The SCOTUS decision prior to the elections could stop the Red Wave we all want. It has races that shouldn't be close in statistical ties now.

If not for abortion hysteria here in NV (which has abortion as a right in the State Constitution) the little fat RINO GOP candidate for Governor would be way ahead of Schitzlax. GOP Laxalt would be ahead enough to unseat Cortez-Mastos.

Both of these races are now dead heats, and abortion hysteria is directly to blame. The Demonrats are hammering it, and it's working.

It does not matter if you are for it or against it, it isn't a fundamental right.

The McC's are what WILL stop the Red Wave.

Long ago I said to people that Roe v Wade being overturned would hurt the republican party.
It's sad that so many people support killing babies, but it is what it is, and I don't know what we do about it.

Oh and Miss Lindsey isn't helping with stirring more abortion angst this close to the mid terms.

No, but most women and all snowflakes think it is. It's been touted as a woman's right for two generations, and they assume it is. A lot of fence-sitters have fallen for it as a right.

In an election as close as this is becoming, the issue is driving too many independent voters, sadly.

The cheating is the only thing that might stop the Red Wave.

I agree 100%
The timing was almost as if the Supremes were sabotaging the election on purpose. They should have waited till after the mid terms to release the ruling. The pre release leaker should be found and shot.

I tbink this may all deception on the media's part. The real goal may be to gin up support for packing SCOTUS.

Women like freedom and small government not interfering with their life. Good government promotes both life and freedom, what's happening in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision promotes neither.

No- what's turning away the red wave is REALLY horribly run campaigns by R's that think "Biden is so bad, we have it in the bag".

In WI - Johnson might win but it will be close. Michaels is a damned idiot and running a lazier campaign than Walker did. Evers will win re-election easily. Neither Michaels nor Johnson has an effective ad campaign at all. Johnson won't even mention Evers in his. It's all about him.

Anyone polling "registered voters" at this time is doing it wrong - need to poll "likely" to get numbers.

The Supreme Court ruling will damage Republicans.
Even worse, yesterday Indiana made abortion illegal. Stupid.

You want to make it illegal, fine, but why not wait until December to change the law. This new Indiana law will drive voters in many states to vote Democrat in November.. Why can't Republican zealots in Indiana play a little politics?

From someone here who knows WTH is going on. It makes cheating even easier, BTW.

The media is making more of this than is there. I doubt moderates and independents are choosing candidates based on their views of abortion. Further, the dark card in this election cycle will be the Hispanic vote and the majority do not support abortion.

At the end of the day the motivating factor continues to be the Economy. Everything else is noise.

You have to protect life before you protect liberty or else there's no point in it. In principle, protecting life is a primary obligation.

Fact! Discouraging voters not to show up is the only thing that will stop the Red Wave. I'm not buying into a major backlash regarding abortion. It WASN'T over-ruled. It was returned to the States. Idiots!

People are too stupid and emotional to understand that SCOTUS case.

EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN AN ELECTION YEAR IS ABOUT THE ELECTION!

Mitch M stating that he can't help it when WE pick "bad candidates" speaks volumes.
The mindset of the lifers is that they'll choose who represents us and we'll be happy with it.

That's not how it works Mitch!

Does anyone really believe that Ms Graham didn't have Mitch's full backing this week when he proposed his abortion bill?

'They' want the other side energized.

It just shows you how many idiots could care less about the Constitution. It’s all about them and no one else.

"People are too stupid and emotional to understand that SCOTUS case."

That's right esox. And that is the problem. These Dems are not rational, they run on, and vote on emotion. And the abortion debate gets their emotions inflamed and send them to the polls in droves.

We all know that.

There are far too many idiot soccer moms and public in general who have absolutely no concept of The Constitution of The United States of America. Therein lies a problem. It's akin to the stupidity of human-driven global warming. Both have been touted so long that they have become "fact" in the minds of two generations.

The SCOTUS decision means the Right has to work damn@d hard and not assume there will be the Red Wave. Hammer food, shelter, and gas hard!
This election win isn't walking right up to us. We need to go get it.

Quite honestly this country has far more important issues to solve than abortion.

Not to dead kids.

The RNC can read these polls just as well as anyone else. Why are they not running ads explaining how the SC decision upheld the Constitution and returned it back to the states? They are not really interested in winning the election. They like things just fine the way they are now. They dont want to be in the majority. They might have to show some leadership.

That's what they want you to believe, along with the fake polls.

I'm curious. How does it not hurt? The women's vote and wishy-washy independent vote can move the election left just enough that we lose The Republic.

Roevember is coming

So you're saying we all need to go liberal to save conservatism?

lol spooge... you have about as much credibility as jag with all the bullchit linky garbage you post.

Yep and the abortion issue is being flouted to give it plausibility in eyes of sheeple

We have a country full of sheeple. That's a problem, I think.

If we can't win against the baby killers and Biden lovers our country is doomed.

WTH did you get that from?

Did I ever say that we need to go liberal?

I've been saying we Need to Hammer the real issues...inflation and crime. Pound that into heads full of mush.

So you're saying that Miss Lindsey's proposed 15 week national ban won't have a negative affect in competive House races in Blue states?

I won't speak for copperking, but are you saying that such a measure won't energize conservative voters in Hosue races in any states at all?

