calories from carbohydrates.
References: Calorie for Calorie, Dietary Fat Restriction Results in More Body Fat Loss than Carbohydrate Restriction in People with Obesity. Hall KD, Bemis T, Brychta R, Chen KY, Courville A, Crayner EJ, Goodwin S, Guo J, Howard L, Knuth ND, Miller BV 3rd, Prado CM, Siervo M, Skarulis MC, Walter M, Walter PJ, Yannai L. Cell Metab. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S1550-4131(15)00350-2. doi: 10.1016/j.cmet.2015.07.021. [Epub ahead of print]. PMID: 26278052.
I think Clark is closer to right than not. He is saying the average American in this context of reversing damage to their health. The study you continue to reference is a very controlled format. "The participants stayed in the metabolic clinical research unit on the NIH campus for 2 visits of about 2 weeks each."
This is not the situation for the average American and it can be easier to cut carbs/simple sugars than sticking to a very controlled diet like the study. YMMV
If you’re cutting any macronutrient, you’re sticking to a controlled diet.
The study properly identifies the macronutrient that should be cut
👍🏼
I don't disagree with that. My comments are centered around what people are likely to do in an uncontrolled format. Your study is highly controlled and should not be ignored from that standpoint. The average American (or any nationality) doesn't have their diet and activity controlled by others in a strict format such as the study you reference.
You have the discipline to eat within your activity level and go to the gym on a regular basis. I wouldn't describe you as what I see to be the average American.
The study identifies the macronutrient to restrict for the most fat loss, calorie for calorie
Any rational, intelligent person can read it and conclude the same
What part of me repeating "the study you reference" implies that it is your study. Any rational, intelligent person can read that in context and they can understand what it took to come to those conclusions. A highly controlled format is not within the confines of the average person.
There have been many ways to approach an improvement to the health of the people posting here. You continually dismiss the positive results of anyone that took a different path than you. That is on you and your arrogance cannot accept that you do not have all the answers.
If you’re cutting any macronutrient, you’re sticking to a controlled diet.
The study properly identifies the macronutrient that should be cut
👍🏼
I don't think so, Tim :-) It looks like the carbohydrate restricted diet still consisted of around 140 grams of carbohydrate per day. This is far above the 20-30 grams daily on a keto diet. Therefore this does not appear to be a direct comparison. Also, it only followed the participants for 9 days each time, so the longer term efficacy remains unknown. IMO, Longbob makes a very legit point. There is certainly more than one effective way to combat obesity. Low fat, low carb, Mediterranean, South Beach, Weight Watchers; They all work. The main challenge is long term compliance from the individual. As with a lot of things, we are often our own worst enemy. As for which one best promotes longevity, that also is unsettled science.
Alzheimer's - is now being referred to as "Type 3 Diabetes" - caused by a type of insulin resistance and insulin-like growth factor dysfunction (Type 2 Diabetes), that occurs specifically in the brain.
And if you live on a round earth - you know what causes that.
Alzheimer's - is now being referred to as "Type 3 Diabetes" - caused by a type of insulin resistance and insulin-like growth factor dysfunction (Type 2 Diabetes), that occurs specifically in the brain.
And if you live on a round earth - you know what causes that.
Alzheimer's - is now being referred to as "Type 3 Diabetes" - caused by a type of insulin resistance and insulin-like growth factor dysfunction (Type 2 Diabetes), that occurs specifically in the brain.
And if you live on a round earth - you know what causes that.
GR
Sniffing too much Poousy?
High-starch and sugar "every Three hour" baby food diet.
And why call it an "every Three hour" baby food diet?
Remember when dumb people followed this nonsense? I remember heckling a nutritionist who told me this was a good idea. She was serious. I couldn't stop laughing.
Believing anything our governments tell us can be/is a deadly, their new pyramid is even worse and sponsored by the Food and Pharmaceutical industries, which government officials have shares in.
When Chris Christie was interviewed by Men’s Health Magazine last week
Reporter: “So you have any chance against Trump?”
Christie: “I will beat Trump like a Turkey Drumstick!”
Reporter: OK, it will be interesting to see you go from 1% to win the Republican Nomination, so let’s talk about the elephant in the room, will your enormous weight and 70% BMI slow you down from keeping a busy schedule?”
Christie: “Hell no, I have been a fat slob all of my life never slowed me down, you should see me dance”
Reporter: “So, do you plan on losing any weight whatsoever, so voters can look at you as a great example of how to live your life in a healthy manner”
Christie: “LOL the fasting lifestyle and calorie restricting is for fools and freaks, all you have to do is to go to your local Hospital and have Stomach Reduction Surgery, takes no discipline at all, and look at me, I went from 600 lbs. to 400 lbs in 4 months, now isn’t that a great example if you ever saw one?”
Reporter: ”Well if you say so! The last question, do you have any problems sitting in Restaurant Chairs, designed for normal sized People?”
Christie: “No way, whenever I run into that issue, I ask the restaurant to get me a bigger chair.
Just the other day when I was on the campaign trail in New Mexico at a restaurant called Paisano's Italian Restaurant, in Albuquerque, the chairs were pretty small, so I asked the waitress if I could get a larger chair, she was awestruck by my presence and said sure. The owner and a really nice guy called Rick came out with a special chair he said was his office chair and told me we welcome all fatties here. I recommend Paisano’s highly, the food was excellent I had half of a BBQed pig, 20 lbs. of pasta, and 5 deserts, every bite was excellent!”
Hope you guys had a laugh, just trying to lighten the thread up a little hehehe
Far from deprived my friend, I am having a Moose Cheese Burger on my Homemade Brioche Buns tonight, 24 hours after my Pasta with my homemade Marinara Sauce I made with Tomatoes and Basil from my garden.
Anyhow, I thought you would get a laugh out of my last post, I did include you, in a positive way, lol. I think you are an exceptional chef!
Far from deprived my friend, I am having a Moose Cheese Burger on my Homemade Brioche Buns tonight, 24 hours after my Pasta with my homemade Marinara Sauce I made with Tomatoes and Basil from my garden.
Anyhow, I thought you would get a laugh out of my last post, I did include you, in a positive way, lol. I think you are an exceptional chef!
Far from deprived my friend, I am having a Moose Cheese Burger on my Homemade Brioche Buns tonight, 24 hours after my Pasta with my homemade Marinara Sauce I made with Tomatoes and Basil from my garden.
Anyhow, I thought you would get a laugh out of my last post, I did include you, in a positive way, lol. I think you are an exceptional chef!
What happened to full on keto so your abs show?
You gave up?
You are confused, I never said I was on a full Keto eating plan and never have been. I eat whatever I want, when I want to drop weight, I go from 24-hour fasting to 72 and 96-hour fasts between meals and increase the amount of my homemade, sugar-free Electrolytes I drink.
GR, it's a long weekend in Canada this weekend, so I will be drinking and feasting.
Starting Tuesday I am going for that ripped/abs look you and Salmonella have going on, I will have to get to 30 on the Ketone Meter so lots of 96-hour fasts coming up!
I will be using your <20g net carbs when I eat, it will be interesting how long it takes me to get there, thanks for that <20g net carbs nugget!
When I first started the Intermittent lifestyle I heard of the Snake Diet from a friend of mine that dropped 50 lbs., so I got on the program.
Everyone looks better and healthier when they are slim and the fat is gone. Ever notice that you do not see any very old people that are obese? It's because they are dead.
Here are a few pictures of people's before and after pictures, I can post many more but you get the point.
I would not even consider dating the chick wearing the Glasses, I would marry her in her red dress lol
Hi my name is Sara, and I started the snake diet almost a year ago (4/15/18) after findind Cole on YouTube.The first fast I did was 21 days on snake juice followed by 2 days of refeed and then another 15 days of fasting. I continued with fasts that would last an average of 7-15 days for about 5-6 months. When the fat supply got low, fasting became harder, so I switched to 48’s and 72’s. I also did many dry fasts, the longest being 4 days. Aside from losing weight, I no longer have high blood pressure, painful periods, or tonsil stones. I’m able to finally start LIVING thanks to Cole!
My name is Galit. I was hospitalized on March 5th 2019 with a blood sugar levels of 33, weighing in at 265 lbs, and a whole bunch of other problems. When I was released I began a super low carb diet. A week later I combined it with a 16/8 fast. I did that for about a month. Then I moved on to OMAD (one meal a day) still low carb for that one meal and I did that for one month. I came across Cole’s YouTube channel in the beginning of May 2019 and began doing the Snake diet. I tried doing 3 day fasts all of the month that followed, and the last month I did four 7- day fasts (meaning I ate 4 meals in 1 month, and I only had an electrolyte drink (snake juice). I didn’t eat or drink anything else for those 7 days). I lost a total of 100 lbs during these past 4.5 months. My A1C as of July 9th is 4.1. My current weight is 165 lbs, I’m now wearing a size 10 (went down from a size 24). No working out what so ever. When I refeed I eat one nutrient dense meal (fish, green leafy veggies, oils, butters, nuts, eggs) and continue to the next extended fast. I can’t thank Cole enough. He has changed my life, I don’t feel like I’m a prisoner in my own body anymore. I finally have control over cravings and am no longer in a destructive relationship with food.
Dude looks good, worked hard and paid off, who knows how that number came about or who put it on the picture, in today's world could have been anyone. People eat hyperbole up though.
Dude looks good, worked hard and paid off, who knows how that number came about or who put it on the picture, in today's world could have been anyone. People eat hyperbole up though.
Kent
And it's not hard work.
It's just becoming Human, on a human diet.
Along with a little exercise, the body takes care of itself.
Dude looks good, worked hard and paid off, who knows how that number came about or who put it on the picture, in today's world could have been anyone. People eat hyperbole up though.
Kent
And it's not hard work.
It's just becoming Human, on a human diet.
Along with a little exercise, the body takes care of itself.
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
Mine came from the NIH.
Then further corrected, for gender, based on studies conducted on college athletes.
Close enough to structure programs and track progress.
Pointy-head researchers with their DEXA Scans may get a different number - but, like an atomic clock, is all but useless for the process of simply becoming Human.
In a round world essentially devoid of sugar, there was no need to manage anything.
The current "flat" earth provides sugar in abundance in Everything.
And the Human body can only handle ~ 20 g./day without dropping out of ketosis and shifting to fat storage and conservation, followed by withdrawals. (starvation)
So, one is either Human, or not, unless one is purposely storing fat.
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
Just some that calculate on waist and neck, actual measure not clothing size. As close as you'll get with an online, they each vary. But a common theme is waist. I have asked JR about 5 times for his calculator from NIH he claimed... he deflected.
That dude would have to have a 28 measured waist, 32 hips, 8 wrist, 12 forearms to be 10.3... most calculators for body fat%, not BMI come to that conclusion at the best. some show more BF.
That's a 27in pant size... he might get in 31s.
In my 40s at 5' 9" and 145, my build was the same, I hated the extended ribcage look, top end was good, I had no ass at all... I wore 31s or 32s, means my measured waist was 35 or 36.
And the Human body can only handle ~ 20 g./day without dropping out of ketosis and shifting to fat storage and conservation, followed by withdrawals. (starvation)
Absolute nonsense
Only calories exceeding requirements are stored as fat
The excess calories can come from any source; fat, protein, carbohydrate or alcohol
It is a PROVEN FACT that dietary fat is more likely to be stored as fat than any other macronutrient
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
Just some that calculate on waist and neck, actual measure not clothing size. As close as you'll get with an online, they each vary. But a common theme is waist. I have asked JR about 5 times for his calculator from NIH he claimed... he deflected.
That dude would have to have a 28 measured waist, 32 hips, 8 wrist, 12 forearms to be 10.3... most calculators for body fat%, not BMI come to that conclusion at the best. some show more BF.
That's a 27in pant size... he might get in 31s.
In my 40s at 5' 9" and 145, my build was the same, I hated the extended ribcage look, top end was good, I had no ass at all... I wore 31s or 32s, means my measured waist was 35 or 36.
Being generous that guy may be 15%,
Kent
Regardless you must admit he looks like a slob in his before and great in his after, you are splitting hairs.
People are happier SLIM, and have low self-esteem when they are morbidly obese, as a rule of thumb.
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
Just some that calculate on waist and neck, actual measure not clothing size. As close as you'll get with an online, they each vary. But a common theme is waist. I have asked JR about 5 times for his calculator from NIH he claimed... he deflected.
That dude would have to have a 28 measured waist, 32 hips, 8 wrist, 12 forearms to be 10.3... most calculators for body fat%, not BMI come to that conclusion at the best. some show more BF.
That's a 27in pant size... he might get in 31s.
In my 40s at 5' 9" and 145, my build was the same, I hated the extended ribcage look, top end was good, I had no ass at all... I wore 31s or 32s, means my measured waist was 35 or 36.
Being generous that guy may be 15%,
Kent
Regardless you must admit he looks like a slob in his before and great in his after, you are splitting hairs.
People are happier SLIM, and have low self-esteem when they are morbidly obese, as a rule of thumb.
There can't be an honest discussion when someone is talking bullchit, remove the bullchit if you want to have a conversation.
And the Human body can only handle ~ 20 g./day without dropping out of ketosis and shifting to fat storage and conservation, followed by withdrawals. (starvation)
Absolute nonsense
Only calories exceeding requirements are stored as fat
The excess calories can come from any source; fat, protein, carbohydrate or alcohol
It is a PROVEN FACT that dietary fat is more likely to be stored as fat than any other macronutrient
BMI he's almost 23, on the high end of normal, overweight is 25.
He's not 9.3% BF
Kent
There are other factors in the calculation.
If it was the same on both, it is what it is.
54 lbs in Six months, with unknown exercise.
Definitely not the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
He can't be a 23 BMI and a 9.3 LBMI, unless he was totally shredded.
Kent
Have you found a calculation for LBMI? I cannot. I get BMI and Lean Body Mass, but cannot find LBMI despite some searching. Another poster was asked about this and declined to provide. Is this a real number or just some made up thing?
Just some that calculate on waist and neck, actual measure not clothing size. As close as you'll get with an online, they each vary. But a common theme is waist. I have asked JR about 5 times for his calculator from NIH he claimed... he deflected.
That dude would have to have a 28 measured waist, 32 hips, 8 wrist, 12 forearms to be 10.3... most calculators for body fat%, not BMI come to that conclusion at the best. some show more BF.
That's a 27in pant size... he might get in 31s.
In my 40s at 5' 9" and 145, my build was the same, I hated the extended ribcage look, top end was good, I had no ass at all... I wore 31s or 32s, means my measured waist was 35 or 36.
Being generous that guy may be 15%,
Kent
Regardless you must admit he looks like a slob in his before and great in his after, you are splitting hairs.
People are happier SLIM, and have low self-esteem when they are morbidly obese, as a rule of thumb.
There can't be an honest discussion when someone is talking bullchit, remove the bullchit if you want to have a conversation.
Kent
Bulchit, what are you talking about?
Are you saying Intermittent Fasting does not work in losing the BLUBBER and keeping it off, that is all I have been saying here.
I knew from the onset that this thread would be a Chit Show, I decided to get involved in the hope that I could share my story and truth and help 1 person that was struggling with their weight. I hope that has been accomplished and a few people watching in the background will try it and reap the rewards.
The Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle is safe, effective, and a great way to live your life and eat if like me you have a slow metabolism. PERIOD!
Are you saying Intermittent Fasting does not work in losing the BLUBBER and keeping it off, that is all I have been saying here.
I knew from the onset that this thread would be a Chit Show, I decided to get involved in the hope that I could share my story and truth and help 1 person that was struggling with their weight. I hope that has been accomplished and a few people watching in the background will try it and reap the rewards.
The Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle is safe, effective, and a great way to live your life and eat if like me you have a slow metabolism. PERIOD!
Anyways this time I am out for good, have fun.
Well bye again...
Last evening you left in a huff over the 10% body fat fantasy you were having, this morning you post about a 9.3 you found on the internet... no one is stupid about where you were going with that. Or you defecting with the last tirade.
No wonder you get sideways with the respected members here.
Strange, if you watched the original video the doctor and I are close, some terminology issues notwithstanding, even then he said time restricted mostly.
What has been interesting is the difference and stubbornness about my way is the only way. Earlier I wrote no matter what our opinion is we can find a study to back it up.
The level of obesity today is costing us all in health insurance rates and general medical cost. Over 300 billion dollars is spent on Type two diabetes treatments and the health related problems it causes annually in the US alone.
The sad thing is the this can be fixed with diet and exercise, but there is no money in that for big pharma and hospitals.
I know what works best for me in terms of weight loss, strength, stamina, and enjoying the lifestyle so it can be maintained. I believe it is the best approach for me.
Get off the couch, exercise, even if it is just walking, eat better, quit eating the processed crap. Those things are a given.
Find what works best for you. Carnivore, Mediterranean, keto, eat less, move more, whatever, just stick to a plan, change it if needed, but continue some proactive health plan until you die. Your older body will thank you for it.
It started as fasting, took many turns, but it at least stayed revolving around weight loss.
This thread has been interesting, but like all good things it is coming to an end, at least for me.
Good luck to all. One shot at Rick, be a little more open minded, buddy. I have come to realize that I am not always right about everything.
What has been interesting is the difference and stubbornness about my way is the only way. Earlier I wrote no matter what our opinion is we can find a study to back it up.
The level of obesity today is costing us all in health insurance rates and general medical cost. Over 300 billion dollars is spent on Type two diabetes treatments and the health related problems it causes annually in the US alone.
The sad thing is the this can be fixed with diet and exercise, but there is no money in that for big pharma and hospitals.
I know what works best for me in terms of weight loss, strength, stamina, and enjoying the lifestyle so it can be maintained. I believe it is the best approach for me.
Get off the couch, exercise, even if it is just walking, eat better, quit eating the processed crap. Those things are a given.
Find what works best for you. Carnivore, Mediterranean, keto, eat less, move more, whatever, just stick to a plan, change it if needed, but continue some proactive health plan until you die. Your older body will thank you for it.
It started as fasting, took many turns, but it at least stayed revolving around weight loss.
This thread has been interesting, but like all good things it is coming to an end, at least for me.
Good luck to all. One shot at Rick, be a little more open minded, buddy. I have come to realize that I am not always right about everything.
The only thing I would like to add is concerning the eat less exercise more approach. I think that is very reasonable for anyone needing to lose a small amount of weight. I think that the more weight you need to lose, or the less you are able to exercise more, the more radical the diet needs to become.
IMHO low carb whole food and ketosis is a better tool for anyone needing to shed more than 30- 50 lbs., just depending on the individual. It was the path that allowed me the longest sustainable and reasonable diet.
You bring Nothing except an impenetrable ignorance.
Like sayin' it was penguins that sunk the Titanic.
Ha!
Take a Sixty-day challenge - and then you will actually know something important.
GR
Kent has bought way, way more logic, to this thread, than most others.
Including you, puppet !
The Human Diet - is not about logic, simpleton.
A happy medium, a balanced diet, what everybody else eats, etc., does not encompass it.
It is how humans survived and thrived for Eight million years... and counting.
In ketosis, with < 20 gr. Net Carbs/day.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through high Carbohydrate and Sugar food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
And the Human body can only handle ~ 20 g./day without dropping out of ketosis and shifting to fat storage and conservation, followed by withdrawals. (starvation)
Absolute nonsense
Only calories exceeding requirements are stored as fat
The excess calories can come from any source; fat, protein, carbohydrate or alcohol
It is a PROVEN FACT that dietary fat is more likely to be stored as fat than any other macronutrient
So ya know, you [bleep] moron
Why is it that nobody is backing you up?
Even d!ckheads on the 'fire have followers but oddly you don't, other than those agreeing you are a d!ckhead
You homosexuals certainly spend an inordinate amount of time thinkin'bout your escapades.
Is that why you are the Circle-Jerk King?
By yourself, though, it's just considered self-abuse, right?
Bet you're hungry, too.
Ha!
GR
Remember when you used to also post as ElkSlayer91? And how you rambled on-and-on about all you'd done but could never post proof of anything? Or about how you got axed for being a repetitive, douche bag and dullard – remember that?
You homosexuals certainly spend an inordinate amount of time thinkin'bout your escapades.
Is that why you are the Circle-Jerk King?
By yourself, though, it's just considered self-abuse, right?
Bet you're hungry, too.
Ha!
GR
Remember when you used to also post as ElkSlayer91? And how you rambled on-and-on about all you'd done but could never post proof of anything? Or about how you got axed for being a repetitive, douche bag and dullard – remember that?
We do.
You little girls are so afraid of the Truth... that you have to create imaginary "bogeymen."
Ha!
- Marksmanship - is a Skill - Keto+Fasting - is The Human Diet
You little girls are so afraid of the Truth... that you have to create imaginary "bogeymen."
Nah, the men here just don't like your constant yammering bullshìt.
If you were men, I wouldn't be the voices in your head.
Ha!
And, if it's "bullshit?"
Prove it.
This thread is packed with not only all y'all's incessant adolescent tantrums, but also testimonials/photos/meaningful research/lab results/etc./ of people that have improved their health and their lives by Keto+Fasting.
You whiny infants and the "every Three hour" baby food diet you swear by, should probably start a thread about all the illness/injury/medications/obesity/sloth/mental decline/etc./ you happy group of intellectual reprobates have archived.
I pretty much eat what I want to eat , before returning back to work I h inmped the mountains every day and usually an hour and half of hi rep light wieghts that worked different body groups .
Now I’m back to three days a week of humping mountains and light wieght work outs . Me and dogs look forward to it every weekend . When shooting I walk to target every group and mark load and target . When I return to bench , I set down , get my breathing and heart rate in check and shoot , This helps me in the field to calm myself if a gotta have it shot arises . You figure 20 or more walks to target , 100 down , 100 back , adds up . Usually cover 4-5 miles a day doing the mountain and target thing . Really enjoy it when I’m in the ROW’s and traversing steep ground 200-300 down and 200-300 back . At 68 , I ain’t what I used to be , but doing better than a lot of 68 yr olds Still give the young bucks s run for their money at a days work Still getting sprung and like it just as much as ever 6ft , 225 lbs , feel pretty good about myself . Will have some catch up work to do when I’m back in full swing . This lying around the house [bleep] has about made me bat [bleep] crazy , hot damned I been grouchy . Go back Friday to get the sutures out and hopefully everything is healing good . Hunting season right around the corner, don’t have time for this B.S. Kenneth
Keto+Fasting - is the Eight million year old healthy human way of eating.
GR
Homo Sapiens has only been around for around 300,000 years.
Humans diverged from the sugar based apes ~ Ten million years ago.
8-10 Million years as Hominins.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed sugar/grain/tuber/seed oil.
So what is the Human diet?
GR
I'm white, I didn't come from no ape.
The world's also round.
You should get used to both those truths.
Apes - live in a high sugar environment, and make all their own essential amino acids.
Non-ape humans - have been evolving and thriving on Keto+Fasting, in an environment almost devoid of sugar, so much so that the Liver now makes all the sugar we need, basically to fuel our lower ape brains.
Other than that, Humans have evolved to run on fat, either dietary or stored.
Keto+Fasting - is the Eight million year old healthy human way of eating.
Why didn't Jesus add Keto to his commandments if it's so good?.. ie; Carbs were a predominant staple food source for the masses in Antiquity...Jesus even multiplied the bread loaves far more than anything else on hand.. No hint of him feeding the 5000 crowd with high fat keto calories.
Keto+Fasting - is the Eight million year old healthy human way of eating.
Why didn't Jesus add Keto to his commandments if it's so good?.. ie; Carbs were a predominant staple food source for the masses in Antiquity...Jesus even multiplied the bread loaves far more than anything else on hand.. No hint of him feeding the 5000 crowd with high fat keto calories.
The Apes - live in an environment loaded with sugar, and make all their own essential amino acids.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, evolved in environments almost devoid of sugar, and no longer make all their essential amino acids, because of meat and fat consumption.
8-10 Million years as Hominins.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through a High-Starch and Sugar baby food diet.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Some are outside the human bell curve - either nothing affects them, or everything does.
... like a cockroach.
Doesn't chance the fact that the ancestral human diet consists of Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
Otherwise 60% of Americans wouldn't be Obese - and rocket-sledding toward life-threatening Metabolic Disease.
... from the "every Three hour" baby food diet.
GR
So you would mandate what food we can or can't eat? Bugs maybe?
You can literally, "eat shlt and die" any ole time you want to.
This thread is for the Ignorant - not the Stupid.
My only suggestion would be for the Insurance Companies to recognize the correlation between the "every Three hour" baby food diet and the Expensive Medical costs of its associate Metabolic Disease... and price their policies accordingly.
Baby food Fat-asses already pay more for clothing and transportation.
I was jabbing Decca and pounding weights 5 days a week back in the 80's. I had muscle but I never got shredded because I didn't understand nutrition. Like you don't.
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
🤡
You're so scared of facts and the truth... that you have to create "Bogeymen?"
Ha!
Tell ya what, Rick.
Next time you're in the gym?
Take a 35 lb. Olympic plate weight, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine (you know what that word means?) between the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The 2nd run difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
🤡
You're so scared of facts and the truth... that you have to create "Bogeymen?"
Ha!
Tell ya what, Rick.
Next time you're in the gym?
Take a 35 lb. Olympic plate weight, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine (you know what that word means?) through the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
🤡
You're so scared of facts and the truth... that you have to create "Bogeymen?"
Ha!
Tell ya what, Rick.
Next time you're in the gym?
Take a 35 lb. Olympic plate weight, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine (you know what that word means?) through the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
🤡
You're so scared of facts and the truth... that you have to create "Bogeymen?"
Ha!
Tell ya what, Rick.
Next time you're in the gym?
Take a 35 lb. Olympic plate weight, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine (you know what that word means?) through the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
All-day useful human.
GR
JFC
He’s a fraud!
😆
Actually, you're a coward, Rick.
Facts and the truth scare you.
And then there's the high-starch and Sugar Comfort food.
Since your Happy Camper handle got zapped and you’ve run this “garandimal” handle into the ground, what’s next on the agenda to pretend you’re normal for a while?
🤡
You're so scared of facts and the truth... that you have to create "Bogeymen?"
Ha!
Tell ya what, Rick.
Next time you're in the gym?
Take a 35 lb. Olympic plate weight, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine (you know what that word means?) through the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
All-day useful human.
GR
JFC
Keto+Fasting+Exercise is over Eight million years old.
Was a guy several years ago on another site that was very helpful with the Keto+Fasting resources, which were not very well known or popular at the time.
One of the biggest opponents of his incessant information stream - just went in for an open heart quadruple bypass, and a pace-maker.
Another one responded that it was OK, because his dad had had his First quad bypass at 49.
It’s great not being a whacko Carbotard and being able to eat anything I want, whenever I want to.
Good, healthy choices coupled with a normal exercise routine.
7 days of Chocolate Cake after every dinner experiment yielded 2 pounds of weight gain and incredible strength gains.
Getting stronger is never the wrong answer
Abs as of 5 minutes ago at 220; the most I’ve ever weighed…
Don’t rub your dick too raw you Fuqking pillow-biters
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sack of mashed potatoes, Rick.
You've got 30 lbs. of fat there.
... and you're just gettin' fatter.
Nature's way... for those on a baby food diet.
Metabolic Disease as well.
Next time you're in the gym, take a 35 lb. Olympic weight plate, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine between the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The 2nd run difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
It’s great not being a whacko Carbotard and being able to eat anything I want, whenever I want to.
Good, healthy choices coupled with a normal exercise routine.
7 days of Chocolate Cake after every dinner experiment yielded 2 pounds of weight gain and incredible strength gains.
Getting stronger is never the wrong answer
Abs as of 5 minutes ago at 220; the most I’ve ever weighed…
Don’t rub your dick too raw you Fuqking pillow-biters
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sack of mashed potatoes, Rick.
You've got 30 lbs. of fat there.
... and you're just gettin' fatter.
Nature's way... for those on a baby food diet.
Metabolic Disease as well.
Next time you're in the gym, take a 35 lb. Olympic weight plate, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine between the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The 2nd run difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
So maybe, you could correct me, if I'm not wrong again;
Which is it ?
Originally Posted by Garandimal
That's the way the phone camera provides them.
I only take pictures of things that interest me - so I date stamp them.
GR
Both, simpleton.
The phone camera does it, because every picture is interesting, so I set it up that way, so that the phone camera would do it... for me, every picture, so I won't have to.
So, theoretically, if you took 199 pictures today, they'd all be filed/saved as 20230817.jpeg !
Seems, retarded, to me !
Oh, & the cropped one, automatically became 20230817crop.jpeg, too ?
Right !
ArseClown.
No, ya dumbass.
The phone camera would start them all with the 8-digit Date-Stamp, followed by whatever the phone camera catalog numbers are, followed by my editing notes, if any.
I even gave you an example, bug-wit.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
You are a useless, clueless, pathetic little thing, aren't you.
These are the three pics posted: (just rt click/save image as)
Some simpleton thought it belonged in this thread.
And then went on to pretend that it didn't exist at all.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise
Don't overlook Exercise early in the morning.
The Human liver makes extra sugar, and burning it off first thing will drop one right back into Ketosis, and also re-zero the Daily Net Carb calculation.
I only take pictures of things that interest me - so I date stamp them.
GR
Obviously, the way you're playing it up, it interests you.
So, why did you have to take a photo, yesterday ?
& why did you intimate that you had their "final production" ??
'Cause, you're a braggart, lying, POS, [bleep], trying to impress, the real cool guys !!!
Laughing at you, not with you !!
Thanks for comin' back, bug-wit.
The thing is...
Found a pic of the knife, so I'd have one, without having to take one myself.
As a placeholder for my archives.
Same knife - Ek #5 Bowie.
Then this simpleton, you, came along yesterday and lost his [bleep] over the pic, claiming that the knife did not exist.
So, to keep the little princess from menstruating, and to update my archives, I went into the freezer and retrieved my knife, and took a picture of it, and then posted it.
One would think that that would have been enough.
But this little precious thing not only didn't believe his own eyes, but also brought his asinine accusations over here, to a health and fitness thread.
And is still so confused that his mommy is needed just to tell him that everything is OK.
Just finished the fourth fast in the series, no discernible difference.
The premise is flawed short term, though there may be benefits with long term fasting, short term is pointless from what I can see.
Yes I am aware that the halfwits will say I should have gone longer or that they can do better...good, have at it...knock yourselves out.
The upshot is that they are talking shit.
This is true and kinda my point from the beginning... Time restricted eating isn't something new, by itself it's the least effective way to lose weight in the genetics/activity/diet.
It's a convenient platform to possibly reduce food consumption, but if you eat the same amount of food a day it is very limited on losing weight, you really won't tell the difference.
These guys on here are also doing some combination of low carb/no sugar/no carb. That's where the weight is being lost. You can reduce your intake even multiple times a day, stay in ketosis by what you eat not when, lose the same amount of weight.
I've also done the 1 day a week fast, on sundays, tomorrow will be the forth in a row also. I eat twice a day, have for 10 years just because. Don't get hungry during a day fast. I've lost 2 net lbs in the last 4 weeks but that was from increased work load and Aug heat. I fluctuate 6lbs during a hard day and that's water weight.
But I'm already where these guys are trying to get to body weight wise. I could lose weight but I'm finally up to the weight that is the best balance of strength and health for me.
For me the 1 day a week fast is a cleansing of toxins, there has been no great weight loss, not noticeable at all, and that's fine.
To break trough the wall of weight loss takes multiple applications at the same time... activity/diet/platform of how you eat.
This thread went from an IF to keto thread quickly.
Wasn't trying to lose weight, I was checking to see how much shit the op and his boyfriends were spruiking...a lot apparently.
I understood. Disregarding the bs, has it helped your acid reflux?
Kent
No...that was transitory.
Generally it isn't that much of an issue...but I really do like potato bake.
Added...and God help me I have discovered that the Balranald Bakery makes a most excellent sourdough loaf.
There is one thing of interest...the sourdough bread like the gluten free bread doesn't bloat me like other bread does...I confirmed this yesterday by consuming a half loaf in one sitting with absolutely no ill affects other than being overfull...as opposed to one slice of regular white/bran/brown bread causing bloat.
It has helped mine, but it has never been a permanent issue, has always come and gone.
Mostly my wife is starting to suffer arthritis in her hip, trying to reduce inflammation. She is pretty careful on her carbs and no sugar anyway, eats at 12 and then dinner. Haven't seen great results yet, still trying. She's reluctant to get a hip replacement. It's going to be one of those deals when she finally does she'll regret waiting so long. I'm just support either way.
It has helped mine, but it has never been a permanent issue, has always come and gone.
Mostly my wife is starting to suffer arthritis in her hip, trying to reduce inflammation. She is pretty careful on her carbs and no sugar anyway, eats at 12 and then dinner. Haven't seen great results yet, still trying. She's reluctant to get a hip replacement. It's going to be one of those deals when she finally does she'll regret waiting so long. I'm just support either way.
It has helped mine, but it has never been a permanent issue, has always come and gone.
Mostly my wife is starting to suffer arthritis in her hip, trying to reduce inflammation. She is pretty careful on her carbs and no sugar anyway, eats at 12 and then dinner. Haven't seen great results yet, still trying. She's reluctant to get a hip replacement. It's going to be one of those deals when she finally does she'll regret waiting so long. I'm just support either way.
Kent
If she is a white woman of European decent, she needs to cut out nightshade vegetables
It has helped mine, but it has never been a permanent issue, has always come and gone.
Mostly my wife is starting to suffer arthritis in her hip, trying to reduce inflammation. She is pretty careful on her carbs and no sugar anyway, eats at 12 and then dinner. Haven't seen great results yet, still trying. She's reluctant to get a hip replacement. It's going to be one of those deals when she finally does she'll regret waiting so long. I'm just support either way.
Kent
If she is a white woman of European decent, she needs to cut out nightshade vegetables
Half welch/polish, half spanish/mex, dark hair green eyes.
I have no idea what nightshade vegetables are.
I'm a meat and potatoes guy... corn and greenbeans.
Wasn't trying to lose weight, I was checking to see how much shit the op and his boyfriends were spruiking...a lot apparently.
I understood. Disregarding the bs, has it helped your acid reflux?
Kent
No...that was transitory.
Generally it isn't that much of an issue...but I really do like potato bake.
Added...and God help me I have discovered that the Balranald Bakery makes a most excellent sourdough loaf.
There is one thing of interest...the sourdough bread like the gluten free bread doesn't bloat me like other bread does...I confirmed this yesterday by consuming a half loaf in one sitting with absolutely no ill affects other than being overfull...as opposed to one slice of regular white/bran/brown bread causing bloat.
Bread is pretty much my undoing for acid reflux, I eat it but not a half loaf of french bread anymore, try to keep it from 2 to 4 slices a day.
Condiments means I may get a few carbs from Tabasco Chipotle sauce.
We have not started yet. Yesterday I ate blackberries, sour kraut, kimchi, and pickle....kiss those good bye.
Carb content of vegetables are not counted on Primal Blueprint, and the results at least in my case are very good, with IF, both OMD or sustained fasting are great.
A lifestyle for four years and starting my fifth after 50 years of fighting obesity.
I dropped in to see nothing has changed, everyone is committed to their own beliefs and will never change, never open their mind, exactly like the liberal fk's destroying the country.
Conservatism is being as close to the line of reality as possible, liberalism is drifting away from the line.
Reality is if you only wish to focus on the eating part of weight gain or loss... whatever you eat that makes you fat, don't eat it and you will lose weight... it doesn't matter when you don't eat it... just don't.
Carb content of vegetables are not counted on Primal Blueprint, and the results at least in my case are very good, with IF, both OMD or sustained fasting are great.
A lifestyle for four years and starting my fifth after 50 years of fighting obesity.
I dropped in to see nothing has changed, everyone is committed to their own beliefs and will never change, never open their mind, exactly like the liberal fk's destroying the country.
So what...why do you expect everyone to do as you do?
I dropped in to see nothing has changed, everyone is committed to their own beliefs and will never change, never open their mind, exactly like the liberal fk's destroying the country.
.An extensive literature review was conducted to analyze how a secondary mathematics teacher can best support female and LGBTQ students. ..... This research indicates there are more things teachers should be doing to support students who have been historically marginalized in mathematics.
Conservatism is being as close to the line of reality as possible, liberalism is drifting away from the line.
Reality is if you only wish to focus on the eating part of weight gain or loss... whatever you eat that makes you fat, don't eat it and you will lose weight... it doesn't matter when you don't eat it... just don't.
Kent
Pretty much captures the essence of the thing...from my experience at least.
All this is terrific for those watching weight, but for those that toil physically it doesn't keep them going.
Carb content of vegetables are not counted on Primal Blueprint, and the results at least in my case are very good, with IF, both OMD or sustained fasting are great.
A lifestyle for four years and starting my fifth after 50 years of fighting obesity.
I dropped in to see nothing has changed, everyone is committed to their own beliefs and will never change, never open their mind, exactly like the liberal fk's destroying the country.
So what...why do you expect everyone to do as you do?
Condiments means I may get a few carbs from Tabasco Chipotle sauce.
We have not started yet. Yesterday I ate blackberries, sour kraut, kimchi, and pickle....kiss those good bye.
I did carnivore for a month when I first started trying to lose weight. I didn't crap the last two weeks and started eating lots of greens and salads with my meat.
It has helped mine, but it has never been a permanent issue, has always come and gone.
Mostly my wife is starting to suffer arthritis in her hip, trying to reduce inflammation. She is pretty careful on her carbs and no sugar anyway, eats at 12 and then dinner. Haven't seen great results yet, still trying. She's reluctant to get a hip replacement. It's going to be one of those deals when she finally does she'll regret waiting so long. I'm just support either way.
Kent
If she is a white woman of European decent, she needs to cut out nightshade vegetables
Absolutely! My wife read an article about Tom Brady (we both hate him) but he said nightshades caused him inflammation and pain so my wife wondered if that was her problem. She felt like she was getting older faster and hurting from arthritis and since she consumed tomatoes and peppers daily along with potatoes and eggplant is her favorite she cut it out and almost overnight felt immensely better. She now cheats very rarely if the “juice is worth the squeeze” but she pays for it later. I’ve given her 600+mg (the minimum anti inflammatory dose) ahead of time if she’s going to cheat which can help but she still feels it in her joints.
It doesn’t matter what I eat my back and shoulders always hurt so I eat what I want every 24 hours. 😀
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Changing your eating window from 6am/6pm to 7am/5pm or 10am/6pm or 12am/6am... and eating the exact same food that made you fat, won't cure your diabetes... that's the IF/IM part of the discussion.
Increasing activity and reducing/eliminating foods that cause your diabetes is how you can control it.
Using a restricted eating window as a platform to reduce food intake along with activity and diet is a phycological benefit, but by itself isn't effective... either of the other two do have benefit by itself.
Why does that matter? because someone watching the video will think they can eat unrestricted but in an 8 hour window and cure diabetes, lose a hundred pounds... just don't eat and hour after getting up and 3 hours before bed minimum... and that's not true.
You will drop 10lbs of water weight the first couple weeks and hit the wall.
Changing your eating window from 6am/6pm to 7am/5pm or 10am/6pm or 12am/6am... and eating the exact same food that made you fat, won't cure your diabetes... that's the IF/IM part of the discussion.
Increasing activity and reducing/eliminating foods that cause your diabetes is how you can control it.
Using a restricted eating window as a platform to reduce food intake along with activity and diet is a phycological benefit, but by itself isn't effective... either of the other two do have benefit by itself.
Why does that matter? because someone watching the video will think they can eat unrestricted but in an 8 hour window and cure diabetes, lose a hundred pounds... just don't eat and hour after getting up and 3 hours before bed minimum... and that's not true.
You will drop 10lbs of water weight the first couple weeks and hit the wall.
Kent
I did not get that impression if you are referencing Fung's two compartment video.
That was certainly the case with Atkin's Diet, unlimited protein and fat until you were full.
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Insulin - is triggered by the presence of excess sugar in the blood - to transport it into either muscle, Liver, or fat cells.
Even if the Liver is the one making it.
Dietary Fasting - does not exist in a high blood-sugar environment.
... Starvation does.
Dr. Fung avoided Ketosis as the base of Dietary Fasting, while assuming its presence.
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Insulin - is triggered by the presence of excess sugar in the blood - to transport it into either muscle, Liver, or fat cells.
Even if the Liver is the one making it.
Dietary Fasting - does not exist in a high blood-sugar environment.
... Starvation does.
Dr. Fung avoided Ketosis as the base of Dietary Fasting, while assuming its presence.
GR
Are you arguing a point because your posts don't make much sense....not trying to be a dk' just don't get it.
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Insulin - is triggered by the presence of excess sugar in the blood - to transport it into either muscle, Liver, or fat cells.
Even if the Liver is the one making it.
Dietary Fasting - does not exist in a high blood-sugar environment.
... Starvation does.
Dr. Fung avoided Ketosis as the base of Dietary Fasting, while assuming its presence.
GR
Are you arguing a point because your posts don't make much sense....not trying to be a dk' just don't get it.
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Insulin - is triggered by the presence of excess sugar in the blood - to transport it into either muscle, Liver, or fat cells.
Even if the Liver is the one making it.
Dietary Fasting - does not exist in a high blood-sugar environment.
... Starvation does.
Dr. Fung avoided Ketosis as the base of Dietary Fasting, while assuming its presence.
GR
Are you arguing a point because your posts don't make much sense....not trying to be a dk' just don't get it.
Depends on what you don't understand, doesn't it.
So what do you know?
GR
You are a dk’
“What Happens When We Eat? When we eat, we ingest more food energy than we can immediately use. Some of this energy needs to be stored away for later. The key hormone involved in both the storage and use of food energy is insulin, which rises during meals. Both carbohydrates and protein stimulate insulin. Fat triggers a far smaller insulin effect, but it’s rarely eaten alone. Insulin has two major functions. First, it allows the body to immediately start using food energy. Carbohydrates are absorbed and rapidly turned into glucose, raising blood sugar levels. Insulin allows glucose to enter directly into”
— Complete Guide To Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting by Jimmy Moore, Jason Fung
What seems to be lost in the discussion about fasting, in this thread and elsewhere and narrowing it down to continuous fasting is the person is not starving. Without dietary carbs, and after the depletion of gylcogen the body uses the most readily available fuel sources and that is fat. And in my case, my body is "feasting" on fat. No issue with energy, no hunger pain and any desire to eat is simply in my head. This is not BS, it's well documented, proven to be successful and works well. In the case of IF, I believe the benefit is reduced insulin production over reduced calorie intake and for those pre-diabetic or diabetic worth it for better health. I believe Fung said any food source will cause insulin production so no matter how someone chooses to eat, there is still a benefit to health, weightloss and longevity by IF.
Insulin - is triggered by the presence of excess sugar in the blood - to transport it into either muscle, Liver, or fat cells.
Even if the Liver is the one making it.
Dietary Fasting - does not exist in a high blood-sugar environment.
... Starvation does.
Dr. Fung avoided Ketosis as the base of Dietary Fasting, while assuming its presence.
GR
Are you arguing a point because your posts don't make much sense....not trying to be a dk' just don't get it.
Depends on what you don't understand, doesn't it.
So what do you know?
GR
You are a dk’
“What Happens When We Eat? When we eat, we ingest more food energy than we can immediately use. Some of this energy needs to be stored away for later. The key hormone involved in both the storage and use of food energy is insulin, which rises during meals. Both carbohydrates and protein stimulate insulin. Fat triggers a far smaller insulin effect, but it’s rarely eaten alone. Insulin has two major functions. First, it allows the body to immediately start using food energy. Carbohydrates are absorbed and rapidly turned into glucose, raising blood sugar levels. Insulin allows glucose to enter directly into”
— Complete Guide To Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting by Jimmy Moore, Jason Fung
Insulin - It regulates the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats and protein by promoting the absorption of glucose from the blood into liver, fat and skeletal muscle cells.[8] In these tissues the absorbed glucose is converted into either glycogen via glycogenesis or fats (triglycerides) via lipogenesis, or, in the case of the liver, into both.[8] Glucose production and secretion by the liver is strongly inhibited by high concentrations of insulin in the blood.[9] Circulating insulin also affects the synthesis of proteins in a wide variety of tissues. It is therefore an anabolic hormone, promoting the conversion of small molecules in the blood into large molecules inside the cells. Low insulin levels in the blood have the opposite effect by promoting widespread catabolism, especially of reserve body fat.
Insulin - removes excess sugar from the blood.
Dietary sugar is first relegated to autonomic functions like red blood cells and the brain, then, with a little insulin, is stored in small amounts in the Liver and muscle tissue.
Then, with a spike in insulin, it is stored in the adipose tissue (fat cells).
Absent dietary sugar, the only sugar in the blood is that made out of Protein by the Liver and a few other organs, and any excess, with a little insulin, is stored in the Liver or in muscle tissue.
Dietary Fasting - is about the body running on Ketones and fat, either dietary or stored, and making what little sugar is required out of protein.
I don't hardly deserve to feel this good in my 60's. Anyone can do it if they want it enough. I wish everyone could. I'm telling you....low carb living will change your life.
I don't hardly deserve to feel this good in my 60's. Anyone can do it if they want it enough. I wish everyone could. I'm telling you....low carb living will change your life.
Great job Salmonella, you get it and it shows!
I have decided to go IF/Full Carnivore for the last 15 lbs.
Ya'll need to eat greens for a couple days between those huge meat feasts. I do low carb whole foods and meats, but I go a few days on greens, Greek yogurt, and blueberries, big all vegetable salads, in between the meat feasts.
Ya'll need to eat greens for a couple days between those huge meat feasts. I do low carb whole foods and meats, but I go a few days on greens, Greek yogurt, and blueberries, big all vegetable salads, in between the meat feasts.
Not according to Jordan Peterson, one of the most famous Canadians these days, notice how slim he is?
This video convinced me. I am going 100% Carnivore, period. Besides I love the chit, so there will be no sacrificing for me.
I will be eating the most expensive cuts of beef I can find, I can afford it. I will also eat all the venison I kill of course.
The restrictive nature of the carnivore diet leaves entire food groups out of a person’s diet, thereby excluding most of the vitamins, minerals, and micronutrients they provide.
Vegetables, fruits, and grains contain fiber, which is essential for healthy digestion. ResearchTrusted Source has found that dietary fiber can also protect against colon cancer and colorectal adenoma.
According to some other researchTrusted Source, eating red meat and processed meat is associated with an increased risk of coronary artery disease and diabetes.
A further health risk may stem from the type of meat that a person eats.
For example, some meats are high in saturated fat, which can raise cholesterol levels in the blood. ResearchTrusted Source has found that eating a lot of saturated fat over the long-term can increase a person’s risk of coronary heart disease.
For people with chronic kidney disease (CKD), following a high protein diet might be especially damaging.
StudiesTrusted Source have suggested that limiting protein intake in people with CKD can slow the progression of the condition and delay the need for dialysis therapy.
Limiting variety in the diet could also be particularly dangerous for pregnant or lactating people, whose nutritional needs are unlikely to be met by an ASF diet.
Other unpleasant side effects of ASF and LCHF diets include constipation, headaches, bad breath, and flatulence.”
It's more about functional insulin receptors and the glycemic index of the different food groups, processed vs non-processed, for much of the theory of intermittent fasting and its benefits for many wrt weight loss if that is a problem they struggle with. Young people are much less affected... overall metabolism and activity explain much of that!
"One size doesn't fit all" applies here as well. We are all individuals with unique genetic profiles as well as "environments" in which we live. Think smokers who live to ripe old ages never experiencing lung cancer or emphysema, as well as the person who seems to be able to eat everything they want and always stay thin, often no more active than the next guy, especially as they age. Exceptions stand out for sure!
The wise man considers a little bit of everything in finding "truths"... cellular receptors matter just as much as the hormones/drugs that bind them. Think chronic narcotic tolerance and dependence and the problems it has had for society... all about the dynamics of cellular receptors and lack thereof.
The restrictive nature of the carnivore diet leaves entire food groups out of a person’s diet, thereby excluding most of the vitamins, minerals, and micronutrients they provide.
Vegetables, fruits, and grains contain fiber, which is essential for healthy digestion. ResearchTrusted Source has found that dietary fiber can also protect against colon cancer and colorectal adenoma.
According to some other researchTrusted Source, eating red meat and processed meat is associated with an increased risk of coronary artery disease and diabetes.
A further health risk may stem from the type of meat that a person eats.
For example, some meats are high in saturated fat, which can raise cholesterol levels in the blood. ResearchTrusted Source has found that eating a lot of saturated fat over the long-term can increase a person’s risk of coronary heart disease.
For people with chronic kidney disease (CKD), following a high protein diet might be especially damaging.
StudiesTrusted Source have suggested that limiting protein intake in people with CKD can slow the progression of the condition and delay the need for dialysis therapy.
Limiting variety in the diet could also be particularly dangerous for pregnant or lactating people, whose nutritional needs are unlikely to be met by an ASF diet.
Other unpleasant side effects of ASF and LCHF diets include constipation, headaches, bad breath, and flatulence.”
I take my Vitamins and Minerals daily in Liquid from and have for years, for better assimilation, problem solved lol
Ya'll need to eat greens for a couple days between those huge meat feasts. I do low carb whole foods and meats, but I go a few days on greens, Greek yogurt, and blueberries, big all vegetable salads, in between the meat feasts.
Not according to Jordan Peterson, one of the most famous Canadians these days, notice how slim he is?
This video convinced me. I am going 100% Carnivore, period. Besides I love the chit, so there will be no sacrificing for me.
I will be eating the most expensive cuts of beef I can find, I can afford it. I will also eat all the venison I kill of course.
He eats that way because of autoimmune disease, not because it's the healthiest diet for healthy humans. He is lean but not particularly healthy.
It’s great not being a whacko Carbotard and being able to eat anything I want, whenever I want to.
Good, healthy choices coupled with a normal exercise routine.
7 days of Chocolate Cake after every dinner experiment yielded 2 pounds of weight gain and incredible strength gains.
Getting stronger is never the wrong answer
Abs as of 5 minutes ago at 220; the most I’ve ever weighed…
Don’t rub your dick too raw you Fuqking pillow-biters
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sack of mashed potatoes, Rick.
You've got 30 lbs. of fat there.
... and you're just gettin' fatter.
Nature's way... for those on a baby food diet.
Metabolic Disease as well.
Next time you're in the gym, take a 35 lb. Olympic weight plate, hold it to your fat chest, and serpentine between the stations and machines, around the gym a coupla times, as fast as you can.
Then eat some baby food and take a nap.
When you wake up?
Do the same thing, except without the plate.
The 2nd run difference will be essentially you, with the plate, after losing all your baby fat and becoming a useful human.
Does the flat iron cook the same a grilling on a gas grill? What are the bene's of the flat iron....other than making a bad ass breakfast on that sucker of course.
Worked out of town the last 2 days, long hard days. Stopped for road food on the way back this morning at a place I know but haven't been to in a couple years. Great food... complained to the waitress that the pancakes were to small and 6 pieces of bacon wasn't enough... If you work hard enough you can eat this and not die...
Worked out of town the last 2 days, long hard days. Stopped for road food on the way back this morning at a place I know but haven't been to in a couple years. Great food... complained to the waitress that the pancakes were to small and 6 pieces of bacon wasn't enough... If you work hard enough you can eat this and not die...
Kent
Looks delicious but I am still amazed that you can think the quality of your food won't matter if you work hard enough. Enjoy some pancakes occasionally, but getting fat isn't the only health risk if you eat too much processed junk.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
No, it is not.
Yes it is!
Couldn't tell a skinny family member that either and he is in intensive care now from a heart attack. He was really proud of how hard he worked and bragged that he needed the junk food for energy to keep going.
Worked out of town the last 2 days, long hard days. Stopped for road food on the way back this morning at a place I know but haven't been to in a couple years. Great food... complained to the waitress that the pancakes were to small and 6 pieces of bacon wasn't enough... If you work hard enough you can eat this and not die...
Kent
Looks delicious but I am still amazed that you can think the quality of your food won't matter if you work hard enough. Enjoy some pancakes occasionally, but getting fat isn't the only health risk if you eat too much processed junk.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
There's no coloration of gasoline in a car and eating food.
You eat food, the nutrients are removed and the waste chit out.
I'm not going to die any earlier eating what I eat.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
There's no coloration of gasoline in a car and eating food.
You eat food, the nutrients are removed and the waste chit out.
I'm not going to die any earlier eating what I eat.
Well, you may live longer in fact. Because no one will want to strangle you for constantly harping on what they should be eating.
I eat good healthy foods. I just eat to much and at the wrong time. Working till dark, then eating and going to bed isn't good. But it beats the he'll out of going to bed hungry.
If someone is skinny and has heart issues it's genetic not food.
Kent
I'm sorry but you're wrong. It might be genetic but skinny people can suffer from poor nutrition choices just as much as fat people. Sugar causes irritation in artery walls and plaque is a result, whether fat or not.
You could study it enough to know but I don't really think you want to know. You just want to be right. it's hard to learn when you get old.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
There's no coloration of gasoline in a car and eating food.
You eat food, the nutrients are removed and the waste chit out.
I'm not going to die any earlier eating what I eat.
Well, you may live longer in fact. Because no one will want to strangle you for constantly harping on what they should be eating.
I don't bitch at anybody for eating or drinking whatever they want, but I will call BS if they claim it doesn't matter as long as they work hard enough.
I don't bitch at anybody for eating or drinking whatever they want, but I will call BS if they claim it doesn't matter as long as they work hard enough.
And you think there's a difference? People can eat what they want as long as they have a balanced, nutritious diet and exercise plenty.
Eating a few damn pancakes doesn't hurt anyone, unless they eat pancakes to the exclusion of high quality protein and vegetables.
If someone is skinny and has heart issues it's genetic not food.
Kent
I'm sorry but you're wrong. It might be genetic but skinny people can suffer from poor nutrition choices just as much as fat people. Sugar causes irritation in artery walls and plaque is a result, whether fat or not.
You could study it enough to know but I don't really think you want to know. You just want to be right. it's hard to learn when you get old.
You don't know why the skinny guy has heart issues, though you are claiming it's food related. It's your story, prove it, what's the clinical analysis?
I guess when a 22 year old soccer player dies of a heart attack on the field it was his diet and he was working to hard...
I don't bitch at anybody for eating or drinking whatever they want, but I will call BS if they claim it doesn't matter as long as they work hard enough.
And you think there's a difference? People can eat what they want as long as they have a balanced, nutritious diet and exercise plenty.
Eating a few damn pancakes doesn't hurt anyone, unless they eat pancakes to the exclusion of high quality protein and vegetables.
I already said twice occasional treats weren't horrible. What I called BS on is thinking it isn't hurting at all as long as you work it off. That is absolutely BS. You can get by eating so much poison, but you don't need to make the mistake of thinking it isn't poison.
If someone is skinny and has heart issues it's genetic not food.
Kent
I'm sorry but you're wrong. It might be genetic but skinny people can suffer from poor nutrition choices just as much as fat people. Sugar causes irritation in artery walls and plaque is a result, whether fat or not.
You could study it enough to know but I don't really think you want to know. You just want to be right. it's hard to learn when you get old.
You don't know why the skinny guy has heart issues, though you are claiming it's food related. It's your story, prove it, what's the clinical analysis?
I guess when a 22 year old soccer player dies of a heart attack on the field it was his diet and he was working to hard...
Maybe your relative was vaxxed.
Kent
What I'm telling you is that all foods aren't equal by a long shot. What you eat does matter. That should be just common damn sense. Anybody that thinks pancakes are healthy just doesn't have a clue. Eat them if you want but don't act like they're healthy as long as you haul hay afterwards.
If someone is skinny and has heart issues it's genetic not food.
Kent
I'm sorry but you're wrong. It might be genetic but skinny people can suffer from poor nutrition choices just as much as fat people. Sugar causes irritation in artery walls and plaque is a result, whether fat or not.
You could study it enough to know but I don't really think you want to know. You just want to be right. it's hard to learn when you get old.
You don't know why the skinny guy has heart issues, though you are claiming it's food related. It's your story, prove it, what's the clinical analysis?
I guess when a 22 year old soccer player dies of a heart attack on the field it was his diet and he was working to hard...
Maybe your relative was vaxxed.
Kent
What I'm telling you is that all foods aren't equal by a long shot. What you eat does matter. That should be just common damn sense. Anybody that thinks pancakes are healthy just doesn't have a clue. Eat them if you want but don't act like they're healthy as long as you haul hay afterwards.
A pancake is poison... you are off the deep end...
Don’t skimp on carbohydrates Although low carbohydrate diets are popular go-to’s for people wanting to lose weight, they’re not ideal for distance runners, who thrive on carbohydrates for endurance.
“Very low carbohydrate diets, such as the ketogenic diet, plus running is not a good idea,” Eidel says. “I would not recommend keto to anyone unless they have been told by their doctor that this a medically safe option for them and they are being monitored while in ketosis.
“Distance runners need more carbs than people who aren’t training. Undereating carbohydrates can be hard on your body and affect your recovery after your run.”
Here’s why: Running uses both glucose in the blood and your stores of glycogen. Glucose is the form of sugar that circulates in the bloodstream, and glycogen, Eidel explains, is the sugar stored in your liver and muscles that acts as the primary fuel for endurance exercise.
Eating plenty of carbs helps ensure that these energy stores are ready to support your training. When those stores get too low, runners are more likely to run out of energy and “burn out” or “hit a wall” while training.
Weight loss can be accomplished by a number of methods. Compliance tops science for most people. Claiming one way is healthier or gives longevity is skating on pretty thin ice. Longevity data for each of the currently popular diets would be limited and very hard to interpret.
