I have been in my own self-appointed hiatus since Spring Break when Pard discovered ChatGpT and Lesbian Preachers. That crazy fantasy crap was better than what has been going on during the last couple of weeks with people bringing hate on eachother. There are all kind of crazy things happening right and and people just want to fight. You could get nearly everybody on this forum with the exception of Paddler and Goosey and we probably would all get along ok. There is a feller in SC who doesn't like Trump but he hates Biden more. So who or what mfer is pizzing in everybody's cornflakes?
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
There are plenty of threads to choose from. Yes, some degrade into bickering. But you can always keep scrolling. No need to get caught up in it if you don’t have anything to say.
I have been in my own self-appointed hiatus since Spring Break when Pard discovered ChatGpT and Lesbian Preachers. That crazy fantasy crap was better than what has been going on during the last couple of weeks with people bringing hate on eachother. There are all kind of crazy things happening right and and people just want to fight. You could get nearly everybody on this forum with the exception of Paddler and Goosey and we probably would all get along ok. There is a feller in SC who doesn't like Trump but he hates Biden more. So who or what mfer is pizzing in everybody's cornflakes?
Well said. The personal attacks on some members are just ridiculously over the top. Bitchfest is exactly what it is.
There's a core group that you can count on to douche up about any thread. They are small people in one way or another. It's a cry for attention and relevance. Their inadequacies fuel their need to try to assert some form of superiority. This is all they are.
358 Winchester shooting 7 grains of 2400 powder and a 124 gr 9mm HP bullet. Small game load for carrying while big game hunting. 30 yard target. Target was shot with a 16" Savage 99 carbine.
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
We should all be on the same team. This place is sounding like the war between the Trump loyalists and the RINO's of the Mitch McConnell team. All it's doing is letting the pro trans and socialists in the back door.
United we stand and divided we fall. We are definitely divided.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
358 Winchester shooting 7 grains of 2400 powder and a 124 gr 9mm HP bullet. Small game load for carrying while big game hunting. 30 yard target. Target was shot with a 16" Savage 99 carbine.
That looks like a worthwhile endeavor... years ago I built a custom 338 mag for elk hunting. I acquired a Lee 230gr mold and worked up a load that was point of aim at 25 yds. 10 grains of unique pushing the bullet to 850 fps was the secret combo. The purpose was to bag grouse while elk hunting. It worked really well
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
It sure seems that way. Divide and conquer---down to the man.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
By no possible description is there a lack of moderation on this site. The Webmaster graciously allows everyone the right to be judged by their peers.
There could be no fairer form of moderation, the Fire is self regulated.
Well put, and in what world is it not a fools errand to believe that a "moderator" is always going to be on your side....?
Fair question.
I have been on sites that have given absolute pinheads absolute authority. Not all moderators are like that but once you get one that is, it's like living under a dictator who ruins a country. I'll take free speech over that. You may have to learn to live with it to enjoy it, but that's what free men do.
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
So this really is a bitch thread but with nice words.......
We need to hold a Campfire Rendezvous. People are much less bold when they're within striking distance. I'd pay money to see CashisQueen and Ballz debate in person.
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
So this really is a bitch thread but with nice words.......
It's merely the one's that can't weather the storm that 'cry foul'.
Wonder why?
It's like I've explained before, moderation is normal and healthy in everyday life.
Think of it in tribal terms. Elders lead youngsters. Youngsters don't lead elders. Societal order is respected and maintained by this one simple mantra, in it's most simplistic tribal terms, by the simplest form of respect based only on age.
Our society was maintained by the family unit and respect for the rule law, both of which have broken down to the point that a complete lack of respect (due to no consequences, I.E. a lack of an authoritarian figure in the household, or internet forum) and a lack of self-restraint.
It's an all-out, winner-take-all mentality that ignores healthy checks and balances provided by some form of sustainable authority figure.
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't be upset to have a moderator maintain civility, while allowing full vent of the exchange of information and ideas. I'm not sure why posters like JeffA are so intent on being able to belittle and cut down someone on the internet. Why is that such a big deal?
Are you afraid your position can't be defended on it's merits, therefore name-calling is required to shut down your opposition? I'm not talking about the censorship of ideas as seen on some "moderated" forums. I'm talking about the full exchange of ideas while maintaining civility, that's it. Seems pretty simple to me.
I would never have expected to sit at the dinner table as a child and bad mouth my mother without my father moderating me into next week. I'd be surprised if someone's household did allow it, and I would call it unhealthy.
Why are you afraid to be required to be civil in your internet exchanges? Can't your ideas stand on their own w/o insults?
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
People would still be able to make an azz of themselves with a moderated forum.
You would still be able to skip over anything you don't want to read.
Not sure how any form of moderation would change your examples.
What's happening on the 24 Hour Campfire is the same as what we're seeing where the rule of law is ignored in American cities. A breakdown of an authority that maintains civility leads to chaos and violence, or more accurately, a concentration of nefarious players intent not on the maintenance or betterment of the venue, but the exercise of their own form of totalitarian control, under the guise of "freedom".
I would suggest that freedom for the individual truly exists only in the absence of other people. Even then there are external limitations, for example the environment. One wouldn't run naked through Alaska in winter w/o dying of exposure, so even freedom in it's purest form is moderated.
When other people are included, at the minimum there must be some form of self-control. As humans have shown for millennia, that is never enough. Barring self-restraint, external restraint of some form is required to maintain order.
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
People would still be able to make an azz of themselves with a moderated forum.
You would still be able to skip over anything you don't want to read.
Not sure how any form of moderation would change your examples.
Get on heavily moderated forums.
Little to no BS.
I don't mind it as I know how to move along if I see something I don't like. I only use ignore for a few azzhats in the classifieds.
If you want to maintain freedom, exercise self-restraint, or eventually, some form of external restraint will need to be applied to prevent total anarchy and chaos.
If you want total freedom to act out, don't expect stellar results.
I've not tried another forum, but it seems like the guys that have come back here and tell how awful it was.
I'd bet dollars to donuts it wasn't the moderation per se that was oppressive, but the agenda of the moderator. Moderation like that is no more than it's own brand totalitarianism. Maybe it's so prevalent on other forums for the reasons I mentioned, a lack of self-restraint, but on the part of the moderator.
Like Paul Harvey used to say, "Self-governance won't work without self-discipline".
I've not tried another forum, but it seems like the guys that have come back here and tell how awful it was.
I'd bet dollars to donuts it wasn't the moderation per se that was oppressive, but the agenda of the moderator. Moderation like that is no more than it's own brand totalitarianism. Maybe it's so prevalent on other forums for the reasons I mentioned, a lack of self-restraint, but on the part of the moderator.
Like Paul Harvey used to say, "Self-governance won't work without self-discipline".
He was right.
Invariably that's the kind of moderation you're going to get before all's said and done.
Maybe "self discipline" encompasses more than what you expect of others, Roy. You have over 54,000 posts and you should know by now what brings negative responses.
It sounds like Hunttalk is a better choice for you.
I know, I see, exactly what you are doing with your comment. I have told you before, and I'll tell you again, you need to choose whether to play to the crowd or be objective and use your head.
You are simply playing to the crowd so I'll not consider your comment to be of any value to the conversation. When you want to get serious, I'd listen.
Invariably that's the kind of moderation you're going to get before all's said and done.
Maybe "self discipline" encompasses more than what you expect of others, Roy. You have over 54,000 posts and you should know by now what brings negative responses.
Just tryin to help, man.
I'm human, I get tired of the garbage and lash out. Sometimes I poke the bear myself.
Moderation would only help all of us to be more civil to one another, myself included.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
And the grifting Marxists are definitely given free 1A.
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
People would still be able to make an azz of themselves with a moderated forum.
You would still be able to skip over anything you don't want to read.
Not sure how any form of moderation would change your examples.
You are way off base and I will tell you why... allowing other people to moderate you is the problem... you are an adult moderate yourself.. have the discipline to skip over things you don't like.
Whenever you give others the "moderation" power it will be abused every time!!!
It sounds like Hunttalk is a better choice for you.
I know, I see, exactly what you are doing with your comment. I have told you before, and I'll tell you again, you need to choose whether to play to the crowd or be objective and use your head.
You are simply playing to the crowd so I'll not consider your comment to be of any value to the conversation. When you want to get serious, I'd listen.
Simply an observation Roy, I want you to be happy. Don't freak out.
Invariably that's the kind of moderation you're going to get before all's said and done.
