Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

Is that like Bernie Sanders' Money Tree? Is he God?

Legit question. Examine the evidence available to you and then honestly seek an answer from God. But, check that answer with Scipture.... if it squares, continue on..... if it does not square, it is false and you may be hearing a satanic being or even an echo of your own mind.

For me, it Takes two witnesses..... One, internal from the Spirit and a confirming one from the Bible.

Oh and btw..... I know all about hearing an echo of my own desire. Paid the price for it as well.

I expect there will be trees, too.

Dogs and trees cant go to Heaven..Doesnt mean they cant be taken.

Does it say that in the Bible?

Than you know nothing. You have never answered a question that even you yourself has asked of others. One doesn't have to "know" beyond absolute scientific certainty the definitive answer to anything to have an opinion. Believe me, I already know you don't know. You simply type to be able to read what you just typed, and I would assume you talk to just hear yourself talk. Starman, you are a man without character and any distinguishable good traits that might have come across in any of your posts if you had been of high enough character to back up your rambling babble. You are an educated fool.

Why the Bible and not the Koran or the Vedas, or Tripitaka?

Iirc, it says its paradise. You want flat desert or dirt hills or rock mountains for your paradise?.

Filipinos are fiercely devout christians
and dog is a popular meat for them,

So there will be dog meat on the menu
in paradise... and if Jesus as host offers
you some, would you reject it..?

I answered YOUR questions, but you are still
not contented...because your objective was
to only go on the attack ( as usual.)

And why would I answer my questions put to
others ? 🤔.. You want me to answer for other people..???

You obviously don't like enquiring questions
because you avoid them.

# Do you have any christian beliefs that you
take as true (vs) them being only myth?

Had a reply being worked then fumble fingered the iPad and lost it.

Gotta go now.... more later.

That makes it kind of subjective. What about those child molesting catholic priests that god failed to stop here on earth - I guess they get to continue their version of paradise in heaven too.

Well, I guess, much for guessing.

You think it would be Heaven or paradise if they were there?

You think they are repentant sinners or live in sin?

Your fairy tale - you tell me

Besides, if god created earth and evil as a "first pass" test for admission to heaven, how to you know what his interpretation is of said "paradise"? Could it not be a "second stage" test to weed out the true believers from the "Clayton" ones? Feel free to consult the bible and get back once you've found the answer - we'll be waiting and looking forward to your response.

No. That's a lie. I guess you're guesser is off kilter again. I swear I didnt write a word of the Good News other than copy portions of it as a messenger or reporter. I never made a story of it.

Maybe it would help you to crack the book and see if I am the author.

IF anyone can find magic beans like Jack did,
there's a castle in the sky where A treasure
awaits you.

Just as believable as an 'angry grey-bearded God
with a mansion in the sky.' .. Heck, why believe one
and not the other?

We know you're not one of the many that did have a hand in its writing, but you do appear to add your own interpretation to it - how can that be?

I can know what paradise means and it's obvious if the lion and lamb lay together there are animals there.

I can put 2 and 2 together as evidently some here are unable to do.

Your guesses and questions, being no better than starman s relegates your posts to ignore.

Why don't you appease yourself and do the same with mine.

Evidently you didnt know it, as you said it was my story.

Chuck,

Let me help you out a bit and see if I can help you understand a different perspective.

One of the things you asked for if "proof". Generally, in these discussion I see someone asking for "proof" as a red herring. If you haven't followed many of these discussion, you may not have noticed that I never ask for "proof". I will ask for evidence, or good evidence, or sufficient evidence. Often times we don't have "proof", but claims supported with insufficient evidence, or evidence that something is "likely" or "probably" etc. Besides, since there's no real way to get around the problem of hard solipsism (you are just a brain in a vat, and all your experiences occur only within you brain) it can be argued that there is never really "proof" for anything, so it's best we talk in term of evidence that we can evaluate.

As for the existence of life beyond our planet, I consider it likely. We know it happened at least once, it's able to adapt to a surprising range of environments, and, excluding helium which is inert, we are made up of the most common elements in the universe one for one, in order of abundance.

Considering there's around 200 billion starts in the Milky way, and 200 galaxies just in the visible universe, and some number of planets and moons around each of those stars, that's a lot of dice to roll continuously over the billions of years since what we call the Big Bang (which was neither big, nor a bang). So do I think life outside our solar system is likely, yes. But do I know, no, I don't, and I'm ok with that. If there is life outside our solar system, we can build models of what, under certain circumstances, it might be likely to be like, but again, that's not the same thing as knowing.

Could there be life outside the solar system that's at the level of moss or bacteria. Yep, sure could be, or it could be highly advanced, living on the surface of a Dysan Sphere, or the moss could be the Dysan sphere, and more then we could possibly imagine in between these possibilities. I don't know. We don't know, and considering what we currently understand regarding the universal limit of causality, we may never know.

There's much we don't know, and I'm ok with accepting there are limits to our current knowledge. IME that's a common thematic difference between non-believers, and the hard core fundamentalist. Many fundamentalist have such a need to know they would rather blindly accept a fairly tale them accept the level of uncertainly and now knowing that comes with living in a world with scientific discovery.

You ask about what people should be "allowed to believe". It's a common trick for believer to ask as if engaging in an intellectual debate is "not allowing them to have their beliefs". I hope you would agree, that's absurd. Nobody's forced to join this forum, or clink on this thread. Everyone participating in this debate is doing so of their own free will (to the extent that freewill actually does or does not exist). The only force I've ever used to change someone's beliefs is the force of my reason. If your beliefs cannot withstand scrutiny, perhaps you should change them, but they should be changed because they fail to meet their burden of proof, not at the point of a gun. Of course there are exceptions to that. If you faith calls for child sacrifice, everyone drinking grape Kool Aid, or Sarin gas on the subways, then yes, your ideas need to be changed or eliminated with the proper application of firepower.

Since the bible can't be taken literally, how do you really know what "paradise" is? Maybe the lions and lambs lie together until such time they can be slaughtered for a big feast. Isn't paradise going to be worship 24/7, I mean shouldn't you be eternally thankful for making it to heaven and showing the gratitude? The time for beer and skittles will have long passed.