The very long lived people I’ve know did not follow any of these plans. At times, they gladly ate whatever they had. It’s only been for the last century or so that overeating has even been an issue. Famine and starvation were bigger concerns before that. In big parts of the world, they still are.
The common denominator in all the exfat guy's stories of why they got fat was inactivity. Their job, a disability, an injury. They quit being as active.
But now it's the evils of eating, and anyone that doesn't eat like them is unhealthy... but they aren't fanatics.
Saying eat what you want just work hard enough is like thinking you can run the worst fuel in an engine, and it won't matter as long as you run it hard enough.
There's no coloration of gasoline in a car and eating food.
You eat food, the nutrients are removed and the waste chit out.
I'm not going to die any earlier eating what I eat.
Well, you may live longer in fact. Because no one will want to strangle you for constantly harping on what they should be eating.
Weight loss can be accomplished by a number of methods. Compliance tops science for most people. Claiming one way is healthier or gives longevity is skating on pretty thin ice. Longevity data for each of the currently popular diets would be limited and very hard to interpret.
The very long lived people I’ve know did not follow any of these plans. At times, they gladly ate whatever they had. It’s only been for the last century or so that overeating has even been an issue. Famine and starvation were bigger concerns before that. In big parts of the world, they still are.
The common denominator in all the exfat guy's stories of why they got fat was inactivity. Their job, a disability, an injury. They quit being as active.
But now it's the evils of eating, and anyone that doesn't eat like them is unhealthy... but they aren't fanatics.
Kent
You like to make thing up, don't you.
Ate the standard American diet, exercised, played sports, worked as a field craftsman.
Switched to Keto+Fasting+Exercise, and lost 40 lbs.
eat carbs -> insulin resistance -> modern diseases of the last 100 years
or is it... eat seed oils -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
or is it... stop walking for miles every day -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
We cannot tell, because we got carbs when we got seed oils when we stopped exercising
Different Types of Lifestyle Diseases: Heart Disease. ... Obesity. ... Type 2 Diabetes. ... Stroke. ... Hypertension. ... Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Diseases (COPD) ... Asthma. ... Osteoporosis dimentia
If your point is that you can't avoid everything that's possibly bad for you then I agree. That doesn't mean though that you should eat processed junk that anyone should know is unhealthy but lie to yourself that if you work enough it doesn't matter.
If you have never cut that crap completely out of your diet for more than 6 months, you have no idea how much better you would feel without it. I could eat some pancakes, but I wouldn't like how they made me feel. If you've never been off processed food and sugar, you have no idea how that stuff affects you. It's nearly like someone who drinks alcohol all day and doesn't understand how much better he would feel without it.
eat carbs -> insulin resistance -> modern diseases of the last 100 years
or is it... eat seed oils -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
or is it... stop walking for miles every day -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
We cannot tell, because we got carbs when we got seed oils when we stopped exercising
Different Types of Lifestyle Diseases: Heart Disease. ... Obesity. ... Type 2 Diabetes. ... Stroke. ... Hypertension. ... Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Diseases (COPD) ... Asthma. ... Osteoporosis dimentia
If your point is that you can't avoid everything that's possibly bad for you then I agree. That doesn't mean though that you should eat processed junk that anyone should know is unhealthy but lie to yourself that if you work enough it doesn't matter.
If you have never cut that crap completely out of your diet for more than 6 months, you have no idea how much better you would feel without it. I could eat some pancakes, but I wouldn't like how they made me feel. If you've never been off processed food and sugar, you have no idea how that stuff affects you. It's nearly like someone who drinks alcohol all day and doesn't understand how much better he would feel without it.
To be fair, you don’t really know how much better, if any, he’d feel. Lots of people that eat differently than you feel great now. It sounds like your method works great for you. Congratulations. By using it, you probably saved your own life. That still does not mean that yours is the only way.
Regarding lifestyle illnesses, Mummies from ancient Egypt have demonstrated coronary atherosclerosis. Of course, carbohydrates have been part of man’s diet for all of recorded history. Even God thought bread was fine. He even demonstrated how we should pray for it.
eat carbs -> insulin resistance -> modern diseases of the last 100 years
or is it... eat seed oils -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
or is it... stop walking for miles every day -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
We cannot tell, because we got carbs when we got seed oils when we stopped exercising
Different Types of Lifestyle Diseases: Heart Disease. ... Obesity. ... Type 2 Diabetes. ... Stroke. ... Hypertension. ... Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Diseases (COPD) ... Asthma. ... Osteoporosis dimentia
If your point is that you can't avoid everything that's possibly bad for you then I agree. That doesn't mean though that you should eat processed junk that anyone should know is unhealthy but lie to yourself that if you work enough it doesn't matter.
If you have never cut that crap completely out of your diet for more than 6 months, you have no idea how much better you would feel without it. I could eat some pancakes, but I wouldn't like how they made me feel. If you've never been off processed food and sugar, you have no idea how that stuff affects you. It's nearly like someone who drinks alcohol all day and doesn't understand how much better he would feel without it.
To be fair, you don’t really know how much better, if any, he’d feel. Lots of people that eat differently than you feel great now. It sounds like your method works great for you. Congratulations. By using it, you probably saved your own life. That still does not mean that yours is the only way.
Regarding lifestyle illnesses, Mummies from ancient Egypt have demonstrated coronary atherosclerosis. Of course, carbohydrates have been part of man’s diet for all of recorded history. Even God thought bread was fine. He even demonstrated how we should pray for it.
I'm not being fanatical at all. Why is advocating eating real food rather than processed a fanatical idea? You do know the bread today is a far cry from what it was even 200 years ago don't you?
eat carbs -> insulin resistance -> modern diseases of the last 100 years
or is it... eat seed oils -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
or is it... stop walking for miles every day -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
We cannot tell, because we got carbs when we got seed oils when we stopped exercising
Different Types of Lifestyle Diseases: Heart Disease. ... Obesity. ... Type 2 Diabetes. ... Stroke. ... Hypertension. ... Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Diseases (COPD) ... Asthma. ... Osteoporosis dimentia
If your point is that you can't avoid everything that's possibly bad for you then I agree. That doesn't mean though that you should eat processed junk that anyone should know is unhealthy but lie to yourself that if you work enough it doesn't matter.
If you have never cut that crap completely out of your diet for more than 6 months, you have no idea how much better you would feel without it. I could eat some pancakes, but I wouldn't like how they made me feel. If you've never been off processed food and sugar, you have no idea how that stuff affects you. It's nearly like someone who drinks alcohol all day and doesn't understand how much better he would feel without it.
To be fair, you don’t really know how much better, if any, he’d feel. Lots of people that eat differently than you feel great now. It sounds like your method works great for you. Congratulations. By using it, you probably saved your own life. That still does not mean that yours is the only way.
Regarding lifestyle illnesses, Mummies from ancient Egypt have demonstrated coronary atherosclerosis. Of course, carbohydrates have been part of man’s diet for all of recorded history. Even God thought bread was fine. He even demonstrated how we should pray for it.
I'm not being fanatical at all. Why is advocating eating real food rather than processed a fanatical idea? You do know the bread today is a far cry from what it was even 200 years ago don't you?
Advocating anything else but your belief is BS, which you said, is being fanatical.
Misery loves company and if you can't eat it no one should, or they are WRONG, your word.
I'm healthier and in better shape than you... but somehow I'm wrong and BSing.
eat carbs -> insulin resistance -> modern diseases of the last 100 years
or is it... eat seed oils -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
or is it... stop walking for miles every day -> modern diseases of the last 100 years?
We cannot tell, because we got carbs when we got seed oils when we stopped exercising
Different Types of Lifestyle Diseases: Heart Disease. ... Obesity. ... Type 2 Diabetes. ... Stroke. ... Hypertension. ... Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Diseases (COPD) ... Asthma. ... Osteoporosis dimentia
If your point is that you can't avoid everything that's possibly bad for you then I agree. That doesn't mean though that you should eat processed junk that anyone should know is unhealthy but lie to yourself that if you work enough it doesn't matter.
If you have never cut that crap completely out of your diet for more than 6 months, you have no idea how much better you would feel without it. I could eat some pancakes, but I wouldn't like how they made me feel. If you've never been off processed food and sugar, you have no idea how that stuff affects you. It's nearly like someone who drinks alcohol all day and doesn't understand how much better he would feel without it.
To be fair, you don’t really know how much better, if any, he’d feel. Lots of people that eat differently than you feel great now. It sounds like your method works great for you. Congratulations. By using it, you probably saved your own life. That still does not mean that yours is the only way.
Regarding lifestyle illnesses, Mummies from ancient Egypt have demonstrated coronary atherosclerosis. Of course, carbohydrates have been part of man’s diet for all of recorded history. Even God thought bread was fine. He even demonstrated how we should pray for it.
I'm not being fanatical at all. Why is advocating eating real food rather than processed a fanatical idea? You do know the bread today is a far cry from what it was even 200 years ago don't you?
I wouldn’t have called you fanatical. Maybe just a bit narrow minded. 🤭 I’d agree that most of us could, and should, pay more attention to what we eat.
Edited to add: If this gets more testy and a fight breaks out, I want both Salmonella AND krp on my side.
It is ok to eat potatoes in elk stew if you do not have insulin resistance, but half of Americans are insulin resistant and diseased with visceral fat.
What is visceral body fat? Visceral body fat, also known as 'hidden' fat, is fat stored deep inside the belly, wrapped around the organs, including the liver and intestines. It makes up about one tenth of all the fat stored in the body.
So the question is, who is more healthy... the guy who bucks hay all day... which I have done... and eats pancakes for breakfast.
Or the guy that's on keto and sits on his ass all day trying to not be fat, maybe working out 30 minutes a day.
The guy working his ass off all day will be in better shape, equals healthier.
Kent
The guy lifting schidt and busting his ass and avoiding carbs every day.
Can't bust your ass all day every day and never eat carbs.
It's a balance.
Kent
Wrong. I do it every day
Do what still butcher or something harder?
Kent
Some of you just won't listen.
When I was in my 20's and 30's I busted my ass in the gym almost every day.
I mean crushing the weights.
Here I am in my 60's.
I feel great in my clothes. I wake up happy in my skin. I have 6 pack abs. I don't have quite the muscle mass of my 30's. But come on.
I truly don't understand why some of you fight the honest truth of my experience. It's unreal. I'm not lying to you.
Because they are MORONS, is the answer you are looking for lmfao
You are all over the place with this and that, wishywashy. Sucking up to everybody then getting butt hurt. Maybe Sal will let you be his buddy.
Kent
I have read most of your posts, I am wishywashy? What a F'ing joke.
I am a 100% Intermittent Fasting disciple. It works for me, and it works for anyone who wants to lose and maintain their weight.
Anyone who says it isn't true or it's unhealthy or your body burns muscle before exhausting body fat is not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree.
Anyone who says it does not work is stupid. As mentioned I lost 65 lbs. in three months by dedicating myself to doing 48, 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, along with a heavy schedule of aerobic exercising.
Intermittent Fasting works wonders not only for losing weight rapidly but also for cleaning up your internal mechanisms and eliminating blood pressure issues, skin issues, and reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
That has been my position from day 1, It will never change and for as long as I live, I will be living the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle, period!
PS: I backed out of this thread, because I was tired of all of the stupid, uneducated comments made in this thread, not because my feelings were hurt.
The 67 year old wife and my 72 year old self, just watched this video, and then we sprinted in the street.
Low-carb diets are an effective way to reduce visceral fat.
In fact, many studies have shown that low-carb diets are more effective at reducing visceral fat than low-fat diets (13Trusted Source, 14Trusted Source, 15Trusted Source, 16Trusted Source).
In an 8-week study including 69 overweight men and women, scientists found that people who followed a low-carb diet lost 10% more visceral fat and 4.4% more total fat than those on a low-fat diet (15Trusted Source).
Additionally, the ketogenic diet, which is a very low-carb diet, may also help reduce visceral fat (16Trusted Source).
Ketogenic diets drastically reduce carb intake and replace it with fat. This can put you in a natural metabolic state called ketosis (17Trusted Source).
A study including 28 overweight and obese adults found that those who followed a ketogenic diet lost more fat, especially visceral fat, than people following a low-fat diet.
Interestingly, they did so while eating roughly 300 more calories per day (16Trusted Source).
I have read most of your posts, I am wishywashy? What a F'ing joke.
I am a 100% Intermittent Fasting disciple. It works for me, and it works for anyone who wants to lose and maintain their weight.
Anyone who says it isn't true or it's unhealthy or your body burns muscle before exhausting body fat is not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree.
Anyone who says it does not work is stupid. As mentioned I lost 65 lbs. in three months by dedicating myself to doing 48, 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, along with a heavy schedule of aerobic exercising.
Intermittent Fasting works wonders not only for losing weight rapidly but also for cleaning up your internal mechanisms and eliminating blood pressure issues, skin issues, and reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
That has been my position from day 1, It will never change and for as long as I live, I will be living the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle, period!
PS: I backed out of this thread, because I was tired of all of the stupid, uneducated comments made in this thread, not because my feelings were hurt.
This hasn't been about IF since JR started posting about Keto from the beginning. You started sucking on that tit and were going to go to 5% then 10% body fat... eat anything, then go carnivore... be like JR... be like Sal... call members obese and old looking because you are butt hurt... gonna quit the thread.
Ya you are solid...
And that's just from your words about eating and not even commenting on your personal life, like you attack others on a personal level.
I have read most of your posts, I am wishywashy? What a F'ing joke.
I am a 100% Intermittent Fasting disciple. It works for me, and it works for anyone who wants to lose and maintain their weight.
Anyone who says it isn't true or it's unhealthy or your body burns muscle before exhausting body fat is not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree.
Anyone who says it does not work is stupid. As mentioned I lost 65 lbs. in three months by dedicating myself to doing 48, 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, along with a heavy schedule of aerobic exercising.
Intermittent Fasting works wonders not only for losing weight rapidly but also for cleaning up your internal mechanisms and eliminating blood pressure issues, skin issues, and reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
That has been my position from day 1, It will never change and for as long as I live, I will be living the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle, period!
PS: I backed out of this thread, because I was tired of all of the stupid, uneducated comments made in this thread, not because my feelings were hurt.
This hasn't been about IF since JR started posting about Keto from the beginning. You started sucking on that tit and were going to go to 5% then 10% body fat... eat anything, then go carnivore... be like JR... be like Sal... call members obese and old looking because you are butt hurt... gonna quit the thread.
Ya you are solid...
And that's just from your words about eating and not even commenting on your personal life, like you attack others on a personal level.
Kent
You are an idiot Kent, I never said I was on a Keto Diet, ever. For me this thread has been about Fasting for Weight Loss and Longevity.
I have recently decided to go to Carnivore to lose the remaining weight, which isn't much since I have been very impressed by Samonella's pictures.
I have been eating OMAD for 4 years, and when I eat I have been eating anything I want. Still do not see my abs, so the next step is to eliminate all carbs and sugar COMPLETELY, which is why I am going 100% OMAD/Carnivore. I am starting next Monday and will report my 30, 60 and 90 day results.
I had this last night 1st Picture, not exactly Carnivore. Starting Monday I will only be eating what's in the second picture along with drinking Electrolytes and taking Liquid Minerals and Vitamins as well as Fish Oils for Omega Fatty Acids.
This hasn't been about IF since JR started posting about Keto from the beginning. You started sucking on that tit and were going to go to 5% then 10% body fat... eat anything, then go carnivore... be like JR... be like Sal... call members obese and old looking because you are butt hurt... gonna quit the thread.
Ya you are solid...
And that's just from your words about eating and not even commenting on your personal life, like you attack others on a personal level.
That's how I eat, the twice a day IF, before it was called that, since about 2009... I've stated this multiple times in this thread. I know what I'm talking about more than these youtube watching, born again ex fat guys.
Clark started this with IF unrestricted eating because it was in the original video, he later said eat anything in the time restricted window.
Then it went to Keto quick and backpack hunt for 7 days while fasting for 7 days, only minerals. 2day on 5 day off eating every week. Can't eat a three musketeers packing an elk out, can't eat a pancake, no carbs, everything except what they eat is poison.
Activity is minimal, eating is maximum.
All this because I say it's genetics first, activity second, diet third and platform of eating last... and that's reality.
They aren't debating IF, they are debating keto vs activity.
I have read most of your posts, I am wishywashy? What a F'ing joke.
I am a 100% Intermittent Fasting disciple. It works for me, and it works for anyone who wants to lose and maintain their weight.
Anyone who says it isn't true or it's unhealthy or your body burns muscle before exhausting body fat is not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree.
Anyone who says it does not work is stupid. As mentioned I lost 65 lbs. in three months by dedicating myself to doing 48, 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, along with a heavy schedule of aerobic exercising.
Intermittent Fasting works wonders not only for losing weight rapidly but also for cleaning up your internal mechanisms and eliminating blood pressure issues, skin issues, and reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
That has been my position from day 1, It will never change and for as long as I live, I will be living the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle, period!
PS: I backed out of this thread, because I was tired of all of the stupid, uneducated comments made in this thread, not because my feelings were hurt.
This hasn't been about IF since JR started posting about Keto from the beginning. You started sucking on that tit and were going to go to 5% then 10% body fat... eat anything, then go carnivore... be like JR... be like Sal... call members obese and old looking because you are butt hurt... gonna quit the thread.
Ya you are solid...
And that's just from your words about eating and not even commenting on your personal life, like you attack others on a personal level.
Kent
You are an idiot Kent, I never said I was on a Keto Diet, ever. For me this thread has been about Fasting for Weight Loss and Longevity.
I have recently decided to go to Carnivore to lose the remaining weight, which isn't much since I have been very impressed by Samonella's pictures.
I have been eating OMAD for 4 years, and when I eat I have been eating anything I want. Still do not see my abs, so the next step is to eliminate all carbs and sugar COMPLETELY, which is why I am going 100% OMAD/Carnivore. I am starting next Monday and will report my 30, 60 and 90 day results.
I had this last night 1st Picture, not exactly Carnivore. Starting Monday I will only be eating what's in the second picture along with drinking Electrolytes and taking Liquid Minerals and Vitamins as well as Fish Oils for Omega Fatty Acids.
So Pizz off Dummy lol
You can't even comprehend conversation, where did I say you are on Keto, I never did... you're a wannabee is all.
I have read most of your posts, I am wishywashy? What a F'ing joke.
I am a 100% Intermittent Fasting disciple. It works for me, and it works for anyone who wants to lose and maintain their weight.
Anyone who says it isn't true or it's unhealthy or your body burns muscle before exhausting body fat is not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree.
Anyone who says it does not work is stupid. As mentioned I lost 65 lbs. in three months by dedicating myself to doing 48, 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts, along with a heavy schedule of aerobic exercising.
Intermittent Fasting works wonders not only for losing weight rapidly but also for cleaning up your internal mechanisms and eliminating blood pressure issues, skin issues, and reversing Type 2 Diabetes.
That has been my position from day 1, It will never change and for as long as I live, I will be living the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle, period!
PS: I backed out of this thread, because I was tired of all of the stupid, uneducated comments made in this thread, not because my feelings were hurt.
This hasn't been about IF since JR started posting about Keto from the beginning. You started sucking on that tit and were going to go to 5% then 10% body fat... eat anything, then go carnivore... be like JR... be like Sal... call members obese and old looking because you are butt hurt... gonna quit the thread.
Ya you are solid...
And that's just from your words about eating and not even commenting on your personal life, like you attack others on a personal level.
Kent
You are an idiot Kent, I never said I was on a Keto Diet, ever. For me this thread has been about Fasting for Weight Loss and Longevity.
I have recently decided to go to Carnivore to lose the remaining weight, which isn't much since I have been very impressed by Samonella's pictures.
I have been eating OMAD for 4 years, and when I eat I have been eating anything I want. Still do not see my abs, so the next step is to eliminate all carbs and sugar COMPLETELY, which is why I am going 100% OMAD/Carnivore. I am starting next Monday and will report my 30, 60 and 90 day results.
I had this last night 1st Picture, not exactly Carnivore. Starting Monday I will only be eating what's in the second picture along with drinking Electrolytes and taking Liquid Minerals and Vitamins as well as Fish Oils for Omega Fatty Acids.
So Pizz off Dummy lol
You can't even comprehend conversation, where did I say you are on Keto, I never did... you're a wannabee is all.
Kent
You have the reading comprehension issues Kent, I never once changed my position.
Since I have a colonoscopy coming up next week, and had to modify my eating habits anyway to prepare for that, I put myself on a diet yesterday. Started fasting (no snacking) the night before. Then skipped breakfast and had only a piece of salmon and some scrambled eggs for lunch, 2 Italian sausages for dinner with a few sips of Slimfast. Have keto in mind, minimizing sugar/carbs, heavy on the protein and fat. The colonoscopy prep has me off fiber, fruit and vegetables. After that surgery I'll add fiber and vegetables, to start.
At 5'6, my weight was 213 a couple days ago; 209 this morning. I'll be 80 in November, still active and working as a boat builder. Looking to lose weight, reduce inflammation, ease joint pain, live longer and healthier.
I took my wife to Melbourne for eye surgery and on the way back ate some truckstop chicken...fuck me!...fifteen kilometres down the road the left side of my guts locked up and screamed pain at me, made it to Mathoura sweating and shaking and twice shit everything up to my back teeth out. Went through to Deni and slept in the car for an hour and a half before making my way home...spent the next two days in pain whilst shitting yellow and pissing almost black.
Am on the mend now with being able to eat, and pissing a darkish yellow.
My fasting is done for the month, so if any feel I did it wrong or not long enough, go right ahead and do it your self!
I took my wife to Melbourne for eye surgery and on the way back ate some truckstop chicken...fuck me!...fifteen kilometres down the road the left side of my guts locked up and screamed pain at me, made it to Mathoura sweating and shaking and twice shit everything up to my back teeth out. Went through to Deni and slept in the car for an hour and a half before making my way home...spent the next two days in pain whilst shitting yellow and pissing almost black.
Am on the mend now with being able to eat, and pissing a darkish yellow.
My fasting is done for the month, so if any feel I did it wrong or not long enough, go right ahead and do it your self!
Along with Keto Diet/Intermittent Fasting+Exercise?
Three-day prolonged fasting a week works out pretty good.
Thanks KB. Down another 2 lbs this morning -- 205. Now only clear liquid diet. Colonoscopy tomorrow morning.
Are you drinking electrolytes? if not you should!
Drinking Gatorade Zero. Started on the Moviprep this evening, which also contains electrolytes. Felt considerably lightheaded today, working a very long day without eating.
You could study it enough to know but I don't really think you want to know. You just want to be right. it's hard to learn when you get old.
Why don't you explain the chronological metabolic process that allowed you to lose weight without calorie deficit ?
I will shoot a copy off to Prof. Eric Strong at Stanford and Prof. Zachery Murphy for their educated opinion on what you can teach them about your miracle claims.
Originally Posted by WMR
[. Of course, carbohydrates have been part of man’s diet for all of recorded history. Even God thought bread was fine..
Apparently divine Jesus didn't know what Clark knows; that distributing bread to thousands was killing them with that 'devil' sugar ..
Colonoscopy yesterday. 90% reduction in polyps since the last one. Been on reduced carbs since a little before the last one. Not a scientific study, but encouragement to stay the course, nonetheless.
Went to the Doc yesterday (new Doc)... Huge high praise for a starch free diet (Keto).
The main theme in their opinion was all the risks with so much processed (chemistry) in processed starch/carb/sugar.
When I started eating low carb my doctor was ambivalent about the idea. After a year and half of maintaining weight loss, HDL going from 37 to 57, triglycerides decreasing from 121 to 58 (yes eating healthy fat meat will do that), BP dropping to 120/80, and A1C going from 5.8 to 5.2 (still working on lowering LDL it has remained flat) my doctor is changing his viewpoint on this type of diet/lifestyle.
I saw him two weeks ago and he spoke to me about insulin resistance and the fact there is so much corn syrup and other sweeteners used in foods today that it is really causing widespread health issues. He also said your young body can handle the high influx of sugar but you will wear these systems down and have problems later in life. He also talked to me about muscle mass and exercise. I already knew the things he said, but it was good to hear it from an MD in person.
I have eaten only one meal a day quite often, but 24 hours is the longest fast I have done. I need to lose 10 more pounds to meet the weight requirement for an upcoming trip. I will likely keep my current diet and interment fast.
Also there is more to sustained weight loss than calories in and calories out. I never count calories, I am never hungry, so it is hard to say what my calorie intake is. Eating fat and protein is satiating, so it is easy to eat less. Eating high carb diets keeps me hungry all day and the processed/high sugar items are just not good for my body. Insulin affects people differently, people's metabolism's are different and what works for me may not work for you.
One thing is certain for me, I can live the rest of my life without a slice of bread, a candy bar, or ice cream to continue feeling the way I do right now.
I said about 20 pages back that I was through with posting on this thread, but here I am again...
Anyway, get off the couch, quit eating crap, find what works for you and your older body will thank you for it.
Thanks KB. Down another 2 lbs this morning -- 205. Now only clear liquid diet. Colonoscopy tomorrow morning.
Are you drinking electrolytes? if not you should!
Drinking Gatorade Zero. Started on the Moviprep this evening, which also contains electrolytes. Felt considerably lightheaded today, working a very long day without eating.
Hi pal,
Them store-bought electrolytes are not only low potency, but they are also very expensive and in my estimation worthless.
I posted my recipe for a really great electrolyte drink you can make at home for pennies and will end the dizziness!
Had the colonoscopy today. This was a follow-up from the one I had in January, where they were in me for half an hour, removing a very large polyp that was ascertained to be precancerous. This time they only removed 3 small ones.
Ate a huge meal, immediately afterwards, consisting of a giant cucumber, lettuce and tomato salad with yogurt dressing, plus the best chicken kabob I've ever had, a roasted tomato and a very small amount of rice and Indian bread, washed down with iced cranberry juice. God! that was good.
...I posted my recipe for a really great electrolyte drink you can make at home for pennies and will end the dizziness!
If you would like I can post it again for you?
Cheers
KB--I have not read the entire thread, so would appreciate that. thanks
Here you go pal.
I lost 65 lbs. in 3 months, I got dizzy, then I started drinking this I never got dizzy again while doing 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts.
It is called Snake Juice:
2 Liters or 8.5 cups of Natural Spring Water
1 Heaping Tsp of No Salt - Which is Potassium Chloride - Which you can buy anywhere
1 Heaping Tsp of Red Mill Baking Soda - You can use any baking soda, but Red Mill is Higher Quality
1/2 Tsp High-Quality Himalayan Salt
1/2 Tsp of Epsom Salt
ConcenTrace Trace Minerals - about 40 Drops (optional)
Strangle The Fork my friend!
Your recipe as shared is fuqked
“Tablespoon” is written “T” or “Tbs” etc. capital T always with a “B” in there
“Teaspoon” is written “tsp” with a small “t”
So which is it numbnuts?
You tell us Bright Eyes, you are the professional cook with cockroaches running all over your restaurant, or did you put a tablespoon of cyanide on the floor to kill them yet?
...I posted my recipe for a really great electrolyte drink you can make at home for pennies and will end the dizziness!
If you would like I can post it again for you?
Cheers
KB--I have not read the entire thread, so would appreciate that. thanks
Here you go pal.
I lost 65 lbs. in 3 months, I got dizzy, then I started drinking this I never got dizzy again while doing 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts.
It is called Snake Juice:
2 Liters or 8.5 cups of Natural Spring Water
1 Heaping Tsp of No Salt - Which is Potassium Chloride - Which you can buy anywhere
1 Heaping Tsp of Red Mill Baking Soda - You can use any baking soda, but Red Mill is Higher Quality
1/2 Tsp High-Quality Himalayan Salt
1/2 Tsp of Epsom Salt
ConcenTrace Trace Minerals - about 40 Drops (optional)
Strangle The Fork my friend!
Your recipe as shared is fuqked
“Tablespoon” is written “T” or “Tbs” etc. capital T always with a “B” in there
“Teaspoon” is written “tsp” with a small “t”
So which is it numbnuts?
You tell us Bright Eyes, you are the professional cook with cockroaches running all over your restaurant, or did you put a tablespoon of cyanide on the floor to kill them yet?
LMFAO
Makes me sad seeing you two not be pards no more..
...I posted my recipe for a really great electrolyte drink you can make at home for pennies and will end the dizziness!
If you would like I can post it again for you?
Cheers
KB--I have not read the entire thread, so would appreciate that. thanks
Here you go pal.
I lost 65 lbs. in 3 months, I got dizzy, then I started drinking this I never got dizzy again while doing 72, 96, and 120-hour fasts.
It is called Snake Juice:
2 Liters or 8.5 cups of Natural Spring Water
1 Heaping Tsp of No Salt - Which is Potassium Chloride - Which you can buy anywhere
1 Heaping Tsp of Red Mill Baking Soda - You can use any baking soda, but Red Mill is Higher Quality
1/2 Tsp High-Quality Himalayan Salt
1/2 Tsp of Epsom Salt
ConcenTrace Trace Minerals - about 40 Drops (optional)
Strangle The Fork my friend!
Your recipe as shared is fuqked
“Tablespoon” is written “T” or “Tbs” etc. capital T always with a “B” in there
“Teaspoon” is written “tsp” with a small “t”
So which is it numbnuts?
You tell us Bright Eyes, you are the professional cook with cockroaches running all over your restaurant, or did you put a tablespoon of cyanide on the floor to kill them yet?
LMFAO
Makes me sad seeing you two not be pards no more..
The one they reviewed wasn't the sugar free and came in 3rd, get the sugar free.
Read the packages in my photo, both are there.
Kent
I saw that. And don't want any extra sugar. Also learned that there are side effects on all these. Have to do some more research. But I see that Gatorade isn't what I want.
The one they reviewed wasn't the sugar free and came in 3rd, get the sugar free.
Read the packages in my photo, both are there.
Kent
I saw that. And don't want any extra sugar. Also learned that there are side effects on all these. Have to do some more research. But I see that Gatorade isn't what I want.
Hi Pal,
To be clear Tsp does mean Teaspoon, and make sure you use Food Grade Epsom Salt.
Simple GOOGLE Search Teaspoon: A teaspoon (abbreviated as tsp.)
You do not want any sugar while fasting or trying to lose weight.
The one they reviewed wasn't the sugar free and came in 3rd, get the sugar free.
Read the packages in my photo, both are there.
Kent
I saw that. And don't want any extra sugar. Also learned that there are side effects on all these. Have to do some more research. But I see that Gatorade isn't what I want.
Hi Pal,
To be clear Tsp does mean Teaspoon
GOOG[color:#CC0000]L[/color]E Search Teaspoon: A teaspoon (abbreviated as tsp.)
You do not want any sugar while fasting or trying to lose weight.
The one they reviewed wasn't the sugar free and came in 3rd, get the sugar free.
Read the packages in my photo, both are there.
Kent
I saw that. And don't want any extra sugar. Also learned that there are side effects on all these. Have to do some more research. But I see that Gatorade isn't what I want.
Hi Pal,
To be clear Tsp does mean Teaspoon
GOOG[color:#CC0000]L[/color]E Search Teaspoon: A teaspoon (abbreviated as tsp.)
You do not want any sugar while fasting or trying to lose weight.
Cheers, and best of luck in strangling that fork!
Numbnuts got a clue
Here is a perfect Halloween costume for you dummy.
All the servers at your restaurant should wear it too lol
The one they reviewed wasn't the sugar free and came in 3rd, get the sugar free.
Read the packages in my photo, both are there.
Kent
I saw that. And don't want any extra sugar. Also learned that there are side effects on all these. Have to do some more research. But I see that Gatorade isn't what I want.
Hi Pal,
To be clear Tsp does mean Teaspoon
GOOG[color:#CC0000]L[/color]E Search Teaspoon: A teaspoon (abbreviated as tsp.)
You do not want any sugar while fasting or trying to lose weight.
Cheers, and best of luck in strangling that fork!
Numbnuts got a clue
Here is a perfect Halloween costume for you dummy.
All the servers at your restaurant should wear it too lol
The boots are a nice addition to the ensemble
Here’s yours. But it’s not for special occasions. It’s daily wear…
I retired so I have to do a little workout type stuff now and again.
I'm over my age now in leg lifts and crunches. About up to my age most mornings in gallon jug curls while filling the bird bath and watering plants. Then some more arm/shoulder work with barbells. 30 or so squats with 20 lbs in my hands. Not to mention moving firewood, garden work, etc around here.
Not fasting other than stretching my time between eating, which is a pain with borderline hypoglycemia. No seconds at dinner, unless it's really special. "protein" breakfasts Thur and Sun, oatmeal the other days (or a bowl of Cheerios) with yogurt (real, not that non-fat stuff) and fruit. Less for lunch most days too, 3-4 servings of fruit per day usually.
Down 10+ lbs since March/April and a notable difference in strength.
Decided retirement wasn't keeping me in the shape I'd like to be in. I'm getting closer to the weight I was when I got out of college in '95. That's not the major objective, I just wanted to feel stronger.
Hey Kent! I counted this morning. Cut 445 cedar fence staves since middle of June. Not counting cedar post I’ve got cut too! They are cached all over the place. Like about 200 yds more staves to be wired into new county road fence. And then I can start cutting more and wiring them in on new middle fence. Will need about 200-250 more staves for that job. Im down 25 lbs. Been hot this summer!!!
When down with that got east and west fences on middle pasture. Another 400 staves there! 😉. Because of deer season won’t get started on that til Jan or Feb
Ya, one of the reasons I stay in the game is it keeps me in elk packing shape. That and I'm still viable.
I'm not as strong as I was 15 years ago, don't want to push it to injury.
Kent
That’s why I stay around my moose packing weight of 615lbs I drop below that I feel I’m not as strong. I also found 2 liter of mtn dew is just as good as any electrolyte on the market.
I retired so I have to do a little workout type stuff now and again.
I'm over my age now in leg lifts and crunches. About up to my age most mornings in gallon jug curls while filling the bird bath and watering plants. Then some more arm/shoulder work with barbells. 30 or so squats with 20 lbs in my hands. Not to mention moving firewood, garden work, etc around here.
Not fasting other than stretching my time between eating, which is a pain with borderline hypoglycemia. No seconds at dinner, unless it's really special. "protein" breakfasts Thur and Sun, oatmeal the other days (or a bowl of Cheerios) with yogurt (real, not that non-fat stuff) and fruit. Less for lunch most days too, 3-4 servings of fruit per day usually.
Down 10+ lbs since March/April and a notable difference in strength.
Decided retirement wasn't keeping me in the shape I'd like to be in. I'm getting closer to the weight I was when I got out of college in '95. That's not the major objective, I just wanted to feel stronger.
Why are you borderline hypoglycemic? Have you ever had your insulin resistance tested? I have no idea what causes yours but I do know that high glycemic foods can cause more insulin to be released than ideal and cause lower than normal drops. I only mention it because Cheerios would cause the same reaction as raw sugar even if no sugar is used.
Plain old hard working and heavy lifting will keep a body in shape.
You were looking good Bob.
Kent
Hard work is great, and you can eat some junk food, but it's still junk food and not healthy just because you worked while eating it. All life is a balance, just make sure you don't lie to yourself. Looks like you are having a good time. Try to at least eat healthier. It will help keep you going more years. Good luck.
Anyway I can tell you working construction in Arizona in the summer, IV works. Been using it 3 or 4 years now. Costco has the best price.
Kent
A few years ago everything around me was in a violent, roaring wildfire.
I was working as a wrangler on tge ranch next door. We scrambled to evacuate 60 horses. It was over 100 degrees out.
I think I sweated out almost all of my bodily fluids.
I came home and every muscle in my body was cramping up.
I couldn't get off the floor.
Thought I was going to have a heart attack.
Wife called 911.
I got in the back of the ambulance and they immediately administered an IV.
By the time I got off the mountain, the IV had worked like magic.
Dehydration is no joke.
I have been dehydrated many times, but only seriously, dangerously so twice in my life.
Once, getting a bull Shiras moose out. Loading it onto horses in mild heat was bad enough, but I was literally at a trot for 8 miles trying to get it out before the afternoon heat. I was so dehydrated I was starting to hallucinate. I largely stopped hunting early season after that.
The other was in Iraq. I could visibly see sweat dripping off my skin like a cracked open faucet, and I was pounding water. I hadn’t pissed in days. I started hallucinating then too.
It is dangerous as hell. I never messed with electrolyte supplements but have been researching them lately.
I got more hair than that. LOL !! You get an; A for effort, 'cause you tried. Don't give up (like life did on you) C for accuracy, Room is a little messy F for originality and creativity. Kind of like your menu.
This morning my weight bounced back up to 204.6, probably due to that huge lunch I had following the colonoscopy.
Most is water weight. Working in the heat I can fluctuate up 6lbs from morning to evening. Normal days it's 3lbs. Just check your morning and evening weights and keep the two averages.
This last week starting with the Quemado camp and then archery deer camp, I made big meals eating 3 times a day, lots of 'junk' food... and lost a net 2lbs.
This morning my weight bounced back up to 204.6, probably due to that huge lunch I had following the colonoscopy.
Most is water weight. Working in the heat I can fluctuate up 6lbs from morning to evening. Normal days it's 3lbs. Just check your morning and evening weights and keep the two averages.
Kent
I just weigh myself in the morning before dressing, just in my slippers. The fluctuations don't bother me. Just want to see steady progress, on average, so I stay motivated.
Doing very well on my diet: 2 poached eggs and 1 Italian sausage for breakfast, with a small cup of OJ and my usual supplements for breakfast; small cup of miso soup, 6 fried oysters, 1/2 a hard-boiled egg and a bunch of shredded cabbage (plus some tiny vegetable samples I can't identify) for lunch; a few thin slices of ham and turkey with hummus for dinner; plus a glass of milk. Nothing else now until breakfast.
Already see my belly going down and notice a change in my flesh. Unimportant, and it may just be my imagination but, when I shave, it seems like my whisker growth has even slowed down. WTF?
I retired so I have to do a little workout type stuff now and again.
I'm over my age now in leg lifts and crunches. About up to my age most mornings in gallon jug curls while filling the bird bath and watering plants. Then some more arm/shoulder work with barbells. 30 or so squats with 20 lbs in my hands. Not to mention moving firewood, garden work, etc around here.
Not fasting other than stretching my time between eating, which is a pain with borderline hypoglycemia. No seconds at dinner, unless it's really special. "protein" breakfasts Thur and Sun, oatmeal the other days (or a bowl of Cheerios) with yogurt (real, not that non-fat stuff) and fruit. Less for lunch most days too, 3-4 servings of fruit per day usually.
Down 10+ lbs since March/April and a notable difference in strength.
Decided retirement wasn't keeping me in the shape I'd like to be in. I'm getting closer to the weight I was when I got out of college in '95. That's not the major objective, I just wanted to feel stronger.
Why are you borderline hypoglycemic? Have you ever had your insulin resistance tested? I have no idea what causes yours but I do know that high glycemic foods can cause more insulin to be released than ideal and cause lower than normal drops. I only mention it because Cheerios would cause the same reaction as raw sugar even if no sugar is used.
Nope, never had "insulin resistance" tested. Have been like this since I was a kid. It's not the really fast/ strong drops, it's the 3-4 hours without food and I get shaky, angry, easily distracted. Worse in the AM if I don't eat within an hour, hour and a half after 6 hours or so sleep.
Doesn't seem to matter what I eat. Big mostly protein breakfast this morning.
Docs can't diagnose me as "hypoglycemic" as when I do the fasting/testing deal I am still within "their" numbers but exhibit the symptoms of their diabetic patients who don't eat after doing their insulin. My body's different than some folks I guess. Maybe 20 years or so of really heavy drinking compounded whatever I had going on as a kid?
Don't care, I've learned to deal with it. Just the retirement and aging added more weight than I like. I've just learned I have to adapt again. I can no longer eat 3 big plates of spaghetti and sauce, 3 pieces of bread, and drink all night like I did in my 20's. Now it's one normal size plate of food and I no longer drink much except water, unsweetened ice tea, and home made soda with my Soda Stream and a squeeze of lemon or some dark cherry juice.
Like Kent, if I want to eat a few Twinkies, or better yet a Danish from the new bakery in town, I'm not going to worry because I'm on some type of diet.
This morning my weight bounced back up to 204.6, probably due to that huge lunch I had following the colonoscopy.
Most is water weight. Working in the heat I can fluctuate up 6lbs from morning to evening. Normal days it's 3lbs. Just check your morning and evening weights and keep the two averages.
Kent
Wife and I have used very little salt in cooking or at the table for years. Most everything already has enough for our needs.
I can go up 2-3 pounds just going to the local Chinese or Mexican joint for lunch or dinner. Comes right off after a couple of days of normal eating again.
I remember working construction and bakeries in SoCal when younger. 5 lbs between morning and night wasn't hard to do. Then again, being in my 20's I rarely kept track.
This morning my weight bounced back up to 204.6, probably due to that huge lunch I had following the colonoscopy.
Most is water weight. Working in the heat I can fluctuate up 6lbs from morning to evening. Normal days it's 3lbs. Just check your morning and evening weights and keep the two averages.
Kent
I just weigh myself in the morning before dressing, just in my slippers. The fluctuations don't bother me. Just want to see steady progress, on average, so I stay motivated.
Doing very well on my diet: 2 poached eggs and 1 Italian sausage for breakfast, with a small cup of OJ and my usual supplements for breakfast; small cup of miso soup, 6 fried oysters, 1/2 a hard-boiled egg and a bunch of shredded cabbage (plus some tiny vegetable samples I can't identify) for lunch; a few thin slices of ham and turkey with hummus for dinner; plus a glass of milk. Nothing else now until breakfast.
Already see my belly going down and notice a change in my flesh. Unimportant, and it may just be my imagination but, when I shave, it seems like my whisker growth has even slowed down. WTF?
Good for you putting in the effort and losing weight.
I'm just commenting that daily fluctuations of pounds are water weight. As an example 3lbs of fat isn't going to be added or gone in a day. But I can drink 2 16oz bottles of water on the way home from work and gain 2lbs, probably sweated out 4 or 6lbs.
It is normal for someone starting a diet to lose 10lbs the first week or two and get excited. Most of it is water weight. Then kind of hit a wall. That's when the work starts to burning stored fat off.
I retired so I have to do a little workout type stuff now and again.
I'm over my age now in leg lifts and crunches. About up to my age most mornings in gallon jug curls while filling the bird bath and watering plants. Then some more arm/shoulder work with barbells. 30 or so squats with 20 lbs in my hands. Not to mention moving firewood, garden work, etc around here.
Not fasting other than stretching my time between eating, which is a pain with borderline hypoglycemia. No seconds at dinner, unless it's really special. "protein" breakfasts Thur and Sun, oatmeal the other days (or a bowl of Cheerios) with yogurt (real, not that non-fat stuff) and fruit. Less for lunch most days too, 3-4 servings of fruit per day usually.
Down 10+ lbs since March/April and a notable difference in strength.
Decided retirement wasn't keeping me in the shape I'd like to be in. I'm getting closer to the weight I was when I got out of college in '95. That's not the major objective, I just wanted to feel stronger.
Why are you borderline hypoglycemic? Have you ever had your insulin resistance tested? I have no idea what causes yours but I do know that high glycemic foods can cause more insulin to be released than ideal and cause lower than normal drops. I only mention it because Cheerios would cause the same reaction as raw sugar even if no sugar is used.
Nope, never had "insulin resistance" tested. Have been like this since I was a kid. It's not the really fast/ strong drops, it's the 3-4 hours without food and I get shaky, angry, easily distracted. Worse in the AM if I don't eat within an hour, hour and a half after 6 hours or so sleep.
Doesn't seem to matter what I eat. Big mostly protein breakfast this morning.
Docs can't diagnose me as "hypoglycemic" as when I do the fasting/testing deal I am still within "their" numbers but exhibit the symptoms of their diabetic patients who don't eat after doing their insulin. My body's different than some folks I guess. Maybe 20 years or so of really heavy drinking compounded whatever I had going on as a kid?
Don't care, I've learned to deal with it. Just the retirement and aging added more weight than I like. I've just learned I have to adapt again. I can no longer eat 3 big plates of spaghetti and sauce, 3 pieces of bread, and drink all night like I did in my 20's. Now it's one normal size plate of food and I no longer drink much except water, unsweetened ice tea, and home made soda with my Soda Stream and a squeeze of lemon or some dark cherry juice.
Like Kent, if I want to eat a few Twinkies, or better yet a Danish from the new bakery in town, I'm not going to worry because I'm on some type of diet.
When I first started dieting about 5 years ago, I couldn't go very long without eating. I would get weak and shaky in 3-4 hours too. I cut out all sugar, bread, rice, pasta, and potatoes, basically just eggs, meat, and greens. It was horrible when I first started. I barely had enough energy to walk across the room. I was still eating every few hours but no carbs. In a couple weeks I started fasting longer and longer between meals. Today I can go 48 hours without eating and not even get really hungry unless I sit down with everyone else eating, and I don't get weak at all. After 5 years very low carb,if I ate a couple packs of twinkies I would feel like I had just smoked my first cigarette and be super hyper a while followed by a low energy crash. I was never tested for insulin resistance, but I had the symptoms.
I've never had a problem eating or not eating, but once I start eating for day then I will be hungry at dinner time.
I've said this before, wife and I can fast all day and not eat till late morning the next... no hunger pains at all, no shaking, dizziness.
But with strenous work there is definite loss of power.
It's been suggested here to backpack hunt with just minerals or dried meat/fruit/nuts... I actually tried that years ago to reduce pack weight. It doesn't work, energy levels get low and the ability to cover country suffers.
Ever since I lowered the carbs, I have no issues with hunger pangs or sugar lows when we end up skipping lunch on the farm. When we load a truck we typically start at 6, and often it’s 2 before we’re done with the chores and the stuff that needs to get done. A lot of times I’ll finally check the time and realize it’s been 8 + hours since breakfast, and no physical indication of “having to eat”. It’s nice.
When I was still eating carbs, my body would be whining for a “hit” before noon.
This morning my weight bounced back up to 204.6, probably due to that huge lunch I had following the colonoscopy.
Most is water weight. Working in the heat I can fluctuate up 6lbs from morning to evening. Normal days it's 3lbs. Just check your morning and evening weights and keep the two averages.
Kent
I just weigh myself in the morning before dressing, just in my slippers. The fluctuations don't bother me. Just want to see steady progress, on average, so I stay motivated.
Doing very well on my diet: 2 poached eggs and 1 Italian sausage for breakfast, with a small cup of OJ and my usual supplements for breakfast; small cup of miso soup, 6 fried oysters, 1/2 a hard-boiled egg and a bunch of shredded cabbage (plus some tiny vegetable samples I can't identify) for lunch; a few thin slices of ham and turkey with hummus for dinner; plus a glass of milk. Nothing else now until breakfast.
Already see my belly going down and notice a change in my flesh. Unimportant, and it may just be my imagination but, when I shave, it seems like my whisker growth has even slowed down. WTF?
Hi pal,
When I do OMAD/24-hour fasts I do not lose weight, I do not gain weight either, just the way my metabolism is. Everyone is different.
I lose all the weight I want when I do 72 and 96-hour fasts, then I lose a minimum of 1 lb. of fat per day.
One of the great benefits of minimum 72-hour fasts is that your body will expel old, damaged immune cells and replaces them with new immune cells. So you are replacing damaged skin cells with new ones as well, which is why your skin looks better.
This Rogan interview with Dr. Rhonda Patrick discusses the topic worth a watch.
I've never had a problem eating or not eating, but once I start eating for day then I will be hungry at dinner time.
I've said this before, wife and I can fast all day and not eat till late morning the next... no hunger pains at all, no shaking, dizziness.
But with strenous work there is definite loss of power.
It's been suggested here to backpack hunt with just minerals or dried meat/fruit/nuts... I actually tried that years ago to reduce pack weight. It doesn't work, energy levels get low and the ability to cover country suffers.
There is always a balance in life.
Kent
You are absolutely right as long as you aren't in heavy ketosis. If you have already got into that stage, and it specially makes a difference if you have been in ketosis mostly for 3 months, you are completely adapted to burning your own body fat. The mitochondria in your cells actually change from carb optimized burners to fat optimized burners in 3 months.
You can have nearly unlimited energy and stamina for very long periods of time in this state, which is completely different from anyone regularly consuming carbs. You actually get an evolutionary boost to metabolism if you are in that state and fasted for a while. The theory is that the body optimizes all its functions to be more able to hunt and catch food.
If you are burning carbs, it is simply harder to sustain high energy without replenishing those carbs. It's not that one diet is necessarily superior based on carbs VS no carbs alone. It is my personal observations however that most carb burners are consuming more junk food and processed foods which can be detrimental to long term health.
I wouldn't say that healthy carbs from natural sources are bad at all, but it is easier to lose fat while in ketosis VS calorie counting IMHO.
I've never had a problem eating or not eating, but once I start eating for day then I will be hungry at dinner time.
I've said this before, wife and I can fast all day and not eat till late morning the next... no hunger pains at all, no shaking, dizziness.
But with strenous work there is definite loss of power.
It's been suggested here to backpack hunt with just minerals or dried meat/fruit/nuts... I actually tried that years ago to reduce pack weight. It doesn't work, energy levels get low and the ability to cover country suffers.
There is always a balance in life.
Kent
You are absolutely right as long as you aren't in heavy ketosis. If you have already got into that stage, and it specially makes a difference if you have been in ketosis mostly for 3 months, you are completely adapted to burning your own body fat. The mitochondria in your cells actually change from carb optimized burners to fat optimized burners in 3 months.
You can have nearly unlimited energy and stamina for very long periods of time in this state, which is completely different from anyone regularly consuming carbs. You actually get an evolutionary boost to metabolism if you are in that state and fasted for a while. The theory is that the body optimizes all its functions to be more able to hunt and catch food.
If you are burning carbs, it is simply harder to sustain high energy without replenishing those carbs. It's not that one diet is necessarily superior based on carbs VS no carbs alone. It is my personal observations however that most carb burners are consuming more junk food and processed foods which can be detrimental to long term health.
I wouldn't say that healthy carbs from natural sources are bad at all, but it is easier to lose fat while in ketosis VS calorie counting IMHO.
I think it would be very, very tough for me to keep my same physical output, intensity, and training schedule without carbs. I eat for recovery, performance, nutrition, and to maintain weight. My eating is generally focused on nutritiously rich foods but a fair amount is what might be called "empty" calories, eaten to maintain weight. Perhaps it could be done but I'm doubtful...at least doubtful that I could maintain the same weight and not have limited performance.
For someone not involved in high intensity training and not already at a fairly low % of body fat, I think there are a lot of positives to pursuing ketosis to lose weight. For others, it might be detrimental.
When I do OMAD/24-hour fasts I do not lose weight, I do not gain weight either, just the way my metabolism is. Everyone is different.
I lose all the weight I want when I do 72 and 96-hour fasts, then I lose a minimum of 1 lb. of fat per day.
One of the great benefits of minimum 72-hour fasts is that your body will expel old, damaged immune cells and replaces them with new immune cells. So you are replacing damaged skin cells with new ones as well, which is why your skin looks better.
This Rogan interview with Dr. Rhonda Patrick discusses the topic worth a watch.
I had watched most of that a couple days ago. Rogan's great.
Though I am continuing to learn and be open to new ideas on health and nutrition, my mindset that brought me to start dieting, and even into this thread, began with the feeling that I am truly blessed to, at nearly 80 years old, be healthy enough to still perform my physically demanding work as a boat builder. And to enjoy such health that, despite arthritis pain, and some serious injuries, such as a broken pelvis, I continue to be prescription-medication-free.
So I must attribute this good health, in part, to the food that has been a large part of my diet throughout my life. However, as my aging and injuries have somewhat put a damper on my activities, I must modify my eating habits in order to get my weight under control and offset the ongoing effects of aging.
To begin, eliminating most carbohydrates is already a huge departure from the norm for me. And of course so is eliminating snacking, essentially compressing my eating window into about 10 hours and fasting the rest of the time. Though I am looking forward to extending the fasting periods I first want to see what effect these other major changes have on me. Then I feel I will have a basis for comparing other techniques.
This morning my weight was just the same--204.6--down from 213 last week. Another breakfast of 1 sausage, 2 eggs and a cup of OJ to wash down my supplements which, by the way, are: 1 multi for men, 1 gram C, 125 mcg D3, 1 AREDS, 2 triple-strength Glucosimine Condroitin. I also am presently taking 1 Acetaminophen PM with 2 Naproxen Sodium for joint swelling and pain. These seem to allow me to function normally and, although some of this might seem a total waste of money, I am most reluctant to change my routine.
When I do OMAD/24-hour fasts I do not lose weight, I do not gain weight either, just the way my metabolism is. Everyone is different.
I lose all the weight I want when I do 72 and 96-hour fasts, then I lose a minimum of 1 lb. of fat per day.
One of the great benefits of minimum 72-hour fasts is that your body will expel old, damaged immune cells and replaces them with new immune cells. So you are replacing damaged skin cells with new ones as well, which is why your skin looks better.
This Rogan interview with Dr. Rhonda Patrick discusses the topic worth a watch.
I had watched most of that a couple days ago. Rogan's great.
Though I am continuing to learn and be open to new ideas on health and nutrition, my mindset that brought me to start dieting, and even into this thread, began with the feeling that I am truly blessed to, at nearly 80 years old, be healthy enough to still perform my physically demanding work as a boat builder. And to enjoy such health that, despite arthritis pain, and some serious injuries, such as a broken pelvis, I continue to be prescription-medication-free.
So I must attribute this good health, in part, to the food that has been a large part of my diet throughout my life. However, as my aging and injuries have somewhat put a damper on my activities, I must modify my eating habits in order to get my weight under control and offset the ongoing effects of aging.
To begin, eliminating most carbohydrates is already a huge departure from the norm for me. And of course so is eliminating snacking, essentially compressing my eating window into about 10 hours and fasting the rest of the time. Though I am looking forward to extending the fasting periods I first want to see what effect these other major changes have on me. Then I feel I will have a basis for comparing other techniques.
This morning my weight was just the same--204.6--down from 213 last week. Another breakfast of 1 sausage, 2 eggs and a cup of OJ to wash down my supplements which, by the way, are: 1 multi for men, 1 gram C, 125 mcg D3, 1 AREDS, 2 triple-strength Glucosimine Condroitin. I also am presently taking 1 Acetaminophen PM with 2 Naproxen Sodium for joint swelling and pain. These seem to allow me to function normally and, although some of this might seem a total waste of money, I am most reluctant to change my routine.
Hunter gatherers are a poor example of living healthy and longevity on ketosis... they were breeding at 10 and dead of old age at 35/40
The advent of agriculture was the start of extended life.
My family were rural going back many grandfathers, the country not long ago was 80% rural. Those folks ate flour/sugar/salt about every meal, they were in shape and lived well into their 80s in the 1800s and 90s from early 1900s.
Hunter gatherers are a poor example of living healthy and longevity on ketosis... they were breeding at 10 and dead of old age at 35/40
The advent of agriculture was the start of extended life.
My family were rural going back many grandfathers, the country not long ago was 80% rural. Those folks ate flour/sugar/salt about every meal, they were in shape and lived well into their 80s in the 1800s and 90s from early 1900s.
They were active because of necessity.
Kent
Whether hunter gatherers are healthy or not has nothing to do with any point I was making. I was only talking a measurable boost in metabolism you get in a fasted state when you have optimized your diet so that you don't have to eat every few hours.
That may not have been directed at me, but I'll just remind anyone that you can only be as healthy as your diet. Processed flour of today and sugar is nutritional junk. Even if you work hard enough to not get fat on it, you will not be healthy if most of your diet consists of junk. Yes, you can eat some junk and probably not die but it's not healthy just because you work hard.
I've never had a problem eating or not eating, but once I start eating for day then I will be hungry at dinner time.
I've said this before, wife and I can fast all day and not eat till late morning the next... no hunger pains at all, no shaking, dizziness.
But with strenous work there is definite loss of power.
It's been suggested here to backpack hunt with just minerals or dried meat/fruit/nuts... I actually tried that years ago to reduce pack weight. It doesn't work, energy levels get low and the ability to cover country suffers.
There is always a balance in life.
Kent
You are absolutely right as long as you aren't in heavy ketosis. If you have already got into that stage, and it specially makes a difference if you have been in ketosis mostly for 3 months, you are completely adapted to burning your own body fat. The mitochondria in your cells actually change from carb optimized burners to fat optimized burners in 3 months.
You can have nearly unlimited energy and stamina for very long periods of time in this state, which is completely different from anyone regularly consuming carbs. You actually get an evolutionary boost to metabolism if you are in that state and fasted for a while. The theory is that the body optimizes all its functions to be more able to hunt and catch food.
If you are burning carbs, it is simply harder to sustain high energy without replenishing those carbs. It's not that one diet is necessarily superior based on carbs VS no carbs alone. It is my personal observations however that most carb burners are consuming more junk food and processed foods which can be detrimental to long term health.
I wouldn't say that healthy carbs from natural sources are bad at all, but it is easier to lose fat while in ketosis VS calorie counting IMHO.
I think it would be very, very tough for me to keep my same physical output, intensity, and training schedule without carbs. I eat for recovery, performance, nutrition, and to maintain weight. My eating is generally focused on nutritiously rich foods but a fair amount is what might be called "empty" calories, eaten to maintain weight. Perhaps it could be done but I'm doubtful...at least doubtful that I could maintain the same weight and not have limited performance.
For someone not involved in high intensity training and not already at a fairly low % of body fat, I think there are a lot of positives to pursuing ketosis to lose weight. For others, it might be detrimental.