Maybe "self discipline" encompasses more than what you expect of others, Roy. You have over 54,000 posts and you should know by now what brings negative responses.
Just tryin to help, man.
I'm human, I get tired of the garbage and lash out. Sometimes I poke the bear myself.
Moderation would only help all of us to be more civil to one another, myself included.
The best, most even-handed moderation can only go so far, Roy. You can still be castigated, shunned and ostracized. Would being shunned, castigated and ostracized nicely suit your sensibilities better?
Moderate yourself and things will go better for you.
We need to hold a Campfire Rendezvous. People are much less bold when they're within striking distance. I'd pay money to see CashisQueen and Ballz debate in person.
I'll bring the keg!
I saw a good discussion on this recently, if I can find it I'll post it. It presented the hypothesis that when you know someone personally and can observe their actions, you judge them on their actions.
On line, we don't see the persons actions so we judge them based on their ideas. Add in typical status seeking behaviors and you get the current shìtshow we're experiencing.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
I have been in my own self-appointed hiatus since Spring Break when Pard discovered ChatGpT and Lesbian Preachers. That crazy fantasy crap was better than what has been going on during the last couple of weeks with people bringing hate on eachother. There are all kind of crazy things happening right and and people just want to fight. You could get nearly everybody on this forum with the exception of Paddler and Goosey and we probably would all get along ok. There is a feller in SC who doesn't like Trump but he hates Biden more. So who or what mfer is pizzing in everybody's cornflakes?
You know, now that we're on page 2, maybe that question deserves some attention.
I think the answer may be that we are under a tremendous amount of unrelenting stress due to the ongoing BS happening in our world. I think it may well be by design, too.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
Fubar,
Take my last quote about how people today consume media, and how the purpose of media in no longer to inform but just confirm your existing beliefs, then ask yourself, how much of what people think they know about a complex subject such as Covid is really true?
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
I have been in my own self-appointed hiatus since Spring Break when Pard discovered ChatGpT and Lesbian Preachers. That crazy fantasy crap was better than what has been going on during the last couple of weeks with people bringing hate on eachother. There are all kind of crazy things happening right and and people just want to fight. You could get nearly everybody on this forum with the exception of Paddler and Goosey and we probably would all get along ok. There is a feller in SC who doesn't like Trump but he hates Biden more. So who or what mfer is pizzing in everybody's cornflakes?
You know, now that we're on page 2, maybe that question deserves some attention.
I think the answer may be that we are under a tremendous amount of unrelenting stress due to the ongoing BS happening in our world. I think it may well be by design, too.
Nah....it's that there are two kinds of people.
Those who run to a safe space because they can't handle reality and those that like watching monster trucks from the beer garden after a long day.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Years ago Rush used to play a montage of press clips... remember when the press claimed GWB had no gravitas? and yes they all used the exact same phrase... they do it over and over... so tell me they aren't controlled and told what to say.... How old are you? you seem incredibly out of touch and incapable of learning... old dog new trick thing going on with you"
The best, most even-handed moderation can only go so far, Roy. You can still be castigated, shunned and ostracized. Would being shunned, castigated and ostracized nicely suit your sensibilities better?
Moderate yourself and things will go better for you.
Now for the most part, would you agree that this conversation has been civil, with the free flow of back and forth information from varied viewpoints? Nobody called anyone a cu nt, and civility has been maintained, while there may some disagreement.
This is because of a dose of self-control on the part of the participants. In the absence of that self-control, the discussion would quickly devolve into name calling and worse, like it does here all the time.
I prefer the civil discourse, even if we disagree. If we ALL practiced a little more self-control, not just the ones the nasty crowd wants to silence, which as I said is nothing more than their own brand of totalitarianism under the guise of "freedom", things could go much smoother around here.
History has shown though that man lacks self-control ultimately, and no matter what form of governance is instituted, everything goes to schit eventually. So maybe all this talk is a lost cause and we should just spear each other until we're all dead.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Years ago Rush used to play a montage of press clips... remember when the press claimed GWB had no gravitas? and yes they all used the exact same phrase... they do it over and over... so tell me they aren't controlled and told what to say.... How old are you? you seem incredibly out of touch and incapable of learning... old dog new trick thing going on with you"
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
Fubar,
Take my last quote about how people today consume media, and how the purpose of media in no longer to inform but just confirm your existing beliefs, then ask yourself, how much of what people think they know about a complex subject such as Covid is really true?
Wrong again... people like Rush , Tucker etc... put in words what we are thinking and we are drawn to that. The MSM tells their viewers what to think... it's propaganda, state controlled propaganda
Whenever you give others the "moderation" power it will be abused every time!!!
Absolutely. I don’t understand the mentality of those who would agree to give other people control of what they say or think. One of the principles on which our nation was founded is the freedom of speech.
That looks like a worthwhile endeavor... years ago I built a custom 338 mag for elk hunting. I acquired a Lee 230gr mold and worked up a load that was point of aim at 25 yds. 10 grains of unique pushing the bullet to 850 fps was the secret combo. The purpose was to bag grouse while elk hunting. It worked really well
It is indeed, a lot of fun making one rifle serve multiple tasks.
We've been forcefed the idea that we are always needing another firearm for so long that most of us have lost the ability to be creative in our shooting.
Whenever you give others the "moderation" power it will be abused every time!!!
Absolutely. I don’t understand the mentality of those who would agree to give other people control of what they say or think. One of the principles on which our nation was founded is the freedom of speech.
Society is so biased and corrupted now few would possess the purity of intent to be a fair moderator. It's probably a pipe dream to think otherwise.
Whenever you give others the "moderation" power it will be abused every time!!!
Absolutely. I don’t understand the mentality of those who would agree to give other people control of what they say or think. One of the principles on which our nation was founded is the freedom of speech.
Society is so biased and corrupted now few would possess the purity of intent to be a fair moderator. It's probably a pipe dream to think otherwise.
This is correct..... I kinda like the wild west nature of things around here...
Moderation is for those that can't handle confrontation. Moderation is also the first step to demise. Moderate this forum, and members will go elsewhere! I've noticed that some high post, count members have removed themselves as of lately. I believe it's because they finally realized, I'm just one of many, and have no actual influence, just input. That doesn't sit well with narcissists! But then I could be out in left field on this subject. Like most my lifetime batting average is well under 500!
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
I don't think your bold statement is correct. The new roll (actually, it's been their roll for a long time, they're just more brazen now) of the press is to indoctrinate. People just gravitate to the side that reinforces their beliefs.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Years ago Rush used to play a montage of press clips... remember when the press claimed GWB had no gravitas? and yes they all used the exact same phrase... they do it over and over... so tell me they aren't controlled and told what to say.... How old are you? you seem incredibly out of touch and incapable of learning... old dog new trick thing going on with you"
They're not controlled, they're lazy. What's easier, writing an original story, or copying from the AP? As staff for the news rooms get cut but the deadlines stay the same, the incentives are for less original writing and more cut and paste. Today "original reporting" is cutting and pasting from Twitter.
Just as importantly, most "journalist" are cowards. If you write something original at it ruffles some feathers, or flops, that's your fault. Copy from the AP, and you're just part of the crowd.
Same effect but with no grand conspiracy's required.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
By no possible description is there a lack of moderation on this site. The Webmaster graciously allows everyone the right to be judged by their peers.
There could be no fairer form of moderation, the Fire is self regulated.
Disorder and a lack of authoritarian presence of any kind attracts and concentrates abusers that pack up with like-minded abusers that induce their brand of authoritarian rule under the guise of "freedom of speech". The more meek are run over roughshod by the bold because there is no barrier in place to stop them.
There must always be some form of restraint, either self-imposed or externally applied, because men by nature are corrupt.
Moderation is for those that can't handle confrontation. Moderation is also the first step to demise. Moderate this forum, and members will go elsewhere! I've noticed that some high post, count members have removed themselves as of lately. I believe it's because they finally realized, I'm just one of many, and have no actual influence, just input. That doesn't sit well with narcissists! But then I could be out in left field on this subject. Like most my lifetime batting average is well under 500!
When we got the internet it was like a kid getting a board game for Christmas that didn't have the rules included. We're making it up as we go.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Years ago Rush used to play a montage of press clips... remember when the press claimed GWB had no gravitas? and yes they all used the exact same phrase... they do it over and over... so tell me they aren't controlled and told what to say.... How old are you? you seem incredibly out of touch and incapable of learning... old dog new trick thing going on with you"
They're not controlled, they're lazy. What's easier, writing an original story, or copying from the AP? As staff for the news rooms get cut but the deadlines stay the same, the incentives are for less original writing and more cut and paste. Today "original reporting" is cutting and pasting from Twitter.
