Paradiddle - His Majesty The Grand PooBah...Leader of the Turd Like Peoples will, no doubt, be pleased with your efforts. Do you have a leopard print thong on order for an audience? Homesteader
I think some type of "safari" mustache is required when shooting any metric cartridge.
I don't have a clue who the WR belongs to, but the mustache belongs to Jim Corbett. That picture is with the Rudraprayag man-eating leopard he killed. His Rigby made .275 was a gift from the governor of the province for having killed it. I believe he owned a WR in .275 Rigby before that.
I like it! Did you have that done before you went to Africa? Who did the work? What would you have done differently? Quarter rib?
I'm gonna have a Corbett-Ingwe Special built for myself some day!!
It was done before I went to Africa the second time�..wouldnt do anything different. Quarter ribs don't make any sense unless they are integral to the barrel, and you are going to use your irons.
The sights on my Fwt. are a redundant system. They are sighted with 175 grain loads. If the scope craps out, Im GTG�never had to use them. A quarter rib, integral, adds about $600+ to the price of a barrel. You'd better use your sights!!!
The sights on my Fwt. are a redundant system. They are sighted with 175 grain loads. If the scope craps out, Im GTG�never had to use them. A quarter rib, integral, adds about $600+ to the price of a barrel. You'd better use your sights!!!
But that's the entire point, isn't it? To use them if the scope poops out. And $600 is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the trip. Anyway I like the setup. You'll have fun using it on one of our Sunshine State porkers, scope or iron.
There have been times when the game wasn't the only one surprised by the shot�..
If the pigs cooperate and I get lucky I might add a chapter to the Corn Eaters of Florida thread on the Big Game forum. Otherwise I've OD'd on DEET for nothing.
My family is all from Kentucky. Some folks don't consider that Southern enough, especially where whiskey is concerned. Not sure how the mosquitos feel about it.
Ing, you selling the featherweight? By the way, I went silent this evening cause I was cleaning a pig. 7x57 at a whopping 23 yards. Even I couldn't miss!
In the interest of fairness I suppose I should admit that I have owned five different 7x57's. I even have a set of dies, brass and loaded ammo sitting on the shelf just in case another one of the hoary old things shows up.
I hear you. It's really something. Just the rifle itself starts at 16,500 pounds - that's $27,700 US - and it goes up from there. I'm hoping someone hits the lottery and remembers their poor humble priest.
I've seen some high tech red necks driving new pickup trucks that cost over 30K easy. But those same dudes will go shoot a deer with a sweet Remmy 710! Go figure.
By the way, Ingwe, I was doing some work this morning with a couple of guys at the hunting camp, and the pigs have really been rooting things up. You might want to bring the original Ingwe Special (as well as the AI) when you visit our fair state.
Folks swear by them. I just bought one but haven't tried it out yet. I've poisoned myself with DEET for so long I think I'll probably go through withdraw if I don't slather it on next time I'm in a stand.
Wouldn't hurt. I'll let you know when I give mine a try. I'll probably slip out sometime next week. The ladies group at church want to have a Preacher Procured Pork BBQ, so I have my marching orders. And you don't say "no" to the ladies group. Besides, it doesn't take much of an excuse to put me in the woods.
By the way, Ingwe, you're a dog trainer, right? I don't want to hijack this thread any more than it already is, but what is the best dog to train to track but not give voice? Growing up my dad had hounds, but they're bred to bay. I raised and hunted with Chessies years ago, but they're not trackers by any stretch. I was thinking one of the continental utility dogs - you know, Wirehair or Visla or something like that - but not sure if they give voice on a game trail. What do you think?
By the way, Ingwe, you're a dog trainer, right? I don't want to hijack this thread any more than it already is, but what is the best dog to train to track but not give voice? Growing up my dad had hounds, but they're bred to bay. I raised and hunted with Chessies years ago, but they're not trackers by any stretch. I was thinking one of the continental utility dogs - you know, Wirehair or Visla or something like that - but not sure if they give voice on a game trail. What do you think?
A number of dogs, barring hounds, don't give voice on a track. Here are my two faves of all time..the one and only Ingwedog:
And Foxy- dachshund X Fox Terrier we used a bunch in Africa.
So you see a number of non-traditional breeds work. The key is having an obedient dog, tracking comes naturally to them with minimal guidance.
She was a Aussie X Border Collie�truly the dog of a lifetime. She was in on over 50 game recoveries..
