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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15652355 01/13/21
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The old saying what is old will be new again comes to mind.
I love odd ball calibers. Walk in to a "good" gunshop that has been around and find some odd ball caliber ammo gathering dust with price stickers from 20 years ago. That get's my heart thumpin.
Twenty years ago you could not find a gun chambered in 6mm Rem. I picked up a Ruger no 1 in 6mm awhile back and since then I have seen several people talking about 6mm Remington. Back as a kid in the early 80's I found a single 348 Winchester shell in a box of collectible ammo. I fell in love with that round. never seen a gun chambered in it. A few years later Browning came out with the repro. maybe odd ball but I love me a model 71. I bought a 600 Remington in 350 mag in my late teens and would buy any box of ammo I across. I think I invested wisely.
Some folks may say this caliber or that is headed for the trash can of history. Please show me the trash can. I'll go dumpster diving.


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: MissouriEd] #15652655 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by MissouriEd
seems that no one has mentioned the Nosler proprietary list of cartridges. I have a 26 Nosler and am quite satisfied with it. It would seem that the Nosler cartridges are eventually going to go away as not many manufacturers are chambering rifles for them.



I was just about to enquire about the 22 Nosler. It never seems to get any mention on here.

Someone above mentioned the .25-06 beginning to fade. It seems a lot of the factories are chambering it with 22 inch barrels now which won't help sales I'd imagine. Though there are plenty of 270s, 280s and 30-06s with 22 inch tubes.

Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: longbarrel] #15652688 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by longbarrel
I have happily bought into several cartridges in danger of vanishing as factory offerings--284 win, 350 mag, 338 rcm, 35 whelen, etc. I immediately bought reserves of brass beyond what I will ever use, it turns out. I am not afraid of soon-to-be-invisible but interesting stuff.


Me too. I just rebarreled to 6.5x57. I got the last 200 RWS cases in Australia and found a couple of factory boxes of Highland (PPU) ammo.

A few years ago when I got my Mauser M12 I got a 6.5x55. But the 6.5x57 was also available. I should of grabbed one when I had the chance as they are not listed anymore. It would of been a whole lot cheaper than what I went through to get my 6.5x57 up and running.



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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Mule Deer] #15653802 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Jeff,

I don't think the WSSMs would have been a success even with a 1-8 twist in the .223. There were several other problems.

Their big problem was their shape/head-size requiring entirely new bolt-actions from both Browning and Winchester. One thing that definitely helps newly introduced cartridges (which often mostly appeal to real rifle loonies) become establsihed is being able to rebarrel existing actions to the new round. This was difficult with the WSSMs, since they were both so fat AND short.

Plus, while the .223 produced faster velocities than the .22-250 and .220 Swift, the velocities of the .243 and .25 WSSms didn't improve on already existing rounds. I know quite a few rifle loonies, and only two purchased .25 WSSMs--and one of those was a fellow gun writer who got his at a discount. Never ran into anybody who owned a .243 WSSM, perhaps because even then the trend was to 1-8 twists in 6mms, and like the .223 the factory twist was 1-10.

Of course, Winchester shutting down didn't help, but the WSMs survived the hiatus in production. As noted in an earlier post I purchased a new Model 70 in .300 WSM in 2008, and three of the four original WSMs (all except the 7mm) are still chambered in Browning and Winchester rifles, and the .300 WSM is regularly chambered a bunch of other American-made rifles, as well as by European companies including Blaser, Sako and Tikka.


John,

While you don't know me, if you're counting WSSM owners, put me down for 21; 2x223, 4x243, and 15x25.

Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Elvis] #15653814 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by Elvis



I was just about to enquire about the 22 Nosler. It never seems to get any mention on here.


It seems that Nosler doomed the 22 Nosler it's self. the brass is butter soft and everybody I know that got in has jumped ship.

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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15655852 01/14/21
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Looks like Lapua will be making .284 brass for 2021.

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Phil Shoemaker had a nice write up on the 8mm Rem Mag a few manuals back in the Speer Reloading manual... Always wanted one.

Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15658974 01/15/21
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I hate to see the 9,3x64 and the 8x68S disappear more and more from factory rifles. They were both far ahead of their time seeing as they are both basically beltless magnum cartridges. I view the 9,3x64 as somewhat of a precursor to the .375 Ruger albeit being a little weaker. The trend of "use .308 for everything" is particularly vicious here especially with the proliferation of suppressors and shorter barrels. I still have my little .22 HP, though and am happy that I can keep it fed with factory ammo, though.


