Drudge is putting up exit results already.
I don't really believe they mean much, yet but things don't look good.
Has O taking Ohio but Kerry was president for 7 hours back in 2004 due to the "exit polling"....
Would like to keep things confined to 1 or 2 threads so those who want to talk guns and shooting have a relatively tidy page.
Drudge has Ohio as a toss up on his page.
This thread will pick up pace around 8-8:30 after states begin releasing results.
Anything before then is just silly.
Romney wins! Romney wins! Romney wins! Romney wins!
Oh wait a minute...here comes the great Black hope...he's throwin' uppercuts like there's no tomorrow!
Romney counters with a flurry of jabs......
And down goes Romney! Down goes Romney! Down goes Romney!
But here comes Romney.......lol
Romney wins! Romney wins! Romney wins! Romney wins!
Oh wait a minute...here comes the great Black hope...he's throwin' uppercuts like there's no tomorrow!
Romney counters with a flurry of jabs......
And down goes Romney! Down goes Romney! Down goes Romney!
But here comes Romney.......lol
... And here comes Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, they are sprinting toward the ring, a few fans in the nose bleed section start to go crazy, but they both trip over their own feet and end up schitting themselves in front of a sold out crowd.
Romney and Obama continue to trade blows as if nothing happened... lol
Romney is leading in real life in Kentucky, so we've got that going for us.
Wheeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!
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This thread will pick up pace around 8-8:30 after states begin releasing results.
Anything before then is just silly.
Thought results would be coming out (starting) 7pm est or about 38 mins from now?
Keep in mind the exit polls in 2004 were off by 6%.
They are absolutely useless.
This thread will pick up pace around 8-8:30 after states begin releasing results.
Anything before then is just silly.
How much would we need to offer you, Bob, to predict an Obama victory?
Some counties in FL have announced they will stay open as long as it takes. If you get in line BEFORE 7 PM you will get to vote. Lee County has been experiencing up to 6 HOUR waits to vote!!!!
Collier County reports over 80% voter turnout ALREADY!
Virginia closes at 7pm and Ohio 7:30. Those are the first battleground states to close, and the first we will see real numbers on.
Florida closes at 8pm
NH 8pm
Wisky 9pm (EST)
Iowa 10pm (EST)
From HotAir -
.....according to poll closing times for key battleground states across the U.S. The breakdown:
7 p.m. ET to 8 p.m.: Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina
8 p.m. ET to 9 p.m.: Florida, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire
9 p.m. ET to 10 p.m.: Wisconsin, Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota
10 p.m. ET to 11 p.m.: Iowa, Nevada
Keep in mind the exit polls in 2004 were off by 6%.
They are absolutely useless.
Yep, they are not worth a damn, and for some reason they are always several points off in favor of the Dem. I truly think that conservatives are so fed up with the media and have such a lack of trust with them, that they avoid doing the exit polls all together. Or they just flat out lie to make the polls look stupid.
CNN has already declared Kentucky and Indiana for Romney!
Mom called and said it's crazy down there,Terry.
Some counties in FL have announced they will stay open as long as it takes. If you get in line BEFORE 7 PM you will get to vote. Lee County has been experiencing up to 6 HOUR waits to vote!!!!
Collier County reports over 80% voter turnout ALREADY!
This was my Facebook post as I have quite a diverse voting block on my friends list -
#727 - no line to speak of. 3 people there were voting for the first time and they were into their 40's. Nice! Everyone should be involved.
Was also interesting to see all the stickers on the cars in the lot, an abundance of various military themed ones. West Point alumni, USAF, USN etc. Didn't know that many vets lived in my neighborhood. Which kinda leads me to my next point... Heard a lot of people complaining about long lines to vote. It may seem long but I'll tell you what - the line at Arlington is a hell of a lot longer for guys that gave you the opportunity to be part of a peaceable change in leadership in this country.
Take a second to think about that. How very lucky we are compared to so many other people. Then think about the cost of that opportunity. Now thing about your complaint of waiting in line for 40 minutes....Response has been rather positive.
Kentucky is usually really quick with the results.
Mom called and said it's crazy down there,Terry.
Yes it is, like sharks in a feeding frenzy.
From HotAir -
.....according to poll closing times for key battleground states across the U.S. The breakdown:
7 p.m. ET to 8 p.m.: Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina
8 p.m. ET to 9 p.m.: Florida, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire
9 p.m. ET to 10 p.m.: Wisconsin, Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota
10 p.m. ET to 11 p.m.: Iowa, Nevada
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I voted at 3:40pm but did not cast ballot until 1 hour and 50 minutes later. When I left,line was longer than when I first entered.
You need at least 10% or more before you can really begin seeing the trends thereafter. For instance,in NH Obama 65%,Romney 33%...with 1% reporting.
Swing state polls will likely actually close an hour or so later if the line I was in is any indication.
Politico Results Map I like these types - handy.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
From HotAir -
.....according to poll closing times for key battleground states across the U.S. The breakdown:
7 p.m. ET to 8 p.m.: Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina
8 p.m. ET to 9 p.m.: Florida, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire
9 p.m. ET to 10 p.m.: Wisconsin, Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota
10 p.m. ET to 11 p.m.: Iowa, Nevada
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I voted at 3:40pm but did not cast ballot until 1 hour and 50 minutes later. When I left,line was longer than when Ifirst entered.
You need at least 10% or more before you can really begin seeing the trends tereafter. For instance,in NH Obama 65%,Romney 33%...with 1% reporting.
Swing state polls will likely actually close an hour or so later if the line I was in is any indication.
Oh I agree but a person can put some mental "english" on poll results and see how things are going.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
I have an infant, chances are, I'll be up with ya!
My FIL lives in a traditional Democrat/liberal neighborhood a little north of us here in Florida. It only took him 10 minutes to vote today. This could mean something significant.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
It's never finished until early in the morning, as Broward county is usually FUBAR.
We should know Florida long before midnight though.
Watch for Hamilton County Ohio and post whatever blurbs anyone finds,please.
I think Romney may have it. If he does,Ohio will look good for Romney.
I'll post Va pres and Senate updates as I'm alerted.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
Well, I did my part in Florida.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
I have an infant, chances are, I'll be up with ya!
