Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell

When someone experiments and deviates from published load data, they are going into unknown territory. Doing this takes some skill, and in almost all cases is unnecessary. Relying on chrono readings alone isn't smart. And other tools, like test labs or pressure test equipment, aren't in the hands of many reloaders.


Blind adherence to published load data can get you into trouble also, don't think that you can chuck all caution to the wind just because you can read a cookbook.

Years ago I compared two loading manuals, Lyman and Nosler, for 7mm rem mag data. The powder I wanted to use had a 7 gr. difference listed max load for the 140 gr. bullet I was using. I started low using a chronograph and quickly figured out that the Lyman data was complete bullchit, I hit the listed max velocity in the Lyman manual 4 grains before their max, which was 3 grains over the max Nosler listed. If I had been following Lyman's data I'd have been seriously overpressure and the least, and probably into the blowing primer territory.

If you have a decent chronograph and you're at all familiar with it then you can pretty quickly tell if it's giving you good data. I can pull out my 6mm BR and shoot one of my 30.8 gr. Varget/105 Amax loads across it and it'll be 2860 +/- 10 fps at 70 degrees. If it isn't then something is wrong, but it hasn't lied so far.

Data from your own rifle is far more reliable than data from a min spec pressure barrel. Sure their velocities are accurate for that barrel, but that doesn't mean much in YOUR barrel. Far too much is made of supposed inaccuracies of chronographs, recent ones are very accurate and I'll trust them before I will some data shot in a pressure barrel 20 years ago with different lots of powder, brass, primers, and bullets.

Loading manuals are a guide, nothing more. Anyone that thinks they're gospel is fooling themselves, even the guys writing them will tell you that. Use a bit of common sense.


I agree with some of what you say. Nothing is 100%.

I did not talk about blind adherence to load data, but I did talk about blind adherence to what is indicated on the chrono display. Specifically, adding powder and watching velocities, thinking that the chrono is all you need to work up a safe load. It is only one of a number of tools and information required.

There have been reloading manuals that have published bad information, but that is the exception, not the norm. More people blow up rifles and suffer injuries because of improper reloading techniques or human error. Bad reloading data published in a powder or bullet company manual is rare.

I do not believe that anyone suggested that load manuals are the final word (gospel), but they are reliable. They test and publish instructions and warnings about working up loads properly. They take their work seriously. If you are unsure of what you are doing, they tell you to get help. No manual or company has ever suggested that their data is inviolate. I believe that reloaders are more likely to err than the techs that test loads.

WRT data from test rifles/universal test barrels, they do not produce the same velocity that your barrel produces, but the loads are safe. And modern test practices include pressure testing.

Most reloaders know that their velocity results will be different from published figures, but there is a caveat here. I know individuals who continued to add powder because their indicated chrono velocities were less than what was published in magazines or manuals. In these cases, relying on chrono figures was dangerous.

So, I will maintain that one does not have to use a chrono. It is a tool reloaders can use in combination with adequate training, a good manual, proper technique and a big dose of common sense.


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Steve Redgwell
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