The rifle is an Interarms Mark X in .30-06 that I 'modified' the stock on. Wearing a 1x4 Leupold
And yes the weiner dog was absolutely GREAT at game tracking. Silent on a track, would bark like hell if he found the game alive, otherwise he would just come and get you and take you to the dead ones. Tracking a gemsbok one day we had a crazed jackal try to eat him. I literally had to kick the jackal off him, and the Ingwe Special got another kill�.
Reminds me of "Prince" the corgi in Footrot Flats, does he have problems clearing cow pats too.
I had a Chessie that couldn't go by a horse-apple without taking a bite. You know what it's like to have a Chessie sitting in a hot dove field, breathing on you with horse poop globbed on its teeth?
One last thing on the dog training. As I always told my students and the cops I worked with,training a dog to track is like training a fish to swim�.
Makes sense. A friend of mine just retired from the K-9 division of the Florida Game Commission. His German Shorthair would track anything - animal, person, guns, you name it. Smart dog. And a good trainer helps.
I'm not trolling here. However, I am intrigued as to the reasons why there is so much love for the 7X57. I have recently decided to purchase my last 30-06. From now on, I am am going to start working my way downward.
7X57 does not seem to me like a really interesting stop along the way, but so many folks seem to be fond of it. If y'all would, could you explain what it is you like about 7X57? I am eager to be convinced.
I'm not trolling here. However, I am intrigued as to the reasons why there is so much love for the 7X57. I have recently decided to purchase my last 30-06. From now on, I am am going to start working my way downward.
7X57 does not seem to me like a really interesting stop along the way, but so many folks seem to be fond of it. If y'all would, could you explain what it is you like about 7X57? I am eager to be convinced.
BTW: Nice rifles.
Well, for a start it makes a very good introductory round for those stepping up to 7x64.
I'm not trolling here. However, I am intrigued as to the reasons why there is so much love for the 7X57. I have recently decided to purchase my last 30-06. From now on, I am am going to start working my way downward.
7X57 does not seem to me like a really interesting stop along the way, but so many folks seem to be fond of it. If y'all would, could you explain what it is you like about 7X57? I am eager to be convinced.
BTW: Nice rifles.
Shaman, I'm shocked. You of all people should know that attempting to climb higher after reaching the summit is an act of futility.
Shaman: may I ask a question first? Is there a .284 caliber round you already like?
Actually, no. This is new territory for me. I have a long and abiding dislike for 270 WIN, but it is based solely on prejudice and bigotry. That is about the extent of my lack of experience on the subject.
Shaman: may I ask a question first? Is there a .284 caliber round you already like?
Actually, no. This is new territory for me. I have a long and abiding dislike for 270 WIN, but it is based solely on prejudice and bigotry. That is about the extent of my lack of experience on the subject.
My first piece of advice would be to shoot a 7x57. Soft on the shoulder and tough on game. Big punch in a little case.......... wonder who said that????
My first piece of advice would be to shoot a 7x57. Soft on the shoulder and tough on game. Big punch in a little case.......... wonder who said that????
I don't have the experience that all y'all have, but in my particular hunting environment, that is my experience as well. I don't need something particularly heavy - even the .30-06 would be "heavy" where I hunt - and speed and distance really isn't an issue either, unless I'm shooting along a right-of-way. For me, the 7x57 simply fits the bill: gentle on the shoulder, I can stay in the scope after the shot, does exactly what I want it to do. There are probably a dozen rounds that can do the same thing, exponentially more if handloaded. I just like the old Rigby load.
I see a lot of 7mm-08 on the racks, but few 7X57's. Would it be safe to say that there might not be a whole lot of difference? This might fit into my long range plans nicely:
I have a 35 Whelen that I shoot at 358 WIN velocities I have a 308 WIN I download to 300 Savage velocities My 25-06 Rem is very .257 Rob-ish when I clock it. All my 30-06 loads are very 1920's retro.
I'm thinking that if a 7mm-08 fell into my hands, I'd just have to knock a few grains off and there'd be my 7X57.
I don't have the experience that all y'all have, but in my particular hunting environment, that is my experience as well. I don't need something particularly heavy - even the .30-06 would be "heavy" where I hunt - and speed and distance really isn't an issue either, unless I'm shooting along a right-of-way. For me, the 7x57 simply fits the bill: gentle on the shoulder, I can stay in the scope after the shot, does exactly what I want it to do. There are probably a dozen rounds that can do the same thing, exponentially more if handloaded. I just like the old Rigby load.
Don't sell yourself short Mike, this is the internet where EVERYONE is expert!
Don't sell yourself short Mike, this is the internet where EVERYONE is expert!