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And I a granddaughter with chicken pox and teething her canines. Royal little bitch moments,to be sure.
You're excellent company though so let's hope we end the evening with high fives.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
I have an infant, chances are, I'll be up with ya!
I have no children, but I WILL be up for these results!!!!!!!!
Let's go America, don't let me down now!
Drinking has already started...
Ed
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
Well, I did my part in Florida.
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Yes,I read your thread. I was hoping you didn't decide Florida was solid Romney.
I think you did the good thing. The right thing. If Romney wins by one vote,you'll be famous.
Dunno if I'll be up - I work at 6am.
I should be up, I am on the west coast though so I don't have nearly the night ahead of me that you fellas have.
If Romney wins by one vote,you'll be famous.
Absolutely.
I will be up sipping my Maker's Mark, watching these results come in.
I'm really liking politico.com!
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
Well, I did my part in Florida.
You did the right thing - Romney supporter.
Watch for Hamilton County Ohio and post whatever blurbs anyone finds,please.
I think Romney may have it. If he does,Ohio will look good for Romney.
I'll post Va pres and Senate updates as I'm alerted.
It looks busy in Hamilton and Butler Counties, Bob...
http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/voter-stream-remains-steady-at-polls/nSyRL/ By Hannah Poturalski
Staff Writers
HAMILTON �
Butler County voters were out in force Tuesday to cast votes in the battleground state.
Voters were at polling spots before the doors opened, said Jocelyn Bucaro, deputy director of the Butler County Board of Elections.
Bucaro said there was a 30-minute line at the board of elections officeon Princeton Road.
�We had lines at most polling locations at 6:30 a.m.,� she said. �Lines have quieted down and there�s a steady stream.�
Bucaro said she anticipated 175,000 voters in Butler County casting a ballot this presidential election through absentee and in-person voting. She said 46,387 absentee ballots were cast in the county.
Erin Allen who was at the polling place at the Board of Elections Tuesday morning said she always votes and she wanted to cast her ballot on election day. She is looking for change.
�I�m certainly not missing it (the election) I knew nothing would keep me away from here,� she said.
In Monroe, voter turnout was so heavy in the morning hours at fire department headquarters, on Ohio 4 that a police officer had to be dispatched around 8 a.m. to handle traffic congestion problems, said Monroe police Lt. Brian Curlis.
Curlis said the parking lot at the fire station was full and voters were parking on the side of Ohio 4, causing traffic obstructions for motorists trying to leave the busy polling spot.
Voters in a small section of Butler County voted with paper ballots after a glitch left the Northwest School District levy off the electronic ballot, according to election officials.
Jocelyn Bucaro, Butler County Board of Elections deputy director, said 69 voters were affected.
Linda Hartenstein and Paula Warnken, who worked the polls at the Countryside YMCA in Lebanon, reported that voter turnout had been very steady all morning.
�It�s the busiest election I�ve ever seen,� Warnken said. �I thought we would maybe have less people because so many went to early voting but that�s not the case.�
The polls were �swamped� for the first 2 1/2 hours, Hartenstein said but had slowed down a little by 11:30 a.m. The pollsters reported 275 people having voted at their precinct by 11:30 a.m.
Voters in Fairfield city and township came out for both the president and the Massachusetts governor, for a variety of reasons.
�I voted for the next president of the United States, Mr. Romney,� said Pat Markey, making a prediction after voting at Fairfield North Elementary School in the township. �I think we need change, just like Mr. Obama said. I think we need to put people back to work.
Robert Hartshorn, who said he was a Republican, hoped that Romney would �repeal the health care, not allow any taxes to go up and take care of all the energy problems we have in this country.�
Kyle Osborne of the township said, �As far as the presidential race goes, the two candidates want to do the same things for the country, but I feel like my opinions of government and social issues align a little bit better with the Republican party than the Democrat � to the extent the president has any power over this, I�d like to see the economy growing a little faster than it has been and unemployment to come down a bit. I�m not terribly concerned with the deficit because I know that as the economy improves, the deficit will improve.�
At Fairfield Middle School, Donald Crew said, �I support Obama and everything he believes in. My family is behind the president, so that�s what I follow. Hopefully he�ll get this economy going and get the job rates up so everybody can have a job.�
Cristina Kidd, also of Fairfield, was an undecided voter right up to the very last day.
�I�m one of those last-minute people. I�m pretty confident who I�m going to vote for, but I vote according to my conscience and there are some things I�m not going to waver on, like public assistance, Medicare and Medicaid. The bottom line is (some) stereotype people and say that everyone on public assistance is just abusing the system, and that�s just not the facts. I know several friends of mine who had a hurdle to jump over. They did it, had a little bit of help for awhile, and now they have great careers, beautiful families and they are successful people,� she said.
Staff Writer Justin McClelland contributed to this story.
As a aside,Fairfax County Va,my home town,has a population of about 1.4 milion.
My polling station had 4 electronic voting booths.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
Well, I did my part in Florida.
You did the right thing - Romney supporter.
Obama foe.
More from Hamilton County...
Voter turnout reported high in some Ohio counties
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CINCINNATI � Several counties are reporting high turnout around the state with voters standing in long lines at some locations.
About 100 people were lined up into the street by midmorning Tuesday at one Cincinnati location. Poll workers said about 30 people were in line before the polls opened. But voters there said the line was moving fairly quickly.
Lines at some other Cincinnati sites in Hamilton County were much shorter.
The line at a suburban Columbus site in Franklin County was wrapped around the building with voters having to wait about an hour. By midmorning the line had dwindled to about 100 and the wait was down to 25 minutes.
Elections officials in counties including Lake, Geauga and Cuyahoga in northeast Ohio and Franklin County say turnout is high so far.
BIG OHIO UPDATE: GOP Turnout Is Way Up ↑� Dem Turnout Way Down ↓
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 2:48 PM
Here�s the latest from Ohio from campaign sources��..
Quick update � turnout is up in GOP Geauga County, Ohio where McCain won with 57% of the vote and down in Athens County, the home of Ohio University and where Obama won with 67% in 2008. Early vote in Geauga? 125% of 2008. Athens? Down 10% from 2008.
