Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by DBT
Nope, it is what is written in the material itself and the timeline for the collection of works , gospels, Paul's letters, etc, that paints a picture of history....incomplete as it is.
Nope. There is ancient evidence for Jesus from non-Christian sources; sources that Ehrman and thousands of other biblical scholars and historians put stock in. He refers to these sources in his book about the historicity of Jesus. And the non-Christian historical evidence for the existence of Jesus is considered by them to be excellent…even by scholars and historians who are agnostic/atheists. But you “choose to believe” otherwise about the historical record.

But that’s OK; it’s OK with me that you choose to believe whatever you choose to believe.


What first hand non Christian sources do we have?

Surely you don't consider mentions by Josephus, Tacitus, et al, as being first hand accounts?