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Holy schit, my point of discussion was missed by many and it went sideways.
There are a number of cartridges that have been around a long time and hence chambered in older actions and is down loaded. For example, 7x57 Mauser.
I simply asked if the the .30-06 was such a cartridge, NOT if it is still capable to kill stuff if velocity is not what it could be in factory loads.
This is a gun/hunting forum. You need to ask the opposite of what you are seeking for it to stay on topic. 
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Are .30-06 factory loads lower pressure since it is chambered in a lot of older rifles? Can handloads be "warmer" in modern rifles? Of course not to exceed book numbers....... My chronographed results 150gn Factory = 2853fps. Best handloads = 3100fps+ 165gn Factory = 2680fps. Best handlaods = 2950fps. 168gn Factory = 2662fps. Best handloads = 2960fps 180gn Factory = 2632fps. Best handloads = 2800fps+
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Thanks Aussie. Care to share the loads?
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my best hand loads with 180g are with H4350 at 2800, win brass, 5/8" in 24" rem SS sporter bbl.
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ALL factory ammo is "underloaded" according to some handloaders....
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I looked at my notes, and in a rifle with a 24 inch barrel, I got about 2690 fps for Federal Premium ammo with 180 grain Nosler Partitions. That seems pretty reasonable to me, although I can get close to 2800 fps with handloads and 180 grain bullets at what appear to be reasonable pressures.
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That's my point: at similar pressure the difference between the two is moot. Again, unless I'm missing something. I’m with you and John. My little M725 280 does about 3100 with BBCs and H4831SC. It’s a 22” barrel and I can’t think of a good reason I’d mess with it or gain much with it being an Ackley.
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My NULA updated Colt Light Rifle in 30-06 (w/ a 24 barrel) gave the following velocities and pressures for factory loads
Win 165 Power Point 2717 fps, 47,000 psi
Rem Premium 165 Accutip 2849 fps, 61,700 psi
Fed Prem 165 TTSX 2857 fps, 56,300 psi
Horn 165 Light Mag 2900 fps, 56,600 psi
Horn 165 Custom 2824 fps, 57,200 psi
Fed 180 gr, High Energy Nosler Part. 2860 fps, 56,600 psi
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It’s been along time but I remember chronographing Winchester 180s at just over 2500. The same rifle shot 180g hand loads at 2810. I agree that modern factory loads have really improved in recent years, both accuracy and velocity. Still, I’ve never chronographed Remington or Winchesters that were closer than 100fps to advertised velocities.
While it makes little practical difference when hunting at normal ranges, if I wanted to shoot 308 velocities, I’d buy a 308…. Similarly, if you want magnum velocities, best to buy a magnum.
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My NULA updated Colt Light Rifle in 30-06 (w/ a 24 barrel) gave the following velocities and pressures for factory loads
Win 165 Power Point 2717 fps, 47,000 psi
Rem Premium 165 Accutip 2849 fps, 61,700 psi
Fed Prem 165 TTSX 2857 fps, 56,300 psi
Horn 165 Light Mag 2900 fps, 56,600 psi
Horn 165 Custom 2824 fps, 57,200 psi
Fed 180 gr, High Energy Nosler Part. 2860 fps, 56,600 psi How did you determine the pressures?
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And why were the high energy rounds discontinued. Some Google indicates the same velocities that were mentioned in a few posts.
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While it makes little practical difference when hunting at normal ranges,
if I wanted to shoot 308 velocities, I’d buy a 308….
Similarly, if you want magnum velocities, best to buy a magnum.
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My NULA updated Colt Light Rifle in 30-06 (w/ a 24 barrel) gave the following velocities and pressures for factory loads
Win 165 Power Point 2717 fps, 47,000 psi
Rem Premium 165 Accutip 2849 fps, 61,700 psi
Fed Prem 165 TTSX 2857 fps, 56,300 psi
Horn 165 Light Mag 2900 fps, 56,600 psi
Horn 165 Custom 2824 fps, 57,200 psi
Fed 180 gr, High Energy Nosler Part. 2860 fps, 56,600 psi How did you determine the pressures? John: I used an Oehler 43 which I have used for 20 years.
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“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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What is an Oehler 43?. I don't see one on their website. Thanks
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“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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Thanks. That's what I would have guessed. Curious that they don't have it on their website. very pricey, primarily commercial customers, I'd bet!
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They quit building the 43 a number of years ago. My wife gave me mine for a birthday present in 2000. At the time it was about $1,000. A bunch, but we were both working and my wife had retired from auto racing. It was a real revelation to see how easy it is to overload a cartridge. Since I don't have access to SAMMI reference ammo, I use a variety of factory ammo as a general gauge.
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Interesting! Thanks for the info. Just a little jealous that you have the where with all to do that!
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