a long time ago on another hunting board, there used to be a British deer professional. He killed as many as 100 deer each year. Many were in relatively small enclosures, but many were on estates. They were mainly fallow and reds. I believe he used a 6.5 Swede, the other a 257 Roberts. He mainly used heart/lung shots. He said that a deer shot with a heart lung shot lived about 8-9 seconds. that was the time it took an oxygen deprived brain to quit functioning. Many fell at the shot, others ran but only for nine seconds or less. My observations seem to bear this out. What' your opinion? capt david

"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.

If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!