All this fear over Roe v. Wade backlash is typical of republican thinking and is exactly the kind of thinking that has more or less silenced conservatism in the House and the Senate. That has led directly to more and more progressivism being shoved down our throats. This is no time to be timid...that's McConnell's brand of politics, and it's leading the country to perdition.

how would they know?.....if there is a god let him handle it when the time comes....then he can take his wrath out on the women..

the idea that you can tell anybody what they can do and cant do with their body is a losing proposition .....bob

That may be the case but that’s not the way women will vote.

You forget...it ain't just about the woman's own body.

I’m concerned with correct interpretation of our Constitution. Could give a fug less about pandering for votes over our Constitution.

Having said that I’ve never bought the democrats propaganda that most woman are for abortion or that it’s mostly just men that are pro life. That was just democrat propaganda to try and divide along gender. The most strong pro life people I know are ALL woman.

The Constitution and our Republic are not about votes they’re about correct Constitutional law. Don’t b1tch about a majority coming for your guns or gun grabbing politicians pandering for votes over your guns while essentially having the same attitude and mindset as the gun grabbers.

RR....let god sort it out....who better to handle it...bob

No doubt that He'll sort many things out---those things we fail to sort out ourselves as we are charged to sort out. Our failings are many but we are on the carpet for them...but we don't just stand and watch evil overtake unless we are evil ourselves.

Sexual predation on children would be a perfect example. Would you be willing to just stand by and watch it proliferate?

And what about correct Constitutional law? Why should anyone care about your 1A and 2A rights when you yourself only pick and choose the parts of our Constitution that you care about.

I don't see it this way. Most of the folks that are going to vote the red wave are already pro life

The equating of big-C Conservatism with mere economics and surrendering social issues to the Left is what has gotten us to where we are and those social issues impact inflation and crime profoundly.

The RNC, McConnell and McCarthy are tanking the Red Wave, this abortion issue is just misdirection, misdirection designed to supply their constituents with another reason why the Red Wave died other than Trump Republicans are the wrong kind of Republicans.

I'm pro-life, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in exceptions for rape, incest and the health of the mother with certain rational and compassionate constraints. The Republicans and red states are overreaching on this one IMO and deserve to lose some support. Just as Dem's that push issues on the far left deserve to lose support from their Democratic base.

I have a wife and 2 teenage daughters and this issue directly impacts them. My lifelong support/vote for the Republican party isn't unconditional and guaranteed.

Most of us prefer our representatives play closer to the middle of the playing field, not the lunatic fringe of the far left or right. For me, that means fiscally conservative and socially moderate.

This in spades. The Republicans just need to be pressing on these issues hard. [bleep] up on abortion, the SC has settled that for now federally.

When do we *not* have an election coming up?

There is NOT ONE BILL that outlaws abortions in those cases.

what does it say in the constitution about abortion?....man has free will...I think that's what the bible says....bob

apples to oranges.....bob

My body my choice.

Oh wait.....


Piss on you women and your unwanted pregnancies.

I don't care.

THIS


1/2 the women are completely irrational.

The others are just often irrational.

Uh-huh.

LOL

Turn off CNN and learn some facts.

Yep. He wanted to argue with Jesse Waters this week that it is never a bad time to be pro life. Except, to my knowledge, he hasn’t ever proposed pro life legislation when the R’s were in control of congress.

Reinforcing my theory that Mushmouth Mitch and Lindsey Grahamnesty don’t want to get off of the minority party gridlock gravy train. Then they would have to actually earn a paycheck.

Wow.

I don't want to have a pissing match with you...there is too much division already...but, wow.

You misspoke. If that is your position you are not pro-life. You are pro convenience. And fence-sitting is not something I promote or see as advancing the cause of liberty and Making America Great Again.

Did you hear about that on the news?

How do you know it's true?

Opinions like the OP are formed by corporate media manipulating mush brains.

Donald Trump was the most pro-life presidential candidate in recent decades and he CRUSHED all contenders. He also CRUSHED Joe ButtFugk Biden.

Anybody that believes otherwise is a flat fugking idiot.

I’m in this camp.

no need for a pissing match....I will be clear...child predators should be killed.....a woman having an abortion of a unwanted pregnancy is not the same in my eyes....

keep in mind what I think doesnt matter....thats on the woman...thats her decision she has to live and die with ......being a free moral agent has its consequences.....bob

Tyrone,
The Texas law bans all abortion after the detection of cardiac activity (which can be as early as 5- 6 weeks), the only exception is for medical emergencies that may impact the mother. Unless it's hidden somewhere I haven't unearthed, there is no exception for rape or incest after the cardiac activity threshold. Part of the argument is that a rape victim can take a concoction immediately that should prevent a pregnancy from taking hold.

I still think it's an overstep from the original TX requirements that seemed to have a reasonable level of restrictions, including:
- Abortions had to be performed before medically accepted viability of 20 weeks
- Had to be fully informed of all alternatives to abortion.
- waiting period
- consent of spouse
- listen to heartbeat and view sonograms
- strict procedures of how the abortion is performed

IMO, both of our political parties have gravitated too far to the extremes. If we continue to do this, we'll continually be revisiting settled law, while the issues that need resolved go untouched.

Agreed, they're planning to cheat again and whipping up a bunch of BS so their all ready decided outcome at least seems a tiny bit plausible.

If so many are that dedicated to killing babies then maybe we deserve the terrible leadership we get. It's going to have to get much worse before it gets better. At least the dems can make it much worse quicker than even I imagined. They are deliberately destroying our country so they can build back bulshevik.