Just as importantly, most "journalist" are cowards. If you write something original at it ruffles some feathers, or flops, that's your fault. Copy from the AP, and you're just part of the crowd.
Same effect but with no grand conspiracy's required.
Tucker carlson recent departure from Fox proves you wrong... he was saying things management didn't like ... poof gone, money be damned
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
I don't think your bold statement is correct. The new roll (actually, it's been their roll for a long time, they're just more brazen now) of the press is to indoctrinate. People just gravitate to the side that reinforces their beliefs.
Precisely correct.
Back in the days of the exploding gas tanks in square-body GM pickups, J. Michael Gartner (who was running NBC News, I believe) was quoted, saying something to the effect that the news media's job was not to report on events, but rather to form public opinion.
I wish I could find that on the web, but I have looked many times. If it ever was on the net it has been scrubbed. Pure coincidence, huh?
Here is the deal Antelope Sniper, I have friends that are triple tin foil nutters. We often have conversation regarding current issues. I tell them I don't believe in conspiracy theories... I do believe in shared ideology that leads to the same results... But I'll be damned time proves them right a very large percentage of the time...
Moderation is for those that can't handle confrontation.
The countries founders worked really hard to give all men as much equality and opportunity to be free from oppressions as the next guy. The meek were sought to be protected from the bold. The concept that the weak have to fight the strong in order to secure their rights was very contrary to the way the charter of this country was written.
This country was literally founded to protect all, even the minority, from the majority rule by giving all inalienable rights. Suggesting the weak should have to fight the strong to be represented is contrary to the very fiber of our country.
The loudest, the rudest, the meanest, the boldest, the baddest, the quickest, the wittiest, the smartest, the fastest, the most compelling, the most appealing, the most convincing, the most persuasive, none of them could take the right from the lesser equipped.
What happens without self-restraint or moderation is the lording over by the strongest. What we have at the 24 Hour Campfire is a consortium of a certain type that exerts control and lacks self-restraint due to a lack of external authority.
Moderation is for those that can't handle confrontation.
The countries founders worked really hard to give all men as much equality and opportunity to be free from oppressions as the next guy. The meek were sought to be protected from the bold. The concept that the weak have to fight the strong in order to secure their rights was very contrary to the way the charter of this country was written.
This country was literally founded to protect all, even the minority, from the majority rule by giving all inalienable rights. Suggesting the weak should have to fight the strong to be represented is contrary to the very fiber of our country.
The loudest, the rudest, the meanest, the boldest, the baddest, the quickest, the wittiest, the smartest, the fastest, the most compelling, the most appealing, the most convincing, the most persuasive, none of them could take the right from the lesser equipped.
What happens without self-restraint or moderation is the lording over by the strongest. What we have at the 24 Hour Campfire is a consortium of a certain type that exerts control and lacks self-restraint due to a lack of external authority.
Wrong headed thinking again. We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
Moderation is for those that can't handle confrontation.
The countries founders worked really hard to give all men as much equality and opportunity to be free from oppressions as the next guy. The meek were sought to be protected from the bold. The concept that the weak have to fight the strong in order to secure their rights was very contrary to the way the charter of this country was written.
This country was literally founded to protect all, even the minority, from the majority rule by giving all inalienable rights. Suggesting the weak should have to fight the strong to be represented is contrary to the very fiber of our country.
The loudest, the rudest, the meanest, the boldest, the baddest, the quickest, the wittiest, the smartest, the fastest, the most compelling, the most appealing, the most convincing, the most persuasive, none of them could take the right from the lesser equipped.
What happens without self-restraint or moderation is the lording over by the strongest. What we have at the 24 Hour Campfire is a consortium of a certain type that exerts control and lacks self-restraint due to a lack of external authority.
The press is absolutely controlled. They all report the same thing using the same slant and repeating the same lines. The press is the propaganda arm of the democrat party which is controlled by NWO participants. By trying to avoid conspiracy theories you overlook things that are apparent.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
Fubar,
Take my last quote about how people today consume media, and how the purpose of media in no longer to inform but just confirm your existing beliefs, then ask yourself, how much of what people think they know about a complex subject such as Covid is really true?
Wrong again... people like Rush , Tucker etc... put in words what we are thinking and we are drawn to that. The MSM tells their viewers what to think... it's propaganda, state controlled propaganda
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red meat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Did you ever wonder why Tictoc's so popular? Since the video's are very short, they get a lot of quick iterations for algo to determine what you like and don't like, so they can very quickly get to a point where they only feed you what you want to see and feed what ever biases you already have. From a profit perspective to them, it doesn't matter what side of the Covid debate you're on, that's the only side of the debate you'll see so yo continue to give them clicks.
Of course this feedback is two ways. Content creators post video's and see what get the most clicks, and begin doing more of that. Often they don't even believe what they post, but since that's what their audience wants, that what they post, until their online persona no longer aligns with their real self. The name of this phenomena is "Audience Capture" and it's turning out to be a real issue in online spaces, and Politics.
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
Fubar,
Take my last quote about how people today consume media, and how the purpose of media in no longer to inform but just confirm your existing beliefs, then ask yourself, how much of what people think they know about a complex subject such as Covid is really true?
Wrong again... people like Rush , Tucker etc... put in words what we are thinking and we are drawn to that. The MSM tells their viewers what to think... it's propaganda, state controlled propaganda
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red meat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Did you ever wonder why Tictoc's so popular? Since the video's are very short, they get a lot of quick iterations for algo to determine what you like and don't like, so they can very quickly get to a point where they only feed you what you want to see and feed what ever biases you already have. From a profit perspective to them, it doesn't matter what side of the Covid debate you're on, that's the only side of the debate you'll see so yo continue to give them clicks.
Of course this feedback is two ways. Content creators post video's and see what get the most clicks, and begin doing more of that. Often they don't even believe what they post, but since that's what their audience wants, that what they post, until their online persona no longer aligns with their real self. The name of this phenomena is "Audience Capture" and it's turning out to be a real issue in online spaces, and Politics.
The MSM could give a rats azz about audience numbers and profit... Content creators are the wild west... you better learn critical thinking skills pronto!
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
Should we make Bigstick or JeffO our dad here at the campfire conversation table? lol I vote Flave... that would be awesome, no?
The press is absolutely controlled. They all report the same thing using the same slant and repeating the same lines. The press is the propaganda arm of the democrat party which is controlled by NWO participants. By trying to avoid conspiracy theories you overlook things that are apparent.
Nope. By and large, they're just stupid, lazy cowards playing to the whims of their audiences. If anything with "journalist" getting instant feed back on their stories through clicks, watch time, comments etc., it's the audiences influencing the content creators not the other way around.
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
Should we make Bigstick or JeffO our dad here at the campfire conversation table? lol I vote Flave... that would be awesome, no?
Caption Flave's too busy saving the world to worry about the group of rag-tag degenerates.
Moderate this forum, and members will go elsewhere!
You could write your dissertation on why that is, but one type of member would leave FOR CERTAIN, and that is the abusive poster seeking totalitarianism through intimidation and numbers.
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
Should we make Bigstick or JeffO our dad here at the campfire conversation table? lol I vote Flave... that would be awesome, no?
Caption Flave's too busy saving the world to worry about the group of rag-tag degenerates.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
Speaking of troll-bots bent on spreading chaos and dissent, look who showed up.
What happens without self-restraint or moderation is the lording over by the strongest.
What happens with self moderation is this..
Originally Posted by JeffA
Which one of you proud Campfire heros is going to step up and claim the fame for red flagging Cash?
Originally Posted by Fireball2 Since a few guys are intent on pinning this on me, why don't we just quit beating around the bush and call this what it is, which is a bunch of guys that like flave that are pissed I handed his ass to him and are still crying about it. There's a bunch of history with these same guys then that are here now on this cash fiasco. Leonard is a tool and doesn't know when to quit running his piehole so I dropped a bomb on him. If you geniuses will remember when he was feverishly shoveling schit a mile high on me I told him I'd show him all the grace possible because of what he'd been through losing his son. I genuinely felt terrible for the guy, even not knowing him. I mean come on, who couldn't sympathize with him? I repeatedly told him this.
Remember me saying communists don't care about your peaceful protests? He was involved in one in Va and was damn proud of it so it stuck in his craw wrong. My point was always communists don't care about any peaceful protestors or their demands. Communists don't care, period. Get it? That has been proven right since then and forever.
