Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

Marcion got it right.

Well, we have been over this before. You are totally wrong about transitional fossil evidence. You are totally wrong that micro evolution over time is the same stuff as macro evolution. Also, the concept of “punctuated equilibrium” was simply a contrived explanation of instances where the fossil record did not support the theory of evolution. Lame....

I suspect you confuse “evolutionary transitional forms” with simple genetic variation. Prime example of this error is the presumed evolution of the horse.

But, you are free to drink more of the kool aid.

No, he didn’t. He just did not understand. Perhaps well meaning but nonetheless wrong in his understanding.

Same as with many today....

Btw.... can you explain how “Marcion got it right?”

Oh, well that settles it, then.

Contrived? It was posited by one of the world's leading paleontologists to explain the absence of transitionals in the fossil record.

The obvious differences between the Old and the New Testaments would be where I would start.

“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.” George Carlin

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution :
Transitional forms
Fossils or organisms that show the intermediate states between an ancestral form and that of its descendants are referred to as transitional forms. There are numerous examples of transitional forms in the fossil record, providing an abundance of evidence for change over time.

The Bible has been taught as literal for nearly 2000 years... talk against it and you risked your life.

Until science proved most of it was false... then it became allegorical and non-literal and suddenly all followers could be interpret it in any way they liked.


When there are dozens and dozens of Denominations that can't even decide which Christianity each should belive in.... Its called Faith.


Science proves things.


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"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

- 2 Peter 3:8

This isn't meant to be taken literally, such as 1 day equals 1,000 years. It means only that our reckoning of time and God's are quite distinct.

“For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years [Gen. 5:5]. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression ‘The day of the Lord is a thousand years’ [Ps. 90:4] is connected with this subject.”

- Justin Martyr 155 AD

“And how could creation take place in time, seeing time was born along with things which exist? . . . That, then, we may be taught that the world was originated and not suppose that God made it in time, prophecy adds: ‘This is the book of the generation, also of the things in them, when they were created in the day that God made heaven and earth’ [Gen. 2:4]. For the expression ‘when they were created’ intimates an indefinite and dateless production.”

- Clement of Alexandria 208 AD

“For who that has understanding will suppose that the first and second and third day existed without a sun and moon and stars and that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? . . . I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance and not literally.”

- Origen of Alexandria - 248 AD

"In discussing questions of this kind, two rules are to be observed, as Augustine teaches (Gen. ad lit. i, 18). The first is to hold the truth of Scripture without wavering. The second is that, since Holy Scripture can be explained in a multiplicity of senses, one should adhere to a particular explanation only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it if it be proved with certainty to be false; lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing."

- Summa Theologica 1274 AD

I think the parts that are allegorical, have ALWAYS been allegorical. Men chose to interpret it literally. Jesus used parables over 2000 years ago, and they were clearly allegorical THEN.

Who gives a flip how many different denominations there are...? Despite the insignificant theological differences between them, there are a few central tenets that all followers typically hold together...regardless of their particular church or denomination or culture or geographical location. Followers typically believe in God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), and they typically believe that all humans are sinful and in need of grace, and that only Jesus makes it possible for people to have a relationship with God through His death and resurrection. Followers also typically believe that the Bible is a way that God reveals who He is, how they can have a relationship with Him, and how they can extend God’s love to other people. Other beliefs and practices are often the cause of disagreements...and they are secondary.

There are essential beliefs (such as those that I mentioned earlier), and there are non-essential beliefs. Individuals do have liberty in non-essential beliefs. Believers do have the personal freedom to have varying interpretations on theological issues that are not clearly presented in Scripture.
“...without passing judgment on disputable matters… Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master servants stand or fall… So then each of us will give an account of ourselves to God… So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.” - Romans 14:1, 4, 12, 22

When you get right down to it, every individual is a denomination unto themselves.

I have zero issues...zero contradictions...between science and Christian theology.

And there is it... . LoL

the last desperate trademark trump card
used by christians, the (highly convenient)
'demonizing' uppity Christians like to use
when they can't rationally address questions
posed to them.

We can just expect more duck and weave,
smoke and mirrors, and mythological character
based drama-theatrics from TRH and his ilk.




The demon card thing again....

[btw:] you don't know what a Jesus actually
said, you rely merely on old village mindset
oral stories passed down and then recorded
by anonymous authors.

the veracity of which remain highly questionable.

I recall when rumors were started at work in
the morning, by afternoon it had changed
completely to be unrecognizable ...so just
imagine what happened with the Jesus stories
in the decades before they were written down
and what the mystery authors then did to them
to entice readers.

You actually believe 3 day dead cadavers rise to life?

And you would believe anything such a cadaver
told you?

Any other ancient cult that believed in primitive,
brutal and agonizing human blood sacrifice ritual
would be considered depraved and condemned,
( even pagan Romans abhorred it) ...but without
it Chritianity does not exist.

When I look around this wide world, I see far more
good that the pagan Greco-Romans gave us than
some primitive middle eastern Christianity has.

In fact if not for the educated pagan Greeks
you would not have a N.T. written in Greek,.
. if not for the Romans where would the Latin
church be?

without such, the tiny christian Aramaic language
cult would have shriveled up and died millenia ago
like so many other competing cults of the time did.

Emperor Constantine had to step in and try sort out
that mess called Christianity,.. christian factions were
at each others throats—so divisive , that it threaten
to break out into civil war over differing beliefs in Jesus.

Imagine that, an astute pagan had to assist a bunch
of helpless "faith filled" raghead christians and instruct
them on order and civility.
.. even then, Christians resorted to bribery, threats,
intimidation, and vote stacking to iron out their
theistic spiritual issues... 😂

and Christianity had been no less of a joke ever since.

BIGOT | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
dictionary.cambridge.org › dictionary › english › bigot
Jul 1, 2020 - a person who has strong, unreasonable ideas, esp. about race or religion, and who thinks anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong:.

You come across as a simpleton, Bowzer.

Having The Real Hawkeye or any other Religious Bigot telling any one anything about the Bible is a ride on the merry go round.

While he was a former pagan, Constantine was a christian, so a christian sorted out christians.....not a pagan. Fact.

Who’s to blame him? He might have been a bit impressed by Daniel’s prediction that his empire would implode and fragment into several separate states that would never come under single rule again. The dead sea scroll versions of the book of Daniel date back to 150 BC....over 500 years before Constantine was evicted.

Bowzer, you still have to wear that helmet?

It is very simple. Some of my best friends are Jewish.

But it's likely a congenital condition with you. I doubt your friends had anything to do with it.

What about that helmet? You still have to wear it?

Can you positively verify Constatine became
a real deal christian?

Did he really have the Holy Spirit?
and HTF would you actually know?

it's said he had a vision of Apollo in 310 AD
which foretold his victory at Milvian Bridge
then there's the other later version where he had
a vision of Chi-Rho 312 AD sent by the christian
God foretelling his victory at Milvian Bridge.

the belated christian version is told by Eusebius
a christian bishop and polemicist in Roman
Caesarea... Re: Life of Constantine (1.26-32),
which he wrote in the late 330s.

Its not unusual for christians to steal pagan
myths, legends and celebrations and make
them their own to promote their agenda -

Easy,.. just tweak the 310 AD story a bit
cut out Apollo and paste in Chi - Rho. .. 😂

and how convenient that the story changes the
same year [312 AD] that Constantine (supposedly)
'converted'.