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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
TStarbucks. This store is right next to the high school so a kid could get out of school at 3 and walk right over and work until 9 and his mom could come pick him up.
The assistant manager told me "The kids are afraid of work."

I don't know what the pay is. When I was in school I worked for 2 years at minimum wage as a bag boy at the local grocery store. I had 6 buddies from high school who worked at that same store and some of the girl students were cashiers there. Everybody I knew had a job in 12th grade.

I think the kids today are lacking a work ethic.


If the kid gets off work at 9, and does all his homework, how many hours of sleep does he get? When I was in high school I worked building cabinets six days per week. I got about four hours sleep per night because I had at least a few hours homework every night. Including classes it was more time spent than I did in college for a biology degree.

Granted I was in all honors and AP classes but still. And I had to beg off work before exams to study or I'd fail. That was over twenty years ago. Before we gave up on public school our kid had the same workload.

Our homeschooled kids don't have homework because we actually teach them instead of expecting parents to do it with homework.

I think maybe the problem isn't so much the kids as how they are detained and trained by lazy teachers in government schools.


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Companies typically pay as little as possible, it's business.
And it's about the only expense they control.
And today, employers don't feel any obligation to employees, at all.
If your income is insufficient, assistance will fill the gap.

It's what Bernie Saunders meant when he said the richest benefit
from Socialism in this country. The Waltons underpay their employees,
The government makes up the gap and keeps them fed, and healthy. So they
can work.




Big factor. That's why local government has gone socialist even when the good old boys your conservatism as they do it.


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Too many workers getting "paid" to stay home..
That's part of it for sure.


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That’s sucks.

I had kids, and know kids that worked in FF. The biggest biotch they all had was management. Poor management drives off workers. Unfair hour allotment....they have there favorites...

Heck when my one daughter was 16 she was closing a subway by herself. Later she went to work at Fudds’ and started assistant manager training after she turned 18.



I’m guessing the problem has nothing to do with management.

Maybe giving children IPhones when they’re 10 years old?


That too..


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I think part of the problem is that America has raised a generation of lazy, entitled kids. "Mommy and Daddy will by me a car, pay for school, reward me for minimal to no effort".
ABSOlutely!!!! Work ethic's in the toilet - and that (IMHO) is a lack of parenting..


Exactly, and it’s not just kids from liberal parents either. I know many traditional valued conservatives who seem to understand the value of work, and who speak of how they worked hard as kids to buy their first car and how that was a goof thing. They are essentially making a value statement. However, these same people buy their kids really nice and fairly expensive cars when they turn 16, often saying, “he’s a good kid, he deserves it,” or some BS about wanting their kid to have a safe, reliable car.

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Expectations have changed. Many young Americans think they are entitled to an Apple watch, a gamer level laptop and an electric car. People w/out education and/or training want to live rural and have good healthcare and stuff. We need to return to a society that rewards
motivation and training and provides enough to the untermensch who labor faithfully to drive a beater or take the bus and live in a decent trailer.

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My sister works for a company that builds huge electric motors. They have had standing offers of hiring machinist trainees at $15 an hour for several years now and they can't get enough people that want to work and learn cnc machining.

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Originally Posted by smarquez
My sister works for a company that builds huge electric motors. They have had standing offers of hiring machinist trainees at $15 an hour for several years now and they can't get enough people that want to work and learn cnc machining.

Is she in your area?

Awfully hard, nearly impossible to survive on $15 an hour down there. That's why there are so many multi family homes, or 8 guys (immigrant) renting three bedroom suburban houses.


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Meh...right now the market is being set with your tax dollars. No need to go to work for $15 or $20 an hour when you can make $25 an hour sitting on your ass at home. As for loyalty, ha. I can’t remember the last person I hired who didn’t take a sick day or some other bullschit in the FIRST MONTH of employment. Just getting people who will show up on time five days a week is a challenge. It’s one reason the Mexicans are so damned popular...they work. And around here, Mexicans ain’t cheaper than anyone else anymore. If anything, they demand a premium. If you do get your money’s worth when you hire them.

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I was in Spring Hill (TN) yesterday and almost every business had "Help Wanted" sign on the door.


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The local university students seem to have plenty of cash and no jobs. I think they are borrowing tons of money thinking they won't have to pay it back. Student loans have been out of control since Obama Federalized them.

I'm always amazed at how the college kids afford to eat out every day and spend $10/ meal. Those coeds have to maintain their 250 plus pound figures.

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We can't even get a visit for offering $19.00 per hour with no experience. We used to get high school kids looking for Summer jobs and not a soul responds to adds or word of mouth. We have two guys that have been with us 31 an 26 years. In fact, we don't have a single guy with less than 10 years experience. The guy that has 31 years actually fired his own stepson because he was a lazy piece of $hit. Go on any one of our job sites and it's all the "gray beards" getting things done. Fact. not fiction!!

Any benefits or chance at raises?

Depending on the type of work, $19/hr isn't a whole lot nowadays, especially in a metro area.


60% of Blue Cross Blue Shield, full payment of $25,000 life insurance and full payment of long and short term disability. Paid cell phone and uniforms. No where to go but up if you work hard, most all of my construction guys make $28 - $32 per hour and if you're a foreman a company truck. Doesn't matter anyway, with a 2.25% unemployment rate in Nebraska all the people that want to work are working already.

PS. The cost of living here isn't even close to NY, NJ, CA, etc.


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When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.

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Originally Posted by WMR
When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.



And people are not obliged to work for thieves.


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Originally Posted by WMR
When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.



Exactly.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.



And people are not obliged to work for thieves.


Complete agree. Employment is a voluntary contract between two parties. A worker is always free to seek a better gig. The more value he brings, the better his bargaining position.

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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.



And people are not obliged to work for thieves.



Are you still driving the dot heads around? Upward mobility still exists here for the motivated.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by WMR
When saying that a person cannot live on a given wage, are we automatically multiplying by 40 to calculate the total. There are a lot more than 40 hours in a week. Get a second job. The world doesn’t owe anybody anything.



And people are not obliged to work for thieves.



Are you still driving the dot heads around? Upward mobility still exists here for the motivated.


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No, now I work in Parks and Gardens for the local council...I got sick of being inside all the time.

...and when I get sick of that I shall do something else, though the twits seem to think they own me.


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I don't know... in construction you got to pay above minimum wage to get someone decent to give it a shot. It's hard work, but of you don't want to waste time training anyone not cut out for it, you got to appeal to the kids that are likely worth training. Would 2 or 3 bucks above min wage really break your company?

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Originally Posted by WMR
If these employers are offering $15 and have no workers, then it seems that that wage is too low. If it takes $17.50 to get workers, then that is the fair wage in that market, no? That sounds like a sign of a good economy. Or maybe it just indicates that unemployment benefits are too high.


It may have more to do with the pay they get to stay at home.


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Was at a Japanese Hibaxhi grill last night. Sitting next to us was a well dressed couple, Black dude with a mexi-black girlfriend. Nice people to talk to. Overhear here saying how they’ll go to the farmers market in the morning because there they will double the value of your EBT card to buy stuff with. As they were eating filet, shrimp, and extra vegetables, while downing a couple cocktails each. Bill had to be close to $150 for the two of them. Follow them out and they drive off in a new four door pimped out Jeep. Need that to take them to the farmers market to double the value of their EBT card.

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Ain't it ironic people with jobs that need some help are
ashamed when they use those cards.

I've known some who go away from here to buy big grocery
orders. Somewhat for value, more because they don't want to be
seen with an Access card.


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