let's pay attention to semantics.

Wiretapping versus surveillance.

Comey just stated for the record that Obama didn't order any surveillance on Trump, and no record found that he was wiretapped.

And there was no evidence to support Trump's Tweets.

Can he state that no one ordered surveillance on Trump and no record of surveillance was found?

They are all pretty much saying Trump lied.

No order from Obama. That does not mean in reality, just legally.

Doesn't mean the feds weren't tapping someone else's phone and just happened to pick up a conversation between their target and Trump Towers.

True. My guess is we will hear a whole bunch of people trying real hard to say a lot, without saying anything important.

This will be a game of "read between the lines". Will be interesting to see what Trump has up his sleeve.

Circle jerk of the highest order

They could substitute Comey for Rain Man, only difference is we'd be watching Wapner at 5:00...

This hearing is designed and engineered to protect the government, it's agencies, and former elected officials.

It is also designed to cripple Trump and make him a liar in the eyes of the public, and world in general.

Where is Trumps proof? Does he have any? On what did he base his accusation?

That's the $60k question.

I hope he comes forth with some. Publicly.

Funny how Comey can say Russia had intent to meddle in elections, hurt Clinton, and help Trump...

He's apparently the King of Intent.

"Yes, Hillary did commit criminal acts, but no prosecutor would file a case because she had no criminal intent."

So, now he knows Hillary's intent as well as Russia's.

Trump gave an interview in which he said that his tweet was based on a couple of news stories (NY Times and Fox News), plus other source that he won't talk about because they have given it to the committee.

So since the committee has said they've got no evidence that anybody ordered any wiretapping or other intrusive surveillance, where does that put things?

The CIA, NSA and the FBI, too, have all been known to perform intelligence work together with, and for, like intelligence gathering agencies of other nations in order to circumvent laws of that particular country, allowing for plausible deniability.

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Comey is part of the deep state. If he wasn't he would have recommended an indictment of Hillary.

I'm not interested in anything he has to say.

Sounds to me, like the Democrats are still in charge.

I like Trump overall, and I like 99% of what he's done so far. But he's human and as such has some faults. One of them is sometimes spouting things off the top of his head about anybody or anything when he's mad, irritated, or wants to make a point.

Works well at rally's. Not always so much as President. I suspect this was an oops moment and if he had any evidence he would've revealed it already rather than endure the ridicule he's been getting from the left. As President he can easily de-classify any information he has and make it public.

Then Comey said they started surveillance of Trump in July '16. That was under Obama. Evidently Trump is a liar since he said they wiretapped him when really all they did was to electronically eavesdrop.

Remember, Clapper said there was no evidence of Russian collusion.

Smoke and mirrors, blah, blah, blah. He is going to cover his a$$ and all other past officials. He is another POS, run by the deep state ASS holes. Need to get rid of him.

Lot's of double talk without definitive answers, along with political poo throwing. Just a dog and pony show to keep the masses in line.

People will only remember the first statement.

Engineered to protect the gov't.

AND to trash the outsider. (Trump)

Politics and facts don't go hand in hand.

Who has the power to replace him, and why hasn't it happened yet?

President can oust him by having adequate cause . Clinton ousted sessions because Clinton said sessions used gov aircraft for personal trips. He an be impeached by congress also.

It doesn't matter. Trump wasn't elected because he is an honest guy. He was elected because he wasn't one of THEM.

He needs to leave a few heads on pike poles.

And its not that I like Trump, moreso that I hate establishment bullshit.

I am growing increasingly frustrated with Trumps lack of street smarts.

I fail to understand how he is not aware that the deep government is out to destroy him. It's not only the Democrats and many Republicans.

Realizing that he must speak very carefully and accurately understanding that failing to do so provides just the ammunition the deep government needs to destroy him.

He becomes a fool who is in over his head.

If the wiretapping existed then release the evidence. If it doesn't he needs to do some soul searching as to why he makes these statements and why he's helping to discredit himself before America.

Of course Trumps phones are tapped, along with everybody elses. Evertything that's said on a phone or on the internet is stored by the NSA, it's what the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center in Utah was built for.

Proving everyone's conversations are recorded with evidence, is another matter.

The tip of the iceberg, I hope the US democracy isn't akin to the Titanic.

I know I'm dreaming, but I like this bastard thrown in jail.

Why are worried so much about this "Tweet"? Because the Left is trying to make a case of it?

What was this "Tweet" really about? Hint: it was not Obama and his administration's spying on Trump. I'm sure they did in some capacity, legal or illegal. This was about getting the attention off of Jeff Sessions, who was getting assaulted for days prior in a media blitz. As soon as Trump Tweeted out this wiretap stuff, you haven't heard much about Jeff Sessions, have you?

This was a calculated diversion. I'm sure Trump can turn to something and equate his "wiretap" tweet back to surveillance of him or his people. We will probably find a loose connection that turns into "nothing to see hear, move along". Same as this Russian BS the Left is beating to death. "The Russians stole the election!" Yeah, right, sure. BTW, how'd the Russians cast all those votes in specific counties to elect Trump. Hmmm.

This was a diversion to protect his man Sessions, and it worked. He's smarter than you give him credit.

???

America is a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy.

I agree...wait, which bastard ?

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. The "tweet" has been far more damaging to Trump than allowing Sessions to be confirmed.

Don't listen to the MSM.

That pretty well sums it up.

I lasted about 30 minutes.

It was indeed a dog and pony show. The real briefing takes place privately. The ramifications of THAT will be coming out soon.

The Sophie's Choice for Congressional Republicans will be choosing between a populist elected under the Republican banner but who is fundamentally untrustworthy due to being in cahoots with Russia (!), or, the popular backlash against removing him from the 30% or so of Americans still under Trump's spell.

Trump knows he's in deep shït. His whole thing about being wiretapped by Obama was a classic Trump attempt at deflection. But him being under investigation for collusion is because it sure appears he colluded. It's not the "deep State"'s fault that this investigation was necessary. Nonetheless, he'd love to distract, deflect, and create some sort of false equivalency between the two.

Once it sinks into folks thick skulls that none of this means a Democratic win in the White House- that ship has sailed- I think POTUS Pence or Ryan will start looking ok. We still get the SCOTUS appointments and that was the big deal of this election anyway!

I could be wrong. We'll know in a week or so as the results of the private briefing start to leak out. Another sign will be whatever weird stuff Trump tweets out at 4 in the morning.

Saved for later

"In his opening statement, Comey confirmed — for the first time publicly — that the FBI was investigating "the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election," an inquiry which includes "individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts."

If there was no evidence, they wouldn't have been investigating this SINCE JULY. If there was no evidence, Comey would've said so.

They've got him.

Saved

Name one thing this election season you were right about Jeff, name ONE THING and provide the evidence.

Jeff, were you upset that Trump didn't shake hands with Merkel?

So 9 months later, they still have no evidence?

Doesn't really sound like "they've got him" to me.

When democrats blame you for something, you can bet your ass they are doing that very thing.

You said HRC was going be President. Hardly Nastradamus at work. "Got him", for what? Impeached? Let me get this straight. A GOP controlled House would vote for a GOP controlled Senate to remove a GOP President for what? Short of murder, it ain't going to happen. Get off your knees and quit praying for the Left to be delivered from their fate by some miraculous act of GOD. Trump beat HRC. Get used to it. Get used to it because I'm a better Nostradamus than you. I predicted a Trump victory and I predict a Trump re-election in 2020. The GOP will expand their majorities in 2018. You will suffer continued mental instability because of it. Sorry. SSRIs might help.

He's not on his knees to pray. HINT. #Hillaryhasacock

At least he's smart enough not to believe anything Comey says, Maybe he's sober.

Jeff still can't point to one thing he has been right about this political season and provide proof.

So if he predicts something, it's 100% likely at this point that he's wrong. Until he can point to something he was right about which will make it like 99.5% chance the opposite of what he says is true.

But Jeff is just a troll here, nothing more. That is why he won't respond to my challenge, or anyone else asking the same of him.

Like his post about "Here's what I think about XYZ political issue. I'm not going to respond to this thread but PM if you want to discuss."

Trump's not going to be impeached, DC isn't dumb enough to give the armed populace of this country a reason to give DC a bleach job. The crooked insiders will make every effort to make him look bad, including committing felony's. Neither party wanted Trump, maybe that's why he's popular .

Mid term elections will be interesting, old school leadership on both sides better watch out, the people of this country are cleaning house.

Donald Trump has been used to being the big kid on the block. He could say and do whatever he wished, and if people didn't like it, he just said "screw em", and that was that. It doesn't work that way when you're president. The president of this country is the most scrutinized person on the planet. Everyone's eyes, and ears, are on him 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't care what some of you think, he has no business being on Twitter in the first place.....period. If he suspected Obama of wiretapping him, all he had to was pick up the phone and order someone to investigate. If he had proof, then he should have made it public. If there was no proof, then he should have kept quiet about it until such time that he had proof. If he comes out of this proven to have lied, it is not going to bode well for his future.

You don't play poker or deal with the media, ever. Do ya?

Nothing but political theater. No hard evidence suggested by Comey in either direction.

Considering the investigation against Trump started in July, if there was any credible evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, the O administration would have nailed Trump to a cross before election day.

Jeff can't even find one time he was right this election season... Don't expect him to respond.

Dunno that. He's been an epic clusterphück of a POTUS so far, and it's not like he's a Republican anyway! I'm for thinking that there's ample congressional energy to hit the reset button and have Pence instead. That's assuming there's enough concrete evidence to do so. My guess, and that's what it is and all it is, is that they are very close to having that evidence.

Here's what Comey DIDN'T say.

