Cafe Racer - I am far to poor of a shot and to set in my ways to use the sweet 28 ga for grouse. When you shoot as marginally as I do you need every bit of shot that is available in a 1 oz or 1 1/8 oz loads that are standard in 12 and 16 ga guns.<P>But, when I get the red you are welcome to come up and take a look see.