You couldn't operate well without carbs until you were in full ketosis and fat burning adapted. The only reason to cut carbs would be to drop weight or reverse insulin insensitivity. I'm not against healthy whole food natrual source carbs. For most people however carbs mean processed junk food that anyone should should know is unhealthy.
Hunter gatherers are a poor example of living healthy and longevity on ketosis... they were breeding at 10 and dead of old age at 35/40
The advent of agriculture was the start of extended life.
My family were rural going back many grandfathers, the country not long ago was 80% rural. Those folks ate flour/sugar/salt about every meal, they were in shape and lived well into their 80s in the 1800s and 90s from early 1900s.
They were active because of necessity.
Kent
Whether hunter gatherers are healthy or not has nothing to do with any point I was making. I was only talking a measurable boost in metabolism you get in a fasted state when you have optimized your diet so that you don't have to eat every few hours.
That may not have been directed at me, but I'll just remind anyone that you can only be as healthy as your diet. Processed flour of today and sugar is nutritional junk. Even if you work hard enough to not get fat on it, you will not be healthy if most of your diet consists of junk. Yes, you can eat some junk and probably not die but it's not healthy just because you work hard.
Hmmm... being in ketosis is fine for losing weight and low intensity activity like yoga, bike riding, handball... I know in your research you've read or heard this. It's not fine for high intensity activity, leads to exhaustion sooner... also found in studies. Many of the studies include ketone supplements in athletes which is different than just a keto diet.
Being in a fasted state is not optimal for intense activity.
As far as sugar, it's an energy source, broken down through the intestines and absorbed in the bloodstream, the liver delivers it as energy to be used.
Here's an example of quick internet search...
Cellular Respiration Your liver helps to regulate the amount of glucose in your blood and provides a continuous supply to meet your energy needs. When your cells require energy, they absorb glucose from your bloodstream and break it into two molecules of pyruvate, which then transfer into the mitochondria – the "furnaces" in your cells – where pyruvate converts to acetyl-CoA. Within the mitochondria, acetyl-CoA underoes processing via two metabolic pathways – the citric acid cycle and the electron transport chain. This yields adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, the source of energy for all metabolic processes. This oxidative metabolism of one glucose molecule yields 36 molecules of ATP, according to Dr. Michael Gregory at State University of New York.
Storage Depots If your sugar consumption exceeds your body's immediate energy needs, glucose converts to glycogen and becomes stored in your liver and muscles. Once these organs reach their capacity to store glycogen, excess glucose first converts to fatty acids and then to triglycerides, which become stored in your adipose tissue. When the glucose from your diet does not meet the energy needs of your cells – during fasting or exercise, for example – your body can quickly break down glycogen to produce glucose. Similarly, triglycerides break down into fatty acids and then to acetyl-CoA, which enters your mitochondria for "burning."
So common sense is that sugar can be eaten and used immediately as an energy source when needed... burnt off... or can be eaten in a quantity that can be used plus stored in the liver and muscles as extra energy when needed...
Or eaten to the extent that it's stored as fat... fatter... fattest...
Carbs may be a slower process but basically the same thing.
Yes, I can burn off a chitload of sugar and carbs with intense activity, well before it can be stored as fat.
Nobody lives the exact same day over and over, there is a balance in eating and activity that varies. Eating zero sugar and carbs may be right for some people and not right for others. Diagnosing everyone based on what damage you've done to yourself, and research minus personal experience is incorrect.
Hunter gatherers are a poor example of living healthy and longevity on ketosis... they were breeding at 10 and dead of old age at 35/40
The advent of agriculture was the start of extended life.
My family were rural going back many grandfathers, the country not long ago was 80% rural. Those folks ate flour/sugar/salt about every meal, they were in shape and lived well into their 80s in the 1800s and 90s from early 1900s.
They were active because of necessity.
Kent
Whether hunter gatherers are healthy or not has nothing to do with any point I was making. I was only talking a measurable boost in metabolism you get in a fasted state when you have optimized your diet so that you don't have to eat every few hours.
That may not have been directed at me, but I'll just remind anyone that you can only be as healthy as your diet. Processed flour of today and sugar is nutritional junk. Even if you work hard enough to not get fat on it, you will not be healthy if most of your diet consists of junk. Yes, you can eat some junk and probably not die but it's not healthy just because you work hard.
Hmmm... being in ketosis is fine for losing weight and low intensity activity like yoga, bike riding, handball... I know in your research you've read or heard this. It's not fine for high intensity activity, leads to exhaustion sooner... also found in studies. Many of the studies include ketone supplements in athletes which is different than just a keto diet. t
It's interesting to note that there are a metric sh*t-ton of recovery concoctions for muscle recovery after a hard workout.
They contain all manner of supplements but the two common denominators for all of them are protein and sugars.
And before someone starts yelling... INSULIN SPIKE... how do you control insulin spikes?... moderate to heavy exercise. That insulin spike is an energy spike, which is the idea of eating a 3 musketeers while packing an elk out.
And before someone starts yelling... INSULIN SPIKE... how do you control insulin spikes?... moderate to heavy exercise. That insulin spike is an energy spike, which is the idea of eating a 3 musketeers while packing an elk out.
Kent
You are just as WRONG as anyone can be. You equate sugar to energy and that is just not correct. You don't just get fueled up from sugar and it's great as long as you don't eat more than you burn.
It is a fuel source the body can use but it's about as fugging healthy as a fuel source as alcohol. It causes fatty liver disease just like alcohol , even in skinny people. Hell, you can look it up but it's your lie tell it the way you want.
And before someone starts yelling... INSULIN SPIKE... how do you control insulin spikes?... moderate to heavy exercise. That insulin spike is an energy spike, which is the idea of eating a 3 musketeers while packing an elk out.
Kent
You are just as WRONG as anyone can be. You equate sugar to energy and that is just not correct. You don't just get fueled up from sugar and it's great as long as you don't eat more than you burn.
It is a fuel source the body can use but it's about as fugging healthy as a fuel source as alcohol. It causes fatty liver disease just like alcohol , even in skinny people. Hell, you can look it up but it's your lie tell it the way you want.
Ok Dr Clark...
Harvard Health report...
There's a fair amount of guesswork to the estimates, but perhaps as many as 20% of American adults have some degree of fatty liver disease, a condition that used to occur almost exclusively in people who drink excessively. The epidemics of obesity and diabetes are to blame. Fatty liver affects between 70% and 90% of people with those conditions, so as obesity and diabetes have become more common, so has fatty liver disease.
Fatty liver disease isn't confined to any one group, and there doesn't seem to be pronounced gender differences, but studies suggest that Latinos are disproportionately affected. It's primarily a condition of middle age, although children may get it, too. Fatty liver disease is rapidly becoming more common in Asia, and some research suggests that men in India may be especially susceptible.
So as many as 20% have some degree, that includes heavy drinkers and morbidly obese... yet you talk in absolutes.
I'm sorry you damaged your body to the point you may never recover no matter how skinny you get. Zero tolerance may be your only choice. You may never get to my health level again.
I had ribs showing until I was 40 in 1991. The wife had ribs showing until she was 50 in 2006. We got fat.
In 2015 we lowered our carbs. The wife and I both lost 40 pounds. 8 years later we are still 120 and 155 pounds.
I feel like I should be handing out leaflets on the corner for the low carb diet.
Nothing wrong with a low carb diet for everyday living and most people of today. That includes eating less than 3 meals a day. Fasting a full day or more occasionally.
But zero tolerance is fanatical, by very definition.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
Not a bad idea per se, but just like with how this thread proves, folks would be convinced the result of that health score is either right or completely BS, depending on which diet/nutritional approach they preach.
We’d be right back at square one and there’d be a thread about it here with both ‘sides’ preaching how right they are (and healthy) and how the other side is just a bunch of YouTube warriors that have no clue what they’re talking about.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
Not a bad idea per se, but just like with how this thread proves, folks would be convinced the result of that health score is either right or completely BS, depending on which diet/nutritional approach they preach.
We’d be right back at square one and there’d be a thread about it here with both ‘sides’ preaching how right they are (and healthy) and how the other side is just a bunch of YouTube warriors that have no clue what they’re talking about.
The world will keep turning…
This idea was not intended for the small group of nutrition aficionados, who have done the research and already have started taking steps to improve their diet, but rather the general public whose basic knowledge of nutrition is lacking. Our population is getting more and more obese and unhealthy. Some small effort could change the trajectory of that trend.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
This would be impossible since you’d have to know how much of each was to be consumed per person and what other foods would be eaten, and in what quantities. The personal health issues of the individual would matter too. It’s easy to get tunnel vision based on one’s own experiences, but there’s often more than one way to reach a goal. Perfectly good food for one person might be poison to another. Well OK, Moon Pies are always junk food. 🤔
And before someone starts yelling... INSULIN SPIKE... how do you control insulin spikes?... moderate to heavy exercise. That insulin spike is an energy spike, which is the idea of eating a 3 musketeers while packing an elk out.
Kent
You are just as WRONG as anyone can be. You equate sugar to energy and that is just not correct. You don't just get fueled up from sugar and it's great as long as you don't eat more than you burn.
It is a fuel source the body can use but it's about as fugging healthy as a fuel source as alcohol. It causes fatty liver disease just like alcohol , even in skinny people. Hell, you can look it up but it's your lie tell it the way you want.
Ok Dr Clark...
Harvard Health report...
There's a fair amount of guesswork to the estimates, but perhaps as many as 20% of American adults have some degree of fatty liver disease, a condition that used to occur almost exclusively in people who drink excessively. The epidemics of obesity and diabetes are to blame. Fatty liver affects between 70% and 90% of people with those conditions, so as obesity and diabetes have become more common, so has fatty liver disease.
Fatty liver disease isn't confined to any one group, and there doesn't seem to be pronounced gender differences, but studies suggest that Latinos are disproportionately affected. It's primarily a condition of middle age, although children may get it, too. Fatty liver disease is rapidly becoming more common in Asia, and some research suggests that men in India may be especially susceptible.
So as many as 20% have some degree, that includes heavy drinkers and morbidly obese... yet you talk in absolutes.
I'm sorry you damaged your body to the point you may never recover no matter how skinny you get. Zero tolerance may be your only choice. You may never get to my health level again.
It's pretty safe to say I'm not in that 20%.
Kent
I'm not talking in absolutes at all. Several times I've said some small amount of sugar may not hurt anybody. What I object to is your speaking about sugar as if you were consuming the perfect human fuel.
I hope you are healthy. I don't tknow why you would say I had damaged my body beyond repair except that it's all tied into your ego. That's why you insist that your candy bars are like health food. You have too much ego to actually evaluate your diet
Originally Posted by krp
Originally Posted by RHClark
Originally Posted by krp
And before someone starts yelling... INSULIN SPIKE... how do you control insulin spikes?... moderate to heavy exercise. That insulin spike is an energy spike, which is the idea of eating a 3 musketeers while packing an elk out.
Kent
You are just as WRONG as anyone can be. You equate sugar to energy and that is just not correct. You don't just get fueled up from sugar and it's great as long as you don't eat more than you burn.
It is a fuel source the body can use but it's about as fugging healthy as a fuel source as alcohol. It causes fatty liver disease just like alcohol , even in skinny people. Hell, you can look it up but it's your lie tell it the way you want.
Ok Dr Clark...
Harvard Health report...
There's a fair amount of guesswork to the estimates, but perhaps as many as 20% of American adults have some degree of fatty liver disease, a condition that used to occur almost exclusively in people who drink excessively. The epidemics of obesity and diabetes are to blame. Fatty liver affects between 70% and 90% of people with those conditions, so as obesity and diabetes have become more common, so has fatty liver disease.
Fatty liver disease isn't confined to any one group, and there doesn't seem to be pronounced gender differences, but studies suggest that Latinos are disproportionately affected. It's primarily a condition of middle age, although children may get it, too. Fatty liver disease is rapidly becoming more common in Asia, and some research suggests that men in India may be especially susceptible.
So as many as 20% have some degree, that includes heavy drinkers and morbidly obese... yet you talk in absolutes.
I'm sorry you damaged your body to the point you may never recover no matter how skinny you get. Zero tolerance may be your only choice. You may never get to my health level again.
It's pretty safe to say I'm not in that 20%.
Kent
I bet you are in that 20 % if you need 2 candy bars every day to keep going. Keep lying to yourself though, you have too much ego to do anything else. I do wish you the best though and suggest you get your insulin resistance tested. I bet you are already pre diabetic.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
Dr Clark, you started the thread like this, your words...
This one won't restrict what you eat, just when
A fasting protocol can benefit regardless of the amount or type of the food consumed within a specific feeding window each day.
I started the thread because there is very sound scientific evidence for a wide variety of health benefits gained by maintaining a very specific timed feeding schedule each day. That is regardless of how many calories ingested or in what form. It has benefits in weight loss for overweight individuals, but it even increases performance in elite athletes. It improves many different bio markers simply by not consuming any calories for a specific time every day. It's all about the time without calories. That's it.
.........
But your philosophy has changed over the course of the thread obviously.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
This would be impossible since you’d have to know how much of each was to be consumed per person and what other foods would be eaten, and in what quantities. The personal health issues of the individual would matter too...
If your cart contains only a case of beer and a 5# box of Cheezits, you lose points. Not impossible.
Your shopping cart photo reminded me of an idea I had. The supermarket's computer has access to all kinds of information about what is in the scanned items in your basket. I thought it would be so easy for it to, besides printing out a bunch of mostly useless coupons, provide a "health score", some index of how much healthy nutrition you got. Perhaps per dollar spent. Just an idea to wake up the consumer and encourage better eating habits.
This would be impossible since you’d have to know how much of each was to be consumed per person and what other foods would be eaten, and in what quantities. The personal health issues of the individual would matter too...
If your cart contains only a case of beer and a 5# box of Cheezits, you lose points. Not impossible.
Sure, because each case would be that clear cut. Would it matter if that cart were seen on Super Bowl Sunday, or maybe New Years Eve? How would the algorithm read then? Actually, I’ve thought that EBT cards could be programmed to disallow certain junk foods. We do live in a free country, but nobody says taxpayers have to fund the madness.
204.8 this morning. Fasted until noon from yesterday's 6:00 pm dinner.
Originally Posted by WMR
...I’ve thought that EBT cards could be programmed to disallow certain junk foods. We do live in a free country, but nobody says taxpayers have to fund the madness.
That is a slippery slope. I'm thinking more along the lines of educating. We all should remain free to make our own choices on what we put into our bodies and how we spend our money, regardless of its source.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
What's the problem? That's a 40 lb a year pace, pretty darn good in my book.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
What's the problem? That's a 40 lb a year pace, pretty darn good in my book.
It is the correct pace...the bullshit artists losing ten lbs each week are lying through their teeth.
Ever seen the saggy skin on those that lose too quickly.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
It's the fruit and whatever you are drinking. What vegetables? If potatoes are in there ditch them. What meat? If you are eating bologna, hot dogs, and crap like that ditch it and eat real meat.
Then you have to be really honest about what "haven't ate anything" means cause for most people it just means "haven't ate as much."
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
What's the problem? That's a 40 lb a year pace, pretty darn good in my book.
Yea, 4 lbs. ain't bad. It took me 2 years to drop 160-180lbs. I was radical on no carbs or sugar though and exercised nearly every day, as in 360 days that second year.
Tip Weigh every day but don't freak by 2-5 lb. fluctuations, even day to day. What you want to track is the general trend over 7-10 days. If you are down more than up you are trending down in weight and doing good. If the trend is gaining you need to change your game plan a little and get it going down. That's why you weigh every day. That way you can correct things that need correcting sooner.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
Quality food - is not the answer.
Actual human food is.
Cut out any vegetables that you can't eat raw, and consider fruit seasonal, so don't eat that, either.
What's left are eggs/meat/butter/olives/avocado/bank vegetables (Green Cabbage/Brussels's Sprouts/Scallions/etc.)
In which case, with a Net Carb count less than 20 g./day, and exercise, your body will become human.
I just finished 5 weeks of a very low (20g) carb diet. Weight went down 20lb (240 to 220) but I really didn’t feel very good on it. I did fast 16 hrs of each day as well. I noticed less energy for vigorous exercise. I theorize this may be due to lack of glycogen stores, but have no proof of this. Hunger wasn’t really an issue. In any case, I just bumped my carb intake up to 50g, so we’ll see. I’ve got a few hunting trips coming up and will likely eat more carbs there, as I don’t control the menu. I’d still like to get down another 10-15 over the next year. Time will tell, I guess.
FWIW, I’d previously dropped 50lb eating a low fat diet and it stayed pretty much off. I talk to folks frequently who’ve done well with Weight Watchers and other plans. I’m not after 5% body fat or six pack abs. I’d just like to remain functional as I age.
I just finished 5 weeks of a very low (20g) carb diet. Weight went down 20lb (240 to 220) but I really didn’t feel very good on it. I did fast 16 hrs of each day as well. I noticed less energy for vigorous exercise. I theorize this may be due to lack of glycogen stores, but have no proof of this. Hunger wasn’t really an issue. In any case, I just bumped my carb intake up to 50g, so we’ll see. I’ve got a few hunting trips coming up and will likely eat more carbs there, as I don’t control the menu. I’d still like to get down another 10-15 over the next year. Time will tell, I guess.
FWIW, I’d previously dropped 50lb eating a low fat diet and it stayed pretty much off. I talk to folks frequently who’ve done well with Weight Watchers and other plans. I’m not after 5% body fat or six pack abs. I’d just like to remain functional as I age.
The key to energy - is exercise.
Zone 2 Aerobic exercise most days will burn fat and improve heart/lung function, as well as mitochondrial energy production in the muscle.
Heavy lift Anaerobic exercise a coupla days a week will improve strength and, through lactic acid etching, build muscle mass.
Add a coupla days fasting because that is also natural, and is very good for systems repair and maintenance.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
Quality food - is not the answer.
Actual human food is.
Cut out any vegetables that you can't eat raw, and consider fruit seasonal, so don't eat that, either.
What's left are eggs/meat/butter/olives/avocado/bank vegetables (Green Cabbage/Brussels's Sprouts/Scallions/etc.)
In which case, with a Net Carb count less than 20 g./day, and exercise, your body will become human.
GR
I'm pretty human and won't ever count carbs. I have one life to live and eating good food is something I enjoy. My family is normal, doesn't get sick and we have no plans on making any drastic changes to our diet. I like the outlook of loosing 3 - 4 pounds a month. Never gave any thought about yearly weight loss total, I can do that.
I just finished 5 weeks of a very low (20g) carb diet. Weight went down 20lb (240 to 220) but I really didn’t feel very good on it. I did fast 16 hrs of each day as well. I noticed less energy for vigorous exercise. I theorize this may be due to lack of glycogen stores, but have no proof of this. Hunger wasn’t really an issue. In any case, I just bumped my carb intake up to 50g, so we’ll see. I’ve got a few hunting trips coming up and will likely eat more carbs there, as I don’t control the menu. I’d still like to get down another 10-15 over the next year. Time will tell, I guess.
FWIW, I’d previously dropped 50lb eating a low fat diet and it stayed pretty much off. I talk to folks frequently who’ve done well with Weight Watchers and other plans. I’m not after 5% body fat or six pack abs. I’d just like to remain functional as I age.
When I dropped carbs, it took longer than 5 week to get my body switched around. I never went all the way down to 20 net carbs a day -- my main goal wasn't weight loss, it was health and endurance. I'm guessing I'm around 50 or so net carbs, all of it from things like blueberries, cheese and yoghurt. No empty carbs. Not sure how long it took, but after several months, I was stronger and had more endurance than 20 years earlier in my mid 30's. To this day, in my late 50's, I can keep up with any of the 20 and 30 somethings on the farm -- much to their chagrin.
It takes time for your body to un-program a lifetime of rhythms and inputs. If it were me, I'd relax into a reasonable low carb, natural food diet with a consistent 8 hr eating window and settle in for the long haul.
I can't seem to loose any weight, apparently I just like eating to much. Haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit for a month. Lost maybe 3 - 4lbs.
Quality food - is not the answer.
Actual human food is.
Cut out any vegetables that you can't eat raw, and consider fruit seasonal, so don't eat that, either.
What's left are eggs/meat/butter/olives/avocado/bank vegetables (Green Cabbage/Brussels's Sprouts/Scallions/etc.)
In which case, with a Net Carb count less than 20 g./day, and exercise, your body will become human.
GR
I'm pretty human and won't ever count carbs. I have one life to live and eating good food is something I enjoy. My family is normal, doesn't get sick and we have no plans on making any drastic changes to our diet. I like the outlook of loosing 3 - 4 pounds a month. Never gave any thought about yearly weight loss total, I can do that.
"There's more than one way to skin a cat... and the cat won't like any of'em."
But Keto+Fasting+Exercise is by far the fastest and easiest, because it is simply human.
Affinity to food, especially sugar, is both a psychological and physiological psychosis.
Who dreams of, and takes pictures of themselves, fillin' up the truck with diesel, or changing the oil.
Up to 206.2 this morning. Had a banana, 5 small breakfast sausages, 2 eggs scrambled with 2 mushrooms, plus a cup of OJ for breakfast. A hamburger patty, 1 peach and a small amount of hummus for lunch.
I just finished 5 weeks of a very low (20g) carb diet. Weight went down 20lb (240 to 220) but I really didn’t feel very good on it. I did fast 16 hrs of each day as well. I noticed less energy for vigorous exercise. I theorize this may be due to lack of glycogen stores, but have no proof of this. Hunger wasn’t really an issue. In any case, I just bumped my carb intake up to 50g, so we’ll see. I’ve got a few hunting trips coming up and will likely eat more carbs there, as I don’t control the menu. I’d still like to get down another 10-15 over the next year. Time will tell, I guess.
FWIW, I’d previously dropped 50lb eating a low fat diet and it stayed pretty much off. I talk to folks frequently who’ve done well with Weight Watchers and other plans. I’m not after 5% body fat or six pack abs. I’d just like to remain functional as I age.
When I dropped carbs, it took longer than 5 week to get my body switched around. I never went all the way down to 20 net carbs a day -- my main goal wasn't weight loss, it was health and endurance. I'm guessing I'm around 50 or so net carbs, all of it from things like blueberries, cheese and yoghurt. No empty carbs. Not sure how long it took, but after several months, I was stronger and had more endurance than 20 years earlier in my mid 30's. To this day, in my late 50's, I can keep up with any of the 20 and 30 somethings on the farm -- much to their chagrin.
It takes time for your body to un-program a lifetime of rhythms and inputs. If it were me, I'd relax into a reasonable low carb, natural food diet with a consistent 8 hr eating window and settle in for the long haul.
That’s my general idea. Even a maintenance plan of 50-100gm carbs is far lower than a traditional American diet. My B/P, lipids and glucose levels are all good. My job is not physical, but I’m pretty reliable for exercise. I’m just trying to remain able & active as I approach my later years. My body weight is near my HS/College level now. Sadly, they’re not the same pounds! 😳. Good on you for showing the kids a thing or two!
As someone who has been diagnosed with cancer three different times in the last 5 yrs. weight lose or management is not an issue. I am 6' and 100kg and intend to stay that way any lose of weight is more concerning then desirable............. Youtube Dr's aside , live , eat and enjoy your time here, life is too short to worry about what others think you should look like.
As someone who has been diagnosed with cancer three different times in the last 5 yrs. weight lose or management is not an issue. I am 6' and 100kg and intend to stay that way any lose of weight is more concerning then desirable............. Youtube Dr's aside , live , eat and enjoy your time here, life is too short to worry about what others think you should look like.
Prayers are sent your way, hope everything works out great for you!
Fasted for 19 hours. Lunch at 1:00 pm consisted of a small Italian salad with extra olive oil, plus a small slice of turkey breast. Then a peach and a Code Keto bar for mid-afternoon snack. Could have fasted longer, but had a lunch meeting with a client. But got hungry mid-afternoon.
I'm on a mission. It has been far easier than I'd expected to willfully change my eating habits. First by modifying the types of foods that I allow. Second by completely eliminating evening snacking, and even rolling that into morning fasting, compressing my eating window into fewer hours.
Decades ago I quit smoking, cold turkey. Just decided I was worth saving, and that I could never have another puff. Did the same with coffee, decades ago, because it was exacerbating my arthritis suffering. Though I'll have a decaf latte on rare occasions. 4 or 5 years ago I gave up alcohol, and have been sober ever since. It has made me a better man.
We all have the ability, but the addiction makes us feel weak and unable.
I'm 6'2" I was in the best shape of my life at 240lbs when I was young. Spent many years training in the gym to have that.
In my later years at 62 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life now. I fluctuate between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I feel great. I get looked at by women a lot younger than me. Yeah it feels good. I was absolutely miserable being fat. I'm not pushing my lifestyle on anyone, but I can't understand anyone that gets upset over people that have won the battle of the bulge and is simply offering advice. Everything in your life is better when you are in shape.
I'm 6'2" I was in the best shape of my life at 240lbs when I was young. Spent many years training in the gym to have that.
In my later years at 62 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life now. I fluctuate between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I feel great. I get looked at by women a lot younger than me. Yeah it feels good. I was absolutely miserable being fat. I'm not pushing my lifestyle on anyone, but I can't understand anyone that gets upset over people that have won the battle of the bulge and is simply offering advice. Everything in your life is better when you are in shape.
Simple answer Salmonella, it's because they are MORONS! LOL
I'm 6'2" I was in the best shape of my life at 240lbs when I was young. Spent many years training in the gym to have that.
In my later years at 62 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life now. I fluctuate between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I feel great. I get looked at by women a lot younger than me. Yeah it feels good. I was absolutely miserable being fat. I'm not pushing my lifestyle on anyone, but I can't understand anyone that gets upset over people that have won the battle of the bulge and is simply offering advice. Everything in your life is better when you are in shape.
Above is one of the better posts in this 130 page mess of a thread.
Fasting and low carb has worked for me, and now I can say long term. Even though I was not morbidly obese, an extra 30 plus pounds started slowing me down as I neared 60.
There is an epidemic of obesity and metabolic disease in this country that can be easily fixed with diet and a little exercise.
Find what works for you, your older body will thank you.
I'm 6'2" I was in the best shape of my life at 240lbs when I was young. Spent many years training in the gym to have that.
In my later years at 62 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life now. I fluctuate between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I feel great. I get looked at by women a lot younger than me. Yeah it feels good. I was absolutely miserable being fat. I'm not pushing my lifestyle on anyone, but I can't understand anyone that gets upset over people that have won the battle of the bulge and is simply offering advice. Everything in your life is better when you are in shape.
Above is one of the better posts in this 130 page mess of a thread.
Fasting and low carb has worked for me, and now I can say long term. Even though I was not morbidly obese, an extra 30 plus pounds started slowing me down as I neared 60.
There is an epidemic of obesity and metabolic disease in this country that can be easily fixed with diet and a little exercise.
Find what works for you, your older body will thank you.
Life is much better when you are healthy.
It only became a mess when the morons got involved.
Still trying to figure out what pictures of dogs & dishes have anything to do with the topic of losing weight in a quick healthy manner. One of life's little mysteries I am guessing hahaha.
Fasting and low carb works in many ways. It's easier to lose fat if in ketosis. It's easier to lose fat if you fast and thus don't eat as much, plus there are added metabolic benefits of fasting. Low carb works well with fasting because good quality low carb foods will provide even blood sugar over time and keep you going without hunger longer than high carb foods.
You can lose weight lots of ways but this is the one that worked for me after 40 years of being fat I am not any more.
I'm 6'2 55 years old and 185 lbs. This morning. At age 50 I was between 360-380 lbs.
Just trying to encourage anyone who might think they are too old and too fat to do anything about it. It's never too late to feel better than you do now.
...Just trying to encourage anyone who might think they are too old and too fat to do anything about it. It's never too late to feel better than you do now.
I'm 6'2" I was in the best shape of my life at 240lbs when I was young. Spent many years training in the gym to have that.
In my later years at 62 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life now. I fluctuate between 193 and 200. I weigh myself every day and eat accordingly. I feel great. I get looked at by women a lot younger than me. Yeah it feels good. I was absolutely miserable being fat. I'm not pushing my lifestyle on anyone, but I can't understand anyone that gets upset over people that have won the battle of the bulge and is simply offering advice. Everything in your life is better when you are in shape.
Never happened , you're fat, old and feel like crap !! Campfire says so !!!
This is been hashed, smashed, and rehashed so many fuqking times.
Of course nearly eliminating ANY of the three macronutrients will cause Weight loss if the calorie reduction is enough to put you in deficit
Dietary Protein is a necessity
Dietary Carbohydrate is a necessity
Dietary Fat is unnecessary
The amount of dietary fat needed to obtain critical fat soluble vitamins is about 1 Tbs daily, and you’ll get it by accident even if trying to completely eliminate fat from your diet
This is been hashed, smashed, and rehashed so many fuqking times.
Of course nearly eliminating ANY of the three macronutrients will cause Weight loss if the calorie reduction is enough to put you in deficit
Dietary Protein is a necessity
Dietary Carbohydrate is a necessity
Dietary Fat is unnecessary
The amount of dietary fat needed to obtain critical fat soluble vitamins is about 1 Tbs daily, and you’ll get it by accident even if trying to completely eliminate fat from your diet
Eliminating dietary carbohydrate is unhealthy
Eliminating dietary fat is healthy
Period.
The ‘90’s called, they want their food pyramid back.
This is been hashed, smashed, and rehashed so many fuqking times.
Of course nearly eliminating ANY of the three macronutrients will cause Weight loss if the calorie reduction is enough to put you in deficit
Dietary Protein is a necessity
Dietary Carbohydrate is a necessity
Dietary Fat is unnecessary
The amount of dietary fat needed to obtain critical fat soluble vitamins is about 1 Tbs daily, and you’ll get it by accident even if trying to completely eliminate fat from your diet
Eliminating dietary carbohydrate is unhealthy
Eliminating dietary fat is healthy
Period.
Rick,
I think you have it wrong on the fat.
Fat is absolutely necessary for good health. You cannot live without it. Even conservative estimates are nearly 100 grams per day.
You can live a good healthy life on very low carbs.
It is obvious I will not change your mind, nor you mine.
We will check with each other in about 30 years and see which way of living has worked better.
Stay healthy, if you are down this way I will grill you and Rick a big steak with a side of fatty brisket!!
Fasting and low carb works in many ways. It's easier to lose fat if in ketosis. It's easier to lose fat if you fast and thus don't eat as much, plus there are added metabolic benefits of fasting. Low carb works well with fasting because good quality low carb foods will provide even blood sugar over time and keep you going without hunger longer than high carb foods.
You can lose weight lots of ways but this is the one that worked for me after 40 years of being fat I am not any more.
I'm 6'2 55 years old and 185 lbs. This morning. At age 50 I was between 360-380 lbs.
Just trying to encourage anyone who might think they are too old and too fat to do anything about it. It's never too late to feel better than you do now.
No one is arguing this, or with Sal or Pal or the others that have put in the effort improving themselves. If you would have stayed on this path instead of your needle pointing to GR's bullchit and getting upset with us over calling him on it, this thread would have been more beneficial.
This is been hashed, smashed, and rehashed so many fuqking times.
Of course nearly eliminating ANY of the three macronutrients will cause Weight loss if the calorie reduction is enough to put you in deficit
Dietary Protein is a necessity
Dietary Carbohydrate is a necessity
Dietary Fat is unnecessary
The amount of dietary fat needed to obtain critical fat soluble vitamins is about 1 Tbs daily, and you’ll get it by accident even if trying to completely eliminate fat from your diet
Eliminating dietary carbohydrate is unhealthy
Eliminating dietary fat is healthy
Period.
Rick,
I think you have it wrong on the fat.
Fat is absolutely necessary for good health. You cannot live without it. Even conservative estimates are nearly 100 grams per day.
You can live a good healthy life on very low carbs.
It is obvious I will not change your mind, nor you mine.
We will check with each other in about 30 years and see which way of living has worked better.
Stay healthy, if you are down this way I will grill you and Rick a big steak with a side of fatty brisket!!
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
My word! Posting part of some unidentified textbook without context or explanation! That might be an all time Campfire low. And I’m in 63% agreement with your general argument. 🫤
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
Citing the case of an Olympic athlete in a discussion such as this? Really? I swear, this discussion gets more ridiculous each day; and already today it seems like tomorrow. 😳
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
So, you are advocating a [bleep] diet to get healthy. I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs. You can't be healthy for long without a healthy diet. That should just be common sense. Anyone taking care of animals knows that much.
I know I've outworked, or out exercised a crappy diet in the past. I'll agree that it's fairly hard to do for most people mostly for the simple fact that a huge chunk of the population is mentally incapable of pushing themselves hard.
I know I've outworked, or out exercised a crappy diet in the past. I'll agree that it's fairly hard to do for most people mostly for the simple fact that a huge chunk of the population is mentally incapable of pushing themselves hard.
What you mean is that you worked hard enough not to get fat on a crappy diet. That doesn't mean you wouldn't be healthier with a better diet. Health problems happen to skinny hard-working people too and most of it could have been avoided by a healthy diet.
Didn’t you just post that most people need a minimum of 15-20% fat in their diet????? This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. And please fess up, what book are you posting from?
I know I've outworked, or out exercised a crappy diet in the past. I'll agree that it's fairly hard to do for most people mostly for the simple fact that a huge chunk of the population is mentally incapable of pushing themselves hard.
What you mean is that you worked hard enough not to get fat on a crappy diet. That doesn't mean you wouldn't be healthier with a better diet. Health problems happen to skinny hard-working people too and most of it could have been avoided by a healthy diet.
Did I imply or otherwise state that I was as healthy as possible?
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
So, you are advocating a [bleep] diet to get healthy. I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs. You can't be healthy for long without a healthy diet. That should just be common sense. Anyone taking care of animals knows that much.
You said, "no you..." in reply to krp.
I merely said to take a gander at Phelps' diet. Not "advocating" anything. Just showing, w the effort krp mentioned, a person can exercise or work off just about any caloric intake. Like krp said, it takes effort most people aren't willing to endure. Hence, why Phelps is an Olympian and we are not (assumption on my part, you may be an Olympian).
Didn’t you just post that most people need a minimum of 15-20% fat in their diet????? This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. And please fess up, what book are you posting from?
15-20% of total calories in your diet should come from fat. That said, if you read the Fuqking post, it’s recommended for satiety. That means palatability.
It’s not needed dietarily. Only a small amount is needed for the necessary fat soluble vitamins, if you have any reading comprehension
I don't like to use the word exercise because my activity level isn't working out or taking time out of a normal day committed to exercising, my activity is work, hunting, scouting, fishing, around the place chores.
But there is the point to be made that exercise in whatever capacity will improve all the health markers claimed by keto. Weight loss, blood sugar, stamina, strength, on and on.
Maybe a diet is necessary to get where you can exercise. At that point exercise should move to the forefront.
Kent
Without a sensible diet, exercise is not a great tool for weight loss. Used in combination, the two are much greater than either alone. A friend of mine says “You can’t outrun the fork”. Pretty profound, I think.
Actually you can, but mist people won't put the effort in.
Kent
No you fugging cant because no matter how hard you work or exercise at the end of the day your body will have to use your food to rebuild. You can't build a good house with crap materials.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
So, you are advocating a [bleep] diet to get healthy. I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs. You can't be healthy for long without a healthy diet. That should just be common sense. Anyone taking care of animals knows that much.
You said, "no you..." in reply to krp.
I merely said to take a gander at Phelps' diet. Not "advocating" anything. Just showing, w the effort krp mentioned, a person can exercise or work off just about any caloric intake. Like krp said, it takes effort most people aren't willing to endure. Hence, why Phelps is an Olympian and we are not (assumption on my part, you may be an Olympian).
Have a good day.
You can eat a lot of junk and get by with it as long as you are young and have enough good in your diet to compensate. I don't think carbs are a horrible thing as long as they are from healthy sources, and you don't need to lose weight.
When you get older all those toxins start to add up, all the booze, bad water, bad air, pesticides all of it accumulates. If you have a crap diet on top of all that you reach the tipping point where your body's defenses can no longer keep up with the accumulated crap. When that happens sickness, cancers and all kinds of things start. Most of it could be prevented with a healthy diet and exercise, rest and stress relief.
I'm not even saying you can't eat a candy bar or whatever crap you want, but you shouldn't lie to yourself that it is is not hurting or lessening your health in any way just because you exercise enough to burn the empty calories off. Read the label and it should be obvious if you can't pronounce half the crap in it.
Hope you have a good evening and day tomorrow too. I am doing that thing again where I'm quoting someone I'm not really arguing with just continuing the discussion.
Didn’t you just post that most people need a minimum of 15-20% fat in their diet????? This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. And please fess up, what book are you posting from?
15-20% of total calories in your diet should come from fat. That said, if you read the Fuqking post, it’s recommended for satiety. That means palatability.
It’s not needed dietarily. Only a small amount is needed for the necessary fat soluble vitamins, if you have any reading comprehension
It’s a college level Nutrition textbook
10-15% being required for vitamin absorption is not much less than the 15-20% number that is quoted. Both numbers are used in your nameless reference. Just seems strange that you’d refer to dietary fat as “crap”.
Sorry if my reading comprehension doesn’t measure up. I confess, I probably sold most of my college books back to the bookstore to get beer money. And BTW, palatability and satiety are different things. Are you sure you went to college? 🤔
Didn’t you just post that most people need a minimum of 15-20% fat in their diet????? This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. And please fess up, what book are you posting from?
15-20% of total calories in your diet should come from fat. That said, if you read the Fuqking post, it’s recommended for satiety. That means palatability.
It’s not needed dietarily. Only a small amount is needed for the necessary fat soluble vitamins, if you have any reading comprehension
It’s a college level Nutrition textbook
10-15% being required for vitamin absorption is not much less than the 15-20% number that is quoted. Both numbers are used in your nameless reference. Just seems strange that you’d refer to dietary fat as “crap”.
Sorry if my reading comprehension doesn’t measure up. I confess, I probably sold most of my college books back to the bookstore to get beer money. And BTW, palatability and satiety are different things. Are you sure you went to college? 🤔
Anything in excess of what is necessary for dietary fat intake is absolute crap.
It’s a discussion forum man.
If you make a statement, you need to support it.
I’m happy to read anything you have to refute what I’ve posted and supported
And yet you can diet yourself skinny but not in shape enough to put a pack on and climb a mountain the pack and animal out.
Also mentioning that activity is a viable way to health and longevity, actually the best way shouldn't be an issue on this activity based website.
But now it's ridiculous...
But advocating fasting 5 days on 2 days off per week every week isn't? And you guys ignoring it... that's ridiculous.
Kent
Hard to disagree with that. Weight loss alone doesn’t mean one is fit. Still likely more healthy than being very obese, though. I’m keeping you and Salmonella both on speed dial if I shoot a big animal far from the road!
As far as the really kooky guy, I think people mostly just stopped responding to his silly posts.
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire.
When you get to the weight you want to be at that makes you happy, confident, and proud of yourself, then simply modify your diet to accommodate your metabolism and lifestyle, and don't fall back into the same bad habits that got you fat in the first place.
It's unbelievably simple. If you do not believe me ask Salmonella, I'll bet he will agree with every word I just typed.
Being Fat is a choice, and so is being slim, it just takes discipline.
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
This is an opportunity to provide some context.
When Michael Phelps was competing, the diet rage of the day was "carb loading". Athletes, especially endurance athletes, were advised to load up heavy on carbs the day before the big competition, which was though to give them additional energy reserves. Sugar was energy, carbs were sugar, so the "scientific" way to improve performance was by pumping the athletes full of carbs.
There really was no science done on this. Just like there was no science behind the recommendation to eat only one or two eggs per week. Eggs had cholesterol, cholesterol was associated with heart disease, so the "scientific" recommendation was to cut back on eggs. Never mind that high blood-serum cholesterol is a consequence of arterial disease; never mind that dietary cholesterol is digested rather than put into the blood stream.
In the case of "carb loading", what started happening is that these elite endurance athletes started coming down with metabolic disease. They did fine for a while, but as they got older, the heavy carbohydrates emphasis in their diets created insulin resistance. Because these athletes were often burning as much as 6-10,000 calories a day, they needed a LOT of insulin to digest those carbs. And they started showing symptoms of metabolic disease. Word class athletes were showing up with diabetic symptoms.
Did you know that up until about 10,000 years ago, humans didn't generally have the genetic ability to even digest starches? Through selective breeding, we now have the ability to digest the products of agriculture for energy, which has allowed civilization to develop. But the human body is not designed for it.
What we saw in the endurance athletes and their high carb diets is that there is a price to be paid for heavy simple carb consumption. We have had fifty years of government indoctrination in order to shift the "standard American diet" away from fat, towards carbohydrates. What does that fifty year trend show? Insulin resistance is at an all time high -- and so is carb consumption. At the behest of the USDA and their (completely unscientific) "food pyramid", people ate margarine instead of butter, cornflakes instead of eggs, and pasta instead of vegetables. Carbs instead of fats. Yet heart disease got worse, diabetes got worse, cancer got worse, depression got worse, neuropathy got worse.
What Michael Phelps was eating while he was competing is like putting av-gas in a hot rod with a blower. It'll get some more horsepower out of the engine, but it doesn't do the longevity of the engine any good. There is a price to be paid for heavy simple carb consumption, and the statistics show that millions of people with insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes are now paying that price.
Take a gander at Michael Phelps diet when he was competing...
Regards
This is an opportunity to provide some context.
When Michael Phelps was competing, the diet rage of the day was "carb loading". Athletes, especially endurance athletes, were advised to load up heavy on carbs the day before the big competition, which was though to give them additional energy reserves. Sugar was energy, carbs were sugar, so the "scientific" way to improve performance was by pumping the athletes full of carbs.
There really was no science done on this. Just like there was no science behind the recommendation to eat only one or two eggs per week. Eggs had cholesterol, cholesterol was associated with heart disease, so the "scientific" recommendation was to cut back on eggs. Never mind that high blood-serum cholesterol is a consequence of arterial disease; never mind that dietary cholesterol is digested rather than put into the blood stream.
In the case of "carb loading", what started happening is that these elite endurance athletes started coming down with metabolic disease. They did fine for a while, but as they got older, the heavy carbohydrates emphasis in their diets created insulin resistance. Because these athletes were often burning as much as 6-10,000 calories a day, they needed a LOT of insulin to digest those carbs. And they started showing symptoms of metabolic disease. Word class athletes were showing up with diabetic symptoms.
Did you know that up until about 10,000 years ago, humans didn't generally have the genetic ability to even digest starches? Through selective breeding, we now have the ability to digest the products of agriculture for energy, which has allowed civilization to develop. But the human body is not designed for it.
What we saw in the endurance athletes and their high carb diets is that there is a price to be paid for heavy simple carb consumption. We have had fifty years of government indoctrination in order to shift the "standard American diet" away from fat, towards carbohydrates. What does that fifty year trend show? Insulin resistance is at an all time high -- and so is carb consumption. At the behest of the USDA and their (completely unscientific) "food pyramid", people ate margarine instead of butter, cornflakes instead of eggs, and pasta instead of vegetables. Carbs instead of fats. Yet heart disease got worse, diabetes got worse, cancer got worse, depression got worse, neuropathy got worse.
What Michael Phelps was eating while he was competing is like putting av-gas in a hot rod with a blower. It'll get some more horsepower out of the engine, but it doesn't do the longevity of the engine any good. There is a price to be paid for heavy simple carb consumption, and the statistics show that millions of people with insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes are now paying that price.
Ok. Go look at his diet when he was training then. I said nothing about carb loading.
...A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE...
Gotta disagree with this too. One simply cannot expect to have the same diet throughout his life. People's needs change over time. Much better to adjust as the need arises and as new nutritional information develops.
And yet you can diet yourself skinny but not in shape enough to put a pack on and climb a mountain the pack and animal out.
Also mentioning that activity is a viable way to health and longevity, actually the best way shouldn't be an issue on this activity based website.
But now it's ridiculous...
But advocating fasting 5 days on 2 days off per week every week isn't? And you guys ignoring it... that's ridiculous.
Kent
Let me not ignore that kind of fasting schedule. The only reason to fast that much would be to drastically drop weight. Might be needed if you are 50 lbs. overweight but no it wouldn't be conducive to building strength.
...A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE...
Gotta disagree with this too. One simply cannot expect to have the same diet throughout his life. People's needs change over time. Much better to adjust as the need arises and as new nutritional information develops.
I sort of agree with both. A diet should not be a way to eat until you get to your target weight, as in "I am on a diet." A diet should simply be the way you need to eat to stay healthy, and yes, those needs do change over time. If you are smart about your diet, it will vary depending on your daily goals. For instance, I would eat different foods on a recovery day than the day of and before a training day.
It was a revelation to me when I started to think of food as, "what does my body need today?", rather than "I'm hungry,what am I in the mood for?"
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
Good deal. What's your target weight? You may have already said but how tall are you?
I want to get back to 180. I have about 8 lbs. to go but those have been harder than the first 50. I may have to give up my glass of red wine at supper to do it.
LOL, I'm pretty sure gurganimal has irritable bowel syndrome .
Irritable because he's afraid to eat a slice of pizza. Bowel because he's an aśśhole
Wasting your time here old mate. These clowns do not want to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.
Because all y'all eat essentially dog food, and we choose not to?
...and we are healthier because of it?
Another Sugar addict, in search of a support group.
GR
Honestly, I get pissed and say some crap more often than I should, but hell man say something encouraging every once in a while, or just put the dude on ignore and let it be. All the childish back and forth gets to be just too much after a while, damn.
Honestly, I get pissed and say some crap more often than I should, but hell man say something encouraging every once in a while, or just put the dude on ignore and let it be. All the childish back and forth gets to be just too much after a while, damn.
And you are just as idiotic as that other clown.
I gave your half-arsed ideas a whirl and they turned out to be rubbish. So like the other twit you just double down with your wide eyed gee-whiz bullshit.
LOL, I'm pretty sure gurganimal has irritable bowel syndrome .
Irritable because he's afraid to eat a slice of pizza. Bowel because he's an aśśhole
Wasting your time here old mate. These clowns do not want to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.
Because all y'all eat essentially dog food, and we choose not to?
...and we are healthier because of it?
Another Sugar addict, in search of a support group.
GR
Honestly, I get pissed and say some crap more often than I should, but hell man say something encouraging every once in a while, or just put the dude on ignore and let it be. All the childish back and forth gets to be just too much after a while, damn.
They are "flat-earthers" faced with a round world.
Good deal. What's your target weight? You may have already said but how tall are you?
I want to get back to 180. I have about 8 lbs. to go but those have been harder than the first 50. I may have to give up my glass of red wine at supper to do it.
Haven't actually got a target weight in mind--perhaps 165. Thinking I'll know when it feels right. I'm 5'6, built like a blacksmith, with overdeveloped arm, neck and shoulder muscles.
Honestly, I get pissed and say some crap more often than I should, but hell man say something encouraging every once in a while, or just put the dude on ignore and let it be. All the childish back and forth gets to be just too much after a while, damn.
And you are just as idiotic as that other clown.
I gave your half-arsed ideas a whirl and they turned out to be rubbish. So like the other twit you just double down with your wide eyed gee-whiz bullshit.
There are plenty of petulant children on here, some probably feel that way about me.
I know what has worked for over a year and half for me, feeling good, look about as good as I can, numbers are good, feeling strong. I can easily do this the rest of my life, but I will make changes if needed.
If your way works better for you that is great, I know what work best for me.
There are plenty of petulant children on here, some probably feel that way about me.
I know what has worked for over a year and half for me, feeling good, look about as good as I can, numbers are good, feeling strong. I can easily do this the rest of my life, but I will make changes if needed.
If your way works better for you that is great, I know what work best for me.
Over and out
Not sure why you would think I would care what you eat.
There are plenty of petulant children on here, some probably feel that way about me.
I know what has worked for over a year and half for me, feeling good, look about as good as I can, numbers are good, feeling strong. I can easily do this the rest of my life, but I will make changes if needed.
If your way works better for you that is great, I know what work best for me.
Over and out
Not sure why you would think I would care what you eat.
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
Moron
Pizzoff Dickhead
Retorts the 63 year old, post-menopausal woman
LOL
You truly are gay, aren't you?
You seem to fantasize about real men being women, interesting way to out yourself lol
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
Moron
Pizzoff Dickhead
Retorts the 63 year old, post-menopausal woman
LOL
You truly are gay, aren't you?
You seem to fantasize about real men being women, interesting way to out yourself lol
That doesn’t make sense
If I was gay, why would I fantasize about women.
Seems like fantasizing that a woman could be a man is what would make you gay.
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
If you are fat and want to lose the fat that is pissing you off and making you feel sick, miserable, ugly, and making you look like a slob, stop eating by fasting and stop chewing! Drink electrolytes while you fast until you get to the weight that you desire
A quality, reasonable diet is one that can be maintained for LIFE
Not one that requires starving yourself until you lose weight
Moron
Pizzoff Dickhead
Retorts the 63 year old, post-menopausal woman
LOL
You truly are gay, aren't you?
You seem to fantasize about real men being women, interesting way to out yourself lol
That doesn’t make sense
If I was gay, why would I fantasize about women.
Seems like fantasizing that a woman could be a man is what would make you gay.
Like you do
LMFAO
IF you were gay? You are gayer than a bed bug! lol
Considering it is a thread about fasting and diets one would think it is appropriate to discuss the subject.
Normally I try to remain polite for the most part, even when I disagree but you two asswipes can [bleep] off.
You may think the thread is about fasting and diet...it isn't, it is about virtue signalling and pretence.
If you do not believe me, say something the twits agree with and makes them feel good, then say something that offers an alternative viewpoint...and watch the meltdown.
Each and every one of the clowns needs everyone else to do what they are doing.
Oh, and thank you for the abuse...it makes my point.
Considering it is a thread about fasting and diets one would think it is appropriate to discuss the subject.
Normally I try to remain polite for the most part, even when I disagree but you two asswipes can [bleep] off.
You may think the thread is about fasting and diet...it isn't, it is about virtue signalling and pretence.
If you do not believe me, say something the twits agree with and makes them feel good, then say something that offers an alternative viewpoint...and watch the meltdown.
Each and every one of the clowns needs everyone else to do what they are doing.
Oh, and thank you for the abuse...it makes my point.
I truly don't give a flying fughck if you are 500 lbs. Virtue signaling my ass .
At 63, 6' tall, and weighing 197 lbs. With a full head of hair all my own teeth, and a couple of hundred lovers during my lifetime, I say look pretty good and do very well with the ladies. Took that picture of myself for a dating sight while 2 legged deer hunting after a 12-mile bike ride.
I also am the CEO of a National Corporation I founded, doing really well financially, I live on a lake in a million dollar + custom executive home.
Unlike you, that is single because you repulse women, and are forced to post semi-naked pictures of yourself on a hunting forum because you are trying desperately to attract a male lover, because of your deep depression after being rejected by the ladies and being the owner of a roach-infested restaurant that you inherited because you are not smart enough to start any type of business on your own.
At 63, 6' tall, and weighing 197 lbs. With a full head of hair all my own teeth, and a couple of hundred lovers during my lifetime, I say look pretty good and do very well with the ladies. Took that picture of myself for a dating sight while 2 legged deer hunting after a 12-mile bike ride.
I also am the CEO of a National Corporation I founded, doing really well financially, I live on a lake in a million dollar + custom executive home.
Unlike you, that is single because you repulse women, and are forced to post semi-naked pictures of yourself on a hunting forum because you are trying desperately to attract a male lover, because of your deep depression after being rejected by the ladies and being the owner of a roach-infested restaurant that you inherited because you are not smart enough to start any type of business on your own.
At 63, 6' tall, and weighing 197 lbs. With a full head of hair all my own teeth, and a couple of hundred lovers during my lifetime, I say look pretty good and do very well with the ladies. Took that picture of myself for a dating sight while 2 legged deer hunting after a 12-mile bike ride.
I also am the CEO of a National Corporation I founded, doing really well financially, I live on a lake in a million dollar + custom executive home.
Unlike you, that is single because you repulse women, and are forced to post semi-naked pictures of yourself on a hunting forum because you are trying desperately to attract a male lover, because of your deep depression after being rejected by the ladies and being the owner of a roach-infested restaurant that you inherited because you are not smart enough to start any type of business on your own.
Laugh all you want dickhead. lol
Must suck to be you!
JFC, great story
You need to be institutionalized
🤡🤡🤡
You should try Keto+Fasting+Exercise, Rick, because you've got an extra Forty lbs. there, fat-body.
... and that metabolic disease from your dog food/baby food diet won't wait.
When you eat too much sugar, the glucose that isn't immediately utilized by your body is stored as glycogen or fat.
But how can you use up that blood glucose before it gets stored away? There are then two ways blood sugar leaves your bloodstream and enters your cells for energy, says Dana Simpler, MD, a primary care practitioner at Mercy Medical Center in Baltimore, Maryland: "The first is when insulin connects to insulin receptors on our cells to allow blood glucose (sugar) to enter the cells," says Dr. Simpler.
The second is through exercise. "When exercising, our muscle cells can soak up blood glucose directly from the bloodstream without needing insulin," Dr. Simpler says. "Exercise is a great way to keep blood glucose from going too high, especially for [people with diabetes] or people with pre-diabetes."
I'm not promoting sugar, but it's not the villain claimed here, to divert the responsibility of someone's bad choices from themselves.
I was told to research, I didn't really need to but I did refresh myself by reading different sources. Every one say's eating TOO MUCH sugar CAN lead to weight gain, obesity, diabetes, heart issues, ect...
The key word is TOO MUCH and that depends on if the person is storing excess or burning it off before it can even be stored.
All 'research' I've read suggests that no more than 10% of calories should come from sugar. That would be from the average person with average activity levels... which isn't much.
So obviously the higher activity level person can utilize more sugar straight from the blood stream on the cellular level, without ever storing it or affecting insulin dramatically.
Yes, you can outwork, burn off, however you want to say it... sugar.
I'm not promoting sugar, but it's not the villain claimed here, to divert the responsibility of someone's bad choices from themselves.
I was told to research, I didn't really need to but I did refresh myself by reading different sources. Every one say's eating TOO MUCH sugar CAN lead to weight gain, obesity, diabetes, heart issues, ect...
The key word is TOO MUCH and that depends on if the person is storing excess or burning it off before it can even be stored.
All 'research' I've read suggests that no more than 10% of calories should come from sugar. That would be from the average person with average activity levels... which isn't much.
So obviously the higher activity level person can utilize more sugar straight from the blood stream on the cellular level, without ever storing it or affecting insulin dramatically.
Yes, you can outwork, burn off, however you want to say it... sugar.
The next issue here is promoting Keto over exercise.
Losing weight on the basic level is burning stored fat... glycogen depletion.
You can diet yourself into ketosis, nothing wrong with that, takes time and discipline.
Or you can more immediately up your activity levels to where the same affect happens. You deplete/burn out the glucose in your blood stream then start burning stored glycogen.
The only reason to say exercise isn't more important as diet, is if you don't put out energy levels enough to keep you at a healthy weight.
I'm not promoting sugar, but it's not the villain claimed here, to divert the responsibility of someone's bad choices from themselves.
I was told to research, I didn't really need to but I did refresh myself by reading different sources. Every one say's eating TOO MUCH sugar CAN lead to weight gain, obesity, diabetes, heart issues, ect...
The key word is TOO MUCH and that depends on if the person is storing excess or burning it off before it can even be stored.
All 'research' I've read suggests that no more than 10% of calories should come from sugar. That would be from the average person with average activity levels... which isn't much.
So obviously the higher activity level person can utilize more sugar straight from the blood stream on the cellular level, without ever storing it or affecting insulin dramatically.
Yes, you can outwork, burn off, however you want to say it... sugar.
Eating exceptionally large amounts of fructose taxes the liver: it spends so much energy turning fructose into other molecules that it may not have much energy left for all its other functions. A consequence of this energy depletion is production of uric acid, which research has linked to gout, kidney stones and high blood pressure.
The last 3 days I worked out of town. Ate donuts for breakfast, fast food for lunch, mexican and ribs for dinner at restaurants. I ate what the crew ate, I usually eat what I cook at home and only twice normally.
But we were working double to get done by friday what needed done.
I weighted myself this morning letting my body rehydrate and settle back down... I lost 1.5lbs.
Obviously I was burning off whatever glucose was entering my blood stream from food and then burning off glycogen. Which is what someone is trying to do in ketosis.
202.2 this morning. Fasted until 1:00 pm. Then ate like a (healthy) pig because I wound up hungry as hell. Japanese chicken tendon (tempura'd chicken, shrimp, some vegetables) a keto pudding and bar for desert.
The last 3 days I worked out of town. Ate donuts for breakfast, fast food for lunch, mexican and ribs for dinner at restaurants. I ate what the crew ate, I usually eat what I cook at home and only twice normally.
But we were working double to get done by friday what needed done.
I weighted myself this morning letting my body rehydrate and settle back down... I lost 1.5lbs.
Obviously I was burning off whatever glucose was entering my blood stream from food and then burning off glycogen. Which is what someone is trying to do in ketosis.
Kent
Yea, doughnuts for breakfast, and fast food for lunch. You really have a handle on good nutrition. At least maybe it's clear now you don't have a clue about what's healthy and what's not.
I don't care how much of it you eat. I only object to you arguing it's healthy as long as you don't get fat on it. I do wish you the best though.
Yea, doughnuts for breakfast, and fast food for lunch. You really have a handle on good nutrition. At least maybe it's clear now you don't have a clue about what's healthy and what's not.
I don't care how much of it you eat. I only object to you arguing it's healthy as long as you don't get fat on it. I do wish you the best though.