SHOT: GOP county turnout up
� Plain Dealer: Geauga election chief predicts 80 percent voter turnout today
� Geauga County early vote was 125% more than 2008 early vote
� McCain won Geauga County with 57% and Bush got 60% in �04
CHASER: Dem county turnout down
� WOUB: Athens County Election Officials: Morning Voter Turn Out Low
� Athens County early vote was 10% less than 2008 early vote
� Obama won Athens County with 67%
RELATED: One Florida County already has Republicans picking up 10,000 votes compared to 2008.
Heavy turnout could slow Hamilton Co. vote count
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Heavy turnout could slow results from Hamilton County's 96 precincts, but election officials said they're ready for the count.
The number of provisional ballots will likely grow in the final hours of voting, which will complicate the final count.
"We've redoubled our efforts to train our poll workers to avoid voting people provisionally if it's not appropriate to do so, but yeah, there might be some number of provisional ballots that we'll have to look at 10 days (from Tuesday)," said Alex Triantafilou, of the Board of Elections.
As voters packed polling places throughout the county Tuesday, pundits were anticipating the possibility that Hamilton County could tilt Ohio and therefore the election.
If the election comes down to provisional ballots, the final count won't be known until mid-Noveber because those ballots can't be counted for 10 days.
"Everybody's saying the fix is in, the fix in on, (but) I don't know," said WDBZ radio host Lincoln Ware. "A lot of people are upset with the secretary of state."
Democrats have accused Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted of trying to suppress the voter turnout, particularly among traditionally liberal demographics.
But officials from both parties said they've been working to ensure a fair and quick process for counting the votes.
"I'm confident that we will count these ballots appropriately and accurately, so I'm not concerned about the ultimate outcome," said Chip Gerhardt, of the Board of Elections. "The timing may bother some people, but the law is clear."
Turn out and enthusiasm is what the GOP has working for it, so in my mind the MORE people that turn out, favors Romney. If that's so, things are looking good in Ohio...
man u guys have it made!!(na
......if i had'nt voted by mail 2 weeks ago the race would be called ..before my dinner.....!!!!
I've got some real time poll data for you......I've never seen that many people lined up to vote in No. Va.......all day.
Everyone I've talked to said the same thing.
Fwiw...I voted early saw about 60-40 in favor of Republican, holding sample ballots....my wife and work pard voted this pm....they said it was more 80-20 in favor of Republican sample ballots.....
Also, one of my pards lives in Fairfax County...real critical to Va. He said his rabid Demo neighbors are voting Republican. As a matter of fact, one lady said it was the first time she EVER voted Republican ANYTHING. She pulled the lever for Romney.
I am telling you, people are po'd over the way the country has been run the past 4 years.
Tony
Hot Air is calling (in the text) Indiana for Mitt, based off Politico returns as the Sec. of State there is slow.
IIRC - Indiana went Obama last go round.
The thing is - if Mitt doesn't get Virginia, he MUST get Ohio and some others to have a shot.
Virginia closes in 5 minutes.
Watch till about 35% reports to get the main thrust. This will be the first big contest we'll have a final on before 9pm.
I'd expect NH to go Obama just because of the huge Libertarian presence there. It's like their mecca.
They will siphon off votes from Romney and thus give NH to Obama. They're quite ok with that too.
my moms in her mid 70's and said the same thing to me last weekend....she was near ill the way her country has gone and was praying hard.......sad stuff....
And when your put the pointer over New Hampshire, it shows
only .07 of the precincts reporting.
Most likely inner city precincts.
Loving the headline at Drudge...
"ENOUGH! Let's count!"
Politico's called Vermont with 0% reporting and 6 minutes after the polls close....
For Obama
Called KY for Romney.
EC is 8 to 3 for Romney/Ryan.
I will be up sipping my Maker's Mark, watching these results come in.
I had a little bit of that a few nights ago, for the first time. Very smoooooth!
http://d23y8zw8tx4ytu.cloudfront.ne...deo/30/it-s-about-the-cocktail-party.m4v
And when your put the pointer over New Hampshire, it shows
only .07 of the precincts reporting.
Most likely inner city precincts.
Harts Location and Dixville Notch. IIRC, right around 30 people between the two. There maybe a few others in but I haven't seen it yet. Those results were in at 0600 as they vote at midnight.
George
So far with very FEW results reported - Florida leans Obama.
Called KY for Romney.
EC is 8 to 3 for Romney/Ryan.
Fox Calls Indiana for Romney
R - 19
O - 3
The AP projects Romney has won Kentucky and Obama Vermont and Drudge says Romney has won Ind along with Kentucky.....
FL just flipped 55 45 for ZERO
It'll flip back and forth about 27 more times too...
nail biter, that one...
Still early.
Getting wound up about early returns is a waste.
Early results in VA show Obama in the lead. Mitt MUST win VA to make OH slightly optional. Without VA he MUST win OH and a slew of others.
Talk now is Florida may not be counted until near 2 am.
I'll be up. Hang in with me,Andrew.
I'd like to stay up late and watch results roll in with you, but I tossed and turned last night until past 2:30am and the alarm went off at 5:30am as usual. Don't know if I can take another short night like that.
Ohio, Virginia, Iowa.....
That is tonight's tune, just keep humming it, because those 3 will decide this election.
Only real alternative is either Wisky or NH surprising, which brings Colorado into play. That could replace one of the 3 above.
The FL panhandle is an hour behind the rest of the State and its usually more conservative than the rest of the State.
some buddy should pull a fast one and turn most all the eastern states red just for a hour or so!!!!! the msnbc losers would chit a logging chain lol!!!
Allen has 52% vs 48% on the Senate race. If Allen does well,Romney should,as well.
I should just go to sleep, I get up 3-4 times a night anyhow to leak so I can check the count....but I know I will not sleep.
Still early.
Getting wound up about early returns is a waste.
Meh, it's like the Super Bowl. I'm going to get excited when my team scores a field goal 2 mins into the first qtr. I know that there's lots of game left, but I'm still stoked!
Allen has 52% vs 48% on the Senate race. If Allen does well,Romney should,as well.
Hoping that holds regardless of what happens in the Presidential race...
We need guys like Allen there...
Early results in VA show Obama in the lead. Mitt MUST win VA to make OH slightly optional. Without VA he MUST win OH and a slew of others.
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4% reporting and Allen is winning now against Kaine. That's a good sign for Romney.
