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Himmelhr: I simply have to ask... WHY aren't you using the wonderful Nosler 85 grain Partitions in your 243?
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Where did the bullet go? Couldn't just have vaporized. The copper shank would be intact no matter what happened to the petals. 4000 fps would not hurt the bullet shank. My question also
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No one asked your opinion on what caliber to use dumbass. My guess is, it was just a fluke.
There is no need for any name calling, here or anywhere. That is not acceptable behavior. I was trying to help and share my experience. You are welcome to do the same. If I offended the OP, no harm meant and they can take care of themselves and politely PM me or respond. your experience? You're one of the last people I would ever listen to regarding firearms and bullet, hunting related topics. lol
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I am a huge fan of the Barnes copper bullets. I use the in 25, 6.5 7mm,8mm and 30 cal. I’ve caught one 6.5 shot out of a 264 WM on a 150 lb bedded buck. I have had two instances where the bullets didn’t perform to perfection. Both ended in dead deer. Both were 100 gr ttsx 25 cal. One shot out of a 257 rob at 325 yards the other a 25-06 AI at 40 yards. Both gave pass through but no blood trails. I ve had the same problem unless Ive hit good bone. Hence as mentioned a high should shot is preferred with copper bullets. Ive gone back to scenars or ELDX's
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Not trying t be a smartazz or change the subject but if you were shooting an undisturbed deer at 15 yards why in the great wide world of sports did you not shoot it in the neck? DRT every time. Or head, or any CNS spot. I had a .338NP 210 blow up on a moose shoulder blade.. Yeah, objectively I know it was almost certainly an anomaly. Objectively.... I won't ever use them again. I've no problem with the 250NP. Or the Sierra GK250, or my current loads, Hornady 250RN, or a TB. Corelokts have been very good to me also.... Use a bullet that you have full confidence in.
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I have used Barnes T/TSX's from 45gr to 400gr and 22 to 423 caliber. Texas to Alaska and all the way to Africa.
I have recovered more than a few and they looked very good. Some had hit bone and were not magazine picture perfect.
The only time I found petals was a 53gr TSX out of a 22-250 at 3850 fps. Impact was a neck vertebrae. Bullet was not recovered, but found two petals in the neck grind meat when processing.
As to the OP.
1. No exit, why was the bullet not recovered? Any petals recovered?
2. I think the bullet performed fairly well given the distance, shot placement, and angle of impact.. I do not think for one second that the bullet came apart. Possibly sheared some petals.
3. Lack of blood does not surprise me with the high entrance and no exit.
If I hunt thick nasty stuff, I tend to leave the Barnes at home and prefer bigger diameter lead jacketed bullets, be they plain old cup and core or bonded.
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[quote=KenMi]Where did the bullet go? Couldn't just have vaporized. The copper shank would be intact no matter what happened to the petals. 4000 fps would not hurt the bullet shank. This X3 . If and when a bullet fragments , or as you stated vaporizes there will be major tissue damage at the sight . The bullet failed to preform as you would have liked it to. That is not necessarily a bullet failure. You and the bullet did kill and find your animal. Much better than that gut wrenching feeling of a lost one ! Has anyone other than me ever made a bad shot and killed the animal ? Isn’t it funny this is never considered a bullet failure. Even though most think we live in a perfect world . [bleep] Happens .
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Barnes on bone, CNC on lungs
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Barnes on bone, CNC on lungs Never had a problem with a TSX or TTSX through the lungs
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Drop him in his tracts???
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Barnes on bone, CNC on lungs Never had a problem with a TSX or TTSX through the lungs Same here, never a problem.
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Where did the bullet go? Couldn't just have vaporized. The copper shank would be intact no matter what happened to the petals. 4000 fps would not hurt the bullet shank. My question also One of the holes in the heart was definitely from the core of the bullet. The others looked liked like the petals. The petals never exited the heart. The core did and went some where since there was no exit hole. I never did find it. Maybe the butcher will. I had little interest in finding it as I just wanted to get the thing out of the woods and onto the skinning pole.
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Himmelhr: I simply have to ask... WHY aren't you using the wonderful Nosler 85 grain Partitions in your 243?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy I always liked Barnes so I tried them first and never had a reason to change.
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When I field dressed him, one lung was damaged and the heart had 5 holes in it.
The high impact velocity blew the 4 petal off of the shank and thev4 petals and the shank went threw the heart
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When I field dressed him, one lung was damaged and the heart had 5 holes in it.
The high impact velocity blew the 4 petal off of the shank and thev4 petals and the shank went threw the heart That would be my guess as well. No way a mono disentigrated.
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Never have liked Barnes. Way prefer “junk c&c” for doin gods work..
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I already have one of those and a 338Fed if I am in a fat bullet mood. Teeder, how have you been?
the 160 TTSX out of that .338 Dead-eral are baaaaad medicine. No chance of them going to fast =]
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