Follow up on the 180 grain A frame: I purposely loaded down to 900 fps and shot into green birch logs. Bullet expanded to 51 caliber and weighed 178.5 grains. It traveled through 11.5" of green birch. With all that shank and very controlled expansion, these things track straight. 35 cal isn't ideal for hard cast because they lack diameter. The swift gives yah a smidgen of expansion, but not enough to prevent them from penetrating like a freight train. Dmn good revolver bullet for the 357 mag trail gun.

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