As I told Steve NO a couple months ago,Virgil Goode scares me here so we'll see how that plays into the dynamic.
Romney back on top in FL.
Like I said, 26 more flip flops to go...
Va...now 55% Romney,44% Obama
Early results in VA show Obama in the lead. Mitt MUST win VA to make OH slightly optional. Without VA he MUST win OH and a slew of others.
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4% reporting and Allen is winning now against Kaine. That's a good sign for Romney.
As I told Steve NO a couple months ago,Virgil Goode scares me here so we'll see how that plays into the dynamic.
He's a local boy, so that should take a good number of votes from Romney...
I'd be nervous about him too...
CNN is reporting that since 1880 Vigo County IN has voted with the wining Presidential candidate every time except twice. The last time they missed was in 1952 with old Ike. With 78% of the vote in, Romney leads by 250 votes out of 30,000 cast.
Still early.
Getting wound up about early returns is a waste.
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I hear you brother but I can't get excited every play for WVU anymore so I am living vicariously by this election.
It's gonna be a long night.....
VA Independents breaking big for Romney.
Hope that trend continues. They need to out do Mr. Goode.
It's gonna be a long night.....
You got that right!
4 mins till Ohio closes I believe.
Not that the voting's done...
Rumor is Mitt only wrote one speech tonight. A victory one.
Say what you want about him as a candidate - he ran one hell of a better deal than McLame did.
Still early.
Getting wound up about early returns is a waste.
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I hear you brother but I can't get excited every play for WVU anymore so I am living vicariously by this election.
That was thrown out for the naysayers regarding Florida Pard.
I'm up for any good news regarding Romney!
Gap is widening in VA....
Romney - 57.2%
Obama - 41.5%
1.5% reporting.
Romney is up 57.7 to 41 in Virginia. Come on Virginia, we need this one!!
I'm getting nervous. Dear lord please help Mitt kick ass! Amen
It's gonna be a long night week .....
fixed it for ya
And in North Carolina. Romney just awarded W Va EC votes.
Fox is showing:
Electoral Votes
Obama - 3
Romney - 24
Gap is widening in VA....
Romney - 57.2%
Obama - 41.5%
1.5% reporting.
Way to go Virginia!
Lines are long though, and those in line will be allowed to vote. It could be a while before numbers show...
Fox is showing:
Electoral Votes
Obama - 3
Romney - 24
Yep! Picked up West Virginia.
Obama jumped up to 52% in FL....I think this one will switch soon though...
True but they'll still begin releasing early returns. I want to see hamilton and Butler County demographics and tallies.
Gap is widening in VA....
Romney - 57.2%
Obama - 41.5%
1.5% reporting.
Way to go Virginia!
Getting wider...
58% - R
40% - O
Wonder why Politico is running so far behind?
They've not reported anything on W VA and they still haven't called Indiana.
Long way to go still,but looking good.
True but they'll still begin releasing early returns. I want to see hamilton and Butler County demographics and tallies.
The turn out was HUGE in Butler and fairly larger than normal in Hamilton. That bode's well in my book.
I bet Hamilton starts tallying soon.
Wonder why Politico is running so far behind?
They've not reported anything on W VA and they still haven't called Indiana.
I don't know that they're behind. Fox has a history of jumping the gun...
I'm gonna jump the gun on Fox News and call NY, NJ, MD, RI,DE, MA, CT, CA, WA, and OR for Obama. Tells us how silly the EC tallies are right now.
It is gonna be a long night.
Is Obama projected to win SC?
wheres that idjot walt at.
So far with very FEW results reported - Florida leans Obama.
Yikes! Say it ain't so.
Is Obama projected to win SC?
Fox called it for RR
Is Obama projected to win SC?
Ya, what's up with that [bleep]?
WTF is the deal with SC -29 % black? Is that all.
Romneys killing it in Va!!!
SC is more screwed up than Ga?
It's still early, there's less than 7k votes counted in SC.
Romneys killing it in Va!!!
Romney 60%
Obama 38.6%
Hope this continues!
just changed again...
Romney 59.1%
Obama 39.5%
60%-38% Romney in Virginia!!!!
Relax on Florida people, the early voting is counted first and the Democrats have focused on early voting.
You fellas have fun with this thread, I need a drink!
It's still early, there's less than 7k votes counted in SC.
Fox gave SC to zero!
You fellas have fun with this thread, I need a drink!
I'm having one right now!
I'm with ya on the drink! ,
It's still early, there's less than 7k votes counted in SC.
Fox gave SC to zero!
I'm showing on Fox that SC is Romney. Web page, not TV
It's still early, there's less than 7k votes counted in SC.
Fox gave SC to zero!
I'm showing on Fox that SC is Romney. Web page, not TV
Same here, and Politico really sucks, way behind
It's still early, there's less than 7k votes counted in SC.
And the lead for O is losing ground fast
If the gap is still over 10% difference when VA gets to 10% reporting, then we have a REAL good chance there....
Super early Ohio - RR 61, OB 37 - SUPER EARLY from Politico.
Ohio starts off strong for Romney!
61.4% Romney
37.2% Obama
The Democrats were REALLY relying big time on the early vote there too...
This is good news...
8% reporting in Va
Romney still up by 16%
Cuyahoga, Franklin and Hamilton counties in Ohio aren't reporting anything yet. Those are the counties to watch in Ohio.
Wow. Hope that holds true.
Ernie
Are you typing this in your best Walter Cronkite voice.
I'll add Butler to your list. heard some early great news on Hamilton. Waiting to make sure it wasn't simply rumor.
Are you typing this in your best Walter Cronkite voice.
How did you know!?
What's the deal with FL? Obama up 87K with >40% in.
Can't we just knock Florida and California off the map?!
Seattle radio station is essentially calling Florida for Obama. Game could be over.
What's the deal with FL? Obama up 87K with >40% in.
only 8.5% in
Politico colored South Carolina wrong color:)
Seattle radio station is essentially calling Florida for Obama. Game could be over.
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You're kidding,right?
Seattle radio station is essentially calling Florida for Obama. Game could be over.
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You're kidding,right?
Unfortunately, no.
I got it muted, I don't want to hear Baier or Williams, only want to see the tally and lust over Kelly.