Ha! I used to be an expert when I was a tax partner in an accounting firm, but that's been a while now. Ain't no way I'm touting myself as an expert on the 'Fire, though. There are a couple of radar screens I just don't want to be on!!
Don't sell yourself short Mike, this is the internet where EVERYONE is expert!
Ha! I used to be an expert when I was a tax partner in an accounting firm, but that's been a while now. Ain't no way I'm touting myself as an expert on the 'Fire, though. There are a couple of radar screens I just don't want to be on!!
It helps to carry a rattle, wear a funny headdress and talk to a stuffed bear. Any time you want to borrow the rattle, let me know.
It helps to carry a rattle, wear a funny headdress and talk to a stuffed bear. Any time you want to borrow the rattle, let me know.
I've never been much on saying the Rosary but I have a set of beads someone gave me. Would that work? I know there are probably a few who'd go running. Speaking of which, we haven't heard much from Ingwe since we stopped talking about dogs.
The 7/08 is loaded to higher pressures from the factory in difference to the 93/95 Mausers still kicking around in 7x57. Factory ammo the 08 wins, handloads the 7x57 wins.
[quote=shaman] I've never been much on saying the Rosary but I have a set of beads someone gave me. Would that work?
Me either, does this count as confession?
When #2 son started riding the bus, I told him that if he ever got into trouble, to start talking to an imaginary friend. That trick had worked well for me when I used to have to navigate through some of the worst parts of town. He took it to heart and reported some years later that it had often saved him. He makes me look tiny-- you'd think folks would leave you alone when you're that size, but it actually makes you a target.
I used to walk to work or take a bus through the Over The Rhine section of Cincinnati. I'd have a 3-piece suit on, but I'd cover it with an M65 field jacket. The only time I had trouble was one day when I mixed it up with a lady who had more imaginary friends than mine. Luckily,I was able to out run her.
The 7/08 is loaded to higher pressures from the factory in difference to the 93/95 Mausers still kicking around in 7x57. Factory ammo the 08 wins, handloads the 7x57 wins.
I was concerned about brass. I did find someone with a bag of 100 new Winchester cases for the 7x57. I have dies on the way. All I need now is the rifle. I still have a box of old Nosler 7mm 140 gr Partition bullets left over from the 70's. That would be a good start.
If you want brass, you can buy an entire case (500 rounds) of new Prvi for about $335. You can have fun with the factory stuff and have all the brass you want. From what I understand, it holds up pretty well.
Rev you are a man after my heart, I'm a plaid and jean kinda guy!
I sent that picture to an old flame just to show her that the Old Man could still shoot. She said, "Nice pig. Now please don't tell me that's the shirt I bought you thirty years ago." I said, "Well, the pants are new."
Rev you are a man after my heart, I'm a plaid and jean kinda guy!
I sent that picture to an old flame just to show her that the Old Man could still shoot. She said, "Nice pig. Now please don't tell me that's the shirt I bought you thirty years ago." I said, "Well, the pants are new."
Amen! That old Winchester I'm holding was made in 1962, and even though the outside looks like it's been stored on the outside of a submarine, the bore is as bright and shiny as the day it came out of New Haven. It's pretty broke in itself.
By the way, I shot that big old boar at a touch over 200 yards with a borrowed .30-06. I took the Winchester to use if I needed to since it's pretty hard to see through a scope at about 10 feet; and if these big fellows aren't really, really dead, they're generally really, really mad when you sting them in the neck with 180gr Core-Lokt PSP. But he did what they always do with a CNS shot: drop and die right there.
Well, I went and got 'er done. I bought that 7x57 I posted a pic of just moments ago so, soon she'll be mine-all mine!! Reckon I'll have to work on the mustache as I've slicked faced currently...come to think of it, nearly slick headed as well. Hair only grows in the ears and nose now.
Well, I went and got 'er done. I bought that 7x57 I posted a pic of just moments ago so, soon she'll be mine-all mine!! Reckon I'll have to work on the mustache as I've slicked faced currently...come to think of it, nearly slick headed as well. Hair only grows in the ears and nose now.
Good for you! My CC just breathed a sigh of relief! Let us know what you do to it and how it shoots.
Now to decide on a scope. I need to find more bullets than what I have. Fifty Nosler Partition bullets won't go far. I'll bet it'll knock the knee caps off a fly at 100 yards, whaddya bet?
Now to decide on a scope. I need to find more bullets than what I have. Fifty Nosler Partition bullets won't go far. I'll bet it'll knock the knee caps off a fly at 100 yards, whaddya bet?