It is clear that your new religion has made you as weird as the other two clowns.
The last 3 days I worked out of town. Ate donuts for breakfast, fast food for lunch, mexican and ribs for dinner at restaurants. I ate what the crew ate, I usually eat what I cook at home and only twice normally.
But we were working double to get done by friday what needed done.
I weighted myself this morning letting my body rehydrate and settle back down... I lost 1.5lbs.
Obviously I was burning off whatever glucose was entering my blood stream from food and then burning off glycogen. Which is what someone is trying to do in ketosis.
Kent
Yea, doughnuts for breakfast, and fast food for lunch. You really have a handle on good nutrition. At least maybe it's clear now you don't have a clue about what's healthy and what's not.
I don't care how much of it you eat. I only object to you arguing it's healthy as long as you don't get fat on it. I do wish you the best though.
Arguing... I'm stating fact.
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
Kent
Exactly nothing you state there is correct.
The supposition that you need sugar to produce energy and be able to do work is false. The supposition that you can deliberately, meaningfully control blood glucose level through exercise is ludicrous.
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
Kent
Exactly nothing you state there is correct.
The supposition that you need sugar to produce energy and be able to do work is false. The supposition that you can deliberately, meaningfully control blood glucose level through exercise is ludicrous.
Yea, doughnuts for breakfast, and fast food for lunch. You really have a handle on good nutrition. At least maybe it's clear now you don't have a clue about what's healthy and what's not.
I don't care how much of it you eat. I only object to you arguing it's healthy as long as you don't get fat on it. I do wish you the best though.
It is clear that your new religion has made you as weird as the other two clowns.
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
Kent
Exactly nothing you state there is correct.
The supposition that you need sugar to produce energy and be able to do work is false. The supposition that you can deliberately, meaningfully control blood glucose level through exercise is ludicrous.
But, carry on. You do you.....
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Pop-quiz, Santa:
Corn - is the key ingredient of your Dog Food/Baby Food diet, and why you're Forty lbs. overweight.
How long has it been a part of human consumption and agriculture?
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
Kent
Exactly nothing you state there is correct.
The supposition that you need sugar to produce energy and be able to do work is false. The supposition that you can deliberately, meaningfully control blood glucose level through exercise is ludicrous.
But, carry on. You do you.....
glucose, also called dextrose, one of a group of carbohydrates known as simple sugars (monosaccharides). Glucose (from Greek glykys; “sweet”) has the molecular formula C6H12O6. It is found in fruits and honey and is the major free sugar circulating in the blood of higher animals. It is the source of energy in cell function, and the regulation of its metabolism is of great importance (see fermentation; gluconeogenesis). Molecules of starch, the major energy-reserve carbohydrate of plants, consist of thousands of linear glucose units. Another major compound composed of glucose is cellulose, which is also linear. Dextrose is the molecule D-glucose.
A related molecule in animals is glycogen, the reserve carbohydrate in most vertebrate and invertebrate animal cells, as well as those of numerous fungi and protozoans.
The funny thing about the keto guys is they are trying to burn glycogen without the activity levels they may have used to keep fit when they were young.
I already put a bunch of medical research examples of how activity burns glucose straight from food in the bloodstream, and stored glycogen, which is excess glucose.
And the only rebuttal from you guys is I'm wrong because you say so.
What you claim is unhealthy eating can't even keep me at a level weight, I'm burning glycogen which is depleting my energy reserves even eating high energy food.
Luckily I'm not in ketosis or I'd run out of the ability to work efficiently.
You may have to be in ketosis to burn glycogen... fine... I don't have to and need glucose plus glycogen to perform. My glucose doesn't become toxic, it doesn't get the chance.
Kent
Exactly nothing you state there is correct.
The supposition that you need sugar to produce energy and be able to do work is false. The supposition that you can deliberately, meaningfully control blood glucose level through exercise is ludicrous.
But, carry on. You do you.....
glucose, also called dextrose, one of a group of carbohydrates known as simple sugars (monosaccharides). Glucose (from Greek glykys; “sweet”) has the molecular formula C6H12O6. It is found in fruits and honey and is the major free sugar circulating in the blood of higher animals. It is the source of energy in cell function, and the regulation of its metabolism is of great importance (see fermentation; gluconeogenesis). Molecules of starch, the major energy-reserve carbohydrate of plants, consist of thousands of linear glucose units. Another major compound composed of glucose is cellulose, which is also linear. Dextrose is the molecule D-glucose.
A related molecule in animals is glycogen, the reserve carbohydrate in most vertebrate and invertebrate animal cells, as well as those of numerous fungi and protozoans.
Sugar - is made by the Liver and other organs, for systems requirements and brief "fast twitch" anaerobic muscle use.
The Human body's metabolism and activity runs on "slow twitch" aerobic muscle, burning fat and ketones.
When consumed is more that trivial amounts, the body raises insulin, stores a little in the liver and muscles, and converts the rest of the sugar to stored fat.
WHAT DOES YOUR BODY DO WITH FRUCTOSE? The question is one of the most significant “hot topics” surrounding fructose, and there has been a lot of misinformation spread about precisely what happens to fructose when you consume it. For example, how many people have heard the following: fructose gets converted to fat in your liver? I would guess that most of us have heard this. However, the truth of what happens to fructose is much different.
Your liver is indeed the primary organ that handles fructose, and almost all fructose you consume does pass through your liver. But it doesn’t really turn to fat; instead, here is the real breakdown of what happens in your body when you consume fructose.
Roughly 45% of it is immediately “burned” as fuel and turns into ATP and carbon dioxide. ~30% of it converts into glucose and then metabolized. ~25% of it is converted into lactate and shipped out of the liver. <1% is converted into fat, glycerol, or glycogen. These stats tell us that fructose does not really “turn to fat” in your liver; instead, it mostly gets used for fuel or converted to glucose or lactate.
I have yet to find any study or research that claims zero tolerance on sugar. All will say, excessive/high intake... that's common sense.
WHAT DOSE OF FRUCTOSE CAUSES PROBLEMS? One of the most interesting aspects of the science surrounding fructose is that there is a lot of research showing what “dose” can cause health issues. One study found that consuming 255 grams of fructose per day did lead to an increase in liver fat and reduced insulin sensitivity. It also showed the same result if you consumed 255 grams of straight glucose as well, suggesting it may not be just the fructose that is the issue. This study also showed that if you consumed 128 grams of fructose, there was no increase in liver fat or reduction in insulin sensitivity.
These studies were not the only ones to show that high doses are required for fructose to cause issues. A systematic review found that people had to be in the 95th percentile of intake for fructose to create metabolic problems. A meta-analysis found that individuals had to consume >100 grams of fructose per day to see adverse effects on body fat or metabolic markers.
And these doses are for the average person. If your activity levels are increased you can burn off more sugar... if you are laying about you maybe should eat none.
This whole sugar thing started when I said I can eat a 3 musketeers 'while' packing an elk out, with no affect. Or eating a plate of pancakes while working a hard week.
I was told it was poison and toxic. Also I should backpack hunt for 7 days on just minerals fasting. Or just nuts and jerky in heavy ketosis... by guys that have never packed an elk out or pack hunted.
This whole sugar thing started when I said I can eat a 3 musketeers 'while' packing an elk out, with no affect. Or eating a plate of pancakes while working a hard week.
I was told it was poison and toxic. Also I should backpack hunt for 7 days on just minerals fasting. Or just nuts and jerky in heavy ketosis... by guys that have never packed an elk out or pack hunted.
They play handball or ride a bike an hour or two.
Kent
The Human body is what it is... because of what it has had to adapt to.
Packing out elk, and working all day at physical labor, existed long before 3 musketeers.
Obesity, metabolic disease, and tooth decay did not.
No one is saying that the Dog Food/Baby Food diet doesn't work.
It's just not the Human diet, is inefficient, and it adversely affects the body.
Well, except for a couple cavities I'm not obese or have metabolic disease... so I guess you are proving my point that it's the activity, or lack of, that's the difference today in the average person.
Genetics, activity, diet, eating platform... in that order.
Inactive people get have weight/health issues... imagine that.
Kent
Active skinny people with poor diets also have health problems, imagine that. Arguing that diet doesn't matter as much as exercise is lying to yourself. You may believe it but nobody else does. Unfortunately, your opinions are based more on pride than anything else.
Active skinny people with poor diets also have health problems, imagine that. Arguing that diet doesn't matter as much as exercise is lying to yourself. You may believe it but nobody else does. Unfortunately, your opinions are based more on pride than anything else.
And after a lifetime of being an obese fat cunt you have a hide to be preaching at anyone.
Active skinny people with poor diets also have health problems, imagine that. Arguing that diet doesn't matter as much as exercise is lying to yourself. You may believe it but nobody else does. Unfortunately, your opinions are based more on pride than anything else.
And after a lifetime of being an obese fat cunt you have a hide to be preaching at anyone.
Fasted until noon yesterday. Good size fish filet with vegetables for lunch. Couple Italian sausages for dinner, with a Keto bar and small Carbmaster pudding for dessert.
3 days fasting per week,100% ketosis for years, just to maintain.
He's a troll trying to see how gullible people will be, pushing the boundaries of reality further out each time.
Anyway I have had a couple hard weeks of work/hunting and lost weight. The next couple weeks will be steady working and I'll lose more... whether I want to or not, regardless of what or when I eat.
& the other guy is almost as bad ! He has been intermittent fasting for 4 years, but lost 65lbs, in the last 5 months, & is down to a very dubious 210lbs !
Gets all bent outta shape, over food pics in the thread !
Yet, he participated in it !!
Has since shifted his Imgur pics, to lessen his embarrassment, but the imgur tags are still there for all to see.
By the way, GR's photo is a web pic (WP), he forgot to change the tag on !
3 days fasting per week,100% ketosis for years, just to maintain.
He's a troll trying to see how gullible people will be, pushing the boundaries of reality further out each time.
Anyway I have had a couple hard weeks of work/hunting and lost weight. The next couple weeks will be steady working and I'll lose more... whether I want to or not, regardless of what or when I eat.
Kent
Poor thing.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise...
... is a Maintenance Schedule that eliminates all metabolic disease and most if not all cancers, keeps all my muscles, organs, and systems rejuvenated and operating in spec, and allows me to work or play all day without having any withdrawals from the Sugar you are addicted to.
You don't have to like it.
But it's a very comfortable and Natural lifestyle that has worked just fine for many years now.
... Eight million years, and counting.
Your newfangled "Dog Food/Baby Food" diet not withstanding.
You live in Fear, like the earth is flat because that is all you know.
& the other guy is almost as bad ! He has been intermittent fasting for 4 years, but lost 65lbs, in the last 5 months, & is down to a very dubious 210lbs !
Gets all bent outta shape, over food pics in the thread !
Yet, he participated in it !!
Has since shifted his Imgur pics, to lessen his embarrassment, but the imgur tags are still there for all to see.
By the way, GR's photo is a web pic (WP), he forgot to change the tag on !
Good luck, in the field, Mate !
Hey azzhole, before you start commenting on my posts, try reading them first, instead of misrepresenting what I said, ok dummy?
I started my intermittent fasting lifestyle by first losing 65 lbs. in three months, 4 years ago by doing 96 and 120-hour fasts. I have been intermittent fasting ever since by doing OMAD and 72-hour fasts, to keep the fat off, because it works for me.
Here is the bad news for you. No matter how hard you try, you will always be ugly. At 56 with your wrinkled face and your baggy puffy eyes and balding to boot, your diet plan aint working. At 56 you look like you are 80. I am 63 and look 20 years younger than you.
Must suck to look like you, because you are one ugly representation of a 56-year-old man, or was it 57, who cares hahaha. Can’t even imagine walking around bald with a wrinkly old face and looking as old and as used as you do.
You can lose weight by fasting, but there is nothing you can do to make you better looking or intelligent. Unfortunately not only are you ugly, but you are stupid, you can not change either infliction by fasting. LMAO!
I started my intermittent fasting lifestyle by first losing 65 lbs. in three months, 4 years ago by doing 96 and 120-hour fasts. I have been intermittent fasting ever since by doing OMAD and 72-hour fasts, to keep the fat off, because it works for me.
With an eating regimen that looks like that and fuel sources you employ, I’m sure your 63 year old post-menopausal granny body is not even as strong as a 63 year old post-menopausal granny
If you have to fast for 90 hours you must be one fat FUGK
If you can't Read, you must be one Stupid Fu(k.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Keto+Fasting+Exercise...
... is a Maintenance Schedule that eliminates all metabolic disease and most if not all cancers, keeps all my muscles, organs, and systems rejuvenated and operating in spec, and allows me to work or play all day without having any withdrawals from the Sugar you are addicted to.
You don't have to like it.
But it's a very comfortable and Natural lifestyle that has worked just fine for many years now.
... Eight million years, and counting.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
You should be ashamed of your juvenile ignorance.
One can eat as much, or as little, as one chooses to on Any meal plan, including this one.
That I am the same target weight week to week, including the Fast, is Exactly what I desire.
All the benefits of Keto+Fasting+Exercise... without any weight gain or loss.
That you are unhappy RE: this?
... Just makes you all the more a petulant baby, addicted to Sugar.
If you have to fast for 90 hours you must be one fat FUGK
Every week to just maintain...
Of course it's medically inadvisable to fast more than 36hrs on a regular basis unless under a Dr's supervision.
Kent
You apparently can't read either, little one, or know ANYthing about Fasting.
So you make [bleep] up, like the petulant infant you are.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Keto+Fasting+Exercise...
... is a Maintenance Schedule that eliminates all metabolic disease and most if not all cancers, keeps all my muscles, organs, and systems rejuvenated and operating in spec, and allows me to work or play all day without having any withdrawals from the Sugar you are addicted to.
You don't have to like it.
But it's a very comfortable and Natural lifestyle that has worked just fine for many years now.
... Eight million years, and counting.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
You should be ashamed of your juvenile ignorance.
One can eat as much, or as little, as one chooses to on Any meal plan, including this one.
That I am the same target weight week to week, including the Fast, is Exactly what I desire.
All the benefits of Keto+Fasting+Exercise... without any weight gain or loss.
That you are unhappy RE: this?
... Just makes you all the more a petulant baby, addicted to Sugar.
Off topic a bit, but does anyone really PLAY handball? I literally don’t know a single person who does, or ever has. Is it a region thing? I once played a little racquetball, but that sport seems to have faded as well. 🤔
Off topic a bit, but does anyone really PLAY handball? I literally don’t know a single person who does, or ever has. Is it a region thing? I once played a little racquetball, but that sport seems to have faded as well. 🤔
No, that's one of the many tells that he or she is just F'ing around here.
Off topic a bit, but does anyone really PLAY handball? I literally don’t know a single person who does, or ever has. Is it a region thing? I once played a little racquetball, but that sport seems to have faded as well. 🤔
It's the sport of dinosaurs, for sure.
Quite a few older fireman and policemen still play, and a few big ball players move up to the 4-wall court on occasion.
There are even women in the sport now.
Fortunately, there is still a National association and tournament series.
This was a good one:
It is a sport that requires an investment in both pain and conditioning.
Off topic a bit, but does anyone really PLAY handball? I literally don’t know a single person who does, or ever has. Is it a region thing? I once played a little racquetball, but that sport seems to have faded as well. 🤔
It's the sport of dinosaurs, for sure.
Quite a few older fireman and policemen still play, and a few big ball players move up to the 4-wall court on occasion.
There are even women in the sport now.
Fortunately, there is still a National association and tournament series.
This was a good one:
It is a sport that requires an investment in both pain and conditioning.
Kent would cry and go hide under his bed.
Ha!
GR
You should try it sometime doushe bag, get your 90 an hour fat ass up of the couch
Off topic a bit, but does anyone really PLAY handball? I literally don’t know a single person who does, or ever has. Is it a region thing? I once played a little racquetball, but that sport seems to have faded as well. 🤔
It's the sport of dinosaurs, for sure.
Quite a few older fireman and policemen still play, and a few big ball players move up to the 4-wall court on occasion.
There are even women in the sport now.
Fortunately, there is still a National association and tournament series.
This was a good one:
It is a sport that requires an investment in both pain and conditioning.
Kent would cry and go hide under his bed.
Ha!
GR
You should try it sometime doushe bag, get your 90 an hour fat ass up of the couch
You should take the dick out of your mouth when addressing Adults, little one.
It would definitely benefit a “food giant” to lose some weight
Which would include muscle
If you actually knew anything about the adult Human diet or Fasting, Rick... and not just your 40 pounds of prediabetes muffin-top and baby food diet, fat-body.
Ha!
And why call it an "every Three hour" baby food diet?
Grams Per 100 Calories: Protein / Fat / Carbs
Human milk - 1.5(6%) / 5.5(50%) / 11.0(44%)
Rick's Blueberry pie - 1.0(3%) / 5.2(47%) / 12.5(50%)
90 hour fast, you cannot make this chit up. Are u delusional
If you want to see just how utterly useless the clown is then peruse the boot thread in the backpack forum. Everything the piece of shit posts is taken from the internet, his pictures, his bullshit pretend knowledge...everything. Just a useless fuck that has no personal experience.
Watch the turds that back him up, they are the same sort of grandstanding bullshit artists.
At 63, 6' tall, and weighing 197 lbs. With a full head of hair all my own teeth, and a couple of hundred lovers during my lifetime, I say look pretty good and do very well with the ladies. Took that picture of myself for a dating sight while 2 legged deer hunting after a 12-mile bike ride.
I also am the CEO of a National Corporation I founded, doing really well financially, I live on a lake in a million dollar + custom executive home.
Laugh all you want dickhead. lol
Must suck to be you!
Oh my Rick, ya gots him all TRIGGERED & DELUSIONAL !!
Just like complaining about food pic, which she participated in, then got embarrassed !
Originally Posted by KillerBee
Meh, thanks for your biography, not for that I asked for it.
Maybe, we should ask about his question, re turning deer backstrap, into stew meat !
Every good cook knows that, that is just plain wrong !
Or the .25 MOA rifle, that has a total of 17 rounds through it, in 10 years (IIRC).
Hey azzhole, before you start commenting on my posts, try reading them first, instead of misrepresenting what I said, ok dummy?
I started my intermittent fasting lifestyle by first losing 65 lbs. in three months, 4 years ago by doing 96 and 120-hour fasts. I have been intermittent fasting ever since by doing OMAD and 72-hour fasts, to keep the fat off, because it works for me.
Here is the bad news for you. No matter how hard you try, you will always be ugly. At 56 with your wrinkled face and your baggy puffy eyes and balding to boot, your diet plan aint working. At 56 you look like you are 80. I am 63 and look 20 years younger than you.
Must suck to look like you, because you are one ugly representation of a 56-year-old man, or was it 57, who cares hahaha. Can’t even imagine walking around bald with a wrinkly old face and looking as old and as used as you do.
You can lose weight by fasting, but there is nothing you can do to make you better looking or intelligent. Unfortunately not only are you ugly, but you are stupid, you can not change either infliction by fasting. LMAO!
While we are on the subject, of reading comprehension, you should check your triggered, delusional, personality disorder & calmly, slowly read your posted Sig line.
The guy, called you out, 2 or 3 times & you went with a triggered response !
Originally Posted by KillerBee
KB
Don't feed sns2 sockpuppet Muleyhunter. I have travelled, hunted and killed more Bears, Moose, Deer with both bows and rifles & Birds, and caught more fish than that troll ever has.[/color]
Pretty funny & a good indicator, of your mental acuity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey azzhole, before you start commenting on my posts, try reading them first, instead of misrepresenting what I said, ok dummy?
I started my intermittent fasting lifestyle by first losing 65 lbs. in three months, 4 years ago by doing 96 and 120-hour fasts. I have been intermittent fasting ever since by doing OMAD and 72-hour fasts, to keep the fat off, because it works for me.
Here is the bad news for you. No matter how hard you try, you will always be ugly. At 56 with your wrinkled face and your baggy puffy eyes and balding to boot, your diet plan aint working. At 56 you look like you are 80. I am 63 and look 20 years younger than you.
Must suck to look like you, because you are one ugly representation of a 56-year-old man, or was it 57, who cares hahaha. Can’t even imagine walking around bald with a wrinkly old face and looking as old and as used as you do.
You can lose weight by fasting, but there is nothing you can do to make you better looking or intelligent. Unfortunately not only are you ugly, but you are stupid, you can not change either infliction by fasting. LMAO!
While we are on the subject, of reading comprehension, you should check your triggered, delusional, personality disorder & calmly, slowly read your posted Sig line.
The guy, called you out, 2 or 3 times & you went with a triggered response !
Originally Posted by KillerBee
KB
Don't feed sns2 sockpuppet Muleyhunter. I have travelled, hunted and [color:#FFCC00]killed more Bears, Moose, Deer with both bows and rifles & Birds, and caught more fish than that troll ever has.[/color]
Pretty funny & a good indicator, of your mental acuity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I find interesting is that all three of the fucks lying about fasting pretend they are superior to everyone else. Not sure whether they are screwed in the head from pretend fasting, or lying about fasting because they are screwed in the head.
I fast between breakfast and lunch, and my best days are behind me, but I doubt that many have a living room with record book heads and other critters killed when I didn’t fast…
I fast between breakfast and lunch, and my best days are behind me, but I doubt that many have a living room with record book heads and other critters killed when I didn’t fast…
Don't you dare bullshit me...I have seen the pictures of your rifles and damn well know you are living your best days now.
A new low, 200.8 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
Seems to be working...what is the goal?
Try to avoid death as long as possible. Reduce inflammation and take the load off my sore knees and ankles (have hardware in one of them). Fit into some jeans I can no longer wear. Fit into some spaces I can no longer get into working on boats.
I have worked my way into a happy medium so far. My weight is hovering around 191 to 193 with a goal to get to about 175. Just a number "I think" is right, but I may find out differently. I have been stuck here for about 6 weeks.
This is because I am staying in a good state of ketosis with primarily protein in my diet and a fairly intense (for me) workout routine in addition to my normal daily activities. I don't fast because I don't really understand it, but I am seeing noticeable changes in my muscular shape and continuing to get leaner with much more definition. It is a happy medium for me because I can do everything I need to work wise, hunting, racing, and leisure wise without making my day all about my diet. It is easy for me to eat.
A big upside is that I eat way more at home or what I take to work rather than eating out. Eating out has gotten insanely expensive.
I doubt Paul has been dumped by a hundred or so women.
Kent
Ya, apparently, I may be ugly, balding, blotchy, look 80 (now!), but did I tell you, I'm hung, like a stud gopher !
He talks himself up, got to outdo everybody with his bullshyte.
Me, I talk up our lifestyle of healthy choices.
Pretty simple, really !
It is simple...you don't talk shit.
You obviously can't read, I would not have posted my response to the moron if he wasn't talking out of his azz about me and misrepresenting what I have been saying all along. Even though I have been intentionally not posting to any of his comments, since his mental breakdown a month or so ago. lol
"Healthy choices" Old_2_99s? You don't look healthy to me, you look Casket Ready lol!
You should not be posting anything on a health-related thread, you look like crap, especially at 56. I noticed you never smile in your photos either. Are your teeth falling out as well, or do you have dentures?
Next thing we will see is posting an a Shampoo thread lMAO!
Stop bringing me up in your conversations, I am not interested in anything you say or do, got it, dummy.
There is nothing to be vain about Dummy, and I would stop bragging about them teensy-weensy walleye you catch, they are not bragging material either. I throw walleye that small back.
Come to think of it, you should have them minnows tested for Mercury Content, you eat a lot of them. Maybe you have Mercury poisoning, which makes you look 100 instead of your real age of 56 lol.
There is nothing to be vain about Dummy, and I would stop bragging about them teensy-weensy walleye you catch, they are not bragging material either. I throw walleye that small back.
Come to think of it, you should have them minnows tested for Mercury Content, you eat a lot of them. Maybe you have Mercury poisoning, which makes you look 100 instead of your real age of 56 lol.
Did you really post that photo on a dating website?
There is nothing to be vain about Dummy, and I would stop bragging about them teensy-weensy walleye you catch, they are not bragging material either. I throw walleye that small back.
Come to think of it, you should have them minnows tested for Mercury Content, you eat a lot of them. Maybe you have Mercury poisoning, which makes you look 100 instead of your real age of 56 lol.
Did you really post that photo on a dating website?
There is nothing to be vain about Dummy, and I would stop bragging about them teensy-weensy walleye you catch, they are not bragging material either. I throw walleye that small back.
Come to think of it, you should have them minnows tested for Mercury Content, you eat a lot of them. Maybe you have Mercury poisoning, which makes you look 100 instead of your real age of 56 lol.
Did you really post that photo on a dating website?
There is nothing to be vain about Dummy, and I would stop bragging about them teensy-weensy walleye you catch, they are not bragging material either. I throw walleye that small back.
Come to think of it, you should have them minnows tested for Mercury Content, you eat a lot of them. Maybe you have Mercury poisoning, which makes you look 100 instead of your real age of 56 lol.
Did you really post that photo on a dating website?
Literally, crying laughing here !
Why would a great catch, like you, need a dating website, if you are all, you say you are ?
As to the walleye, maybe you should read some regulations !
3 per licence, up to 18.1 inches, 1 over that, in some lakes.
Eagle lake has a slot limit, none can be kept between 18.1" & 23"
Used to keep our 1 over, but not anymore.
Only keep 16"-18" fish, as stated before & they are the best eaters, by far !!
Eagle lake has almost zero mercury content, but it does accumulate, as you move up the food chain, or fish age classes.
So again, clueless drivel posted, by an overly vain, egotistical do nothing, dumbfuckt !
Your the dumbfuckt, chit for brains.
If you had not of spewed that BS you did about me, basically slandering me online I would not have said a word. I am not a roll over like you.
You are one giant dimwit, to think that anybody would want health advice from a person that looks as ancient, and as decrepit as you do, you are losing it.
Here is the good news chit for brains, I have received several PM's from members, who were asking for advice and information about the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle and losing weight rapidly. I have been more than happy to assist them, which I have done to the best of my ability and experiance.
The reason why I started posting here was to help anyone who was trying to lose weight, not to get into stupid conversations with a loser like you.
One person who I assisted has already lost 30 lbs. If my advice can help 1 person, it was worth posting and having to deal with azzholes like you.
Next time you want to bring me up and make fraudulent claims as to what I have said here, I will respond.
My good advice to you GRANNY, is to stay clear of me, I prefer to get along with people here, and dumbfuckts like you are a boring nuisance.
If you had not of spewed that BS you did about me, basically slandering me online I would not have said a word. I am not a roll over like you.
You are one giant dimwit, to think that anybody would want health advice from a person that looks as ancient, and as decrepit as you do, you are losing it.
Here is the good news chit for brains, I have received several PM's from members, who were asking for advice and information about the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle and losing weight rapidly. I have been more than happy to assist them, which I have done to the best of my ability and experiance.
The reason why I started posting here was to help anyone who was trying to lose weight, not to get into stupid conversations with a loser like you.
One person who I assisted has already lost 30 lbs. If my advice can help 1 person, it was worth posting and having to deal with azzholes like you.
Next time you want to bring me up and make fraudulent claims as to what I have said here, I will respond.
My good advice to you GRANNY, is to stay clear of me, I prefer to get along with people here, and dumbfuckts like you are a boring nuisance.
GFY
Yet you and your boyfriend are the two that irritate people the most...you know...the boyfriend that says you are forty pounds over weight.
Funny how you point your girly-boy digits at others and accept that.
Regale us again with all your pretend successes and irresistible charms, perhaps tell us about the wife-doctor and how many new tarts you are squiring around. And don't forget to let us know how rich and healthy you think you are...now you have dropped 65 lbs.
If you had not of spewed that BS you did about me, basically slandering me online I would not have said a word. I am not a roll over like you.
You are one giant dimwit, to think that anybody would want health advice from a person that looks as ancient, and as decrepit as you do, you are losing it.
Here is the good news chit for brains, I have received several PM's from members, who were asking for advice and information about the Intermittent Fasting lifestyle and losing weight rapidly. I have been more than happy to assist them, which I have done to the best of my ability and experiance.
The reason why I started posting here was to help anyone who was trying to lose weight, not to get into stupid conversations with a loser like you.
One person who I assisted has already lost 30 lbs. If my advice can help 1 person, it was worth posting and having to deal with azzholes like you.
Next time you want to bring me up and make fraudulent claims as to what I have said here, I will respond.
My good advice to you GRANNY, is to stay clear of me, I prefer to get along with people here, and dumbfuckts like you are a boring nuisance.
GFY
Yet you and your boyfriend are the two that irritate people the most...you know...the boyfriend that says you are forty pounds over weight.
Funny how you point your girly-boy digits at others and accept that.
Regale us again with all your pretend successes and irresistible charms, perhaps tell us about the wife-doctor and how many new tarts you are squiring around. And don't forget to let us know how rich and healthy you think you are...now you have dropped 65 lbs.
The only person on this thread who has a boyfriend is you, Auzzie Fruit lol
I need your prayers. Two nights ago I ate a big slice of blueberry pie and a scoop of ice cream. The pie was still warm. I ran four miles the next day but I fear my time in this world is now limited.
I need your prayers. Two nights ago I ate a big slice of blueberry pie and a scoop of ice cream. The pie was still warm. I ran four miles the next day but I fear my time in this world is now limited.
I need your prayers. Two nights ago I ate a big slice of blueberry pie and a scoop of ice cream. The pie was still warm. I ran four miles the next day but I fear my time in this world is now limited.
My condolences
😂
Just injecting a little humor, I am sure some would be quite happy to hear of my passing, it just will not be from blueberry pie poisoning.
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
I would rather hunt these hanging in my living room, skunks Stink and you can't eat them, at least I do not.
The Mulie looks small compared to the giant Whitetails, he was a decent 155-class deer, until I spotted him chasing the gals around lol
I don't think you want to get in a photo contest with this man.
Especially using that mule deer.
I am not interested in getting into a contest with anyone, there are a million better hunters than me!
I was making a joke, grow the F Up!
The only reason why I got involved in this thread, was to help and share advice on Intermittent Fasting with people who want to shed the weight that is making them miserable. I did it and anyone can.
I can't believe the naysayers and Debbie Downers in this thread.
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
Ha!
GR
Haven't followed this thread and don't care for the contents and have no intention of reading through all the bullshiit, My hunting pack always has jerky and candybars and I'd blast a skunk in a heartbeat, don't have them here so the porcupines and coyotes get the 500 gr .500" WLN LBT's
what I wanna know is
WTF is wrong with killing an animal with a firearm ? a fkn skunk yo ! and WTF is wrong with posting about it on a firearms, hunting & killing internet forum ?
Required gender neutral pronouns on the Fire next ?
I had already put up links to shedders and such... 7% is low and not recommended to be maintained at all times, only competition, 3 to 5% that GR suggests is healthy is on death's door.
Mr Bee in his attempt to find a pal was going to try for 5%, but then modified it to 10% by the carnivore diet... but he's obviously already abandoned the idea.
I had already put up links to shedders and such... 7% is low and not recommended to be maintained at all times, only competition, 3 to 5% that GR suggests is healthy is on death's door.
Mr Bee in his attempt to find a pal was going to try for 5%, but then modified it to 10% by the carnivore diet... but he's obviously already abandoned the idea.
Kent
This coming from a guy who eats sandwiches made with actual bread.
I had already put up links to shedders and such... 7% is low and not recommended to be maintained at all times, only competition, 3 to 5% that GR suggests is healthy is on death's door.
Mr Bee in his attempt to find a pal was going to try for 5%, but then modified it to 10% by the carnivore diet... but he's obviously already abandoned the idea.
Kent
This coming from a guy who eats sandwiches made with actual bread.
HA!!
SP
I could'a stopped at McDonald's instead... but there would have been a conniption by the brain trust here... I don't want to be body shamed...
I had already put up links to shedders and such... 7% is low and not recommended to be maintained at all times, only competition, 3 to 5% that GR suggests is healthy is on death's door.
Mr Bee in his attempt to find a pal was going to try for 5%, but then modified it to 10% by the carnivore diet... but he's obviously already abandoned the idea.
Kent
This coming from a guy who eats sandwiches made with actual bread.
HA!!
SP
I could'a stopped at McDonald's instead... but there would have been a conniption by the brain trust here... I don't want to be body shamed...
Kent
Bragging about your baby food diet and sugar addiction.
Grams Per 100 Calories: Protein / Fat / Carbs
Human milk - 1.5(6%) / 5.5(50%) / 11.0(44%)
Rick's Blueberry pie - 1.0(3%) / 5.2(47%) / 12.5(50%)
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
Ha!
GR
Hey Garandaminimal,
I don’t need to fast to out perform the likes of you. 100 pages of drivel and insecurities by guys like you that aren’t impressed with anyone else but yourself.
Of course I post dead stuff on a hunting/shooting site that has a division for bragging about weight and fasting. There isn’t a fit person that needs to fast to stay fit, but you do. Happy fasting you idiot…
I just wanted to congratulate you on this outstanding picture shrapnel, I have been admiring it ever since you posted it.
Not only do you and the Mulie look great in the picture, but the entire picture is BEAUTIFUL!
I hunt solo 90% of the time and only started taking pictures when I got older, I wish I had taken more. It's great to look back at pictures like the one you posted above, to relive that beautiful experience.
If 74% of your dietary calories are from fat, you are the dumbest son of a bitch still breathing besides Biteme
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard!
Enjoy your arterial sclerosis
Your obese Forty pounds of prediabetic fat and metabolic disease must be jiggling, Rick.
Fat, and ketones, are the preferred fuel of the Human body.
And absent Sugar, save the little it needs that is either dietary or the Liver makes no problem... there is no disease or illness of any sort, including cancer.
If 74% of your dietary calories are from fat, you are the dumbest son of a bitch still breathing besides Biteme
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard!
Enjoy your arterial sclerosis
Your obese Forty pounds of prediabetic fat and metabolic disease must be jiggling, Rick.
Fat, and ketones, are the preferred fuel of the Human body.
And absent Sugar, save the little it needs that is either dietary or the Liver makes no problem... there is no disease or illness of any sort, including cancer.
Look at my picture again, muffin-top.
Ha!
GR
all that intelligence, and yet you fell ass over teakettle and got jabbed multiple times
better purge your body fast before you clot shot out,
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
Ha!
GR
Hey Garandaminimal,
I don’t need to fast to out perform the likes of you. 100 pages of drivel and insecurities by guys like you that aren’t impressed with anyone else but yourself.
Of course I post dead stuff on a hunting/shooting site that has a division for bragging about weight and fasting. There isn’t a fit person that needs to fast to stay fit, but you do. Happy fasting you idiot…
You couldn't outperform me with a month's head start, Fat-ass.
Fasting - is a natural part of Human existence.
It rejuvenates the body, and eliminates illness.
And because it's the absence of something? It is easier than eating.
So get over yourself.
Go kill a feral hog your own weight, with a knife, and then take that picture.
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
Ha!
GR
Hey Garandaminimal,
I don’t need to fast to out perform the likes of you. 100 pages of drivel and insecurities by guys like you that aren’t impressed with anyone else but yourself.
Of course I post dead stuff on a hunting/shooting site that has a division for bragging about weight and fasting. There isn’t a fit person that needs to fast to stay fit, but you do. Happy fasting you idiot…
You couldn't outperform me with a month's head start, Fat-ass.
Get over yourself.
Go kill a feral hog your own weight, with a knife, and then take that picture.
This reminds me of this pointless brag fest among so many “do nothings”. I shot it without fasting at all and then went to the truck and ate a piece of jerky and a candy bar…
And you are so insecure and pathetic... that you feel the need to brag about actually killing an animal? With a firearm? Out of the entire 24HR Campfire site...?
... in a Nutrition and Fasting thread?
Does your mental health provider, or mommy, know this as well, or are you off the reservation, fat-ass?
Ha!
GR
Hey Garandaminimal,
I don’t need to fast to out perform the likes of you. 100 pages of drivel and insecurities by guys like you that aren’t impressed with anyone else but yourself.
Of course I post dead stuff on a hunting/shooting site that has a division for bragging about weight and fasting. There isn’t a fit person that needs to fast to stay fit, but you do. Happy fasting you idiot…
You couldn't outperform me with a month's head start, Fat-ass.
Get over yourself.
Go kill a feral hog your own weight, with a knife, and then take that picture.
GR
Nice try! Are you baiting me?
Go kill a feral hog your own weight, Fat-ass, with a knife, and then take that picture.
A Human can.
Fasting - is a natural part of Human existence.
It rejuvenates the body, and eliminates illness.
And because it's the absence of something? It is easier than eating.
I fasted last night. From about 2230 to 0730 this morning, then a banana and a 2 mile walk with the boys. Barefoot for a mile or so once we got past the Navarettia patches in the dirt road.
Broke my fast with this, did I do ok?
Jowl bacon. Never had it, local too. Didn't have to buy meat from 1000 miles away in KS
Couple of eggs from Goldie the hen out in the Gulag to go with them, fried in the grease of course:
OOPS? Carbs there, homemade sourdough rye sammich bread. Small loaf for the wife to take with her today on her visit to mom's. Hope I don't die soon. I'll be happy as the bread (and the rest of breakfast) is delish.
I fasted last night. From about 2230 to 0730 this morning, then a banana and a 2 mile walk with the boys. Barefoot for a mile or so once we got past the Navarettia patches in the dirt road.
Broke my fast with this, did I do ok?
Jowl bacon. Never had it, local too. Didn't have to buy meat from 1000 miles away in KS
Couple of eggs from Goldie the hen out in the Gulag to go with them, fried in the grease of course:
OOPS? Carbs there, homemade sourdough rye sammich bread. Small loaf for the wife to take with her today on her visit to mom's. Hope I don't die soon. I'll be happy as the bread (and the rest of breakfast) is delish.
You know, there's a whole lot of people who will tell you that you shouldn't eat tomatoes
Especially if they are Green or Rotten
Nope, any tomatoes. Especially Tom Brady.
lol, not a big tomato guy myself, unless they are in a sauce or Toasted homemade bread, Onion, Bacon, and Tomato sanmiches, but we all know we will die if we eat bread hahaha.
You know, there's a whole lot of people who will tell you that you shouldn't eat tomatoes
They are all welcome to tell me what they think I should and shouldn't be eating. I reserve the right to ignore their advice. I'm still learning. The reason for the tomato with the fish is that the tomato was nearing the end of its natural life, anyway, if I had not chosen to eat it now. It's staying down OK so far.
Also there are 6-grams of carbs in the Carbmaster pudding I had for dessert. But that satisfied me. Haven't had any bread, rice, pasta, potato, cereal, sugar since I started this a little over 3 weeks ago. Feel the change in my body mostly in my legs and belly. Haven't had to take so many pain killers for the inflamed joints. And notice a bit more freedom of movement already.
So I am steadfast about my commitment to lose the weight. And have not cheated on the new diet I have chosen, a work in progress. Though I have been sorely tempted at times.
I say fugk a whole lotta people. But then I ve been accused of being different.
Me too….and since I’m healthy, not a fat ass, not diabetic or hypertensive and my labs are “abnormally normal” I know that I’m different, all I gotta do is look at 95% of the guys my age or younger to know that I’m DIFFERENT! I’m healthy, active and fit so that right there highlights my differences! 😂
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
I love tomatoes and I don’t suffer from the inflammation that others suffer when eating them but it really affects my wife.
I say fugk a whole lotta people. But then I ve been accused of being different.
Me too….and since I’m healthy, not a fat ass, not diabetic or hypertensive and my labs are “abnormally normal” I know that I’m different, all I gotta do is look at 95% of the guys my age or younger to know that I’m DIFFERENT! I’m healthy, active and fit so that right there highlights my differences! 😂
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
I love tomatoes and I don’t suffer from the inflammation that others suffer when eating them but it really affects my wife.
You are the man and one of my favorite people here ACES. I do believe I would follow you to hell to defeat demons, but I would prefer to follow you to Alaska to fish on your Kingfisher and slay Salmon and Halibut, we can eat them with Asparagus instead, with a good beer or dry white wine hehehe.
That would be AWESOME ACES! Make your dream come true so I can join you and be a happy paying customer
I say fugk a whole lotta people. But then I ve been accused of being different.
Me too….and since I’m healthy, not a fat ass, not diabetic or hypertensive and my labs are “abnormally normal” I know that I’m different, all I gotta do is look at 95% of the guys my age or younger to know that I’m DIFFERENT! I’m healthy, active and fit so that right there highlights my differences! 😂
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
I love tomatoes and I don’t suffer from the inflammation that others suffer when eating them but it really affects my wife.
You are the man and one of my favorite people here ACES. I do believe I would follow you to hell to defeat demons, but I would prefer to follow you to Alaska to fish on your Kingfisher and slay Salmon and Halibut, we can eat them with Asparagus instead, with a good beer or dry white wine hehehe.
That would be AWESOME ACES! Make your dream come true so I can join you and be a happy paying customer
KillerBee….I appreciate your kind words and I do look forward to getting to meet you one of these days. 👍🏼 I’m slowly picking up momentum and learning a lot as I go. This is a whole other “life” and I’m having to learning the “program” from the start, I’m keeping my mouth shut, trying to be useful to others and absorbing whatever my little brain can absorb….but most importantly I’m having a blast!
KillerBee….I appreciate your kind words and I do look forward to getting to meet you one of these days. 👍🏼 I’m slowly picking up momentum and learning a lot as I go. This is a whole other “life” and I’m having to learning the “program” from the start, I’m keeping my mouth shut, trying to be useful to others and absorbing whatever my little brain can absorb….but most importantly I’m having a blast!
That's the ticket, my friend, it's all about having fun while we enjoy the life that God gave us.
About everything we eat has some toxicity. Plants can't run away so they are toxic for protection, things we eat that can run away eat plants.
It's really a matter of what level of toxicity we can tolerate, digest and chit out before to much can be absorbed. Each plant is different and different to each person.
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
My comment on tomatoes was not directed at you , Ace. I read what you said before and it was reasonable and made sense. But there are people who will tell you not to eat tomatoes because they read somewhere that nightshades are bad for you. If they were, the Mediterranean diet wouldn't be beneficial.
And there are people who will tell you that you shouldn't eat bread or beans, because they don't.
I still haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit. It's going to be a very slow process for me to loose weight. My wife and kids swear that it looks like I'm loosing weight, but the scale tells no tales. I'm getting more determined every day.
I still haven't ate anything besides meat, vegetables and fruit. It's going to be a very slow process for me to loose weight. My wife and kids swear that it looks like I'm loosing weight, but the scale tells no tales. I'm getting more determined every day.
No need to cut fruit out of the diet. I've been having fruit every day and still losing weight.
Fruit is fine as long as anyone isn't eating so much of it that it is preventing them from reaching their goals. Main thing is to do as you have been doing and track your progress and adjust as necessary.
Nightshades can cause inflammation in some people. It's hard to always know if you are affected by a food allergy because it takes so long after ingesting it, before the effect. In many countries that use tomatoes a lot in cooking, the seed is not ate and often tomatoes are peeled or cooked.
No need to cut fruit out of the diet. I've been having fruit every day and still losing weight.
Fruit is fine as long as anyone isn't eating so much of it that it is preventing them from reaching their goals. Main thing is to do as you have been doing and track your progress and adjust as necessary.
Nightshades can cause inflammation in some people. It's hard to always know if you are affected by a food allergy because it takes so long after ingesting it, before the effect. In many countries that use tomatoes a lot in cooking, the seed is not ate and often tomatoes are peeled or cooked.
What a bunch of gobbletygook regurgitated from your incredibly limited understanding simply to appear knowledgeable
No need to cut fruit out of the diet. I've been having fruit every day and still losing weight.
Fruit is fine as long as anyone isn't eating so much of it that it is preventing them from reaching their goals. Main thing is to do as you have been doing and track your progress and adjust as necessary.
Nightshades can cause inflammation in some people. It's hard to always know if you are affected by a food allergy because it takes so long after ingesting it, before the effect. In many countries that use tomatoes a lot in cooking, the seed is not ate and often tomatoes are peeled or cooked.
What a bunch of gobbletygook regurgitated from your incredibly limited understanding simply to appear knowledgeable
Pathetic
Apparently reformed fat fucks are worse than reformed drunks and vegans, not a one of them can resist racing about telling everyone they should do the same...in exactly the same manner.
I say fugk a whole lotta people. But then I ve been accused of being different.
Me too….and since I’m healthy, not a fat ass, not diabetic or hypertensive and my labs are “abnormally normal” I know that I’m different, all I gotta do is look at 95% of the guys my age or younger to know that I’m DIFFERENT! I’m healthy, active and fit so that right there highlights my differences! 😂
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
I love tomatoes and I don’t suffer from the inflammation that others suffer when eating them but it really affects my wife.
You are the man and one of my favorite people here ACES. I do believe I would follow you to hell to defeat demons, but I would prefer to follow you to Alaska to fish on your Kingfisher and slay Salmon and Halibut, we can eat them with Asparagus instead, with a good beer or dry white wine hehehe.
That would be AWESOME ACES! Make your dream come true so I can join you and be a happy paying customer
BTW the fruit I have been eating (since starting this diet a few weeks ago) include:
Strawberries Bananas Granny Smith apples Peaches Bell peppers Avocados Italian tomatoes
The strawberries (frozen) have been added to keto pancakes (made with almond flour) which have been sweetened using sugarless syrup. Peaches and apples have been diced and microwaved (to soften) and sweetened with Sweet and Low. Italian tomatoes have been eaten raw and also slightly fried. Bananas and bell peppers raw.
BTW the fruit I have been eating (since starting this diet a few weeks ago) include:
Strawberries Bananas Granny Smith apples Peaches Bell peppers Avocados Italian tomatoes
The strawberries (frozen) have been added to keto pancakes (made with almond flour) which has been sweetened using sugarless syrup. Peaches and apples have been diced and microwaved (to soften) and sweetened with Sweet and Low. Italian tomatoes have been eaten raw and also slightly fried. Bananas and bell peppers raw.
Don't sweat it or qualify it, just keep doing what you are doing.
BTW the fruit I have been eating (since starting this diet a few weeks ago) include:
Strawberries Bananas Granny Smith apples Peaches Bell peppers Avocados Italian tomatoes
The strawberries (frozen) have been added to keto pancakes (made with almond flour) which has been sweetened using sugarless syrup. Peaches and apples have been diced and microwaved (to soften) and sweetened with Sweet and Low. Italian tomatoes have been eaten raw and also slightly fried. Bananas and bell peppers raw.
Don't sweat it or qualify it, just keep doing what you are doing.
Kent
No, no. Just sharing info for the record and in case anyone is interested in what I mean by "my new diet."
My major sources of protein have been:
Chicken Fish Scallops Oysters Shrimp Italian and breakfast sausage Hamburger and meatballs Ground turkey Eggs Chorizo
Desserts including Carbmaster puddings and keto bars.
I am very pleased with the slow and steady results so far. And with the relative ease of producing those results. Which is to say that the suffering from hunger pangs and sugar addiction have been more moderate than severe. The fasting much less agonizing than I had expected.
Of course I am determined. And generally have the tenacity of a body crab.
I am very pleased with the slow and steady results so far. And with the relative ease of producing those results. Which is to say that the suffering from hunger pangs and sugar addiction have been more moderate than severe. The fasting much less agonizing than I had expected.
Of course I am determined. And generally have the tenacity of a body crab.
I am very pleased with the slow and steady results so far. And with the relative ease of producing those results. Which is to say that the suffering from hunger pangs and sugar addiction have been more moderate than severe. The fasting much less agonizing than I had expected.
Of course I am determined. And generally have the tenacity of a body crab.
When I want to drop weight the lower the carb the better for me. It's not because all carbs are bad though as much as the fact that I'm hungrier if I eat more carbs. If I can get into ketosis heavily, I can have good energy all day and do all my eating in about a 4-hour window and never feel weak or hungry.
I can drop weight just by cutting back and still eat a few good carbs like fruit, but I have to watch it because an apple will make me hungry enough to have some more of the lower carb stuff I would normally eat.
I once had a nutritionist tell me that if you wanted to eat high carb to avoid all fat, and if you wanted to eat high fat to avoid all carbs if you wanted to lose weight. He told me that the carbs would trigger insulin and store the fat and burn the carbs. If you eat high fat and avoid carbs, you have less insulin released to store fat, and start burning fat as a source rather than carbs.
Chicken Fish Scallops Oysters Shrimp Italian and breakfast sausage Hamburger and meatballs Ground turkey Eggs Chorizo
Looks good pal, but where's the steak??
Good luck!
Thanks. Not enough matching teeth anymore for steak. So it has to be ground up. Somehow the chicken, and other stuff in my list, is easier for me to process.
...When I want to drop weight the lower the carb the better...
Totally get it.
I'm trying to lose weight while continuing to eat foods I love that are satisfying as well as good for me. (An apple a day keeps the doctor away) Still learning as I go. Possibly I will find that I cannot include some fruit and still lose weight.
If eliminating pasta, rice, bread, pastries, potatoes, cereal... proves insufficient to my goals, I will reassess and make necessary changes. As long as the general weight trend is going down I feel no sense of urgency to make it go down even faster. I believe slow and steady wins the race. And I am content.
I say fugk a whole lotta people. But then I ve been accused of being different.
Me too….and since I’m healthy, not a fat ass, not diabetic or hypertensive and my labs are “abnormally normal” I know that I’m different, all I gotta do is look at 95% of the guys my age or younger to know that I’m DIFFERENT! I’m healthy, active and fit so that right there highlights my differences! 😂
Inflammation caused by nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers) is a real thing but it doesn’t affect everyone nor does it affect those it affects equally. When I stated my experience with them I wasn’t making a blanket statement that everyone should follow, I was merely passing along information for others to do what they want with it.
I love tomatoes and I don’t suffer from the inflammation that others suffer when eating them but it really affects my wife.
You are the man and one of my favorite people here ACES. I do believe I would follow you to hell to defeat demons, but I would prefer to follow you to Alaska to fish on your Kingfisher and slay Salmon and Halibut, we can eat them with Asparagus instead, with a good beer or dry white wine hehehe.
That would be AWESOME ACES! Make your dream come true so I can join you and be a happy paying customer
So you do not approve of my taste in exceptional people?
My heart is broken LMFAO!
If you were 1/2 the man ACES is you would be very well-liked as well, just saying.
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He has good content, and is well educated.
If you look at the leaders of Keto and Fasting, they are mostly reformed MD's and medical researchers.
So their prior education is not only basically worthless, but acknowledged as detrimental.
A lot of really good Science RE: it is less than a year old.
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Show us a closeup of your eyes, killer.
I'd gladly share a camp or table with 99s, he's proven he's a class act.
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Show us a closeup of your eyes, killer.
I'd gladly share a camp or table with 99s, he's proven he's a class act.
Are you looking for a boyfriend? Sorry I am heterosexual.
Class Act? Class Acts don't fabricate stories or makeup something that isn't true, which the dummy did about me. Only Losers do that.
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Show us a closeup of your eyes, killer.
I'd gladly share a camp or table with 99s, he's proven he's a class act.
Are you looking for a boyfriend? Sorry I am heterosexual.
Class Act? Class Acts don't fabricate stories or makeup something that isn't true, which the dummy did about me. Only Losers do that.
Lol, no I'm not. You're bagging on someone for how his eyes look. Show us yours then, so we can compare
I would eat this, all day twice a day, any day Kent !
Hey Chit for Brians, I thought we already established that nobody in their right mind wants your health advice, since you look like Death Warmed Over.
When I first saw how horrible you looked, the first thing I said to myself was: What is this Dumbfuct eating to look so old at 56? Here is a closeup.
When I saw your photo it reminded me of something, but I could not put my finger on it.
Then I remembered the last time I saw baggy wrinkled eyes like yours, was at the ZOO.
It was an elephant and the only difference between your eyes and an elephant's eyes, is elephants have big brown eyes, and you have Nasty, Beady Little Brown eyes LMAO!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Show us a closeup of your eyes, killer.
I'd gladly share a camp or table with 99s, he's proven he's a class act.
Are you looking for a boyfriend? Sorry I am heterosexual.
Class Act? Class Acts don't fabricate stories or makeup something that isn't true, which the dummy did about me. Only Losers do that.
Lol, no I'm not. You're bagging on someone for how his eyes look. Show us yours then, so we can compare
Unless you're chicken.
Are you gay?
If chit for brians does not bring me up again, I will consider this over
Lots of MD's and Medical Science Researchers who have seen the setting light on the horizon of the Std. American "Baby Food Diet," and prescription solutions, they were taught in medical school.
8 years ago the wife and I both lost 35 pounds by cutting carbs. Every night I watch ~4 health videos with the wife:
Shawn Baker Robert Lufkin MD Vinay Prasad MD Andrew Huberman Dr Benjamin Bikman Dr. Eric Westman High Intensity Health Insider Business Dr. Seheult Practical Carnivore Dr. Boz [Annette Bosworth, MD] KenDBerryMD Carnivorous Chef Dr. Jin W. Sung Dr. John Campbell Peter Attia MD Robert Kiltz, MD Bret Scher MD Dr. Eric Berg DC Sleep Is The Foundation
We would really like to eliminate sugar from our grandkid's diet. So when we have them at our house once a week, they get meat, fish, cheeze, and eggs....and some berries.
8 years ago the wife and I both lost 35 pounds by cutting carbs. Every night I watch ~4 health videos with the wife:
Shawn Baker Robert Lufkin MD Vinay Prasad MD Andrew Huberman Dr Benjamin Bikman Dr. Eric Westman High Intensity Health Insider Business Dr. Seheult Practical Carnivore Dr. Boz [Annette Bosworth, MD] KenDBerryMD Carnivorous Chef Dr. Jin W. Sung Dr. John Campbell Peter Attia MD Robert Kiltz, MD Bret Scher MD Dr. Eric Berg DC Sleep Is The Foundation
We would really like to eliminate sugar from our grandkid's diet. So when we have them at our house once a week, they get meat, fish, cheeze, and eggs....and some berries.
Chicken, pasta, Dolmio sauce, with sourdough bread.
Hoping I survive the night...and that my overly chubby self doesn't offend any of the resident self-righteous girly-boys.
*Sigh*, but I did manage to add the louvres and rebuild the shed wall with old period locally cut boards today...it was probably amazing that I was able to drag my corpulent arse around through the 36 degree Celsius heat!
The front wall shall be brutalised tomorrow...if I make it through the night.
8 years ago the wife and I both lost 35 pounds by cutting carbs. Every night I watch ~4 health videos with the wife:
Shawn Baker Robert Lufkin MD Vinay Prasad MD Andrew Huberman Dr Benjamin Bikman Dr. Eric Westman High Intensity Health Insider Business Dr. Seheult Practical Carnivore Dr. Boz [Annette Bosworth, MD] KenDBerryMD Carnivorous Chef Dr. Jin W. Sung Dr. John Campbell Peter Attia MD Robert Kiltz, MD Bret Scher MD Dr. Eric Berg DC Sleep Is The Foundation
We would really like to eliminate sugar from our grandkid's diet. So when we have them at our house once a week, they get meat, fish, cheeze, and eggs....and some berries.
This is a very good one to add to the list... RE: Protein, both synthesis and human assimilation.
Based on this, have cut half my dinner protein, and moved it to a mid-day protein meal.
Gives me an ~ 50/50/50 g. meal plan, with a 50% improvement in assimilation.
Still fits in the 6-hour feeding window.
Started my 90 hr. fast today a coupla pounds heavier, most likely muscle mass.
Are artificial sweeteners making us chubby? That’s what you might think if you skim the headlines or glance at study titles. Here’s the truth.
If you glance at the research on artificial sweeteners, or rather, the headlines about the research, you’ll think they’re best avoided.
“Just have regular sugar,” the normies will say. Too bad they don’t question what journalists tell them. Because, in truth, most regular journalists don’t know how to interpret scientific studies either.
When research shows that artificial sweeteners cause XYZ problems, you must ask. “How was the research done?” Is there an actual causation, or is it merely correlation? So to cut to the chase, no, artificial sweeteners 4 and the soft drinks 1 they’re in do NOT cause weight gain. But read on to understand science a little better so you’re not duped in the future.
A Scary Study
Researchers recently found an association between several sweeteners and fat mass (1). Case closed, right? Not quite.
The weakness of observational studies is that they’re not able to show causation and are prone to many confounders. In this case, it’s quite clear that the associations found are due to a phenomenon known as “reverse causation.” In this case, those who are overweight or obese are more likely to consume non-nutritive sweeteners than sweeteners causing weight gain.
What did the researchers actually find?
They followed a group of adults over 25 years and gave them food questionnaires to gauge their intake of non-nutritive (artificial) sweeteners while also assessing their body weight and composition. Throughout the study period, total consumption of artificial sweeteners as well as consumption of aspartame, saccharin, and diet beverages, were positively associated with fat mass volumes, body mass index, body weight, and waist circumference. However, interestingly, sucralose (Splenda 6) intake had no association with any of these variables.
How Do We Explain These Results?
If we take these results as the authors insist, total artificial sweetener intake can cause fat gain while sucralose does not. That sounds great if you’re a big consumer of sucralose. Just keep in mind that when the media reports these findings, they’ll lump all sweeteners together and just tell you to consume the “real deal,” which is sugar-laden junk food and soft drinks. Going back to the study, though, the most likely explanation for their findings is the association they neglected to consider between exercise habits, diet, and consumption of sweeteners. Granted, the researchers relied on self-reported food and physical activity questionnaires, which are notoriously unreliable. People forget, exaggerate, and often paint a very different picture of their own habits. Nonetheless, when we evaluate the baseline characteristics of the study participants, we see that those consuming the highest amount of sweeteners were also the heaviest and had the greatest waist circumference. These were also the individuals who – if we believe the questionnaire’s accuracy – had the highest level of activity while also consuming the greatest amount of calories. In the real world, these are likely the people who struggle with their weight. They try to out-exercise a bad diet and justify over-consuming calories – like eating brownies every night but justifying it because it was made with a sugar-free sweetener. Or the person who eats McDonald’s five times per day but has a Diet Coke each time to “balance it out.” This is consistent with data from other studies where the majority (around 55%) of individuals regularly consuming diet soda were classified as obese (2). In short, overweight people use more artificial sweeteners, but artificial sweeteners were not the cause of their fat gain.
Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs)
How can we be so sure that this association is due to reverse causation rather than the sweeteners causing fat or weight gain?
In the hierarchy of scientific evidence, interventional studies consisting of randomized, placebo-controlled trials are the strongest. And unlike observational studies, these randomized controlled trials (RCTs) allow us to make conclusions about cause and effect. When we look at what the RCTs find, it’s consistent that these sweeteners (including the “natural” sweetener stevia) either have no effect on variables such as fat mass or they actually decrease these variables (sucralose), especially when compared to those ingesting table sugar or sucrose (3-5). This is also the case with meta-analyses of these RCTs, further strengthening the conclusions.
Take Home Points
Don’t give much credence to observational studies that find an association between artificial sweeteners and body fat.
The results from these observational studies are likely confounded by reverse causation.
Randomized, controlled trials consistently show either no effect on body weight and fat mass or, in some cases, a decrease, especially when substituted for sugar.
So let's see... you are eating maybe 900 calories a day for 4 days and 0 calories for 3 days, that's 3600 calories a week, plus exercising to build muscle mass... and gaining weight.
I know this is just a game to you to see how far some will be duped... the Bee will probably eat this up.
Otherwise it's already known you are trolling with bullchit for kicks.
So let's see... you are eating maybe 900 calories a day for 4 days and 0 calories for 3 days, that's 3600 calories a week, plus exercising to build muscle mass... and gaining weight.
I know this is just a game to you to see how far some will be duped... the Bee will probably eat this up.
Otherwise it's already known you are trolling with bullchit for kicks.
So let's see... you are eating maybe 900 calories a day for 4 days and 0 calories for 3 days, that's 3600 calories a week, plus exercising to build muscle mass... and gaining weight.
I know this is just a game to you to see how far some will be duped... the Bee will probably eat this up.
Dropped 90 lbs when I was in my early 50's. No keto or ketosis, though there was some intermittent fasting. No food deprivation. Eating whole, clean, unprocessed, non packaged foods and only eating when I was actually hungry. Throw in some physical activity and it worked just fine. Everything in moderation. Still ate pie, cookies, chocolate, pizza, burgers, and always some PBR's. I'm a few months shy of 65. Just had a physical a week ago Monday. All my blood work is in the optimal range and I take zero medications. Still 180 lbs from my high of 270 when I turned 50. This keto stuff isn't the be all end all. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
So let's see... you are eating maybe 900 calories a day for 4 days and 0 calories for 3 days, that's 3600 calories a week, plus exercising to build muscle mass... and gaining weight.
I know this is just a game to you to see how far some will be duped... the Bee will probably eat this up.
Otherwise it's already known you are trolling with bullchit for kicks.
Kent
If you are goin' to make up numbers and then pull them out of your ass, little one?
Make sure to wear your clown suit.
Ha!
Go eat a candy bar, and then take your nap, infant.
I was addicted to chocolate, ice cream, and potato chips from 1968 to 2015.
I was slim with my ribs showing until 1994 when I was 43 and put on 40 pounds. My wife was slim with ribs showing until 2005 when she was 50 and put on 40 pounds. We went low carb and got slim again with ribs showing in 2015 when I was 64 and she was 60.
I had been fat so long, it scared me when I saw feet in the shower with me.
Dropped 90 lbs when I was in my early 50's. No keto or ketosis, though there was some intermittent fasting. No food deprivation. Eating whole, clean, unprocessed, non packaged foods and only eating when I was actually hungry. Throw in some physical activity and it worked just fine. Everything in moderation. Still ate pie, cookies, chocolate, pizza, burgers, and always some PBR's. I'm a few months shy of 65. Just had a physical a week ago Monday. All my blood work is in the optimal range and I take zero medications. Still 180 lbs from my high of 270 when I turned 50. This keto crap isn't the be all end all. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
50/50/50 g.... are the Protein quantities in the meal plan, as stated.
Or can't you read, either?
Better keep that clown suit on.
Ha!
GR
So 600 to 750 calories.
And if you eat 50g protein in one sitting you'll chit out about 10g unused.
You better spread your meals out.
Kent
So, you actually think that all I'm eatin' all day long... is just Protein?
No carbs, and no fat?
Definitely keep the clown suit on.
P.S. the Human body, when in Ketosis, uses protein for other things besides muscle development, so 50 g./meal is utilized.
Because you don't understand the difference between Fasting and Starvation, either:
GR
That's not what you said earlier, you really didn't say.
So let's go back... you eat no more than 20g carbs... that's 170cal... you now eat 50g per meal that you can't use all of, but 100g protein is 400cal, if you ate 100g of fat that's 400cal...
50/50/50 g.... are the Protein quantities in the meal plan, as stated.
Or can't you read, either?
Better keep that clown suit on.
Ha!
GR
So 600 to 750 calories.
And if you eat 50g protein in one sitting you'll chit out about 10g unused.
You better spread your meals out.
Kent
So, you actually think that all I'm eatin' all day long... is just Protein?
No carbs, and no fat?
Definitely keep the clown suit on.
P.S. the Human body, when in Ketosis, uses protein for other things besides muscle development, so 50 g./meal is utilized.
Because you don't understand the difference between Fasting and Starvation, either:
GR
That's not what you said earlier, you really didn't say.
So let's go back... you eat no more than 20g carbs... that's 170cal... you now eat 50g per meal that you can't use all of, but 100g protein is 400cal, if you ate 100g of fat that's 400cal...
Without reading all these new posts... while pouring out the wall I realized I transposed the fat calories with the carb calories.
Only changes my breakfast numbers, it was 560 calories.
Doesn't change the protein numbers or the original context.
Kent
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
Without reading all these new posts... while pouring out the wall I realized I transposed the fat calories with the carb calories.
Only changes my breakfast numbers, it was 560 calories.
Doesn't change the protein numbers or the original context.
Kent
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
You must be loads of fun when ordering at a restaurant.
Without reading all these new posts... while pouring out the wall I realized I transposed the fat calories with the carb calories.
Only changes my breakfast numbers, it was 560 calories.
Doesn't change the protein numbers or the original context.
Kent
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
Simple.
GR
Just count your grams and add them up.
You won't give out your calories because it'll prove you a liar.
No googling required for me but it's been 8 years since I last counted calories by food, so I'm dredging up some old knowledge.
Kent
If you can't regulate your food intake without doing calculations, food is not your problem.
I worked for a major medical college and the research labs, apart from student teaching, had nutritional programs always running.
The grossest one was they would combine foods in a process that mimicked human digestion and tested the combinations for nutritional value... they stunk like human chit when done.
Otherwise they had the normal programs that made all meals for participants and studied the results. Anyone working there was encouraged to participate and all meals for a period of time was supplied.
No googling required for me but it's been 8 years since I last counted calories by food, so I'm dredging up some old knowledge.
Kent
If you can't regulate your food intake without doing calculations, food is not your problem.
I worked for a major medical college and the research labs, apart from student teaching, had nutritional programs always running.
The grossest one was they would combine foods in a process that mimicked human digestion and tested the combinations for nutritional value... they stunk like human chit when done.
LOL, I bet that helped with regulating your food intake.
Without reading all these new posts... while pouring out the wall I realized I transposed the fat calories with the carb calories.
Only changes my breakfast numbers, it was 560 calories.
Doesn't change the protein numbers or the original context.
Kent
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
Simple.
GR
Just count your grams and add them up.
You won't give out your calories because it'll prove you a liar.
Jr, you claimed to eat 50 50 50... usually means 50p 50c 50f... that equals 900 calories
Now it's 150g of protein three times in 6hrs... ok that's more reasonable... but you can't absorb that much in that short of time.
But ok that's 750cal being generous.
So now you eat other stuff I don't know about but you won't tell. So 750cal plus mystery food... you eat only 4 days a week... and gain weight, you don't eat carbs, you only eat 6hrs x 4 days, so 144hrs a week you don't eat.
Jr, you claimed to eat 50 50 50... usually means 50p 50c 50f... that equals 900 calories
Now it's 150g of protein three times in 6hrs... ok that's more reasonable... but you can't absorb that much in that short of time.
But ok that's 750cal being generous.
So now you eat other stuff I don't know about but you won't tell. So 750cal plus mystery food... you eat only 4 days a week... and gain weight, you don't eat carbs, you only eat 6hrs x 4 days, so 144hrs a week you don't eat.
And gain weight...
Kent
You're a fu(kin' moron, Li'l one.
4x150=... wait for it... 600.
And, as stated, my Fasts are 90 hrs (Three Fasting Days).
How many Calories in my meal plan are from Fat?
What's my Protein Requirement?
What's my Calorie Load?
Ask your mom, or the little yellow school bus driver, to help you.
Or, are you too ignorant to even be able to do that?
Ha!
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
It's the easiest and the most difficult all rolled into one. You just need willpower. So many people just don't have it. The short term gratification of eating great tasting things is just more valuable to most people that the long term gratification of feeling good in your own skin.
You are the Man! Congrats on achieving your new low!
You have completely motivated me to do the same
Cheers Pal
Thanks.
Well, I am the one who most needs the new weight lows. But it will give me pleasure if my own process* contributes to another member's motivation. As they say, if I can do it (at nearly 80 years old) anyone can.
*This is experimental. I am not preaching to anyone. Just proving to myself that I can lose weight with a diet designed by myself, specifically for my own needs, and while still including some of the foods I feel are important to my health, like fruit... I knew I had to quit snacking in the evening. I knew I had to eliminate the largely carbohydrate diet. But learning about fasting actually started with me subscribing to this thread. So kudos to all who have contributed positively to the thread.
...You just need willpower. So many people just don't have it...
I think we all have willpower. So that's not precisely the problem. It's just that, like with smoking or alcoholism, the addiction to the foods that are bad for us keeps us weak and makes us easily succumb to continue the addiction.
One of the key ingredients in making this huge change is the feeling of worthiness--that we are worth saving--that we are worthy of a longer, healthier, happier life.
It's the easiest and the most difficult all rolled into one. You just need willpower. So many people just don't have it. The short term gratification of eating great tasting things is just more valuable to most people that the long term gratification of feeling good in your own skin.
Drugs, alcohol, tobacco, food, sugar, corn syrup, sex, power, control, money….every SINGLE person has their demons. When we allow our demons to control us we’ve lost….when we control them we find happiness and contentment.
It's the easiest and the most difficult all rolled into one. You just need willpower. So many people just don't have it. The short term gratification of eating great tasting things is just more valuable to most people that the long term gratification of feeling good in your own skin.
Once weened off Sugar?
It's just Human food, and it tastes great, because it is what we as Humans are meant to eat.
What's difficult - is the training investment to build aerobic muscle capacity to that, and in excess of, short duration "quick fix" sugar fueled anaerobic performance.
Takes ~ 18 months... but then you've got that short duration strength all day long.
... and without the associate obesity and metabolic disease from a baby food diet.
It's the easiest and the most difficult all rolled into one. You just need willpower. So many people just don't have it. The short term gratification of eating great tasting things is just more valuable to most people that the long term gratification of feeling good in your own skin.
Drugs, alcohol, tobacco, food, sugar, corn syrup, sex, power, control, money….every SINGLE person has their demons. When we allow our demons to control us we’ve lost….when we control them we find happiness and contentment.
When you love God and our Lord and Savior, there is NOTHING that we can not defeat ACES!
Happiness is being in Nature with a 60 Lb. Chinook at the end of the Line or Whacking a 200+ B&C Whitetail with a bow.
One thing that I think about, especially when I’m around a lot of people like Disneyland and I see virtually EVERYONE is obese is that these fat young kids will never have a memory of a different life. They’ll never have a baseline of being physically fit, height and weight proportionate and feeling great because they’ve been fat and unhealthy their entire lives. They can’t yearn for the feeling they had when they were young because they don’t know what healthy feels like.
I was completely disenchanted with what I saw with people from 5-55 the last couple of times we’ve been to Disney or on cruises and just how fat and unhealthy everyone is. Kids and young adults renting electric scooters instead of walking because they are LAZY, FAT, UNHEALTHY and SELFISH. Since the fat ass 20 something year old was in a “mobility device” they got to go to the front of the line so they were deriving benefits and receiving positive reinforcement for their lazy and dishonest behavior!
I remember going to Disney years ago and seeing a lot of attractive women but the last few times I didn’t see one. Nothing but fat people and BROWN people. Hardly any whites that I saw but plenty of big groups of giant corn syrup fed groids and large feral groups of wetbacks….all virtually without exception were morbidly obese including the littlest ones.
I’m 6’2” and I just weighed myself at 190 and I feel good. I can remember when I was in my 20’s and getting toned out in the middle of the night for a fully involved structure fire or a major MVA when I’d jump into my bunker gear and hit the floor running….just like our lab. I marvel at how a dog can be woken from a dead sleep and take off after the ball at 100mph or how I USED to be able to do the same. Now it takes me a cup of coffee and a half hour of stretching before I feel as limber as a flagpole and able to get moving. 😂
We’ve got a couple of generations that have never known what feeling good really feels like, what healthy looks like or what a good diet consists of. Instead we have a couple generations of “adults”that will pass down their lazy, slovenly, gluttonous, selfish ways to the younger generations. They don’t have anything to strive for or work towards or look forward to since they’ve always been fat, unhealthy and lazy.
One thing that I think about, especially when I’m around a lot of people like Disneyland and I see virtually EVERYONE is obese is that these fat young kids will never have a memory of a different life.
I feel for those kids See the same in the grocery store, a cart full of processed food devoid of nutrition being pushed by obese parents. If there are kids, they're walking behind, staring at their friggin phone as if it holds the keys to the universe.
I could eat a Pound of Butter on any given feeding day.
... that's over 4,000 calories by itself.
So how am I restricted, or elevated for that matter, to a total of 4,000 calories a week?
You should stick to eatin' crayons and happy meals, li'l one.
And keep the clown suit.
Ha!
GR
It's your lie, tell it any way you want.
Kent
Ya moron.
It's simple Arithmetic.
Follow the Six Steps... or not.
Or, are you too ignorant to even be able to do that?
Ha!
1. Determine the Protein Requirement. 2. Determine the Net Carb Limitation. 3. Determine the Calorie Load. 4. Choose the Protein Source(s) and quantity. 5. Choose the Net Carb Source(s) and quantity. 6. Round out the Calorie Load with Fat Source(s) and quantity.
Macronutrients - for any/all Protein/Net Carb/Calorie Loads.
It's just Human food, and it tastes great, because it is what we as Humans are meant to eat.
What's difficult - is the training investment to build aerobic muscle capacity to that, and in excess of, short duration "quick fix" sugar fueled anaerobic performance.
Takes ~ 18 months... but then you've got that short duration strength all day long.
... and without the associate obesity and metabolic disease from a baby food diet.
I knew the hot dogs would freak you idiots out lol, did carnivore all last week, and wanted a few carbs.
I will not eat again until Thursday night. Like I said you idiots just do not get the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and not getting that after almost 1000 pages makes you both idiots lol
I knew the hot dogs would freak you idiots out lol, did carnivore all last week, and wanted a few carbs.
I will not eat again until Thursday night. Like I said you idiots just do not get the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and not getting that after almost 1000 pages makes you both idiots lol
ITS NOT A DIET DUMMIES!!!
Dummies?! You are a pathological liar. How about more of those stories about your 1/4 moa Weaeatherby ,or shooting consistently 4” @ 80 yards with your bow, without practicing much… You are a F’n Dbag and a liar
I knew the hot dogs would freak you idiots out lol, did carnivore all last week, and wanted a few carbs.
I will not eat again until Thursday night. Like I said you idiots just do not get the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and not getting that after almost 1000 pages makes you both idiots lol
ITS NOT A DIET DUMMIES!!!
I'd rather pass on the bread and eat every day. Life's to short to pass up a good meal.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
I'M BACK!...Hey slurpee boy, does this mean I am doing keto just like you?
Seems it is/was sausage day !
Garden tater mash, onion& mushroom pan gravy + big knob of butter, used to loosen the mash.
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
First it’s “I’m going completely carnivore” then it’s “look at the carbohydrates I’m eating”
First thing, I thought too, Rick !
So you are chiming in again Old_2_99s?
You know nothing about health since you look 80+ years old at 56? We even took a poll and you only got 2 sympathy votes from friends?
Again you look sickly and on your last legs dummy, nobody wants your health advice and you still have not answered my question if you even have teeth since you never smile in your pictures, obviously hiding something!
You never even answered what the hole in your head is from. I think you were playing Robinhood and you were stupid enough to put the apple on your head and someone missed the apple lol
here it is:
Being a nice guy I tried to give you a makeover to make you look better by giving you blue eyes, a goatee a nice mustache, and hair to cover up the hole in your head. I even plumped up your thin lips. Still could not get you to look good, but I did try!
Here is my makeover, you look like Pierre Delecto!
& the other guy is almost as bad ! He has been intermittent fasting for 4 years, but lost 65lbs, in the last 5 months, & is down to a very dubious 210lbs !
Gets all bent outta shape, over food pics in the thread !
Yet, he participated in it !!
Has since shifted his Imgur pics, to lessen his embarrassment, but the imgur tags are still there for all to see.
By the way, GR's photo is a web pic (WP), he forgot to change the tag on !
Good luck, in the field, Mate !
Well Jim and with all due respect, the above is what Old_2_99s wrote about me, making up lies about what I have been saying all along.
Any person that wants to fabricate untrue things that another member says, deserves what they get. He should never have brought me up and especially intentionally fabricated what I have been saying.
What I have been saying all along is this!
4 years ago I lost 65 lbs. in 3 months, by Intermittent Fasting while drinking Electrolytes. I went from 265 lbs. to 199 lbs.
Ever since I lost weight, I eat whatever I want ONCE A DAY also known as OMAD, and if I gain a few lbs., I Intermittent Fast for 48, 72, and 96-hour fasts until the few lbs. is gone.
It is not a diet it's a Lifestyle Choice.
If he had not opened his stupid mouth and misrepresented what I said, I never would have said a word about him.
In other words, he is getting what he so richly deserves by being an outright liar!
We even took a poll and you only got 2 sympathy votes from friends?
Yeah, that'd be my 2, verses .........................
How many did you get again ?
Old boy I am not the least bit interested in having any conversations with you, I HATE A LIAR!
I bet that when you see these pictures you have to clutch your chest and reach for your bottle of Nitroglycerin to prevent a heart attack. I bet it stresses you out so much that you grind your dentures down too.
Don't bring me up again Dummy or you will suffer the consequences, like I said I hate a liar and a BS artist like you.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
Ya, my dad is 92, his brother 94, their mom died at 97, my grandfather smoked and died of emphysema at 86.
They ate breads and gravies, bake goods with sugar, whatever they wanted, never fat.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
Ya, my dad is 92, his brother 94, their mom died at 97, my grandfather smoked and died of emphysema at 86.
They ate breads and gravies, bake goods with sugar, whatever they wanted, never fat.
Kent
The quality of those foods and amount of chemicals they were exposed to compared to now is apples to oranges difference. Look into the history of Genetically modified foods and grains modified to be treated by Roundup before harvesting. There are real reasons to be concerned about today's food supply and good reason not to trust any processed foods.
It would seriously pay great health benefits to eliminate as much processed foods as possible and look into sources. For instance, most rice grown in Southern USA is contaminated by arsenic from our eradication of the cotton weevil.
Dropped 90 lbs when I was in my early 50's. No keto or ketosis, though there was some intermittent fasting. No food deprivation. Eating whole, clean, unprocessed, non packaged foods and only eating when I was actually hungry. Throw in some physical activity and it worked just fine. Everything in moderation. Still ate pie, cookies, chocolate, pizza, burgers, and always some PBR's. I'm a few months shy of 65. Just had a physical a week ago Monday. All my blood work is in the optimal range and I take zero medications. Still 180 lbs from my high of 270 when I turned 50. This keto stuff isn't the be all end all. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Good for you, Mate.
Personally, I've been told that, that lifestyle, will not/does not/can not work !
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
Ya, my dad is 92, his brother 94, their mom died at 97, my grandfather smoked and died of emphysema at 86.
They ate breads and gravies, bake goods with sugar, whatever they wanted, never fat.
Kent
The quality of those foods and amount of chemicals they were exposed to compared to now is apples to oranges difference. Look into the history of Genetically modified foods and grains modified to be treated by Roundup before harvesting. There are real reasons to be concerned about today's food supply and good reason not to trust any processed foods.
It would seriously pay great health benefits to eliminate as much processed foods as possible and look into sources. For instance, most rice grown in Southern USA is contaminated by arsenic from our eradication of the cotton weevil.
Huh? My grandmother was alive until 2005 and dad/brother/sister in her 80s still alive, eating what I've always ate.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
Ya, my dad is 92, his brother 94, their mom died at 97, my grandfather smoked and died of emphysema at 86.
They ate breads and gravies, bake goods with sugar, whatever they wanted, never fat.
Kent
The quality of those foods and amount of chemicals they were exposed to compared to now is apples to oranges difference. Look into the history of Genetically modified foods and grains modified to be treated by Roundup before harvesting. There are real reasons to be concerned about today's food supply and good reason not to trust any processed foods.
It would seriously pay great health benefits to eliminate as much processed foods as possible and look into sources. For instance, most rice grown in Southern USA is contaminated by arsenic from our eradication of the cotton weevil.
Huh? My grandmother was alive until 2005 and dad/brother/sister in her 80s still alive, eating what I've always ate.
Kent
You gotta love dieticians that extrapolate data from a source they find to substantiate their MO. I love sugar and most other unhealthy stuff, and I would rather eat and enjoy it than sit around fasting and bragging about it to a bunch of people I don’t know…
Dropped 90 lbs when I was in my early 50's. No keto or ketosis, though there was some intermittent fasting. No food deprivation. Eating whole, clean, unprocessed, non packaged foods and only eating when I was actually hungry. Throw in some physical activity and it worked just fine. Everything in moderation. Still ate pie, cookies, chocolate, pizza, burgers, and always some PBR's. I'm a few months shy of 65. Just had a physical a week ago Monday. All my blood work is in the optimal range and I take zero medications. Still 180 lbs from my high of 270 when I turned 50. This keto stuff isn't the be all end all. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Good for you, Mate.
Personally, I've been told that, that lifestyle, will not/does not/can not work !
You live and lead a quality lifestyle up there. Good on you. Jealous of some of the fantastic meals you prepare. Got some pretty old family, 80's and 90's on both sides that just live life with out all the restrictive nonsense about eating that I have read here. Again moderation and an active lifestyle, hunt, fish, and other activities.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
What's difficult - is the training investment to build aerobic muscle capacity to that, and in excess of, short duration "quick fix" sugar fueled anaerobic performance.
Takes ~ 18 months... but then you've got that short duration strength all day long.
... and without the associate obesity and metabolic disease from a baby food diet.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
There are all levels of being fit just as there are all levels of being conscious of what you are eating. Usually, they go hand in hand to whatever degree a person chooses. Elite athletes are very particular about their diets. Most of us aren't even close to being an elite athlete, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to read a label and make some choices. Isn't it always better to make as informed of a decision as possible?
I mean if you want to eat rice, wouldn't it be a better choice to buy the brand that doesn't contain arsenic? Wouldn't it be better to cook with the fat or oil that doesn't require being chemically processed to be consumable? You don't have to be a fanatic to the point of wearing flowers in your hair and living on dandelion soup to make some quality choices that should be common sense.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
There are all levels of being fit just as there are all levels of being conscious of what you are eating. Usually, they go hand in hand to whatever degree a person chooses. Elite athletes are very particular about their diets. Most of us aren't even close to being an elite athlete, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to read a label and make some choices. Isn't it always better to make as informed of a decision as possible?
I mean if you want to eat rice, wouldn't it be a better choice to buy the brand that doesn't contain arsenic? Wouldn't it be better to cook with the fat or oil that doesn't require being chemically processed to be consumable? You don't have to be a fanatic to the point of wearing flowers in your hair and living on dandelion soup to make some quality choices that should be common sense.
Lots of fasting and fitness. Here’s the view from where I sit while I enjoy some Corn Nuts and a Tootsie Roll Pop…
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
There are all levels of being fit just as there are all levels of being conscious of what you are eating. Usually, they go hand in hand to whatever degree a person chooses. Elite athletes are very particular about their diets. Most of us aren't even close to being an elite athlete, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to read a label and make some choices. Isn't it always better to make as informed of a decision as possible?
I mean if you want to eat rice, wouldn't it be a better choice to buy the brand that doesn't contain arsenic? Wouldn't it be better to cook with the fat or oil that doesn't require being chemically processed to be consumable? You don't have to be a fanatic to the point of wearing flowers in your hair and living on dandelion soup to make some quality choices that should be common sense.
Aerobic Strength Training is very easy on Keto, because there is no toxic sugar to burn off, first.
The muscles adapt and become more efficient, to the point of exceeding short duration "sugar rush" performance.
So it's available all day long, with or without dietary fat.
Prolonged Fasting - accelerates the process, by autophagy, actively recycling the damaged muscle, and thereby increasing the rejuvenation/efficiency when rebuilding.
Aerobic Strength Training is very easy on Keto, because there is no toxic sugar to burn off, first.
The muscles adapt and become more efficient, to the point of exceeding short duration "sugar rush" performance.
So it's available all day long, with or without dietary fat.
Prolonged Fasting - accelerates the process, by autophagy, actively recycling the damaged muscle, and thereby increasing the rejuvenation/efficiency when rebuilding.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
WRONG-O crappy Hampster…
Posted for the umpteenth time and it doesn’t penetrate your little rodent head.
Killing Keto Why Gains Require Carbs and More Protein
When it comes to building muscle, carbs and a balanced diet are far superior because they give you adequate (and preferred) fuel for anaerobic performance. And above all else, they make it easier to consume enough calories to trigger muscle growth.
A 2019 study in the Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness took 16 men and women through a randomized, counterbalanced crossover study analyzing exercise testing under ketogenic diets versus higher-carb diets.
The diets were matched for total caloric intake with carb intake being the difference in the subjects. After analyzing dietary compliance as well as urine pH and ketone levels, testers administrated the brutal Wingate anaerobic cycling test.
Here's what they found: Mean power, peak power, and recovery measurements were all significantly worse for the low-carb dieters. This lead researchers to conclude short-term ketogenic diets reduce exercise performance in activities heavily dependent on anaerobic energy systems (2).
This means your ability to perform the types of exercise that are best for building muscle is impaired with low-carb diets.
Unfortunately, keto isn't only a low-carb diet, it's also a low-protein diet. Too much protein can prevent you from getting and staying in ketosis.
When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.
That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).
Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.
Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."
Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.
But That's Not the Worst Part
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
Aerobic Strength Training is very easy on Keto, because there is no toxic sugar to burn off, first.
The muscles adapt and become more efficient, to the point of exceeding short duration "sugar rush" performance.
So it's available all day long, with or without dietary fat.
Prolonged Fasting - accelerates the process, by autophagy, actively recycling the damaged muscle, and thereby increasing the rejuvenation/efficiency when rebuilding.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
WRONG-O crappy Hampster…
Posted for the umpteenth time and it doesn’t penetrate your little rodent head.
Killing Keto Why Gains Require Carbs and More Protein
When it comes to building muscle, carbs and a balanced diet are far superior because they give you adequate (and preferred) fuel for anaerobic performance. And above all else, they make it easier to consume enough calories to trigger muscle growth.
A 2019 study in the Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness took 16 men and women through a randomized, counterbalanced crossover study analyzing exercise testing under ketogenic diets versus higher-carb diets.
The diets were matched for total caloric intake with carb intake being the difference in the subjects. After analyzing dietary compliance as well as urine pH and ketone levels, testers administrated the brutal Wingate anaerobic cycling test.
Here's what they found: Mean power, peak power, and recovery measurements were all significantly worse for the low-carb dieters. This lead researchers to conclude short-term ketogenic diets reduce exercise performance in activities heavily dependent on anaerobic energy systems (2).
This means your ability to perform the types of exercise that are best for building muscle is impaired with low-carb diets.
Unfortunately, keto isn't only a low-carb diet, it's also a low-protein diet. Too much protein can prevent you from getting and staying in ketosis.
When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.
That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).
Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.
Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."
Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.
But That's Not the Worst Part
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
Baby Food Diet and short term performance dogma.
Short term/Small sample study Proving what they want to sell sugar-addicted fat-bodies like you.
Sugar - is the temporary fuel, that's why Humans store Fat.
Aerobic Strength Training - takes ~ 18 months.
Your addiction and baby food diet - has already given you Obesity and, at minimum, prediabetes, Rick.
So get your fix and take a nap... and get fatter.
... like the rest of the 60% of America that's Obese.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
There are all levels of being fit just as there are all levels of being conscious of what you are eating. Usually, they go hand in hand to whatever degree a person chooses. Elite athletes are very particular about their diets. Most of us aren't even close to being an elite athlete, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to read a label and make some choices. Isn't it always better to make as informed of a decision as possible?
I mean if you want to eat rice, wouldn't it be a better choice to buy the brand that doesn't contain arsenic? Wouldn't it be better to cook with the fat or oil that doesn't require being chemically processed to be consumable? You don't have to be a fanatic to the point of wearing flowers in your hair and living on dandelion soup to make some quality choices that should be common sense.
Lots of fasting and fitness. Here’s the view from where I sit while I enjoy some Corn Nuts and a Tootsie Roll Pop…
I guess the view wouldn't look the same without a mouth full of [bleep].
After pouring concrete today the pretreatment guy shows up and sprays all the areas we are pouring tomorrow. I had to work in the wet pesticides finishing up. Got some on my boots and pants.
Who wants to bet you would have to eat rice every meal for the trace amounts of arsenic in it to 'maybe' affect you.
Only a no carb fanatic would try that play.
NEWS FLASH... everything you eat has trace elements of potentially harmful toxins.
Kent
Truth. My business is cleaning up hazardous waste sites and some are contaminated with arsenic. The first thing we have to do is take soil samples in uncontaminated areas to establish the naturally-occurring background concentrations of arsenic. Because it's everywhere.
I just wish I had the willpower to be handball fit... only a few can...
I mean anybody can hunt sitting on a cooler in the back of a truck...
Kent
Who really cares? Being fit is so subjective that it has no real definition. I eat and live like my father other than I don’t drink a jigger of Seagrams 7 once a day, or smoke any cigarettes. I grew up eating fried foods and paying attention to the 4 basic food groups. Everything we cooked was fried in reclaimed bacon grease from breakfast.
I suppose my father may have died earlier than he would have, if he’d paid attention to all this worthless dietary B.S. but at 94 years old when he died, who would have wanted the extend that life, eating like this bunch of malcontents on the 24hourcampfire…
There are all levels of being fit just as there are all levels of being conscious of what you are eating. Usually, they go hand in hand to whatever degree a person chooses. Elite athletes are very particular about their diets. Most of us aren't even close to being an elite athlete, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to read a label and make some choices. Isn't it always better to make as informed of a decision as possible?
I mean if you want to eat rice, wouldn't it be a better choice to buy the brand that doesn't contain arsenic? Wouldn't it be better to cook with the fat or oil that doesn't require being chemically processed to be consumable? You don't have to be a fanatic to the point of wearing flowers in your hair and living on dandelion soup to make some quality choices that should be common sense.
Lots of fasting and fitness. Here’s the view from where I sit while I enjoy some Corn Nuts and a Tootsie Roll Pop…
I guess the view wouldn't look the same without a mouth full of [bleep].
After pouring concrete today the pretreatment guy shows up and sprays all the areas we are pouring tomorrow. I had to work in the wet pesticides finishing up. Got some on my boots and pants.
Aerobic Strength Training is very easy on Keto, because there is no toxic sugar to burn off, first.
The muscles adapt and become more efficient, to the point of exceeding short duration "sugar rush" performance.
So it's available all day long, with or without dietary fat.
Prolonged Fasting - accelerates the process, by autophagy, actively recycling the damaged muscle, and thereby increasing the rejuvenation/efficiency when rebuilding.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
WRONG-O crappy Hampster…
Posted for the umpteenth time and it doesn’t penetrate your little rodent head.
Killing Keto Why Gains Require Carbs and More Protein
When it comes to building muscle, carbs and a balanced diet are far superior because they give you adequate (and preferred) fuel for anaerobic performance. And above all else, they make it easier to consume enough calories to trigger muscle growth.
A 2019 study in the Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness took 16 men and women through a randomized, counterbalanced crossover study analyzing exercise testing under ketogenic diets versus higher-carb diets.
The diets were matched for total caloric intake with carb intake being the difference in the subjects. After analyzing dietary compliance as well as urine pH and ketone levels, testers administrated the brutal Wingate anaerobic cycling test.
Here's what they found: Mean power, peak power, and recovery measurements were all significantly worse for the low-carb dieters. This lead researchers to conclude short-term ketogenic diets reduce exercise performance in activities heavily dependent on anaerobic energy systems (2).
This means your ability to perform the types of exercise that are best for building muscle is impaired with low-carb diets.
Unfortunately, keto isn't only a low-carb diet, it's also a low-protein diet. Too much protein can prevent you from getting and staying in ketosis.
When you work out, you break down muscle tissue and deplete glycogen stores in the muscle. In order for your muscles to grow, you need to fill those muscles back up with glucose.
That's where carbs come in. Carbs enhance the speed of muscle recovery and actually keep you from becoming catabolic. Catabolism is a fancy term for muscle loss. And the journal, Nutrition Today, shows that following up a workout with carbs is the surest way to prevent muscle loss from happening (5).
Your muscles need sufficient glycogen stores for energy so you can hit the weights as hard as possible. Without them, you'll fall short of what you're truly capable of achieving in the gym. You'll lift less weight, which means you'll also build less muscle.
Now, someone who's privy to the ketogenic diet will say, "Well, the point of keto is that your body uses ketone bodies for energy rather than carbs. Isn't it the same thing? You're still getting energy."
Though it's true your body will use a "secondary source" to supply energy to your body, it's just that – a secondary source. Ketosis is more like your body's defense mechanism. Your body prefers to use carbs for energy, especially when it comes to building muscle.
But That's Not the Worst Part
During periods when you don't have enough glucose, your body then makes glucose in the liver... out of your amino acids.
This process of the liver making glucose from amino acids is called gluconeogenesis. Think about that. Ketosis basically steals the building blocks of muscle to use for something other than, well, building muscle.
If you think that sounds like a good deal, then maybe the ketones have made you a little loopy already.
But wait, even after sucking precious muscle-building amino acids out of your liver, it gets even worse. Sometimes the source of amino acids that your body uses from energy comes straight from muscle tissue. That's right. If your body needs glucose, and you're depriving it, your body will mutiny and pillage muscle tissue just to give itself energy. You'll experience full-blown muscle breakdown (6).
Baby Food Diet and short term performance dogma.
Short term/Small sample study Proving what they want to sell sugar-addicted fat-bodies like you.
Sugar - is the temporary fuel, that's why Humans store Fat.
Aerobic Strength Training - takes ~ 18 months.
Your addiction and baby food diet - has already given you Obesity and, at minimum, prediabetes, Rick.
So get your fix and take a nap... and get fatter.
... like the rest of the 60% of America that's Obese.
After pouring concrete today the pretreatment guy shows up and sprays all the areas we are pouring tomorrow. I had to work in the wet pesticides finishing up. Got some on my boots and pants.
Who wants to bet you would have to eat rice every meal for the trace amounts of arsenic in it to 'maybe' affect you.
I’m admittedly not current on every post or the twists and turns this thread has taken but arsenic in rice is NOT something I worry about. I read labels, eat fresh and choose organic where I prefer, I kill and catch a lot of our protein and I butcher and process 100% of it myself. I say this only to establish that I’m conscious, not fanatical, about what I and my family eat.
Okinawa has the highest percentage of people who are 100 years old or older. They aren’t 100+ years old and wasting away in some dank assisted living facility but instead they are still active…playing golf and living a useful life. They eat copious amounts of rice….far far more than we eat or most Americans eat PLUS they eat a lot of fish. Fish, some more than others, contain high levels of mercury, lead and arsenic along with other heavy metals and toxins but yet those who consume it over the course of a lifetime are still living healthy, long lives.
A single bite of tuna or salmon or lake trout likely contains more arsenic than all the rice you’ll ever eat for your entire life combined. I’m all for eating smart and making good choices but becoming a fanatical food Nazi isn’t for me.
Like you Kent, I’ll eat whatever I want whenever I want….including a big bowl of arsenic with brown butter. 👍🏼
Cavemen had no carbs all winter, but some berries and honey in summer. All the current carb plants are bred from tiny inedible wild plants. The carb poison index is: 1) Alcohol 2) sugar, sucrose and fructose. 3) grains 4) below ground plants 5) low glycemic index vegetable plants
How strong a poison one can take depends on how much damage already caused by carbs. If there are deposits of visceral fat in the organs, then abstinence from below ground plants is required to cure insulin resistance and the long list of diseases that are symptoms of insulin resistance. But if there is only adipose fat under the skin, then some grains can be tolerated. That is extreme measures are required to reverse carb damage, but much less stringent to maintain good health. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis Hysteresis describes a system that takes a lot more to get out of, than it took to get into.
Google is not your friend. They want vegetarian carb eating leftists.
I don't know why, but most all keto people are right wing, and most vegetarians are leftists. I do know Nina Teicholz is leftist and Vivek Ramaswamy is right wing, but those are exceptions.
You gotta love dieticians that extrapolate data from a source they find to substantiate their MO.
There aren't any dieticians posting on this thread
They would get hammered because campers gonna be campers and believe what they want to believe. I'm not even sure I would believe too many of them. How many would claim to be vegan nutritionists or hard core keto nutritionists? There isn't too many -ists in the world that agree on anything.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖
Is there actually people that enjoy being fat and out of shape?
It's such a benign topic to me.
There are numerous ways to lose weight and feel better.
The participants in this thread are only sharing their experiences, successes and failures, but in typical 24HRCF fashion the thread goes completely off the rails due to the instigators...🤦
You just don't get it. Not everyone who eats carbohydrates is fat, out of shape, or needs to lose weight. Or ever was
So we don't buy the bullshìt that people need to avoid carbs at all costs, and we say so.
That's not "triggered," unless you think throwing the bullshìt flag on bullshìt is triggered.
Cultures all over the world make rice, pasta, and bread their staples and people are not fat, out of shape, or need to lose weight. So look for another bogeyman, this one needs to lose some weight.
And whatever you do, please don't tell any more stories about how women younger than you give you admiring looks. You're not unique in that regard
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Is there actually people that enjoy being fat and out of shape? So...you assume everyone but you is fat?
It's such a benign topic to me. So why bother posting.
There are numerous ways to lose weight and feel better. Yes there is, but for some odd reason you and the other two insist everyone should do as you do.
The participants in this thread are only sharing their experiences, successes and failures, but in typical 24HRCF fashion the thread goes completely off the rails due to the instigators...🤦
Bullshit, some are sharing...others are preaching their particular line of new religion.
Most of us are in shape, some of have never been overweight.
Yet the born again thinners seem to take exception to that fact. Have to prove they are healthier because of their new 'lifestyle', when they aren't.
We are killing ourselves with regular food they won't eat now... see, there's arsenic in rice and food is genetically altered.
There's always been arsenic in rice and food has been genetically altered for generations.
If you need to eat low carb fine, go about your day.
If you are trying to prove you are healthier than already healthy people because of ego... no, you damaged yourself for years and are now not better or smarter
The lifestyle thing reminds me of the new ranchette'ers, telling a rancher about their new lifestyle... eye roll.
Cavemen had no carbs all winter, but some berries and honey in summer. All the current carb plants are bred from tiny inedible wild plants. The carb poison index is: 1) Alcohol 2) sugar, sucrose and fructose. 3) grains 4) below ground plants 5) low glycemic index vegetable plants
How strong a poison one can take depends on how much damage already caused by carbs. If there are deposits of visceral fat in the organs, then abstinence from below ground plants is required to cure insulin resistance and the long list of diseases that are symptoms of insulin resistance. But if there is only adipose fat under the skin, then some grains can be tolerated. That is extreme measures are required to reverse carb damage, but much less stringent to maintain good health. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis Hysteresis describes a system that takes a lot more to get out of, than it took to get into.
Google is not your friend. They want vegetarian carb eating leftists.
I don't know why, but most all keto people are right wing, and most vegetarians are leftists. I do know Nina Teicholz is leftist and Vivek Ramaswamy is right wing, but those are exceptions.
Cool, if you are so impressed with cavemen perhaps you can explain the evidence of disease, cannibalism, and bad nutrition found in their teeth and bones.
And then explain to lard-arse how the predecessors from eight million years ago weren't dining on steak every night.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Is there actually people that enjoy being fat and out of shape? So...you assume everyone but you is fat?
It's such a benign topic to me. So why bother posting.
There are numerous ways to lose weight and feel better. Yes there is, but for some odd reason you and the other two insist everyone should do as you do.
The participants in this thread are only sharing their experiences, successes and failures, but in typical 24HRCF fashion the thread goes completely off the rails due to the instigators...🤦
Bullshit, some are sharing...others are preaching their particular line of new religion.
I work a very public environment. My eyes aren't lying to me.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb. If I can offer advice on what radically turned my life around I will. The difference in my life now, compared to when I was heavy is astronomical. Why the resentment and anger just blows my freaking mind. I'm just trying to help. I'm not a diet and fitness activist, just someone that made their life better that wants to help. In no way do I insist that everyone do as I do, that's just ridiculous. I just know what has worked for me.
That's right. They had potkchops, veal, and smoked salmon too.
Yeah, and imagine their surprise were they to learn that the females in primitive groups provide most of the staples...and it isn't animal protein they are digging up.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Is there actually people that enjoy being fat and out of shape? So...you assume everyone but you is fat?
It's such a benign topic to me. So why bother posting.
There are numerous ways to lose weight and feel better. Yes there is, but for some odd reason you and the other two insist everyone should do as you do.
The participants in this thread are only sharing their experiences, successes and failures, but in typical 24HRCF fashion the thread goes completely off the rails due to the instigators...🤦
Bullshit, some are sharing...others are preaching their particular line of new religion.
I work a very public environment. My eyes aren't lying to me.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb. If I can offer advice on what radically turned my life around I will. The difference in my life between when I was heavy compared to now is astronomical. Why the resentment and anger just blows my freaking mind. I'm just trying to help. I'm not a diet and fitness activist, just someone that made their life better that wants to help. In no way do I insist that everyone do as I do, that's just ridiculous. I just know what has worked for me.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Is there actually people that enjoy being fat and out of shape? So...you assume everyone but you is fat?
It's such a benign topic to me. So why bother posting.
There are numerous ways to lose weight and feel better. Yes there is, but for some odd reason you and the other two insist everyone should do as you do.
The participants in this thread are only sharing their experiences, successes and failures, but in typical 24HRCF fashion the thread goes completely off the rails due to the instigators...🤦
Bullshit, some are sharing...others are preaching their particular line of new religion.
I work a very public environment. My eyes aren't lying to me.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb. If I can offer advice on what radically turned my life around I will. The difference in my life between when I was heavy compared to now is astronomical. Why the resentment and anger just blows my freaking mind. I'm just trying to help. I'm not a diet and fitness activist, just someone that made their life better that wants to help. In no way do I insist that everyone do as I do, that's just ridiculous. I just know what has worked for me.
This thread started because someone wanted to exhibit their superior knowledge of diet and health status.
If that wasn't so, then when I pointed out that activity will also achieve that and inactivity is why a diet like that is needed... then the knives came out.
Hey fine if you let yourself be so far gone you need extreme diets, go about your day.
But if this is an advice thread, better to never get in that shape to start with by tailoring burning calories.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Let's see, one is a worthless sock puppet/troll who starts a thread and says stupid schit like "using a rest when you're hunting big game with a rifle is cheating," and the other announces he has a goal of reaching 5% body fat, meaning he has zero credibility on the subject and is a bullsh*tter.
This thread started because someone wanted to exhibit their superior knowledge of diet and health status.
If that wasn't so, then when I pointed out that activity will also achieve that and inactivity is why a diet like that is needed... then the knives came out.
Hey fine if you let yourself be so far gone you need extreme diets, go about your day.
As far as activity vs. diet, a good exercise program is worth talking about and being proud of because it takes effort and persistence.
A balanced diet not so much. At least for most of us.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb.
Low carb is good, especially if you cut way back on the right carbs, sugar in particular. Hats off to you for making the change and bettering yourself. I think everyone with a functioning brain cell knows that by now though, so it's not exactly a revelation.
And that's not what these other clowns are preaching.
And what's this... I see fat people... so need to post it on an outdoor forum like it's news.
Fat shaming...
You know some people are just big but still can outwork the low energy dieters.
Kent
Oh shit yes...I have shorn with some massive Māori fellows that worked like trojans and getting big numbers for months on end, and skinny druggies and drunks that did the same, I am less judgemental and arrogant now than when I was younger.
And what's this... I see fat people... so need to post it on an outdoor forum like it's news.
Fat shaming...
You know some people are just big but still can outwork the low energy dieters.
Kent
Oh shit yes...I have shorn with some massive Māori fellows that worked like trojans and getting big numbers for months on end, and skinny druggies and drunks that did the same, I am less judgemental and arrogant now than when I was younger.
I worked in Hawaii with some Samoans, took me a few minutes to realize they weren't fat but really strong. Luckily they were very good natured and we had a lot of laughs.
And what's this... I see fat people... so need to post it on an outdoor forum like it's news.
Fat shaming...
You know some people are just big but still can outwork the low energy dieters.
Kent
Oh shit yes...I have shorn with some massive Māori fellows that worked like trojans and getting big numbers for months on end, and skinny druggies and drunks that did the same, I am less judgemental and arrogant now than when I was younger.
I worked in Hawaii with some Samoans, took me a few minutes to realize they weren't fat but really strong. Luckily they were very good natured and we had a lot of laughs.
Kent
Interestingly, Taro was their staple since before the time of Christ, and was a staple in SE Asia before that. I guess cavemen did have more than a few berries and honey. Besides their steak and pork chops, that is.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb.
Low carb is good, especially if you cut way back on the right carbs, sugar in particular. Hats off to you for making the change and bettering yourself. I think everyone with a functioning brain cell knows that by now though, so it's not exactly a revelation.
And that's not what these other clowns are preaching.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
I ask as I find things aren't as sharp as they were...for instance: I haven't had sugar for months, haven't felt like drinking coffee for some three months, and barely taste vegemite...still taste it...but it is duller and not interesting.
And for the dieters...my wife stopped sugar and has been walking regularly, and is down to a size ten and heading for size eight.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
My sense of smell is still good, it is my sense of taste that is not what it was.
I'm not preaching at all. I saved my own life by living low carb.
Low carb is good, especially if you cut way back on the right carbs, sugar in particular. Hats off to you for making the change and bettering yourself. I think everyone with a functioning brain cell knows that by now though, so it's not exactly a revelation.
And that's not what these other clowns are preaching.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
I ask as I find things aren't as sharp as they were...for instance: I haven't had sugar for months, haven't felt like drinking coffee for some three months, and barely taste vegemite...still taste it...but it is duller and not interesting.
And for the dieters...my wife stopped sugar and has been walking regularly, and is down to a size ten and heading for size eight.
Cut the Carbs to less than 20 g. Net/day.
- Lots of eggs/butter/cheese/greasy meat, and a 1/2 lb. of low-starch vegetables (cabbage/scallions/broccoli/Brussels sprouts/etc.) - Black Dark Roast Coffee (low acid)
Saute the vegetables in the meat grease, then season with:
- Avocado - Mustard (vinegar) - Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning - Salt, both Na and K
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Let's see, one is a worthless sock puppet/troll who starts a thread and says stupid schit like "using a rest when you're hunting big game with a rifle is cheating," and the other announces he has a goal of reaching 5% body fat, meaning he has zero credibility on the subject and is a bullsh*tter.
Cavemen had no carbs all winter, but some berries and honey in summer. All the current carb plants are bred from tiny inedible wild plants. The carb poison index is: 1) Alcohol 2) sugar, sucrose and fructose. 3) grains 4) below ground plants 5) low glycemic index vegetable plants
Cool, if you are so impressed with cavemen perhaps you can explain the evidence of disease, cannibalism, and bad nutrition found in their teeth and bones.
And then explain to lard-arse how the predecessors from eight million years ago weren't dining on steak every night.
When we dig up native American bones, we can tell if they are pre corn or post corn by tooth decay.
Why this thread triggers so many just boggles my mind..😖 Because the other two pricks annoy the crap out of most people
Let's see, one is a worthless sock puppet/troll who starts a thread and says stupid schit like "using a rest when you're hunting big game with a rifle is cheating," and the other announces he has a goal of reaching 5% body fat, meaning he has zero credibility on the subject and is a bullsh*tter.
You're keeping great company there sal.
Sure thing Polesmoker, keep on blathering on lol
Another homosexual reference with respect to firearm slang. Compelling and telling.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
Yeah, but to be fair you do actually have a life.
It isn't overly difficult to identify those on here that have a family and a life. Just as it is easy to see what those who prance around like girls are.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
I can post lots of stuff in the woods with stuff I have killed, and I fast.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
I can post lots of stuff in the woods with stuff I have killed, and I fast.
Fasting works for me.
I’m really glad it works for you, but is far from necessary to enjoy an active life.
You also don’t want to compare success in hunting/fishing, as you will never live long enough to fast and hunt as much as I have hunted fast…
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
I can post lots of stuff in the woods with stuff I have killed, and I fast.
Fasting works for me.
I’m really glad it works for you, but is far from necessary to enjoy an active life.
You also don’t want to compare success in hunting/fishing, as you will never live long enough to fast and hunt as much as I have hunted fast…
I only started Big Game when I was 32, got a couple of Very Big Boone and Crocket Animals with bows and rifles, and have killed more deer than I can remember. All self-trained and over 90% of my hunts Solo. I have done OK for myself.
I have said it before and I will say it again, there are a million better hunters than me. I was only responding to your comment about people who fast can't post pictures of animals they have killed.
Actually...I do have a question for the older fellows here. Has anyone else had their taste buds muted/dull as they got older?
.
OK, I'll out myself as an "older fellow." I think the answer is yes. I think a lot of people have a diminished sense of smell as they get older, and taste/smell go hand in hand. Mine is still OK, but lots of older people can't smell schidt.
As I have gotten older, I find I care less and less.
Most of the fasting and diet conscious posters can’t even post a picture of themselves out in the woods killing stuff. I have the best years behind me and I eat gluten free bacon, corn nuts and tootsie roll pops and enjoy what I taste without all the worry about when or how much…
I can post lots of stuff in the woods with stuff I have killed, and I fast.
Fasting works for me.
I’m really glad it works for you, but is far from necessary to enjoy an active life.
You also don’t want to compare success in hunting/fishing, as you will never live long enough to fast and hunt as much as I have hunted fast…
I only started Big Game when I was 32, got a couple of Very Big Boone and Crocket Animals, and have killed more deer than I can remember. All self-trained and over 90% of my hunts Solo. I have done OK for myself. I have said it before and I will say it again, there are a million better hunters than me. I was only responding to your comment about people that fast can't post pictures of animals they have killed.
CRAZY hey? All we are trying to do, is to show people an intelligent way to lose the lbs. that are making them miserable and to keep it off, and we get shat on by ignorant naysayers, and uninformed people. I have learned my lesson!
I will continue to live the Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle and frankly, I do not care what anyone thinks.
I worked out boxing with a personal trainer for an hour today. I hiked for half an hour in the woods today. I have only eaten beef, herring, and wild blackberries today.
Been a fisherman all my life, but had never fly-fished until a few years ago, when an old friend invited me. My very first fish on a flyrod was this 24" rainbow trout, taken on a 5-weight rig.
Competition successes have included striped marlin on 20# test, plus 32-1/2 lb and 34-1/2 lb salmon with 16# test on steelhead rod (32-1/2 lb got me in the Tyee Club).
Started working at 5:30, was able to post a bit as concrete was late, but once that started never stopped till 50 minutes ago. Ate Arby's about 10, will eat pizza when it gets here. Working out of town and staying in a motel is always chitty.
Funny as hell. Sitting here thinking about working out and ALWAYS TRYING TO GAIN WEIGHT all of my life.
Of course the gains were muscle because of the weight routine when younger.
Same applies today as an old fuqker though. Weight training to gain and maintain. The only difference is it’s easier to put on fat when not purposefully avoiding dietary fat and more difficult to gain muscle with lower testosterone levels than when you’re young.
Most people, and I’m sure the twats on this thread included, don’t lift. The keto BS would be abandoned quickly. But they don’t have to worry about it sitting on their couchcundts
Micronized Creatine works for muscle and strength gains and should be used by everyone, even if not weight training
Funny as hell. Sitting here thinking about working out and ALWAYS TRYING TO GAIN WEIGHT all of my life.
Of course the gains were muscle because of the weight routine when younger.
Same applies today as an old fuqker though. Weight training to gain and maintain. The only difference is it’s easier to put on fat when not purposefully avoiding dietary fat and more difficult to gain muscle with lower testosterone levels than when you’re young.
Most people, and I’m sure the twats on this thread included, don’t lift. The keto BS would be abandoned quickly. But they don’t have to worry about it sitting on their couchcundts
Micronized Creatine works for muscle and strength gains and should be used by everyone, even if not weight training
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
Impossible. You had pizza and a sandwich with bread.
You oughtta be ashamed of yourself.
I don't work as hard as you do but I did ride my bike 22 miles this afternoon. Hardly the workout of an elite athlete but it did allow me to put away the Jenny Craig sliderule calorie calculator.
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
I've caught a few salmon....Like a thousand. Western only..
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
Very nice shrapnel! Dry or wet fly? My biggest was 24 lbs. On the Matapédia River in Quebec.
Here was a great day on the water for me, caught all of these fish myself in about 6 hours in BC.
Very nice shrapnel! Dry or wet fly? My biggest was 24 lbs. On the Matapédia River in Quebec.
Green Highlander on a swing with a Loomis 9 foot 9 weight IMX flyrod which broke with that fish. I was fishing with Tom Morgan who owned Winston flyrods at the time and after I broke the rod, we both used his Winston until we were taken back to camp and I would get a new rod…
Another new low 196.4 this morning. Had a huge breakfast yesterday of a keto (almond flour) pancake with frozen strawberries. Then skipped lunch. Pretty good sized dinner of ground beef and onions with spinach in a tomato sauce. Glass of whole milk. Keto bar and Carbmaster pudding for dessert.
It's warm in September in the daytime here too. But it'll get down into the 30s at night up where we hunt so if you can find a good spruce or fir tree to hang the quarters on the lower limbs in the shade, the meat stays cold almost all day and then cools off again at night. Cold enough to make your hands ache when you bone it out for the pack out.
Here's my toughest hunt. 12-day walk-in sheep hunt in the Chugach. I got my ram on the last day I could hunt because it was a three-day walk out. The outfitter supplied the food and it was a total carb fest.
Here's my toughest hunt. 12-day walk-in sheep hunt in the Chugach. I got my ram on the last day I could hunt because it was a three-day walk out. The outfitter supplied the food and it was a total carb fest.
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
How tall are you?
The longest I have fasted is 120 hours, been putting off a serious fasting attempt I am 6' tall, I want to go to 185 which would put me <10% body fat, thinner than that I look like a cancer victim lol
This guy never fasted and could out walk, out hunt and even though he smoked, he could physically out do any fasters and probably ate over 3000 calories a day…
I believe it, however he was not working at a computer all day running a corporation like I do.
Here is one of my best friends who was a Rancher and a WWII Captain bomber pilot, he won the DFC after flying 32 of the deadliest bombing runs over Germany.
He was never over 190 lbs and he was 6'4", worked hard all his life, and lived to 101, he passed away two years ago, in his sleep. Great Hunter and Fisherman. He never fasted either, Flapjacks every morning lol
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
How tall are you?
The longest I have fasted is 120 hours, been putting off a serious fasting attempt I am 6' tall, I want to go to 185 which would put me <10% body fat, thinner than that I look like a cancer victim lol
Have Prolong Fasted 186 hrs. (7 full days, dinner to breakfast)
But don't see any appreciable benefit over a weekly 90 hr. Fast. (3 full days, dinner to breakfast)
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
Just curious pal, as I have been saying for several months, those that start fasting as I have been recommending, have you been realizing a weight loss of 1 to 1.5 lbs. per day?
I'll bet you are feeling better and better as you do it, correct?
Another new low 196.4 this morning. Had a huge breakfast yesterday of a keto (almond flour) pancake with frozen strawberries. Then skipped lunch. Pretty good sized dinner of ground beef and onions with spinach in a tomato sauce. Glass of whole milk. Keto bar and Carbmaster pudding for dessert.
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
Just curious pal, as I have been saying for several months, those that start fasting as I have been recommending, have you been realizing a weight loss of 1 to 1.5 lbs. per day?
I'll bet you are feeling better and better as you do it, correct?
Cheers, and have a great weekend
Thanks. 5'6", have lost ~16 lbs in ~4 weeks--very pleased with this progress. Can feel the weight loss in my feet (reduced swelling from inflammation, I'm pretty sure) legs and tummy. A bit in my arms. Have better range of motion due, in part, to reduced pain in my joints. Not taking as many pain killers (acetaminophen and naproxen sodium).
