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Well Form pretty much described me as I am over 50 and always thought a shotgun loaded with #2 would be an awesome home defense gun.
As I am trying to educate myself, what ammo in 5.56 would you recommend for an AR? Oh boy. If you only had guys from my area responding, that would be a 50 pager. Right now I'm setting up to run Black Hills and IMI 77 gr SMK BTHPs in my BCM 11.5" pistol. Midway isn't the best price. These links are to show info on the ammo. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/9...o-77-grain-sierra-matchking-hollow-pointhttps://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...azor-core-sierra-matchking-hollow-point#
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the 62 grain fusion is not cheap but it does a good job.
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Setting up a centerfire rifle for defense inside a home is "postmodern".
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I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Setting up a centerfire rifle for defense inside a home is "postmodern". I don't see anything Marxist about it, nor do I care about the identity politics of anyone who violated my home.
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Talk about hips out of socket, that 'Buss would cut a man in half. a couple pounds of horseshoe nails would be rough.
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Having run shotguns, ARs, PCCs, and pistols in ‘room clearing’ scenarios, a shotgun is not my ‘first’ choice, but all will get the job done. Hits matter. The rest is up to whatever you want. HD may actually be the only place I think a 300 blk is a pertinent choice, if you care about recoil, noise, blast, ease of use, and effectiveness.....in balance. It beats a PCC, has lest recoil than a shotgun, less noise and blast than a 5.55, runs good in short barrels or suppressed, and good bullets for vermin/defense. For a wife who likes to shoot and wants to train, a 300 AR might get mastered enough far easier/sooner than the other options. I have them all nearby. I also know that even bird shot will go through several layers of wall board/sheet rock, and #4 buck will go through 3-4 rooms and (at soft angles) deflect and skitter down Sheetrock in hallways and ceilings like rubber balls. Rifle/pistol rounds change course less against typical house stuff than round balls at soft angles, or so it seems. JME....not saying it’s more than the next guy OR what you should choose, other than attempt to practice and train so whatever you use, requires zero conscious thought if rattled.
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so. Has anyone changed their mind yet? laughing
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Hey, the first objective is to kill the bad guy(s). Screw the house.........
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I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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and finally someone makes a reasonable suggestion!
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Hey, the first objective is to kill the bad guy(s). Screw the house........ When the [bleep] gets real I want to be in Dan’s foxhole.
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The 16" Marlin 45 Colt has been known to sleep near me..... 250 grain hard cast boolit could/would lessen any threat.......
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Tikka, try paper patched pure lead, it hits like Thor's hammer.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I vote for a Howdah pistol instead. Two Shots
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I vote for a Howdah pistol instead. Two Shots I’ve always wanted a Howdah!!!
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I vote for a Howdah pistol instead. Two Shots I’ve always wanted a Howdah!!! They are fun to play with for sure!
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We still chatting this up after all these years and dead bodies and bullet and caliber studies. All that matters is that the shooter quickly puts multiple hits in the kill zone with what ever weapon they are shooting and they will have a corpse they can be proud of. Just get good with your gun, shoot fast and accurately and don't stop shooting till what ever you decide to shoot the crap out of is toast. Just saying....
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Describe every detail of the bad guy, scenario, wife, location... then, we might get to the right gun.
But, it will be compromised as soon as details change. In real life, every choice is a compromise. You need to start with what the shooter is competent with, then start checking boxes.
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I've looked at this issue for a long time, and keep coming back to an AR. Better ergos, capacity, flexibility, reliability.
I live in fairly nice suburbs, but in the past 8 months there's been two home invasions within 5 miles of me, with multiple armed perps. In one case a homeowner checked on a noise and was shot to death. In another case armed suspects broke in in the middle of the night, and were frightened away by the home alarm. Two suspects were charged with capital murder in the first case; the 2nd I've read nothing about perps being captured.
There have been similar crimes throughout the area, so apparently multiple armed invaders are in fashion. So - no revolver for me, for serious social purposes. A Colt 6920 and a Daniel DDM4V5 get the nod as house guns. They work well, and never, ever, not ever...jam. There are also high-cap 9mm pistols handy.
I've dabbled with PCC's. Part of me wants to believe that a modern version of a Tommy Gun would be perfect, but there are compelling arguments to the contrary
I've never been crazy about the notion of pump shotguns, or any "tactical shotgun". I watched a guy at the range one day with a Benelli M4 - about as uber as you can get in a shotgun. At the 30 yard patterning board, a load of 00 buckshot made a about a 6 inch pattern. So yeah devastating when it hits, but you have to aim it just as well as a rifle, and you only get 8 shots, plus much worse ergos. And the M4 is damn expensive.
I like the idea of the bullpup shotguns, like the KSG, but the reliability is suspect. The ergos are a mixed bag.
A pistol AR seems more feasible, as far as ergos in close quarters. They will merit further investigation.
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Multiple invaders seem to be the norm these days. I recall a couple of years ago a group of youth invaded the home of a woman who owned a Chinese restaurant, she started unloading on them with a G17 IIRC, the home had an internal video camera as they stored restaurant supplies there. They were moving like their heads were on fire and their asses were catching. I think one assumed the deceased position and another was shot.
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