Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

That might apply to you maybe? DBT just pointed out the facts.

DBT is a liar, not God.

Been quite awhile since I looked at this, but.....

My view is that an oppressed people, people who had been victimized by Babylon for a loooong time...finally conquered .....And those who were victorious..... not the the Jewish people.... rejoiced in their victory and were “happy” in their vengeance.

Think for a moment..... can one come up with similar situations and circumstances in the last 120 years?

I once shared a hospital room with an old Australian who had been involved with fighting the Japanese. He still hated them and was pretty well ok with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This is likely a simple foretelling of Babylon’s ruin.

You seem to be assuming that God told them to do the evil deeds. Why would one conclude that?

That didn't take long. When all else fails, make false accusations about your opponent, the last line of defense when you have no rational argument.

HE said all men are liars. Ive found that to be the case also. I didnt say you were the only one. All men are liars, not GOD.

Book it. Sorry you dont like it or agree with it.

Come on, tell us another lie and say you never lied.

I am assuming that the Bible is quoting God who told them to do those evil deeds...
Samuel 15:3 ESV Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’

Jesus gives us a new ethic. The OT law is no longer the moral compass. The old covenant itself has been fulfilled and ended...the entire system of laws that defined the relationship with God and His people, is no longer in effect. God gave us something better in Jesus.

Gen Westmoreland had a similar idea about China, iirc.

Well, no, assuming that the Bible always quotes God is not right. I have read Jewish writings that use passages from Job to support certain of their theologies. Interestingly, they use quotes from Job’s friends.... clearly not from God. The use statements from Job’s friends .... it is not God speaking nor being quoted.

There are numerous commentaries on the why and wherefores of 1 Samuel 15. They are easy to discover, but I fear they will make no sense to you.

I once heard a most brief explanation of the Old Testament, went something like this: God really hates sin, He will not allow sin “in the camp.” He is serious about sin and will not allow it in Heaven. But, He loves and has made a way for us to be with Him. One cannot read the Old Testament and conclude that “sin” is not a serious matter before God. There is indeed judgment and wrath against sin.

Also, please note Proverbs 16:2.

“All the ways of a man are clean and innocent in his own eyes (and he may see nothing wrong with his actions), But the Lord weighs and examines the motives and intents (of the heart and knows the truth)”

The OT and the Law relieve us of this error.......

I've been busy today. Concerning evolution, Jesus vs Paul, works vs faith, hell, whether or not Jesus was God, and salvation, have we come to a consensus? I'm not posing this question to the atheists or agnostics. We believers have to get our business straight first or they are understandably going to stand off and make fun of us. Once we get straight maybe we can then get about the task of saving them.

I made no claims that are not written in the bible. I provided quotes to back everything that I said. I merely pointed out what the bible describes about the nature of love and the nature of its god. They are not my words or my claims. If there is a lie, it has nothing to do with what I said. It is there for anyone to see and read. It's undeniable.

That would have to include Paul
and the anonymous authors of
the Gospels that came later.

Hard to afaic with the way HE put things in the Bible by speaking in parables.

In fact, HE said the churches should all be in agreement. I dont see how unless the Bible were to consist of only one verse 3:16.

I dont even see how HE could expect different takes on it. I dont see how HE coulf be serious about it.

Not if directed bt GOD

Back to ignore..

"Thus says the Lord of Hosts" is not the word of God?

I don't think so either, but there are some very religious people in my family that are going to be quite surprised to hear that.

I am not sure you understand. If one of the gospels records what the Pharisees said to Jesus, do you understand that God is not being quoted....Jesus is not being quoted.... the words of the Pharisees are being recorded?

I am very sure you do not understand who the "Lord of Hosts" is when he is being quoted.

you keep saying that Paul preached a different gospel than Jesus. That Paul said repentance was unnecessary.
Yet I gave you a specific verse where Paul preached that everyone must repent.

you are like a democrat that keeps stating wrong things often enough so that people will start to believe it.

Paul preached repentance just as John the Baptist, Jesus, Peter, and all the apostles preached.