Bb

Yep. The left is always planning to cheat again. They won’t even acknowledge that the SCOTUS decision didn’t abolish abortion in their discussions. They need to keep the issue front and center even though in reality good portion of the population has moved on. They need the facade that it is preeminent. They don’t have much else.

Modern polls are nothing more than propaganda to influence voter turnout. Unfortunately a bunch of people have been sucked right into it.

Squeegee that’s Strike 3 ..

Of course Ms. Lindsay is trying to Sabotage the
Mid Terms Elections..

There is absolutely no reason for Corn Pone to bring up anything to that Effect..

Thank You Capt. Obvious..

Anybody that got their panties in a twist over that ruling was never going to vote GOP anyway. Not a big deal

I can understand that but I'd have to not believe that abortion is murder to accept that point of view. I'm talking about the life of another party, and I'm sure you comprehend that. I consider abortion to be the taking of an innocent life.

Then we and consider to Roe v. Wade itself...how can it be acceptable for SCOTUS to INVENT a Constitutional right? That is exactly what SCOTUS did in Roe v. Wade. That undermines the entire concept of even having a constitution to begin with...and down the slippery slope we go [went].

The issue is multi-faceted, and I don't see how a conservative can defend it from any perspective.

Roe hasn't really played a part, at all. States will decide and we move on. Watch the top news stories on the garbage networks - they're not talking about Roe anymore.... what, or more specifically, WHO are they talking about now?

The thing killing the red wave is the dems re-energizing their base over Trump again. Best thing he could do is go away, you'd immediately take away all their ammo. They've got the recipe to beat him, it really isn't difficult to figure this out at all.

I've spoken to the candidates at rallies. I also know local Republican officials. R v W is a political problem, but many here won't admit it.

Believe WTH you want, but get out and support your candidates locally. Be persuasive but not irate.

That is EXACTLY what the media want s you to believe.

It really isn't difficult to figure this out at all.

Red wave aside, I'm against killing the unborn for the sake of convenience, but looking at it rationally, it's mostly the lefties who are killing off their progeny.

RR...I respect your opinion .. belief....I still say this issue lays on the woman's shoulders . I do believe this is something that god will sort out....if there is a god .....right now with the way the world is going he needs to step in ...bob

Uh, ok, so you want 2020 in 2024 again? That'll be a blast. It's not what they want you to believe (edit: well, you're right, it is, but)... it's (also) the outcome that we already saw. Again - Roe has not impacted independent/swing voters NEARLY as much as the negative coverage machine around DJT has.

Can I just save the back and forth about stolen elections and our lord and savior DJT? Trump won't win in 2024. Stolen or not. There will not be riots. It will be business as usual. Rinse. Repeat. He'll turn in to the hillary [bleep] clinton of the republican party where they use his name to rile up their base for the next two decades.

Coming from a guy who voted for him, and would/will do so again without batting an eye.

take the emotions out of it....and thats the truth of the matter....bob

That's about right.


Probably a bunch of "moderate libertarian" types butt hurt though.


Hell with em.

If we loose in November, we've lost the country. It will be the fault of the hard core conservatives and the abortion issue. A lot of people didn't vote for Trump because he was mean. My guess is the Democrats will pack the SCOTUS and make criminals out of those who resist. Republicans are their own worst enemy and suck at poker.

Good lord in heaven, I can smell the fear and doubt...and it stinks.

What are you talking about?

Most of the lefts agenda now is gridlocked because they don’t have a super majority in the Senate. If the Republicans win one Senate seat or the win the house it’s the same net result as if they win by a large margin.

The thing is 90% of Republicans in office are RINO’s anyhow.

That's not true and is just your attitude talking. I'm pro-life and am happy with the ruling, but many Republican women who would have voted Republican have turned because of it.

OK...put your head back in the sand.


(I hope you strike water, BTW )

When the pollsters rank issues, abortion is waay down the list. Yes, there is media fed hysteria right now and it sound ominous...but the reality is women and their cheerleaders go the grocery store and gas pump a lot more than they go to the abortion store. This Bidinflation is really double digit, I'd guess almost 30%...that is going to hold a lot more sway in November.

Hope you haven't actually swallowed the Kool-Aid. Spit it out, if it's not too late. And stop believing the BS the media spews all over the country like a terrible case of the shits.

Some of you who identify as "conservative" are waaaaaaay too easy to spook.

Let's all hope it will. We have a Nation to lose, and I'm not going to go quietly if they somehow keep Congress.

Thanks!


However...you suppose they were Republicans to start with??




I am always surprised how many "republicans" were Pro Mandate for the vaxx. Saddened really.

A propaganda piece, which will be repeated ta justify the fixed election results that may follow.

People think, ta this day, that blacks turned out in record numbers for O'Buckwheat.

Not.

I'm saying that like jag, you post nothing but spam. And like jag, you have no credibility. Sorry spooge.

Same group of cowards.

“I’m pro-life (except when it comes to elections)

“I’m pro-liberty and self determination (except when there is a super scary flu out there. Then fûck you all)”

To be fair there are a number of member here that have consistent in their belief it’s ok to kill an unborn child. It’s a hard thing to fathom if you’ve held your own newborn in your arms, but most of these are childless [bleep] anyway. All they vote on is their wallet.