"I'd like to go on record to assure the American public that Mr. Trump is a legitimately-elected president who has the full trust and support of the American intelligence services. Any rumors of collusion have been found to be baseless, and our current investigations center around finding and prosecuting those who leaked otherwise."

In fact he said pretty much the opposite.

I woke up this morning fully prepared to hear I was wrong, and that we could put this crap to bed and rally behind the POTUS. That's what I wanted to hear; I want to get this train rolling and it ain't happening with this cloud hanging over. Didn't hear that.

Hey F U C K stick, both Comey AND Admiral Rogers said the exact opposite. Further corroborated by Senator Grassley. Lay off the dope, moron

Show us ONE TIME this political season your predictions have been correct. With evidence.

Please! SOMEBODY in Oregon drive over, and show him how Joseph Goebbels ended it all and made us all happier...

If that's what you got out of the interrogation, like most liberals your living in a fantasy world.

Trump tweets that 0 tapped him.
the entire establishment goes running into the net to try to show the world Trump is a liar.
Trump trots out the proof
net slams shut on the enemy.
Trump wins....... again.
Trump is a fox.
wait for it its coming.

I think so too. Last week Trump said we'd see the evidence in about two weeks. That was after today's house hearings were scheduled.

^ Yeppers

Seek help.

Pot couldn't do this, maybe Lead as a child or some other heavy metal in the well water.....

I mean seriously,

The things you say, they just don't make sense to normal people.

30%? where did that number come from?

Untrustworthy? Examples please. and not just the gossip from DU.

"He's been an epic clusterphück of a POTUS so far,"

He's been Potus for 60 days....LOL.

Ironic, Jeffo disappeared from here for a few years while his boy barry was tearing the USA apart, we watched that destruction weekly on the news.

Jeffo hid under his covers silently while watching the chaos,

Then as the elections come close, he suddenly reappears to 'educate' us,, he's been pissing and moaning since then. Coincidence I'm sure..

Funny thing is, I don't recall any threads by Jello blasting barry while cops were being ambushed,

Any thread started on Bengazi by Jello?

Any thread on the additional 8 trillon in debt?

Any thread started on the pay to play Clinton Foundation?

Ferguson? The Riots?

but I'm digressing here.......

Jello failed at all of his former careers, refresh my memory here Jeff please, Real estate, logger, musician, music store owner?

Music store owner, turned self-proclaimed political internet savant.

I don't know what to think, so much BS in the air my eyes are burning...but time will prove it out one way or another.

I'll wait, patiently bide my time, and wait for the facts, watch the hearings, sort thru the rhetoric...then decide for myself.

I'd like Jeff, or anyone to explain, with a certain degree of logic, just exclactly how Russia influenced our election?

He is apparently succeeding in marijuana farming. Just sayin!

ETA: I saw his prediction about Krapondick in the other thread. He's into sports commentary now too. We'll see if he does better than politics.

I believe there's more to Obama tapping Trump, than anything Russia related to Trump.

Jello may be trying to distract the former, with his Russia smoke screen hope and prayer.

It appears, any profits from the grow are being utilized, 'in-house'.

He's admitted you can't even give it away in OR so he ain't making any monetary profits.

Gowdy kicked butt today!!!

I heard in a news cast today that they helped influence the election by making it "appear" that Hitlery was dishonest.......No schit! they said "appear"!

I laughed so fuqking hard I think I blew a nut!

Here, this will sooth the itching & soreness.

christ. Comey's statements regarding the hillary investigation PROVED she was dishonest.


that's the kind of [bleep] thst blows my mind.

anyone who paid any kind of attention saw what an untruthful [bleep] she was, and always has been.

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You may have missed it but I'm trying to help him out.

Wise words.

This^^^^.

Yeah, he should have shut down deep water drilling in the Gulf at 3000 ft deep as being too dangerous while giving $4 billion to Brazil (read Soros's Petrobras) to drill in waters 6000 ft deep, moron.

JellO, if you were a dog you would be a schit eater. You're so stupid you think you you're smart.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*INHALES*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just because Comey may not have been ordered to tap Trump Tower doesn't mean it didn't happen. Afterall Watergate was bugged by renegades working outside the system.

Yep....Trumps pick for SCOTUS also appeared before congress and pretty much killed it today but instead of talking about what a wise choice he made we're talking about all this FAKE Russian chit.

And by "fake" I mean the FBI's investigation of colusion as well as Trump's promise of wiretap proof will both turn out to be partisan BS.

I wonder if Trump has the goods, and is waiting for the Comney types to play their hand. Than bam, Trump that.

I should have known you'd be following me. Is there some kind of alert or something you get when I post?

No need to wonder.

Hold up there friend.

Let's cover Trump's tweets about 'wiretapping'
-Took the media heat off Sessions
-Used MSM reports about it as proof, which made the media look bad at least in the eyes of the sane because either it's fake news, or it is true
-If true, gives more than enough reason to investigate Trump-Russia collusion and find nothing (we have exactly 0 evidence as of right now)

Now let's make some assumptions
-Trump has proof he was surveilled illegally by Obama, possibly at the behest of Obama himself but certainly order of Valerie Jarret
-He's not releasing his evidence because he wants to smoke out deep state operatives like Comey, who refused to recommend charges against Clinton, and anyone else that wants to open their mouth and insert foot at these hearings

Working with those assumptions
-Trump would be poised to recommend Comey resign or to replace him, as well as a lot of people at the top of our intelligence communities
-Last week he said we'd know a lot more about everything in 2 weeks- that was after these/today's hearings were scheduled

Is Trump giving his enemies enough rope to hang themselves with? I'm going with yes, yes he does. In the campaign he has proven to be a master at it. We'll see what he does about these activist judges obstructing his immigration/refugee EOs. I'm thinking he has a plan. Rome wasn't built in a day. And you can't drain D.C. in a day, or a month, or maybe even a year.

Off topic... I'm also betting he's letting Ryan hang himself with this healthcare bill in ways that are not obvious enough yet.

Cloud of flies hoverin 50 deep over your posts is a dead giveaway, even when not downwind.

I'm sorry. I should apologize.

You've been 100% spot on about everything this election cycle.

Don't forget to re-elect President Ted Cruz and Vice President Carly Fiorina in 2020!!

He keeps responding. It's so easy.

Then name drop Cruz and it's "Why did you bring up Ted Cruz?"

About all I can do with his political posts is laugh these days.

I'll be the first to say I was wrong when ironclad proof of Trump-Russia collusion is brought forth and Trump is impeached and jailed.

And in case anyone missed it today... Comey said there is no evidence that has to support Trump's Saturday AM tweets about wiretapping.

remember guys you're dealing with lawyers who are career politicians. What is the definition of the word "is?" ring a bell?

Here's what Comey said, in a nutshell:
-I personally don't have any evidence that anyone literally 'tapped Trump's wires' as Trump said in his tweet
-I personally don't have any evidence Barack Obama ordered any surveillance on Trump for political reasons

Reading between the lines:
-Trump was definitely surveilled
-Because the Obama administration ordered it or the IC went rogue

Let's not even get into the leaks.

He just said he's not seen jack squat. And the IC would be wise, in protecting themselves, to not give Comey any of that evidence. Comey is covering his own ass.

Wasn't this the time Comey the Clown was gonna act pissed cause President Trump suggested the FBI was involved in some way, and *demand* an apology for his pure-as-the-driven-snow organization, as the NYT "reported".

You're in good company.

BINGO!

What was the #1 thing nearly every single voter thought was the #1 most important issue that defined the election. THE SUPREME COURT!

You haven't seen any real opposition to Gorsich, have you? Why? Let's see......tweets, Russia, Sessions, # of inaugural spectators etc.

Brilliant! We get the Supreme court back in order without much of a fight and hope RBG croaks soon.

And to think, some are worried that Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Ha!

Good point.

How long are the FBI/Russia/Trump/Poosay-grabbing hearings going to take vs. the Gorsuch nomination?

A long long f'n time, I just hope Ivanka shows up nude.

Reminds me of my current state of affairs with this "sycamore" wagon burner, or WTF he is.

Pat,....if it ain't "Man Crush" it's something worse, eerie, creepy, and obsessive compulsive to the extreme,.... ENERGY VAMPIRES.

Garlic man,....keep it close,....

Silver Bullets ? .....your call.

GTC

Nope. It's a man crush. I get an alert every time Pat posts via my iPhone. It's not hard to write a script that'll send me an email every time he posts something with any key words I choose in it.

Maybe I should write a script that will PM Sycamore every time you post something?

Re-elect Ted Cruz in 2020!! It's not how you pick the booger but how you eat it.

My take on all this is that Comey has outlived his usefulness to the American people.

My take is Comey will be in place until he has outlived his usefulness to Trump. Time will tell.

BF, I hear Trump cant ditch Comey until he proves unfit for the job by some perceived illegality. In fact, Comey just lately remarked he was going to be there many more years.

I hope God has other plans for the bastid.

He could fire him now, but firing the head of the FBI while they are investigating you is probably a bad look.

Good news, MM. Lets get the new SCJ installed and then fire his ass.

comey lost all . . . ALL credibility long ago.

His statement that we were stuck with him for 6 more years tell me he has dirt on enough folks to "buy" his POsition.

MORE of the swamp that needs draining . . .

Lotta pond scum in DC.

Between all the estrogen and dope running coursing through his veins, that logic you seek just isn't there...

Not just jeff...can anyone specifically state how Russia influenced our election

were they changing votes?

we're they forcing people to vote one way or the other, by duress or bribery?

aside from those direct instances...the lefts argument that Russia influenced our elections is invalid

Here's what I don't get. We are supposed to believe that the FBI/Comey has been investigating Trump since July, but did not try to intercept communications at his headquarters. Really? I'll tell you this. If the FBI, or some other alphabet agency, didn't "tap" the Trump Tower, Comey needs to lose his job.