To say game over at this juncture is absurd.
Relax on Florida people, the early voting is counted first and the Democrats have focused on early voting.
Thanks man! You just talked me back off the ledge.
What's the deal with FL? Obama up 87K with >40% in.
only 8.5% in
Fox website showing 41% almost 3.7 million votes
Crap, add O'really to the list of muted.
My latest via Fox (Politico is just reporting results from Carter/Reagan they're so far behind)
Obama 79 - CT, DE, DC, IL, ME, MD, MA, NJ, RI, VT
Romney 71 - AL, GA, IN, KY, MS, OK, SC, WV
I'm really not seeing a landslide here.
The Fl. Panhandle may yet save the day. I sure hope so.
Not many models showing Romney winning without Florida.
CNN has already declared Kentucky and Indiana for Romney!
Kentucky has it's problems, but pulling for the right candidate in a presidential election ain't one of them.
I'm seeing Florida 50 to 48 O with about 4 million votes counted?
Seattle radio station is essentially calling Florida for Obama. Game could be over.
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You're kidding,right?
Unfortunately, no.
So you think a Seattle radio station is an expert on Florida county voting? Seriously?
Only 45% of the vote in Florida counted. 2% difference means nothing yet.
Not at all. They are just rolling with Lib sources who are apparently ready to make that call.
Obummer 50.8
Romney 48.5 with only 11.8% counted in Florida according to Politico. Kinda early to call it.
Florida is waaaay too early to call!
Fox shows Ohio way up for Zero.
Slolitico is showing Romney in a deep hole in Ohio.
WTH?
Romney up in Florida with 50% in.
49 to 51 Romney with 50% reporting. Go Panhandle!
That would be "Go Fl Panhandle"
Romney now up by 2% with 50% counted in Florida. See how stupid this is?
The polls haven't even closed there.
Jumpers back away from the windows...
Geez.
The polls haven't even closed there.
Jumpers back away from the windows...
Geez.
Lol!
Romney now up by 2% with 50% counted in Florida. See how stupid this is?
You'd think these folks would have learned about guessing with Florida in the 2000 election.
Despite what west coast Lib radio says...
Something real weird is happening or there is a major [bleep] up.
Both Fox and CNN are showing Romney leading Broward county with 272,000 votes.
McCain only got 237,000 in Broward in 2008.
Something is messed up.
u just saved my life!!! i owe u!!!
I'm not watching TV - can't stand the voices. I have Big Bang Theory playing and am tabbing betwixt Foxnews and Politico on the laptop.
Seems I can recall not too many years ago listening to Rather calling Florida for Gore and that was the end of the race. I also seem to recall waking up the next morning to those same folks eating crow.
It ain't over till it's over...
Fox news is crying the blues already
WTF FLORIDA?
Folks, the supervisor of elections in Broward has messed up, Nothing coming out of Florida right now is accurate. Trust me on this, someone [bleep] up real bad in Broward.
WTF OHIO
Folks, the supervisor of elections in Broward has messed up, Nothing coming out of Florida right now is accurate. Trust me on this, someone [bleep] up real bad in Broward.
SOURCE?
Broward is heavily democratic, always has been. No way Romney is leading there.
Might not matter if Ohio doesn't fall.
And they still did not fix South Carolina. Good color, wrong numbers.
Shyt, I was right, both websites just wiped out the Broward county totals.
Seems I can recall not too many years ago listening to Rather calling Florida for Gore and that was the end of the race. I also seem to recall waking up the next morning to those same folks eating crow.
It ain't over till it's over...
AMEN!
GD that Linclon. The south should have been able to leave those freaking crazy bast ids in the NE behind.
Crap, add O'really to the list of muted.
You didn't miss anything.
Fox and CNN's websites had Romney and Obama's totals reversed.
That's what I figured happened and it's been verified by the fact both sites have now wiped the slate clean in Broward.
Mother#%@#ers. That county [bleep] up in every election.
Look at the house races in Ohio.
No wonder I have envisioned a freaking hampster every time I think of New Hampshire.
I feel sick to my stomach, like I did back in high school before football games.
Romney now up by 2% with 50% counted in Florida. See how stupid this is?
Thank God. This Obama nightmare needs to end.
And the NC governors race, the republican is up 55-43%
Fox and CNN's websites had Romney and Obama's totals reversed.
That's what I figured happened and it's been verified by the fact both sites have now wiped the slate clean in Broward.
Mother#%@#ers. That county [bleep] up in every election.
Yep. Politico is not showing anything for Florida.
CNN just wiped out the totals for Brevard as well. I think they had those reversed as well, though that should end up in our favor.
Rove is claiming good news for Fl, and Oh.
Karl Rove just talked me off the ledge!
ddj
Obama now up by 3% in Florida with 55% and the Broward totals corrected.
I still don't know man, I want to be positive but DAMN, I can't believe we're gonna win.
Rove can bite my ass - if Obama wins, it affects him a damned sight less than it does the rest of us.
What did rove say ? I need talked off.
Megyn is doing a great job.
Fox and CNN's websites had Romney and Obama's totals reversed.
That's what I figured happened and it's been verified by the fact both sites have now wiped the slate clean in Broward.
Mother#%@#ers. That county [bleep] up in every election.
This chit gets OLD,.....They (Broward) damn sure need to be sorted out,.....or taken OFF of the roster.
GTC
Fox web page has RR getting AR.
Not bad, still got the panhandle to count.
bammy's going to lose michigan
If fox is legit, Ohio is FUBAR.
FL better fall into place right quick.
Go panhandlers would be an Obama cheer.
If fox is legit, Ohio is FUBAR.
FL better fall into place right quick.
Which makes me believe there was some incredible fraud there.
That's the problem with a race going down to one state - the Dems can just fraud the hell outta one place instead of all over (harder).
Isn't Broward & Dade located in Cuba?
Not panhandlers. The panhandle of Florida!
Rove said that the numbers of voters in both Ohio and Florida favor the Republicans. Both Florida and Ohio look better than in 2008.
ddj
! see u guys in the morin ...praying.........
From that county map of Florida on Fox, looks like my county is going blue. Damned college students and professors.
Romney doing very well in VA. with over 30% of precincts reporting.
56 - 42 Romney.
Looks like Mitt will carry this one.