That's FANTASTIC pal! You are the man!!! Are you fasting?
You are motivating the hell out of me, that's for sure!
What is you weight goal?
Thanks. Intermittent fasting. Just playing it by ear. I think my body will tell me when I've taken it far enough. But perhaps 165 lbs seems about right.
Just curious pal, as I have been saying for several months, those that start fasting as I have been recommending, have you been realizing a weight loss of 1 to 1.5 lbs. per day?
I'll bet you are feeling better and better as you do it, correct?
Cheers, and have a great weekend
Thanks. 5'6", have lost ~16 lbs in ~4 weeks--very pleased with this progress. Can feel the weight loss in my feet (reduced swelling from inflammation, I'm pretty sure) legs and tummy. A bit in my arms. Have better range of motion due, in part, to reduced pain in my joints. Not taking as many pain killers (acetaminophen and naproxen sodium).
Yes sir, Inflammation is a BIG ONE that fasting cures, I'll bet you can run up and down the stairs now. Feels great doesn't it?
Originally Posted by Salmonella
Originally Posted by losttrail60
You can always count on the “look at me” pics from ol Sal. LOL
JFC..what pictures ever taken of a caught fish, a shot buck ever shared isn't a ""Look at Me" photo?
Climb back under your rock troll.
Lots of useless trolls here Salmonella, unfortunately!
Thanks. 5'6", have lost ~16 lbs in ~4 weeks--very pleased with this progress. Can feel the weight loss in my feet (reduced swelling from inflammation, I'm pretty sure) legs and tummy. A bit in my arms. Have better range of motion due, in part, to reduced pain in my joints. Not taking as many pain killers (acetaminophen and naproxen sodium).
Happy for you pal, I just might have to give that IM a try LOL.
Dinner is roast wild pork tenderloin, cabbage, scallions, avocado, yellow mustard, and Creole seasoning.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Good work GR!
pal has motivated me BIG TIME, on Monday I am starting with a 96-hour fast and not stopping until I see my abs, in my case easier said than done lol.
You have done a great service here, I have received PM's from people who wanted to and have started their own program, asking for advice.
As you already know, nothing feels better than looking good, eliminating all the common ailments that plague so many of us, and feeling GREAT!
IF has changed my life, I am so happy I have been doing it for 4 years.
Keep up your good work and I wish you a great weekend Sir!
Generally, the 72 hr. mark (Thursday dinner), is when eating becomes a physiological option.
Getting past that with some black dark roast coffee, and hittin' the Run/Gym/Handball before breakfast Friday is a very productive 18 hours.
So 90 hrs. (Monday dinner -> Friday breakfast) is easy to do, extremely beneficial, and still allows 4 full days of feeding for protein and fat requirements.
Tuesday's start is never a chore, just doing great, minus eating.
It's warm in September in the daytime here too. But it'll get down into the 30s at night up where we hunt so if you can find a good spruce or fir tree to hang the quarters on the lower limbs in the shade, the meat stays cold almost all day and then cools off again at night. Cold enough to make your hands ache when you bone it out for the pack out.
Normal temperatures archery elk hunting in Az are 70/80s during the day down to high 40s low 50s at night. I've taken many people out to kill elk in all the different seasons but my tags have been predominately archery season. Also desert deer hunting the late October temps can be in the 90s.
No need to panic, just get the hide off and the heat will leave the meat. This goes for any season even cold weather. Trapped heat will rot meat, no such thing as gaming taste it's starting to rot.
You kill an animal and the work immediately begins to process it. If you can't throw it in the truck and get it to camp quickly, Have the ability to bag the meat and hang it in the shade on the spot, it'll cool out the same as in camp. Take however long to pack it out.
Once I get it all back to camp I separate the muscles and bag into ice chests... throw all the waste out in the forest. Cut steaks and wrap at the house.
I have 1 strong coffee every morning with cream, while I am fasting, after that it's my homemade Electrolytes nothing else.
Never giving up my 1 coffee and cream in the morning, "From My Cold Dead Hand's" lol
I drink coffee and cream a lot too but even that small amount of cream can knock you out of enjoying the benefits of deep Autophagy. You will still be in ketosis and still burn fat and drop weight from fewer calories, but you should seriously look into the Autophagy part.
I started studying Autophagy several years ago to help reduce my excess skin from weight loss. I am convinced that it is the deep Autophagy that helped my knees and back and joint aches more than anything else.
I have 1 strong coffee every morning with cream, while I am fasting, after that it's my homemade Electrolytes nothing else.
Never giving up my 1 coffee and cream in the morning, "From My Cold Dead Hand's" lol
I drink coffee and cream a lot too but even that small amount of cream can knock you out of enjoying the benefits of deep Autophagy. You will still be in ketosis and still burn fat and drop weight from fewer calories, but you should seriously look into the Autophagy part.
I started studying Autophagy several years ago to help reduce my excess skin from weight loss. I am convinced that it is the deep Autophagy that helped my knees and back and joint aches more than anything else.
If you’re not eating for 3 to 5 days, you’re completely fuqked in the head and sedentary
Funnier than FUQK!!!
On the contrary, Obese one.
90 hr. Fast every week, Tues. dinner -> Fri. breakfast.
3-4 full Run/Gym/Handball days a week, plus a full work/field schedule.
What you don't understand, baby Huey, is being Human.
The Human body, in Ketosis, runs on fat - and the body stores it.
The Human body also recycles proteins and rejuvenates itself during Fasting through Autophagy.
Exercise, while in Ketosis and Fasting, increases the aerobic efficiency of the muscles to run on fat, to the point that they can equal or exceed anaerobic, short duration sugar performance from your baby food diet, and run indefinitely... while avoiding your Obesity and Metabolic Disease.
So, it turns out that exercise works better for autophagy.
Which lard-arse and slurpee know...they just don't want to actually get of their arse and do some work.
Originally Posted by ] Exercise also induces autophagy in muscle tissue[8-10
. Autophagy markers immediately increase after short bouts of intense exercise and also over the course of longer moderate-intensity training sessions.[8,10] Some researchers have sought to determine whether exercising after an extended fast may result in greater autophagy activation. However, one study found that exercise intensity was more powerful at inducing autophagy, independent of whether fasting was involved [9].
For the past three weekends I have resumed the Saturday fast to see for sure if there are any benefits or not. What is happening is that it gives the body time to clear out the guts, which for me seems to aid digestion and gut comfort.
Now that I purchased a Breath Ketone Meter and can get an EXACT KETONE READING.
I will post my daily reading AM and PM. It will be very interesting to see how long it will take me to get a reading of between 30 to 40, instead of getting a general color reading on the dam sticks.
My first fast will be 96 hours, I have no idea what the reading will be, but I do want to stay in the 35 to 40 range throughout the entire fasting process.
I will also list daily weight loss like pal is doing. My goal is to lose 30 lbs. or more and then back to OMAD.
So, it turns out that exercise works better for autophagy.
Which lard-arse and slurpee know...they just don't want to actually get of their arse and do some work.
Originally Posted by ] Exercise also induces autophagy in muscle tissue[8-10
. Autophagy markers immediately increase after short bouts of intense exercise and also over the course of longer moderate-intensity training sessions.[8,10] Some researchers have sought to determine whether exercising after an extended fast may result in greater autophagy activation. However, one study found that exercise intensity was more powerful at inducing autophagy, independent of whether fasting was involved [9].
Now that I purchased a Breath Ketone Meter and can get an EXACT KETONE READING.
I will post my daily reading AM and PM. It will be very interesting to see how long it will take me to get a reading of between 30 to 40, instead of getting a general color reading on the dam sticks.
My first fast will be 96 hours, I have no idea what the reading will be, but I do want to stay in the 35 to 40 range throughout the entire fasting process.
I will also list daily weight loss like pal is doing. My goal is to lose 30 lbs. or more and then back to OMAD.
No more of these until my goal is reached! lol
Only this, Meat!
Your goal is to lose 30lbs...and here you have been telling us that intermittent fasting has made you trim, taut, and terrific.
Don't tell us that you are just a lying cunt...that would be too hard to bear. Good thing the pretend doctor-wife can nurse you through these trying times.
So, it turns out that exercise works better for autophagy.
Which lard-arse and slurpee know...they just don't want to actually get of their arse and do some work.
Originally Posted by ] Exercise also induces autophagy in muscle tissue[8-10
. Autophagy markers immediately increase after short bouts of intense exercise and also over the course of longer moderate-intensity training sessions.[8,10] Some researchers have sought to determine whether exercising after an extended fast may result in greater autophagy activation. However, one study found that exercise intensity was more powerful at inducing autophagy, independent of whether fasting was involved [9].
Now that I purchased a Breath Ketone Meter and can get an EXACT KETONE READING.
I will post my daily reading AM and PM. It will be very interesting to see how long it will take me to get a reading of between 30 to 40, instead of getting a general color reading on the dam sticks.
My first fast will be 96 hours, I have no idea what the reading will be, but I do want to stay in the 35 to 40 range throughout the entire fasting process.
I will also list daily weight loss like pal is doing. My goal is to lose 30 lbs. or more and then back to OMAD.
No more of these until my goal is reached! lol
Only this, Meat!
Good. Because we’re tired of you looking like Big Stick took a bear burger dump.
So, it turns out that exercise works better for autophagy.
Which lard-arse and slurpee know...they just don't want to actually get of their arse and do some work.
Originally Posted by ] Exercise also induces autophagy in muscle tissue[8-10
. Autophagy markers immediately increase after short bouts of intense exercise and also over the course of longer moderate-intensity training sessions.[8,10] Some researchers have sought to determine whether exercising after an extended fast may result in greater autophagy activation. However, one study found that exercise intensity was more powerful at inducing autophagy, independent of whether fasting was involved [9].
I grew up fly fishing for Atlantic Salmon, what a blast.
I am doing my best to book a trip in Florida this winter for Giant Grouper, never done that before!
Atlantic Salmon August 1990, Northwest Russia. I went on an expedition to the Ponoy River on the Kola Peninsula to do exploratory fishing for Atlantic Salmon. I was as invited to go with Stu Apte, Gary Loomis, and a few other notable fly fishermen to find the best water on the Ponoy River to begin sport fishing just after the wall came down…
Hi Shrapnel, this is a picture of an Atlantic Salmon my father caught on the Matapédia River in Quebec, lots of big ones there back in the day. He truly was a Master Fly Fisherman and caught many that size 40+ Lbs. Took the picture from a picture hanging in my office so it's poor quality.
Another new low, 195.6 this morning. Fasted until 10:30 a.m. yesterday.
LOL. this got lost in the crossfire, nice work pal.
No, I noticed it...Pal is going great guns.
Thanks fellas. I'm on a mission--unstoppable.
Fasted until noon today. Then had what the local market calls a "poke bowl". This is very small amounts of raw tuna, imitation crab, cucumber, avocado on a large bed of rice (which I didn't eat). Wasn't enough so, at 4:00 pm, I had a keto bar and Carbmaster, plus a tablespoon of almond butter. Will continue now with this early dinner and have some leftover El Pollo Loco chicken before closing the eating window early today.
Foot swelling is way down. For the past 2 days I've been wearing those jeans I haven't been able to fit into for a couple years.
Another new low, 195.6 this morning. Fasted until 10:30 a.m. yesterday.
LOL. this got lost in the crossfire, nice work pal.
No, I noticed it...Pal is going great guns.
Thanks fellas. I'm on a mission--unstoppable.
Fasted until noon today. Then had what the local market calls a "poke bowl". This is very small amounts of raw tuna, imitation crab, cucumber, avocado on a large bed of rice (which I didn't eat). Wasn't enough so, at 4:00 pm, I had a keto bar and Carbmaster, plus a tablespoon of almond butter. Will continue now with this early dinner and have some leftover El Pollo Loco chicken before closing the eating window early today.
Foot swelling is way down. For the past 2 days I've been wearing those jeans I haven't been able to fit into for a couple years.
I am with you pal!
I and others have been telling people about inflammation being gone with Intermittent Fasting for a couple of months here now. I am proud of you Sir!
You got me motivated to drop all of the excess weight I start Monday. My better 1/2 just got back from Palm Springs and requested my Famous Sour Orange Pie, which I made today and will be eating tonight in our theater.
Starting Monday I am on a mission, starting with a 96-hour fast, a huge BBQ Steak, and another 96-hour fast, with my Electrolytes of course!
The longest I have fasted is 120 hours, been putting off a serious fasting attempt I am 6' tall, I want to go to 185 which would put me <10% body fat, thinner than that I look like a cancer victim lol
You would have to weigh 140lbs at 6ft to be 10% body fat. At 185lbs your BMI is 25.1 which is still considered overweight.
If you are 6ft and 215 now you are 29.2 BMI, 30 is obese.
I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about, just throwing words around that pop into your head. A trend throughout all your posts.
Well, thank you for your concern Kent, and I have to admit you are CORRECT!
I went from 265 to 200, looked and felt great, but according to the Government (who we all trust with our lives LMFAO) I WAS OBESE at 200 lbs. So point taken, without offense!
Since I lost the weight I just spoke of, and eating OMAD, I have been steadily gaining weight, my metabolism SUCKS BIG TIME!
I weighed myself this morning I am today 222, and based on Our Government's Obese Charts I am Super Morbidly Obese, go figure.
As I mentioned, because of pals post, I am now on a mission, I am starting back on my program on Monday within 60 days from Monday, September 25, I should weigh 180, which I have not weighed since I was 17, according to our Government I will still be OBESE and unless I purchase an Electric car and stop calling Biden a loser, I will always be OBESE LOL.
In any case I will post all of my results starting Monday, and we will see if what I have been saying for months is BS. Expect to see results that will confirm everything I have been saying all along.
I will no longer respond to Azzhole Trolls here, I will simply post my results.
No you won't be obese at 180, you can't read even the results. There's underweight, normal, overweight and obese.
Kent
Again all you will see me posting on this thread for the next 60 days is my Weight and my Keytone Number, period.
I will prove that everything I and many others have been saying all along is 100% accurate.
I will go from 222 to 180 in that timeframe. I am 6' tall and on the husky side, which is why I played Middle Linebacker for 15 years. I do not have a James Steward build.
No you won't be obese at 180, you can't read even the results. There's underweight, normal, overweight and obese.
Kent
Again all you will see me posting on this thread for the next 60 days is my Weight and my Keytone Number, period.
I will prove that everything I and many others have been saying all along is 100% accurate.
I will go from 222 to 180 in that timeframe. I am 6' tall and on the husky side, which is why I played Middle Linebacker for 15 years. I do not have a James Steward build.
You said the same about 2 months ago, I told you you wouldn't, you proved me right. You won't do it now.
You know, I just use the words you and Clark and GR write, and it pisses you guys off showing the bullchit.
Tell us hunters and fisherman again how IM is your lifestyle and hunting/fishing is a pass time... you don't even understand the dynamic of what that sounds like to hunters and fisherman you are trying to impress.
You are just another bullchitting bubba we all hear on the jobsite or bar or wherever.
Right from the beginning with the 1/4” all day long rifle he wants to sell (WTF?) and subsequent brown-nosing posts to try to make an ally in the fire.
His “other half” has found a gullible slave for sure.
Well, thank you for your concern Kent, and I have to admit you are CORRECT!
I went from 265 to 200, looked and felt great, but according to the Government (who we all trust with our lives LMFAO) I WAS OBESE at 200 lbs. So point taken, without offense!
Since I lost the weight I just spoke of, and eating OMAD, I have been steadily gaining weight, my metabolism SUCKS BIG TIME!
I weighed myself this morning I am today 222, and based on Our Government's Obese Charts I am Super Morbidly Obese, go figure.
As I mentioned, because of pals post, I am now on a mission, I am starting back on my program on Monday within 60 days from Monday, September 25, I should weigh 180, which I have not weighed since I was 17, according to our Government I will still be OBESE and unless I purchase an Electric car and stop calling Biden a loser, I will always be OBESE LOL.
In any case I will post all of my results starting Monday, and we will see if what I have been saying for months is BS. Expect to see results that will confirm everything I have been saying all along.
I will no longer respond to Azzhole Trolls here, I will simply post my results.
Not withstanding the minor point that for the past couple of months you have been telling us that we should do as you do, whilst you were steadily gaining weight.
Now you are determined to go from a healthy weight of 222 (at 6') to 180 because some .gov clown says that is too heavy.
Are you completely stupid?
Good grief, if this moron actually did run a company it would be broke.
Hey lard-arse, does that ewe thing refer to your online bestiality addiction. Better make sure it is all grown up lard-arse, or you will break it's legs with your fat frame.
From time beginning, you can physically work your body enough to control your weight and health... if you can't or won't do that you will have to control your eating... or not.
Folks have known this before internet/you tube research experts.
From time beginning, you can physically work your body enough to control your weight and health... if you can't or won't do that you will have to control your eating... or not.
Folks have known this before internet/you tube research experts.
From time beginning, you can physically work your body enough to control your weight and health... if you can't or won't do that you will have to control your eating... or not.
Folks have known this before internet/you tube research experts.
Kent
Correct...and there were no fatties in Changi.
There is nothing new in any of this...except to sedentary sloths that like to pretend some expertise they do not possess.
Leaving for another week of out of town work. That means eating out every meal. I won't gain weight, the work will take care of that. I don't like eating out much, home cooking is more better.
From time beginning, you can physically work your body enough to control your weight and health... if you can't or won't do that you will have to control your eating... or not.
Folks have known this before internet/you tube research experts.
Kent
You can work and control your body enough to stay thin. You cannot be healthy without a healthy diet.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
I like to turn that around and say “why would you eat low nutrient dense foods (like grains) when you can replace them with high nutrient dense foods?”
In other words, the low nutrient dense foods may not hurt you (in moderation) through their attributes, but rather through the fact they displace BETTER foods from your diet. They reduce your beneficial nutrient intake, as well as your nutrient variety.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
Unlike you most of us haven't been big fat 300 lbs slobs.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
Now we’re getting somewhere
Please explain the type of body you will build by feeding it a diet where 75% of calories come from fat
Go look in the front of this thread at my picture, Rick.
I get up at 4:00A.
- Drink 1.5 pints of water, and then a cup of black dark roast coffee. - Run or Boot Hike for 30 min. or 1 hr. - Work for an hour, and have a coupla cups of coffee. Then: - Spend a hour in the gym, on circuits(min. recovery) or opposing muscle group EMOMs(10-20 sec. recovery) - Play min. half-hour competitive 4-wall Handball.
- On 1.5 pints of water, and a few cups of coffee. - Haven't eaten since yesterday dinner(best case) or Four days ago dinner(worst case)
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired.
Then I have another 1.5 pints of water, a cup of coffee, maybe breakfast, and go back to work.
Human, like my picture in the front of this thread shows.
No obesity/metabolic disease/ailments/medications.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
You are misinformed.
ALL carbs are sugar, whether simple or folded, bonded starch. They all hit the stomach as sugar.
That starches are not even Human food, is that they need to be cooked to become digestible, where cooking fire has only been around maybe 500 thousand, and corn agriculture maybe 6 thousand, of our near Ten Million years of evolutionary history.
Oops, wrong thread... but I'll leave it. Not going to wade through this thread since I last posted re my blood sugar/weight loss homemade eating pattern, but will update.
I’m down 55 lbs. I hardly ever fast, don’t count calories and am off and on consistent with walking each day. I generally avoid carbs but don’t fixate on counting, and am rarely hungry. I usually eat a few fresh berries, a few pecans, olive oil every day, a few low carb veggies plus fish and meat (with whatever fat it has) as the main intake. If it gets more complicated, I'll opt out.
My usual low carb routine has been torpedoed for the past 6 weeks by a bunch of parties, weddings, family barbecues etc. and I’ve enjoyed it. I have eaten more carbs than my pattern for the previous 6 months, but have managed to keep the carb intake fairly low. That has upped my blood sugar 20-30 points some days (from 100 average to one high day of 130), and I’ve gained two pounds.
Someone commented way back that any adding of carbs, chocolate etc. creates a craving for more. That’s been true for me. It is easier to stay away from all the carbs I can. When I do that I don’t get hungry nor crave anything. Lack of hunger may just be me but I’m grateful as I’m not real disciplined. Am back on the wagon now. Oh, and feel better and am doing more hunting and gardening, etc.
Right from the beginning with the 1/4” all day long rifle he wants to sell (WTF?) and subsequent brown-nosing posts to try to make an ally in the fire.
His “other half” has found a gullible slave for sure.
Yeah, but that was because his knees are shot & he can't "mountain hunt", anymore.
But he's super fit n stuff.
It was pretty funny, him trying to tell swamplord, that he only shoots factory, Nosler Trophy Grade, with 180gr LRAB, in that light weight, long range .300 win mag !
Swamp delicately pointed out, that the 180gr LRAB, is not loaded in .300 win mag, for the nosler trophy grade product.
But, the 190gr LRAB is !
That was his last post, on his own thread, never came back.
Replacing food with caffeine isn’t as beneficial as you might think. While the stimulant effect of caffeine can be a good appetite suppressant it will elevate your blood pressure, especially if you’re drinking several cups several times a day….
Replacing food with caffeine isn’t as beneficial as you might think. While the stimulant effect of caffeine can be a good appetite suppressant it will elevate your blood pressure, especially if you’re drinking several cups several times a day….
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
You are misinformed.
ALL carbs are sugar, whether simple or folded, bonded starch. They all hit the stomach as sugar.
That starches are not even Human food, is that they need to be cooked to become digestible, where cooking fire has only been around maybe 500 thousand, and corn agriculture maybe 6 thousand, of our near Ten Million years of evolutionary history.
It's dog food.
You can eat anything you want.
GR
All carbs are NOT sugar. There is this thing scientists invented called a glycemic scale. It will tell you which foods cause your body to react the closest to pure glucose. Many foods containing carbohydrates are still very low on the glycemic scale. Broccoli, Kale, spinach, come to mind. Eat them raw if you want. They absolutely do contain many beneficial compounds just like many berries, fruits and nuts that can contain significant carbohydrates.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
You are misinformed.
ALL carbs are sugar, whether simple or folded, bonded starch. They all hit the stomach as sugar.
That starches are not even Human food, is that they need to be cooked to become digestible, where cooking fire has only been around maybe 500 thousand, and corn agriculture maybe 6 thousand, of our near Ten Million years of evolutionary history.
It's dog food.
You can eat anything you want.
GR
All carbs are NOT sugar. There is this thing scientists invented called a glycemic scale. It will tell you which foods cause your body to react the closest to pure glucose. Many foods containing carbohydrates are still very low on the glycemic scale. Broccoli, Kale, spinach, come to mind. Eat them raw if you want. They absolutely do contain many beneficial compounds just like many berries, fruits and nuts that can contain significant carbohydrates.
Net carbs., which are the calorie part, as opposed to fiber, is the sugar.
And if you are talking corn/wheat/potato/rice/etc.... it's dog food.
Net Carbs - as from low starch vegetables, can be utilized by the body and remain in Ketosis, usually < 20 gr./day.
But there are no other macronutrients besides Protein/Fat/Carbs(Sugar&Fiber).
Sugar is sugar, no matter where it comes from, as soon as it hits your stomach.
Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
Now we’re getting somewhere
Please explain the type of body you will build by feeding it a diet where 75% of calories come from fat
Go look in the front of this thread at my picture, Rick.
I get up at 4:00A.
- Drink 1.5 pints of water, and then a cup of black dark roast coffee. - Run or Boot Hike for 30 min. or 1 hr. - Work for an hour, and have a coupla cups of coffee. Then: - Spend a hour in the gym, on circuits(min. recovery) or opposing muscle group EMOMs(10-20 sec. recovery) - Play a min. half-hour competitive 4-wall Handball.
On 1.5 pints of water, and a few cups of coffee. Haven't eaten since yesterday dinner(best case) or Four days ago dinner(worst case)
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired.
Then I have another 1.5 pints of water, a cup of coffee, maybe breakfast, and go back to work.
Human, like my picture in the front of this thread shows.
No obesity/metabolic disease/ailments/medications.
Let's see... humans expanded their available food sources with agriculture and cooking, which created a superior human being, mentally and physically.
It's still the fault of the individual if they have damaged their own body after all the hard work our ancestors put in to advance us to this position.
Go look in the front of this thread at my picture, Rick.
I get up at 4:00A.
- Drink 1.5 pints of water, and then a cup of black dark roast coffee. - Run or Boot Hike for 30 min. or 1 hr. - Work for an hour, and have a coupla cups of coffee. Then: - Spend a hour in the gym, on circuits(min. recovery) or opposing muscle group EMOMs(10-20 sec. recovery) - Play a min. half-hour competitive 4-wall Handball.
On 1.5 pints of water, and a few cups of coffee. Haven't eaten since yesterday dinner(best case) or Four days ago dinner(worst case)
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired.
Then I have another 1.5 pints of water, a cup of coffee, maybe breakfast, and go back to work.
Human, like my picture in the front of this thread shows.
No obesity/metabolic disease/ailments/medications.
Human, like my picture in the front of this thread shows.
GR
I checked out the photo.
Happer Camper, eeerrrrr Elkslayer91, eeerrrr troll – perhaps you've got a pict a little more recent than 2015? Throw in an elk photo while you're at it - you never came through with one while masquerading as Elkslayer91.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
You are misinformed.
ALL carbs are sugar, whether simple or folded, bonded starch. They all hit the stomach as sugar.
That starches are not even Human food, is that they need to be cooked to become digestible, where cooking fire has only been around maybe 500 thousand, and corn agriculture maybe 6 thousand, of our near Ten Million years of evolutionary history.
It's dog food.
You can eat anything you want.
GR
All carbs are NOT sugar. There is this thing scientists invented called a glycemic scale. It will tell you which foods cause your body to react the closest to pure glucose. Many foods containing carbohydrates are still very low on the glycemic scale. Broccoli, Kale, spinach, come to mind. Eat them raw if you want. They absolutely do contain many beneficial compounds just like many berries, fruits and nuts that can contain significant carbohydrates.
Net carbs., which are the calorie part, as opposed to fiber, is the sugar.
And if you are talking corn/wheat/potato/rice/etc.... it's dog food.
Net Carbs - as from low starch vegetables, can be utilized by the body and remain in Ketosis, usually < 20 gr./day.
But there are no other macronutrients besides Protein/Fat/Carbs(Sugar&Fiber).
Sugar is sugar, no matter where it comes from, as soon as it hits your stomach.
GR
[color:#FF0000]But there are no other macronutrients besides Protein/Fat/Carbs(Sugar&Fiber).[/color]
What the %$& do you mean by this statement? There are certainly MANY micronutrients and vitamins contained in many whole foods both under and over 20 net carbs.
While I don't normally eat rice or potatoes, and feel they should be avoided for weight loss, both have resistant starch which can be very beneficial to overall health by supporting the gut microbiome.
Let's see... humans expanded their available food sources with agriculture and cooking, which created a superior human being, mentally and physically.
It's still the fault of the individual if they have damaged their own body after all the hard work our ancestors put in to advance us to this position.
Kent
Really, Kent?
Only to the ignorant or incurious.
8-10 Million years as Hominins.
2.5 Million years as Paleolithic Apex Predators.
250 Thousand years with cooking fire.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
So what is the Human diet?
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through eating sugar.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Try 20 thousand.
Apparently butter and dairy products are acceptable but humans have only been consuming them for around 6,000 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And you've been spouting bullsh*t since the day you learned to talk.
Human, like my picture in the front of this thread shows.
GR
I checked out the photo.
Happer Camper, eeerrrrr Elkslayer91, eeerrrr troll – perhaps you've got a pict a little more recent than 2015? Throw in an elk photo while you're at it - you never came through with one while masquerading as Elkslayer91.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Try 20 thousand.
Apparently butter and dairy products are acceptable but humans have only been consuming them for around 6,000 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And you've been spouting bullsh*t since the day you learned to talk.
"All carbs are sugar," what a dolt.
Where's your pic, fat-ass?
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Agricultural corn - is only ~ Three thousand years old in North America.
Tuber(potato) - must be cooked, and cooking fire is only ~ 250 thousand years old.
8-10 Million years of Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
And you, on sugar... obese and metabolically diseased.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Try 20 thousand.
Apparently butter and dairy products are acceptable but humans have only been consuming them for around 6,000 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And you've been spouting bullsh*t since the day you learned to talk.
"All carbs are sugar," what a dolt.
Where's your pic, fat-ass?
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Agricultural corn - is only ~ Three thousand years old in North America.
Tuber(potato) - must be cooked, and cooking fire is only ~ 250 thousand years old.
8-10 Million years of Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
And you, on sugar... obese and metabolically diseased.
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Try 20 thousand.
Apparently butter and dairy products are acceptable but humans have only been consuming them for around 6,000 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And you've been spouting bullsh*t since the day you learned to talk.
"All carbs are sugar," what a dolt.
Where's your pic, fat-ass?
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Agricultural corn - is only ~ Three thousand years old in North America.
Tuber(potato) - must be cooked, and cooking fire is only ~ 250 thousand years old.
8-10 Million years of Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
And you, on sugar... obese and metabolically diseased.
Ha!
GR
So, you only eat raw meat?
Meat - doesn't need to be cooked to be assimilated.
One day someone will let it slip that fruit, nuts, grains, corn, and most vegetables can be eaten raw...But at this point lard-arse is too busy sucking his meat to pay attention.
Lard-arse, the fat housebound turd that doesn't own a camera.
One day someone will let it slip that fruit, nuts, grains, corn, and most vegetables can be eaten raw...But at this point lard-arse is too busy sucking his meat to pay attention.
Lard-arse, the fat housebound turd that doesn't own a camera.
Fat food, fat-ass pussy.
The food of Human food.
... why ewe are obese and metabolically diseased as well.
Right from the beginning with the 1/4” all day long rifle he wants to sell (WTF?) and subsequent brown-nosing posts to try to make an ally in the fire.
His “other half” has found a gullible slave for sure.
Yeah, but that was because his knees are shot & he can't "mountain hunt", anymore.
But he's super fit n stuff.
It was pretty funny, him trying to tell swamplord, that he only shoots factory, Nosler Trophy Grade, with 180gr LRAB, in that light weight, long range .300 win mag !
Swamp delicately pointed out, that the 180gr LRAB, is not loaded in .300 win mag, for the nosler trophy grade product.
But, the 190gr LRAB is !
That was his last post, on his own thread, never came back.
Doesn't even know, what his 1/4" rifle shoots !
To be fair, only 17 shots fired !
Hi TROLL, I see your are at it again!
God, you are such a SKANKY HAG, OLD ELEPHANT EYES is what I call you now!
I simply made a mistake when I posted 180 gr. I was thinking of my Winchester SuperX which is that, lord forbid I made a mistake like that.
I can assure you TROLL If we were at a range I would make you look stupid with my vastly superior shooting skills. I can outshoot you with my BSA P17, you could not even afford a rifle like the one I own you Skanky, Hideous troll.
I can also outfish you, since I fished all over North America, while you catch baby walleyes in that little lake you fish in lol.
I did not set up the Rifle, it was modified by Corlane Sporting Corlane Sporting Goods Ltd which is the best company in Canada that builds long-range rifles IMO. After they modified Weatherby Ultra Lightweight by replacing the factory barrel fluting the barrel, then Glass Bedding, and free-floating it, they turned it into the Sub Moa Killing Machine it is today.
They tested many rounds out of the rifle at their 1000-yard range, by shooting many different factory rounds is how we came to the conclusion that the Nosler Trophy Grade APLR's in 190 grain was the round that the new barrel loved. I have not had to shoot it much and only needed to test it to confirm its accuracy.
A picture of the rifle.
This is my Sporterized P17, which you could not ever afford to own loser.
Now back to you! You still have not told us what the hole in your head is from? Looks about the same size as a .22 round.
You also never told us how you got to be so ugly and haggard looking at 56? Were you a crack addict in your youth? because you look like one. I think you were because you never smile in any of your pictures because your teeth have rotted out lol
Elephants have better skin than you, you are hideous lol
Being a good sport, I improved your hideous looks! I gave you beautiful Blue eyes and was even nice enough to cover up the hole in your head, you are welcome! lmao.
I can assure you AZZHOLE If we were at a range I would make you look stupid with my vastly superior shooting skills. I can outshoot you with my BSA P17, you could not even afford a rifle like the one I own you Skanky, Hideous troll.
I can also outfish you, since I fished all over North America, while you catch baby walleyes in that little lake you fish in lol.
“ The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills.
What causes the Dunning-Kruger effect? Confidence is so highly prized that many people would rather pretend to be smart or skilled than risk looking inadequate and losing face. Even smart people can be affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect because having intelligence isn’t the same thing as learning and developing a specific skill. Many individuals mistakenly believe that their experience and skills in one particular area are transferable to another.
Why do people fail to recognize their own incompetence? Many people would describe themselves as above average in intelligence, humor, and a variety of skills. They can’t accurately judge their own competence, because they lack metacognition, or the ability to step back and examine oneself objectively. In fact, those who are the least skilled are also the most likely to overestimate their abilities.“
A few Thousand years with processed grain/tuber/seed food.
Try 20 thousand.
Apparently butter and dairy products are acceptable but humans have only been consuming them for around 6,000 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And you've been spouting bullsh*t since the day you learned to talk.
"All carbs are sugar," what a dolt.
Where's your pic, fat-ass?
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Agricultural corn - is only ~ Three thousand years old in North America.
Tuber(potato) - must be cooked, and cooking fire is only ~ 250 thousand years old.
8-10 Million years of Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
And you, on sugar... obese and metabolically diseased.
Ha!
GR
So, you only eat raw meat?
He apparently also thinks "agricultural corn" is the only grain humans consume.
Talks out his ass so much, he needs to be posting on the IM farting thread.
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Already posted a link to a thread with many pics in it, dipshìt.
Fifteen miles from the take out point in the Chugach mtns., a place such as you've never been to and never will. With a Dall ram cape, horns, meat, camp gear, rifle, and three days of food to pack out on our backs. Didn't see any other people in there, much less fat asses.
Post a pic of any big game animal you ever killed, numbnuts.
And no, dairy products do not mimic meat dumbsh*t, humans need lactase to digest dairy products and the ability to produce lactase is a relatively recent development, within about the last 6,000 years.
You're an ignorant fool who knows jackschidt about human digestion and history, yet you spout off anyway. Which is almost as pathetic as being a worthless sock puppet.
You can have a healthy diet without fasting or being afraid to eat a piece of bread.
Yes you can, and some additional benefits can be had if fasting is also incorporated, regardless of what you eat.
You don't have to have a perfect diet to be healthy, but you certainly can't ignore your diet and eat mostly junk thinking you are fine as long as you are active and not fat. Your body can only be built out of the materials you give it to build with.
The big questions are how much junk is too much, and what is the junk we eat doing to us that we don't know about yet?
If one understands that all carbs are sugar, and that un-utilized sugar is corrosive, causes insulin spikes/crashes, is stored as fat, and drives addiction/starvation/obesity/metabolic disease?
Then an intelligent one would avoid it.
As Humans have for Eight million years... and counting.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
GR
No, I wouldn't say all carbs are sugar, or that all carbs are potentially harmful. There are lots of whole foods naturally high in carbohydrates that are very beneficial for health and should be incorporated into a healthy diet, (except) when someone is trying to lose fat.
I would not say the same for any highly processed foods high in carbohydrates or not. I regard all of them as potentially harmful.
You are misinformed.
ALL carbs are sugar, whether simple or folded, bonded starch. They all hit the stomach as sugar.
That starches are not even Human food, is that they need to be cooked to become digestible, where cooking fire has only been around maybe 500 thousand, and corn agriculture maybe 6 thousand, of our near Ten Million years of evolutionary history.
It's dog food.
You can eat anything you want.
GR
All carbs are NOT sugar. There is this thing scientists invented called a glycemic scale. It will tell you which foods cause your body to react the closest to pure glucose. Many foods containing carbohydrates are still very low on the glycemic scale. Broccoli, Kale, spinach, come to mind. Eat them raw if you want. They absolutely do contain many beneficial compounds just like many berries, fruits and nuts that can contain significant carbohydrates.
Net carbs., which are the calorie part, as opposed to fiber, is the sugar.
And if you are talking corn/wheat/potato/rice/etc.... it's dog food.
Net Carbs - as from low starch vegetables, can be utilized by the body and remain in Ketosis, usually < 20 gr./day.
But there are no other macronutrients besides Protein/Fat/Carbs(Sugar&Fiber).
Sugar is sugar, no matter where it comes from, as soon as it hits your stomach.
GR
[color:#FF0000]But there are no other macronutrients besides Protein/Fat/Carbs(Sugar&Fiber).[/color]
What the %$& do you mean by this statement? There are certainly MANY micronutrients and vitamins contained in many whole foods both under and over 20 net carbs.
While I don't normally eat rice or potatoes, and feel they should be avoided for weight loss, both have resistant starch which can be very beneficial to overall health by supporting the gut microbiome.
If you are expectin' to get any appreciable Microneutrients from well-watered agricultural fruits/tuber/feed lot vegetables?
... then you are just rearranging the deck-chairs on a nutritional Titanic.
They are either genetically bred, or GMO, high-yield Sugar-bombs, for making animals fat.
It's Dog Food.
You will find more micronutrients in the skin/peel.
Feed lot animals, on the other hand, have to be healthy, so they supplement their feed.
What don't you expect to get, sans salts, from animal meat/organs/fat, and some bank vegetables?
Butter and dairy - mimic meat, as they are an animal product, so the Human body can assimilate them.
Already posted a link to a thread with many pics in it, dipshìt.
Fat-ass coward.
Show us your obesity and metabolic disease, like the rest of the fat-asses.
Originally Posted by smokepole
And no, dairy products do not mimic meat dumbsh*t, humans need lactase to digest dairy products and the ability to produce lactase is a relatively recent development, within about the last 6,000 years.
And how long have Humans been eating dairy products, Copernicus?
And Cheese, dipshit, has no milk sugar in it, so it, in fact, does mimic meat, as it is an animal based product containing only animal protein and fat, just like meat.
Right from the beginning with the 1/4” all day long rifle he wants to sell (WTF?) and subsequent brown-nosing posts to try to make an ally in the fire.
His “other half” has found a gullible slave for sure.
Yeah, but that was because his knees are shot & he can't "mountain hunt", anymore.
But he's super fit n stuff.
It was pretty funny, him trying to tell swamplord, that he only shoots factory, Nosler Trophy Grade, with 180gr LRAB, in that light weight, long range .300 win mag !
Swamp delicately pointed out, that the 180gr LRAB, is not loaded in .300 win mag, for the nosler trophy grade product.
But, the 190gr LRAB is !
That was his last post, on his own thread, never came back.
Doesn't even know, what his 1/4" rifle shoots !
To be fair, only 17 shots fired !
Hey Troll, are you having a good evening cooking up your teensy-weensy Baby Walleye Fry?
Thought I would show you what a really good size Fresh Water Fish looks like.
I caught this Lake Sturgeon on the North Saskatchewan River two years ago, it weighed 54 lbs. I was 61 in that picture, notice the long flowing full head of Brown hair, compared to your bald ugly wrinkled cranium sprinkled with white hair? I was 5 years older than you are, then.
The walleye was hooked by me and I handed the rod to my lover/common-law wife, she was happy, and so was I. My 32", sure beats those teensy-weensy walleye Fry you catch, hey dummy? She sure is lucky I handed her my rod!
If you troll me one more time, you can expect that I will respond, it will not be flattering. So my good advice to you, is that you move on and find someone else to troll, got it Elephant eyes?
I wish you all the best in your Ho Hum Adventures troll lol.
Though long, I found this very interesting regarding the theoretically ideal duration and daily timing of the eating window. A to-the-point segment begins around 39:30.
194.8 this morning. 0.2 above my previous low. Fasted until noon yesterday.
You will have to stay active enough not to lower your metabolism after your body gets used to fasting. Doing good! I have finally got to 187 this morning. I'm about to go ride my Lemond a couple hours. I haven't eaten yet and will probably wait until around 3. Been doing one meal a day for a while. Yesterday I had 3, 12oz bags of frozen spinach cooked in olive oil with 3 eggs and 8 pickled jalapeno peppers.
My target is 170. I'm a skinny MFer at 170 and 6'2" tall. I've been there 3 years ago before I gave myself 2 hernias. That puts me in 29" waist jeans. I was a 48" waist when I started 5 years ago.
So, what happens to all the Sugar in the milk, when it's turned into cheese, fa9?
Where's your fat-ass obese metabolic diseased pic, fa9?
Why are you in this thread, fa9?
And who cares, fa9.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise
It's only Human
GR
LOL, #triggered. The sock puppet is triggered.
Humans have only been eating cheese for about the last 7,500 years dumbf*ck.
Whereas humans have been eating grains for 20,000 years. So by your own logic, we shouldn't be eating cheese.
Meaning your "logic" is anything but logical. Congratulations for outing yourself as ignorant, once more.
What happens to the milk Sugar when they make cheese, fa9?
Ha!
Agricultural corn is ~ 6,000 years old, and only ~ 3,000 in North America, fa9.
Before Agriculture, fa9, this is what wild corn(Teosinte) looked like:
All of which is academic, fa9, because Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment?
...for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
And as your obese, metabolically diseased pic will prove, fa9, eating Dog Food is unhealthy for humans.
What happens to the milk Sugar when they make cheese, fa9?
Ha!
Agricultural corn is ~ 6,000 years old, and only ~ 3,000 in North America, fa9.
Before Agriculture, fa9, this is what wild corn(Teosinte) looked like:
All of which is academic, fa9, because Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment?
...for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
And as your obese, metabolically diseased pic will prove, fa9, eating Dog Food is unhealthy for humans.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
LOL, more triggered than Roy Roger's saddle.
And my pic is there for all to see, numbnuts. Unlike yours, my pic is actually me. And there are members here who've met me and can verify that.
What happens to the milk Sugar when they make cheese, fa9?
Ha!
Agricultural corn is ~ 6,000 years old, and only ~ 3,000 in North America, fa9.
Before Agriculture, fa9, this is what wild corn(Teosinte) looked like:
All of which is academic, fa9, because Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment?
...for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
And as your obese, metabolically diseased pic will prove, fa9, eating Dog Food is unhealthy for humans.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
LOL, more triggered than Roy Roger's saddle.
And my pic is there for all to see, numbnuts. Unlike yours, my pic is actually me. And there are members here who've met me and can verify that.
Unlike you. You can't verify jack shìt.
What happens to the milk Sugar when they make cheese, fa9?
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9?
Because your obese, metabolically diseased pic will prove, fa9, eating Dog Food is unhealthy for humans.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9? R
LOL, the pics are right here, but you knew that because they're already posted on this thread. You're just afraid to look because you know you'll be triggered:
Unlike your pic, it's really me. And unlike you, members here can vouch for the fact that it's me. With a big game animal no less, also unlike you.
And humans have not been eating cheese for 8-10 million years, numbnuts. Cheese has only existed for 7,500 years. And cheese does in fact contain lactose, dipsh*t.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9? R
LOL, the pics are right here, but you knew that because they're already posted on this thread. You're just afraid to look because you know you'll be triggered:
Unlike your pic, it's really me. And unlike you, members here can vouch for the fact that it's me. With a big game animal no less, also unlike you.
And humans have not been eating cheese for 8-10 million years, numbnuts. Cheese has only existed for 7,500 years. And cheese does in fact contain lactose, dipsh*t.
I have very few sugar or carbs in most of what I eat. A lot of it is because I am somewhat lactose intolerant and I love cheese. Fortunately for me the type I like the most such as cheddar, mozzarella, Swiss, and Monterey Jack has almost no lactose in it because it is virtually eliminated in the making of it. This is true of almost all hard cheese.
It's true, some cheeses are very low in lactose, but you have to choose carefully.
And to say "cheese does not contain lactose" is just not true.
And to say "where is your picture" when I posted a link with multiple pics a week ago is just a worthless sock puppet trying to be as annoying as possible.
It's true, some cheeses are very low in lactose, but you have to choose carefully.
And to say "cheese does not contain lactose" is just not true.
I didn't say it doesn't contain lactose, but there is so little of it in hard cheese (not difficult to choose) that it is of no consequence. That is due to the way it is processed and virtually all of it is removed.
It's true, some cheeses are very low in lactose, but you have to choose carefully.
And to say "cheese does not contain lactose" is just not true.
And to say "where is your picture" when I posted a link with multiple pics a week ago is just a worthless sock puppet trying to be as annoying as possible.
Friggin' loser.
You edited more of your post to contain more comments directed at me that I never made.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9? R
LOL, the pics are right here, but you knew that because they're already posted on this thread. You're just afraid to look because you know you'll be triggered:
Unlike your pic, it's really me. And unlike you, members here can vouch for the fact that it's me. With a big game animal no less, also unlike you.
And humans have not been eating cheese for 8-10 million years, numbnuts. Cheese has only existed for 7,500 years. And cheese does in fact contain lactose, dipsh*t.
Dude,
since you say members will vouch for you, I'm gonna take it you didn't just upload those from the innanets like some other dude we know of.
You're older than I figured ( ) and probably richer too. That's some nice gear you used on that hunt. Better than a old M700 and a Tasco 3-9x
Nice ram and yep.....................pics or it didn't happen.
I'm eating tomato sauce, a pepper from the garden, 1/2 tomato from there too, some swiss and cheddar and Romano, some herbs from the garden and it's all on an 8" flour tortilla. Guess I ruin't that, eh?
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9? R
LOL, the pics are right here, but you knew that because they're already posted on this thread. You're just afraid to look because you know you'll be triggered:
Unlike your pic, it's really me. And unlike you, members here can vouch for the fact that it's me. With a big game animal no less, also unlike you.
And humans have not been eating cheese for 8-10 million years, numbnuts. Cheese has only existed for 7,500 years. And cheese does in fact contain lactose, dipsh*t.
Great looking ram.
How old were you on the sheep hunt? I am 60 and feel if I do not go in the next couple of years I may not be able to physically make the trip.
Chugach Mountains?
As far as the cheese, most of the harder aged cheeses are basically lactose free. I eat cheddar and goat cheese nearly everyday. From the interweb:
"Ninety percent or more of the lactose in milk is removed along with the water and whey during the cheesemaking process. The remaining lactose is fermented into lactic acid.” Hard cheeses contain less than one gram of lactose per 1.5 ounce serving. Butter, cream, cream cheese, and lactose-free products also all have less than one gram of lactose per serving."
How old were you on the sheep hunt? I am 60 and feel if I do not go in the next couple of years I may not be able to physically make the trip.
Chugach Mountains?
As far as the cheese, most of the harder aged cheeses are basically lactose free. I eat cheddar and goat cheese nearly everyday. From the interweb:
"Ninety percent or more of the lactose in milk is removed along with the water and whey during the cheesemaking process. The remaining lactose is fermented into lactic acid.” Hard cheeses contain less than one gram of lactose per 1.5 ounce serving. Butter, cream, cream cheese, and lactose-free products also all have less than one gram of lactose per serving."
Thanks Mike. If there's one good thing that can come out of this dumpster fire of a thread, it's being able to give some first-hand advice and encouragement on a Dall sheep hunt. I was 58 for that hunt and I feel like I could have pushed it another year or three. As long as I was still able to put in the time to get in top physical condition. I spent a lot of time on that in the gym, and in the hills west of town carrying a loaded pack up and down as much vertical as I could manage, a couple times a week and that hunt still thoroughly kicked my butt. The thing I'd do differently to prepare would be to spend more time hiking and climbing on rock, including loose rock like rip-rap on a dam face because there was a lot of that where we hunted. There's definitely a technique to carrying a heavy pack over all sizes of rocks, a lot of which will shift underfoot when you put weight on them. You have to have a light touch on the poles to maintain your balance but not put too much weight on them in case a pole or a rock shifts.
Anyway, the outfitter I went with did hunts in the Chugach, Alaska Range, and also the Brooks range IIRC. The way it was explained to me (and some of the Alaska guys like cwh2 can correct me here but you'd have to PM him because I'm sure he won't read this) the Chugach hunts were some of the more physically challenging because the terrain is generally tougher (key word generally) and where we hunted anyway was walk-in, no fly-ins allowed. So, you could work with the outfitter to get a hunt best suited to a 60 year-old. I know my outfitter said he'd done hunts with older guys. They also have the option to hire a packer to carry most of your stuff, in addition to the guide. I didn't do that (too cheap) but I'd definitely do it if I went back.
I haven't kept up with sheep numbers but I understand that the past few years have not been good for them, so that's something to consider in selecting an area to hunt. Might want to ask on the AK forum here, or others. There are a few guides who check in and know the numbers, as well as the difficulty of the hunts.
And on the cheese, yeah I know. The worthless sock puppet just likes to come on here and be as annoying as possible, I'm just giving him some payback.
since you say members will vouch for you, I'm gonna take it you didn't just upload those from the innanets like some other dude we know of.
You're older than I figured ( ) and probably richer too. That's some nice gear you used on that hunt. Better than a old M700 and a Tasco 3-9x
Nice ram and yep.....................pics or it didn't happen.
I'm eating tomato sauce, a pepper from the garden, 1/2 tomato from there too, some swiss and cheddar and Romano, some herbs from the garden and it's all on an 8" flour tortilla. Guess I ruin't that, eh?
Dude: If you're calling me old, I'm glad you're eating deadly carbs and nighshades because it means I won't have to put up with your bullsh*t much longer!!
But yeah, I actually did poach those photos off the interweb, I just looked for the handsomest, most rugged looking male specimen I could find.
It's true, some cheeses are very low in lactose, but you have to choose carefully.
And to say "cheese does not contain lactose" is just not true.
And to say "where is your picture" when I posted a link with multiple pics a week ago is just a worthless sock puppet trying to be as annoying as possible.
Friggin' loser.
So, What happens to the milk Sugar when they make cheese, fa9?
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, fa9, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Still no pic, either, huh, fa9.
Because your obese, metabolically diseased pic will prove eating Dog Food is unhealthy for humans.
And then show us on the doll, princess, where this Bogeyman of yours touched you inappropriately.
How old were you on the sheep hunt? I am 60 and feel if I do not go in the next couple of years I may not be able to physically make the trip.
Chugach Mountains?
As far as the cheese, most of the harder aged cheeses are basically lactose free. I eat cheddar and goat cheese nearly everyday. From the interweb:
"Ninety percent or more of the lactose in milk is removed along with the water and whey during the cheesemaking process. The remaining lactose is fermented into lactic acid.” Hard cheeses contain less than one gram of lactose per 1.5 ounce serving. Butter, cream, cream cheese, and lactose-free products also all have less than one gram of lactose per serving."
Thanks Mike. If there's one good thing that can come out of this dumpster fire of a thread, it's being able to give some first-hand advice and encouragement on a Dall sheep hunt. I was 58 for that hunt and I feel like I could have pushed it another year or three. As long as I was still able to put in the time to get in top physical condition. I spent a lot of time on that in the gym, and in the hills west of town carrying a loaded pack up and down as much vertical as I could manage, a couple times a week and that hunt still thoroughly kicked my butt. The thing I'd do differently to prepare would be to spend more time hiking and climbing on rock, including loose rock like rip-rap on a dam face because there was a lot of that where we hunted. There's definitely a technique to carrying a heavy pack over all sizes of rocks, a lot of which will shift underfoot when you put weight on them. You have to have a light touch on the poles to maintain your balance but not put too much weight on them in case a pole or a rock shifts.
Anyway, the outfitter I went with did hunts in the Chugach, Alaska Range, and also the Brooks range IIRC. The way it was explained to me (and some of the Alaska guys like cwh2 can correct me here but you'd have to PM him because I'm sure he won't read this) the Chugach hunts were some of the more physically challenging because the terrain is generally tougher (key word generally) and where we hunted anyway was walk-in, no fly-ins allowed. So, you could work with the outfitter to get a hunt best suited to a 60 year-old. I know my outfitter said he'd done hunts with older guys. They also have the option to hire a packer to carry most of your stuff, in addition to the guide. I didn't do that (too cheap) but I'd definitely do it if I went back.
I haven't kept up with sheep numbers but I understand that the past few years have not been good for them, so that's something to consider in selecting an area to hunt. Might want to ask on the AK forum here, or others. There are a few guides who check in and know the numbers, as well as the difficulty of the hunts.
And on the cheese, yeah I know. The worthless sock puppet just likes to come on here and be as annoying as possible, I'm just giving him some payback.
Thank you for the information. We can eat healthy and exercise but it is still impossible to turn that clock back, I think there are a couple of more years in my body for that hunt, maybe.
Day-3 of my weekly Three day Fast, and couldn't care less.
Boot hiked and sprinted for an hour, then went to work.
Thinkin' about food... which is good.
Not like hunger-pain sugar withdrawals that baby food eaters get every Three hours.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
As per normal, both sides of this shltshow have some valid points and both have plenty of less than valid ones. To muddy the waters, another angle to this debate is that evolution can happen much quicker than a lot of people think.
In the ~10,000 years since agriculture was devised, and the resulting changes in overall human diet it is thought to have had may be plenty of time for humans to have evolved different ‘optimal’ nutrition. Evolutionary biologists have bred some species of plants and fish—-and I believe some land animals too, and seen stark morphological changes within just a couple of generations, depending upon what conditions those plants/animals were subject to. With that in mind, I don’t think it is unreasonable to at least consider that human dietary needs may have evolved in the past several millennia since agriculture came about, let alone “Eight-to-Ten MILLION years”.
As per normal, both sides of this shltshow have some valid points and both have plenty of less than valid ones. To muddy the waters, another angle to this debate is that evolution can happen much quicker than a lot of people think.
In the ~10,000 years since agriculture was devised, and the resulting changes in overall human diet it is thought to have had may be plenty of time for humans to have evolved different ‘optimal’ nutrition. Evolutionary biologists have bred some species of plants and fish—-and I believe some land animals too, and seen stark morphological changes within just a couple of generations, depending upon what conditions those plants/animals were subject to. With that in mind, I don’t think it is unreasonable to at least consider that human dietary needs may have evolved in the past several millennia since agriculture came about, let alone “Eight-to-Ten MILLION years”.
Humans - have not "evolved" since the advent of agriculture... they have been victimized by it.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through agricultural sugar/starch food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Humans - have not "evolved" since the advent of agriculture... they have been victimized by it.
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through agricultural sugar/starch food.
"And over Half the people that are in the hospital, today, right now in the United States... ... are in there for Metabolic issues... because of what they ate."
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Interesting, even ringdingaling is quicker than you. Lard-arse, you are an abysmal failure and a complete waste of resources.
The plants available to cavemen could not be digested by cavemen. Europeans have been eating grain for thousands of years and can stay healthy until age 40 on carbs. Native Americans have been eating grain for a hundred years and can stay healthy until 20 on carbs.
When I reached 40 I put on 35 pounds and had high blood pressure. At age 64 I went on the keto diet, lost the 35 pounds and lost the high blood pressure.
When my wife went keto at age 59 she lost 35 pounds revealing that she has the figure of a young movie star.
This reads like it was written by the founder of PETA.
New low, 194.4 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
GOOD WORK pal,
I have lost 5 lbs since Sunday, I was sitting on the fence enjoying my great cooking until your posts motivated me to get into the best shape of my "Old Age" lol
This reads like it was written by the founder of PETA.
New low, 194.4 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
GOOD WORK pal,
I have lost 5 lbs since Sunday...
Thanks. Good man. Now you have inertia on your side.
Two sausage/egg McMuffins (without the muffins) for breakfast this morning. Then fasted until dinner. Besides my boat work, I went sailing and helped a friend sell his boat today. So we celebrated by going out for a magnificent dinner at Tony P's restaurant, here in the Marina. Delicious tilapia stuffed with shrimp and crab, plus a tossed salad and cooked vegetables. This was the first big meal I've had since the huge breakfast I ate following the colonoscopy last month.
This reads like it was written by the founder of PETA.
New low, 194.4 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
WTG!
Similar trajectory here. I was 253 a year ago and was 198.2 this morning, blood sugar 113. 192 has been my lowest, a few weeks ago but I've been enjoying barbecues, family get togethers, weddings and parties. Just re-started my regular pattern of very low carbs, meat and fish and a few low carb veggies either raw or stir fried in olive oil till half done. I suppose when I skip breakfast it is fasting, and if I didn't take a lunch and the salmon are biting I fast all day!
...New low, 194.4 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
WTG!
...meat and fish and a few low carb veggies either raw or stir fried in olive oil till half done...
Thanks.
I really like the stir fried vegetables too. Not many teeth left that match up with anything. So cooking the vegetables helps with that. Fish is ideal for me and it is preferred anyway.
Day-1 of my 4-day Feed, after the 3-day(90 hr.) Fast.
Run/Work/Gym/Handball, and hit every mark.
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired... and haven't eaten since Monday dinner.
Then breakfast(4 eggs in butter/3 slices Mozzarella cheese/1/2 Avocado), and back to work.
Myopic flat-earth Dog-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
They are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Thanks. Just recently started noticing the muscle definition in the tops and sides of my thighs, and the vein definition underneath my forearms. So it's working. To be precise: what is working is a combination of low carbs (meaning no pasta, rice, potatoes, bread, pastry, cereal, sugar...) plus intermittent fasting (meaning never eating anything at all from an early dinner until breakfast or lunch). Skipping breakfast most days. Only water, diet soda or sports drink while fasting.
Day-1 of my 4-day Feed, after the 3-day(90 hr.) Fast.
Run/Work/Gym/Handball, and hit every mark.
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired... and haven't eaten since Monday dinner.
Then breakfast(4 eggs in butter/3 slices Mozzarella cheese/1/2 Avocado), and back to work.