Of course it's invalid, even obama said so in his Dec 16 interview as well as Comey, Rogers, Clapper and everyone else in the know. But the "narrative" must remain in order to destroy Trump's presidency and of course, keep it running through the mid-terms when the morons (like JeffO) will believe this tripe and vote democrat.

I think it was Hillary who initially brought it up. I DO remember listening, and thinking what a crock it was. She was obviously repeating a script designed to create a lie that could be strengthened by repetition. That's all they have. Once the allegation is made, the legal process kicks in, taking a lot of time and money, not proving a damn thing, and STILL casting doubt on Trump. Regardless of what the truth is, the allegation is TREATED like the truth. A legal system that can let a criminal like Clinton skate, is useless.

What if an American citizen had revealed the truths about Hillary, Podesta and the DNC through Wkilileaks as it is alleged that the Russians did? Where would the controversy be?
Or would that American citizen have been prosecuted for revealing hidden truths and lies?
What if the American citizen was an accredited investigative reporter? Would that have been illegal but not prosecutable as Comey suggests?
Is the only real question about the act or who commits the act? If so, why?
Of course this begs the question, is it all basically BS with no significance except political theater?

I hope you're right but I think Trump just over reacted when he learned that the feds were listening to calls between the Russian ambassador and someone at Trump tower.

Neither one of us know for sure though so we'll see.

Until that time lets go back to arguing about which beer tastes the worst because I'm sick of politics and especially sick of politicians whether elected or appointed.
And regardless of what that fugstick Comey says he is NOT an investigator/public servant, he's a bought and paid for politician.

Some of you people are asserting that the only reason Trump won was that Russians leaked info out about Hillary.

So you are telling me that HRC lost because of Wikileaks? That it had nothing to do with the horrid campaign she ran, the fact that she only campaigned in venues "friendly to her (like Palm Beach, or SoCal), and that Trump had nothing to do with the fact that the White Blue collar vote went for him because he was in the Rust Belt talking jobs, borders, and deregulation?

Come on! Put the bong down.

Trump out campaigned Hillary. He talked about things that voters want to hear about. They don;t give a care about transgendered bathrooms, but do care about jobs, security, regulation, and taxes. Bill Clinton told Hillary and told Hillary that is what she needed to hammer, and she refused to do it and instead listened to her sorry assed advisors that have never worked outside of NYC, DC, or LA/SF.

HRC lost because she is an intolerable bitch to anyone she comes in contact with, and arrogantly demanded to become the first woman President. Demanded it be presented to her as if she was the royal princess ascending to the throne instead of someone who earned the trust of the American people by her words and deeds.

Russia influenced the election? Pleeze! HRC influenced enough voters negatively without the aid of Vlad Putin to sink her own ship. The Left is in dreamland fantasizing that some miracle with occur that Trump is driven from office, Pence abdicates, and Hillary is then coronated in 2020. That's about as realistic as me dreaming that Warren Buffet deeds me his fortune and Jessica Simpon wants to sleep with me everyday and my wife doesn't see that as a problem. Dream on!

Trump will be fine. It's just the first time in his life he has encountered resistance that he can't just throw lawyers at and outspend the opposition. I suspect he's learning a lot.

I agree. To put it simply, Trump swung the rust belt union vote and THAT won him the presidency.

Did some of that have to do with Clinton's dirty laundry getting hung out? Absolutely, but it wasn't the sole factor. And frankly, I don't care who hung it out.

Trump is just starting. I hope he pulls it together and gets somethings done.

As to Comey, I have no problem with the guy. He burned Hillary down on national live TV and then threw a last minute wrench in her campaign with the announcement of a second email probe.

Hell, he could of announced the investigation into Trump and Russian ties then, and didn't. I like the guy.

Deep State Mooner

Put a "truthometer" in the chamber/meeting room.
One would most likely think the batteries were dead.
They aren't going to speak of what's really going on intel-gathering wise in an open setting.
Dog & Pony show, nothing more.

To ME it's not a matter of Russia "helping him win" or "information leaking that effected"...if there was collusion between the 2 parties, and promises/gifts owed at a later date

We have a problem

And before guys jump up my azz with defending rebuttals, nobody...and I mean nobody knows what any candidate would do to be the most powerful man/woman in the world.

I agree with that as well. Russia has a vested interest in not having Clinton in the Whitehouse. That much is obvious.

Did they cut a deal with Trump, or simply let slide out some ill gotten info to further their cause? If the former, we have a problem, if the later, not so much.

You have no way of knowing what resistance he has encountered, or how he dealt with it.

I agree,,,obviously Russia didn't pull any levers in the voting booth, obviously the propaganda may have effected the vote...I don't care about any of that, but meetings with promises either of financial/political agendas involving Campaign members or current staff...is a big issue in our way of life as we know it.

Fine the media is full of chit, but now the FBI and NSA are too ?,,and then the CIA will be lying next ? There is either a TON of coincidences, or some BS is/has taken place.

so...what are your thoughts on the documented connections between Hillary and Russia?

given Hillary's uranium deal with Russia, I don't agree with your first statement

Good, good. VERY glad to see some independent thought taking place here. Progress!

Manafort and Stone, Stone and Manafort.... if Trump has sufficient insulation from them he may survive this yet; if not, he's toast.

You should read more about the uranium deal.

I think it needs looked into with an official investigation, but the priority should be the people in power right now...for they are making decisions that effect all of us as we speak.

Considering the the Twit in N.Korea, we have serious issues at hand, those come first...in my humble opinion.

Obvious why? What vested interest. Who did the 'Russian reset?' Whose State Department oversaw the sale of 20% of U.S. uranium to Russia? Hillary Clinton.

you're missing the point. we have documented collusion between Hillary and Russia, but everyone is supposed to be scared about so far...made up allegations between trump and Russia.

personally I can't see why we wouldn't want to be allied with russia.

Read up on the uranium deal.

Obvious because of the O administrations, and Hillary's, position on the Arab Spring, the Ukraine, Russia's support for Syria, Assad........

They were on opposite ends on policy in middle east where Russia is now trying to exert more influence.

Allies, Great. Just don't turn your back on Putin. He'll fugg your dog for sure.

That's pretty much as I see it too. He's used to having his way, and not having to worry about the consequences. There is a big difference being Donald Trump the rich guy, and Donald Trump the president. The sooner he figures that out, the better off we'll all be. I am ready for him to build a wall, stop Muzzies from coming here like they own the place, put a real conservative on SCOTUS, and put faith back in this country. I don't give a rat's rearend what Obama did, that's ancient history. Just get on with what we elected him to do, and quit baiting the press....although I do like the fact knowing that they are still sore that Hillary lost. That look on their faces the day after the election was priceless.

I'll tell you, but you won't listen.

Through a series of actions against Clinton, to include emails hacked and released in batches timed to cause maximum damage and the creation and dissemination of ACTUAL fake news, which most of you guys bought HL&S, they succeeded in putting a pall over her.

Do you not remember the alt.right running wild with stories of her sex trafficking ring and so on?

In an election decided by a scant 70,000 swing votes or whatever it ended up being, it was huge. I'd say Russia swung it, but we'll never know for sure, and it's not real relevant anyway. There's no outcome from this mess that reverses the election. None.

Personally I'm fine with that as I find a Hillary to be equally destestable as Trump, just in different ways.

Of far, FAR more import now is figuring out if Trump was complicit in this. It's becoming clear that his advisors and high-ranking campaign officials were (Manafort, Stone, Flynn) so the only real question remaining is can Trump be tied to their actions.

Then, the next question is can PENCE be connected. He might have sufficient distance from all this to survive and become POTUS. If not it falls to Ryan. I don't think there's any suspicion on him so that's as far as I see this possibly going: President Paul Ryan.

Made up ?, how do you know that ??? The investigation has been going on since July, we'll find out soon....and I don't want to be friends with Putin



Exactly, he can't be trusted...cruising drive-bys on our shores to begin with...he's a POS

was any of the information released (any proof it was released by Russia?) not true?


not to mention there was already ample information put there that anyone with a brain (yes Jeff, we realize that statement doesn't apply to you) would not vote for hillary to begin with



this whole spectacle is purely about the left not accepting trump(or anyone for that matter) beating hillary. however it's just as much the establishment rattling their sabres over the fact tha the American people elected someone who is not a career politician

No, we just don't listen to Obama ball washers and a doper to boot. You've been wrong here since you first soiled this place with your liberal spooge

July...exactly. don't you thin if there was anything there that it would have been outed before the election?

don't you believe for one second thst we don't do the same damned thing with our ships?

Name one time this election season you have been right about one of your political predictions. Provide proof. Just one time, Jeff. Should be pretty easy.

Jello, let me know when China, Japan and Mexico open their borders, import muzzies, and put them on welfare.

Youre ok with the fbi not finding the leakers of Trumps discussions with foreign leaders (illegal), Comeys crew not rec prosecution of Hillary for her server (illegal), Clapper lying to congress on surveillance of us (illega), Fbi wiping Hillarys computer and helping destroy it after they investigated her (illegal), Comey surveillance of Trump, a private citizen startng july last year (illegal), DNC conspiring with Hillary campaign to rig vote against Bernie (illegal), revealing Trumps tax return (illegal).....while chasing the liberal scheme/dream of a POSSIBLE illegal Russian collusion. Nine months and no evidence. And you have the stupidity to tell someone they dont listen? You reject facts to hold to your feelings?

You are a disingenuous, socialist commie POS.

Yes, your type, as you admitted above is to ignore reason and keep up with your lies to make what you call progress with campfire guys.