It wouldn't surprise me. How about a 2.5-8x36 Leupold in low mounts?
Now to decide on a scope. I need to find more bullets than what I have. Fifty Nosler Partition bullets won't go far. I'll bet it'll knock the knee caps off a fly at 100 yards, whaddya bet?
It wouldn't surprise me. How about a 2.5-8x36 Leupold in low mounts?
Well, I went and got 'er done. I bought that 7x57 I posted a pic of just moments ago so, soon she'll be mine-all mine!! Reckon I'll have to work on the mustache as I've slicked faced currently...come to think of it, nearly slick headed as well. Hair only grows in the ears and nose now.
I doubt this one will get here in time for me to go to the LGS to pick it up before the operation Tuesday but, time will tell. I'm hopeful to be up and at it the day after but time will tell. I've got everything ready except a scope/rings choice so I'm on the way.
I believe it was BSA's rifle that had the Leupold DD's that turned me onto them. I'm not sure what I'll end up with but those are in the forefront of my mind right now.
Rev, it's plenty hot here as well and they're calling for 88-92 for the next week.
I think it's about to drop a turd on a winchester.
Good dog!
At least we know the bolt handle and trigger wont break off of it . You should go back over to your own thread and shoot some better targets . Don't make excuses about your rickity bench and crappy sand bags either. Just face it, it's a remington
Nice old rifle. There is one at our LGS. My father shot one in France about 70 years ago, although the wood and scope setup was probably a bit different.
That rifle belonged to a dear friend of mine with exquisite taste and a pocketbook to match. He didn't hunt, but dearly loved classic firearms, so he had them built mostly, and often by Dennis Erhardt here in Montana. He badly wanted me to take one to Africa and use it�it didn't take much convincing. 7x57, of course!
Nope! It was a loaner. He had a .404 Jeffries from Mantons in Calcutta he wanted me to take, and an exquisite 9.3x62 from Erhardt. I took the 7x57 cause his 5 year old grandson had dinged it�..so I wouldn't be the first! The rifle got lost on the flight home�put it on Air Namib one day and two weeks later it came off of Air Alaska�.I didn't even ask�.
Also check out rifles by Rigby, H&H, and Purdey�..
For utility guns I particularly like Rigby...
Oh trust me, I have. When Samuel L. Jackson asks, "What's in your wallet?" well, it ain't enough! The best I'll be able to do is have a clone made...sort of like the rifle in the pics. That's classic style.
Frankly, were it up to me, that rifle would have a more "English" cheekpiece and an English red pad, instead of the engraved ( yes�) Neidner steel but it had. Forend would be shortened to about 8" too�.
Would look a little more like the SMLE I built and took on the same trip�.
Frankly, were it up to me, that rifle would have a more "English" cheekpiece and an English red pad, instead of the engraved ( yes�) Neidner steel but it had. Forend would be shortened to about 8" too�.
Classic Rigby. That's more or less what you see in the Westley Richards rifles I posted. If you take a look at Mauser's website, you'll see the M98 offered with "Rigby" options, including an aperture sight on the bolt. Very cool.
[quote=ingwe]Frankly, were it up to me, that rifle would have a more "English" cheekpiece and an English red pad, instead of the engraved ( yes�) Neidner steel but it had. Forend would be shortened to about 8" too�.
I like the barrel band placed out a bit, Rigby style
Rigby style? That's the Rigby that was presented to Corbett after he shot the man-eating tigress in Champawat. You can't get much more Rigby than that!
Take that obnoxious scope off and you'd pretty well have it!
Purdey? Check out WR website. That's their bolt action rifle. It's the one in the bottom case I posted above. It starts at $27,000+. Like I said, $7500 is a drop in the bucket.
Rev-That rifle that you so covet reminds me of a custom 270 Winchester I had Hal Hartley of Lenoir, NC build for me in 1970. Douglas premium barrel, FN Supreme action, and his famous tiger tail maple stock with 26 lines per inch checkering and fleur-de-lis engraving. It was a beauty reminiscent of the old Kentucky rifles in color.
If I had the chance to go to Africa, the greater Kudu would be the top animal on my hunting list. Too chicken to hunt dangerous game I like the more sedate species.
If I had the chance to go to Africa, the greater Kudu would be the top animal on my hunting list. Too chicken to hunt dangerous game I like the more sedate species.
I can relate. Someone asked me if hunting wild pigs is dangerous. I said, "Not 15 feet in the air it isn't."