But he couldn't STFU and kept on it. He didn't seem able to connect the dots that I was intentionally ignoring his insults for his benefit, until I didn't anymore. Well, boohoo, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That's on him, not me. I tried to cut him all the slack in the world but he lacked the ability to grasp the situation. He can't help himself, running his trap non-stop for months while I held my tongue. Guess what, stupid schit has consequences.
Now cash is a damn smart guy most of the time, but he made a mistake with his delivery guy thread and everybody was breaking his ass over it. That had nothing to do with me, that was all him and everyone else. You all drew your own conclusions, most of you figuring out what I did a long time ago. Cash ain't right in the head. He's got something else going on there that's not on the surface and all what it seems. It's not my job to figure it out, just to be aware of it, and I was, and now all of you are.
Originally Posted by JeffA
It's merely the one's that can't weather the storm that 'cry foul'.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
Speaking of troll-bots bent on spreading chaos and dissent, look who showed up.
Displaying your post in Quotes is spreading chaos & dissent?
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
Speaking of troll-bots bent on spreading chaos and dissent, look who showed up.
Displaying your post in Quotes is spreading chaos & dissent?
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
Should we make Bigstick or JeffO our dad here at the campfire conversation table? lol I vote Flave... that would be awesome, no?
Caption Flave's too busy saving the world to worry about the group of rag-tag degenerates.
Burns says he ran him out of Dodge....
The only way I see that as a possibility is if he doxxed Flave to his employer, and if that happened it would be the biggest Shìtbag move in the history of The Fire.
To me it seems more likely Flave just got tired of this crap or he's taking care of some kind of important business, and Burns is just full of himself. Regardless, I wish Flave the best.
I think the answer may be that we are under a tremendous amount of unrelenting stress due to the ongoing BS happening in our world. I think it may well be by design, too.
Sometimes I think like that. Like this is some special point in time that is for reasons X/Y/Z so much harder than other times in human history. But then I think, well, there aren't crosses along the road leading into Washington DC hanging with crucified christians. And the emperor isn't throwing people into a den of hungry lions for sport and entertainment. Or the government isn't going door to door dragging people into the street to shoot them in front of their families.
Truth is, we have it so damn good we don't even realize it.
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
Speaking of troll-bots bent on spreading chaos and dissent, look who showed up.
Displaying your post in Quotes is spreading chaos & dissent?
That's his intent, but I think his choice of post to quote, one where I'm advocating for the use of the scientific method, is pretty funny choice considering his intent.
What happens without self-restraint or moderation is the lording over by the strongest.
What happens with self moderation is this..
Originally Posted by JeffA
Which one of you proud Campfire heros is going to step up and claim the fame for red flagging Cash?
Originally Posted by Fireball2 Since a few guys are intent on pinning this on me, why don't we just quit beating around the bush and call this what it is, which is a bunch of guys that like flave that are pissed I handed his ass to him and are still crying about it. There's a bunch of history with these same guys then that are here now on this cash fiasco. Leonard is a tool and doesn't know when to quit running his piehole so I dropped a bomb on him. If you geniuses will remember when he was feverishly shoveling schit a mile high on me I told him I'd show him all the grace possible because of what he'd been through losing his son. I genuinely felt terrible for the guy, even not knowing him. I mean come on, who couldn't sympathize with him? I repeatedly told him this.
Remember me saying communists don't care about your peaceful protests? He was involved in one in Va and was damn proud of it so it stuck in his craw wrong. My point was always communists don't care about any peaceful protestors or their demands. Communists don't care, period. Get it? That has been proven right since then and forever.
But he couldn't STFU and kept on it. He didn't seem able to connect the dots that I was intentionally ignoring his insults for his benefit, until I didn't anymore. Well, boohoo, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That's on him, not me. I tried to cut him all the slack in the world but he lacked the ability to grasp the situation. He can't help himself, running his trap non-stop for months while I held my tongue. Guess what, stupid schit has consequences.
Now cash is a damn smart guy most of the time, but he made a mistake with his delivery guy thread and everybody was breaking his ass over it. That had nothing to do with me, that was all him and everyone else. You all drew your own conclusions, most of you figuring out what I did a long time ago. Cash ain't right in the head. He's got something else going on there that's not on the surface and all what it seems. It's not my job to figure it out, just to be aware of it, and I was, and now all of you are.
Originally Posted by JeffA
It's merely the one's that can't weather the storm that 'cry foul'.
Wonder why?
The bomb I'm talking about is making the comment about his son. Not about contacting the sheriff.
Actually Tucker was drawing more and more democratic viewers from CNN and MSNBC and had better ratings than them with their own viewers abandoning them
so there's another theory of yours that is wrong again
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
We are a nation of laws not men. The law levels the playing field... along with Samuel Colt!
I already said that earlier. Laws, authority, external restraint. Without it, there is chaos. Like what we see here. No self-restraint, no "law".
We may be a nation of laws, or we used to be, but we certainly are not a forum of laws.
The arena of ideas don't need laws... that would violate the 1st amendment
"Laws" is used in the context of authority, structure, etc. Like the example of your dad being the law at the dinner table if you mouth off to your mom.
Should we make Bigstick or JeffO our dad here at the campfire conversation table? lol I vote Flave... that would be awesome, no?
Caption Flave's too busy saving the world to worry about the group of rag-tag degenerates.
Burns says he ran him out of Dodge....
The only way I see that as a possibility is if he doxxed Flave to his employer, and if that happened it would be the biggest Shìtbag move in the history of The Fire.
To me it seems more likely Flave just got tired of this crap or he's taking care of some kind of important business, and Burns is just full of himself. Regardless, I wish Flave the best.
I have no inside info as to the why of it all.... I do know here on the open forums Burns recently made threats of libel lawsuits.. collecting I.P addresses etc...
Im using your own words to show what a moron you are. You're not smarter than everyone else, in fact your own words would demonstrate you would be in the bottom ten per cent in the IQ bell curve. You dont even know what the "scientific method" is. There obviously was no need for further research on ivermectin, hydroxy, Vit D, zinc, steroids to treat a cold virus and the resulting cytokine storm from Covid because there is over 2 decades of evidence using these protocols to effectively treat tens and tens of millions of people around the world using very safe affective cheap protocols.
Your special mrna vax went through zero research and has proven to be very harmful
I'll keep posting your own words to demonstrate what a fraud you really are. You can call me a bot or whatever
BTW post pics of all of the antelope you "sniped" the past five years Mr "antelope sniper" .
You probably don't even hunt lol
Colorado clown world
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
Is it by design, or is it "journalism" trying to maximize clicks, and therefore profit in the age of "Post Jouranlism"
Post Journalism:
The press lost it's monopoly on news when the internet democratized information. To save it's business model it pivoted from journalism to tribalism. The new roll of The Press is not to inform it's readers but to confirm what they already believe.
The discussion of this begins as 46 minutes:
Remember when you pushed the untested mrna vax that magically appeared 2 weeks after covid started? And discounted very safe, proven viral infection protocols?
2 years believing the fake pandemic spewing government propaganda daily on and immediately transition to daily spewing government pro war propaganda to start nuclear wars with Russia and China
Now that is delusional. Your head is an empty vessel ready to be filled with any sewage
Re: No chloroquine for Nevada steve4102 #14702861 03/25/20 Online Content antelope_sniper Campfire Ranger A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 29,243 Colorado Now we just need a neighboring state to give it to all patients meeting a specific medical standard, and we have a natural experiment.
It would be interesting to see how the outcomes compare.
Speaking of troll-bots bent on spreading chaos and dissent, look who showed up.
Displaying your post in Quotes is spreading chaos & dissent?
That's his intent, but I think his choice of post to quote, one where I'm advocating for the use of the scientific method, is pretty funny choice considering his intent.
Never misses an opportunity to needle people about Peaceful Protests........bitches and calls for civility when called out.
It's just crazy.
As others have said repeatedly, you're free to pass over those posts or posters that offend you.
So are you. Then you would have to piss and moan about protecting the little guy.
I expected you to say that. You validate my point. We all need to exercise self-control. Lacking that, we have the 24 Hour Campfire.
Not all. You are a troll and obviously crave the negative attention.
Well...either that or you want to control things here and use passive-aggressiveness as a tool to manipulate like AS does.
Probably both.
What, my CIA mind trick aren't working on you?
Now I'm really mad. I want my money back on their book and decoder ring.
If you genuinely believe that our State department is a global source of stability for the benefit of mankind...then we gave you too much credit from the start.