Someone previously posted you were either stupid or a traitor.

I now know which.

You're not hearing me,
I haven't formed an opinion of guilt or collusion, I'll wait to hear the findings from the investigation. I don't care about Hillary's reputation nor if she hangs, but deal with the problem at hand first.

I hope all the Trump foray is total horsechit, and we can move forward as a country. We have real issues in the fore front, that need dealt with in an effective manner for the welfare of all. He should stop the Tweeting BS, and quit pissiing down the backs of most of our allies, we may need them soon.

Basically he should grow the fk up, and start sleeping with his wife...she's the hottest First lady in history

Jaguar, there's too much stoopid there to address.

We're gonna find out. I've put my hand on the table as to what I think happened and will happen. If or when it turns out I'm correct I expect an apology from some of you.

If not, I'm not going anywhere. I'll take my medicine.

I have a deep respect for the electoral energies that put Trump in office. I LOVE populism. That's the real tragedy here. There are good Americans who are in a world of hurt due to the policies of our elected officials, both R & D, and they SPOKE.

And... traitor? For pointing out the obvious here- that it's looking more and more likely that our POTUS is explicitly co-opted by Russia? Fück you, jaguar. I'm a patriotic American. I love this country.

Name one thing you've been right about this election season. I dare you.

This whole investigation is a waste of time. The American people showed in the election that we don't care if Trump lies or uses locker room talk in private conversations. We don't care if some of his group talked to Russians. And we sure as hell don't care about his tax returns. He was a private citizen and could do whatever the heck he wanted.

Yes, he does embarrassing things nearly every day but he isn't Hilary. That's all I care about. Even if he gets impeached it was worth it to me to hear her concession speech. That and Judge Gorsuch. And repealing obamacare.

His enemies in the media can go to hell.

Dont be a dumbass gitem. We need to keep investigating Trump, which Comey said, for two reasons, which he didnt say. One, as long as they are investigating they dont have to tell the results and clear Trump, thus helping delegitimize his election and keep dumbasses like Jello in their circle jerk mode.

Also, as long as Trump is investigated they can keep leaking his private conversations to further handicap him.

I've said it before, and say it again...I hope it's all a BS witch hunt, let's prove it's all lies and move onward. For it to haunt his reign in the Whitehouse, all while trashing his integrity and reputation...certainly doesn't help anyone including his hardcore supporters.

We should want the truth if national security is at risk, and if facts aren't found then everyone can STFU.

Trump is a genius and he is too brilliant to be co-opted by Russia. Maybe the guy who Trump fired got co-opted or even his former campaign manager. But not Trump never. Liberals will say anything to stand in his way. I'm not calling you a liberal. I'm referring to people I know who are liberals. They think Trump is stupid but you don't get to become one of the richest men in the world by being stupid.

Welcome to the Fire, you'll fit right in here...I'd rather hear the facts, than preconceived notions on your good personal friendship with the POTUS

Is "Deep in the timber" akin to "sittin under a pine"

Thanks for being a reasonable conversationalist.

That may turn out to be true; and is what I said earlier: it's all going to come down to the degree of plausible insulation Trump has between Stone, Manafort, Flynn, and whomever else that we don't know about yet.

It really does not help their cause that these clowns keep getting caught in bald-faced lies, and that Trump's desperate tweets just reek of "GUILTY!"

On that note his tweets prior to the Comey hearing were singularly pathetic.

Rivaled only by his tweets based on watching FOX and reading Breitbart wacko conspiracies.

Anyone here not dismayed by that should just recuse themselves from this conversation out of sheer dumbphückitude. His tweets have been ludicrous. This is not a genius playing chess. This is a cornered dog snapping at branches.

"Anyone here not dismayed by that should just recuse themselves from this conversation out of sheer dumbphückitude. His tweets have been ludicrous. This is not a genius playing chess. This is a cornered dog snapping at branches."

Because you[a known flake] says so?

Because I [a person with a brain] say so.

Try it sometime!

Has TRH pinned all this on the Jews yet?

No thanks, I'm good using mine, and anything you say is taken with[less than] a grain of salt.

Fixed it.

Name ONE thing you've been right about this political season. ONE DAMN THING.

Ha!

When the SHTF on this for real, it'll be an interesting test of the erstwhile Conservative notions of personal responsibility and accountability. 'Cause so far it's all just dodge, weave, duck, blame, deflect, and generally act like children trying to keep a toy from being taken away.

We cannot have a POTUS that cooperated with Russia to help get elected. Period. End of story. THAT is patriotism. THAT is respect for our democracratic principles. THAT is respect for our Constitution.

Russian interference

That the fake news aimed at Hillary was fake

That members of his campaign were in contact with Russia

And soon... that Trump is removed from office in disgrace.

What if it's happened before? And YOU didn't even know that it did?

No, though I do have a large lot of pines out back...I refuse to be gullible enough to swallow any BS fed to me by the media or the Whitehouse, I'm a free thinker than doesn't allow peer pressure to influence my thought process. Which will be followed by insults by the mob, which won't change my opinion either.

Being coerced to form your opinion based on popularity doesn't fit my style...and mob mentality isn't discussion, it's just boring childish BS.

I hope it's all unfounded accusations, and the President can move forward with his term...time will tell.

What if Bigfoot is real? What if we didn't land on the moon?

Show me proof of past POTUS's colluding and we'll go from there.

Where's your EVIDENCE. Show me one shred of EVIDENCE.

ETA I only asked you this like 6 times, and the first time I don't ask for evidence, you trot out a line of BS with, of course, no evidence.

Show me PROOF of the current POTUS colluding.
Actually show me proof of ANY of his current[or past] staff "colluding" and we can start there.
"Proof", not MSM noise, proof.
So far you are well below the Mendosa line.

Wait for unsourced links to The Daily Kos and Bill Maher video clips.

And maybe some DU threads.

What most non-republicans haven't realized yet is that we are going to defend this president no matter what. At least I will. I've been a registered republican for 32 years and I voted for the party, not the name on the ticket. Trump may very well end up getting removed in handcuffs but until he does I will say anything to opposed the opposition. I'll ignore his lies and call him brilliant and a genius even though I know he's neither brilliant nor a genius. But he is a republican and so am I. I'm honest enough to admit it.

What's the point? You've decided that the entire intelligence community- hardly a bastion of liberalism- is what, lying?

I haven't answered you because you seem oblivious to reality. Life is too short. Plus... what I've been saying the last few weeks has been getting proven true like dominoes falling... you are just going "la la la la la I can't HEAR YOU!"

You can't be serious. I've been a registered republican as long as you have but there are limits to what I can support.

I am serious and you are a troll.

Hey let us know when they impeach Trump, cupcake. Until then go suck start that bong.

And there lies the difference between you and I, because I have no problem calling a bullshttr a bullshttr...once he or she has been proven guilty.

You won't have any proof because there is none. Jeff has bought into the media bullshit. The left will never be able to accept that they lost.

Wow. A guy with 4 posts is calling me a troll. I'll take my 7 posts and move along now. I'll stick with hunting and fishing questions. Take care, friend.

You mean those delightful chaps that invented the communist manifesto for revolution, slaughtered the leaders of Russia for their revolution, slaughtered and starved citizens by the 10s of millions? Actively work for gun control, open boarders, and socialist values in the USA but not Isreal? Those guys? Who'd ever suspect them. They love Christians, they love the USA. Don't forget to send your donations to the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, et al as a righteous patriot. What could Hawk know?

THAT, I can respect.

Did you find any "PROOF" yet?

Exactly.

Jeff: "I'd show you the proof but you won't believe it."

There is no proof. Here's the proof there is no proof:




He also can't name and prove one thing he's been right about. "What I've been saying the last few weeks has been proven true." You just can't make this up.

Another Jew hater, great.
GFY idiot

I'm not a vindicatiive man but I will enjoy watching you squirm as this plays out.

Saved again. Still waiting on your "proof!"

So, we have at least 2 Jew Haters, 3 trolls and a Village Idiot all in the last 25 posts.

I think Jeff_O should run for a US senate seat. The fooked up part is he'd win in OR. He'd be perfect for it.

Typical campfire

And a whole pack of Trump ball-lickers!




Oops. That was mean. Hey, I have an excuse: I'm about to go to the airport and pick up my MIL.

Bugout bag is packed and ready........

Damn........I needed a good laugh today. That ship sailed when you helped put the last POS in office. You know, the guy who did everything on his power (thankfully stonewalled at times) to destroy the America that most of us know and love.

Truthfully, this is all just entertainment as your history of making correct political calls is lackluster, at best.

As far as Trump being run out in disgrace.........You do know how the impeachment process works, correct?

George

IF any real proof ever comes forward concerning collusion, I will no longer back the person for which I voted for POTUS.
I will not however bow to the wishes of the main stream elites that are acting like a spoiled child that just received it's first[long overdue] azzwhipping.
So far there has been nothing beyond "noise".
Proof is still nonexistent.

Jeff, is that the same intelligence community who previously stated that they had found no evidence tying trump to Russia?

folks seem to forget that Comey has zero credibility or integrity

remember this is the guy who has complicit ties to the Clinton foundation, as well as the guy who stated on record that while other individuals who did exactly what Hillary did would likely end up prosecuted he wasn't reccomend in prosecution for her?

yet people like Jeff, somehow think Comey is an objective non partisan

Enough with the facts. Jeff's reality is what Jeff thinks.

Facts and the Campfire rarely go hand in hand. This is where we cook up wild azz cornspiracy theories and blame everything on the Joos, Deep State Operatives, and whoever else the media spoon feeds us.

Facts be damned!!!!

FACT: Jeff thinks there's Trump-Russia collusion going on.