Anyone who thinks that anything short of a well rounded Conservatism is capable of making America great again is sadly mistaken.

The limited scope of and blind spots inherent in half assed friedmanesque libertarianism or what was called “Reagan Conservatism” are responsible for our country’s current state.

I'd be interested in knowing what the distinctions of those principle are. IOW, what was wrong with Reagan's ideas and how there errors should be corrected.

So Women aren’t in those Legislative Bodies in the States that are curtailing the Open Meat Market ..


I think you Listen to the Mordor Mules to Much
Bawanna..

Of course we’ll have a Mid Term to find out if the My Kind of Republican was Right ..

Limbaugh hit on the stupidity of the OP's logic many times.

The OP thinks the more ground you give the better your position. That's an inherently idiotic position to hold.

Hey Mister! All we have to do is abandon MAGA and everything will be okay again!

Absolutely indisputable.

The OP believes that.

The OP and his ilk opposed Trump from the get-go.

They're fugking idiots.

You don’t “protect life” by doing things that are calculated to cause your own party to lose in a mid term election. Do you? If anybody can voice an intelligent theory on how this will help the conservative cause, please, post it up, I can’t see it.

Get real.

The number of GUTLESS on this site is both disappointing and astounding.

For one thing Reagan approved no fault divorce as gov of Cali.

Mainly I’m speaking of the very limiting focus upon libertarian and free market economic aspects of conservatism as Conservatism itself.

Prosperity and libertinism without a moral framework to direct us as to how to properly spend money and our freedom leads to what we have now.

Old school (Edmund) Burkean Conservatism is a way of seeing the world that permeates one’s politics including economics & views on liberty but is not a mere political ideology.

Russell Kirk’s bio of Burke, Roger Scruton”s How to be a Conservative, and Richard M Weaver’s Ideas Have Consequences all are helpful in clarifying some of this stuff.

Christopher Caldwell’s Age of Entitlement makes what I found to be a very Trumpian argument starting with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that Reagan did more damage to Conservatism than help. I don’t know if I’d be that harsh but his arguments are tough to refute.

I understand the sentiment.


When they were locking us down and stuff....I was worried what would happen if I didn't go along.

I have been done with giving up ground for some time now.

Amen.

You shouldn’t be honestly. Look at the anti-Trump, the Covtard, and the uketard sentiment here. And this is supposed to be an outdoors/hunting centric site. Traditionally folks that believed in America.

We are fûcked as a nation.

I don't want to read several books. I'd like to know what your own thoughts are because I respect your opinions.

I would argue you could've just gone with that.

George

I agree with this completely.

“It’s the economy, stupid” has played out over countless elections.

I say BS, L2S.

Millions were spent against these two. McCarthy and Turtleneck were against them also.

Most have no clue as to the Trump card coming and Durhams actions before Nov. Bunch of Pollyannas on here.



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Whoa, 10 Capitol Police whistleblowers coming forward. HUMMM.

No wonder there is

I’m as fqkng real as it gets, dumbass, you WIN first, THEN effect lasting results, it’s called strategic thinking, Jesus H Christ, “get real”…

Yet you're advocating we lose so we can win. Don't be a loser bro... enjoy the big win!

I choose to get my information from multiple sources and the WSJ is certainly one of the few I trust as an unbiased news source that just reports facts and lets the reader make their own informed choice. If their poll says that recent abortion rulings are an issue, I believe them, because it matches my own beliefs.

I agree with the SC decision. As a strict constitutional scholar, it is not a constitutional issue. But as a lifelong Republican, the party has lost me on their stance over abortion and their push, such as Texas, for even more restrictive bans. Important decisions and policy are not all black and white. How someone can say they're pro-life and then support capital punishment, I always find as a twist. Few things in life are ever black and white and as a society we have to decide where the line is. Once that's settled, move on. The chances are that neither side is completely happy, but we defined the line we can live with.

We've all become such crybabies now, that if it doesn't fit squarely with your beliefs, we seek to unravel it. This is the case for both Democrats and Republicans! Grow up and realize life is made up of compromises! We should have all learned this as grade school kids on the playground. We look at the kids today and then complain they can't cope with adversity, rejection and compromise. They're just following in our examples! Our current generation of troubled kids that don't know how to cope and compromise are not the root of our current problems. The last two generations are!

Uhhh....you went left because of abortion....and you tell us not to be crybabies??

Most are Orc’s ..
They are here to Muddy Issues

You know like Ms. Lindsay and Her Incredible After the Fact Judgment on Roe about a Federal Law of 15 weeks .

Lindsay you Moron the SC just gave Authority over Abortion to the States to Decide Policy..

You F’ck’n Moron Lindsay who woke you Up ..

I think it was the Derby Donkey name Mitch that stuck a Egg Roll in him that Perk Her Up ..

Chuckle’s the Dual ain’t got nothing on these Malcontents.,

Roll Roll Roll

GOD help us.

You don’t think there’s a difference between killing a completely innocent child in the womb, and executing a convicted murderer…?

Does anyone honestly remember the last time the Democrats negotiated and gave up on an issue to work with "our" side??



I dont either.

So Jim, how do you figure I went left? Because I used critical thinking to form my own decision? I'm probably way more right than you've summed up, but I'm not a sheep that blindly follows the flock.

Fair enough.

You said the party lost you on abortion....yes?

