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As a long time Washington football fan and native of DC (63+ years), I say it's time to dump the Redskins motif. If it offends anyone, drop it.
There are more African Americans in DC, so would Negros be offended if the team called itself the Washington Niger's? Or, how about the Washington Spics (in honor of the Latin community that lives there). Or, how about the Washington Kikes in honor of the Jews that live there? Or, how about the Washington Goombahs for the Italian-Americans that live there? Etc.,etc., etc.... Each race/ethnicity selects the names that offend them. Of course you do. Well, I find your kind, you socialist, .gov-shilling, puke, to be offensive. Please, drop yourself.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Oh, and as to Savage...see if you can spot the problem: Mailing Address: Savage Arms 100 Springdale Road Westfield, MA 01085 http://www.savagearms.com/customerservice/contact/
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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As a long time Washington football fan and native of DC (63+ years), I say it's time to dump the Redskins motif. If it offends anyone, drop it. There are more African Americans in DC, so would Negros be offended if the team called itself the Washington Niger's? Good Idea I'd root for um! They could have a picture of Buckwheat eating a slice of watermelon for the logo
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They might as well change the name while they are at it. Savage sounds kind of abusive ... The Savage Arms Co. was founded by ARTHUR SAVAGE - In Utica N.Y. in 1892. Regarding this change of the SAVAGE LOGO, the founder's Great Great Grandson, RANDY SAVAGE - Having foreseen this eventual situation has posthumously issued this statement and new family LOGO: >>> http://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6232/6320243412_978bd47d32_z.jpg <<<
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Yup. Replaced it with this: Funny thing is that the name "Savage" has nothing to do with native Americans: The Savage Arms Company was organized in 1894 by Arthur Savage in Utica, New York. A native of Jamaica, Arthur led a romantic life, having been schooled in England and the United States. In his thirties, he explored the interior of Australia and was held captive for a year by Aborigines. Later, he became the owner of the largest cattle ranch in Australia.
After moving to Utica, New York, he developed the Savage Halpine torpedo, became the Superintendent of the Utica Belt Line Railroad, and invented the first "hammerless" lever action rifle with the entire mechanism enclosed in a steel receiver. This remarkable rifle featured a rotary magazine with a unique counter that visually displayed the number of bullets remaining in the receiver. The Model 99, as it became known, advanced firearm technology, offered the average person an affordable rifle, and started a business that has stood the test of time. In 1919, Chief Lame Deer (right) approached Arthur to purchase lever-action rifles for the Indian reservation and the two men struck a deal. The tribe would get discounted rifles and Savage would get their support and endorsement. It was at this time in the company's history, that Arthur Savage added the Indian head logo--a direct gift from the Chief--to the company name. By 1919, Savage Arms was manufacturing high power rifles, 22 caliber rifles, pistols and ammunition. But on the page where that appears, they have this picture of Chief Lame Deer: Note that the Indian Head logo was a direct gift from the chief. Today, things have changed. Steve.
"I was a deerhunter long before I was a man." ~Gene Wensel's Come November (2000) "A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." ~Theodore Roosevelt
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About 15 years ago Winnebago stopped naming their motorhomes " Brave, Chieftain, Warrior " ect. This PC crap drives me crazy. Now that the Japanese own Jim Beam I'm afraid to go into a store and ask for a "nip"
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New translation for Savage = junk in the box, balls in a jar, money going to be scarce
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As a long time Washington football fan and native of DC (63+ years), I say it's time to dump the Redskins motif. If it offends anyone, drop it. There are more African Americans in DC, so would Negros be offended if the team called itself the Washington Niger's? Or, how about the Washington Spics (in honor of the Latin community that lives there). Or, how about the Washington Kikes in honor of the Jews that live there? Or, how about the Washington Goombahs for the Italian-Americans that live there? Etc.,etc., etc.... Each race/ethnicity selects the names that offend them. How about the Campfire [bleep] for your team, named after smoke so as not to offend you
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My only Savage is a 1952 vintage 99 in .300 Savage - "they" can't take that one away from me!
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Nous somme tous des Sauvage!
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
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Glad I only like Savage 99s! It was the beginning of the end for them when Ron Colburn left Savage! Ron Coburn was a great business man and resurrected Savage from the grave. Made himself, the employees and the shareholders $. Can't hold that against anybody. Buy as it concerns Savage, 1960 was the beginning of the end, 1964 was the end of the end. Since then they have been a generic brand. SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, since 1960, or whenever they moved to Westfield, discerning buyers have not liked anything they have done.