FACT: Since at least 7/16 the IC has been investigating Trump-Russia ties. No evidence of collusion yet. This has been stated by multiple top IC people including Comey and Clapper. If they had something we'd have heard about it by now. Probably long before trump was elected or sworn into office.

You gonna fugg up a good thread with facts. Throw in something about the deep state, lady gaga eating babies, or at least that it was Hillary all along feeding info to the Russians so she could throw the election and then destroy Trump once he was in office (Insert evil laugh here).

Anybody want pizza? I hear this place is killer....

https://www.cometpingpong.com/

I will grant you that Lady Gaga is actually a man. Cuba Gooding Jr dressed up as a woman in fact. I know it for a fact- I saw it in the movie Machete Kills!

Lol! Gonna put it on Netflix tonight.

Jeff,
Have you considered the intelligence community is now part of what is referred to as the deep state?

The deep state is various bureaucrats that have not been elected and aren't accountable to the voters.

All they care about is their cushy jobs, pensions , benefits and power.
Throw into the mix idea-logs appointed by Obama.

These are self serving people who care nothing about the tax payers, whom pay their way.

The fact that they hate Trump and trying to destroy him should be evidence enough.

Do you trust these people and the main stream media?

Have you taken note of the hypocrisy of these people?

Do you trust people with an agenda?

Again there is no proof of collusion between Trump and the Russians, you haven't and cannot provide proof.

Do you have proof that Russia interfered with the election? if so how?

Apparently you cant see the deep state isn't a Republican/ Democrat issue, it is a establishment/ big government versus the people. The very people who pay their wage.

Does it bother you that they can just make accusations with no proof?
How would you like it if someone slandered you, called you a pedophile or some vile thing and you were forced to prove otherwise?
So Jeff how often do you have sex with children?
See what I did there?

Does it bother you that they are using the state and it's resources illegally to go after political opponents?

Again how did the Russians make me vote for Trump?

Do you believe these leaks are a felony?

Do you believe it is ok to spy on a political opponent?

You should at least try to answer these question if you want to retain a shred of credibility.

Watch the original first.

You got Steven Seagal as the bad guy in the first one and Charlie Sheen as the bad guy in the second one. Thank me later.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985694/?ref_=tt_rec_tti

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2002718/

I am at a loss as to how Jeff is so sure Trump is in bed with the Russians. This is quite simply, a lie. With the GOP AND the Democrats both gunning for Trump AND in charge of the intelligence community, it is preposterous to imagine he could keep such a thing under wraps. If he CAN, I want him on MY side. They are making a big show about nothing at all, with the sole intent being to damage a Trump Presidency. The truth be damned.

Is anyone that discuss' history a Jew hater? Tell me, how many people did the Bolsheviks kill? You want to work with pre over throw numbers to feel better? Pales in comparison to Germany's numbers, but look at all the humanitarian work they do now to make up for it, you know, like those trespassers that lived in Jerusalem before the European jews got there. They (Bollsheviks) were composed of 1/2 or more of Jews yet the Jews were less than 5% of the Russian population. They immediately imposed gun control, absolved right of assembly, free speech. But hey, if it's good for Isreal its got to be good for the USA, right? It's not like they'd spy on us or attack us, that's just for whackos to believe. Any mention of history and you're a Jew hater, right?

Can you comprehend the nuances between "necessary" and "sufficient". Comey's flirting was necessary. No one said it was sufficient. Work on that for a while.

Because he surrounds himself [b][color:#3333FF]with idiots who are also convinced[/color][/b], regardless of what the evidence says..

Your pushing O for potus sure helped the US out-of $10 trillion. That sure did us a lot of good.

Muzzies bring down the WTC. We will never forget. Obama and progressives jack up importing muzzies. A Palestinian moslem group brags about setting the Az fire that killed 19 smoke jumpers. Al Qeda America website instructs US muzzies in starting wildfires in areas of drought. 82% receive public assistance. Pure progressive genius.

Bwaa! Bwaaaaaaaa!

Still watches MSNBC

Things I see: Russia-Clinton connections

I didn't like it when Sean Spicer said yesterday that Mike Flynn was a campaign volunteer and that Manafort had a limited role in the campaign when he was the actual chairman.

Talk like this looks like they are distancing themselves from these two. Like they know something bad is coming. Unless he was told to say these things specifically he shouldn't have said anything at all. Why give fodder to the news outlets.

You might want to read the text from his testimony and pressers regarding HRC.
Then get back to us.
And which democrat were you 'here' pre-election? There's so many of you it's hard to keep up.

"A very limited role, for a very short time"

And another shows up...again.

Exactly. Say nothing instead. It's so damned obvious what Spicer is doing. Calling Flynn a campaign volunteer might be even worse. Makes it sound like he was a nameless teenager handing out flyers in the parking lot. He was speaking on stage as the warm up to Trump most times.

I guess these statements could be harmless but they sounded suspicious to me.

I've been here, thank you...and that's exactly what he said, ya know facts ??? Or are only we responsible for our words ?, those aren't "fake news words", that came out of his mouth.

People like jeff_O are sheep that can't think for themselves, they only blindly follow. He has chosen to live in a fantasy world like most liberals. He will gladly yield all his freedoms for a false sense of security promised by a bunch of bureaucrats only interested in their own personal gain. Some people just don't have the capacity to think logically and understand only what they are told.




















[/quote]

Yep.

It's not hard to get a sense of things... unless you let partisanship close your mind...

Spicer was flat out lying. Bad optics.

"Bad optics" lol

A month.Who were you the last time?

hey Jeff...the man with a brain...did you ever figure out how to.open a nosler box

Maybe after he gets the Nosler box open and his velcro shoes velcroed he can find evidence of Russian collusion with Trump and post it here.

I'm just a new guy, who wonders why he came sometimes.

I care about you grouchy recalcitrant SOB's... I really do.... and while it's going to be somewhat amusing watching you guys eat crow, considering how much shït you pitch me, it's also very concerning to me that you are in such utter denial about this. You're gonna get dope-slapped HARD. I suggest you turn down the partisanship and then turn on your brain. This is really not that hard to see the rough outlines of. The information is all out there.

It couldn't be more clear, now, that members of his campaign (Manafort, Stone, Flynn) colluded. The only remaining question is whether Trump can be tied to it. Based on his hysterical guilty-as-sin-incarnate tweeting.... I say "yep!" But we'll see.

It's almost like you've been in a Coma for the last 8 years...

Show us the money (AKA evidence)

Yep it is all getting very clear now.

Soon, President Ryan will be taking the oath.

I could, but since the link isn't to Breitbart you'll just start in on your MSM crap.

Don't be scared. If your evidence is valid it will stand on its own merit.

Otherwise you're just too scared we'll prove it is false and rebuke it.

And none of this anonymous source crap either. Anyone can make up garbage.

Here, let's start with some facts:

FACT: Jeff thinks there's Trump-Russia collusion going on.

FACT: Since at least 7/16 the IC has been investigating Trump-Russia ties. No evidence of collusion yet. This has been stated by multiple top IC people including Comey and Clapper. If they had something we'd have heard about it by now, right? Probably long before trump was elected or sworn into office. So is this Deep State protecting Trump who threatened to 'drain the swamp?'

I'll read the link I rarely visit Breitbart. Please show it...show us the money. What date are you predicting Trump is out of office? Sounds like it should be no later than Friday, right?

I'd suggest you hold on to that box of fireworks you bought for the inauguration and didn't get to use...I know how disappointing that is because last summer I brought home a bunch and we got rained out...but that was a different bitch called mother nature; at least we have no choice in not voting for her, right? Independence day is coming up and you can always use them then. It's a SURE thing..assuming Russians haven't parachuted into our schoolyards...I saw that happen once.

I have no idea the timeline. Sooner rather than later. With Congress in R control it has to become intolerable before they will move. You can see right here on his thread that clearminded Trump supporters are starting to see the outlines of the whole thing... that will increase... as it does, the political risks decrease for congress.

Ask yourself this, impeachment-doubters: would Congress rather work with Trump, or Pence? Mmm hmm.

ev·i·dence
/evədəns/
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"

Post it, Jeff_O

I'm sorry Jeff. I'm sure you're a good guy, but YOU'RE NUTS!

I take it Jeff_O has no evidence whatsoever.

How could you be THAT stupid when even obama (you know, the marxist POS YOU voted for) said in an interview on 16 December there was NOTHING there as well as Comey, Clapper and Rogers. Feel free to post YOUR FACTS as I've done above and yes given your track record here, you're a treasonous POS.

Ha ha ha. Thats why you voted for Zero, huh?

You remind me of this guy who said "I jus wanna hep you out", except you're dumber.

So Jello, how did the ruskies get us guys to vote for Trump?

Русские заставили меня голосовать за Трамп.

Сделай Америку отличной, товарищ.

So far we haven't seen any "hard" evidence of collusion, public knowledge at this point simply consists of "coincidences" and untruthful denials of members of the Trump campaign having met with Russians during the campaign. The information out in the public domain does looks somewhat suspicious but so far we have not seen any evidence that could bring charges or be prosecuted for. If there is any damming evidence, it's still classified and it is only being discussed behind closed doors. That is where we are at it this point, the sooner this investigation is resolved, the better. There will be a dark cloud hanging over the White house so long as this issue remains unresolved.

Personally, I'd say that the Russians best hack was that time they got Hillary to agree to play the part a cackling beotch and then call half the Country a basket of deplorable's.

Total Manchurian candidate move right there.

That colluded the fughh out of me. Before that I was like, totally undecided.

Jello, how many ruskie spies did your pals release back to russia in one fell swoop in 2010? Ten, oh yeah i remember now.

How much money did your hero the zero give the muzzies to take their five muzzie commanders back from Gitmo? $5,000,000,000.