Let me get this straight, you think (feel?), that Graham was smart to bring up this 15 week abortion bill a couple of months before the mid-term election, and you think that is going to prove to be a winning strategy in that we will see a large Red Wave BECAUSE of that, or even in spite of it? Because that’s what I think you are saying, correct me if I’ve misunderstood?

What was that about sheep?

I make this point all the time. The left never concedes or compromises. And why should they? Half our side is made of a candies like the op and geezerganger. They can't stand the thought of winning.

I wish we could trade our eunuchs for the lefts ideological guard. They're warriors who never give up.

alot of people got the vax....some for travel...some for work....some for whatever.....are they all sheep?....bob

Yep. Had both Vax's because of my age and I travel weekly (no mask unless required). For both of my daughters, due to their age and lower risk, we let them choose not to be vaxxed. Critical thinking, strange thing for some.

"Compromise" is ALWAYS conservatives giving up half their ground and getting NOTHING in return, yet some cling to the idea of "compromise." Totally gutless PUSSIES.

Maybe you could explain when a child is NOT a child.

Let me see. I think we have another RINO.

When it is Inconvenient…

Yep. Lost my blind following anyway. I'm not and never will be a single-issue voter. That's what the parties and MSM want everyone to be. I'll never allow myself to be pushed into that. I prefer to look at the bigger picture.

What I do have an issue with is candidates that win and then push the national party agenda. Prime example was Virginia. If you win a race in Virginia, you should be working to represent and support the whims of Virginians. What's up with this crap of Virginia's vehicle emission laws getting triggered based on legislation in California?

once again as I said....it dosent matter what I think...thats on the woman....bob

Reading his entire post, it doesn't seem like he doesn't think much at all.

The WSJ is a leftist NWO Organization and posts a lot of accurate business info in order to suck the low IQ folks in just as the MSM posts many good The Add Council pieces to suck the suckers in.

AS the WSJ says, there was no significant election fraud. They are just as anti - Trump and anti American as CNN is, they just aim at a slightly higher IQ audience of SUCKERS.

Let me know when they say Bidens acts are designed to be destroying America and we need a conservative.

Never Fughkin Happening. They are owned by the Cabal.

Of course not. But read the verbiage of his post. He’s a true-believer in the vax.

Yes, that’s sheeplike.

Again making my point.

Extremely weak response. Maybe go get another booster?

And thanks to our Trump winning supreme court, it ain't "on the woman" anymore in a lot of places. Bigly illegal.

gsganzer,

It seems you are not a deep thinker. Being prolife is pro innocent life. Criminals are NOT innocent life.

The single issue voters for abortion are freaks with forehead tattoos and pink hair and are never going to vote for anything other than a leftist candidate.

Most of the suburban moms I talk with at kids sports, etc. are pissed off about the economy and covid lock downs. I hope they stay that way.

Of course I live in a very red area.

BGG....ok...my only thing is some get it and are ridiculed....others get it and its a ok...on this forum thats the way it breaks down....not directed at you just an observation ...


copper not weak at all....just not on me to be the moral compass/conscious for women thats their job.....

booster? ....bob

You let them CHOOSE not to be vaxxed?

I bring up the hypocrisy of thinking in black and white. You're against aborting a fetus under any circumstances, because it's interfering in God's will, but you'll advocate for capital punishment, taking a life that God created? And just for the record, I don't equate the life of an unborn child with a person that chose to commit murder.

I'm not trying to argue the points of black and white, because it's very likely we'll never agree. I don't think in black and white, because I realize every decision has a framework that might define that decision.

I have no issue being very clear on my stance. Abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control, but I believe there are rare and extenuating circumstances when someone is faced with that most difficult of decisions. Rape, incest, health of the mother, viability of the fetus are all issues that carefully frame a decision that should be between a women, her family and her medical advisor. And in my belief, not all of the nuances of those decisions and discussions need to be something our government needs to be dictating and defining to satiate a political leaning.

I had not noticed that.


Some get schit....and some dont??

just depends on which club you happen to be in..lol...bob

Haha! I hadn't noticed.



I think the shot did some good for some people. A limited number anyway.



The mandates however..............oh my.

Yeah, it was an intellectually weak azz response. And you forgot the state legislatures and governors who are making abortion illegal in their states. It actually is their job.

If you think the SC abortion ruling helps the Republicans you're a idiot.

Some believed the propaganda and said “I’m going to make this choice because I think it’s best for me. “

Cool, you do you.

A rather larger portion say that, then out of the side of their mouth denigrate unjabbed. Can’t help themselves.

There is a difference, and honestly it’s not that nuanced.

I enjoyed the sporting and lively conversations tonight. Everyone have a great night!

Full day of truck shopping for my oldest tomorrow. Need a 3/4 ton to haul a 3-horse gooseneck. Budget $30K She can't keep borrowing mine!!

Good luck. 3 horse doesn’t weigh too much. Looking for a gasser?

At least he let her "decide" about the shot......

Who here made the claim they they were against abortion under any circumstances, “because it’s interfering in God’s will”…?Those situations are not only rare, they are exceedingly rare compared to the number of abortions that are performed for no other reason than as a form of birth control.

Jim ...if a person got the shot because of work family or it made them feel safer more power to them......but mandates? just got back from africa everybody I was around was vaxed ....asked why I wasn't told them alot of us dont like being told what to do or being threatened to make us comply....I told them it is an American thing....they all laughed ...they like the usa..good bunch of guys.

the shot is not the death punch that some on here think it is ...but no mandates....bob

I turns out it would have killed my mother.


