Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

As if HE didnt already know.

Funny how many worship man and his minds interpretation of the Earths elements and perceived events, trying to be gods rather than worship and believe THE GOD that made them and the universe HE created for them.

Religion is part of the human make-up. It's also part of our cultural and intellectual history. Religion was our first attempt at literature, the texts, our first attempt at cosmology, making sense of where we are in the universe, our first attempt at health care, believing in faith healing, our first attempt at philosophy.
Christopher Hitchens

Of course, we are nothing but mere animals and die and turn to dust and history just like them, right?

Neither one of us has anyway to know.

For some time people were content with earthly
Elemental dieties , then they put them beyond
earth and embodied-personified them in the cosmos,
Then some decided that their diety was beyond the
3D universe... some believe if you worship any
or all of the above they can do you favors.

The archetypal Judeo Christian arbitrary justice
grey-bearded diety has much in common with
archetypal pagan dieties.

Judeo Christianity believes their diety punishes
mortals through the (4) natural elements... even using
primitive flame to burn wicked spiritual entities.
THE Talmud provides an actual numerical value temp.
for the flames.

The christian 'devil' borrows its horns from pagan
Dionysus, Pitchfork from Neptune, and goat body
from Pan. The O.T. Hebrews do not have such a character.

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Pharisees [who ran the Synagogues] believed in a Messiah,
the elite status Sadducees [who ran the Temples]
did not share such messianic views.

Sadducees did Not believe in an immortal soul or
resurrection/afterlife, or fiery hell, they were more of
the O.T. Job view of ones fate at death, of going
to a boring know nothingness state in ' Sheol'.

Sadducees were of such belief because the Torah
does not support the concept of a fiery place of
judgment/condemnation.
'Gehinnom' was not originally viewed as such.....rather
it was in the second temple period that such
prophetical appolcyptic writings developed [in post-
exile Jewish culture] and became popular among
early Christians.

Later century writers of the Talmud , like later century
Christians, embellished- spiced up the idea of demons,
and an inferno of punishment...

We have evidence for the existence of a Universe but not a Creator.

A Creator is assumed and used as an explanation for the existence of a Universe by some because we have no idea how such a Marvelous thing as a Universe could exist.

Working out how is a work in progress. But you can't begin with an assumption because that would skew the work in favour of the assumption.

And you have no evidence of how it was created. I thought that's one of the things we were discussing.

We have evidence of us, also.

St Paul copied from Greek philosophy during his stay in Greece, some of his words are taken nearly word for word from Greek philosophy.

I said that understanding how the Universe came about, if it did have a beginning and not a cycle, is a work in progress, and that it's a mistake to start with a conclusion.

You can't learn if you assume you have the answers before you even begin.

As it stands, we don't know. I don't know.

Some like to feel that they do know, which is understandable.

Once again folks, I'm here, Our God the Creator of the entire universe tells us to love Him, and one, another.

Want more?

So why is that quote out there anyway? Is it meant to say deny rationality? Or don't be fooled by its misapplication?

We have a lot of evidence, all the way back to the plank time.

What is true would be nice.

Says Paul, a master of deceit.

“I have always thought it curious that, while most scientists claim to eschew religion, it actually dominates their thoughts more than it does the clergy.”

Fred Hoyle

If you want to start a cult and build your numbers,
it's going to be slow going by requiring folks
to be strict Jewish Torah compliant as prerequisite
to becoming a Christian.. so Paul relaxed the rules.

Such demanding 0.T. observances were deemed an
inconvenient hindrance to scooping up the Hellenistic/ Greek Torah folks (gentiles).

iIf there really was/is evolution---- why don't we have that extra hand we always seem to need??

Right. He left Jesus, John the Baptist and the whole Hebrew bible in the dust as he sped away from Jesus doctrine of salvation through repentance evidenced by good works. After the Roman church and then the later protestant churches got through with Jesus he was thoroughly obscured. All that was left was His name.

The right kind of tail could be handy...

People tell us that. It would be an entirely different matter if it came directly from the Creator of the Universe, should One exist.