Karl Rove just talked me off the ledge!
ddj
Agree. I've never in my 63 years have been as keyed up as I am for this one. Frankly, if this electorate, or 48-50% of it, votes this guy back in, this is no longer a country I believe in or that is mine. Bill O'--I could tell in his demeanor, he believes this country has devolved into a country of takers, not givers!
Karl Rove, in a moment, instilled hope again. Let's go, not for me, but for my kids and grand kids--yours too!
Where's the Prozac?
I wouldn't count Ohio out. They've absorbed much of the big metro counts with lots of rural counties still to be counted.
Probably means nothing without Oh.
From that county map of Florida on Fox, looks like my county is going blue. Damned college students and professors.
Welcome to my world. Now add Masshole transplants.......
George
I agree George. I might need a xanax.
ddj
Huckabee was pretty upbeat a few minutes ago. This is a long ways from over.
VA is looking better but FL needs to step up.
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
With the left coast and NY O still needs 103 more electorial votes.
The [bleep] independents are killing us in Florida.
Alan
I can't believe North Carolina...amazing.
[bleep].. better go buy powder and primers tomorrow.. they are going to get scarce.
Fellers, don't crawl out on any ledges UNLESS you can take some Dems with you. At least make it worthwhile..........
Gents...settle down. These swing states aren't close to being called. Sit patient for a while.
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
ACORN
I knew it wouldn't be a landslide. Too many dummies around for that to happen.
Romney closing the gap in Forida with 61% in 50-49 Bammie
Thought I heard FOX call NC for Romney?
Slolitico has NC basically a tie.
WTF OHIO???
WTF OHIO???
Only 22% counted, as per FOX.
Ohio is a million votes away from anyone having any idea. It's close in the swing states. We won't know anything solid for another 90 minutes or so.
Southern Ohio will come in for Romney. It will tighten up.
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
Republicans insist on muddying the waters with social issues and foreign policy instead of simply focusing on fiscal restraint and smaller government.
Well, bad night not to drink. Let's keep our hopes high, gentlemen.
[bleep].. better go buy powder and primers tomorrow.. they are going to get scarce.
I sure hope the hell your wrong!
But if the [bleep] wins, or steals this election, gun sales & ammo/reloading components will sell like there is no tomorrow! We will have record sales in the firearm industry that will be un-equaled in our Lifetime. Not to mention the fact the Gun Store shelfs will be empty by Christmas, if the election goes south.
God help us all if BamBam wins this one.
From that county map of Florida on Fox, looks like my county is going blue. Damned college students and professors.
I trust you voted for R, in spite of your proclivities..thanks.
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
Republicans insist on muddying the waters with social issues and foreign policy instead of simply focusing on fiscal restraint and smaller government.
If this isn't the GD Truth. REpublican feet are just too big for their mouths.
Alan
You'll need slings to go with those new rifles so Keep Scenar & I in mind! LOL
It's far from over fellas. Gonna be a long night.
They got Brevard county fixed in Florida now and Romney's less than a % point behind.
I hope we hear a concession speech from that lying prick tonight...
Even if Romney wins I have serious doubts about the chances of survival for a country with this level of stupidity after watching how many are voting for Obama.
(R)Tom Smith loses his bid for the Senate in Pennsylvania.
Crap.
They got Brevard county fixed in Florida now and Romney's less than a % point behind.
The Panhandle will deliver Florida.
Romney now only 4000 votes behind with 71% in, in Florida.
God bless it, it's 2000 all over again.
RR leading by almost 1M popular votes.
Alan
I knew RR wouldn't take MI.
Fox is calling it for OB
Florida a dead heat with 71% reporting. 50/50
I guess the Catholics in Ohio are union members and those in Florida are democrats.
RR leading by almost 1M popular votes.
Alan
I'd trade all of them for another 170 EC votes....
I guess the Catholics in Ohio are union members.
This Wis. catholic union worker voted RR!
Romney now only 4000 votes behind with 71% in, in Florida.
God bless it, it's 2000 all over again.
Like I said, the [bleep] selfish, self rightious independents are gonna kill us.
Alan
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
Republicans insist on muddying the waters with social issues and foreign policy instead of simply focusing on fiscal restraint and smaller government.
BINGO!!
This is the best election news feed available. All taters, no greens.
I could see more people coming from rural communities to vote in this election than usual. I think that could translate to more swings for Romney in the later hours. Just something I thunk up. Probably bs.
Carry on.
I'm struggling to understand how this isn't a landslide for Romney.........
$6 TRILLION in new debt, and more on the way, apparently doesn't phase alot of folks. This isn't the country I grew up in.
Republicans insist on muddying the waters with social issues and foreign policy instead of simply focusing on fiscal restraint and smaller government.
Very true, Republicans are somewhat lost on the social issues, as if they wanted to loose...
Romney just took the lead in Florida but it's tenuous. Too much of Broward and Miami not counted.
All I've heard for months is how the independents go for the challenger.
Obama is gonna take it. With the wonderful justice department on side, we are hosed. 4 more years of this crap and god knows what the golf guy will do. I know he won't do any good but he will do something. I guess the first 4 was practice......
I do feel sorry for berry, look at what he inherited. Who will he blame now?
All I've heard for months is how the independents go for the challenger.
Same with absolutely zero data to back that up.
IMO - it's over. BHO won. No way Mitt gets Ohio or WI at this point.
Florida is seriously within 11 votes right now...
Republicans insist on muddying the waters with social issues and foreign policy instead of simply focusing on fiscal restraint and smaller government.
I forgot that Republicans made the entire election about abortion and women's rights..... oh, wait... that wasn't them, was it?
Think then type. It helps.
Uh OH, PA just went Obama. Gotta have OHIO now.
Fox just called PA for the clown in the white house. [bleep]!
All I've heard for months is how the independents go for the challenger.
Same with absolutely zero data to back that up.
IMO - it's over. BHO won. No way Mitt gets Ohio or WI at this point.
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Too funny!
Hells Bells! Look at Colorado!
Alan
All I've heard for months is how the independents go for the challenger.
Same with absolutely zero data to back that up.
IMO - it's over. BHO won. No way Mitt gets Ohio or WI at this point.
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Too funny!
If he didn't win PA, the odds of OH and WI are damned slim.