I can relate. Someone asked me if hunting wild pigs is dangerous. I said, "Not 15 feet in the air it isn't."
Understood. I would love to hunt Grizzly or Kodiak but will remain an armchair hunter. One way I'd hunt them is by helicopter. I'd feel relatively safe at that point. I admire those that have the testicular fortitude to do it by ground.
Take that obnoxious scope off and you'd pretty well have it!
Purdey? Check out WR website. That's their bolt action rifle. It's the one in the bottom case I posted above. It starts at $27,000+. Like I said, $7500 is a drop in the bucket.
Kinda wondered about that, cause of the WR style front sight�but that rifle was pictured in a Purdey ad�...
Well, we just hunted pigs in Texas�with a knife at night.
Does that count?
And Ive done the Cape Buffalo thing
And finished a wounded leopard by pressing a rusty azzed taurus .38 special against his temple �..
Does any of this count?
Yes sir, they all count. Back in my younger days I wounded a Mule Deer and had to follow him in the bush. He jumped up and charged. I ripped off my belt and had to choke him.
Yes sir, they all count. Back in my younger days I wounded a Mule Deer and had to follow him in the bush. He jumped up and charged. I ripped off my belt and had to choke him.
Does that count?
Mule deer with a belt is up there pretty high. I'm gonna go see if I can shoot a pig...assuming our summer storms hold off. I'm not much for sitting in a tree in Florida lightning.
Hey Ingwe, I sat in a stand this evening for a couple of hours. No pigs, but plenty of no seeums tearing the flesh off of you...and I have Florida flesh. You got your deposit down on your spring hunt?
DF, I hear you about Louisiana heat and humidity. The one thing we have here is a breeze blowing off the Atlantic all the time. When the breeze is still in your neck of the woods, it can be miserable. Oh, and my Thermacell was sitting on my desk at home, doing me a lot of good out in the woods! And why no seeums are so far from the water, I haven't a clue, but they certainly were. So it was back to the DEET. Glad I'm done with the family stuff. I've used enough of that poison that my next kid would probably have one big eye right in the middle of the forehead.
Ingwe, get the Thermacell and some extra fuel and mats. You ought to be fine. February in Florida ain't like February in Montana. It won't be anything like it is right now (it may be 80 degrees but the humidity won't be so high), but it can still be buggy. No snow, though.
I use a Thermacell from time to time, but since reaching the 100 quarts donated threshold the bugs don't bother me much anymore except for noseeums. That's what the Thermacell is for I guess.
Bigger stuff, I use the 7x57, nothing can stand against it.
Just be aware that some smartphone pictures will show as upside down when the thread is viewed on a phone, although they'll be ok on a desktop/laptop. Either that or I need to do an exorcism on this iPhone.
I was wondering about something yesterday as I was waiting for the pigs to come out of hiding (which they never did). Virtually all of the guns in this style from Rigby, WR, etc., are built on the M98 action. There are reasons for that, not the least of which is quality and collaboration as well as the time period during which many of them were originally built, but I was wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this WR built on a M70 action. I'm just curious.
She never liked the '06 according to his book "the Hunting Rifle". He quoted her as saying after firing it before a safari,"Kicks too damn much". She took the 7x57.
She never liked the '06 according to his book "the Hunting Rifle". He quoted her as saying after firing it before a safari,"Kicks too damn much". She took the 7x57.
She used the '06 on tiger and elephant. Like MagMarc said,the '06 was her "big gun."
Can't find the thread,but,I was giving Ingwe a hard time and he was returning the favor,well,me and gitem-12 were razzing Ingwe that we were going to neck down a 7x57 Mauser to .277" and name it the .270 Ingwe. Ingwe WAS NOT happy.
Can't find the thread,but,I was giving Ingwe a hard time and he was returning the favor,well,me and gitem-12 were razzing Ingwe that we were going to neck down a 7x57 Mauser to .277" and name it the .270 Ingwe. Ingwe WAS NOT happy.
Can't find the thread,but,I was giving Ingwe a hard time and he was returning the favor,well,me and gitem-12 were razzing Ingwe that we were going to neck down a 7x57 Mauser to .277" and name it the .270 Ingwe. Ingwe WAS NOT happy.
I put together my "dream rifle" on the WR site the other day: just a smidge under $38,000...without the case; no price options since it all depends on the accessories. So, I'm figuring someone around $40k.
She'd probably run you a bit more in the long-run.
