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Let's try this calmly.
Load data: 270 win, 150 NPT, 3040 ft/sec, BC 0.465 7RM, 150 NPT, 3250, BC 0.456 7RM, 160 NPT, 3000, BC 0.475
40 degrees, 5000 ft elev
First run, zero is 250 yds for all
270/150 2.4. 2.0. -3.3. -13.8. -30.8 7mm/150 1.9. 1.7. -2.8. -12.1. -26.6 7mm/160. 2.5. 2.0. -3.3. -14.1. -31.5
A grand total of 4.2 inches flatter for the 7mm/150 combo. I'd submit that in 30+ years of shooting a 7RM, I never got 3250 with a 150. Not even in my 7 WSM in recent years. Drop velocity down to 3200 and the difference is 3.2 inches.
In all fairness, I ran the numbers using a max rise above line of sight of 3.2 inches. Why I use 3.2 I don't know except I've done that for a long time.
Same data as previous.
270/150. 2.7. 2.6. -2.3. -12.5. -29.2 7mm/150. 2.5. 2.8. -1.2. -9.8. -23.9 7mm/160. 2.7. 2.4. -2.7. -13.3. -30.4
Again assuming the 7mm can get 3250 with a 150 gr, a total difference of 5.3 inches at 500 yards. With a more realistic 3200, the difference is 4.0 inches. I ran 150s at 3150 in my 7mms. I've generally considered the 7RM as 3200 with 140s, 3100 with 150s, and 3000 with 160s. Most data sources back that up, especially given the SAAMI standard. I find it interesting most folks run the 7RM above SAAMI and don't think twice but take offense at running Re26 at mfr suggestions. We'll leave that a!one.
Bottom line, the 4 inch advantage is lost on me.
And before someone starts with my use of Noslers bullets, it's my bullet of choice - feel free to use what you want.
As to the recoil sensation, to each his own. I have a surgically repaired shoulder. Recoil differences between 25 and 30 ft/lbs are noticeable to me.
I promise to never again have any appearance of goring the sacred cow.
Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.
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270 Win, Re 26, 150 NPT - who needs a 7 mag?
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