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Popcorn time... here we go....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I actually found his post informational, and pretty interesting.
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And I have nothing else to do. Trolling helps pass the time. I do still like my Leupold. I do still think that a custom dial has a place. It's always good to know your dope but I don't see where having distance marked on a turret is a stupid thing to do. If for example your 500yd come up is 5 1/4 MOA why would it be stupid to have a turret with 500 engraved on the turret at that spot? Patrick
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For me, its ok if you want to do yardage. Its a start. But a 500 yard zero is going to start to vary, altitude, barometric pressure, temperature and so on. I'd rather get it as close as I can with a swag and dial to that, rather than take an average 500 yard zero and pray. Just me.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Because your DOPE can change and shots in the field are rarely in exact distance increments.
I can see the appeal of having distance labels for quick reference on a particular hunt or shoot temporarily marked above the angular markings, but not replacing them.
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It narrows your options being tied to one load/trajectory in one set of conditions.
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Not to mention wasting half of your barrels lifetime just to get a leupy sighted in. A properly functioning scope does not do that, period.
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So how is it tougher to add or subtract a click or two for changing conditions with a CDS turret over a regular dial?
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It's not really tougher but if you're " working the dope" anyway it moots the CDS turret.
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Maybe in a more "casual" situation, but looking at it from a hurry up and shoot he's getting away format, not necessarily.
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Half of the life of a barrel getting it sighted in? Fine tuning a shot up or down is just as easy with a CDS as a turret. If you don't like them, don't use them. That being said the guy asked for an opinion. I gave mine. I like the scope. If you think they are junk, don't buy them. Patrick
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You can also create a DOPE card for the expected conditions of each hunt and then dial exactly what your card says, rather than worrying about adding or subtracting a click or two. With that in mind, the only time you'd have to modify your DOPE is in the most extreme cases of weather varying from what you had expected for the hunt.
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Half of the life of a barrel getting it sighted in? Fine tuning a shot up or down is just as easy with a CDS as a turret. If you don't like them, don't use them. That being said the guy asked for an opinion. I gave mine. I like the scope. If you think they are junk, don't buy them. Patrick You gave your opinion, and other people gave theirs. No harm, no foul. My opinion is that Leupolds may have their place (a very specific place), but can't be depended on to reliably function correctly, and my experience has been that their ability to hold zero is also questionable, particularly on the newer iterations. The older models seemed to hold zero a bit better, but didn't reliably adjust correctly either.
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You’ve obviously never sighted in a Leupold. Nothing is predictable. After running a nightforce or swfa, one realizes that it usually takes two shots to get where you need to be. That’s just how a properly functioning scope works.
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DUMB268, You are in soooo far over your pointy head,that it's plum fhuqking amazing...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? HILARIOUS,that Whiners cain't connect a single fhuqking dot(literally). DOPE goes on the stock and inside ocular cap. If/when ANY components change(lot numbers for example),it takes but a second and a shot to confirm. Perhaps 3 seconds to correct it. Hint. The LAST fhuqking thing I wanna do,is tough 50%+++ of my erector away,so someone can lick & stick a fhuqking label upon same. As distance increases,corrections magnify and I use 10yd increments for many chamberings. From 400 to 410yds,with a favored 10/22,is a .8 Mil ele correction change. Might as well blackout your Speedometer,excepting a 55mph window. Hint. LAUGHING! The Reupold won't track in lineal fashion and will jump around. IF those leaps are consistent,they can be factored,but leaps ain't consistent. Tracking graduations will certainly be different than cited too. Just a tough way to do good work,with schit that can't/don't work and then Label Fhuqking it to boot. Hint. 270/105 DOPE. Bases are covered at spittin' distance(3 Mil hold over),200yd zero plainly cited and hasty 800yd comeups easily extrapolated. It can be shucked into erector,or held upon windshield,if not both at the same time. Hint. A 6x Fixed Fhuqker will simply trounce all things Reupold. You get 10yd parallax,40+ Mil's erector travel and 10 Mil's in the windshield. I'll always greedily take it's windshield alone,over the entirety of a Reupold's attempt at erectors. Hint. Bless your hearts for trying though. Hint. LAUGHING!..............
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Have several Leupolds and never had any tracking or zero issues.
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You’ve obviously never sighted in a Leupold. Nothing is predictable. After running a nightforce or swfa, one realizes that it usually takes two shots to get where you need to be. That’s just how a properly functioning scope works. Have several Leupolds, Monday played with the guess the adjustment game on a 6 X 36 Leupold only took about 6 shots to get it close. With the SWFA 2 x 10 LW 2 shots. Pretty disappointing to not have the adjustments work as they should, not dialing just trying to zero scope!
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You can drive tent stakes with the old fixed 6 power Burris. I have a fixed 4 and 6 Leupold, the 6 has target turrets and has never failed. I use a bunch of different scopes and have never had the amount of trouble that people claim on the internet. Hell the first three or four deer I shot were killed with a tasco on see through rings on a 742. You read the internet enough and you could be convinced that combination is useless. Guess I'm just lucky. Carry on Patrick
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Burris has yet to make a scope worth a fhuqk and there sure in the fhuqk ain't anything redeeming in their elder 6x's(I've few). A 742 will REALLY illustrate scope "integrity",you poor poor(literally) CLUELESS Fhuqk. Hint. Congratulations?!? How in the fhuqk is a Brokedick Clueless Fhuqk ever going to see anything good,let alone USE it? NOBODY that has ever shot a 100yd plumb line with a Reupold in an erector dump,can say "they are good". Nobody. Hint. I rather enjoy the Melting Snowflake Routine,which is assuredly NO fhuqking "act",nor is the Hilarious STUPIDITY. Folks who "know" and "do" as "much" as you gals,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Read that aggain. now one more time. HINT. LAUGHING! Dumbfhuqks with Schit Riggin',will never connect a single dot,nor attain a FIRST Fhuqking Clue,though they will happily extoll same obliviously...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. LAUGHING! The MQ Reticle alone,crushes all thing Reupold. It just "happens" to better than (2) complete CDS turret revolutions of ele correction. Hint. In current conditions,that reticle will only get a 243 Gasser to the 1140yd line. Hint. Prolly don't suck to have 1150yd dope in a Seex Twat-Seex's Ocular. Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. The only things you "shoot" are your fhuqking mouth and Imaginations. Hint. LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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small twig : A "legend" in his own mind! Sheesh. I have been using Leupold scopes for well over half a century now (55 years to be exact!) and the next time a Leupold scope fails me will be THE FIRST TIME! Make NO mistake small twig I will let you know when and if that happens. In case you think I have only owned/used a few I currently have 67 (sixty seven!) Leupold scopes mounted on my Rifles (and a pistol) and shoot them all! My advice to anyone thinking of taking anything small twig urps up to heart - reconsider! Sad and pathetic. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy P.S.: The Burris scopes I own also work quite commendably - again, disregard any blather that small twig may blurth - you'll be better off for it - hint. Double sheesh.
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