What do you think, Ingwe: A Ruger No. 1 (regular sporter) with 22 inch barrel at 38.5 overall inches. Think that'd get the job done? Frankly, about 99% I never shoot more than once since the pigs are generally gone like ghosts after the first shot. I'm thinking that'd be a pretty good pig/blind gun. What do you think?
What do you think, Ingwe: A Ruger No. 1 (regular sporter) with 22 inch barrel at 38.5 overall inches. Think that'd get the job done? Frankly, about 99% I never shoot more than once since the pigs are generally gone like ghosts after the first shot. I'm thinking that'd be a pretty good pig/blind gun. What do you think?
Indeed - they made a few #1A's in .257 Roberts, it would be easy to rebore one to the .270 Ingwe.
Sorry, no other pics�that one is long gone� I had a 7x57 purge a few years back�four of them in the house and only one-the Ingwe Special- getting used�.Ruger quit the 1a in 7x57 but you can find them floating around�.
Sorry, no other pics�that one is long gone� I had a 7x57 purge a few years back�four of them in the house and only one-the Ingwe Special- getting used�.Ruger quit the 1a in 7x57 but you can find them floating around�.
Yeah, there are a few on Gun Broker, more RSIs than anything, though. And Cabela's Gun Library has one or two.
I would take a real man to carry that rifle below. Any shmuck can show his buddies a wood & walnut M70 doily gun in 7mm Mauser and be a hit at the deer camp.
I would take a real man to carry that rifle below. Any shmuck can show his buddies a wood & walnut M70 doily gun in 7mm Mauser and be a hit at the deer camp.
Originally Posted by ingwe
I found one of those 7x57s necked down to .277�
I don't see me showing up at my deer camp with something that looks like that...
I'd hate to have to quote Benjamin Disraeli, Jewish Prime Minister of Britain in the early 1870's. He was known to like the phrase, "I never complain, I never explain"...
Henry Ford II used it when reporters with camera crew confronted him, coming out of a hotel with a good looking young lady on his arm. After quoted Disraeli, he got in his waiting lemo with his babe and they drove away...
What was the scope/ring combo? Ruger rings? Did you have to do anything to it to make it shoot? I had a .22-250 varmint that was very accurate until I found out they weren't supposed to be.
What was the scope/ring combo? Ruger rings? Did you have to do anything to it to make it shoot? I had a .22-250 varmint that was very accurate until I found out they weren't supposed to be.
Yep. Ruger rings. Leupold fixed 2.5x and it was finicky about shooting. It liked the old Nosler Solid Base 160s...
What was the scope/ring combo? Ruger rings? Did you have to do anything to it to make it shoot? I had a .22-250 varmint that was very accurate until I found out they weren't supposed to be.
Yep. Ruger rings. Leupold fixed 2.5x and it was finicky about shooting. It liked the old Nosler Solid Base 160s...
I remember those,used them in a 7mm Rem Mag. Except they was 162 grs. My favorite bullet. Wished Nosler still made them.
Brother, I have no room to talk. I'm sorting through stuff now since I'm a packrat and out of room. Any need for old Leupold ring boxes, with torx wrenches? How about 8 sets!! Sheesh. Toss, toss, toss...and no, I don't need them for reference. I have the receipts in a three-ring binder. Man, we CPAs are OCD!
Oh yeah here is my Ingwe special +P PF-70 in .280 AI:
And two groups from my exploratory "find pressure" outing today; 62, 63, 63.5, & 64 gr RL-22 (4 shots/ea) w/ CCI-200s in freshly formed R-P 7mm Exp brass & 145 gr Speer BTSP (top) & 140 TTSX (both @ 100 yds):
I like that thin forearm. A bit shorter and it'd almost pass for a Rigby!
Thanks! It's a "lightweight" model. I'd gotten a replacement FW stock (w/ schnabel) for it before shooting it a bunch offhand and now thinking it'll stay as-is.
The tube is a .280 Rem FW take-off. Planning on some lower TLWs (these are med), a Leupold, and a 1" red decelerator but for now I am really enjoying it as-is.
I guess its only appropriate to post the original, the one, the only�..
Ingwe:
I want to resurrect this because I want to ask: did you have the forearms shortened on your Ingwe Special or just leave it alone? Also, who did the work? Just send me a PM if you'd rather not post it publically.
Yeah, you can use the irons�they are sighted for 175s...
I'm still debating whether or not to use a M70 (maybe a Cabela) or my M98 for an "African" build. So far I'm leaning towards the latter. I'll have to ask a stock maker if it's easier to covert a Monte Carlo or "pig back" into one of those WRs some of us are drooling over. Any thoughts?