Sample of one...I understand.


THAT one is good enough for me.



Killed her cousin's husband though...and put another in the ICU.

cant argue any of that....bob

Youse guys are pretty smart.


I am just a cowman!

It'll go one way or it'll go the other.

Personally, I think the revolution has already revolved. A lot of it happened when I was working nights,...so I missed most of it.

After the nukes fly it won't matter anyway.

You sounds like a leftist. Lots of emotion, failed “logic” and demanding compromise when what you really want is things your way right up to wanting to dictate to the whole state of TX what you think TX law should be.

and thats legit...I believe it has hurt or killed some people .....just not millions as some have claimed......there never was a question in my mind about getting the jab wasn't going to do it....then when they doubled down so did I....bob

At least you and I are not magnetic now.

thank god lol...bob

Succinct, and SPOT ON...

In Massinsanity and Dumpsterware your Right ..

You do know that the SC Ruling doesn’t Outlaw Abortion it leaves it up to the Individual States to Determine the Policy ..

As with the Federal SC and State SC these ruling can be overturned with new Legislation..

Communism's have a Hard Time with our Form of Governance ..

We’ll have Mid Term and Decide there ..

Does the Abortion Issue hurt Republicans yes it does but it’s not their general stance it’s their closed mouths
with one acceptation the Poltergeist Deep State
Ms. Lindsay that’s where the Real Harm to the Republicans cum’s from ..

Hee Haw another ..

I don't mind losing some fence sitters. Really don't.

I tend to agree with this being a plot by the MSM to demoralize us into staying home in November.

Just like you still can't support Trump.


I might be wrong.

Some idiots here could've benefitted from forceps into their tiny little brains.

Am not going to read all 165 posts. I call bovine droppings. The only thing that will lose these elections will be cheating at the voting booth, and only that. Period!

Some people just have to kill themselves some babies I guess.

The democrats have plenty of terrible stuff to hammer on as well. They need to run good campaigns.

It isn't a fundamental right, not ta be killed?

This

It isn't a fundamental right to control your own spawn?? Whether illegitimate, rape, incest, health of the mother or viability of the fetus due to defects??

I disagree brother.

But you are not...

As soon as R vs W came up I told my wife this will turn the tide in favor of the Dems more than most will think. Of course my hardline conservative wife told me I was full of crap. I said just watch and wait, many women make decisions based on emotion and this is emotional for most women. That didn’t go over well but it’s a fact.

The other thing that didn’t go over well at the time even thought I was joking. I told my wife the Red side would win every election if women weren’t allowed to vote. She didn’t like it but lots of women vote Dem and R v W will cause women to come out of the woodwork and vote Dem.

Even Ruth Ginsberg admitted that there was no Constitutional right to abortion. Which amendment do believe provides a US mandated Federal right to abortion?

Truth.....

Every time I tell my wife the same thing I get the "look" yet she grudgingly admits I am right....

Encouraging story.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11213243/midterm-elections-maga-trump-endorsements.html

I am counting the days when pureblood will be uber valuable.... I will make a fortune selling my blood...

A .gov issued Non-vaccination card, would be the ultimate irony, and revenge.

Beltway Republicans’ Ridiculous Abortion Politics
Federalist Radio Hour

On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Federalist Senior Editor Christopher Bedford and Federalist Culture Editor Emily Jashinsky discuss the importance of Sen. Lindsey Graham's 15-week national abortion ban bill and explain why Republicans should get better at exposing Democrats' abortion extremism.
Listen on Apple Podcasts:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/federalist-radio-hour/id983782306?i=1000579612997

Good conversation along the lines of what we have here.

Hint: the OP is echoing a Cocaine Mitch talking point.

“Control your own spawn”

Wow.

Ok how about this. “Control your own spawn”… that is, whether your children are allowed to live or die, is in your hands. Or… pants? Keep yer Dick to yourself and you’ll be fine. I know it’s hard (see what I did there?) but it works 100% of the time and no infanticide is necessary.

If we can agree on that, we can talk about the extremely exceptional instances of rape, incest, and health of the mother.

Can we agree on that?

I’m for less Gun Men , Spray n Wipes , and those God Awful Commercial Food Abomination of Names ..


Monkey Left the Oven Door Open

The SCOTUS, took it and gave it back to the States, where it belonged all along...........

WHY, Graham brings it up as a NATIONAL issue is beyond me...... after previously arguing it was a States Rights issue....

...and NOW of all times, when it doesn't have a SNOWBALLS chance of success...

LEAVE it with the States...........

JMHO

Listen to that Federalist episode; they talk about what they theorize as either the strategy behind the move, or at least a good way to use it to the advantage of those Reps with the cojones to stand for something.

They suggest that Graham is giving Rep candidates the chance to call out Dems, whose “abortion anytime anywhere for any reason” stance is far out of step with the American public. By offering this olive branch he is effectively saying, “you want to protect a woman’s ‘right to choose’ at the Federal level and we’ll do so in a way that reflects the current sensibilities of the electorate and, lest you think us draconian in the restriction, brings us in line with European standards which you’re always touting as more civilized.”

Thus they’re forced to alienate their base by settling to (GASP) limit a mothers ability to kill her children, or they can side against the general electorate by accepting Graham’s olive branch, limits included, which they really can’t do, and will therefore be shown to be the extremists they are.

