Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by Barkoff
You know I get the apprehension over the red flag laws, but what about red flags raised over anyone who gets 5150’d, would that be acceptable to you?
5150 isn’t arbitrary, it isn’t political, it’s a medical professional stating you are a danger to yourself or others. Seems like something that makes sense, if it doesn’t, then frankly I think you are willing to put the public at risk in order not to budge an inch?
I’m pretty sure that it is already the case that if you are deemed a danger, they would already come get your firearms, so let them deem that a red flag and now they can’t say we don’t care or unwilling to make common sense gun law.

Not political?

Maybe not now, but whatever it is, if it is given the power to confiscate people's guns, it will become political. It has to. There's no alternative.

You're analyzing gun control proposals as if their purpose is to prevent people from being wounded and killed. But that's not their purpose; that's never been their purpose. You have to address them according to their real purpose, not their advertised smoke-screen purpose.

Originally, the purpose of gun-control laws was to keep guns out of the hands of black people, so that they couldn't defend themselves against pogroms from the Ku Klux Klan and other similar groups. Now it's to keep guns out of the hands of dissidents, so that they cannot substantively oppose the progressive agenda. The biggest obstacle between the socialists and where they want to be is the hundreds of millions of people in this country who believe that certain property belongs privately to them, rather than universally to the commune. The socialists have to get that property away from them. If they have guns, the progressives' job is much harder. Therefore...gun control.

Anybody who is seriously concerned about people's safety will understand immediately that you can't keep guns out of the hands of crazy people, no matter what you do. Laws don't work, doctors don't work, background checks don't work, even prisons don't always work. There are just too many available guns out there. If you're really concerned about people's safety, you'll work on the other end of the situation: not making sure the wrong people don't have guns, but making sure the right people do have guns and know how and when to use them.
Good post, Barak.