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Plus SAAMI specced 8 twist factory barrels and throats that promote great accuracy from factory loads. John, Not exactly. The 8-twist barrels and SAAMI throats helped, but the big "marketing" push didn't occur until several years after the 6.5 CM appeared, as I noted in a previous post--and was primarily due to hunters finding out how well it worked, not Hornady's limited early promotion as a target round. A good example of this is one of my magazine editors, who maybe 4-5 years ago told all the staff writers that he didn't want any more articles involving the 6.5 Creedmoor. Then a year or two later he changed his mind, because so many READERS were demanding more info in the magazine.... JB, Simply saying that marketing won't turn a sow ear into a silk purse and there is a big list of cartidges that were marketed heavily but failed due to poor design. I think we are pretty much on the same page. Fun fact but Wayne V killed the first elk with the 6.5 CM and I set the rifle up and was the spotter. Wayne won't admit it was at 600yds.
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Plus SAAMI specced 8 twist factory barrels and throats that promote great accuracy from factory loads. John, Not exactly. The 8-twist barrels and SAAMI throats helped, but the big "marketing" push didn't occur until several years after the 6.5 CM appeared, as I noted in a previous post--and was primarily due to hunters finding out how well it worked, not Hornady's limited early promotion as a target round. A good example of this is one of my magazine editors, who maybe 4-5 years ago told all the staff writers that he didn't want any more articles involving the 6.5 Creedmoor. Then a year or two later he changed his mind, because so many READERS were demanding more info in the magazine.... JB, Simply saying that marketing won't turn a sow ear into a silk purse and there is a big list of cartidges that were marketed heavily but failed due to poor design. I think we are pretty much on the same page. Fun fact but Wayne V killed the first elk with the 6.5 CM and I set the rifle up and was the spotter. Wayne won't admit it was at 600yds. I think it’s recorded in a video though isn’t it John? I remember watching him and man, everyone looked a little surprised when that bull took a nose dive.
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According to a European study, 7mm bullets have been linked to heart disease and cancer. These conditions aren't a problem in Scandinavian countries, or with 6.5mm bullets. The US is slowly being integrated into the European collective. Resistance is futile. Hornady has been secretly funded by several European governments to develop ammunition that is, 1. Euro friendly; 2. Very accurate (to lure Americans away from the various 30 cal cartridges); 3. Less fattening; 4. Cheaper; and 5. Designed to convert the US to metric. This last thing is troubling. According to the National Reloading Foundation, metric measurements will change the reloading landscape in the US within a few years. Grains will become grams. Meters will replace feet. 1000 yd ranges will become 914 meters, etc. It has been happening in the US for several years now. Plummeting 30-06 and 308 Winchester sales. The constant, in your face comparisons of the 6.5CM to the Swede. Canada (a metric country) produces much of the powder for the US market. The same goes for Australia. Lapua bullets are more widely available. Coincidence? No. Sweden is quietly going about their metric, 6.5mm business. They want the 6.5x55mm restored to its former glory, and are using the 6.5CM as their way in. Keep your eyes on Lindström, Minnesota. The US centre of operations. Expect warning labels on store bought 7mm and 30 cal ammunition. Swedish will be taught in more US high schools. Vihtavuori powder will arrive in the US in much larger quantities than before, displacing the old standbys. American children will be taught that herring and Köttbullar (Swedish meatballs) are healthy foods. For many people, it's too late. Whatcha doing with that bowl of bait?
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I think it’s recorded in a video though isn’t it John? I remember watching him and man, everyone looked a little surprised when that bull took a nose dive.
Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOo6gprtKeA&t=3s
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That’s the one. Great stuff.
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John,
Yeah, I know Wayne pretty well, and have hunted with him a few times. Would kinda understand why he wouldn't acknowledge that....
"Simply saying that marketing won't turn a sow ear into a silk purse and there is a big list of cartridges that were marketed heavily but failed due to poor design" is basically what I said in another post--though also referring to the Ford Edsel and New Coke!
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According to a European study, 7mm bullets have been linked to heart disease and cancer. These conditions aren't a problem in Scandinavian countries, or with 6.5mm bullets. The US is slowly being integrated into the European collective. Resistance is futile. Hornady has been secretly funded by several European governments to develop ammunition that is, 1. Euro friendly; 2. Very accurate (to lure Americans away from the various 30 cal cartridges); 3. Less fattening; 4. Cheaper; and 5. Designed to convert the US to metric. This last thing is troubling. According to the National Reloading Foundation, metric measurements will change the reloading landscape in the US within a few years. Grains will become grams. Meters will replace feet. 1000 yd ranges will become 914 meters, etc. It has been happening in the US for several years now. Plummeting 30-06 and 308 Winchester sales. The constant, in your face comparisons of the 6.5CM to the Swede. Canada (a metric country) produces much of the powder for the US market. The same goes for Australia. Lapua bullets are more widely available. Coincidence? No. Sweden is quietly going about their metric, 6.5mm business. They want the 6.5x55mm restored to its former glory, and are using the 6.5CM as their way in. Keep your eyes on Lindström, Minnesota. The US centre of operations. Expect warning labels on store bought 7mm and 30 cal ammunition. Swedish will be taught in more US high schools. Vihtavuori powder will arrive in the US in much larger quantities than before, displacing the old standbys. American children will be taught that herring and Köttbullar (Swedish meatballs) are healthy foods. For many people, it's too late. Whatcha doing with that bowl of bait? I'd like to convince more people to incorporate 6.5mms into their outdoor activities. We have to remember that the 6.5mm market is too crowded, so the 6.5CM, 6.5-284 and the 26 Nosler will fail. There are others that are doomed to fail as well, like the 6.5 PRC. This is a golden opportunity to pick up a 6.5x55mm, 6.5x54, 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Grendel or some other rifles at bargain basement prices. I am presently in negotiations with Honda. I would like them to include a 6.5 Arisaka with every new or Honda certified used vehicle. I figure I will try Fiat, Lamborghini and a few others as well. We shouldn't forget the 6.5mm Portuguese Mausers, the 6.5 Gibbs or the 6.5 Epps. I've got Steve Hornady interested in the 6.5 Vostok, but he is a bit worried because of its Russian origins. Still, it is a biathlon cartridge after all. 6.5 Vostok (6.5x54r)
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According to a European study, 7mm bullets have been linked to heart disease and cancer. These conditions aren't a problem in Scandinavian countries, or with 6.5mm bullets. The US is slowly being integrated into the European collective. Resistance is futile.
