LOL....yeah, and I’m not hard at all on my hunting packs.....even before I broke my back and had plates, I rarely, truly ‘packed’ much while hunting. Majority was just whitetail day hunts. I truly ‘packed’ much more on uncle Sam’s dime...MR, and various other big packs.....but my hunting packs are really babied....especially now that I’ve got weight limits. LOL