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: 260Remguy] #15659063 01/15/21
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Originally Posted by 260Remguy

17HM2
17 REM FB
5MM REM MAG
22 REM JET
221 REM FB
222 REM MAG
225 WIN
244/6MM REM
256 WIN MAG
260 REM
6.5 REM MAG
264 WIN MAG
7-30 WATERS
280 REM
284 WIN
7MM REM UM
307 WIN
8MM REM MAG
338 FED
338 REM UM
350 REM MAG
356 WIN
358 WIN
375 WIN

2x REM SAUMs
3x WIN WSSMs
4x WIN WSMs

Consumers aren't always right, but most of the time the cream still rises to the top.


I have (or had - some were shot out in the end) 20+ rifles chambered for those cartridges and I like them! I usually show up at deer/elk/prairie dog/antelope camp with a rifle chambered for a cartridge that no one else has. grin


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15659234 01/15/21
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When I saw the title of this thread the 250 and 300 Savage came to mind immediately. Two calibers that I like and have a couple of rifles in each one. I'm old and set in my ways and if it worked for the likes of O'Connor &, Keith, it's fine by me. The animals we hunt haven't changed. I have come to really enjoy hunting with single shot rifles in the last couple of years and had a 38-55 built on a 1885 High Wall action. If I ever hunt in an area that won't allow a bottleneck cartridge but a straight walled one is ok I have a rifle for the job. It might be considered obsolete or old fashioned by some but I can still take a deer or a bear with it same thing with the #1 405. I had a #1 built in a 30 caliber and while I considered a 300 WSM ever so briefly I choose the time proven 300 H&H.
It seems we continue to try to reinvent the wheel and IMHO the 300 H&H VS the 300 WSM is a good example as the ballistics are for the most part pretty much the same. I have no need or want for the latest and alleged greatest new super whiz bang magnum. I like the 6.5X55 better than the Creedmoor partly because of it's history. It seems the focus has become on how far away an animal can be shot versus actually hunting that animal. Nobody I know says there going deer shooting.
One (and probably the only one ) of the new whiz bang calibers that I have is a 25 WSSM and I've had it 20 years. This is in a Cooper Varmint Extreme. I bought because it was a varmint rifle and had Exhibition French walnut (I'm also a wood whore) case colored action and rings. I bought all the brass I could find and accumulated about 800 pieces so I'll not run out in my lifetime.
If it's not broken don't fix it but society cries for something new every year from automobiles to guns and the marketing people have to adjust to what the people want I understand that but this person just doesn't subscribe to that.

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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: DBoston] #15659419 01/15/21
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Originally Posted by DBoston
I hope the .220 Swift doesn't fade away. Only reason I don't have one is LH rifles in the Swift are pretty scarce.


No fade here, local somewhat big-box store, only ammo on the shelf is .220 Swift, and a couple boxes of 6mm Creed

Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15659492 01/15/21
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I sold my old Sako L461 Vixen .222 RM because factory ammunition was being replaced with the then new .223. I know that my.25-20, .221 FB and .300 Savage have been obsoleting themselves the same way and I've already mentioned my .257 Roberts 760. Too late smart to buy ammunition when I found it.


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Just a Hunter] #15660098 01/15/21
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Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
Looks like Lapua will be making .284 brass for 2021.



Very nice to know. Hope they follow thru.


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: gnoahhh] #15767438 02/09/21
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Hello
I have about 100 factory G&H cases for 22-3000 and a box for 50 of them. Any idea of the best venue to get them into a shooter or collector hands?...

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Originally Posted by Former173rd
Hello
I have about 100 factory G&H cases for 22-3000 and a box for 50 of them. Any idea of the best venue to get them into a shooter or collector hands?...


Member gnoah might be interested in them.



Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Quak] #15767542 02/09/21
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Originally Posted by Quak
Wssm cartridges have feeding issues. The original wsm owes its demise to the original creator Rick Jamison and his settlement with Olin over copyright infringement



I meant patent...sry

I’ll stand behind all else. WSMs are offered sure...but not promoted...and certainly not popular.


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WSSMs are as dead as Julius Caesar


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: 260Remguy] #15768203 02/10/21
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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
John,

While you don't know me, if you're counting WSSM owners, put me down for 21; 2x223, 4x243, and 15x25.

Should you change your handle to "WSSM Guy"? smile


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: Switch] #15768267 02/10/21
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What is this vanishing you speak of?

My .25-20 SS is curious.


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Re: Cartridges That Are Vanishing [Re: jwp475] #15768284 02/10/21
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Originally Posted by jwp475
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Wssm cartridges have feeding issues. The original wsm owes its demise to the original creator Rick Jamison and his settlement with Olin over copyright infringement

I don't know that I buy that. At one time the WSM's were chambered by pretty much everyone.


Yes but they were dropped like a hot potato when Jamison won a royalty payment for for each built WSM


if thats true then why are new companies like Christensen, Fierce, etc. offering WSM chamberings?


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