Aside from my disgust over playing politics with lives of children, it seems a good strategy to me IF Reps will show the intestinal fortitude to put that ammunition to use.

And I doubt they will. Protecting the lives of unborn children is too controversial for them. They feel better talking about inflation.

What the hell has our country come to that we place economics over condemning murder?

I have not read all this crap, nor will I .

However, conservatives are laying low . Can't even get a good poll.

efw, I get all that, but we're still down to an intelligent and logical approach to thwart those that vote based on neither................

What could go wrong!

Again, JMHO...

Based upon experience I understand your skepticism with regard to Reps’ ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

I guess my bottom line is that abortion is only one example amongst many (see Virginia’s Governor’s victory) showing that the OP’s viewpoint concerning economic issues as “winners” and social issues as “losers” is just wrong. We go after Dems on their incessant degrading of our culture and people agree.

I don’t care about inflation when guns are going off around me, Molotov cocktails being tossed, and buildings burning.

But if you make clear you intend to do something about ALL of it? Well that might perk my ears…

Democraps are constantly trying to identify privileges and commodities as rights in order to further their agenda of socialism and big government. Voting is not a right, it is a privilege of citizenship and you have the responsibility of proving your citizenship in order to vote. Medical care, housing, food, cell phones, internet access and such, portrayed as rights are commodities and subject to your ability to pay for them. I think the SC made the right decision returning the abortion issue to the states. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control. Women and men have other ways to control that prior to becoming pregnant. Other than that, I dont think government should be involved at all. It is a personal decision to be made by those involved and will be answered for when you enter the next life.
There have been several articles written recently about how inaccurate the polls are because people won't answer or won't answer truthfully. Of course they put the blame on conservatives. I do think the abortion decision has complicated polling data.

1000 doctors across the USA were polled about the best way to avoid pregnancy during sex, thus lowering the abortion number's exponential rise here. They all came to the consensus that prescribing one simple aspirin might be the best way to accomplish said goal. They would prescribe sexually active females that one aspirin and instruct the patients to take one just befor sex, and instruct them to place between the knees and not let it drop...

At what age do old men start telling broads to keep their legs closed...instead of brag about how much pussy they got in high school and college?

When their peters dont work anymore.

Meh…suburban moms are the ones who are literally in tears right now over grocery bills that are up 40 percent or so. Lots of people are getting stretched and even those who aren’t, can’t really ignore inflation in something so basic as food.

Jaxson, Brayden, and Daxton ain’t gonna be hitting no homers playing travel ball if they ain’t loading up on the protein. Trust me, suburban moms are noticing this schit and they know who is to blame.

The GOP establishment does not want to win this November. Still don't get it?

Absolutely! McConnell and Graham are perfectly content being the minority party. They aren't expected to accomplish anything because they are in the minority but they can complain about what the demoncraps are doing.

That just tells us just how stupid and uninformed the average American female is.

My post above shows a way candidates who want to win could use Graham’s bill to win.

I don’t believe social issues are losers like the leadership of the party seems to think.

It’s astonishing that’s anyone could possibly give Ms. Lindsay and the Derby Donkey any cognitive prowess on this subject..

No my Friends this is a Trojan Horse filled with Defeat ..

They ain’t smart enough to enter that Arena of
Ideas ..

They can’t even talk about the Ideas their supposed to be good at like the Border, Taxes, National Debt, Energy matters..

No Ms. Lindsay is trying to kill the Party to save it from a Chance at a Good and Sound American..

These People aren’t on Our Side ..


Roll Them cuz Their going to Roll You

Anyone who thinks Graham is trying to help the GOP win in November needs to put down the crack pipe

I am still reading this thread in its entirety.

My stance on corporal punishment is, they should have made better life decisions.

Pretty simple for the GOP. Stop talking about abortion.



This 4 d chess bullschit never works which you claim Graham is doing. Keep the message simple and clear. Americans are generally stupid and will vote based on the last thing they hear

It's a state issue.

Economy , crime, immigration, education

I tend to think this way also, which is why I said, “… or at least a good way to use it to the advantage of those Reps with the cojones to stand for something.”




Education (indoctrination), borders, crime, life, economy… all aspects of a healthy and vibrant culture that resonate with everyone even if they disagree on so-called “choice”.

The way I read it is the OP was talking about winning the election if you followed all he said.

I also read you are an idiot who can't follow a lame mule.

I never said there was a constitutional right to abortion. I think the SC did the right thing by putting it back to the states to decide. There's nothing "constitutional" about it.

However, the original question was if the SC's decision would blunt the "Red Wave". I believe it will, but only because it's now ripped this issue wide open and the nut job extremes of each party are now using it to energize "single issue" voters. Based on the slightly larger general population sentiment that abortion should be a decision between a woman, her doctor and her family, (with a reasonable and compassionate set of restrictions for those born and unborn). Politics should stay out of it.

I believe it will galvanize a slight rise in votes against the Republicans. It doesn't help that many of the conservative states have had "trigger laws" based on a reversal of the SC's original ruling.

I was all on board with the TX abortion restrictions prior to the latest changes. The latest changes are knocking on the door of a defacto ban and don't allow a woman, her doctor and her family to make an informed decision in a medically reasonable window of time.