How much did your hero the zero give to Iran for not destroying their missile program? $150,000,000,000.

How soon after investigating Hillary did the fbi help her folks destroy her computers because there was nothing to see there? Oh, the next week?

Don't forget Hillary selling 20% of U.S. Uranium to the Russians..

Jeff's a good guy?

Interesting.


Dave

good
/ɡo͝od/
adjective
1.
to be lacking in evidence.

Not many guys on here I wouldn't have a beer with, around a campfire. Can't agree, can still have a friendly beer!

Jello, this chitt happend because of turds like you. I could tell you the road to hell is paved with....

Never mind. You dont even believe in Hell, and you helped this child experience it.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/sanctuary-policies-led-to-brutal-bathroom-rape-of-14-year-old-schoolgirl/

Trump has not always outspend his opponent in court until he 'wins' , he has in cases encountered a strong opponent
and been forced to settle...the most recent 'never settle' court backflip by Trump being the 5000+ students case against
Trump University..with Trump giving them $25 million.

Obama would invite people for beer. i think he was trying to get in their pants though.

Make sure ya get your beer in a clear bottle, and twist the top off yourself.

HA! Will do...

FIXT.

Not THAT friendly!

But, of course, you could support Hillary, of course, right? :whistle

You just cant stand a DOJ where 97% supported Hillary to not support Trump. You cant stand a proven liar and Hillary supporter like Comey saying Putin was pulling for Trump, and with no evidence. Well, its the seriousness of the feeling.

So, thats what put you off your feed, huh?

Did someone say beer ?

Jeff must colluding with the Russians, gathering evidence.

There is something seriously wrong with Comey. At best he thinks he is J. Edgar Hoover, without the cross-dressing perhaps. But he's not. Even Sarah wants him gone. The game he is playing, and it is a game, puts the Republic at risk.

Point well taken. Presuming to know what somebody else knows,or doesn't know, is the ultimate in stupidity.

Comey a Hillary supporter? REALLY? What the hell are you smokin'?

I guess you can say anything, but why be stupid about it?

Clearly Paul Ryan will survive beyond what Comey will. He is a high order flake.

He has connections to the Clinton Foundation.

Leroy, Jaguar is completely right. Shouldn't you get informed before developing such strong opinions? Comey is in the bag for clinton, to the point of needing to be locked up - as in jailed.

If she had been held to the same standards of law as that transsexual Bradly manning she'd be serving life in jail.

And free beer.

I guess Bwanna forgot that after "investigating" Hillary the FBI assisted in the destruction of her computer, even though there was nothing to see or glean from it.

Hadnt it been subpoenaed by congress and the emails she had had professionally removed- all illegal. But, Comey held that the smartest female lywer in the world wasnt paying professionals to "clean" it with malice. She shouldnt be held in contempt because she made an innocent mistake.

Collusion- Boeing and et al giving her foundation money to get her to okay their contracts with putin and to rebuild the Iranian air force. Hey Bewanna, nothing to see here.

Oh, foreign agents could meet privately with the US Sec of State, just put a few cool mil in the clinton money pot. Who cares if she illegally sells US access for her own personal gain, even if it is illegal. Hey, shes a card carrying member of the A (hole) team. Right, Jello.

And Benghazi. May her, obama, and all others rot in hell for leaving our men to be butchered by those savages. Yea, it was the video.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/fbi-...-clinton-foundation-connected-bank-hsbc/

Hey, it was an honest mistake, as was her tapped unsecured server she was using while discussing his travel and location timeline. She even killed her own foreign ambassador, but hey, she cares about grey ghost, jello, bwanna, you and me mightily.

Going to be a lot more difficult since comey let all the computers be scrubbed with bleachbit. Of course everyone got immunity. Criminal bastards. They actually give a lot of criminals a bad name.

I guess Jello and Bewanna forgot about this. Well, maybe they can get someone to explain it to them.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/clintons-connection-to-fbi-official/

So, how many more months or years should we pay them to sit on their ass? They been looking for 9 freaking months! You think we should pay them to look for nothing the rest of their lives, 3 mo, 6 mo, 1 yr, 3 yrs? They retire well off at our expense, B. How long you think before maybe they should investigate real crimes, like leaks, like how much different countries paid the clinton foundation to be able to meet personally with her? Its a crime to sell access to members of the US govt. Tell us how concerned Comey is about that?

I'm not a fan of Comey, and certainly don't dictate protocol to the FBI or NSA. I'm not and haven't been a Clinton supporter, if she's guilty hang her...she ain't my sister I don't f'n care.

Washington has always been dirty, and many have retired fat and rich on our dime...I didn't invent the system nor condone it, I just live by the rules like all the other stiffs.

Some people will believe anything if it suits their prejudices.

So why did he rec no prosecution of Hillary after enumerating her illegal activities.

Why did the FBI, after investigating her and her computer she had a professional illegally "clean" after it was subpoenaed by congress, then aid her people in destroying it? That is illegal in itself.

WTF are you asking me ?, I didn't make any comments in support of Comey or Hillary...for all we know she's under investigation too, it's not like they're going to spill the bean on every case on national TV.

I want the truth, then move on with running the country...Mr.T needs to do his job, and quit playing Twitter games. And assigning Ivanka an office in the West wing, along with Security clearance will just demand more answers from the administration.

Maybe so, but after 8 years of Mochelle, the place definitely needed an upgrade in the scenery.

Fo sho bro.

I agree it's an upgrade in scenery for sure, and I like her style...but without separating business issues it's going to stir up the wasp nest...that's the law, not my OPINION.

It's called "I'm embarrassed because my candidate for POTUS had her azz handed to her by Trump" so I changed my handle. There are quite a few.

If you're implying I'm not new here, GFY...there are a number of members here that know me from other sites for years.

"I've been here, thank you."

Contradicts:

"If you're implying I'm not new here,"

It's all good though.
And NO argument about "your candidate"

If you go back and read, you implied I just showed up to the thread...I stated that "I'd been here", as in the past 2-3 hrs...believe me or not, IDFC

Ha. Plain to see you were smart enough to vote for the lion instead of the buffalo cow.

Again, it's all good.

Now, riddle me this please:
IF the Trump Team/Admin has been being investigated[just disclosed in this weeks hearings] since July 2016, would ANYONE not think that there has been surveillance as part of that investigation? That Obama wouldn't have known/had a hand in this? Or that the "establishment" wouldn't have either?
This wasn't "new news" to many that acted surprised, of that you can be assured.

These are informative reads.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-listen-jim-comeys-testimony-monday

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-what-comey-said-today



Here's the mantra: Manafort, Stone, Page. If Trump has plausible insulation from them he might survive this. If not, he's toast.

Looks like Manafort might get thrown under the bus.

http://bigstory.ap.org/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&v=QS2a44F5TgM&ab_channel=MeredithDake[/video]

Hey cupcake, do let us know when they impeach Trump. In the meantime I'm still working on getting funds so we can send your vagina 110 gallons of personal lube for the next 4 years.

I read your links. Nothing but speculation about what Comey said.

Let me repeat that Jeff, in language you will understand. Zero evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. You have yet to post any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.

2005, 2006, 2009. ?????

Private citizen?

As I've said, the key to this will likely be whether Trump can plead plausible deniability. Because clearly, top people in his campaign were deeply in the pockets of Putin.

Trump might just be clueless enough that he didn't know any of this at the time. I'll grant him the benefit of the doubt. You guys think I'm on a witch hunt, but I'm not: I just want the truth, and then whatever consequences flow from that. If the truth is that Trump didn't collude, great! Let's put it to bed and let the man get to work trying to fix the problems he was elected to address.

That's just not what I'm predicting. I'm predicting he's guilty as sin and it takes him down.

You guys are in this fighting retreat whereby stuff you were denying scant weeks ago is now coming out as true... so you're trying to move the finish line so to speak. It won't work. This is only very obliquely about what "you" think. There are grownups at work who don't hork down the latest Breitbart conspiracy theory with their morning coffee. They'll get this figured out. Not you guys.

Deeply in the pickets of Putin? You might see that, but I dont.

If Trump has not had impeachment proceedings started by 9/22/17 will you leave this site forever?

Start googling. It's out there.

You are as delusional as your democrat friends. The revelation indicates that allies of Obama used their position and power to surveil the Trump Transitional Team.
Comey said on Monday that there were no FISA warrants issued with any Trump surveillance. Either Comey is lying or he is not in control of his agency or privy to any other agency. This indicates a rogue condition existed a few weeks ago or still does today. Comey must be fired and a top down review of intel personnel must be conducted post haste.

The bullcrap emanating from the likes of JeffO have the relevance of dog feces.

"You guys are in this fighting retreat whereby stuff you were denying scant weeks ago is now coming out as true... so you're trying to move the finish line so to speak. It won't work. This is only very obliquely about what "you" think. There are grownups at work who don't hork down the latest Breitbart conspiracy theory with their morning coffee. They'll get this figured out. Not you guys."

But YOU have apparently.

Do you really think we ever get the real scoop,ever? Really?

My point is that passionate intensity doesn't win this day. The facts do. Whatever they turn out to be.

Jeff I know you can't help yourself but shut the hell up. No proof and there will never be any. Google it you say, google will lead you places that say Bigfoot and UFOs are real

It was all the result of a video.

Wait...

What

I saw Bigfoot get on a UFO

Sure, and Manafort has had a pad in Trump Tower since 2006 as well. Maybe Trump Tower was "wiretapped" by the FBI after all.

Manafort, Stone, Page, Flynn. Dark billowing clouds of smoke. Logic dictates fire makes smoke.

Flip the narrative 180 (have this be a Dem POTUS) and all y'all would be in full-attack mode. Since it's your guy you are in full-retard mode.

You have no facts right now. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Only feelings and what you think will happen.

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I found the Trump-Russia connection but I need Jeff's help finding the collusion

Logic would only apply if there was truth to the allegation.

Read up on Manafort.

Guess who was head of the Trump campaign during the height of the Russian play on our election?

What, exactly, did the Russian play on our election, consist of?

Did the evil Russians make you vote for Trump?

Also... as stated in another thread by my esteemed self, what Nunes said today ain't good news for Trump. Not hardly. You'll see.

What "Russian Play" on our election?

You are as full of schidt as a Christmas turkey.

You simply cannot be serious.

I'm among blind insane people! Help!!

Just cut down a 100-ft fir tree. It was leaning badly in a direction I didn't want it to go but yet I put that sucka EXACTLY where I wanted it.

I got mad skillz.

On Nunes... look closely what he said.

The things he saw in the Trump comms, shall we say, concerned him.

It is very sophisticated cyber campaign of fabricated news stories getting pushed on social media sites such as facebook and twitter. Information wars are being waged...

Yup. I am. Other than the accusation, what exactly did the "play" consist of?

Lay it out man. Lay out that evidence. We've been waiting for more than speculation and hurt feelings.

Let's see some solid incontrovertible evidence. You know, like an article with something more solid than anonymous sources where the end of the article says "we don't have any evidence any of this is true."

Just lay it on us Jeff. Don't hide the evidence.

Bullshït. Every good red-blooded Trumpian knows Hillary was running a child sex ring. Shut your piehole, liberal scum!

Was Nunes on the Trump transition team?

What things, specifically, was he referring to?

You can't answer that question, because it would prove you are lying.

Jeff, here's some facts. Benghazi, our men butchered by savages while the president (that no one knows his real name, barry something), went back to sleep. Now lets say President Trump completely mis-spoke. So what? And by the way Jeff, who's not under surveillance? You're either very insincere or completely unhinged.

We are all under indirect surveillance, is my understanding.

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

https://news.grabien.com/story-nunes-fbi-not-cooperating-our-investigation-trump-camp-surve

The FBI is not cooperating with the House of Representatives' investigation into the NSA's surveillance of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, the chairman of the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), said today.
During an explosive press conference outside the White House, Nunes told reporters that communications from the Trump team were picked up and disseminated within the government during the 2016 campaign. Nunes said sources within the intelligence community presented him with the information. He spoke to the press after briefing the administration.

"We don’t actually know yet officially what happened to General Flynn," Nunes said of how communications from Gen. Flynn's calls were leaked to the press. "We just know that his name leaked out but we don't know how it was picked up yet. That was one of the things that we asked for in the March 15th letter, was for the NSA, CIA, and FBI to get us all the unmasking that was done."

"And I'll tell you, NSA is being cooperative," Nunes continued, "but so far the FBI has not told us whether or not they’re going to respond to our March 15th letter, which is now a couple of weeks old.”

Nunes also reported that as of now, he "cannot rule out" President Obama ordering the surveillance.
And contrary to earlier media reports, Nunes clarified that the surveillance was not related to the FBI's investigation into possible collusion with Russia. This surveillance, he emphasized to reporters, does not "have anything to do with Russia."

And since Jello will melt if he sees the truth:

Yup. Trump's in trouble NOW!

The hooks are set. Jeff's gonna be on suicide watch soon. Jeff, you can PM me for a suicide number hotline. I'll talk you off the ledge, the fast way.

None of this is good for Trump. You'll see.

How much pot do we have to smoke to see it? Cause it doesn't make the rest of us hallucinate the way it does to you, or at all.

Do we need to drop acid or take mushrooms or something? Peyote?



Oh crap. I just figured it out. It's these new synthetic hallucinatory drugs called CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC.

It's telling that you're DEFENDING the old hag, here, again.
......speaks volumes about who, and what you aren't, Jeff.

GTC

http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/170321-Final%20Whistleblower%20Letter.pdf

Jump for Trump!



unfortunately, Jello is all talk, little action.

Ok, got the tree bucked up. Did I mention it landed exactly where it was supposed to? Gotta get that in there since the last tree I dropped- a huge cottonwood- didn't do what it was supposed to. This was revenge. Vindication. Affirmation of my sheer awesomeness. Like I needed THAT, but, you know...

Guys... try to see this objectively... Nunes wasn't wigging because there were intercepted communications between the Trump team. He's wigging because of what's in those communications. Remember, there was a classified briefing after the public one on Monday. Why was he gonna go talk to Trump about this? Not because these exist; that's been known since prior to Steele, unless you are a Trumpian with your head up the Breitbart butt I guess. It's what's IN THEM.

Poop. Fan. Inbound.

Greg, I deeply dislike Hillary Clinton. Hag is too nice a word. I did not vote for her. Period.

You guys want to see a picture of my ballot?! Would that put this to bed?

We'd like to see your evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. We don't really GAS who you voted for.

You've clearly stated multiple times your voting preferences,

So funny, Weekday and your in the backyard playing, still no job huh?


stop embarrassing yourself, just walk away.

Oh... I have a job all right.

Mr. Bigfish, I have as much hard PROOF that there was collusion as you have that there was not. The difference is that all signs are pointing towards it happenenjng and no signs are pointing the other way. The other difference is since I'm not wedded to either POS party I'm able to read the tea leaves with some degree of objectivity... unlike you.

This thread has become ontological.

Makes you an even bigger idiot than if you had voted Clinton

Cool...... now show us the one where you voted for Obama. That's the one that shredded your credibility.

Not that voting for Johnson helped it any.

George

You actually took a picture of your ballot...why would anyone do that? I just can't imagine.

For exactly this reason.

Jeff,

Not really concerned about it more just a pondering, have you considered a plan 'B' for if you are wrong? I know you'be got the goods and the insight that none of the rest of us have, and all that but still? There will come a time, not long either where this will have to be settled...I think you're wrong, quite sure of it. If I'm not correct, I'll issue an apology...you may recall I offered to do one better. But what will you do, you know in that 'remote' chance that you are off in your estimations?

Will YOU apologize? Will you disappear? Will you move on to a wild conspiracy theory to keep it all going? I hope you have a job or something meaningful to fall back on. Wouldn't want this to leave to big a void in your life...you know, in that remotest of chance this doesn't play out the way you are so convinced it will.

Cool...... what about one prior?

Good God man, he's already admitted to that treason verbally! I don't think anyone need see a picture as ugly as that ballot.

I'll own it if I'm wrong.

Nobody needs to apologize to anyone... we are all adults here and if we didn't have thick skin we wouldn't be members of this wacko forum.

Just cussin' and discussin' as Dober used to say.

Just step back for a few years again, "get your head right".

We'll call if your needed here.

Here's a backyard pic for ya Kenneth. Goes for 1/4 mile past the fence you see. Blurry, but Chloe is in it, so fuggit. Anytime I can get a half decent pic of that dog I keep it. She's damn near impossible to get shots of... uncanny ability to move at the last second.

I could get NH K9 lost in that back yard....................

Laffin'........You're the only guy I know that brags about getting lost on 5 acres. Some of us actually spend days (weeks) self-supported in big woods (from ME to CO).

Oh, by the way, you'd have to keep up to get me lost and that ain't likely to happen on my worst day.

Also, congratulations on actually putting that cute little tree down where you wanted it. If you spend more time practicing, eventually you won't have to celebrate.

This thread is hilarious on so many levels.

LOL, 5 acres of moderate woods can be spooky after an 1/8th of shrooms. Pixies, trolls, talking bullfrogs, a talking dog (that needs to either get neutered or knocked up)..after a while they all start speaking in Russian..and telling you..things...about the president.

Jeffo does a little work, then steps back and snaps a pic,

'Honey, look what I did today!'

So proud of you.

Challenge accepted.

I know the problem with Jeff_O and why he won't give us the evidence he claims to have. Please note he won't give it to the press, either.

You see, Jeff is so fugged up because he was a subject in Project MK Ultra. That's where the CIA experimented with mind control via drugs and hypnosis. You see, the repeated doses of LSD totally fried his brains.

In his effort to get Hillary Clinton elected, Jeff worked with John Podesta in the Russia collusion efforts. Jeff was sworn to secrecy by the FSB under penalty of death. That's why he won't divulge the evidence. There's an FSB agent in OR waiting for the go-signal to take Jeff out. There was a failed assassination attempt a few years ago, and that's why Jeff smokes pot for his PTSD.

Кодовое слово - синяя лента находится на коробке пуль

This^^^. Gutless middle of the roader. Stupid takes a picture of his stupidity.

Hahaha. Good one. So did JellO.

There would be something to be said if the Republican party knew they couldn't count on us when they hand us a McCain or Rommney.

I
This^^^, and what Jell0, the commie, hopes and believes will happen.

Remember, you gotta "Just Believe".

yep.

He's mad.

Proud Libertarian voter and took a photo!!! Just funnier more pathetic all the time.

You sir, are a liar.

Ok, big mouth, I have video of Clapper, Comey and Rogers saying
there is no evidence of Trumps collusion with Russia. I have video of Clapper and Comey saying there were no votes changed by Russia for Trump.

Show us otherwise.

Jell0, please, genius that you are (your mom and 4th grade teacher said so, right?) tell us why the FBI instructed Hillarys crew how to destroy her computer since there was "nothing on it" after investigating her.

Your move, Jeff. Find us someone currently in the IC saying Clapper, Comey or Rogers is wrong about no collusion. Egg McMuffin/Evan McMullin does not count and he's not in the IC anymore.

Remember, keep your eye on the ball and swing for the fences.