Myopic flat-earth Dog-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
They are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Hey G'ranimal, post a pic of a big game animal you've killed.
Day-1 of my 4-day Feed, after the 3-day(90 hr.) Fast.
Run/Work/Gym/Handball, and hit every mark.
Never thirsty/hungry/weak/tired... and haven't eaten since Monday dinner.
Then breakfast(4 eggs in butter/3 slices Mozzarella cheese/1/2 Avocado), and back to work.
Myopic flat-earth Dog-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
They are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Hey G'ranimal, post a pic of a big game animal you've killed.
Participation trophies, in a Health and Fitness thread?
You could post pictures of yourself next to a nail you drove with a hammer, or maybe at the meat counter of the market.
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR[/quote]
And their life expectancy was probably half of what it is today. Lots of reasons for that.
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Kent
Serious question and no argument either way. Do you really think doughnuts, fast food, snacks, and candy is healthy as long as you aren't getting fat from it? Or Are you just so old that you figure if that stuff does cut down your life expectancy in some way, it doesn't matter anymore?
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Kent
Serious question and no argument either way. Do you really think doughnuts, fast food, snacks, and candy is healthy as long as you aren't getting fat from it? Or Are you just so old that you figure if that stuff does cut down your life expectancy in some way, it doesn't matter anymore?
These flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And because of this, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been living on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Kent
Serious question and no argument either way.......
LOL, "no argument either way?"
Sure, and "I don't mean to be rude" but you're a dumbass
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Kent
Serious question and no argument either way.......
LOL, "no argument either way?"
Sure, and "I don't mean to be rude" but you're a dumbass
All I'm saying is I won't come back with an argument. Are you too stupid to understand that?
Just home from this week's work, worked 6 to 6 every day but today worked till 12 then 3hrs drive home.
I decided to try and gain weight, ate everything I could... donuts at 5:30, double plate breakfast with B&G at 10, fast food at 2, a big mexican or american meal at 6:30 every day.
Snacks/candy...
Figured I'd gain 5 lbs at least.
Got home and couldn't make the scale get to 170lbs... started the week at 171+... lost over a pound.
Obviously I was consuming the amount of calories needed to maintain energy output.
Kent
Serious question and no argument either way.......
LOL, "no argument either way?"
Sure, and "I don't mean to be rude" but you're a dumbass
All I'm saying is I won't come back with an argument. Are you too stupid to understand that?
You came back with an argument in your next sentence in that post. And "I don't mean to be rude" but I don't need to ask if you're too stupid to understand that.
Anything you eat is healthy, just an energy source, at a level that is used and not stored.
Ketosis is an alternative to activity. It's a viable alternative for those that can't or even won't put in the work to keep in shape. Someone who keeps in shape working is healthy and stronger/ can endure more than a dieter who keeps weight down.
I have no intention being a bobble head twig. I finally weigh what I've always wanted to, most of the extra weight is my lower body, I always had big enough arms/shoulders/chest, from working, but had no butt and chicken legs. My thighs were 17 inches and now 20, I've evened out. Still wear medium shirts and 31/32 pants.
I am not good looking or pretty, but no one would describe me as old physically. A concrete truck driver I've known since he was in his 20s, an elk/deer guide, 10 years younger than me, recently asked me how old I was... I said 65,,, he said no way you walk like a 40 year old... I play golf with a big group of guys, younger guys are or were college athletes, even an olympic gold metal winner played until he moved. Anyway a young guy who played baseball and golf in college at the time, usually we joke around and tease a lot, we were teeing off the 12th hole one day and he looked at me and asked serious like... how old are you... 64... Wow you will live to be 100.
Most of the old hands and outdoorsmen I knew when I was young didn't die from what they ate, back then they smoked and or worked in environments that were hazardous, yet still lived well into their 80s and 90s.
If I die 'young' it'll be a cancer, accident or mother nature that gets me... not sugar...
2 grocery store donuts or packaged... 450 to 500 cal
Breakfast was 2 eggs, 4 bacon, hash browns and B&G at the good restaurant 4 mornings, 1 morning I had a pancake instead of B&G... I'm getting about 2000 cal
McDonalds or Arbys at about 2pm... Looks like their meals are 1000 cal
Dinner was variable maybe 1000 to 1500 cal
Snacks 300 to 500 cal
Probably averaged 5000 cal a day.
I couldn't do any better, that was all I could force down.
2 grocery store donuts or packaged... 450 to 500 cal
Breakfast was 2 eggs, 4 bacon, hash browns and B&G at the good restaurant 4 mornings, 1 morning I had a pancake instead of B&G... I'm getting about 2000 cal
McDonalds or Arbys at about 2pm... Looks like their meals are 1000 cal
Dinner was variable maybe 1000 to 1500 cal
Snacks 300 to 500 cal
Probably averaged 5000 cal a day.
I couldn't do any better, that was all I could force down.
Anything you eat is healthy, just an energy source, at a level that is used and not stored.
Ketosis is an alternative to activity. It's a viable alternative for those that can't or even won't put in the work to keep in shape. Someone who keeps in shape working is healthy and stronger/ can endure more than a dieter who keeps weight down.
I have no intention being a bobble head twig. I finally weigh what I've always wanted to, most of the extra weight is my lower body, I always had big enough arms/shoulders/chest, from working, but had no butt and chicken legs. My thighs were 17 inches and now 20, I've evened out. Still wear medium shirts and 31/32 pants.
I am not good looking or pretty, but no one would describe me as old physically. A concrete truck driver I've known since he was in his 20s, an elk/deer guide, 10 years younger than me, recently asked me how old I was... I said 65,,, he said no way you walk like a 40 year old... I play golf with a big group of guys, younger guys are or were college athletes, even an olympic gold metal winner played until he moved. Anyway a young guy who played baseball and golf in college at the time, usually we joke around and tease a lot, we were teeing off the 12th hole one day and he looked at me and asked serious like... how old are you... 64... Wow you will live to be 100.
Most of the old hands and outdoorsmen I knew when I was young didn't die from what they ate, back then they smoked and or worked in environments that were hazardous, yet still lived well into their 80s and 90s.
If I die 'young' it'll be a cancer, accident or mother nature that gets me... not sugar...
Kent
Thanks for the answer. I honestly just wanted to see how you think. Best wishes.
Anything you eat is healthy, just an energy source, at a level that is used and not stored.
If I die 'young' it'll be a cancer, accident or mother nature that gets me... not sugar...
Kent
Thanks for the answer. I honestly just wanted to see how you think. Best wishes.
Carbs cause cancer, and sugar is a bad carb.
Excess calories from added sugars can increase inflammation and oxidative stress. Some inflammation and oxidative stress is necessary for good health, but too much can lead to several diseases and conditions, including cancer ( 19 , 20 , 21 ).Jan 7, 2019
Excess and too much, every googled source says that.
I've said it every time.
If you are using it and not storing it there's no excess.
There's no 'thinking' a reality, there is only reality, and you deal with it.
I thought once I could save weight backpack hunting eating jerky and nuts... didn't work, all I did was hunt less and quit early, didn't have the energy... that's what I got for thinking...
Please tell me that there is a wide variety of pork rinds and that some are much better than others. I tried several, basically looking for a low carb snack food. I found them to taste awful and could hardly choke them down. I’m definitely safe from overindulgence where pork rinds are concerned. 😳
About like me. I average around 40 grams of carbs per day and feel great.
I guess I am so weak this 11 1/2 alligator jumped in my boat on its own. Actually I pulled it in by myself since I was hunting alone.
I remember when manly men ate meat.
Just finished filling 66 alligator tags. That makes for some long days in the boat, I actually felt better the last day of running than I did the first day.
Well, yesterday I took it easy around the house with the grandkids, made them breakfast at 7:30 so ate then, then I made roast, potatoes, carrots in the pot for dinner... so lite eating day.
It's really that easy, eat depending on the day and you will stay trim.
Headed up to the cabin this morning with the wife and grandkids, they have fall break. I have some work to do on the cabin but nothing strenuous, Get the grandson out for his first squirrel hunt and fishing also.
The idiots on this thread with their dietary IQ’s and food choices never fail to amaze and entertain.
Gotta be democrats because only democrats are this stupid
Originally Posted by krp
Anybody that say's they live a monolithic groundhog day life and eat a monolithic groundhog day diet... is full of chit or to be pitied.
Kent
Flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And because of this, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Ha!
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
It's a myth that humans ate mostly meat and only low starch vegetation. There's evidence
They ate whatever was available in the area and season... as any life form does.
As far as sugar goes, honey was a big staple and highly sought after making a large part of their diet. Honey is sugar and water.
Agriculture expanded the variety, availability, reserves.
Kent ....................................................
In 2012, Dr Berna reported in the journal PNAS that his team had unearthed traces of burnt bones and ashed plant remains in the Wonderwerk Cave in South Africa, which they estimated to be a million years old. At the time, they believed these were the earliest 'unambiguous evidence' for hominins controlling fires. The culprit would have been one of the progenitors of our species, either Homo ergaster or Homo erectus. But now he says he has found traces of fire that are even older from the same cave, which they date to between 1.6 and two million years ago – their results will be published in the coming year.
Early hominins would have taken things to the next level by capturing flames from a wildfire, bringing them to a contained hearth, and keeping a fire going by continually adding fuel. Our ancient ancestors Homo habilis, and possibly Australopithecus, would have maintained fires in this way at the two-million-year-old site Berna investigates, he says.
Most of the oldest sites in Europe that indicate regular fire use range between 300,000 and 400,000 years old, though a handful of sites are even older, notably Qesem in Israel, approximately 780,000 years old, and Cueva Negra in Spain, 800,000 years old. But these only indicate fire use – not fire creation.
Our cousins, it would seem, could use fire, but not make it on a constant basis. “At some Neanderthal sites you find hearths that have absolutely enormous amounts of ashes, which implies they had to keep a fire going constantly because they didn’t know how to start it again if it went out,” says Berna.
Flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And they brag about their drug culture, ignorant to Sobriety.
And, because of that, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Problem with bullchiters is they are constantly contradicting themselves......
And when they're not contradicting themselves they're contradicting common sense.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
... and your flat-earth dog-food diet has given you metabolic disease related dementia.
Question: do you eat any carbs, to include natural sugars (apples, carrots, sweet potatoes, etc.) or just cut out the simple carbs and added sugars?
I can totally get on board with eliminating white bread and white rice, etc. but am hesitant to do so with fruit, starchy vegetables and whole grains, at least totally eliminating them.
You’ve got a system that obviously works for you and that’s awesome. I’m constantly searching for nutritional nirvana and am not ready to give up fruit and starchy vegetables.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
If it weren't for the heartfelt butthurt the clown displays it would be very easy to think it was an AI doing the posting...no experience, constant repetition, no pictures...just nothing of any type of substance.
Not much progress, but a new low this morning, 193.0 Fasted until 11:00 am.
Great work pal!
Just out of curiosity, how much better do you feel now compared to when you started this journey if you were to put it into a percentage?
I am eating tonight, then I am doing a 72-hour fast, a BBQ Standing Rib Roast dinner (all I can eat) followed by a 96-hour.
I have to keep up with the winners hehe
Thanks.
Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damned lies and statistics." So I'll just say that, before I began the diet, I was taking 1 acetaminophen plus 2 naproxen sodium every day for joint pain and inflammation. In the past couple weeks I believe I've taken it once.
Not wading into the BS, but down 45lbs since Feb. 228lbs to 183lbs @ 5’10”. Simple as walking 1 1/2 miles most evenings, on the gravel roads around the house or the treadmill. Eggs and meat for breakfast, salad or chicken tacos or similar for lunch, reasonable dinner of lean meat (pork, chicken, beef or venison) usually grilled with fresh veg from the garden. Cut out most bread, but still eat a little pasta and still eat rice No sugar other than alcohol (bourbon) which I’m not giving up. Snacks are apples, grapes, pineapple, dried fruit, olives, cheeses, nuts, jerky. IMHO, cutting out processed foods and eating fresh veg from the garden and lean meat and proteins (eggs, black beans etc.) works for me. My goal is 175lbs so probably end of Nov I’ll be there. At 51 I feel a lot better. Energy/stamina way better than the young guys on my crews, joint pain less etc.. Biggest issue is good sleep which still escapes me due to stress. Working on an exit plan from the business which will cure that.
Everyone should do whatever necessary to maintain a healthy weight. I've already said I do different things depending on what is happening at the moment.
It has worked for me my entire life, I've never been overweight, much of it underweight.
Last week I had to eat as much as possible. This week is different, I'm only mildly active and eating much lighter, two meals a day.
Today I woke up to elk bugling, granddaughter and I walked up the road and she called the bull up. Then took the grandson squirrel hunting for his first kill, walked about 2 miles. Then in the afternoon the granddaughter wanted to hike so we went up the creek to it's headwaters springs, a couple more miles. Piddled around the cabin getting stuff ready for some major work after I take the family back home tomorrow... a light day.
I understand that that may be a heavy active day for many and they need to diet different than me to stay trim. They need to understand it's not the best way or how 'humans' have done it for millions of years.
It may be the only way for many in today's world... but that's not my fault.
My light day. I even had a cow elk eating past the dining room window at dinner.
Everyone should do whatever necessary to maintain a healthy weight. I've already said I do different things depending on what is happening at the moment.
It has worked for me my entire life, I've never been overweight, much of it underweight.
Last week I had to eat as much as possible. This week is different, I'm only mildly active and eating much lighter, two meals a day.
Today I woke up to elk bugling, granddaughter and I walked up the road and she called the bull up. Then took the grandson squirrel hunting for his first kill, walked about 2 miles. Then in the afternoon the granddaughter wanted to hike so we went up the creek to it's headwaters springs, a couple more miles. Piddled around the cabin getting stuff ready for some major work after I take the family back home tomorrow... a light day.
I understand that that may be a heavy active day for many and they need to diet different than me to stay trim. They need to understand it's not the best way or how 'humans' have done it for millions of years.
It may be the only way for many in today's world... but that's not my fault.
My light day. I even had a cow elk eating past the dining room window at dinner.
As far as who's a winner here...
I don't say this to many people...but fella, you have made it!
Everyone should do whatever necessary to maintain a healthy weight. I've already said I do different things depending on what is happening at the moment.
It has worked for me my entire life, I've never been overweight, much of it underweight.
Last week I had to eat as much as possible. This week is different, I'm only mildly active and eating much lighter, two meals a day.
Today I woke up to elk bugling, granddaughter and I walked up the road and she called the bull up. Then took the grandson squirrel hunting for his first kill, walked about 2 miles. Then in the afternoon the granddaughter wanted to hike so we went up the creek to it's headwaters springs, a couple more miles. Piddled around the cabin getting stuff ready for some major work after I take the family back home tomorrow... a light day.
I understand that that may be a heavy active day for many and they need to diet different than me to stay trim. They need to understand it's not the best way or how 'humans' have done it for millions of years.
It may be the only way for many in today's world... but that's not my fault.
My light day. I even had a cow elk eating past the dining room window at dinner.
As far as who's a winner here...
I don't say this to many people...but fella, you have made it!
Thanks, a lot of hard work with the grandkids from the day they were born. My wife was their daycare until school. We decided to make the commitment along with our daughter and sil,. Wife really set them up educational wise, I did what I could also. It's still ongoing, they spend at least 1 night a week with us, have their own rooms at the house.
Thanks, a lot of hard work with the grandkids from the day they were born. My wife was their daycare until school. We decided to make the commitment along with our daughter and sil,. Wife really set them up educational wise, I did what I could also. It's still ongoing, they spend at least 1 night a week with us, have their own rooms at the house.
Yep, I'm not impressed with some old dude strutting around thinking he's still a chick magnet... uh you aren't... unless 50/60 yo women are chicks now. Show me what you do to help younger people in the outdoors, sports, education life... that impresses me.
Yep, I'm not impressed with some old dude strutting around thinking he's still a chick magnet... uh you aren't... unless 50/60 yo women are chicks now. Show me what you do to help younger people in the outdoors, sports, education life... that impresses me.
Kent
Aw come on, post up another pic of yourself, with just yourself in it. We're all dying to see it again.
Who's got time for all that? I'm off to play handball, practice my Jack Lalane calisthenics, do a 3-mile hike in my "field boots," and then shoot my WWII rifle from various field positions just in case I actually go on a hunt some day. All while I'm "working."
Because, if you haven't noticed, I'm kind of awesome. I really don't like to talk about how awesome I am, so you might have missed that.
Thanks, a lot of hard work with the grandkids from the day they were born. My wife was their daycare until school. We decided to make the commitment along with our daughter and sil,. Wife really set them up educational wise, I did what I could also. It's still ongoing, they spend at least 1 night a week with us, have their own rooms at the house.
Also someone bragging they've had over 100 women isn't impressive, means you can't get one to keep you, they dump you.
Maybe if this was a swingers site.
Kent
I get bored easily, and I enjoy Dear Hunting, plus the ladies dig me.
Most men have to settle because they are Butt Ugly and when they finally convince some poor woman to settle for them, the woman only agrees because of the promise to hand over their credit cards to the poor woman, with unlimited use of course.
I get bored easily, and I enjoy 2 legged Dear hunting, plus the ladies dig me.
Most men have to settle because they are Butt Ugly and when they finally convince some poor woman to settle for them, the woman only agrees because of the promise to hand over their credit cards to the poor woman, with unlimited use of course.
I get bored easily, and I enjoy 2 legged Dear hunting, plus the ladies dig me.
Most men have to settle because they are Butt Ugly and when they finally convince some poor woman to settle for them, the woman only agrees because of the promise to hand over their credit cards to the poor woman, with unlimited use of course.
I did not mention anyone in particular, it was a generalized observation.
Just to make it plain. Were I to walk past whilst you were bleeding out on the ground I wouldn't even stop to watch.
That's what makes us different mate, if I were to walk past you whilst you were bleeding out on the ground, I would kick you really hard in the nutz, to see if you were alive. If you were alive I would call an ambulance for you!
That's what makes us different mate, if I were to walk past you whilst you were bleeding out on the ground, I would kick you really hard in the nutz, to see if you were alive. If you were alive I would call an ambulance for you!
Slurpee...you are too stupidly self engrossed to be crossing wits with anyone...best you stick with what you know. Lie some more.
That's what makes us different mate, if I were to walk past you whilst you were bleeding out on the ground, I would kick you really hard in the nutz, to see if you were alive. If you were alive I would call an ambulance for you!
Slurpee...you are too stupidly self engrossed to be crossing wits with anyone...best you stick with what you know. Lie some more.
You are the dumbest ahole on this site. Do us all a favor, go on a year-long Walkabout, and replenish your honey stock, moron.
Slurpee...you are too stupidly self engrossed to be crossing wits with anyone...best you stick with what you know. Lie some more.
You are the dumbest ahole on this site. Do us all a favor, go on a year-long Walkabout, and replenish your honey stock, moron.
Slurpee...tell us again how you are going to only post your weight every four days, then follow up with how marvellously slim you are at 222lbs. Then maybe post a picture of your current doctor-wife holding a fish, then perhaps regale us with romping tales about how rich and irresistible you think you are.
And when you are finished you can show us a picture of an old rifle your father had made up...that no one else but you can afford.
Close your mouth slurpee, you are dribbling some of what you have been sucking.
Pleasin' ewe - is a ram's work, so look elsewhere (and face the other direction).
And enjoy ewe'r Dog Food diet, Sugar Addiction, and metabolic disease related Dementia.
And, of course, ewe'r jerkin' off, pussy.
The boots are really great, too.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
I know you are too embarrassed to show yourself you fat indolent turd, how about a picture of just one thing you have managed to accomplish all by yourself.
What is holding you back lard-arse...being a sock puppet, or just a lying turd.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Dr Ken Berry was a doctor who weighed 300 pounds, had high blood pressure, etc. He went low carbs, lost the weight, and got healthy. Then he wrote the book "Lies My Doctor Told Me".
Dr Ken Berry was a doctor who weighed 300 pounds, had high blood pressure, etc. He went low carbs, lost the weight, and got healthy. Then he wrote the book "Lies My Doctor Told Me".
I’ve seen several of Dr Berry’s YouTube videos. He’s a champion of the carnivore diet. He’s logical and easy to follow. It’s not the only approach to treating obesity, but he walks the walk and explains it well. Kind of a shame that he’s used for credibility by some clown here.
Also someone bragging they've had over 100 women isn't impressive, means you can't get one to keep you, they dump you.
Maybe if this was a swingers site.
Kent
I get bored easily, and I enjoy Dear Hunting, plus the ladies dig me.
Most men have to settle because they are Butt Ugly and when they finally convince some poor woman to settle for them, the woman only agrees because of the promise to hand over their credit cards to the poor woman, with unlimited use of course.
It must suck to be UGLY LOL
So you had to resort to a dating service at 62 to find a woman you're such a stud... guess your CC was maxed out...
2.5 mi. Boot Hike/Sprints/Work/Gym/Handball, then brine tea and back to Work.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Elksthlayer91 eerrrrrr Cappy Hamper, it's been a couple of months of your babbling now and thought it only right to point out that you've failed to include chelated minerals to your incessant echo chamber for some time now.
2.5 mi. Boot Hike/Sprints/Work/Gym/Handball, then brine tea and back to Work.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Elksthlayer91 eerrrrrr Cappy Hamper, it's been a couple of months of your babbling now and thought it only right to point out that you've failed to include chelated minerals to your incessant echo chamber for some time now.
Just trying to help.
He's been using them...but he has been administering them incorrectly.
... and then you can be the smartest one in your li'l yellow school bus for the whole day.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
That’s cute you changed the days and times to fit. You’ve been saying Tuesday evening to Friday morning. No one eats Monday and doesn’t eat again until Friday. You stupid POS
... and then you can be the smartest one in your li'l yellow school bus for the whole day.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
That’s cute you changed the days and times to fit. You’ve been saying Tuesday evening to Friday morning. No one eats Monday and doesn’t eat again until Friday.
... and then you can be the smartest one in your li'l yellow school bus for the whole day.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
That’s cute you changed the days and times to fit. You’ve been saying Tuesday evening to Friday morning. No one eats Monday and doesn’t eat again until Friday.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And because of this, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And because of this, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Flat-earth "every Three hours" Baby-food eaters - have no idea what it's like to be Human.
Sugar, like crack, is their addiction, and they think they'll die without it.
And because of this, they are like egg-layin' Chickens, who can't understand "soaring," and, therefore, Eagles don't exist.
I was so rushed this morning I didn't weigh myself.
Because of you, I am fully motivated, I am not stopping and going Hard Core, looking forward to expelling all of the old damaged cells and replacing them with new ones and seeing my abs lol
... Not to mention being completely clueless about a normal, sustainable life-long diet strategy
Humans, and their immediate ancestors, have been thriving on animal meat/fat, and low starch bank vegetables, in a largely sugar devoid environment... for Eight-to-Ten MILLION years.
Well, we had a deal, if you want to dishonor yourself, be my guest, you are only discrediting yourself.
I am a man who believes in keeping my word, have at it, I will not break my word.
Post away and say whatever you want, I will not reply further Jim.
You had a deal with Conrad that you can make whatever chit up you want and he can't comment?
Not likely, The next time you actually do what you say that I've read, will be the first time... that's your reputation here.
Example again... if I said I was going to show results every 4 days of my ketosis readings and weight results, I would be embarrassed that 10 days later I've been posting and no results like I gave my word.
yesterday made bacon, eggs, B&G about noon, bought some sirloin steaks on sale and made fajitas, tortillas, chips and homemade salsa.
This week has been lite activity compared to full on work. Leaving to go back up and build a deck and stairs, paint parts of the cabin... easy stuff.
Do some kayak fishing...
Time delay eating has been a part of my variable eating for many years, activity levels spur eating requirements. It's not about hunger as I can go without eating and not be hungry. It's about maintaining energy levels naturally with food.
I guess if you needed a youtube to tell you this, ok... better late than never.
...I guess if you needed a youtube to tell you this, ok... better late than never.
Kent
The CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through agricultural sugar/starch food.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
192.4 this morning. So hanging around the 192 lb area for the past few days. Pretty good energy. Still off pain killers. Just got the results from recent blood workup: Everything normal across the board.
Thanks fellas. Not complaining. Pretty happy with how it's going. Playing around with eating times, but most always compressing them into a smallish window.
Yesterday I had VA medical appointment and got flu and pneumonia shots. So wound up eating a keto pancake with frozen strawberries for a late breakfast at 10:30. Then an early dinner of seafood salad around 5:00; keto bar for dessert. This morning an early breakfast of chorizo scrambled into 2 eggs, washed down with a small glass of milk. Pretty satisfying, low carbs.
Thanks fellas. Not complaining. Pretty happy with how it's going. Playing around with eating times, but most always compressing them into a smallish window.
Yesterday I had VA medical appointment and got flu and pneumonia shots. So wound up eating a keto pancake with frozen strawberries for a late breakfast at 10:30. Then an early dinner of seafood salad around 5:00; keto bar for dessert. This morning an early breakfast of chorizo scrambled into 2 eggs, washed down with a small glass of milk. Pretty satisfying, low carbs.
Hey pal,
Just to give you an update on my progress started on Monday at 222 lbs. did a 72-hour fast and had 1 BBQ pork chop last night. This morning down to 214 lbs., my goal is to get down to 180 lbs., and will not stop until I get there.
I have not weighed 180 lbs. since I was 17 years old, I am hoping to see my abs at 180 lbs. if I do not, I will go lower.
When I started Intermittent Fasting 4 years ago my weight was 265, and I went down to 200 lbs. in three months and looked great so that is when I went to OMAD, even eating OMAD the weight slowly but surely crept back up. My Metabolism is the slowest on earth!
I will post my weight again next Friday, I am shooting for 205 lbs. by next Friday which means I will have lost 17 lbs. in 11 days. By the following Friday, October 13th, I should be 198 lbs.
Thanks for the correction KRP! Next Friday the 13th I will weigh 205 the following Friday the 20th I will break 200, so that will be 24 lbs. in 19 days.
Thanks fellas. Not complaining. Pretty happy with how it's going. Playing around with eating times, but most always compressing them into a smallish window.
Yesterday I had VA medical appointment and got flu and pneumonia shots. So wound up eating a keto pancake with frozen strawberries for a late breakfast at 10:30. Then an early dinner of seafood salad around 5:00; keto bar for dessert. This morning an early breakfast of chorizo scrambled into 2 eggs, washed down with a small glass of milk. Pretty satisfying, low carbs.
Hey pal,
Just to give you an update on my progress started on Monday at 222 lbs. did a 72-hour fast and had 1 BBQ pork chop last night. This morning down to 214 lbs., my goal is to get down to 180 lbs., and will not stop until I get there.
I have not weighed 180 lbs. since I was 17 years old, I am hoping to see my abs at 180 lbs. if I do not, I will go lower.
When I started Intermittent Fasting 4 years ago my weight was 265, and I went down to 200 lbs. in three months and looked great so that is when I went to OMAD, even eating OMAD the weight slowly but surely crept back up. My Metabolism is the slowest on earth!
I will post my weight again next Friday, I am shooting for 205 lbs. by next Friday which means I will have lost 17 lbs. in 11 days. By the following Friday, October 13th, I should be 198 lbs.
If you still resemble hammered schit, does it matter what you weigh ?
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Well, we had a deal, if you want to dishonor yourself, be my guest, you are only discrediting yourself.
I am a man who believes in keeping my word, have at it, I will not break my word.
Post away and say whatever you want, I will not reply further Jim.
For shįt sakes.....you crazy bitch.
We never had a deal. What the fugg are you talking about?
I haven't been engaging you because you are clearly next level insane and a waste of time.
You have a short memory! I can post it here if you like, for all to see. I never go back on my word. Once my word is given, unlike you, I keep my word.
I am not crazy, nor am I a bitch. I am the Founder and CEO of an International company, and highly intelligent as well as HONORABLE.
I am posting my results, to prove once and for all, that what all of us that have been promoting Intermittent fasting as a way to lose weight quickly works. When I am done proving my point I will weigh 180 lbs. from 222 lbs. in short order.
You have a short, memory! I can post it here if you like, for all to see. I never go back on my word. Once my word is given, unlike you, I keep my word.
I am not crazy, nor am I a bitch. I am the Founder and CEO of an International company, and highly intelligent as well as HONORABLE.
If you say so slurpee...but you seem to be forgetting that we have been watching you lie your teeth out.
Both you and the lard-arse twit are painted with the same brush.
I am a man of my word, I don't make stuff like this us. He knows what was said others saw it as well.
If he wants to dishonor himself by breaking his work, that is entirely his problem, not mine.
I even sent him a PM to apologize for calling him what I did, congratulated him for raising two fine young men, and invited him for dinner if he was ever in my part of the world. Maybe he forgot that as well, you will have to ask him if that is also true?
The next time I post here will be my weight on October 13th, when I expect to be 205 lbs. from 222 from my start date, which was Monday of this week.
Just went back to re-post the Edmonton Alberta premature start date banner & the Lying POS has deleted it, & all his snarky chit, from early this week !
Guys has no life.
Oh, & now he is the CEO of an International company, not a corporation !
I'm going hunting, rifle deer season opens tomorrow.
For what it is worth, there are six posters on these fora that I find seriously weird and off-putting: lard-arse, slurpee, ringdingaling, toot, gayghost, iskra.
...started on Monday at 222 lbs...This morning down to 214 lbs...
Attaboy. Nice way to start.
Honestly Pal, do you believe him?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Like I said I will go down to 180 lbs. by the end of November and post pictures of the progress in this journey, to prove that Intermittent Fasting Fasting works like a charm and that posters like you are azzholes.
The picture of the scale with me standing on it will have a printout of this post with the date on it to prove that you are a loser scumbag.
...started on Monday at 222 lbs...This morning down to 214 lbs...
Attaboy. Nice way to start.
Honestly Pal, do you believe him?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Like I said I will go down to 180 lbs. by the end of November and post pictures of the progress in this journey, to prove that Intermittent Fasting Fasting works like a charm and that posters like you are azzholes.
The picture of the scale with me standing on it will have a printout of this post with the date on it to prove that you are a loser scumbag.
Yeah, for a pretend exec he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I mean seriously...imagine being that desperate that you have to hang your sense of self worth on how complete strangers on the internet perceive your pretend.
Starting today, I will post every 4 days. Starting weight 222.4
Only 1 way to prove it.
It wasn't this last Monday, it was 12 days ago.
Kent
I did not start, that day, I put it off I started this Monday, was delayed because I forgot I have dinner obligations lol
Just so you know, what I am about to do. I am doing for myself and nobody else, I finally got off my ass because pal motivated me, and so has Salmonella. My goal 180-185 lbs. by the end of November starting from 222 lbs last Monday.
If you have an issue with that, not my problem. As I said I will post every Friday with a picture of me standing on my scale, it will be interesting if I meet the weights I have listed earlier.
You will know it's me posting because I will give everyone here that has either been a nay-sayer a non-believer or an ass this call sign, every time I take the picture on my scale. Of course, I will position my hand so as not to obstruct the reading on my scale, and yes that is definitely my hand lol
I did not start, that day, I put it off I started this Monday, was delayed because I forgot I have dinner obligations lol
Just so you know, what I am about to do. I am doing for myself and nobody else, I finally got off my ass because pal motivated me, and so has Salmonella. My goal 180-185 lbs. by the end of November starting from 222 lbs last Monday.
If you have an issue with that, not my problem. As I said I will post every Friday with a picture of me standing on my scale, it will be interesting if I meet the weights I have listed earlier.
You will know it's me posting because I will give everyone here that has either been a nay-sayer a non-believer or an ass this call sign, every time I take the picture on my scale. Of course, I will position my hand so as not to obstruct the reading on my scale, and yes that is definitely my hand lol
This reads like it was written by the founder of PETA.
New low, 194.4 this morning. Fasted until noon yesterday.
GOOD WORK pal,
I have lost 5 lbs since Sunday, I was sitting on the fence enjoying my great cooking until your posts motivated me to get into the best shape of my "Old Age" lol
I have to admit getting old is interesting, hey?
Have a great evening Sir!
No, you posted this at the end of last week, on the 28th
I should have mentioned I weigh myself, first thing in the morning. So make sure to get up bright and early to witness how Hard Core Intermittent Fasting can help you lose weight rapidly.
I will only post here on Fridays from here on out when I post my scale picture and call sign because frankly a lot of people here really suck the big one and you bore me to death! lol.
I should have mentioned I weigh myself, first thing in the morning. So make sure to get up bright and early to witness how Hard Core Intermittent Fasting can help you lose weight rapidly.
I will only post here on Fridays from here on out when I post my scale picture and call sign because frankly a lot of people here really suck the big one and you bore me to death! lol.
See you next Friday
PS: Don't forget my call sign! lmao
You constantly get caught lying... you have no other play.
Lol. Prob the reason he hides...can't run, too many calories needed....thus, he participates in the the most athletic event humankind has ever conceived: Handball.
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
F'n water company has been out of water since this morning, first day of a 3 day weekend, they were out last Sunday. One of the reasons I'm getting it ready to sell.
Dad owned this water company for over 30 years, I did the maintenance and read meters, he sold it about 10 years ago, he was in his 80s and not wanting the work anymore, wasn't much money made from a cabin community anyway.
Bought by a corporation, probably an international one...
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
And hike.
Well, OK, if that's what it takes.
Kent, you're a bread eating, syrup on pancake pouring, no good bean in your chili eater.
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
And hike.
Well, OK, if that's what it takes.
Kent, you're a bread eating, syrup on pancake pouring, no good bean in your chili eater.
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
And hike.
Well, OK, if that's what it takes.
Kent, you're a bread eating, syrup on pancake pouring, no good bean in your chili eater.
And you never fasted for three days in your life.
Little one.
Nice effort and pretty much dead on, except I think it fasted for 4 or 5 days when I was really sick once, but not more than about 40hrs on purpose.
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
And hike.
Well, OK, if that's what it takes.
Kent, you're a bread eating, syrup on pancake pouring, no good bean in your chili eater.
And you never fasted for three days in your life.
Little one.
Nice effort and pretty much dead on, except I think it fasted for 4 or 5 days when I was really sick once, but not more than about 40hrs on purpose.
If I insult you, and make an ass out myself, will you pay for me to go elk hunting with Kent?
He insulted krp.
Out of anyone on here to insult, that's low. He can insult me all he wants online. I'll just continually ask for him to put his money where his mouth runs and just show up.
And hike.
Well, OK, if that's what it takes.
Kent, you're a bread eating, syrup on pancake pouring, no good bean in your chili eater.
And you never fasted for three days in your life.
Little one.
Nice effort and pretty much dead on, except I think it fasted for 4 or 5 days when I was really sick once, but not more than about 40hrs on purpose.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
I'm lean and in shape and still busting ass at 66... I don't know what you are reading into this thread. It's the f'n liars and bullchit that is being challenged.
Are we only supposed to celebrate your success and not our own success staying in shape our entire lives?
No one has said a negative word about you, or Pal or others that really have succeeded.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
Those roots made me improvise ties as a deck to the stairs, what the hell add some rock laying around. The ponderosa is big... if a squirrel ran up one like that you can never get a shot.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
Me neither Samonella, the ones bashing it and trolling, have never done it themselves, or if they did they are not paying attention and doing it wrong.
As I said I will post a picture here of me standing on my scale every Friday morning, until the end of November. By that time I should weigh around 180 lbs., and that will be a 42 lbs weight loss in 2 months. Once I reach that goal I will start doing light weights.
Started on Monday the 2nd at 222, and this morning I weighed 213. That is a weight loss of 9 lbs. in 5 days, mostly water I figure. When I post the scale picture next Friday, I expect to weigh around 204.
What I have noticed thus far, my energy levels are way up, and the inflammation in my knees is improving, with way less pain.
Seeing you in the boat and watching pal succeed got me to finally get off my fat ass lol.
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving in Canada, I will try to eat an entire leg of the bird, and it is a 22 lbs. turkey and I will eat the stuffing as well, then I am doing a 96-hour fast, I may even go 120 hours.
For the life of me, I can't understand the anger in this thread. Is there a problem with being lean and in shape and feeling good about yourself? Mind boggling.
Me neither Samonella, the ones bashing it and trolling, have never done it themselves, or if they did they are not paying attention and doing it wrong.
As I said I will post a picture here of me standing on my scale every Friday morning, until the end of November. By that time I should weigh around 180 lbs., and that will be a 42 lbs weight loss in 2 months. Once I reach that goal I will start doing light weights.
Started on Monday the 2nd at 222, and this morning I weighed 213. That is a weight loss of 9 lbs. in 5 days, mostly water I figure. When I post the scale picture next Friday, I expect to weigh around 204.
What I have noticed thus far, my energy levels are way up, and the inflammation in my knees is improving, with way less pain.
Seeing you in the boat and watching pal succeed got me to finally get off my fat ass lol.
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving in Canada, I will try to eat an entire leg of the bird, and it is a 22 lbs. turkey and I will eat the stuffing as well, then I am doing a 96-hour fast, I may even go 120 hours.
Originally Posted by KillerBee
See you next Friday
PS: Don't forget my call sign! lmao
What happened to not posting 'til next Friday. You are nothing more than a lying slurpee piece of crap.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
What a 2 faced LOOSER, and that is why I call him a Troll!
So you are now saying you didn't start the diet program until Oct 1st and you were down to 214 on Friday 5 days latter.
Yet your banner started Sept 24th at 222, then you told Pal you lost 5lbs on the 28th, then you told pal you lost 4lbs on Oct 4th, then you were down to 214 on the 5th... so 9lbs in 12 days... ok
If you were 222 on the 1st you gained back the 5lbs, then lost 4lbs by the 4th and another 4lbs on the 5th in one day, for 8lbs in 4 days. .
I pointed this out earlier, we all mispeak occasionally but you seem to want to double down... so now it's just bullchit as usual.
So you are now saying you didn't start the diet program until Oct 1st and you were down to 214 on Friday 5 days latter.
Yet your banner started Sept 24th at 222, then you told Pal you lost 5lbs on the 28th, then you told pal you lost 4lbs on Oct 4th, then you were down to 214 on the 5th... so 9lbs in 12 days... ok
If you were 222 on the 1st you gained back the 5lbs, then lost 4lbs by the 4th and another 4lbs on the 5th in one day, for 8lbs in 4 days. .
I pointed this out earlier, we all mispeak occasionally but you seem to want to double down... so now it's just bullchit as usual.
Kent
Using his post history is so unfair...what was important is the emotional content.
As far as anyone hating on time delay eating, low carb or no carb diet... no... start from the beginning again.
There is a issue that this is something new and just discovered. Nope, it's not, wasn't discovered by YouTube Drs, wasn't discovered by members here a few years ago when they needed to finally do something about themselves.
Nobody here is campfire proprietary expert on weight loss and health, regardless of what they think.
As far as anyone hating on time delay eating, low carb or no carb diet... no... start from the beginning again.
There is a issue that this is something new and just discovered. Nope, it's not, wasn't discovered by YouTube Drs, wasn't discovered by members here a few years ago when they needed to finally do something about themselves.
Nobody here is campfire proprietary expert on weight loss and health, regardless of what they think.
It's still genetics, activity, diet.
Kent
It appears no hunt or hike will take place.
Perhaps, I will have a Snickers today. Just cause.
What a 2 faced LOOSER, and that is why I call him a Troll!
So you are now saying you didn't start the diet program until Oct 1st and you were down to 214 on Friday 5 days latter.
Yet your banner started Sept 24th at 222, then you told Pal you lost 5lbs on the 28th, then you told pal you lost 4lbs on Oct 4th, then you were down to 214 on the 5th... so 9lbs in 12 days... ok
If you were 222 on the 1st you gained back the 5lbs, then lost 4lbs by the 4th and another 4lbs on the 5th in one day, for 8lbs in 4 days. .
I pointed this out earlier, we all mispeak occasionally but you seem to want to double down... so now it's just bullchit as usual.
Kent
I was going to start earlier but was not motivated. I started fasting like I said on Monday the 2nd starting with a 72 hour fast on Monday.
Don't believe me, I could give a flying FK. I will post a picture Next Friday the results will speak for themselves.
Hoping to be around 205, down from 222.
Then why did you tell Pal you list 5lbs on the 28th being motivated by him... that means you did start on the 24th and were reporting your results.
Otherwise on the 4th you said you had lost 4lbs, if you had started on the 24th and add that to the 5lbs then that's 9ish lbs in 12 days... but if that 4lbs was from 222 on the 1st, then to b down to 214 like you now claim Friday the 5th you lost another 4lbs in one day.
Otherwise on the 4th you said you had lost 4lbs, if you had started on the 24th and add that to the 5lbs then that's 9ish lbs in 12 days... but if that 4lbs was from 222 on the 1st, then to b down to 214 like you now claim Friday the 5th you lost another 4lbs in one day.
Otherwise on the 4th you said you had lost 4lbs, if you had started on the 24th and add that to the 5lbs then that's 9ish lbs in 12 days... but if that 4lbs was from 222 on the 1st, then to b down to 214 like you now claim Friday the 5th you lost another 4lbs in one day.
Even you should be able to see the problem.
Kent
...but, but, but...the emotional content!
I know, and the chronic bullchit of pretend has some kind of euphoric brain response. And when not believed another response of lashing out.
New low, 190.4 this morning! Fasted until noon yesterday. Seafood salad for lunch and chicken for a late dinner (worked late) with a keto bar for dessert. So I tell you this low carb/intermittent fasting works. Was pretty knockered after such a long day at the shop yesterday, with only a very short lunch break. Was hobbling around, near the end, because of my bum ankle with the hardware in it. But overall I had good energy until the pain kicked in.
New low, 190.4 this morning! Fasted until noon yesterday. Seafood salad for lunch and chicken for a late dinner (worked late) with a keto bar for dessert. So I tell you this low carb/intermittent fasting works. Was pretty knockered after such a long day at the shop yesterday, with only a very short lunch break. Was hobbling around, near the end, because of my bum ankle with the hardware in it. But overall I had good energy until the pain kicked in.
Whatever it is…chimichurri whatever…it looks like Shrek had a bout of diarrhea all over a well cooked piece of meat. 😂
It's actually quite good, originated in Argentina I believe and those folks know their meat, give it a try. And would you believe it, very low in the dreaded carbohydrates.
Whatever it is…chimichurri whatever…it looks like Shrek had a bout of diarrhea all over a well cooked piece of meat. 😂
It's actually quite good, originated in Argentina I believe and those folks know their meat, give it a try. And would you believe it, very low in the dreaded carbohydrates.
"Chimichurri (Spanish:[tʃimiˈtʃuri]) is an uncooked sauce used as an ingredient in cooking and as a table condiment for grilled meat. Found originally in Argentinian and Uruguayan cuisines, it has become widely adopted in most of Latin America. The sauce comes in green (chimichurri verde) and red (chimichurri rojo) varieties. It is made of finely chopped parsley, red pepper flakes, minced garlic, olive oil, oregano and vinegar or lemon juice. It is similar to Moroccan chermoula."
Whatever it is…chimichurri whatever…it looks like Shrek had a bout of diarrhea all over a well cooked piece of meat. 😂
It's actually quite good, originated in Argentina I believe and those folks know their meat, give it a try. And would you believe it, very low in the dreaded carbohydrates.
"Chimichurri (Spanish:[tʃimiˈtʃuri]) is an uncooked sauce used as an ingredient in cooking and as a table condiment for grilled meat. Found originally in Argentinian and Uruguayan cuisines, it has become widely adopted in most of Latin America. The sauce comes in green (chimichurri verde) and red (chimichurri rojo) varieties. It is made of finely chopped parsley, red pepper flakes, minced garlic, olive oil, oregano and vinegar or lemon juice. It is similar to Moroccan chermoula."
Sound awfully good actually.
The first bite is weird....you kinda don't know if you are going to like it or not.
New low, 190.4 this morning! Fasted until noon yesterday. Seafood salad for lunch and chicken for a late dinner (worked late) with a keto bar for dessert. So I tell you this low carb/intermittent fasting works. Was pretty knockered after such a long day at the shop yesterday, with only a very short lunch break. Was hobbling around, near the end, because of my bum ankle with the hardware in it. But overall I had good energy until the pain kicked in.
Wasn't long ago, when you were very happy to break 200 hey? lol
You will probably break 190 by tomorrow, great job young man!
I will be just as happy as you were to break 200. The last time I did this I stopped at 200, then switched to OMAD and whatever I wanted to eat, did not work and the weight crept back slowly by surely.
This time when I get to my desired weight, I will be eating carnivore, to keep it off indefinitely.
Wasn't long ago, when you were very happy to break 200 hey? lol
You will probably break 190 by tomorrow, great job young man!
I will be just as happy as you were to break 200. The last time I did this I stopped at 200, then switched to OMAD and whatever I wanted to eat, did not work and the weight crept back slowly by surely.
This time when I get to my desired weight, I will be eating carnivore, to keep it off indefinitely.
Knew you couldn't stay away you cock sucking pansy...slurpee...man of his word.
Whatever it is…chimichurri whatever…it looks like Shrek had a bout of diarrhea all over a well cooked piece of meat. 😂
It's actually quite good, originated in Argentina I believe and those folks know their meat, give it a try. And would you believe it, very low in the dreaded carbohydrates.
"Chimichurri (Spanish:[tʃimiˈtʃuri]) is an uncooked sauce used as an ingredient in cooking and as a table condiment for grilled meat. Found originally in Argentinian and Uruguayan cuisines, it has become widely adopted in most of Latin America. The sauce comes in green (chimichurri verde) and red (chimichurri rojo) varieties. It is made of finely chopped parsley, red pepper flakes, minced garlic, olive oil, oregano and vinegar or lemon juice. It is similar to Moroccan chermoula."
Sound awfully good actually.
The first bite is weird....you kinda don't know if you are going to like it or not.
But then you do.
Seriously though, it seems to be kind of like "pesto." Lots of different ingredients you can add to get it where you want it.
It is me, who owes you thanks pal, you are leading by example, and not a surprise either. You are a Vietnam Vet, a true warrior, and a standout man among men!
It is my pleasure to follow your lead and to hopefully set an example for others to follow.
It is me, who owes you thanks pal, you are leading by example, and not a surprise either. You are a Vietnam Vet, a true warrior, and a standout man among men!
It is my pleasure to follow your lead and to hopefully set an example for others to follow.
It is me, who owes you thanks pal, you are leading by example, and not a surprise either. You are a Vietnam Vet, a true warrior, and a standout man among men!
It is my pleasure to follow your lead and to hopefully set an example for others to follow.
I salute you, Sir!
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by smokepole
Nice work, pal, you're on a roll.
Just don't eat a roll. LOL!!
Thanks smoke. My 80th birthday is coming up a month from now. Thinking that will be the one day I'll take from my present diet.
Congrats. And enjoy!
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
It is me, who owes you thanks pal, you are leading by example, and not a surprise either. You are a Vietnam Vet, a true warrior, and a standout man among men!
It is my pleasure to follow your lead and to hopefully set an example for others to follow.
I salute you, Sir!
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by smokepole
Nice work, pal, you're on a roll.
Just don't eat a roll. LOL!!
Thanks smoke. My 80th birthday is coming up a month from now. Thinking that will be the one day I'll take from my present diet.
Congrats. And enjoy!
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
Garandinal / Happy Cramper / ElkSlayer91 is full of chit.
Same as before…
ElkSlayer91 hated pics.. cause he didn’t have any.
Except maybe an elk at the waterfall in Cabelas.
You got him in a tizzy..
Just repeating himself over and over…
#meltdown
Where have we seen that before?
"gaslighting" "Saul Alinsky" "Stoopid TM"
Now it seems to be "masturbating for candy bars"
So you're interested in Health and Fitness?
Bring it.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Not especially, I have no need to look like a 22 YO professional hockey player at this point in life, if that's your definition of health and fitness. I'm well into my 7th decade on this planet and doing OK for me and keep doing what I need to get what I need done. If that involves me doing 80+ leg lifts and 100+ crunches 3-4 times a week so my back doesn't hurt as much, so be it. Or some other exercises I do for arms and some squats. But I don't need to brag about it, or stop having a Danish when I want either. No need for me to lift and carry 2-16' 2x12s, or 90lb sackretes, as I'm retired. I can still carry 50lb bags of chicken feed and 3 string bales of straw for the chickens when needed, so I'm happy enough with that.
You are getting quite tiresome. Maybe you should take cubed up on his offer? You may learn something?? Who's to know otherwise?
Or, you could continue as you are with posting repetitious strings of inanities in some sort of misguided attempt to show superiority
Awesome pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it was keeping me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it was keeping me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Cheers ~
How do you eat turkey and fast?
I ate turkey last night, after completing a 72-hour fast.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Cheers ~
How do you eat turkey and fast?
I ate turkey last night, after completing a 72-hour fast.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Cheers ~
How do you eat turkey and fast?
I ate turkey last night, after completing a 72-hour fast.
But that's now what you said...
Not trying to be an ass...
This is what I have done since October 2nd.
October 5th 2 Porkchops after a 72-hour fast. October 8th Turkey I did have a little stuffing and a small piece of Key Lime Pie I made.
Not especially, I have no need to look like a 22 YO professional hockey player at this point in life, if that's your definition of health and fitness. I'm well into my 7th decade on this planet and doing OK for me and keep doing what I need to get what I need done. If that involves me doing 80+ leg lifts and 100+ crunches 3-4 times a week so my back doesn't hurt as much, so be it. Or some other exercises I do for arms and some squats. But I don't need to brag about it, or stop having a Danish when I want either. No need for me to lift and carry 2-16' 2x12s, or 90lb sackretes, as I'm retired. I can still carry 50lb bags of chicken feed and 3 string bales of straw for the chickens when needed, so I'm happy enough with that.
You are getting quite tiresome. Maybe you should take cubed up on his offer? You may learn something?? Who's to know otherwise?
Or, you could continue as you are with posting repetitious strings of inanities in some sort of misguided attempt to show superiority
Crap...I welded a fence and a gate yesterday and feel like I gave been kicked around the yard. This bending stuff sucks. (I have three more gates to weld and re-swing today).
Not as bad as putting seat covers in a small Toyota though.
Pathological - how all the obese and metabolically diseased sugar addicts are compelled to defend their dog food diet, regardless of physical and mental cost, on a Human Health and Fitness thread.
And then go as far as ritually worshiping it.
Psychotic, really.
Like Sobriety ever cared what the Addicted thought.
Pathological - how all the obese and metabolically diseased sugar addicts are compelled to defend their dog food diet, regardless of physical and mental cost, on a Human Health and Fitness thread.
And then go as far as ritually worshiping it.
Psychotic, really.
Like Sobriety ever cared what the Addicted thought.
Now just waiting for slurpee to make the sign of the cross and start squirting garlic water at me whilst lard-arse cowers in a corner mumbling something about baby food.
Awesome Pal, have not weighed myself today and will not until Friday, and will post the scale picture as promised, it will be interesting if I hit the 205 mark I predicted.
I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night.
Had Turkey last night, it was our Thanksgiving, and now I am on a 72-hour fast, will eat turkey meat only on Wednesday night, and then I will do a 72 or 96-hour fast.
I am looking forward to weighing 196 lbs., because that is what I weighed when I was 19, but my body composition was entirely different then since I was playing Middle Linebacker and I was running and in the gym every day.
Cheers ~
How do you eat turkey and fast?
I ate turkey last night, after completing a 72-hour fast.
But that's now what you said...
Not trying to be an ass...
This is what I have done since October 2nd.
October 5th 2 Porkchops after a 72-hour fast. October 8th Turkey I did have a little stuffing and a small piece of Key Lime Pie I made.
I will eat again on October 11th, meat only.
PS: I made a typo,
"I can tell you this all of my knee pain is not completely GONE, and that is great because it keeps me up at night."
I did mean to type NOW not, not!
The pain in my knee is GONE, and for that I am thankful!
Pathological - how all the obese and metabolically diseased sugar addicts are compelled to defend their dog food diet, regardless of physical and mental cost, on a Human Health and Fitness thread.
And then go as far as ritually worshiping it.
Psychotic, really.
Like Sobriety ever cared what the Addicted thought.
Pathological - how all the obese and metabolically diseased sugar addicts are compelled to defend their dog food diet, regardless of physical and mental cost, on a Human Health and Fitness thread.
And then go as far as ritually worshiping it.
Psychotic, really.
Like Sobriety ever cared what the Addicted thought.
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
I love pine nuts. Roasted pinyons from the Navajo used to be my hunting snack food.
I have just never been a fan of peanuts and most other nuts. Freshly picked and shelled walnuts and hickory nuts are good too. But not store bought, they taste bitter.
I love pine nuts. Roasted pinyons from the Navajo used to be my hunting snack food.
I have just never been a fan of peanuts and most other nuts. Freshly picked and shelled walnuts and hickory nuts are good too. But not store bought, they taste bitter.
To help maintain the superb accuracy of information in this entire thread, I must make a small note to your statement. Peanuts are not nuts, they are legumes, like peas and beans.
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
I love pine nuts. Roasted pinyons from the Navajo used to be my hunting snack food.
I have just never been a fan of peanuts and most other nuts. Freshly picked and shelled walnuts and hickory nuts are good too. But not store bought, they taste bitter.
To help maintain the superb accuracy of information in this entire thread, I must make a small note to your statement. Peanuts are not nuts, they are legumes, like peas and beans.
Please refer back to a post or two before the one you quoted. I called them goober peas.
Cashews aren't nuts either, and I hate them only slightly less than "pea-nuts". Yet folks likely would hate to have to call a cashew a "drupe". Same with some other "nuts".
But, I love the occasional Three Musketeers or Dark Milky Way.
Think I'm going for some chicken cooked with mango habanero jelly the wife fixed tonight, over couscous. Should be tasty.
First, Gotta go put the cards in the trail cams though.
Geno, you should be using cardless trail cams
You've got to cut out the cards.
Paging Mr Bin.
We REALLY need a facepalm emoji.
But, while we're on that subject. Those cameras are not for me. The Gooberment is already tracking enough of what we do in life, I don't want them to know which critters are in my yard too. Camera sends pic to phone, before you even look at it Big Brother knows about it because they installed the software during that last Emergency Broadcast test. (But, it's OK because "They" are not really in control, right? P rules)
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
Thanks again fellas. Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box.
But, I love the occasional Three Musketeers or Dark Milky Way.
Think I'm going for some chicken cooked with mango habanero jelly the wife fixed tonight, over couscous. Should be tasty.
First, Gotta go put the cards in the trail cams though.
Geno, you should be using cardless trail cams
You've got to cut out the cards.
Paging Mr Bin.
We REALLY need a facepalm emoji.
But, while we're on that subject. Those cameras are not for me. The Gooberment is already tracking enough of what we do in life, I don't want them to know which critters are in my yard too. Camera sends pic to phone, before you even look at it Big Brother knows about it because they installed the software during that last Emergency Broadcast test. (But, it's OK because "They" are not really in control, right? P rules)
This is me, reading all the supercalafragalistic exploits of the most excellent healthiest members on here... just the women gazing adorably is amazing...
and other stuff our keto loving ancestors ate for the nutritive value in them???
Brains ain't too bad, when they come out of a cow head cooked in a pit. Pretty rich but certainly edible once all the meat is picked off the skull. The rest of that stuff? Prolly only if I'm starving.
Originally Posted by krp" class="post-image" style="height:auto!important;max-width:100%!important;"/>[/url]
This is me, reading all the supercalafragalistic exploits of the most excellent healthiest members on here... just the women gazing adorably is amazing...
New low, 190.4 this morning! Fasted until noon yesterday. Seafood salad for lunch and chicken for a late dinner (worked late) with a keto bar for dessert. So I tell you this low carb/intermittent fasting works. Was pretty knockered after such a long day at the shop yesterday, with only a very short lunch break. Was hobbling around, near the end, because of my bum ankle with the hardware in it. But overall I had good energy until the pain kicked in.
Originally Posted by krp" class="post-image" style="height:auto!important;max-width:100%!important;"/>[/url]
This is me, reading all the supercalafragalistic exploits of the most excellent healthiest members on here... just the women gazing adorably is amazing...
Not especially, I have no need to look like a 22 YO professional hockey player at this point in life, if that's your definition of health and fitness. I'm well into my 7th decade on this planet and doing OK for me and keep doing what I need to get what I need done. If that involves me doing 80+ leg lifts and 100+ crunches 3-4 times a week so my back doesn't hurt as much, so be it. Or some other exercises I do for arms and some squats. But I don't need to brag about it, or stop having a Danish when I want either. No need for me to lift and carry 2-16' 2x12s, or 90lb sackretes, as I'm retired. I can still carry 50lb bags of chicken feed and 3 string bales of straw for the chickens when needed, so I'm happy enough with that.
You are getting quite tiresome. Maybe you should take cubed up on his offer? You may learn something?? Who's to know otherwise?
Or, you could continue as you are with posting repetitious strings of inanities in some sort of misguided attempt to show superiority
Ha, ha, ha, when Geno calls you out, you know your shyte stinks !
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
It's in the front of this thread.
GR
No, it most certainly ain't !!
Remember when I had you tripping out, about your fake knife pictures ?
& you explained to us, how your naming conventions, for your photo files worked ?
The not you pic, does not show any of the naming conventions, we discussed.
But it is preceded, by WP_, the same as all the other innanet pics you have posted !
Eat whatever I want, but usually its decent stuff. Dont eat too much at one time, and normally in an 8 hr window.
Lunch and dinner.
Got weighed at arthritis doc yesterday. Fully clothed and 181.
Im gonna freeze this deer season as i lose about 5 lbs or so just from hunting.
Knees shot. Biked and ran for a long while. Genetics........aint much you can do about it Got nailed by RA.