I rasped a standard stock on my .30-06 into submission by removing the forend, shortening and replacing with ebony, and did a makeover of the cheekpiece into a shadow-line British style with no problemo�.
I rasped a standard stock on my .30-06 into submission by removing the forend, shortening and replacing with ebony, and did a makeover of the cheekpiece into a shadow-line British style with no problemo�.
I rasped a standard stock on my .30-06 into submission by removing the forend, shortening and replacing with ebony, and did a makeover of the cheekpiece into a shadow-line British style with no problemo�.
That is a very well done rifle. It yells I'm a classy dame when you pick her up
Hey Ingwe, my brother in law (BIL in my pig posts) just joined the Cool Kids Club: he couldn't stand it any longer and bought a Cabala M70 7x57. He's going to mount it in a VX-3, 2.5-8, same as I use. Another member added to our exclusive group.
Rev, short answer is yes for me. Mine all have short Rigby style for-ends placing the front band closer than if on a standard length for-end. I also generally have a leather glove on my left hand while hunting, both for movement through woods/brush and to shoot with (the other is in my right rear pocket). I use a sling a lot for shooting (small bore and high power target shooter). I took my Mod. 70 classic sporter 25-06 Antelope hunting a few years ago and after carrying that thing around w/a steel bipod on it all day went back to only a sling. Don't generally use a highpower style shooting sling but one that at least I can hasty up or can use the loop up front. I always have a sling on my hunting rifles, makes dragging game easier w/both hands, take it off and use a drag strap for non horned animals ect.-Muddy
Thanks Muddy. I got in the habit of using a hasty sling years ago and am no longer conscious of it. I just automatically do it. I've never used one with a barrel band though and was just wondering.
Rev. Just turned on the outdoor channel and a guy was dragging a bear w/his sling!. We got no pigs up here but how do you get a hold of one of those things to drag?-Muddy
Rev, short answer is yes for me. Mine all have short Rigby style for-ends placing the front band closer than if on a standard length for-end. I also generally have a leather glove on my left hand while hunting, both for movement through woods/brush and to shoot with (the other is in my right rear pocket). I use a sling a lot for shooting (small bore and high power target shooter). I took my Mod. 70 classic sporter 25-06 Antelope hunting a few years ago and after carrying that thing around w/a steel bipod on it all day went back to only a sling. Don't generally use a highpower style shooting sling but one that at least I can hasty up or can use the loop up front. I always have a sling on my hunting rifles, makes dragging game easier w/both hands, take it off and use a drag strap for non horned animals ect.-Muddy
Muddy, I'd love to see a picture. How far forward of the receiver is the barrel band?
Rev,you asked how well the Pre '64 Featherweight .30-06 shot. Took it out this morning and this was the best group.
It's a .396" group at 100 yds,not bad for a 58 yo rifle and a 4x scope. Going to load up some more and take it out tomorrow and see what it does again with the same load.
I hate it when they run edited versions. We wouldn't be so damned politically correct if we would learn to laugh at ourselves again.
I watched an interview with Mel Brooks and he said that he couldn't make that movie today. - which would be a crying shame.
I watched an interview about the making of Animal House. The HUGE stumbling block they had was when the black guys asked " Can we dance wif yo dates?" They felt they couldn't say "wif" wifout appearing racist!
I watched an interview about the making of Animal House. The HUGE stumbling block they had was when the black guys asked " Can we dance wif yo dates?" They felt they couldn't say "wif" wifout appearing racist!
Padre', I am wrong. The one handy (93 Mauser 7x57) measures 17 1/4" from trigger to center of the bbl. band sling swivel, and a 110 Sav. is 16" even!-Muddy
Padre', I am wrong. The one handy (93 Mauser 7x57) measures 17 1/4" from trigger to center of the bbl. band sling swivel, and a 110 Sav. is 16" even!-Muddy
Thanks Muddy. I'm getting my stats together for a once in a lifetime (mine, at least) build; one that as soon as Ingwe sees it, it'll make him start going to church.