Same study that linked Redgwell to perpetual dumbasssery. What's wrong? Didn't they bring you your Jell-O? You'd be cranky too if you born with ears like Dumbo.
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I've kind of like dumbo ears.....
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so Steve once again an anti gun, pro China, pro black face Trudeau covtard Canadian like you should stick to double masking and multi vaxxing, 8 boosters and shutting down all businesses to save the world from the deadly Covid According to a European study, 7mm bullets have been linked to heart disease and cancer. These conditions aren't a problem in Scandinavian countries, or with 6.5mm bullets. The US is slowly being integrated into the European collective. Resistance is futile. Hornady has been secretly funded by several European governments to develop ammunition that is, 1. Euro friendly; 2. Very accurate (to lure Americans away from the various 30 cal cartridges); 3. Less fattening; 4. Cheaper; and 5. Designed to convert the US to metric. This last thing is troubling. According to the National Reloading Foundation, metric measurements will change the reloading landscape in the US within a few years. Grains will become grams. Meters will replace feet. 1000 yd ranges will become 914 meters, etc. It has been happening in the US for several years now. Plummeting 30-06 and 308 Winchester sales. The constant, in your face comparisons of the 6.5CM to the Swede. Canada (a metric country) produces much of the powder for the US market. The same goes for Australia. Lapua bullets are more widely available. Coincidence? No. Sweden is quietly going about their metric, 6.5mm business. They want the 6.5x55mm restored to its former glory, and are using the 6.5CM as their way in. Keep your eyes on Lindström, Minnesota. The US centre of operations. Expect warning labels on store bought 7mm and 30 cal ammunition. Swedish will be taught in more US high schools. Vihtavuori powder will arrive in the US in much larger quantities than before, displacing the old standbys. American children will be taught that herring and Köttbullar (Swedish meatballs) are healthy foods. For many people, it's too late. Whatcha doing with that bowl of bait? I'd like to convince more people to incorporate 6.5mms into their outdoor activities. We have to remember that the 6.5mm market is too crowded, so the 6.5CM, 6.5-284 and the 26 Nosler will fail. There are others doomed to failure as well, like the 6.5 PRC. This is a golden opportunity to pick up 6.5x55mm, 6.5x54, 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Grendel and some others at bargain basement prices. I am presently in negotiations with Honda. I would like them to include a 6.5 Arisaka with every new or Honda certified used vehicle. I figure I will try Fiat, Lamborghini and a few others as well. We shouldn't forget the 6.5mm Portuguese Mausers, the 6.5 Gibbs or the 6.5 Epps. I've got Steve Hornady interested in the 6.5 Vostok, but he is a bit worried because of its Russian origins. Still, it is a biathlon cartridge after all. 6.5 Vostok (6.5x54r)
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I've kind of like dumbo ears..... no response for that, beautiful
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and the well seasoned rifle guy chimes in Plus SAAMI specced 8 twist factory barrels and throats that promote great accuracy from factory loads. John, Not exactly. The 8-twist barrels and SAAMI throats helped, but the big "marketing" push didn't occur until several years after the 6.5 CM appeared, as I noted in a previous post--and was primarily due to hunters finding out how well it worked, not Hornady's limited early promotion as a target round. A good example of this is one of my magazine editors, who maybe 4-5 years ago told all the staff writers that he didn't want any more articles involving the 6.5 Creedmoor. Then a year or two later he changed his mind, because so many READERS were demanding more info in the magazine.... JB, Simply saying that marketing won't turn a sow ear into a silk purse and there is a big list of cartidges that were marketed heavily but failed due to poor design. I think we are pretty much on the same page. Fun fact but Wayne V killed the first elk with the 6.5 CM and I set the rifle up and was the spotter. Wayne won't admit it was at 600yds.
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Missed your meds again, ribbie?
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Why the 6.5 CM? Well because it performs. It “punches above its weight class”. Which is how Taylor described the 375 H&H. That is why.
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And I always thought that this was the one forum at the fire free of children.
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I've kind of like dumbo ears..... no response for that, beautiful I like big ears, too.... DF
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Why the 6.5 CM? Well because it performs. It “punches above its weight class”. Which is how Taylor described the 375 H&H. That is why.
That well may well be the "bottom line", for sure not the last word... DF
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I've kind of like dumbo ears..... I told you if you posted that pic again you were in for a shanking. Watch your 6.
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Why the 6.5 CM? Well because it performs. It “punches above its weight class”. Which is how Taylor described the 375 H&H. That is why.
Along with being a cartridge recommended for light recoil, and having high bc bullets for long range, that used to be how the 7mm-08 was described.
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