I shoot berger hybrids with great success. They are a,little thicker jacketed than the vld hunting bullet. They kill stuff very quickly,but with a bit more blood shot than some care for. I have also used scenars in my sons 308. I killed a,big 6pt elk with it 2*years ago. He took about 5_steps and tipped over dead. Puddled his lungs.My boy killed a 202" mule deer with the same rifle, it went 3 steps. I could go on,but my point is that llama boy is a moron,and should stick to the cooking Chanel on TV. His opinion is worth very little. Maybe he could enlighten scenar shooter,on the pit falls of these terrible bullets.