Rev, short answer is yes for me. Mine all have short Rigby style for-ends placing the front band closer than if on a standard length for-end. I also generally have a leather glove on my left hand while hunting, both for movement through woods/brush and to shoot with (the other is in my right rear pocket). I use a sling a lot for shooting (small bore and high power target shooter). I took my Mod. 70 classic sporter 25-06 Antelope hunting a few years ago and after carrying that thing around w/a steel bipod on it all day went back to only a sling. Don't generally use a highpower style shooting sling but one that at least I can hasty up or can use the loop up front. I always have a sling on my hunting rifles, makes dragging game easier w/both hands, take it off and use a drag strap for non horned animals ect.-Muddy
I wanted to resurrect this thread to follow-up on something I read the other day. On the "shakari connection" site there is a link to African Hunter magazine. On that page there is an article entitled "Taking a Rest." Here is a quote I thought was interesting:
"On a plains game rifle the front sling swivel should be on the forend. The tension placed on a barrel when properly locked into the sling in a good stance is more than enough to slightly bend the barrel on a light sporter. This will have the effect of bringing ones shots low and left (assuming a right handed shooter). With my 7mm, which unfortunately has the sling swivel on the barrel, this translates to approximately 7" low and 4" left at 100m if used with a sling. Unfortunately its not feasible to sight it in just using the sling. You never get the tension the same each time and if you lean against a tree or rock, you are going to exert very little tension on the barrel. If the front sling swivel is on the barrel then the sling is merely a carrying aid on a light rifle."
I've often thought about whether or not having a barrel mounted swivel would cause a shift in point of impact, but I've never experimented with it myself. I know Ingwe said in this thread that he didn't use a sling, but I'm so used to using a "hasty sling" in the field that I wrap up without even thinking about it. Muddy, or anyone else, have y'all experienced POI shift from using a hasty sling mounted on a barrel mounted swivel?
Rev, A free floated barrel is your friend. Look at the AR-15 as an example. The original A1 and A2s would shift drastically when using a tight sling but, is a thing of the past with free floating hand guards.
Rev, A free floated barrel is your friend. Look at the AR-15 as an example. The original A1 and A2s would shift drastically when using a tight sling but, is a thing of the past with free floating hand guards.
Joe: you mean with the swivel still attached to the forearm? If so, absolutely. What the article was point to was the swivel attached to the barrel itself by a barrel band.
Yeah...that sucks, unless it's a .375-.458, for shooting 100yds and in, only. Some flimsy, floated stocks can still be torqued enough to touch the barrel, and even ARs with free floats can "show" it, IF gorilla wrapped enough.
Rev. With a hasty sling not enough to tell in the field. I have also shot quite a bit of high power w/ M1917, Spfg. M-14 and M1's w/full up TIGHT shooting slings w/no poi change from OH sight settings. I am sure that the band mounted swivels on the M1,Spfg and 1917 do put some downward pressure on the barrels. Been 2 bulls arrowed just off of my property in the last week.-Muddy
I picked up a pre 64 model 70....going to make it a 7x57....I would joyously be doing it if it was a .270 but, since it is a .30-06 I do have a little remorse.
Parent case on the right. On the left, .270 Ingwe. Run the parent case into a 6mm Rem FL sizer (a .257 Bob would probably be better, but I don't have one) then neck size only with a .270 sizer. The case is all ready for the reamer mfg to use as a pattern.
Parent case on the right. On the left, .270 Ingwe. Run the parent case into a 6mm Rem FL sizer (a .257 Bob would probably be better, but I don't have one) then neck size only with a .270 sizer. The case is all ready for the reamer mfg to use as a pattern.
Drop that bad boy in an express rifle and I bet it'd be a shooter!
Rev. No not me but I have 2 guys hunting, one in a tree the other bugling and still hunting. No joy yet. My old shoulders (too damn many hay bales over the years) don't let me come near to a full draw, sides that those damn arrows cut in more than one direction and scare me. I'm not against bow hunting its just that I have seen too many tag holders who don't have the skills to cleanly take larger animals and would support some type of bow hunting skills test before issuing archery Elk tags. My tag is any bull only muzzleloader this year (100 gr. 2F and a Lee .458 400gr FN in an orange MMP sabot) middle of next month. Muddy
Parent case on the right. On the left, .270 Ingwe. Run the parent case into a 6mm Rem FL sizer (a .257 Bob would probably be better, but I don't have one) then neck size only with a .270 sizer. The case is all ready for the reamer mfg to use as a pattern.
Gonna re-barrel a Ruger No.1 or you gonna re-barrel bolt action?
ingwe ... no offense man ... but the .270 ingwe appears to be a catastrophe of catastrophic proportions.
You know�actually a 7x57 necked down to .270 would be easy enough, and no doubt a good performer for those who like the 7x57 but wish to shoot lighter bullets. It actually makes as much sense as a lot of wildcats.
And it would sell well in San Francisco. We could serf up a sales booth at every gay pride parade in the country and make a fortune!
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