Just curious, how is a Libertarian vote worse that a watered down socialist the Republican party hands us? Personally I couldn't have lived with myself if I had somehow contributed to criminalhil winning, so voted for Trump. But lets not forget President Trump has been a life long liberal, he's proposing a tax for the wall, trillion dollar infrastructure, and Trump care. Not exactly what I was looking forward to.

Trump has already kicked serious ass.

Johnson is goofy and the Libertarian platform has some goofy elements for sure. It's a protest vote. The R's and D's are, in my opinion, both parties of FAIL. We gotta change the paradigm.

I'm a small-L libertarian.

You guys reading MSM tonight? The leaks are starting to come out about what is known... they've got campaign associates colluding... Trump is gonna be in a world of hurt. Unless, (oops, I forgot who I was dealing with here), unless of course the entire apparatus of the federal government (aka swamp) is arraying against poor innocent ol' him. Wonder what Occam would say...........

And do you have a clue as to how many beans your opinion can buy?

OK. Post one of those MSM articles that doesn't rely strictly on anonymous sources and hearsay.

I see your point.

It's not that an ego-driven societal climber obsessed about his brand might cheat a little to become president.... THAT could never happen... it's that the whole government and the nation's press are conspiring to frame him. It's not that career intelligence folks simply, uh, CAN'T go on the record, it's that they are freedom-hating connivers bent on taking down an innocent man, with leaks and whispers, from the shadows.

Persecution complex much?

I think I said this on this thread, maybe not... it's my belief that Mr. T is guilty and is about to go down hard. But if you guys are right- if we come to find that this is all a made-up effort by the deep state and/or Obama in collusion with the MSM to destroy a legitimate POTUS? Hang 'em. Hang 'em all.

I've gone on record that as a registered republican for 32 years I will go to the mat for this president. But it is getting harder and harder to deal with this constant stream of information about Trump/Russia contacts.

If true, I will be the first one to put up the poll as to whether Trump should be executed for treason either by firing squad or by hanging. And if by by firing squad, I would suggest a poll as to the caliber and bullet that should be used. I am a fan of the quarter bore I would suggest the 117 grain Hornady round nose. I've taken both whitetail and mule deer with this bullet backed behind 45.5 grains of Hybrid 100. According to my Ohler chronograph I get about 2900 fps for this load in my Kimber 84m 257 Roberts. Add another 150 per second for similar loads in my Ruger M77 25.06. Like I said I am a fan of the quarter bore.

Either load or even a factory load by Remington, Federal, or Hornady would suffice to kill this scumbag of an excuse for a public figure if the reports are true that he colluded with the Russians. I would think the round nose bullets as stated herein would produce the requisite expansion needed as those velocities. I could always play with various primer/powder combinations to achieve the desired results. If, of course, the reports are true that he is a traitor. But if not I could always use those loads on white tail and mule deer.

Hi Jeff.

Just one article with evidence not from anonymous sources. One. Doesn't even have to be MSM. for gits and shiggles it can be from The Daily Kos- but no anonymous sources.

Only a complete moron believes there is anything to the Russia story.

Now, it is important to state that in order to shoot a c0ck suck!ng traitor like this bungh0le you need to know that when using factory ammo for the 257 Bob, say, it has traditionally been loaded down to keep pressure under 48,000 CUP because of the many older rifles built during the 1920's while it was still a wildcat. So if you handload to kill off vermin like this, just use 40.0 grains of IMR 4350 and the various 120 grain bullets in the nosler line-up. Use the same load in the 25.06 as well but work up slowly as to avoid excess pressures.

Didn't Trump tell the Russians he could do more for them after he's re elected? And sold them 20% of our uranium?

He did. Now what pet load would you suggest the gub'ment use to execute this traitorous man after he is convicted of treason? I just don't trust anything less than premium bullets to do the job when dealing with traitorous c0ck svckers. Some folks use standard bullets made by Remington, Federal,or Nosler. Some even use imports like PRVI when dealing with traitors like this guy. I would insist on controlled expansion bullets lie Nosler partitions, Speer Grand Slam or others of that ilk.

I'm sure the press is getting ready to investigate. And them Dems, they'll want an investigation. Any moment now.

Please make sure you and your progeny stand under it. It would truly be a great contribution to this country and the gene pool in general..

I wonder what jeffo and the hormonal dog plan on doing today.

You think his wife packs him a lunch on the days he walks to the back property line?

I cut 3 1/2 acres, he gets lost on 5.

Hilarious..

Ya know, ya might actually catch a fish if you try something other than that puddle in yer driveway..

Looks like obama was filling out the play sheet with false plays and false data trying to throw the game for Trump.

Is that an assumption, or do you have a credible link ?

Just wait until Nunes shares the info he took to Trump with the D members of the committee... tick tock

You're an idiot and just trolling now.
GFY obama voter

Too bad that tree he was cutting didn't kill him...

Of course I'm trolling a bit. Since when is that not ok around here? People don't troll me? Give me break.

Pretty sure I'm also right about all of this. I bet in your hearts if you guys had to bet the farm on whether Trump is still POTUS or not in 2019 you'd bet "not". Y'all might be rabid partisans but you aren't idiots (other than that).

It's going to come down to plausible deniability/insulation from the actions of guys like Manafort. They are guilty. His campaign is guilty. Did they do it with or without his knowing....? Of course, it was "with" but does that smoking gun exist?

No matter. He's utterly de-legitimized. In 6 months half the guys here will have turned on him IF he's still POTUS. You simply cannot do what he did. It's not ok.

I'm sure you'd have a lot of takers if you decided to put your (drug) money where your mouth is...

I think you may be off with that guess.
I think it is RichardAustin.
He says this "Didn't Trump tell the Russians he could do more for them after he's re elected? And sold them 20% of our uranium?"
Then jumps right in as StarGazer to agree with himself.
Except that was Obama who said & did that

So, we shouldnt chitt a chitter, huh?

You could be thankful we dont post lies to or about you, but of course, being a liberal, you prefer and live by them.

What part of "no collusion between Trump/Russia" from Comey and Clapper do you not understand?
Manafort has ties, no one is denying this, thing is for the most part they are 10 years old or older. Podesta's family was profiting from ties w/Russia as recently as the last couple of years. I've no problem with it. Capitalism.
There's just no "there" there no matter how bad you the MSM and the hysterical democrats want there to be.
None of the above have anything.

EDIT- NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP - HES NOT RUNNING FOR RE ELECTION, that was the communist muslim.
Right that pos was hot miked and too stupid to know it, investigation? Or how about giving our resources away. [bleep] demoncraps

Utterly de-legitimized by an accusation, with no evidence? [bleep], that sure makes it easy to de-legitimize pretty much anybody. Tom Foley quote..."The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it's the seriousness of the charge that matters".

Of course you're trolling. It's all you do here. But you're a coward who won't even post a single link (that doesn't rely on anonymous sources)to back up your assertions.

Coawrd? check

Troll? check

How's Putin doing today?

Putin is laffin'. Don't you get it? HE WINS! In every scenario.

Exactly, he has singlehandedly worked you D's and the MSM into hysteria.
Jeezus what a [bleep] group of morons.

And what kind of frenzy will the R's and the alt.right media be in when this unfolds to take Trump down?

And this all serves AMERICA how exactly?

Because it sure serves Russia! In every scenario, from Trump being removed on the one end of the scale, to a total repudiation and discrediting of our intelligence service's and MSM's credibility, and anything in between (such as massive societal dischord and the corresponding widening of the "truthiness" chasm that currently exists between the sides) Putin wins. Bigly.

We been punked. Hell... it's certainly possible Trump got punked right along with us. If he wasn't such an arrogant [bleep] he might could even salvage this situation by being candid about it. Instead, it's lie lie lie (complete with get caught get caught get caught) and deflect and distract and cover-up. Ad what is it they say about coverups?

Notice how EVERYONE, from Trump to the R's in Congress and for that matter the D's as well.... isn't breathing a WORD about Pence? Why do you think that is? Why would they want to keep him clean?

C'mon guys. Turn on your BS sensors.

It redlines everytime you post.

knock it off.

Well since no one has donated to the "Lube Jeff_O's vag" fund I started you're gonna have to order this yourself.

55 Gallon Drum of Personal Lubricant

Free shipping. You're welcome.

As to Putin winning... you're a communist bent on the destruction of America. You should like it.

To this point there has been nothing but innuendo, primarily by the MSM which has a deep hatred for the President. Good God, many so called 'non' bias reporters cried live on TV the morning after. So you might want/need to check your BS detector as this is being kept alive by those very folk. The very same folk that won't report about an illegal 18YO dragging a 14YO girl into a school bathroom and raping her.
There's an agenda here.
Even the Flynn deal, there was nothing there beyond broken laws within OUR IC.
Still not one glimmer of any proof of anything, just
INNUENDO.

And 2 kids killed in Co by one of Jellos buds.

Btw, he was probably one of those crying over the election results. Everyone on the left thought the hag had it in the bag. Odds are, thats why he voted for Johnson.

I agree there's MSM bias against Trump. This goes far beyond that. The fact that there's bias might affect the tone of the reporting but how does it explain the actual information that is either being leaked or is being uncovered, as with Manafort in the last few days?

So.... it sure seems to me that this situation goes far beyond media bias. .... unless it does not. As I've taken pains to say if it turns out you guys are right and and this is a vast conspiracy between the deep State and the MSM and Obama et al then I say hang them all. That would be total bullshït and treasonous in its own right.

The stakes are high, gentlemen. You too jaguar.

Have you heard of any Democrat ties to Russia?

Awwww Jeff.

The media bias on both sides is bullshiitt, everyone is getting smoke blown up their azz...freedom of the press has gone amuck.