I don't know why I keep letting myself get sucked into this quagmire of a topic but it's probably because I feel the need to stand up for my two daughters.

It's real simple to say "keep your willie in your pants". While I certainly don't believe abortion should be a form of birth control, here's some facts on birth control and you might understand it's not just "extreme pregnancies". You can religiously practice birth control (see what I did there?), but birth control, in it's most popular forms, has from a 6% to 28% failure rate resulting in pregnancies over the course of use in a year. Effectiveness of Birth Control I'll help you with the math, that's 6- 28 instances of pregnancy per 100 people using the most popular forms of birth control.

Most of us believe in a reasonable set of "medically guided" rules around abortion that take into account compassion for those born and unborn. The previously agreed upon viability of life at 15-16 weeks was a medically agreed upon term. The latest TX ruling of 6 weeks IMO and of the medical community is not, and was meant as a defacto ban on abortion.

I call BS on that statistic. It sounds like a statistic that the pro abortion crowd would put out. I’ve had 100% unplanned pregnancies with the woman that I have been with just by pulling out. If birth control had a failure rate any where near as high as you suggest nearly every woman in America would have 3-6 unplanned children over a lifetime plus the planned ones.

As a man if I get a woman pregnant I live with the child support, moral obligations of being a father, and the potential strain and court/friend of court and baby mama drama. I don’t get to chooses a compassionate abortion because it’s something that I’d rather not deal with.

More "votes" came in than ever before, in the last inselection.

Focus on the "votes", not the voters, if ya wanna have a chance.

So you don’t think abortion should be used as birth control except when birth control fails and then it’s ok… and that’s standing up for your daughters?

A) all my kids… planned & unplanned… are precious to me. The sacrifices I’ve made for them made me a better person and that is true of everyone I’ve known. If a person is so selfish that they just gotta get off with no “danger” of an unwanted pregnancy, they’d do the world a favor getting chemically castrated

B) impulse control is difficult… but killing children cuz you’re too horny? Seriously?

C) up until this “right” to kill children was invented out of thin air, a most basic premise of western Justice was the fact that it is inherently wrong to hold the child responsible for the sins of his/her parents

D) the underlying “right” behind the sexual revolution, that we ought to be able to use technology to deliver us from consequences that are built into nature itself is the root of all of our societal ills today.

We aren’t able, never have been able, and never will be able to thwart nature that way and the hope or belief that we will leaves us envious, entitled, and empty.

With respect,

That’s a load of horseshît. Any chick that wants to whore around and not get pregnant can do it pretty easily. And the failure stats on an iud or other measures sure as hell aren’t 28%


Im speaking from the position of the father of a teenage girl, and the brother of 2 sisters. Kids do stupid shît. Regardless what values you instill in them. Sometimes actions result in consequences that they thought were statistically unlikely.

Well said

I suspect your problem is low sperm count. You should get it checked.

I'm just a man of facts, those statistics match up with more I researched from many, many sources. It's a fact. Inconvenient and crappy, but we sometimes have unwanted pregnancies. I here many on here lament about a certain ethnicity wishing we'd grant more abortions. That isn't right either.

I'm glad your wife hasn't had any. Really glad. But at what point is a pregnancy a child? I don't buy the point of conception.

No, the point of abortion control and the agreed upon laws is to decide when a life is a life and where that line is drawn. If you think it begins upon conception, the medical reality says otherwise. That's why we pass laws that find that common ground we can all agree upon. That's why we negotiate with facts and science that guide us. It doesn't please all of us, but science never does.

Whoa now! I never had a problem producing children when I haven’t pulled out!

A 28% failure rate for birth control is horse chit! The size of the typical family should be enough to prove that. How many children do you have? With a 28% failure rate you should have a whole slew of children unless your wife or gf was running to the abortion clinic frequently.

You seem bitter and are hiding behind your daughters and fake stats.

Please cite specific studies that support the claimed objectivity of your arbitrary number.

The fact is science can’t even define life, much less pinpoint when it begins. If human life has value that transcends the conveniences of those in power over it, then it seems to me to be worth taking extra care.

This is a significant measure of a society and it’s members; to what extent it supports and encourages sacrifice now in the best interest of posterity.

We have fallen far, far short and the further we stray from that guiding principle the worse things get. You can see it right before your eyes in all of our affairs.

So you guys seem to be inferring, that the right for sexual irresponsibility is more important to the American public,
than the nation being ran into the ground by the liberal left in their effort to destroy and rewrite the very fabric and foundation of our nation?

This entire country is lost, if that is the top burning issue on the minds of the American public. Sexual irresponsibility holds precedence over all other issues concerning the country.

We truly live in a nation of idiots...

Right on, but you have to understand we live in a nation full of brainwashed idiots sad but true.

Yeah exactly.

Our appetites rule us in all areas of the culture. Sexual obsession is just a microcosm of the broader cultural rot.

The republic crumbles while we spend our time and resources getting our rocks off.

If a majority of our nation supports the killing of our most vulnerable then we deserve the terrible leadership of the left and the hard times it will bring upon us. It'll have to get much worse before it gets better. Most Americans are idiots enjoying the comfort the sacrifices of those before us offer them. It will take another great depression to wake most people up.

Bb

Yet the vast majority will never admit they have been part of the downfall. I can and I will, and I claim my responsibility.

There IS a way out...but owning responsibility has to happen first. But that ain't happening and the beat goes on.