I'm certainly not seeing the 300+ EC votes people here were calling for Romney. I've been telling you -he doesn't get WI.
Uh OH, PA just went Obama. Gotta have OHIO now.
Yup. You can say/hope/pray/think whatever you want, but without Ohio this thing is over. And it isn't looking good...
Almost a third of NRA members live in PA?
Florida,Va,Colorado and Ohio are still in play. Relax folks You won't know for another hour or so. NH is still in play.
Quit the silly doomsayer chatter.
I guess the Catholics in Ohio are union members and those in Florida are democrats.
Its the Catholics fault.
Damn you post some dumb ass stuff eyeball.
The only funny thing right now is George Azzclown Will's prediction!
Even if Romney wins I have serious doubts about the chances of survival for a country with this level of stupidity after watching how many are voting for Obama.
Yep.
PA is cutting their own throats along with ours.
What has O done for PA other than place them on unemployment?
Quit the silly doomsayer chatter.
It's not "doomsayer chatter," it's math. Ohio must go for Romney or he loses.
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
Seattle radio essentially calling Ohio for Obama. Game, set, match.
Need a big change in Ohio and for Bammies momentum to slow in Virginia.
Quit the silly doomsayer chatter.
It's not "doomsayer chatter," it's math. Ohio must go for Romney or he loses.
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Well,actually that's not true but,Ohio isn't close to being called. Way too close still.
Relax.
I fully expected a majority of the Libtard's to wake up and vote ZERO out, it is obvious now, this once great country will never recover from mass stupidity.
Fox just called PA for the clown in the white house. [bleep]!
All those clowns in P.A. Can just kiss my Rebel Azz! In my dealings in the business world, they are the stupidest people I've ever met! All the smart ones migrated west years ago.
Nothing is all anyones fault and I never said so. I so wanted that turf to face the results of his treatment of the religious. Now, we can forget Benghazi and F&F.
Quit the silly doomsayer chatter.
It's not "doomsayer chatter," it's math. Ohio must go for Romney or he loses.
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Well,actually that's not true but,Ohio isn't close to being called. Way too close still.
Relax.
It's true unless the mother of all surprises pop up out of nowhere; i.e. California goes for Romney. But, if there are no surprises, it comes down to Ohio. But, I agree, there is some time left for Ohio--it just needs to turn around soon.
Fox just called PA for the clown in the white house. [bleep]!
All those clowns in P.A. Can just kiss my Rebel Azz! In my dealings in the business world, they are the stupidest people I've ever met! All the smart ones migrated west years ago.
Theres still some good ones here, but the [bleep] in Philly breed too fast, and bring all their druggy cousins from NY....im bout ready to pull out of this [bleep] hole!!!!
Seattle radio essentially calling Ohio for Obama. Game, set, match.
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And they called Florida for Obama 2 hours ago. Those Seattle radio jockeys are some shining stars,that's for sure.
All those clowns in P.A. Can just kiss my Rebel Azz! In my dealings in the business world, they are the stupidest people I've ever met! All the smart ones migrated west years ago.
+1, PA is just an extension of New Jersey.....lot of dillrods there.
The Cheese State Dumb asses just when for the Muslim
Conservative radio in Seattle essentially giving election to Obama.
Fat lady is singing boys. We have just witnessed the death of the USA that we all love.
Quit the silly doomsayer chatter.
It's not "doomsayer chatter," it's math. Ohio must go for Romney or he loses.
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Well,actually that's not true but,Ohio isn't close to being called. Way too close still.
Relax.
It's true unless the mother of all surprises pop up out of nowhere; i.e. California goes for Romney. But, if there are no surprises, it comes down to Ohio. But, I agree, there is some time left for Ohio--it just needs to turn around soon.
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With Wisc going for Obama,Ohio just became more important. Maybe even vital.
+2, Just spent 10 days with the most stupid man I've ever met.
Because of so many damned welfare rats in places like Charlotte and Durham and so many damned Yankee transplants.
It's OVER - get used to it Bob - O V E R.
I guess I'll find out what it's like to be unemployed here shortly.
Remember I've been saying we'll be just exactly like the Kerry supporters in 2004. All signs point to a win and we'll get beat.
[bleep] called it.
Maybe???
Ohio is everything now.
Electoral votes
Zero 153
President Romney 154
Keep praying!
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
I told you - NO WAY WI goes Romney and no one believed me.
Fox just called PA for the clown in the white house. [bleep]!
All those clowns in P.A. Can just kiss my Rebel Azz! In my dealings in the business world, they are the stupidest people I've ever met! All the smart ones migrated west years ago.
Theres still some good ones here, but the [bleep] in Philly breed too fast, and bring all their druggy cousins from NY....im bout ready to pull out of this [bleep] hole!!!!
Agreed. Sorry to generalize. I know there are still a few good guys left there. I'd dang sure be moving, if I was in your boat.
600 vote difference in Florida.
Probably for the best - destroy the country as we know it and start over.
Maybe???
Ohio is everything now.
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Yes,after Wisc,that's what I said. But,don't toss away Florida and Ohio yet. Way too early.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
Exactly, we are now the minority.
Right now the map looks no different than the 285 vote Romney map if he can pick up NC, VA, FL, and OH.
Can't believe it's this close....we need some chlorine in the gene pool...
If he didn't get PA, MI or WI - he's not getting OH.
He might get the rest but he's not getting OH.
It isn't who gets elected to the oval office that will destroy this country, the amount of people who are still in the tank for a loser like Obama will be the downfall of America . American voters are the ones who will and are taking down the the USA. We don't have a chance with the dumbing down of the people who now vote.
You don't mind if I wait for the actual count,do you?
My wife just asked me about the military ballots in Florida. Sadly, I responded that they either never got to the troops or they will never be counted.
Fox just called PA for the clown in the white house. [bleep]!
Looking bad. Florida is close, and not looking too good. Even if we win Florida by some very good luck, we will likely lose Ohio, and we're screwed with another four years.
I don't see how they can call a state with 3% reporting and the guy losing ahead. Then again, I'm not a statistician.
My wife just asked me about the military ballots in Florida. Sadly, I responded that they either never got to the troops or they will never be counted.
