Thanks dirtfarmer, I think anything on a 308 case would do the trick. I remember when I was little I had to hunt with my dad's '06 and It would bust the hell outta me. Actually missed game because of the recoil. 7mm-08 would be a lifelong gun too. Never need anything bigger. Just had alot of luck with a 243 win. Fast twist for 105s and run 70s at coyotes.