Reading this thread, I keep wondering what the heck you guys are trying to kill at long range that you need a ton of energy from your .223? I'm pretty sure we aren't talking elephants here, or deer, elk, bears, or anything you may take home for dinner. Even the lowly .223, .17 Remington, 222, and others of that type are going to have plenty of energy way past 500 yards to kill small critters like P-dogs, sage rats, and coyotes regardless of what pill you're pushing from my experience.... you just have to figure out how to hit it....


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