Has affected activity level some, so eat even less
That and had gallbladder removed. Cold front has knees bitchin.
At Least they hurt enough i dont notice anything else hurtin LOL
I rebuilt and reswung the front gates yesterday, after a day of bending and twisting I feel like someone and his mates have kicked the living crap out of me. Going for a shower next then collecting all the boards and detritus from rebuilding the shed and taking them out to the burn pile. Two more gates tomorrow...joy!
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
It's in the front of this thread.
GR
No, it most certainly ain't !!
Remember when I had you tripping out, about your fake knife pictures ?
& you explained to us, how your naming conventions, for your photo files worked ?
The not you pic, does not show any of the naming conventions, we discussed.
But it is preceded, by WP_, the same as all the other innanet pics you have posted !
Sorry fatso !
Hey, princess.
MS Window OS phone, MS Windows OS "WP" format.
Look it up.
Hope this stupid clown act of yours is a payin' gig.
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
It's in the front of this thread.
GR
No, it most certainly ain't !!
Remember when I had you tripping out, about your fake knife pictures ?
& you explained to us, how your naming conventions, for your photo files worked ?
The not you pic, does not show any of the naming conventions, we discussed.
But it is preceded, by WP_, the same as all the other innanet pics you have posted !
Sorry fatso !
Hey, princess.
MS Window OS phone, MS Windows OS "WP" format.
Look it up.
Hope this stupid clown act of yours is a payin' gig.
Not especially, I have no need to look like a 22 YO professional hockey player at this point in life, if that's your definition of health and fitness. I'm well into my 7th decade on this planet and doing OK for me and keep doing what I need to get what I need done. If that involves me doing 80+ leg lifts and 100+ crunches 3-4 times a week so my back doesn't hurt as much, so be it. Or some other exercises I do for arms and some squats. But I don't need to brag about it, or stop having a Danish when I want either. No need for me to lift and carry 2-16' 2x12s, or 90lb sackretes, as I'm retired. I can still carry 50lb bags of chicken feed and 3 string bales of straw for the chickens when needed, so I'm happy enough with that.
You are getting quite tiresome. Maybe you should take cubed up on his offer? You may learn something?? Who's to know otherwise?
Or, you could continue as you are with posting repetitious strings of inanities in some sort of misguided attempt to show superiority
Ha, ha, ha, when Geno calls you out, you know your shyte stinks !
Next it will be Dwayne !!!!
Dwayne would most certainly be nicer...............
It's just Human................................the Canuck version
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
It's in the front of this thread.
GR
No, it most certainly ain't !!
Remember when I had you tripping out, about your fake knife pictures ?
& you explained to us, how your naming conventions, for your photo files worked ?
The not you pic, does not show any of the naming conventions, we discussed.
But it is preceded, by WP_, the same as all the other innanet pics you have posted !
Sorry fatso !
Hey, princess.
MS Window OS phone, MS Windows OS "WP" format.
Look it up.
Hope this stupid clown act of yours is a payin' gig.
Now you can go cry, little one.
... because that pic is of me.
Ha!
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's just Human.
GR
Seems easy enough for you to take another and post it for confirmation
Ok..ok..against my better judgment and against every truism ever muttered about internet pissing matches I’ve just gotta wade in since this thread seems to be spinning its wheels without gaining anymore traction.
Garandimal…I’ve read most of this thread and I’m not looking for a fight but you are definitely entrenched in your opinion here, which is not unusual, but I haven’t seen a picture of you. Post up a picture…before and after your diet transformation would be ideal…but a current photo that highlights how beneficial your system is might go a long way towards convincing others that you’re on the right track. 👍🏼
It's in the front of this thread.
GR
No, it most certainly ain't !!
Remember when I had you tripping out, about your fake knife pictures ?
& you explained to us, how your naming conventions, for your photo files worked ?
The not you pic, does not show any of the naming conventions, we discussed.
But it is preceded, by WP_, the same as all the other innanet pics you have posted !
Sorry fatso !
Hey, princess.
MS Window OS phone, MS Windows OS "WP" format.
Look it up.
Hope this stupid clown act of yours is a payin' gig.
...My only question is how are you going to outrun all of the chicks chasing you around when you get to 180 lbs. hehehe
I'm holding out for one like this.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
...
Originally Posted by pal
...Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box...
...My only question is how are you going to outrun all of the chicks chasing you around when you get to 180 lbs. hehehe
I'm holding out for one like this.
Originally Posted by Garandimal
...
Originally Posted by pal
...Found out that "seafood salad" I've been enjoying so much (and so often) contains wheat! potato starch! and soy!!!! Damn! Gotta find another source of protein.
Yep, they put baby food in almost everything that comes out of a box...
Funny I thought that the gal below would be more to your liking hehehehe
Holy fugg dude how many threads do you have to make? If guys here want to take care of themselves they're going to. You don't have to keep posting (pushing) your views.
It's great that you became skinny after being a fat fugg but you can only lead a horse to water so many times.
Give it a rest.
Go easy fatty LOL
Put your money where your trap is, bet I don't weigh as much as you.
I came home from 6 days working on the cabin, not heavy work, mostly tedious, build a deck and stairs, replace all entry locks/knobs, trim, some stain and started on painting the back wall.
Anyway this morning I weighted 167.7... no eating out except for a couple of dunkin donuts when I had to run into Home depot... just cooked my usual food and some snacks.
For 40 years that door was never finished, it walked out into air, we blocked it from the inside and it had no door knob just a deadbolt.
Dad just never thought about using it. I had to get inventive with the trim on the inside, the wall was all catawampus with the frame, and had to figure a stain to match the original... but I finally got it. I should have taken a picture of the before, no trim and the original grey. Not sure about the redwood stain I put on it, it was something in the under storage, may repaint.
Day-2 of my weekly 3-day(90 hr.) Fast, and couldn't care less.
LOL, "couldn't care less," must be why you keep talking about it, over and over.
You know who really couldn't care less? All the rest of us.
As opposed to the withdrawals and metabolic coma that the baby food/dog food eater would be in.
... after just Three hours.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
I had pot belly from age 42 to 64. I have reversed the insulin resistance by cutting carbs. I am 72, eating fish and ground beef for lunch, steak tonight for dinner. I walk 6,000 steps a day, 25 push ups, and 5 pull ups. I sprint a short distance.
I have not eaten bread, sugar, corn, or seed oil in years.
My father had heart bypass surgery at 70. I have zero calcium in my mri, so I have zero heart disease.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
Wrong, but I'm a Dumbfuqk
The body prefers "every Three hour" baby food to run on.
But then, I am a dumbfuqk…
You are obese, metabolically diseased, and butt-hurt, Rick.
... all on your "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs.
... and almost devoid of sugar.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
Wrong, Dumbfuqk
The body prefers glucose to run on.
But you’re a dumbfuqk…
You are obese, metabolically diseased, and butt-hurt, Rick.
... all on your "every Three hour" baby food diet.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs.
... and almost devoid of sugar.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Then that one has an addiction.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
GR
Should we go back to living in mud huts too you retard.
Lard-arse cannot afford a phone to take a picture, why do you think he could afford firearms. Heck...his 'diet' is all about him being too broke-arse to afford food.
Been pounding the Thanksgiving leftovers, since Monday.
Was astounded that I was down to 178.0, this morning !
Haven't been following the science.
Tarnation, I just realized that I haven't been reporting on what I eat every day. Or posting my favorite youtube videos of nutritional experts that I follow. How could I have been so rude???
Sorry guys. Not directed at you pal, keep up the good work.
Been pounding the Thanksgiving leftovers, since Monday.
Was astounded that I was down to 178.0, this morning !
Haven't been following the science.
Tarnation, I just realized that I haven't been reporting on what I eat every day. Or posting my favorite youtube videos of nutritional experts that I follow. How could I have been so rude???
Sorry guys. Not directed at you pal, keep up the good work.
Another new low, 187.4 this morning! Thinking about that Steven King movie: "Thinner" where, no matter how much the guy eats, he just keeps wasting away.
But our ancestors’ diets were really variable. We evolved as hunter-gatherers, so you’re hunting and gathering whatever foods are around in your local environment. Humans are strategic about what foods they go after, but they can target only the foods that are there. So there was a lot of variation in what hunter-gathers ate depending on location and time of year.
The other thing is that, partly due to that variability, but also partly due just to people’s preferences, there’s a lot of carbohydrate in most hunter-gatherer diets. Honey was probably important throughout history and prehistory. A lot of these small-scale societies are also eating root vegetables like tubers, and those are very starch- and carb-heavy. So the idea that ancient diets would be low-carbohydrate just doesn’t fit with any of the available evidence.
So how did “Paleo” come to represent meat-heavy and low-carb eating?
I think there are a couple of reasons for that. You have a kind of romanticizing of what hunting and gathering was like. There is a sort of macho caveman view of the past that permeates a lot of what I read when I look at Paleo diet websites.
There are also inherent biases in a lot of the available archaeological and ethnographic data. In the early 1900s, and even before, a lot of the ethnographic reports were written by men who focused on men’s work. We know that traditionally that’s going to focus more on hunting than on gathering because of the way a lot of these small-scale societies divide their work: Men hunt and women gather.
On top of that, the available ethnographic data is heavily skewed toward very northern cultures, such as Arctic cultures — since the warm-weather cultures were the first ones to get pushed out by farmers — and they do tend to eat more meat. But our ancestors’ diets were variable. Populations that lived near the ocean and moving rivers ate a lot of fish and seafood. Populations that lived in forested areas or in places rich in vegetation focused on eating plants.
There is also a bias toward hunting in the archaeological record. Stone tools and cut-marked bones — evidence of hunting — preserve very well. Wooden sticks and plant remains don’t.
It’s a balance between calories from animals and calories from plants. The long-term average is around 50:50, but it varies. Sometimes they’re eating a lot of meat, sometimes very little. The one surprising thing from working with the Hadza — and it’s not just the Hadza, but a lot of the work there kind of sparked this — is how important honey is. It can make up as much as a fifth of the group’s calories, on average. Honey is just sugar and water — pretty high-carb and definitely not part of most modern “Paleo” diets.
But our ancestors’ diets were really variable. We evolved as hunter-gatherers, so you’re hunting and gathering whatever foods are around in your local environment. Humans are strategic about what foods they go after, but they can target only the foods that are there. So there was a lot of variation in what hunter-gathers ate depending on location and time of year.
The other thing is that, partly due to that variability, but also partly due just to people’s preferences, there’s a lot of carbohydrate in most hunter-gatherer diets. Honey was probably important throughout history and prehistory. A lot of these small-scale societies are also eating root vegetables like tubers, and those are very starch- and carb-heavy. So the idea that ancient diets would be low-carbohydrate just doesn’t fit with any of the available evidence.
So how did “Paleo” come to represent meat-heavy and low-carb eating?
I think there are a couple of reasons for that. You have a kind of romanticizing of what hunting and gathering was like. There is a sort of macho caveman view of the past that permeates a lot of what I read when I look at Paleo diet websites.
There are also inherent biases in a lot of the available archaeological and ethnographic data. In the early 1900s, and even before, a lot of the ethnographic reports were written by men who focused on men’s work. We know that traditionally that’s going to focus more on hunting than on gathering because of the way a lot of these small-scale societies divide their work: Men hunt and women gather.
On top of that, the available ethnographic data is heavily skewed toward very northern cultures, such as Arctic cultures — since the warm-weather cultures were the first ones to get pushed out by farmers — and they do tend to eat more meat. But our ancestors’ diets were variable. Populations that lived near the ocean and moving rivers ate a lot of fish and seafood. Populations that lived in forested areas or in places rich in vegetation focused on eating plants.
There is also a bias toward hunting in the archaeological record. Stone tools and cut-marked bones — evidence of hunting — preserve very well. Wooden sticks and plant remains don’t.
It’s a balance between calories from animals and calories from plants. The long-term average is around 50:50, but it varies. Sometimes they’re eating a lot of meat, sometimes very little. The one surprising thing from working with the Hadza — and it’s not just the Hadza, but a lot of the work there kind of sparked this — is how important honey is. It can make up as much as a fifth of the group’s calories, on average. Honey is just sugar and water — pretty high-carb and definitely not part of most modern “Paleo” diets.
I should have mentioned I weigh myself, first thing in the morning. So make sure to get up bright and early to witness how Hard Core Intermittent Fasting can help you lose weight rapidly.
I will only post here on Fridays from here on out when I post my scale picture and call sign because frankly a lot of people here really suck the big one and you bore me to death! lol.
See you next Friday
PS: Don't forget my call sign! lmao
I'm surprised... no results this morning... imagine that...
Opening day of quail season, haven't quail hunted in a few years, went out to an old spot I hunted as a kid, just got on some birds walking through a rock field, birds flushed out to far, My sole on my favorite 20 year old Lowa boots, comes apart. I have to work my way back to the truck slowly through the cactus and drive home... bummer.
I have a bunch more hunting boots but those were my favorite desert, warm weather boots.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Then that one has an addiction.
Keto+Fasting+Exercise.
It's only Human.
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Hey, you fat spiteful POS, at least I post real pictures !
& the healing & health benefits, of truly natural honey, would cover more "page" than all the bullchit, you think you have contributed, to this thread !!
I'm surprised... no results this morning... imagine that...
Kent
I'm more surprised, anyone would bother to cook a 22lb turkey, with no sides, for Thanksgiving dinner, for 2 people, knowing that 1 of them, was't going to eat for 3 days ?
We cooked a 13lb bird & a 3.5lb ham + sides & it fed 6 of us for Thanksgiving, & provided all 6 with at least 3-5 more meals !
I'm surprised... no results this morning... imagine that...
Kent
I'm more surprised, anyone would bother to cook a 22lb turkey, with no sides, for Thanksgiving dinner, for 2 people, knowing that 1 of them, was't going to eat for 3 days ?
We cooked a 13lb bird & a 3.5lb ham + sides & it fed 6 of us for Thanksgiving, & provided all 6 with at least 3-5 more meals !
I think everyone has worked out that slurpee is full of shit and lard-arse probably isn't human.
Cutting carbs is how to treat: Childhood epilepsy Tooth decay Obesity Alcoholism Type 2 diabetes Some cancers Some mental disorders etc
The reason low carb diet is often not prescribed is the patient may not comply, but is more likely to take a less effective prescription pill. This speaks to the problems with doctors short examinations and compliance with standard of care.
We do not have this problem with veterinarians, they will ask, "What are you feeding the animal?"
Or just don't eat, drink more than can be used, even simpler.
The real issue of today's person and people of the past is the modern person doesn't need to exert energy to get through the day, but they eat more than someone from 60 years ago and snack more from boredom.
Pity that's there is no proof, of that fact, 480 pages later !
One pic's all you get, princess.
... and it's me, so dry your eyes and get over it.
As for your Bee Vomit?
It's 99.4% Sugar.
Why you are obese and metabolically diseased.
And why the CDC is reporting that 60% of Americans are Obese!
The Five Scourges of Health: - Obesity - Cancer - Cognitive Decline - Heart Disease - Diabetes
All Metabolic - all things we get through eating high carb dog food, like your Bee Spit, instead of Human food.
Being a drug dealer - doesn't improve your status to Sobriety.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
If you're an alcoholic, you're not giving up carbs to lose weight.
An even simpler concept.
And if you're a metabolically diseased fat-ass, you're not giving up carbs because you are a Darwin Award contestant.
Ha!
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
What I don't get is why everyone thinks native populations and early humans ate a diet consisting mainly of meat
Anyone who has done some study of "primitive" societies, those that didn't have agriculture, metal tools, and such would know that early humans and those native populations evolved to eat whatever the hell they could find that was edible.
That evolution started with the first hominids and continued until "modern" humans came into being and for thousands of years afterwards until some smart human figured out they could save the seeds of the tuber they were eating and scatter them to get more tubers. Or even save some of the tubers to plant next season.
Their diets were mainly meat when meat was readily available, fish when they were running, roots, berries, leaves, seeds, nuts, grubs, and the hearts of their enemies when necessary.
I watch youtube videos on diet and health everyday. The dichotomy I normally see is between vegetarian and carnivore paths to health. They both get huge improvements in health by getting away from prepared foods from the center of the grocery store, and just shopping in the produce section or the meat, cheese, and eggs sections.
Vegetarians and carnivores are both well informed, intelligent, slim, and hate each other's guts. Neither can prove the other wrong, but that does not stop strong opinions.
In contrast, here on the fire, we have a dichotomy between slim carnivores and fat junk food junkies.....er standard American diet [SAD].
I watch youtube videos on diet and health everyday. The dichotomy I normally see is between vegetarian and carnivore paths to health. They both get huge improvements in health by getting away from prepared foods from the center of the grocery store, and just shopping in the produce section or the meat, cheese, and eggs sections.
NO SHIDT?
Fuqking hilarious that you’d have to watch a Fuqking YouTube video to figure that out
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Clarkm
When you give up carbs, you give up alcohol.
Pretty simple concept.
If you're an alcoholic, you're not giving up carbs to lose weight.
An even simpler concept.
And if you're a metabolically diseased fat-ass, you're not giving up carbs because you are a Darwin Award contestant.
Ha!
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
While a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
It is funny that the radicals are barely able to sustain a weight without extreme measures and the regular hunter gatherers here have never had that problem.
Interesting you should bring that up Kent. I pulled the pin on my job some eight months ago to work on my house...basically eight months doing a bit of toil and a lot of whateverthehellIwant.
I weigh the same now as when I was working physically for eight hours a day. Okay, I don't eat much crap food as my wife is a cook that buys fresh...but still, no gain?
Plus it's obvious in this thread you can overresearch someone's analysis of an issue on googletube and not actually understand the dynamics of what is being said.
Interesting you should bring that up Kent. I pulled the pin on my job some eight months ago to work on my house...basically eight months doing a bit of toil and a lot of whateverthehellIwant.
I weigh the same now as when I was working physically for eight hours a day. Okay, I don't eat much crap food as my wife is a cook that buys fresh...but still, no gain?
Same, I work about half of what I used to, still keep busy the rest of the time but not hard core. My appetite pretty much goes on how much energy I need, a life long unconscious training I guess. I don't like to eat out but sometimes it's necessary when working out of town.
I guess I pretty much mirror what my grandparents did in their life, farmers, miners, workers... never overweight, lots of country cooking with sacks of flour, sugar, vegetables and meat... rice and potatoes.
The most useful nozzle for petrol I have found is one I purchased from England. It can be used at any angle without spillage and the nozzle can be manually operated. Excellent for filling chainsaws and lawn mowers.
Living low carb keeps me at my comfort zone. I stripped off 70 lbs about 6 years ago when I weighed 270+. It weight hasn't come back but my overall bodyweight has fluctuations between 193 and 200. Low carbing is hands down the most effective way to lose and control weight. You can't work out hard enough to offset a high carb, junk diet.
Living low carb keeps me at my comfort zone. I stripped off 70 lbs about 6 years ago when I weighed 270+. It weight hasn't come back but my overall bodyweight has fluctuations between 193 and 200. Low carbing is hands down the most effective way to lose and control weight. You can't work out hard enough to offset a high carb, junk diet.
There you go again, assuming you know all about what everyone else eats. You definitely suffer from hubris.
Living low carb keeps me at my comfort zone. I stripped off 70 lbs about 6 years ago when I weighed 270+. It weight hasn't come back but my overall bodyweight has fluctuations between 193 and 200. Low carbing is hands down the most effective way to lose and control weight. You can't work out hard enough to offset a high carb, junk diet.
There you go again, assuming you know all about what everyone else eats. You definitely suffer from hubris.
Oh please. You confuse helpful advice with negative criticism.
Just like Jews and Muslims, the folks on this thread will be fighting forever.
500 years from now anthropologists will dig up this thread and it will be analyzed thusly......
This is the most complete example found to date,,, of people going what was known at the time as................"full retard"...scientist's believe it was a phrase coined around that time. Scientist's also believe they seem to be jockeying for position of "top dog" or "king" of this term "full retard". Not all, but scientist's in the future will perhaps one day know why.
Problem you have is you take your 'research' and what others write including myself out of context, to manipulate to your opinion and justifications.
I'm not one uping anyone, I'm stating my experiences same as everyone else.
Somehow that upsets you that I've pointed out the fallacies of your 'research' from the very sources you claim. You are the one that switched sides from the original video and it's message at the beginning.
It still comes down to fat pricks that have lost weight insisting that everyone else has to do as they do...constantly...without letup, and the rest of us not playing their bullshit game.
Problem you have is you take your 'research' and what others write including myself out of context, to manipulate to your opinion and justifications.
I'm not one uping anyone, I'm stating my experiences same as everyone else.
Somehow that upsets you that I've pointed out the fallacies of your 'research' from the very sources you claim. You are the one that switched sides from the original video and it's message at the beginning.
Wishing you the best though.
Kent
If you are talking to me. I have no problem being wrong. Point out where I have been please.
I don't object to you eating whatever carbs you want. I do object to you acting as if it doesn't matter how much sugar and processed foods you eat as long as you work hard and work them off. You think too much sugar in your diet means enough to gain weight from it. Too much sugar in your diet is scientifically defined as a specific percentage of your calories. Anything more is scientifically known to cause many health issues other than just obesity. Many of the ingredients in all processed foods are directly linked to health issues.
I do understand you bragging about eating some junk food in view of the extreme BS posted by some.
It still comes down to fat pricks that have lost weight insisting that everyone else has to do as they do...constantly...without letup, and the rest of us not playing their bullshit game.
It still comes down to fat pricks that have lost weight insisting that everyone else has to do as they do...constantly...without letup, and the rest of us not playing their bullshit game.
What an ass-h-0le. 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, you are.
One that insists that all should do what he does.
Give it a break fella, most of us don't give a shit what you weigh.
Problem you have is you take your 'research' and what others write including myself out of context, to manipulate to your opinion and justifications.
I'm not one uping anyone, I'm stating my experiences same as everyone else.
Somehow that upsets you that I've pointed out the fallacies of your 'research' from the very sources you claim. You are the one that switched sides from the original video and it's message at the beginning.
Wishing you the best though.
Kent
If you are talking to me. I have no problem being wrong. Point out where I have been please.
I don't object to you eating whatever carbs you want. I do object to you acting as if it doesn't matter how much sugar and processed foods you eat as long as you work hard and work them off. You think too much sugar in your diet means enough to gain weight from it. Too much sugar in your diet is scientifically defined as a specific percentage of your calories. Anything more is scientifically known to cause many health issues other than just obesity. Many of the ingredients in all processed foods are directly linked to health issues.
I do understand you bragging about eating some junk food in view of the extreme BS posted by some.
I'm the one who pointed out in your research links that there was an acceptable limit of processed sugar on average... 10% of calories... but that it also was dependent on activity levels. Higher activity raises the % and lower activity lowers it... No big surprise there, it's what I've said all along.
Your research links also stated that the reason 'excess' sugar can be bad is the body will store it as fat leading to weight gain and the accompanying health issues. Can move through the body as immediate energy to the cells... So yes if it is used and not stored it is acceptable scientifically.
So are you now saying 10% processed sugar is acceptable?
I'm the one who pointed out in your research links that there was an acceptable limit of processed sugar on average... 10% of calories... but that it also was dependent on activity levels. Higher activity raises the % and lower activity lowers it... No big surprise there, it's what I've said all along.
Your research links also stated that the reason 'excess' sugar can be bad is the body will store it as fat leading to weight gain and the accompanying health issues. Can move through the body as immediate energy to the cells... So yes if it is used and not stored it is acceptable scientifically.
So are you now saying 10% processed sugar is acceptable?
Kent
Reformed alcoholics have nothing on these clowns. Almost like it is their religion.
I'm the one who pointed out in your research links that there was an acceptable limit of processed sugar on average... 10% of calories... but that it also was dependent on activity levels. Higher activity raises the % and lower activity lowers it... No big surprise there, it's what I've said all along.
Your research links also stated that the reason 'excess' sugar can be bad is the body will store it as fat leading to weight gain and the accompanying health issues. Can move through the body as immediate energy to the cells... So yes if it is used and not stored it is acceptable scientifically.
So are you now saying 10% processed sugar is acceptable?
Kent
Reformed alcoholics have nothing on these clowns. Almost like it is their religion.
Yeah, you sure put me in my place..🤣🤣🤣 GTFOH you miserable fk. Let's see a picture of you without your shirt on you fat fughck.
Problem you have is you take your 'research' and what others write including myself out of context, to manipulate to your opinion and justifications.
I'm not one uping anyone, I'm stating my experiences same as everyone else.
Somehow that upsets you that I've pointed out the fallacies of your 'research' from the very sources you claim. You are the one that switched sides from the original video and it's message at the beginning.
Wishing you the best though.
Kent
If you are talking to me. I have no problem being wrong. Point out where I have been please.
I don't object to you eating whatever carbs you want. I do object to you acting as if it doesn't matter how much sugar and processed foods you eat as long as you work hard and work them off. You think too much sugar in your diet means enough to gain weight from it. Too much sugar in your diet is scientifically defined as a specific percentage of your calories. Anything more is scientifically known to cause many health issues other than just obesity. Many of the ingredients in all processed foods are directly linked to health issues.
I do understand you bragging about eating some junk food in view of the extreme BS posted by some.
I'm the one who pointed out in your research links that there was an acceptable limit of processed sugar on average... 10% of calories... but that it also was dependent on activity levels. Higher activity raises the % and lower activity lowers it... No big surprise there, it's what I've said all along.
Your research links also stated that the reason 'excess' sugar can be bad is the body will store it as fat leading to weight gain and the accompanying health issues. Can move through the body as immediate energy to the cells... So yes if it is used and not stored it is acceptable scientifically.
So are you now saying 10% processed sugar is acceptable?
Kent
personally, I don't consume any processed sugar. I do think natural sugars can be very healthy as long as a person has no issue with weight. I am not even sure what links you are referring to. It doesn't matter to me.
I do not think things like candy bars or fast food is in any way healthy as long as you aren't eating too much of it. It might not kill you right away but why eat that junk when you don't have to and would feel better without it?
I'm not against anybody having some vices. Everybody needs a few guilty pleasures. Candy, alcohol, fast food, tobacco, I personally put in the same category as not good for you, but everyone gets to decide which vices they enjoy. I just want to be honest with myself about what is healthy or not.
I truly don't give a flying fughkkkk what anyone else does. If I can tell you what worked for me...then fine. There are some weird mother fucgh kers on this site. Psychopaths..
I truly don't give a flying fughkkkk what anyone else does. If I can tell you what worked for me...then fine. There are some weird mother fucgh kers on this site. Psychopaths..
For someone that doesn't care you seem determined to keep telling us.
personally, I don't consume any processed sugar. I do think natural sugars can be very healthy as long as a person has no issue with weight. I am not even sure what links you are referring to. It doesn't matter to me.
I do not think things like candy bars or fast food is in any way healthy as long as you aren't eating too much of it. It might not kill you right away but why eat that junk when you don't have to and would feel better without it?
I'm not against anybody having some vices. Everybody needs a few guilty pleasures. Candy, alcohol, fast food, tobacco, I personally put in the same category as not good for you, but everyone gets to decide which vices they enjoy. I just want to be honest with myself about what is healthy or not.
I am with you on most of that, though I do like dried dates, which are an occasional sweet treat I enjoy immensely.
Reformed alcoholics have nothing on these clowns. Almost like it is their religion.
I feel like I am in a diet religion: 1) I once was fat, but now I'm slim is like "I once was lost but now I'm found." 2) I don't eat food unless Bobby approved*, is like needing a rabbi to make my food kosher. 3) My grandkids eat sugar, but I would like to save them. 4) The doctors on youtube I watch, say they were once fat but then went low carb...can I get a thumbs up?
Reformed alcoholics have nothing on these clowns. Almost like it is their religion.
I feel like I am in a diet religion: 1) I once was fat, but now I'm slim is like "I once was lost but now I'm found." 2) I don't eat food unless Bobby approved*, is like needing a rabbi to make my food kosher. 3) My grandkids eat sugar, but I would like to save them. 4) The doctors on youtube I watch, say they were once fat but then went low carb...can I get a thumbs up?
Well that was interesting...my wife just came in and gave me an envelope containing a card and a handful of lottery tickets, smiled and said " Happy anniversary hon...I love you".
I looked at her and thought "fuck!"...then promptly blamed my Daughter for not reminding me.
We currently seem to be having two different conversations...maybe it is because you don't speak English?
Salmonella does not speak Azzhole, Azzhole, he speaks English. Please take a few courses in English then you will understand what he is saying, OK Dummy? LOL
It's slang for a rifle. Most guys on a hunting website know that, but there are always a few with certain tendencies who want to make it something else.
But tell me why being bested by a Californian is embarrassing again?
Salmonella does not speak Azzhole, Azzhole, he speaks English. Please take a few courses in English then you will understand what he is saying, OK Dummy? LOL
What...you angling for a suck of Sal's cock are you boy.
Slurpee by name and slurpee by nature...it's the posy pics that got you, right?
It's slang for a rifle. Most guys on a hunting website know that, but there are always a few with certain tendencies who want to make it something else.
But tell me why being bested by a Californian is embarrassing again?
Never mind, I've seen a photo of you.
Don't sweat it, he just thought you were slurpee.
And was looking for a bit of action...slurpee will take care of that.
pal, if you deemed it necessary to lose weight, you've done an admirable job.
Thanks fellas.
Definitely deemed it necessary to lose weight. Though I really don't have a specific weight I'm shooting for, I'm thinking around 165 pounds should be just about right. Figure my body will tell me when it feels I've lost enough. Started the diet at 213; that's 48 pounds over 165. So this means I've lost more than half the weight necessary to reach that goal.
Among other goals had been to fit into those jeans I haven't been able to wear in a few years; I've been wearing those jeans for the past few weeks. Also wanted to reduce joint inflammation and associated pain; only taken the previously daily pain killers a couple times since.
This thread inspired me to research and subsequently adopt intermediate fasting, which I am certain is part of the "secret" to this success. My 80th birthday is coming up in just a few weeks. Avoiding death as long as possible is still the primary goal.
Was out on the lake this morning, fishing was crappie, the lake still hasn't recovered from being half full to overfilling this spring.
Anyway the highlight was seeing 10 deer in a herd on shore, most I've seen in herd for many years.
Still not handball though...
Beautiful Picts krp, looks like a great day on the water!
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by smokepole
Nice, pal!
Originally Posted by Valsdad
pal, if you deemed it necessary to lose weight, you've done an admirable job.
Thanks fellas.
Definitely deemed it necessary to lose weight. Though I really don't have a specific weight I'm shooting for, I'm thinking around 165 pounds should be just about right. Figure my body will tell me when it feels I've lost enough. Started the diet at 213; that's 48 pounds over 165. So this means I've lost more than half the weight necessary to reach that goal.
Among other goals had been to fit into those jeans I haven't been able to wear in a few years; I've been wearing those jeans for the past few weeks. Also wanted to reduce joint inflammation and associated pain; only taken the previously daily pain killers a couple times since.
This thread inspired me to research and subsequently adopt intermediate fasting, which I am certain is part of the "secret" to this success. My 80th birthday is coming up in just a few weeks. Avoiding death as long as possible is still the primary goal.
It works pal, as you have discovered. I have been hunting since last week, so I have not been fasting like I planned. I will start after I finish hunting.
Toasted homemade potato bread, 2 poached eggs, peppers from the garden I fire roasted on the grill the other night, topped with some nice grated Romano. No additives I figure, just good food.
That was breakfast. Tonight it was shepherd's pie with stew meat from the beef I got from the neighbor, some of the purple taters we got at the farmers market, carrots, and whatever herbs the wife put in it. Good wholesome food.
It is funny that the radicals are barely able to sustain a weight without extreme measures and the regular hunter gatherers here have never had that problem.
Kent
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Interesting you should bring that up Kent. I pulled the pin on my job some eight months ago to work on my house...basically eight months doing a bit of toil and a lot of whateverthehellIwant.
I weigh the same now as when I was working physically for eight hours a day. Okay, I don't eat much crap food as my wife is a cook that buys fresh...but still, no gain?
[bleep], ate too many carbs over the weekend, put on 1.5lbs, above Fridays 178 !
It is funny that the radicals are barely able to sustain a weight without extreme measures and the regular hunter gatherers here have never had that problem.
Kent
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Interesting you should bring that up Kent. I pulled the pin on my job some eight months ago to work on my house...basically eight months doing a bit of toil and a lot of whateverthehellIwant.
I weigh the same now as when I was working physically for eight hours a day. Okay, I don't eat much crap food as my wife is a cook that buys fresh...but still, no gain?
[bleep], ate too many carbs over the weekend, put on 1.5lbs, above Fridays 178 !
Lunch, for the next couple of days;
It's not the carbs that concern me. I made the mistake of minutely examining all the ingredients that go into a typical dish like that. If you make it at home and you are very careful about seasonings and how the pasta is made, I'm sure it's not terribly unhealthy. I think the majority of people are eating it out of a box or as a frozen dish and those ingredients are considered unhealthy by any competent nutritionist.
There again even if the vast majority were only consuming those unhealthy things occasionally, they likely wouldn't have nearly as many health issues from them. That is unfortunately not the case.
Now you could take that properly seasoned meat and substitute the noodles for some sautéed cauliflower, and maybe add in more onions and some different color peppers, and I would tear it up. I could damn sure tear it up as is, but the noodles won't do me any favors and I would likely wonder about them if I read the label. It may just say wheat flour or whatever, but you know that wheat is likely treated with multiple pesticides and bleached and has been genetically modified so that it is a far cry from the wheat originally grown that we would think of as a wholesome and healthy product. I'm not afraid it will kill you, but it is known to contribute to issues like leaky gut and cause inflammation, so why eat it when I can enjoy something equally delicious but healthier?
It's not the carbs that concern me. I made the mistake of minutely examining all the ingredients that go into a typical dish like that. If you make it at home and you are very careful about seasonings and how the pasta is made, I'm sure it's not terribly unhealthy. I think the majority of people are eating it out of a box or as a frozen dish and those ingredients are considered unhealthy by any competent nutritionist.
There again even if the vast majority were only consuming those unhealthy things occasionally, they likely wouldn't have nearly as many health issues from them. That is unfortunately not the case.
Now you could take that properly seasoned meat and substitute the noodles for some sautéed cauliflower, and maybe add in more onions and some different color peppers, and I would tear it up. I could damn sure tear it up as is, but the noodles won't do me any favors and I would likely wonder about them if I read the label. It may just say wheat flour or whatever, but you know that wheat is likely treated with multiple pesticides and bleached and has been genetically modified so that it is a far cry from the wheat originally grown that we would think of as a wholesome and healthy product. I'm not afraid it will kill you, but it is known to contribute to issues like leaky gut and cause inflammation, so why eat it when I can enjoy something equally delicious but healthier?
I have noticed that as I age I am less tolerant of wheat products...though sourdough doesn't seem to be an issue.
Should amend that to "sourdough you can taste", as the stuff that lacks the taste seems to be just like white bread.
Yeah, I hear you, on this & have been trying to get that point across, from my initial post !
Only commercial ingredient in that dish is the pasta.
Sauce is from home grown tomatoes & herbs, onions from the garden, wild mushrooms.
Sorry, the Parmesan, is commercial, too.
We do not eat from a box !
Nor, do we eat out at restaurants, often.
Originally Posted by RHClark
I think the majority of people are eating it out of a box or as a frozen dish and those ingredients are considered unhealthy by any competent nutritionist.
There again even if the vast majority were only consuming those unhealthy things occasionally, they likely wouldn't have nearly as many health issues from them. That is unfortunately not the case.
I'm not afraid it will kill you, but it is known to contribute to issues like leaky gut and cause inflammation, so why eat it when I can enjoy something equally delicious but healthier?
One could always get organic pasta if one is worried about the preprocessing chemical inputs. We like the Garafolo brand from Italy through Costco.
Or, perhaps even better yet, just get some organic semolina flour and a pasta maker.
That would be the way to go. It's a damn shame how bad the food is in this country. Just take a look sometimes at things banned in other countries that Americans are "allowed" by the great FDA.
Heard today about an advocacy group trying to get a red dye removed that is linked to health issues. It's in just about every red candy or drink. SOB's have been bribed by BIG FOOD, since their creation and have never given a crap about our health.
Humans, over Millions of years, have evolved and adapted to an environment rich in fatty meat/fish/foul/eggs... and almost devoid of sugar.
The brief existence of Seasonal sugar was gorged on, to either store or replenish fat for/from Winter.
The Human Body runs on fat - that's why it stores it.
And it's addicted to sugar - that's why it gorges on it, to make fat.
So, yes, if one can't go Three hours without sugar, and their body is telling them that they are dying without it (hunger pain/withdrawals), and shuts down the metabolism to protect it (starvation)?
...while a Human can simply not eat for several days, between Human food feedings, no worse the wear, happy and productive?
Back home... I forgot I was out of eggs at the cabin so no breakfasts... I ate white bread tuna or peanut butter sandwiches mid mornings, hotdogs or hamburger patties I had frozen on white bread, some chips... oh well made due...
Back home... I forgot I was out of eggs at the cabin so no breakfasts... I ate white bread tuna or peanut butter sandwiches mid mornings, hotdogs or hamburger patties I had frozen on white bread, some chips... oh well made due...
I weighted 169 this morning.
Kent
You should charge for such excellent nutritional advice. Hotdogs and chips would make everyone as awesome as you.
Back home... I forgot I was out of eggs at the cabin so no breakfasts... I ate white bread tuna or peanut butter sandwiches mid mornings, hotdogs or hamburger patties I had frozen on white bread, some chips... oh well made due...
I weighted 169 this morning.
Kent
You should charge for such excellent nutritional advice. Hotdogs and chips would make everyone as awesome as you.
He's not giving nutritional advice, he's just making the point that seems to escape a few here.
Back home... I forgot I was out of eggs at the cabin so no breakfasts... I ate white bread tuna or peanut butter sandwiches mid mornings, hotdogs or hamburger patties I had frozen on white bread, some chips... oh well made due...
I weighted 169 this morning.
Kent
You should charge for such excellent nutritional advice. Hotdogs and chips would make everyone as awesome as you.
He's not giving nutritional advice, he's just making the point that seems to escape a few here.
What point would that be, that you can eat any sh'it you want as long as you are bad ass enough? That's the way it comes across. It's no different BS than the ones bragging they eat only raw meat once a week.
You ever research a nutritional study with people, you know where they feed them like processed food, bleached wheat vs whole grain maybe?
They put them in a facility and feed them for weeks, they admit the results are mixed because of genetics and such, everyone is overweight to start with.
But what's glaringly missing is the people sit around and eat, are bored and eat... where's the activity?
There is none... so nutritional studies are based off of sedentary, overweight subjects with minor results that are variable by subject and don't include the actively fit.
Everything we eat has a nutritional value of some kind.
You weighing every day is an amazing weight loss tool. Take the average of every 3-5 days and see if the trend is up, down or same, and adjust diet and exercise accordingly. You can change the trend a lot faster if necessary than someone only weighing once a week or longer.
You weighing every day is an amazing weight loss tool. Take the average of every 3-5 days and see if the trend is up, down or same, and adjust diet and exercise accordingly. You can change the trend a lot faster if necessary than someone only weighing once a week or longer.
Weighing every morning keeps my head in the game and gives me a clue regarding how much fasting I need to incorporate.
Today I kept pulling up my pants and just had to stop what I was working on to drill another hole in my belt! While I was drilling I noticed how many creases there were next to a bunch of holes I'd shrunk out of.
Had an early lunch of 2 filet-of-fish sandwiches (without the buns) and then a light dinner of saute'd shrimp, with a Carbmaster pudding and keto bar for dessert.
Been getting more hours in, not because I have more energy, but because I have less pain, which just kills your energy.
Brand new low this morning... 182.6! That's over 30 pounds down in under 2 months.
That's awesome! Have you found that you actually feel more energetic and better all-around when eating less often? That was how it seemed for me once my body got used to it.
Thanks smoke. It's surprising me how effective this combination of low carbs and intermittent fasting actually is.
Another surprising thing about it is how easy it is to adapt to this regimen. Once you condition yourself to the low carbs, the fasting becomes, while I would not say effortless, I would say easily doable. The rest is just self determination. If avoiding death as long s possible isn't enough motivation for someone who is overweight, vastly reducing pain should at least have some appeal. I am off the daily over-the-counter pain killers (acetaminophen and naproxen sodium).
Brand new low this morning... 182.6! That's over 30 pounds down in under 2 months.
That's awesome! Have you found that you actually feel more energetic and better all-around when eating less often? That was how it seemed for me once my body got used to it.
What I have found is that the lack of crushing, energy-robbing pain allows me to continue to be active and productive beyond the point at which I previously would have succumbed to just getting off my feet or needing to lie down. Though slightly handicapped as a result of previous serious injuries (fractured pelvis and shattered calcanius), I am physically active as a boat builder, working on my feet, or kneeling, throughout the day, with little opportunity to sit or relax. Of course taking some of the weight burden off my feet is a great part of the benefit.
Been on keto OMAD (one meal a day) for a few days now. Gotta fit in the wetsuit for a two week Philippines diving trip in January. I wish I never got my 3rd degree black belt in yo yo dieting.
Not participated in this thread because it's become a chit show, but lost 15 lbs in last 6 weeks. Whole 30 diet and kettle bells, stadiums and 4-6 mile runs with some rucking. Do a few hours a week on stationary bike. A few hours of rucking. Fighting weight, didn't take me long to get there. I tore an oblique last week, but am still able to do most things.
A bit distracted with cataract surgery yesterday. Scared me, at first, when I removed the eye patch this morning. Very cloudy vision in that eye, remaining that way throughout most of the day, but finally beginning to clear going into the afternoon. Appears to have been a success, though they had to put me on some med for high eye pressure, in addition to the drops for inflammation and infection prevention.
Quite a difference from the untreated eye. Now seeing things much more brightly and sharply, in that eye. Can't overexert for a couple weeks.
That's exactly how my weight loss went for 180 lbs. I would be down 5 lbs. one day and up 3 the next. Scales bounce back and forth every day but slowly average less and less over time.
I've had reset days when I ate lots of healthy carbs only to be up 10 lbs. the next day. That's the water weight from the hydrate part of carbohydrates. It goes away quickly when you go low carb again. Sometimes a day of healthy carbs can reset your metabolism and start you losing faster again. You just want to stay low carb long enough to become adapted to burning fat as fuel and only do more carbs a day or two every couple weeks. Most people lose that 10-20 lbs water weight in the first month on low carb and stop because the weight loss stops. They don't stick it out 3 months to become adapted to burn fat.
Just an FYI, I've lost around 45 lbs while this thread has been going. I'm back down now to 180 lbs, 6'2- 55 years young. I gained that weight during 2 years of misdiagnosis and depression drinking. I had surgery the end of January to fix the injuries.
...I've lost around 45 lbs while this thread has been going...
Well done. Glad you got back on track.
Brand new low...181.8 this morning!
How are you feeling overall? I know you said less joint pain but how is your energy? Are you getting hungry between meals?
My guess is that lower insulin overall has contributed greatly to your joint pain relief. Insulin released by high glycemic foods is a major cause of inflammation.
Have you tried a 36-hour calorie fast yet? Not sure of your health situation so can't recommend it except that it can make an older man feel a lot better. You can get a boost of human growth hormone and testosterone equal to what would be big $$$ from a doctor prescribed HRT.
...I've lost around 45 lbs while this thread has been going...
Well done. Glad you got back on track.
Brand new low...181.8 this morning!
How are you feeling overall? I know you said less joint pain but how is your energy? Are you getting hungry between meals?
My guess is that lower insulin overall has contributed greatly to your joint pain relief. Insulin released by high glycemic foods is a major cause of inflammation.
Have you tried a 36-hour calorie fast yet? Not sure of your health situation so can't recommend it except that it can make an older man feel a lot better. You can get a boost of human growth hormone and testosterone equal to what would be big $$$ from a doctor prescribed HRT.
PS Congrats on the new low!
Thanks
I would be a fool to make any changes to the routine that's been producing such positive results so far.
One of the first changes I noticed was that joint inflammation was reduced, which reduced the pain with which I've been living, which resulted in me completely eliminating the daily need for OTC pain killers. Pain kills your energy. Lack of pain leaves you with the energy you had before the pain killed it. So generally I have much of my energy back.
Being off carbs I rarely get very hungry between meals, and can actually go all day, some days, without breakfast or lunch, with no real need to stop and eat. When I do take a meal break, it is more likely to be a conscious decision to do so because that happens to be a convenient time for it, rather than a response to an overwhelming craving, as it once so often was.
So I'm pretty well pleased with the results so far. And of course plan to keep it up until I get rid of some flab in such places as inner thighs, breast/under arms; hopefully more off my belly. As it is, some of my shirts look like they're just hanging off me.
Still eat food I've always loved; just low carbs. Had a VA medical appointment mid-morning, so afterwards ate an early lunch in their cafeteria. Poached Swai fillet in a light white sauce with some steamed vegetables. For dinner: meatballs in a tomato sauce plus a small salad. And a keto pancake for dessert.
Outstanding!! What is your ultimate goal? What are your plans to maintain your goal weight long term?
I am interested in what Pal has to say as well but I wanted to comment on this part. I've basically maintained my initial 180 lb weight loss for 3.5 years. It took me 1.5 years to get down to my target weight. I did gain maybe 40 lbs. but that was a special case where I thought I was dying of cancer and drank too much and ate things I knew weren't good for me. I've got back to my target weight since February of this year.
What I wanted to say though since I got the back story in, is that it's not all that hard to get to a healthy weight and stay that way as long as you continue to do as Pal has done. IM fasting combined with healthy low carb food becomes not so much a diet as a new way to look at eating. Too many times a "diet is something you suffer through to reach a goal and then throw away because it's not sustainable long term.
All I do is eat ALL my calories within a 6–8-hour window every day and I choose healthy meats, cheese, eggs, and low carb vegetables, fruit and berries and nuts. I eat as much as I want within that window and that's it. The great thing about this "Diet" is that I am not hungry all the time and I have plenty of energy all day.
Outstanding!! What is your ultimate goal? What are your plans to maintain your goal weight long term?
My ultimate goal is to avoid death as long as possible, and to be as pain-free as possible while doing so. As far as a weight goal, I have only a vague initial target of around 165 lbs. I'll let my body decide what feels right.
To maintain the final weight I plan to modify the very routine that I'm currently on, likely just bump up the carbs a little at a time, but I have no clear cut plan. Additionally I have in mind to begin rowing, for exercise.
One thing I'd like to mention: I have found that the "poke bowl", sold in many supermarket deli sections around here, is perhaps the most satisfying of quick lunches I've tried. I have on several occasions been able to make that lunch my only meal of the day and not go to bed hungry. It mostly consists of raw salmon and tuna, diced, on top of a bed of rice, which I don't eat. Also included are a small portion of crab salad and a couple of greens I can't identify. I hesitate to praise it too highly lest you guys think I'm full of crap. But it is so fulfilling and full of energy that I will risk my reputation by claiming it to be head and shoulders above common lunches.
Raw fish is no doubt not everyone's cup of tea. But it is almost magic on this diet.
Made these a couple times now on the smoker. Pretty damn good eats (with some normal adds to the patties like worchestershire, other seasonings). In the regular rotation now.
Made these a couple times now on the smoker. Pretty damn good eats (with some normal adds to the patties like worchestershire, other seasonings). In the regular rotation now.
Had pasta and a salad for lunch, with a bunch of bread and chopped garlic. And a bowl of ice cream for dessert. First bread, ice cream and pasta I've had since starting the diet. \
keep drinking the koolade (I’m a moron btw) there pork chop
That’s terrible advice kitten….this morning I drank 2 pork chops and NO koolade (moron spelling) and I can still kick your ass with both of my arms tied behind my back! 😘
If I eat carbs after a while of low carb, I will immediately show several pounds of water weight. It takes me about 3 days of low carb to get it off and often is followed by more rapid weight loss than before. I don't think it's a bad thing to have a little reset of healthy carbs once in a while.
Just got home from the VA hospital, where I've been since driving myself there on the 13th. So haven't weighed myself since then.
Had multiple strokes. While they were doing tests to find out why, they discovered a number of other serious issues. Feel almost normal now, though they have me on a heart monitor. Anxious to get back to work; have no restrictions. Nevertheless glad to be home.
Can't praise highly enough the health care professionals who helped me. A glaring exception would be the people in dietary, who simply just don't care, or much worse.
Today I worked and also was bombarded with phone calls from VA personnel making appointments. Looks like they're taking this pretty seriously and plan on operating soon. It is comforting to have so many good people watching your back.
Congrats pal, sounds like you've got it figured out. Might be a good idea to check with you Drs to see if continuing to cut weight is a good idea right before surgery though. Hope everything turns out right for you.
Congrats pal, sounds like you've got it figured out. Might be a good idea to check with you Drs to see if continuing to cut weight is a good idea right before surgery though. Hope everything turns out right for you.
Congrats pal, sounds like you've got it figured out. Might be a good idea to check with you Drs to see if continuing to cut weight is a good idea right before surgery though. Hope everything turns out right for you.
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by smokepole
Congrats pal, sounds like you've got it figured out. Might be a good idea to check with you Drs to see if continuing to cut weight is a good idea right before surgery though. Hope everything turns out right for you.
Weight loss doesn't have to be from cancer, especially when he has been low carb and IM fasting, both of which would be helpful if cancer were present. The worst thing you could do if you had cancer would be to eat sugar, or any high glycemic foods.
That said, best wishes to you Pal. You do need to make sure you have a healthy diet that will help you heal any health issues as much as possible.
I'm not giving up just because of a Thanksgiving setback. That will soon be overcome. Only had one meal today. I want to see what 165 feels like before I decide where to go from there.
This on the heels of a few days in an ICU following a carotid artery endarterctomy, which is a cleanout of the plaque buildup in the artery. This was deemed necessary after the multiple strokes I experienced a few weeks ago. The operation and hospital stay resulted in a 48-hour fast, for which I was fortunately rather well prepared, due to my diet experience. Though the hospital food was quite horrible and way off my intended diet, I still managed to lose weight
The operation produced a giant hematoma which, itself, created the need for the extended ICU stay. The lingering swelling and bruising is pretty ugly. I really cannot recommend this as a weight loss technique. Anyway, they released me in time for Christmas.
Merry Christmas fellas.
Edit to add how well the VA staff took care of me. Treated me like royalty.
This on the heels of a few days in an ICU following a carotid artery endarterctomy, which is a cleanout of the plaque buildup in the artery. This was deemed necessary after the multiple strokes I experienced a few weeks ago. The operation and hospital stay resulted in a 48-hour fast, for which I was fortunately rather well prepared, due to my diet experience. Though the hospital food was quite horrible and way off my intended diet, I still managed to lose weight
The operation produced a giant hematoma which, itself, created the need for the extended ICU stay. The lingering swelling and bruising is pretty ugly. I really cannot recommend this as a weight loss technique. Anyway, they released me in time for Christmas.
Merry Christmas fellas.
Edit to add how well the VA staff took care of me. Treated me like royalty.
Merry Christmas Pal, but who is the old woman in the photo?
Down from 205 to 185 for COTA in September, first time in the 180's since the 1980's although I am back in the 190's. I need to give myself a 5lb limit rather than 10lbs and switch from OMD to a multi-day fast.
Bought an Apple watch six months ago to track sleep, I get more than I though averaging 7.5 in bed and 6.5 in sleep, pulse looks good running 49-60 resting.
Physical a few weeks ago, blood work looks great except trig and cholesterol, she offered statins again and I rejected the request again. She is fine with me working the diet and I said I will be fasting for a month or two and will go back for blood work to see if it's dietary cholesterol or my healthy liver. I did offer to give up half my liver and she said it don't work that way.
A1C is 5.3, it was like 9 before I changed my lifestyle.
Blood pressure is still elevated and always high at the doctor's office, she said because of her and I said yes, she blushed but she knows she is attractive.
Shooting for the 170's before my 60th birthday in July.
Update, I’m down 23 pounds since Jan 1. I’ve started tracking calories and nutrients and feel like it really helps plan out meals. Quit eating some calorie-dense snacks in exchange for whole meals. Stay pretty full, or at least, I’m tired of chewing food.
Down 23lbs since Feb 15th 305 down to 282. Hoping to be under 250 by June 1st and 225 by end of year. Walking 45 every morning and weight training circuit in the evening. Fasting 20hrs eat from 2-6pm. Drinking 130-150oz of water a day.
Down 23lbs since Feb 15th 305 down to 282. Hoping to be under 250 by June 1st and 225 by end of year. Walking 45 every morning and weight training circuit in the evening. Fasting 20hrs eat from 2-6pm. Drinking 130-150oz of water a day.
Sounds like it's working for you, keep up the good work!
Down 23lbs since Feb 15th 305 down to 282. Hoping to be under 250 by June 1st and 225 by end of year. Walking 45 every morning and weight training circuit in the evening. Fasting 20hrs eat from 2-6pm. Drinking 130-150oz of water a day.
Are you tracking your calories? You’re outpacing me bigly!
Down 23lbs since Feb 15th 305 down to 282. Hoping to be under 250 by June 1st and 225 by end of year. Walking 45 every morning and weight training circuit in the evening. Fasting 20hrs eat from 2-6pm. Drinking 130-150oz of water a day.
Are you tracking your calories? You’re outpacing me bigly!
I was for the first two weeks. I was roughly around 800-900 per day. I wanted to jump start the weight loss. Felt like I was starving by 10am and then all I could think about was food. I was dropping .08-1lb a day during those first two weeks. Since then I’m probably closer to 1000-1200 cal per day. I’ve adjust to the IM routine and as long as I’m drinking a bunch of water I don’t feel hungry. Sticking to high protein food with fat and green vegetables.
I try and view food as fuel and not something to mindlessly throw in my mouth (easier said than done). I know the next few months will be much harder to lose the pounds a s I start to plateau. I’ve found that weighing in on the scale everyday is vital to stay on track. I’ve heard to not do that but for me it keeps me accountable.
Down 23lbs since Feb 15th 305 down to 282. Hoping to be under 250 by June 1st and 225 by end of year. Walking 45 every morning and weight training circuit in the evening. Fasting 20hrs eat from 2-6pm. Drinking 130-150oz of water a day.
Are you tracking your calories? You’re outpacing me bigly!
I was for the first two weeks. I was roughly around 800-900 per day. I wanted to jump start the weight loss. Felt like I was starving by 10am and then all I could think about was food. I was dropping .08-1lb a day during those first two weeks. Since then I’m probably closer to 1000-1200 cal per day. I’ve adjust to the IM routine and as long as I’m drinking a bunch of water I don’t feel hungry. Sticking to high protein food with fat and green vegetables.
I try and view food as fuel and not something to mindlessly throw in my mouth (easier said than done). I know the next few months will be much harder to lose the pounds a s I start to plateau. I’ve found that weighing in on the scale everyday is vital to stay on track. I’ve heard to not do that but for me it keeps me accountable.
Makes sense! I’m eating 1700ish on my rest days, 2000 on cardio-only days, and as much as 2500 on days I lift. I’m generally eating at least 200g of protein a day.
I saw that original report. What a joke. Did you watch this video which goes on to explain what a joke the survey was, or did you just post it for the controversial title?
Been on the program for about six months now. I started at 247 pounds. I’m only 5’5”. Hadn’t been moving or exercising much due to a bad injury. Diet consist of normal things but a lot of stuff out of bags from the grocery store and sometimes even the gas station.. From what I’ve learned, it was very high and sugar and starch which is bad
After watching some of the videos posted here, I completely changed my approach because I wanted to drop some weight and drop it fast. I completely cut out carbohydrate. I guess you would call it a keto deal. I’m only going high, fat and whatever protein comes along with it. Pretty much eat bacon, pork belly, butter, and an occasional ribeye or beef steak that I try to remove most of the meat from and only eat the gristle and fat. I don’t like vegetables anyway so once in a while, I’ll have iceberg lettuce or Steamed cabbage with about a half a stick of butter slathered on
I weigh 94 pounds now and look fantastic. Not sure how to post a picture. I’ve lost a little bit of muscle it seems. I can barely get out of bed to get to the sofa, but I can deal with that because I’m healthy now. I can keep this diet for the rest of my life so I’m not stopping now just when I got it going right direction. Hopefully I can get down to 83 pounds by June when I have to put my swimsuit on.
Been on the program for about six months now. I started at 247 pounds. I’m only 5’5”. Hadn’t been moving or exercising much due to a bad injury. Diet consist of normal things but a lot of stuff out of bags from the grocery store and sometimes even the gas station.. From what I’ve learned, it was very high and sugar and starch which is bad
After watching some of the videos posted here, I completely changed my approach because I wanted to drop some weight and drop it fast. I completely cut out carbohydrate. I guess you would call it a keto deal. I’m only going high, fat and whatever protein comes along with it. Pretty much eat bacon, pork belly, butter, and an occasional ribeye or beef steak that I try to remove most of the meat from and only eat the gristle and fat. I don’t like vegetables anyway so once in a while, I’ll have iceberg lettuce or Steamed cabbage with about a half a stick of butter slathered on
I weigh 94 pounds now and look fantastic. Not sure how to post a picture. I’ve lost a little bit of muscle it seems. I can barely get out of bed to get to the sofa, but I can deal with that because I’m healthy now. I can keep this diet for the rest of my life so I’m not stopping now just when I got it going right direction. Hopefully I can get down to 83 pounds by June when I have to put my swimsuit on.
Don’t rule out the idea of cutting your head off for another quick way to drop 20 more pounds of fat. Just remember, that will also make you shorter, so your BMI WILL be affected. 🤔
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