Originally Posted by sidepass
Originally Posted by battue
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
When it comes to over/unders, it is awfully hard to justify not simply getting a used Beretta.



When it comes to shotguns-O/U's, semi-auto-I've seen most of the off brand copies eventually fold and go away, with the owner left with something no one wants or can't get repaired when something breaks. Even the best will break with hard use. Renato Gamba is a fine Italian shotgun that tried to gain a place in the American market. They were a good as anything coming out of Italy, but couldn't complete with the established names. Another example would be the Spanish Keman. You practically have to give a Renato Gamba away today in America and the Keman is no longer made. AyA is now no longer making shotguns. However for a SxS, a lower grade Aya Matador would be a much wiser buy than anything coming out of Turkey today.

When it comes to O/U''s, the best move is to save your dollars until you can buy something established. There are more than a few used and reasonably priced Beretta and Browning shotguns out there that would be a smarter purchase than anything coming out of Turkey. Combine it with the fact the Turkish economy is in the trash and the political climate such the stability of any Turkish company is something to consider. Three of the countries that border Turkey are Iran, Iraq and Syria.


Sir, as far as I can tell AyA is still in the business of making firearms. The Spanish shotgun company Ugartechea has closed up shop. I too would take an Old Matador over most of Turkeys offerings at this time.

Geopolitics and shotguns. I knew getting a Dickinson Plantation might turn out to be like kissing my sister, but the thing about Turkish shotguns is they can make everything (or can) from a Walmart Special to a very, very fine gun. And in the same locale. My Plantation checked every box for me other than weight and the un-notched chokes. Wood is very good. Shoots very well. And I think I got a PR’s good deal. I’ll just try not to break anything on it.

With a Browning Citori Feather Superlight 16 O/U and an older Sig Rizzini 20 O/U, I’ll spread out the work. Speaking of the Rizzini’s (Italy), there are three different brothers turning them out from three different shops now. Must have been an uncomfortable holiday family get-together in the past that didn’t go well. The kicker is they’ve something like 4 different choke types spread throughout their models now. Mine has an older flush fit type that Briley will make some for.

At to the Turkeys, you pays your money, you takes your chances I guess. I still think there are good values. Separate the fence posts from the finer. better built ones.