Actually Tucker was drawing more and more democratic viewers from CNN and MSNBC and had better ratings than them with their own viewers abandoning them
so there's another theory of yours that is wrong again
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
Now sure about this specific claim, but there's an interesting affect associated with this type of audience cross over.
Let's say the NY Time post some ridiculous article playing to the far left side of the audience. Since outrage sells, Foxnews.com covers this telling their readers how it's the end of the worlds, and includes a link the article. Now the pissed off fox audience is giving clicks to the NY Times encouraging them to print even more outrageous articles. This repeats in reverse when the NY times tells it's view's about Fox's outrageous reply, and now the NY Times readers are clicking on Tuckers Youtube video's.
The both sides wash, rinse and repeat for ratings and clicks.
Well I'm not the left. I just get tired of the bickering, like the OP.
Stop saying that.
It's obviously not true.
I'm willing to be uncomfortable and have tough talks with sincere people. With 54000 posts under my belt I might be able to tell who's trying and who's not.
Actually Tucker was drawing more and more democratic viewers from CNN and MSNBC and had better ratings than them with their own viewers abandoning them
so there's another theory of yours that is wrong again
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
Now sure about this specific claim, but there's an interesting affect associated with this type of audience cross over.
Let's say the NY Time post some ridiculous article playing to the far left side of the audience. Since outrage sells, Foxnews.com covers this telling their readers how it's the end of the worlds, and includes a link the article. Now the pissed off fox audience is giving clicks to the NY Times encouraging them to print even more outrageous articles. This repeats in reverse when the NY times tells it's view's about Fox's outrageous reply, and now the NY Times readers are clicking on Tuckers Youtube video's.
The both sides wash, rinse and repeat for ratings and clicks.
Again, explain the Tucker Carlson fiasco... a hint... it doesn't fit your theory, your theory's premise is wrong...
Tucker was canceled for exposing all of the corruption in Ukraine and for showing a few minutes of the Jan 6 surveillance
Americans are sick of being lied to and the covid scam started to wake Americans up. Tucker was the only credible main stream news left not coopted by our government propaganda machine .
Yes your theory is wrong again. Are you deranged?
Let's see some pics of your sniped antelope
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Actually Tucker was drawing more and more democratic viewers from CNN and MSNBC and had better ratings than them with their own viewers abandoning them
so there's another theory of yours that is wrong again
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
Now sure about this specific claim, but there's an interesting affect associated with this type of audience cross over.
Let's say the NY Time post some ridiculous article playing to the far left side of the audience. Since outrage sells, Foxnews.com covers this telling their readers how it's the end of the worlds, and includes a link the article. Now the pissed off fox audience is giving clicks to the NY Times encouraging them to print even more outrageous articles. This repeats in reverse when the NY times tells it's view's about Fox's outrageous reply, and now the NY Times readers are clicking on Tuckers Youtube video's.
The both sides wash, rinse and repeat for ratings and clicks.
Well I'm not the left. I just get tired of the bickering, like the OP.
Stop saying that.
It's obviously not true.
I'm willing to be uncomfortable and have tough talks with sincere people. With 54000 posts under my belt I might be able to tell who's trying and who's not.
After all the meltdowns...you want us to believe that?
Well I'm not the left. I just get tired of the bickering, like the OP.
Stop saying that.
It's obviously not true.
I'm willing to be uncomfortable and have tough talks with sincere people. With 54000 posts under my belt I might be able to tell who's trying and who's not.
After all the meltdowns...you want us to believe that?
Tucker was canceled for exposing all of the corruption in Ukraine and for showing a few minutes of the Jan 6 surveillance
Yes your theory is wrong again. Are you deranged?
Let's see some pics of your sniped antelope
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by ribka
Actually Tucker was drawing more and more democratic viewers from CNN and MSNBC and had better ratings than them with their own viewers abandoning them
so there's another theory of yours that is wrong again
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red 4emeat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Fox fired Tucker Carlson and they have lost a lot of viewers. I doubt they fired him because number of viewers was tacking up too much bandwidth.
Now sure about this specific claim, but there's an interesting affect associated with this type of audience cross over.
Let's say the NY Time post some ridiculous article playing to the far left side of the audience. Since outrage sells, Foxnews.com covers this telling their readers how it's the end of the worlds, and includes a link the article. Now the pissed off fox audience is giving clicks to the NY Times encouraging them to print even more outrageous articles. This repeats in reverse when the NY times tells it's view's about Fox's outrageous reply, and now the NY Times readers are clicking on Tuckers Youtube video's.
The both sides wash, rinse and repeat for ratings and clicks.
Three quarters of a billion dollars is a lot of money.
Well I'm not the left. I just get tired of the bickering, like the OP.
Stop saying that.
It's obviously not true.
I'm willing to be uncomfortable and have tough talks with sincere people. With 54000 posts under my belt I might be able to tell who's trying and who's not.
After all the meltdowns...you want us to believe that?
Jim do you think this doooschbag AS has ever bought a hunting license?
A pattern I have noticed around here lately. When one of our leftist leaning members makes a claim and gets called on it they ignore the question... Yet they are happy to answer any question that may support their claims....
A pattern I have noticed around here lately. When one of our leftist leaning members makes a claim and gets called on it they ignore the question... Yet they are happy to answer any question that may support their claims....
They just squeal about windmills and disinformation.
kaboki68: IF... something in a thread offends thee, then SIMPLY, stop reading it! OR... are YOU not being truthful and YOU really enjoy reading the digital dust-ups here-on? Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Moderate this forum, and members will go elsewhere!
You could write your dissertation on why that is, but one type of member would leave FOR CERTAIN, and that is the abusive poster seeking totalitarianism through intimidation and numbers.
Would that necessarily be a bad thing?
Or it could be the guy that rebuts those you listed. The point is if you don't moderate yourself, expect to be called out for your misgivings! In basic terms it goes like this, hit someone and they hit back. Just like the playground. I call it the Internet pecking order, it's all in the mind, because you can't face to face, just give input. Thats why narcissist leave, they eventually find out they can't out shout you on the net, and they can't bully you into thinking their way! My two cents.
It's merely the one's that can't weather the storm that 'cry foul'.
Wonder why?
It's like I've explained before, moderation is normal and healthy in everyday life.
Think of it in tribal terms. Elders lead youngsters. Youngsters don't lead elders. Societal order is respected and maintained by this one simple mantra, in it's most simplistic tribal terms, by the simplest form of respect based only on age.
Our society was maintained by the family unit and respect for the rule law, both of which have broken down to the point that a complete lack of respect (due to no consequences, I.E. a lack of an authoritarian figure in the household, or internet forum) and a lack of self-restraint.
It's an all-out, winner-take-all mentality that ignores healthy checks and balances provided by some form of sustainable authority figure.
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't be upset to have a moderator maintain civility, while allowing full vent of the exchange of information and ideas. I'm not sure why posters like JeffA are so intent on being able to belittle and cut down someone on the internet. Why is that such a big deal?
Are you afraid your position can't be defended on it's merits, therefore name-calling is required to shut down your opposition? I'm not talking about the censorship of ideas as seen on some "moderated" forums. I'm talking about the full exchange of ideas while maintaining civility, that's it. Seems pretty simple to me.
I would never have expected to sit at the dinner table as a child and bad mouth my mother without my father moderating me into next week. I'd be surprised if someone's household did allow it, and I would call it unhealthy.
Why are you afraid to be required to be civil in your internet exchanges? Can't your ideas stand on their own w/o insults?
So if their was moderation it would prevent you from 1. Doxing members and their families 2. talking about member kids in a derogatory manner 3. talking about members kid's that have passed away. Im sure their are more.. But we all know you only do the above things when you are pushed into a corner...
Invariably that's the kind of moderation you're going to get before all's said and done.
Maybe "self discipline" encompasses more than what you expect of others, Roy. You have over 54,000 posts and you should know by now what brings negative responses.
Just tryin to help, man.
I'm human, I get tired of the garbage and lash out. Sometimes I poke the bear myself.
Moderation would only help all of us to be more civil to one another, myself included.
You are part of absolute worse group on here. I remember getting a pm form you asking me if I was being disrespectful towards you. I was thinking at the time wtf is going on here. You are a phu cking weird man. People are wondering what group is that?? That group, are the guys who are in their 50's and up and think they deserve respect. When someone questions them, you are being disrespectful and when they are called a idiot, retard, dip chit, etc they cant believe someone called them that. Because no one has told them that enough in their life. Also fireball will never see this he has me on ignore.
