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see David, the sticking point is what the drug dealer brings into the neighborhood. Lots of miscreants, quite often a shooting or two, the occasional drug related murder and/or home invasion.
I just don't want that kind of chit in the 'hood. Messes with my property values.

They have no idea. Wasting your breath, so to speak.

My point, exactly. Me too. If there's a big enough problem you gotta go through the right steps and have a little patience. it's gonna have to affect me or my family before it gets too much attention.

Do you know what the Constitution of the United States is? Is that something you only like to bring up when firearms are involved?



Travis

Yes. I get the picture. Clear as day actually.



Travis

A problem such as this should be viewed as an opportunity, less a problem. Read the paper. Find the arrest blotter section. Note who has been arrested recently for drug 'issues'. Call them up anonymously. Plant the seed. Problem solved….well, no mo' grow thing anyway.

Ok, Matlock.

Type out the articulable facts you have to obtain a search warrant to search the residence outlined in the OP.

Go.



Travis

Looks like rattler might have a new place to pitch his tent.

The days of citizen policing are long passed, thanks to big gov. You just can't count on them when you need them. But, thankfully they're there to stop the people committing the heinous crime against society of speeding.

Is it my job to clean up the neighborhood now? If it is, let the local authorities in on it so I can get started with impunity. Oh, that's right, I was told I'd be arrested if I took the matter in my own hands. I guess that means I have to wait for them to do something. But wait, they said they won't do anything. Looks like I'm screwed huh?

Are you even trying to get all this?

Was that an answer?

You obviously think a search and seizure needs to take place. It's a residence and therefore requires a warrant.

State the articulable facts you would provide to obtain the warrant needed to search and seize at the residence outlined in the OP.



Travis

I hear tell there's some sort of pot based oil women can put on their snatch (canoe man) that makes them into Tasmanian [bleep]. Any truth to that?

Really Travis? So an expectation that something should be done to protect society by the people charged with doing that is undefendable?

Therefore I, a layperson, must delineate for you, exactly what procedures are required to execute said protection??

You don't see the problem here? This has nothing to do with whether Roy knows all the ins and outs of the law enforcement profession. It's about the absolutely simple concept that drug growers and dealers are acting illegally and should be shut down, if at all possible, for the protection of decent people that raise families, pay taxes, and drive the economy.

You can make it about what I know about law enforcement procedure and policy, but that would be pretty pointless wouldn't it, because the issue of law enforcement would not have been addressed. I suspect that's the point though, to skip the whole issue and attack me instead.

My only point is that all that occurred (as described in the OP) is a notification of what is suspected to take place at a residence.

It is absurd to think any law enforcement entity could act on that information alone.

Any citizen with a reasonable understanding of how our justice system works would understand that the local law enforcement must now begin building a case and establish articulable facts in order to convince a judge a warrant should be issued for the searching and possible seizure of the premises.

I fail to see where I attacked anybody.



Travis

JFC

Sounds like one needs to vote out the establishment in the next election. Likely a "we'll look into it" response, and some subsequent feedback would have made it less of an issue for our original poster.

Good luck and keep us up on things.

Yes I totally understand and agree with that part Sam. Guess I'm lucky in that none of my properties have anything remotely associated with any bad doings or guys. At least I think not. Besides all I would have to do is tell the busybody neighbor across the street and the next day it would be in all the papers. Just keep me out of it. About the only thing that ever got my attention was some neighborhood swinging.

I also agree that it takes time to build a case these days. No sense in blowing a good tip on a botched bust. Also, if I think like LE I want the whole bad guy food chain, which takes even more time.

sweet!

So coy when it suits you.

What information do you think is enough for LE to act? Certainly not going to take someone's word that lives there! That's not good enough. I recommended the use of a trail camera for gathering data, license plates, etc, but no comment on that? Is that not enough either? What exactly would you deem "enough"? Does someone need to catch a bullet? At what point does LE "act"?

So "building a case" means what? Looking up the property in question and finding out who owns it for starters? Detective work from there on out until enough information is gathered to justify a warrant? Sounds like they're "acting" to me. Problem is, there's a whole lot of "not acting" going on.

Yet we can't really do anything about the scourge of drugs ourselves can we, because we'll be arrested post haste for doing anything tangible like setting the place on fire and stringing up the scum from a tree. So we sit, dependent on an unresponsive police force and gov. at large, waiting for the help that never arrives. We just hope and pray that our family does not fall victim to these drug scum, because we'll have no recourse if we do.