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Colossians 2:8: "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ." As if HE didnt already know. Funny how many worship man and his minds interpretation of the Earths elements and perceived events, trying to be gods rather than worship and believe THE GOD that made them and the universe HE created for them.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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“One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think—though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one—that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell.” ― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
“Philosophy begins where religion ends, just as by analogy chemistry begins where alchemy runs out, and astronomy takes the place of astrology.” ― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything Seems to that “philosophy” was advanced long before science. These writers from 2000 years ago were not just ignorant sheep herders. Further,,,, what about Plato, Socrates..... .... were they examples of the “ bawling and fearful infancy”:of our species? Hitchens sounds like a petulant child, angry that the pablum he serves up is not gobbled up by all. Look at what he actually says.... look at how he tries to characterize people of the past, No, they were not stupid and intellectually dense. This Hitchens quote is a pure miss on many levels. Religion is part of the human make-up. It's also part of our cultural and intellectual history. Religion was our first attempt at literature, the texts, our first attempt at cosmology, making sense of where we are in the universe, our first attempt at health care, believing in faith healing, our first attempt at philosophy. Christopher Hitchens
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Of course, we are nothing but mere animals and die and turn to dust and history just like them, right?
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Of course, we are nothing but mere animals and die and turn to dust and history just like them, right? Neither one of us has anyway to know.
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Religion is part of the human make-up. It's also part of our cultural and intellectual history. Religion was our first attempt at literature, the texts, our first attempt at cosmology, making sense of where we are in the universe, our first attempt at health care, believing in faith healing, our first attempt at philosophy. - Christopher Hitchens.
For some time people were content with earthly Elemental dieties , then they put them beyond earth and embodied-personified them in the cosmos, Then some decided that their diety was beyond the 3D universe... some believe if you worship any or all of the above they can do you favors. The archetypal Judeo Christian arbitrary justice grey-bearded diety has much in common with archetypal pagan dieties. Judeo Christianity believes their diety punishes mortals through the (4) natural elements... even using primitive flame to burn wicked spiritual entities. THE Talmud provides an actual numerical value temp. for the flames. The christian 'devil' borrows its horns from pagan Dionysus, Pitchfork from Neptune, and goat body from Pan. The O.T. Hebrews do not have such a character. #####Pharisees [who ran the Synagogues] believed in a Messiah, the elite status Sadducees [who ran the Temples] did not share such messianic views. Sadducees did Not believe in an immortal soul or resurrection/afterlife, or fiery hell, they were more of the O.T. Job view of ones fate at death, of going to a boring know nothingness state in ' Sheol'. Sadducees were of such belief because the Torah does not support the concept of a fiery place of judgment/condemnation. 'Gehinnom' was not originally viewed as such.....rather it was in the second temple period that such prophetical appolcyptic writings developed [in post- exile Jewish culture] and became popular among early Christians. Later century writers of the Talmud , like later century Christians, embellished- spiced up the idea of demons, and an inferno of punishment...
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Like it or not evolution is a reality. The question of how the Universe came about, if it did (cyclic or part of a greater system) is a work in progress.
Live with the mystery folks, the Universe may be not only stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we can imagine..... And the Creator of it also. We have evidence for the existence of a Universe but not a Creator. A Creator is assumed and used as an explanation for the existence of a Universe by some because we have no idea how such a Marvelous thing as a Universe could exist. Working out how is a work in progress. But you can't begin with an assumption because that would skew the work in favour of the assumption.
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And you have no evidence of how it was created. I thought that's one of the things we were discussing.
We have evidence of us, also.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Colossians 2:8: "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ." St Paul copied from Greek philosophy during his stay in Greece, some of his words are taken nearly word for word from Greek philosophy.
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And you have no evidence of how it was created. I thought that's one of the things we were discussing.
We have evidence of us, also. I said that understanding how the Universe came about, if it did have a beginning and not a cycle, is a work in progress, and that it's a mistake to start with a conclusion. You can't learn if you assume you have the answers before you even begin. As it stands, we don't know. I don't know. Some like to feel that they do know, which is understandable.
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Once again folks, I'm here, Our God the Creator of the entire universe tells us to love Him, and one, another.
Want more?
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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St Paul copied from Greek philosophy during his stay in Greece, some of his words are taken nearly word for word from Greek philosophy. So why is that quote out there anyway? Is it meant to say deny rationality? Or don't be fooled by its misapplication?
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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And you have no evidence of how it was created. I thought that's one of the things we were discussing.
We have evidence of us, also. We have a lot of evidence, all the way back to the plank time.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Once again folks, I'm here, Our God the Creator of the entire universe tells us to love Him, and one, another.
Want more? What is true would be nice.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Colossians 2:8: "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ." Says Paul, a master of deceit.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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“I have always thought it curious that, while most scientists claim to eschew religion, it actually dominates their thoughts more than it does the clergy.”
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If you want to start a cult and build your numbers, it's going to be slow going by requiring folks to be strict Jewish Torah compliant as prerequisite to becoming a Christian.. so Paul relaxed the rules. Such demanding 0.T. observances were deemed an inconvenient hindrance to scooping up the Hellenistic/ Greek Torah folks (gentiles).
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iIf there really was/is evolution---- why don't we have that extra hand we always seem to need??
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If you want to start a cult and build your numbers, it's going to be slow going by requiring folks to be strict Jewish Torah compliant as prerequisite to becoming a Christian.. so Paul relaxed the rules. Such demanding 0.T. observances were deemed an inconvenient hindrance to scooping up the Greek Torah folks (gentiles). Right. He left Jesus, John the Baptist and the whole Hebrew bible in the dust as he sped away from Jesus doctrine of salvation through repentance evidenced by good works. After the Roman church and then the later protestant churches got through with Jesus he was thoroughly obscured. All that was left was His name.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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iIf there really was/is evolution---- why don't we have that extra hand we always seem to need?? The right kind of tail could be handy...
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Once again folks, I'm here, Our God the Creator of the entire universe tells us to love Him, and one, another.
Want more? People tell us that. It would be an entirely different matter if it came directly from the Creator of the Universe, should One exist.
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