Moderators are meant to protect the snowflakes and the weak. We don’t need no stinkin’ moderators…
Yes this place goes through periods where it’s dominated by “men” on their periods. It can be a real pain in the ass when nothing can be discussed because there are a few here that are incessant and childish with their constant attacks and name calling. I’m sure that the squeakiest wheels are the ones most desperate for attention and recognition.
With all the enemies we face in the world today I can’t figure out why we “eat our own” but I do know that soon we’ll either stand together or we’ll all hang separately. I would rather try to foster friendships with other like-minded men than to create animosity and division where it otherwise wouldn’t exist.
My opinion about Covid or Ukraine is my opinion only and I accept that other people see things differently. I don’t feel compelled to hate them because they support Ukraine, I don’t feel compelled to rip them apart with words and dox them online. I don’t want to ruin someone’s life because we disagree on the issues nor do I extrapolate from their support of Ukraine that they’re anti-American. Some of the accusations here are so over the top that I understand why someone might think moderators are a good idea but in reality they’d (moderators) stifle the true spirit of this place. Calling someone a pedophile simply because they have a different opinion on the war in Ukraine is not OK but censorship is far worse. In this day and age to have a lightly moderated board where the free exchange of ideas is not interfered with is a rare glimpse into what freedom looks like. Wanting to trade that freedom for the false sense of acceptance by the group is not a good trade.
There’s no doubt that some people are over the top with their constant assaults and name calling over covid or Ukraine but the answer isn’t censorship….the answer is to put your big boy pants on and ignore the bastards that piss you off while focusing on the topics and people who interest you.
The point is if you don't moderate yourself, expect to be called out for your misgivings! In basic terms it goes like this, hit someone and they hit back.
So if people call out poster X for their misgivings, it's automatically valid because, after all, it's a basic law of nature and you know, they said it so it must be right.
But if poster X calls someone else out for their misgivings, it's automatically invalid because why?
Does that happen here? Is it a forum of cliques that support each other at the expense of truth, or is it primarily a forum of truth-seeking individuals that are objective enough to overlook personality clashes and personal differences?
The point is if you don't moderate yourself, expect to be called out for your misgivings! In basic terms it goes like this, hit someone and they hit back.
So if people call out poster X for their misgivings, it's automatically valid because, after all, it's a basic law of nature and you know, they said it so it must be right.
But if poster X calls someone else out for their misgivings, it's automatically invalid because why?
Does that happen here? Is it a forum of cliques that support each other at the expense of truth, or is it primarily a forum of truth-seeking individuals that are objective enough to overlook personality clashes and personal differences?
Connect the dots.
Roy , you appear to want it both ways... doesn't work that way. You want respect... earn it
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
The point is if you don't moderate yourself, expect to be called out for your misgivings! In basic terms it goes like this, hit someone and they hit back.
So if people call out poster X for their misgivings, it's automatically valid because, after all, it's a basic law of nature and you know, they said it so it must be right.
But if poster X calls someone else out for their misgivings, it's automatically invalid because why?
Does that happen here? Is it a forum of cliques that support each other at the expense of truth, or is it primarily a forum of truth-seeking individuals that are objective enough to overlook personality clashes and personal differences?
Connect the dots.
Roy , you appear to want it both ways... doesn't work that way. You want respect... earn it
Chicken/egg
You and I get along fine even though we disagree often. Why do you suppose we are able to do that while that's not possible with others? Could it be that others are looking for a way to start something and are being less than genuine in their dealings?
So if their was moderation it would prevent you from 1. Doxing members and their families 2. talking about member kids in a derogatory manner 3. talking about members kid's that have passed away. Im sure their are more.. But we all know you only do the above things when you are pushed into a corner...
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Yeah... well GFY
Yep. Even online we create tribes, in groups and outgroup that we can attack to make ourselves feel better.
Looks like the character assassins have arrived. Should go downhill from here.
Originally Posted by 79S
So if their was moderation it would prevent you from 1. Doxing members and their families 2. talking about member kids in a derogatory manner 3. talking about members kid's that have passed away. Im sure their are more.. But we all know you only do the above things when you are pushed into a corner...
The point is if you don't moderate yourself, expect to be called out for your misgivings! In basic terms it goes like this, hit someone and they hit back.
So if people call out poster X for their misgivings, it's automatically valid because, after all, it's a basic law of nature and you know, they said it so it must be right.
But if poster X calls someone else out for their misgivings, it's automatically invalid because why?
Does that happen here? Is it a forum of cliques that support each other at the expense of truth, or is it primarily a forum of truth-seeking individuals that are objective enough to overlook personality clashes and personal differences?
Connect the dots.
Roy , you appear to want it both ways... doesn't work that way. You want respect... earn it
Chicken/egg
You and I get along fine even though we disagree often. Why do you suppose we are able to do that while that's not possible with others? Could it be that others are looking for a way to start something and are being less than genuine in their dealings?
I can't speak for others... I will tell you I am guilty at times of being a toxic poster. The reason I am with some and not others is at times a personal like for that person despite differences, at times respect etc... When I go toxic it's usually because in my mind they deserve it. Could be because they are liars, gaslighters , or especially arrogance. And of course if I discover they are leftist, then no hell is inappropriate for them as they are my mortal enemy
Never misses an opportunity to needle people about Peaceful Protests........bitches and calls for civility when called out.
It's just crazy.
As others have said repeatedly, you're free to pass over those posts or posters that offend you.
So are you. Then you would have to piss and moan about protecting the little guy.
I expected you to say that. You validate my point. We all need to exercise self-control. Lacking that, we have the 24 Hour Campfire.
There's nothing wrong with the campfire. If it gets a little too hot for you, you can always back away.
But if you think you can cool it off by pissing on it, then you run into problems with the others who enjoy it the way it is.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Fireball2
Originally Posted by irfubar
The division we are experiencing on the campfire is not an accident, it's by design. The powers that be want us divided and fighting among ourselves. It gives them cover for the grifting the current crop of marxist are engaging in.
So is it the lack of moderation that allows the infighting or can you name certain members that you think are plants?
No. It's much bigger than that. It's the 24/7 propaganda news .... most don't have the vision/ critical thinking skills to see through it and end up arguing endlessly about issue they have no clue about. Covid was the perfect example. The truth has surfaced and the idiots that were fooled still won't admit it. It's a huge pshy-op
Fubar,
Take my last quote about how people today consume media, and how the purpose of media in no longer to inform but just confirm your existing beliefs, then ask yourself, how much of what people think they know about a complex subject such as Covid is really true?
Wrong again... people like Rush , Tucker etc... put in words what we are thinking and we are drawn to that. The MSM tells their viewers what to think... it's propaganda, state controlled propaganda
How's that working out for them. Once upon a time they could do that but now, if people don't like what they hear they can go somewhere else for the self confirming, informational dopamine hit.
How much audience overlap is there between Fox News and CNN? Today, if you want to maintain audience capture you got to feed them the red meat they want or they'll switch you off go get their fix from tictok.
Did you ever wonder why Tictoc's so popular? Since the video's are very short, they get a lot of quick iterations for algo to determine what you like and don't like, so they can very quickly get to a point where they only feed you what you want to see and feed what ever biases you already have. From a profit perspective to them, it doesn't matter what side of the Covid debate you're on, that's the only side of the debate you'll see so yo continue to give them clicks.
Of course this feedback is two ways. Content creators post video's and see what get the most clicks, and begin doing more of that. Often they don't even believe what they post, but since that's what their audience wants, that what they post, until their online persona no longer aligns with their real self. The name of this phenomena is "Audience Capture" and it's turning out to be a real issue in online spaces, and Politics.
The MSM could give a rats azz about audience numbers and profit... Content creators are the wild west... you better learn critical thinking skills pronto!
The msm exists to allow rich leftists to influence public opinion while skirting campaign finance laws.
Moderate this forum, and members will go elsewhere!
You could write your dissertation on why that is, but one type of member would leave FOR CERTAIN, and that is the abusive poster seeking totalitarianism through intimidation and numbers.
Would that necessarily be a bad thing?
No offense, but anyone equating the expression of ideas with totalitarianism is kind of a pussy.
You are part of absolute worse group on here. I remember getting a pm form you asking me if I was being disrespectful towards you. I was thinking at the time wtf is going on here. You are a phu cking weird man. People are wondering what group is that?? That group, are the guys who are in their 50's and up and think they deserve respect. When someone questions them, you are being disrespectful and when they are called a idiot, retard, dip chit, etc they cant believe someone called them that. Because no one has told them that enough in their life. Also fireball will never see this he has me on ignore.
