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Cant all this be answered with a 30-06 shooting a 180 Partition or similar in an sub 8lb rifle with a NF SHV? This right here
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Cant all this be answered with a 30-06 shooting a 180 Partition or similar in an sub 8lb rifle with a NF SHV? This right here That's what I was thinking. Kinda like 338 Marlin vs 338 Lapua. Answer=338WM.
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I left the "tree-hundred" at home......
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There is a bit of delusion concerning a .308 Win being equivalent to any .300 magnum..... Yep.. Yep II IF a 308 = 300 W M.....THEN 30-30 = 308 = 300 WM = = SARCASM Jerry
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Now smoke pole u picking on a 300 savage?
Not picking on the 300 Savage, just battue. That MF-er lives rent free, in my head, I just can't help myself. If I may add something personally significant. I appreciate your considering me a MF-er and not a sport. Your recognition of desirable human characteristics is noted. Now if the difference is 200+/- a little on Elk, where would one be prudent to choose one over the other on say Antelope. Do the ballistic tables take into consideration the fragility factor of different species. Fragility factor, surely it is pertinent in the killing of Game and should it be incorporated into ballistic data? Have killed one Elk and one Antelope, both with a 300WM Mag and both at approximately the same distance. The Antelope seemed much more impressed with the initial thump, and significantly so in that it almost tore the front third lose. Much younger at the time, however now I think I could have pulled both off with a .300Savage. Therefore from no actual personal experience I think the .300 Savage an ideal Elk cartridge. Addition: for the more serious among us.
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[quote=scenarshooter] I left the "tree-hundred" at home...... ------------------------------------- Now Don't Do That ! Altho I have an irrational affinity for the 300 WM >>> I don't think/feel it is the MINIMUM elk cartridge. It DOES shoot flatter, making hitting long shots EASIER. It's easy to hit, kill WT at 400 yds so Elk would be in trouble. Jerry
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76 feet per second.........HUGE! It went back thru ALL the thread and couldn't find the post/reference to 76 FT. Maybe a post lost during ERROR. I don't know WHAT distance, WHAT B Cs were used, etc. ? ? ? ? ? Jerry
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It DOES shoot flatter, making hitting long shots EASIER.
This right here is highly debatable. Not that I'm going to debate it with you, but if you have a scope that dials accurately and a laser rangefinder, "flat shooting" is not something that's much of a factor any more. Any like Scenarshooter alluded to earlier, less recoil = more accurate shooting for most people. So "easier" is debatable.
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[quote=Mule Deer]
I am starting to doubt your range of personal experience, as well as ability to learn from hunters who have more experience than you--which is one measure of the ability to learn.
As Will Rogers noted: “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." ----------------------------------------
Man OH Man, I wish I'd had that reference in the past on occasion. A few Xs I've been SCORCHED because I have not killed X or Y and so I wasn't qualified to expound.
One response I had was something like this; "The guy who knows ONLY what he has experienced is an ignoramus < EDIT correct word.
The majority of what WE know WE have learned from OTHERS.
Who told You what YOUR name is ? (rhetorical)
If I was going to change my SIG line, it would be THAT quote. Thanks
Jerry
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NOR am I going to debate it with you.
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Cant all this be answered with a 30-06 shooting a 180 Partition or similar in an sub 8lb rifle with a NF SHV? This right here Dudes. You both left out the ballistics tables. Please cut and paste some, and then explain what they mean. That's the only way to really know.
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Have killed one Elk and one Antelope, both with a 300WM Mag and both at approximately the same distance. The Antelope seemed much more impressed with the initial thump, and significantly so in that it almost tore the front third lose.
Much younger at the time, however now I think I could have pulled both off with a .300Savage. Therefore from no actual personal experience I think the .300 Savage an ideal Elk cartridge.
Your logic is flawless, as usual.
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Might mention here that a local guy I am acquainted with, a little younger than I am, sort of semi-geezerish, has been using the same Remington 722 .300 Savage as his big game rifle since he was in high school. The quarry includes everything from antelope to plenty of elk. He handloads, but only because factory ammo is hard to find, not get another 100 fps or use a magic bullet.
Believe he would be puzzled by this thread, but he ain't a Campfire kind of guy.
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When y’all get tired of peeing on each other’s boots, try the electric fence.... this post answer for the win ! GRIN
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Will ignored the original thinkers....
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When y’all get tired of peeing on each other’s boots, try the electric fence.... this post answer for the win ! GRIN Stand a little closer, Peter. I don't want to pee on your boots, I want to pee into 'em.
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Cant all this be answered with a 30-06 shooting a 180 Partition or similar in an sub 8lb rifle with a NF SHV? This right here Dudes. You both left out the ballistics tables. Please cut and paste some, and then explain what they mean. That's the only way to really know. Its "venerable" why do we need ballistics? <G>
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Cant all this be answered with a 30-06 shooting a 180 Partition or similar in an sub 8lb rifle with a NF SHV? This right here Dudes. You both left out the ballistics tables. Please cut and paste some, and then explain what they mean. That's the only way to really know. Its "venerable" why do we need ballistics? <G> Thank you. Also I should add, Is this versus/vs. or verses question ? I haven’t seen one verse yet!
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It's actually chapter and verse.
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