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When you read the history, I can't think of any way it was non-PC
Savage Arms History
The Savage Arms Company was organized in 1894 by Arthur Savage in Utica, New York. A native of Jamaica, Arthur led a romantic life, having been schooled in England and the United States. In his thirties, he explored the interior of Australia and was held captive for a year by Aborigines. Later, he became the owner of the largest cattle ranch in Australia.
After moving to Utica, New York, he developed the Savage Halpine torpedo, became the Superintendent of the Utica Belt Line Railroad, and invented the first "hammerless" lever action rifle with the entire mechanism enclosed in a steel receiver. This remarkable rifle featured a rotary magazine with a unique counter that visually displayed the number of bullets remaining in the receiver. The Model 99, as it became known, advanced firearm technology, offered the average person an affordable rifle, and started a business that has stood the test of time. In 1919, Chief Lame Deer (right) approached Arthur to purchase lever-action rifles for the Indian reservation and the two men struck a deal. The tribe would get discounted rifles and Savage would get their support and endorsement. It was at this time in the company's history, that Arthur Savage added the Indian head logo--a direct gift from the Chief--to the company name. By 1919, Savage Arms was manufacturing high power rifles, 22 caliber rifles, pistols and ammunition.
During World War I, Savage merged with Driggs-Seabury Ordnance Company, and made Lewis machine guns. In 1920, Savage purchased J. Stevens Arms, a company which was associated with the famous barrel maker, Harry Pope. Later, Savage acquired the assets of Page Lewis Company, Davis-Warner Arms, Crescent Firearms, and A.H. Fox, thereby becoming the largest firearm company in the free world.
During World War II, Savage contributed literally millions of firearms to the campaign, converting its factories to accommodate heavy munitions. After the war, Savage had excess capacity and adopted some of its manufacturing processes to alternate consumer products, including the world's first motorized lawnmower.
Between the early 1960's and late 1980's, numerous public and private corporations owned and sold Savage Arms, culminating in a reorganization of the business and a filing for bankruptcy protection in early 1988. Ronald Coburn was named president/CEO and redefined the future of the business. The company downsized and produced only the model 110 bolt-action rifle until mid 1989.
By early 1990, the company was once again on a secure footing, having developed a strategy to build superior products at a reasonable price, something the competition could not match. Savage continued to redefine value during the 1990's, developing new products, improving materials and adding features that were only available in much higher-priced rifles.
Savage became a "consumer sensitive" company, adopting many of the ideas and suggestions offered by firearm users. Management spent time in the field, listening to hunters, talking with guides and comparing notes with industry writers, many of which have since become good friends and confidants over the years. And, since there is no substitute for hands-on experience, management took all new products into the field themselves to learn and appreciate the features and benefits of any new offerings, and fine-tune as needed.
In the 1990s, Savage designed and patented the SNAIL, an environmentally friendly shooting range system that has since been adopted by all major firearms manufacturers, police, military and private shooting clubs in America and 14 other countries. The NRA, FBI and numerous special forces currently use the SNAIL Savage system. The Company acquired a factory in Canada to produce rimfire rifles.
Savage Arms is proud of its' reputation for product improvements and has become the standard for accuracy in the industry. In 2003, the company introduced the new AccuTrigger™, a trigger design so revolutionary it will forever change the way shooters expect triggers to function. This user-adjustable trigger allows a crisp, light trigger pull that still protects against accidental discharge when jarred or dropped. The fact that so many other rifle manufacturers have developed me-too versions of this system is a testament to Savage's innovation and leadership setting new standards for the industry.
In 2009, as its competitors were busy knocking off the AccuTrigger, Savage launched the AccuStock, which provides similar performance gains to custom glass-bedding in an inexpensive, mass-produced synthetic stock. This new system consists of a rigid aluminum rail system that is molded into the stock. Rather than securing the action at one or two points, the AccuStock engages the action three-dimensionally along its entire length.
The entrepreneurial spirit that originally defined the company is still evident in its ongoing focus on continuous innovations, quality and value. Savage history is being rewritten every day by the women and men who dedicate themselves to making some of the most innovative and accurate firearms available.
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