With all the enemies we face in the world today I can’t figure out why we “eat our own” but I do know that soon we’ll either stand together or we’ll all hang separately. I would rather try to foster friendships with other like-minded men than to create animosity and division where it otherwise wouldn’t exist.
That's what this place needs more of. Not a moderator, but moderation of our own selves. That would include reacting childishly to criticism and contradiction, which are the very things that spawn disdain, beginning a self perpetuating cycle that we feed our own selves and to our own detriment unless we learn to bust out of that mode.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Yeah... well GFY
Yep. Even online we create tribes, in groups and outgroup that we can attack to make ourselves feel better.
If only someone had written a book about this:
It was a joke .... notice the smiley face.... and quit projecting your nonsense on me....heym06 doesn't even like me , but I bet he got it
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Yeah... well GFY
We didn't change that to GMY??
Now if you disagree with their forced extraction of wealth....they call you Orwellian.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
From the genius that equates meth and fentanyl with firearms.
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
Did you know there is an "ignore" button? Anyone who is rude to others here, I put on "ignore" even if they are not rude to me. If anyone seems to be a Democrat they go on "ignore". Those who claim to be Christian but don't believe the Bible to be God's Word go on "ignore". There are others who seem to be nearly stupid so they are on "ignore". Perhaps I'm on other folks "ignore" list, also. I don't hold it against them.
Sometime I click on a thread and all I see is "ignore". I smile. It saves me a lot to time.
I am all for free speech but the nasty bitter bickering on here precludes any real enjoyment unless you want to watch fellers rip each other up and down.
Did you know there is an "ignore" button? Anyone who is rude to others here, I put on "ignore" even if they are not rude to me. If anyone seems to be a Democrat they go on "ignore". Those who claim to be Christian but don't believe the Bible to be God's Word go on "ignore". There are others who seem to be nearly stupid so they are on "ignore". Perhaps I'm on other folks "ignore" list, also. I don't hold it against them.
Sometime I click on a thread and all I see is "ignore". I smile. It saves me a lot to time.
Those graphs showing a flat line for weeks from February to now that suddenly shoot almost straight up are sobering. We have got to stay diligent about our exposures for the next few weeks.
I am not in anyway calling for moderators. I am not calling for biblestudy levels of self regulation. But I do feel most of us are scrapping with each other while the Demo Sickos are building themselves up. I just have to budget my forum time to read through threads where the real central concept is two good guys telling each other to GFY in a multitude of ways. I really don’t put anyone on ignore, I don’t feel entitled to any special deference and if anything I have never gone whitetail deer hunting or Turkey hunting so I don’t have a lot of experience with hunting in l48 or fishing for crappie or bullheads. This thread I believe is not about me but more about self-regulation.
From the looks of this thread we'll need someone to bring popcorn to the Campfire Rendezvous. I'm an EMT and will bring my medical bag after I stock it full of tampons.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Yeah... well GFY
Yep. Even online we create tribes, in groups and outgroup that we can attack to make ourselves feel better.
If only someone had written a book about this:
It was a joke .... notice the smiley face.... and quit projecting your nonsense on me....heym06 doesn't even like me , but I bet he got it
Of course it was, and a good one. My quote was directed at the post above your, which I should of edited out. Also could of used an emotional for a dry sarcastic tone.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
Yeah... well GFY
Yep. Even online we create tribes, in groups and outgroup that we can attack to make ourselves feel better.
If only someone had written a book about this:
It was a joke .... notice the smiley face.... and quit projecting your nonsense on me....heym06 doesn't even like me , but I bet he got it
Thats not true about not liking you. I may not like what you say at times, but will defend your right to say it. Aren't perceptions odd at times!
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
From the genius that equates meth and fentanyl with firearms.
#victimhood is strong in your state.
Your barking up the wrong tree Billy, plus thats a lie, do to your perception! It takes more brainpower, than you seem to have acquired to date. Yes I actually said you lied. Now why don't you go back inside and finish your milk toast. Or lopeing the mule or whatever goats do, after licking their balls, trying to get the taste out. See I can also be an azz!!! I try not to, but some just bring out the real me!!!! Don't like it gfy.💩 head!
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
From the genius that equates meth and fentanyl with firearms.
#victimhood is strong in your state.
Your barking up the wrong tree Billy, plus thats a lie, do to your perception! It takes more brainpower, than you seem to have acquired to date. Yes I actually said you lied. Now why don't you go back inside and finish your milk toast. Or lopeing the mule or whatever goats do, after licking their balls, trying to get the taste out. See I can also be an azz!!! I try not to, but some just bring out the real me!!!! Don't like it gfy.💩 head!
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
No worries brother Gruff... nothing a little moderation would have prevented ... lol Just the other day I did a fuggup... with BuzzH of all people... just damn But like a man , own it, move on and no harm done...
I am not in anyway calling for moderators. I am not calling for biblestudy levels of self regulation. But I do feel most of us are scrapping with each other while the Demo Sickos are building themselves up. I just have to budget my forum time to read through threads where the real central concept is two good guys telling each other to GFY in a multitude of ways. I really don’t put anyone on ignore, I don’t feel entitled to any special deference and if anything I have never gone whitetail deer hunting or Turkey hunting so I don’t have a lot of experience with hunting in l48 or fishing for crappie or bullheads. This thread I believe is not about me but more about self-regulation.
Why do we all scratch why do YOU all think the democrats don't to this to themselves as well?? Democrats take a different angle when someone in their group disagrees with them they call them one of several things. Racist, homophobe, transphobe, intolerant, privilege etc. The thing with democrats/liberals/progressives/independents they will tell their friend thank you for telling me that and toe the liberal line/talking points. Conservatives tell you something wrong 99% of the time the other is going to say no you are wrong.
Two of this forums resident azzclowns have been MIA of late, place is better in their absence.
No you are happy no one is here to constantly remind you that you are a idiot. You are part of that group that thinks you are protected class on here. If you say something everyone supposed to take it for gospel and not disagree with you. Soon as the do you get all wound up huffing and puffing besides yourself that someone said you are wrong. Simple fact is if you do or write something stupid you will be called a retard.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
From the genius that equates meth and fentanyl with firearms.
#victimhood is strong in your state.
Your barking up the wrong tree Billy, plus thats a lie, do to your perception! It takes more brainpower, than you seem to have acquired to date. Yes I actually said you lied. Now why don't you go back inside and finish your milk toast. Or lopeing the mule or whatever goats do, after licking their balls, trying to get the taste out. See I can also be an azz!!! I try not to, but some just bring out the real me!!!! Don't like it gfy.💩 head!
[bleep] me I was wrong 😑
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Heym06
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Heym06
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
No worries brother Gruff... nothing a little moderation would have prevented ... lol Just the other day I did a fuggup... with BuzzH of all people... just damn But like a man , own it, move on and no harm done...
There are a few members whose posts I ignore simply because you can generally count on their behavior to be tiresome. I just skip right over them. About the only thing I find mildly annoying is when an interesting & pleasant thread gets hijacked by two guys using it as a place to rehash a long-running insult squabble that started elsewhere. If I want to convey something to the OP, I just unfollow the thread & send them a message directly. It’s a regrettable problem but easily mitigated.
Frankly, I’ve heard enough complaining, squabbling & insulting as part of internet discourse to last me for the rest of my life. So I shrug it off & don’t engage. I just don’t have the energy or enough time left on this planet to waste any of it grinding about stuff. Maybe it’s the forums I favor or the threads that interest me, but my experience has been mostly positive here. I’ve encountered nice people who share some interesting pictures & have given me some helpful advice. YMMV
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
People would still be able to make an azz of themselves with a moderated forum.
You would still be able to skip over anything you don't want to read.
Not sure how any form of moderation would change your examples.
Been trying to figure out how to respond to this because Fireball is kind of correct. Moderators allow people to make a$$es of themselves once or twice and then they are banned from the site. On the campfire people can make a$$es of themselves over and over.
The press is absolutely controlled. They all report the same thing using the same slant and repeating the same lines. The press is the propaganda arm of the democrat party which is controlled by NWO participants. By trying to avoid conspiracy theories you overlook things that are apparent.
Nope. By and large, they're just stupid, lazy cowards playing to the whims of their audiences. If anything with "journalist" getting instant feed back on their stories through clicks, watch time, comments etc., it's the audiences influencing the content creators not the other way around.
Once again we agree to disagree but we do it respectfully.
Oh ya don't forget, friends or alleged friend of people, sometimes feel they should fight others battles for them. The the pile on begins, deserved or not. Example, say something about Flave and his ball suckers will jump to defend him, yet might not even know him from Adam! Or put down Fireballs and get accolades from those who decided they don't like him. It's the net, you can be who ever you want. So can everyone else! It's just life in the modern world. Being glad or mad, at or for people you will never know. Quite amazing when you think about it!!!
From the genius that equates meth and fentanyl with firearms.
#victimhood is strong in your state.
Your barking up the wrong tree Billy, plus thats a lie, do to your perception! It takes more brainpower, than you seem to have acquired to date. Yes I actually said you lied. Now why don't you go back inside and finish your milk toast. Or lopeing the mule or whatever goats do, after licking their balls, trying to get the taste out. See I can also be an azz!!! I try not to, but some just bring out the real me!!!! Don't like it gfy.💩 head!
[bleep] me I was wrong 😑
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Heym06
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Heym06
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
No worries brother Gruff... nothing a little moderation would have prevented ... lol Just the other day I did a fuggup... with BuzzH of all people... just damn But like a man , own it, move on and no harm done...
Lol, they all need to get a fugging room at the Holiday Inn.......
The press is absolutely controlled. They all report the same thing using the same slant and repeating the same lines. The press is the propaganda arm of the democrat party which is controlled by NWO participants. By trying to avoid conspiracy theories you overlook things that are apparent.
Nope. By and large, they're just stupid, lazy cowards playing to the whims of their audiences. If anything with "journalist" getting instant feed back on their stories through clicks, watch time, comments etc., it's the audiences influencing the content creators not the other way around.
Once again we agree to disagree but we do it respectfully.
He has an agenda and wants you to question what you know because you don't fall in lockstep like you used to.
Billy goat, I apologize for the rant, and the name calling. Even though you " drove by with a character assassination" , that put me on step like a 200hp, Merc. And I'll leave you with a blessing. "May your primers, be soaked in oil, and your bore rust shut! ". See self moderation ! Fug I forgot!!!🤔
Apologies sir, I had read a post couple days ago that torqued me off and I WRONGFULLY attributed it to you.
I own my Fück up and sincerely apologize.
You lucky fu gg er, you can remember two days ago. I'm jealous!😎
One of the things I like about the 24 Hour Campfire is the lack of moderation. People are allowed to make a$$es of themselves if they so desire and I can choose to read their posts or skip over them. Along with freedom there is responsibility.
People would still be able to make an azz of themselves with a moderated forum.
You would still be able to skip over anything you don't want to read.
Not sure how any form of moderation would change your examples.
Been trying to figure out how to respond to this because Fireball is kind of correct. Moderators allow people to make a$$es of themselves once or twice and then they are banned from the site. On the campfire people can make a$$es of themselves over and over.
Then the new threads would be about why someone was banned and someone else wasn't. More drama from the beta crybabies. NO one forces anyone to log on. Maybe this forum isn't for everyone, join a different one. I hear facebook is heavily moderated, maybe time for some to move on.
Jim you are actually correct, I used to fall in lockstep. I thought Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. I thought Nixon spied on his enemies. I thought we were fighting the communists in Vietnam. I thought Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and I thought Muslim terrorists were responsible for collapsing the World Trade Center. Then the magic knee grow got elected and I thought WTH, these people just destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of Americans and now we elect one President? Something is not right. That made me question everything I had believed. Then Trump defeated hitlery and I thought there is hope for this country after the destruction caused by the magic knee grow. Then Trump turned around the economy and let the world know he was not bluffing. I looked forward to his second term. Then Fox News said, with ten percent of the vote in, we are calling Arizona for bidet.
Now I believe nothing is as it seems. There are people working together to destroy the United States so they can control the world. These people include democrats and republicans, the media and lots of useful idiots. So yes you are correct.
Jim you are actually correct, I used to fall in lockstep. I thought Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. I thought Nixon spied on his enemies. I thought we were fighting the communists in Vietnam. I thought Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and I thought Muslim terrorists were responsible for collapsing the World Trade Center. Then the magic knee grow got elected and I thought WTH, these people just destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of Americans and now we elect one President? Something is not right. That made me question everything I had believed. Then Trump defeated hitlery and I thought there is hope for this country after the destruction caused by the magic knee grow. Then Trump turned around the economy and let the world know he was not bluffing. I looked forward to his second term. Then Fox News said, with ten percent of the vote in, we are calling Arizona for bidet.
Now I believe nothing is as it seems. There are people working together to destroy the United States so they can control the world. These people include democrats and republicans, the media and lots of useful idiots. So yes you are correct.
Yes sir.
I was one too.
The biggest threat to the neocons is free information and a populace that doesn't just swallow the Party line.
358 Winchester shooting 7 grains of 2400 powder and a 124 gr 9mm HP bullet. Small game load for carrying while big game hunting. 30 yard target. Target was shot with a 16" Savage 99 carbine.
And not a single damn bullseye. Back to the loading bench with you
358 Winchester shooting 7 grains of 2400 powder and a 124 gr 9mm HP bullet. Small game load for carrying while big game hunting. 30 yard target. Target was shot with a 16" Savage 99 carbine.
That's perfect for what you're going to do with it. I've got an old ballard rifled 336 Texan 35 Remington that is just dead nuts at 200 yards with a Sierra 200 at 2150. I've been tinkering with 140-158 XTPs at 1800 fps, but I believe it'll take a 180-200 grain bullet to shoot to my irons.
On the current state of Hunter's Campfire- while there is obviously animosity between certain members and the rest is essentially schidt talk you'd hear on an unchaperoned 7th grade field trip. 'Handguns' can be just as stoopid.
One can always pass by if the conversation doesn't suit. I will always prefer an unmoderated or loosely moderated forum over one loaded with bliss-ninnys, cry-babies and Cartmen banning people over mangina trauma.
The press is absolutely controlled. They all report the same thing using the same slant and repeating the same lines. The press is the propaganda arm of the democrat party which is controlled by NWO participants. By trying to avoid conspiracy theories you overlook things that are apparent.
Nope. By and large, they're just stupid, lazy cowards playing to the whims of their audiences. If anything with "journalist" getting instant feed back on their stories through clicks, watch time, comments etc., it's the audiences influencing the content creators not the other way around.
Once again we agree to disagree but we do it respectfully.
He has an agenda and wants you to question what you know because you don't fall in lockstep like you used to.
He misses Freedom Fries.
The narrative that passes for news in the U.S.A. is so standardized that soon it will be written by AI.
Unless AI decides to start telling the truth. Wouldn't that be something?!
A source that simply takes in all available data and then spits out bare facts,....regardless of all efforts to silence it.
Jim you are actually correct, I used to fall in lockstep. I thought Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. I thought Nixon spied on his enemies. I thought we were fighting the communists in Vietnam. I thought Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and I thought Muslim terrorists were responsible for collapsing the World Trade Center. Then the magic knee grow got elected and I thought WTH, these people just destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of Americans and now we elect one President? Something is not right. That made me question everything I had believed. Then Trump defeated hitlery and I thought there is hope for this country after the destruction caused by the magic knee grow. Then Trump turned around the economy and let the world know he was not bluffing. I looked forward to his second term. Then Fox News said, with ten percent of the vote in, we are calling Arizona for bidet.
Now I believe nothing is as it seems. There are people working together to destroy the United States so they can control the world. These people include democrats and republicans, the media and lots of useful idiots. So yes you are correct.
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At the time Fox called Arizona, Mr. Biden led Mr. Trump by 8.5 percentage points, with an estimated 73 percent of the expected vote counted. The tabulated votes were mainly mail ballots received well ahead of the election. To win, Mr. Trump needed to take about 61 percent of the remaining votes.
Jim you are actually correct, I used to fall in lockstep. I thought Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. I thought Nixon spied on his enemies. I thought we were fighting the communists in Vietnam. I thought Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and I thought Muslim terrorists were responsible for collapsing the World Trade Center. Then the magic knee grow got elected and I thought WTH, these people just destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of Americans and now we elect one President? Something is not right. That made me question everything I had believed. Then Trump defeated hitlery and I thought there is hope for this country after the destruction caused by the magic knee grow. Then Trump turned around the economy and let the world know he was not bluffing. I looked forward to his second term. Then Fox News said, with ten percent of the vote in, we are calling Arizona for bidet.
Now I believe nothing is as it seems. There are people working together to destroy the United States so they can control the world. These people include democrats and republicans, the media and lots of useful idiots. So yes you are correct.
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