Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

And the Creator of it also.

I believe Jesus was who he claimed to be. I believe Paul was something on the order of at least borderline paranoid schizophrenic. Remember his trip to third heaven, or his three different versions of meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus. Not to mention his contradictory writings if they in fact are his.

Evidently it's perfect enough to know now where we came from according to you, though it cant find the missing link or prove it.

Great thread for proving that the more we think we know, we show how much we don’t know

No argument there.

Agreed

....as well as explain how Ancient Aliens became a Discovery Channel centerpiece.

Jag,

Hitch certainly had a wit about him.
The kind of orator that, whether we agreed with him or not, left us entertained if nothing else.
I regret his passing.

To answer your question though, I have to say that I honestly do not know.

I've struggled smithing my words recently and dont mean to give the wrong impression and thus be misunderstood.
I guess you could say that I'm neither a believer nor an atheist, and that I'm more of a seeker,
Perhaps I'd be labeled an agnostic, if defined as "one who simply does not know."

I cant say that there isnt a god, not can I say that there is...

I do know that some have penned that jesus is the "Truth" and that the holy spirit is the "Revealer."
I'm a human with an open mind who simply doesnt doesn't know, perhaps the three of us will meet, perhaps not...

I hope I have helped you understand where I am with all this.

T,

You are correct.
Ehrman would not make for a very good apologist in light of Christian doctrine.

I have posted TONS of evidence.Repeating would be a waste of time.

I'm so glad to hear that. Praise the Lord. Thanks for that. I would ask you to pray and ask HIM to come into your heart and save and give you faith if HE is true.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Well said Spotshooter.

We can thank Jag for putting out the bait.
I for one appreciate him for his gift of keeping the scheitt stired.

And we can be grateful for AS and antlers for keeping it real.
True gentleman, both.

As per usual, you share what you think and why. This is to your credit. I appreciate that.

Anyway, there has been a bit of past discussion in these threads about the the Big Bang, origins of the universe and what not. There has been mention of the concepts regarding “multiverses.” The simplistic explanation that these exist in parallel with ours and may have or even likely have “different physics.” This has always seemed possible to.... at least in my opinion.

The Bible and Jesus both refer to,what I would call the “spirit” world. The abode of God before the creation of,this world.

Clearly the physics of the spirit world is not like our world.

Satan, a spirit being, was “cast down” ..... seemingly to earth. He is referred to as the “prince” of this world.

I can see that yes, there is Hades, Gehenna.... what have you, in the spirit world .....and it may indeed be in the earth.


I have found that when trying to understand the Bible, I see what appears to be contradictions or different teachings on what appears to the the same subject. When faced with this issue, I often start by wondering how “both can be true?”

Hell in the earth? Yep, could be. More questions than answers sometimes.


Another example is Jesus’ teaching on the law. It seems not square with other NT writings regarding the law.

But, Jesus’ teachings on the “law” were .... before.... the Crucifiction.... note that His sacrifice changed how believers, members of the Body of Christ.... are seen....how they are free from the law, based on the blood.

I appreciate where your heart is with that Jag. I really do.

A little nugget of insight that I think only fair for you to know is - that not only do I know the gospel message but I've also preached it to thousands in countless countries around the globe.

If love is the evidence, than I can say with gratitude that I have recieved it beyond measure from certain professing christians far more than I have deserved. Yet I too have also experienced similar from non believers as well. Go figure.

That said, I and others, have also seen and experienced hate from professing christians and non believers alike at equal measure. Again go figure.

But I am a realist and know it would be nothing less than foolishness to attempt to build a foundation upon the basis of anothers behavior, fickle as the human heart is.

So, this comes down to a spiritual matter of revelation, of which, were I to reach into my own pocket in an attempt to use such as evidence I admittedly would come out empty handed.

What is in my pocket though, is the ability to celebrate with those who do believe, and understanding for those who dont.

I do appreciate your heart Jag, and the passion you so boldly emanate.

“One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think—though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one—that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell.”
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

“Philosophy begins where religion ends, just as by analogy chemistry begins where alchemy runs out, and astronomy takes the place of astrology.”
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

Ok, I’ll play...... care to name these so-called predecessor religions and explain why you think that way?

It would be best if you would use your own words in explanation.....that way we can avoid a cut and paste war that is will only prove to be boring.

You may want to start with Mithra. I see that mentioned quite a bit. Let’s compare dates as well as the completeness of writings and while we are at it, let’s see if it turns out that the Roman Mithra teachings were in fact influenced by Jewish writings.

Over to you.....



But, family bbq this afternoon, so my responses will be delayed.....

Seems to that “philosophy” was advanced long before science. These writers from 2000 years ago were not just ignorant sheep herders.

Further,,,, what about Plato, Socrates..... .... were they examples of the “ bawling and fearful infancy”:of our species?

Hitchens sounds like a petulant child, angry that the pablum he serves up is not gobbled up by all.

Look at what he actually says.... look at how he tries to characterize people of the past, No, they were not stupid and intellectually dense.

This Hitchens quote is a pure miss on many levels.

"Hitchens sounds like a petulant child, angry that the pablum he serves up is not gobbled up by all."

I would add, as do and are many who ascribe to his satan inspired drivel.

Have a great BBQ and day, TF and thanks for your time, knowledge and insight on this subject.

Colossians 2:8: "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ."