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To directly answer the OP, I always suggest to them that instead of limiting guns, we just make murder illegal. He'll always respond that murder is already illegal, and then I reply, "And your gun idea will be exactly as effective."


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Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by ironeagle_84

He says there is absolutely no need for a large capacity magazine, and nobody should need more than 6-10 for any reason.



Because, in the heat of the moment, I may miss.

Apparently these folks have never been in a stressful life and death situation.

It ain't the freakin movies where the good guy bust cranium with every shot.



This^^^^^^^^


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You might point out that magazine restrictions were in place during the Columbine killings with little effect. 15 dead and 21 injured.

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I tend to take two approaches.

One is that I want to run out of ammo after the person trying to kill me does.

The other is the civil rights approach. As said before, did minorities need to sit in the front of the bus or eat in all restaurants? Your wanting to deny me my Constitutional rights is like racists wanting to deny minorities their rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a civil right for which you liberals should fight as hard as you did for the civil rights of all citizens to ride and eat where they desired.

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My personal feeling is that firearms owners are always on the defensive, trying to defend our rights. I feel we need to start playing offense. Tell your liberal comrade that magazine capacity isn't the issue - opening up the machine gun registry to newly manufactured machine guns is what we need to be looking at.

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Originally Posted by walt501
opening up the machine gun registry


We should not have a machine gun registry at all. We should go after that.

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The easiest way to address this matter is to put it in terms that can understand and relate to. He doesn't need multiple sports channels so lets just limit it to one channel. He doesn't need to use his cell phone in the car, we all know it causes more deaths than DUI, so lets modify cell phones to they do not function in any vehicle. He doesn't even really need a car as he can carpool or maybe take the bus so lets limit car ownership as we all know it is killing gaia or mother.

Most folks would have a cow if thy govt. limited many of the privileges we take for granted yet don't even wince we they talk about restricting a right. Sometimes when they see the fallacy of limiting a privilege or complain about hindering their "freedom" you can point out that those "freedoms" are not rights. And of they complain about privileges then they should be even more concerned about rights. You can always see how they like the notion of restricting the press or hindering your right to trial, etc and draw a parallel.


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I'm always dumbfounded that the antis are sure a criminal is going to follow certain gun laws as he's about to go on a shooting rampage. It would be funny if it weren't so sickening.

Gun Law--"No higher than a 10round magazine."

Bad Guy--"Well I don't want to get in any trouble, so I guess I'm not gonna go shoot a bunch of people with my AR."

Gun Law--"That's the spirit. See I actually work".

Bad Guy--"On second thought, why don't I just get 15 mags that hold 10 each"

Gun Law--"Assault Weapons are Banned!"

Bad Guy--"Ok, I'll just shoot em up with my Glock that holds 15"

Gun Law--"Damn!! I really don't make sense do I"


Bad Guy--"No [bleep] Einstein!"




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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
To directly answer the OP, I always suggest to them that instead of limiting guns, we just make murder illegal. He'll always respond that murder is already illegal, and then I reply, "And your gun idea will be exactly as effective."


Rocky, maybe just a little adjustment needed. Regarding the part about murder-"It is already illegal" "SO let me know how THAT works out for ya!" Just enough sarcasm to bite.


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The only way to answer a lib like that is to equate it to something they like to do and strip it away. Your Lib friend probably drinks or smokes. Just tell him he can no longer by a six pack and to purchase any alcohol at all he will have to register as an alcohol drinker. Tell him that he will only be entitled to one 12 oz beer/equivilant bottle of wine in a 24 hour time period. Tell him that he is stopped and caught with alcohol that is beyond his legal limit and that he did not legally purchase, it is a felony offense or whatever you want it to be. Auto suspension of driving privledges for 6 months. You have to screw with them on their level.

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But I have found no matter how good, how logical, or have correct your answer is they still will not believe you. Just like they believe Obama does not lie.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
A different response might be something like this:

When I call the cops because someone is breaking into my house they will show up to face that threat, someone breaking into my house, with standard capacity magazines in their pistols (15-20) and ARs (30).

They are not showing up to "kill as many as possible". They are simply carrying the right tools to face an unknown threat.

I am an American Citizen and the 2nd Amendment allows me the right to keep and bear arms for several reasons. One of those reasons is self defense and I choose the same types of arms as my local police department because I face the same threats as my local police department.

Or you could just start screaming "Molon Labe" as you dance in a circle around him. grin



good stuff indeed, but I always use my wife as my example

I used to guide and would be gone from 4-6 weeks at a time when our kids were small.

our bedroom is upstairs, kids bedrooms are downstairs, we live a little remote, specially back then before more development took place, we were surrounded by 9 acres of woods.

she has a handgun safe, that used to contain a .38 police positive as that was what I taught her to shoot with, a surefire flashlight and a prepaid cellphone in the little safe under our bed.

now that same safe contains all the same items but with a Glock 22 with a 15 round magazine instead, tritium night sights and lasermax laser guide rod, we purchased it many moons ago while our kids were still small. A panic button alarm is high up on the wall, to wake the kids and for them to go to the safe, hiding room downstairs and lock the door from the inside.

evidence is out there for anyone that is willing to read, our "trained" LEO often expend numerous rounds for every hit on bad guys.

why? I think because of stress, in highly stressful situations such as combat, form and training often go out the window and adrenaline and muscle memory take over.

in the event of a home invasion, I don't think my wife should be forced to have to switch magazines until absolutely necessary.

I always told her, if the dogs are barking and you hear something crashing through our door, first dial 9-11 and fire 3 rounds through our bedroom ceiling.

the way our house is positioned, she could cover the stair well that leads to our kids bedrooms, and still have 12 rounds left before she ever had to worry about changing mags, hold the phone in one hand talking to the cops, and the pistol in the other ready to destroy anyone that headed downstairs or towards our bedroom.

the dogs are a big help as they will be on whomever decided to break in and she'll know by noise roughly where the perp(s) would be.

also you'll know if they shoot the dogs and how intent they are

my "hope" was by hearing the first 3 rounds go through the roof, most criminals would flee, however if they did not, you know you have to use deadly force because you're up against a determined enemy.

don't surrender your weapon for any reason, until cops are swarming the house

if two bad guys busted in, she's got 6 rounds for each (if she fired 3 into the ceiling)

based on the evidence, that's not a lot of rounds, and you can do the math, if there's 3 guys that's 4 rounds each, 4 only if 3 guys.


I see no reason why the actions of others that are criminal intended that she should be deprived of the most effective means to protect what she holds most dear, our children, by legislation of cowards.

in fact the mere instance of home invasions is telling imo, how many of those are performed by folks with squeaky clean records?

I'd say very few, I'd suggest (though I don't have evidence to support it) that most of them have been to advanced school for criminals, prison, at least once before.

that in itself is a proof positive that the criminal justice system that is supposed to protect the innocent like my wife and children has failed miserably to do so.

until they get that part of it figured out, please don't support legislation by cowards and those that can afford to live in ivory towers surrounded by bodyguards that leaves my wife or kids in a more vulnerable and difficult situation to protect what we hold most dear, our kids, our lives and our liberties.

my wife is a gentle being, no desire to shoot anyone, unless they would do harm to our kids.

I believe along with our last defense against a tyrannical gov't, it's what the 2nd intended, give the weak and the outnumbered a fighting chance to save those they love when faced with the most dire of consequences.

I curse a gov't or a people that would take steps to prevent my loving wife from protecting what she holds most dear because we choose to live in a more rural type setting.




I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Unless your co-worker is one of the liberal elites [doubtful], he is what Lenin referred to as a "useful idiot"......there is no way you can make him understand as his brain does not belong to him.

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Originally Posted by ColdBore
Originally Posted by ironeagle_84
I have a co worker who is a raving libtard.

So, what is a better statement to return fire with?


Nothing will work.

Don't feed his appetite for argument, you will NEVER change his mind.


That's the ticket right there!

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Your coworker seems to already know that firearms can be used to commit murder, so he is in fact arguing for a murder quota system (10 murders or less Ok, more than ten, not so much) instead of confronting the real issue of the perp. who commits the crime in the first place.

Not to mention the fact that murder has been illegal and immoral for thousands of years. Other than for the purpose of evidence, whatever weapon is used to commit the crime is irrelevant.


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Originally Posted by ironeagle_84


He is all over me about my lack of real argument over the magazine capacity.

He says there is absolutely no need for a large capacity magazine, and nobody should need more than 6-10 for any reason.

So, what is a better statement to return fire with?


To the libtard:
1: We don't need high capacity magazines or "assault weapons" any more than Rosa Parks "needed" to sit in the front of the bus. It's about rights and just like Rosa Parks we're standing up for them.

2: If the White House and congress were controlled by republicans and they wanted to narrow abortion would you trust them?

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Originally Posted by ironeagle_84
I have a co worker who is a raving libtard.

He is all over me about my lack of real argument over the magazine capacity.

He says there is absolutely no need for a large capacity magazine, and nobody should need more than 6-10 for any reason.

I told him it is not about need, but a right to own what we want to paid for in blood. He needs to stop blaming rifles and magazines for what people are doing with them...

So, what is a better statement to return fire with?


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