Go right ahead but IIRC there was a large contingent here that felt Mitt was gonna take WI - didn't happen.
Right now those like me who said it would end up like 2004 just the other end of the stick are the ones who have it right.
It doesn't matter WHO votes, what matters is who COUNTS them and on that - the R's refuse to play the same game and will continue to lose until they do.
I'm only seeing 21% of the vote counted in Ohio and 7% difference...
long ways from over...
They are saying RR has to win Ohio or it's over.
We just lost Lugar's Senate seat. Must have been God's will.
Romney has to pick up FL, VA, NC, and OH to win now.
Why has Wisc. been called?
3% of the vote counted and Romney is leading....
They got Brevard county fixed in Florida now and Romney's less than a % point behind.
The Panhandle will deliver Florida.
I pray for southern ohio to come thru
When did you become a
we? miles
Looks like it over but the D's that are working are going to be looking for work. The rest of it is all going to get outsoured. Good night and welcome to the USSA!
Romney has to pick up FL, VA, NC, and OH to win now.
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And one other.
I'm still thinking it could be a late evening Florida dead heat type situation.
There are still 1.4 million votes to count in Florida;much more in Ohio.
Why has Wisc. been called?
3% of the vote counted and Romney is leading....
I don't get that either?
You may be right, but it's kind of early to count those chickens yet, isn't it?
I'm still amazed after all these years that any of you actually expect something to go the way Bob predicts. He's got death and taxes beaten.
To he'll with Rush (60% of America is conservative), Dick Morris, George Will, Michael Barone, and Carl Rove.
Santa Rosa county in FL hasn't been counted at all yet, but there's still a lot of Miami and Lauderdale to be counted.
I'm still amazed after all these years that any of you actually expect something to go the way Bob predicts. He's got death and taxes beaten.
Why has Wisc. been called?
3% of the vote counted and Romney is leading....
Most likely depends on where the 3% came from...
It doesn't matter WHO votes, what matters is who COUNTS them and on that - the R's refuse to play the same game and will continue to lose until they do.
This.
I'm still amazed after all these years that any of you actually expect something to go the way Bob predicts. He's got death and taxes beaten.
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What prediction. You predicted the same thing, maybe it's you.
Just a quick observation - If you watch Fox you get the feeling Obama is winning. If you watch CNN you get the feeling Romney is winning.
I would have expected the opposite.
Not over till the Fat lady sings!
To he'll with Rush (60% of America is conservative), Dick Morris, George Will, Michael Barone, and Carl Rove.
Those guys are in such a position that either party doesn't affect themselves as much. They have little skin in the game and thus they say what makes them feel good, not truth.
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
Yes, but it won't likely happen.
I'm still amazed after all these years that any of you actually expect something to go the way Bob predicts. He's got death and taxes beaten.
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What prediction. You predicted the same thing, maybe it's you.
I never predicted Romney, only hoped not Obama.
Just a quick observation - If you watch Fox you get the feeling Obama is winning. If you watch CNN you get the feeling Romney is winning.
I would have expected the opposite.
Not over till the Fat lady sings!
Interesting.
I'm keeping track of Ohio. It's slowly moving in Romney's direction.
Ohio getting closer 52-46 with only 40% reporting.
The Senate races are a disaster.
Yeah, long from over...
same with Wisc.
I'm still amazed after all these years that any of you actually expect something to go the way Bob predicts. He's got death and taxes beaten.
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What prediction. You predicted the same thing, maybe it's you.
Laffin.
And I needed that. Hang in there fellas, he may still pull this out.
Yep. Tonmmy T just lost to the lesbian from Madison.
We're all going to hell.
Virginia has tightened up some.
Senate wise - Thompson over that bitch by 700 votes so far.
Hamilton Co Oh is tipping blue
the fat lady is clearing her throat gents
MA senate race lost. If you even want a country in 4 years the house is going to have to NUT up and vote no on everything.
Now azzwipe Boner is speaking.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
Exactly, we are now the minority.
Pat Buchanan's been warning about this for years.
Time to take to the hills, boys. We are losing this country.
Dems picking up a few Senate seats.
How the [bleep] are they calling wisconsin? Local TV has Romney upb
the Latinos will give Fla to BO
the gap is widening
Romney and Thompson up in Wi.
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
ONLY THEIR REPUTATION�
SO MUCH FOR THE CO. PROFESSOR POLE.
so much for no zero yard or bumper signs.
FREAKING UNREAL.
Go to Illinois map of counties, run your mouse over counties that are blue....which is all of them.....Tell me if you see what I am seeing..... Not that its going to change anything but seems alot are showing spread going to Mitt and being checked for O as a win. Even at 60-30 percentage spreads...
Wheeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!
Ohio has closed to 5% difference...
29% in
When did you become a
we? miles
I've been a registered Republican since I turned 18 and cast my first vote for Ronald Reagan. My problem with the Republicans is their leftward tilt of late.
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
Exactly and basically anyone who thinks that anyone else would have won is phuggin delusional.
Think I'm going to turn off the TV and go start buying ammo components.......
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
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LMAO...no,they did not. My word some of you are out there.
it's all about algorithms. they know x% voted, x% voted this way and that way last time and they run the numbers.
At this moment
FOX
Romney 153
Obama 157
CNN
Romney 152
Obama 143
ONLY THEIR REPUTATION�
SO MUCH FOR THE CO. PROFESSOR POLE.
so much for no zero yard or bumper signs.
FREAKING UNREAL.
You can't spend reputation. What do they care? They trot out the line to get republicans to go a certain way - donate millions but it doesn't necessarily mean that's what will happen.
Their living advertisements for the party - not people to give a true calling of events.
How contradictory, New Hampshire's state motto and the fact that it went O....
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
You have a different CNN channel than the rest of us?
Get used to four more years of BHO.
it's all about algorithms. they know x% voted, x% voted this way and that way last time and they run the numbers.
Prob also depends on just where those reported results come in and by what margin.
If RR wins a county by 2% but should have won it by 20% and that's the only result that came in - they believe he/they aren't going to carry the state.
New Hampshire went Obama. They need to drop their state motto.
it's all about algorithms. they know x% voted, x% voted this way and that way last time and they run the numbers.
From what I am seeing still a pretty impressive spread....
Now azzwipe Boner is speaking.
Sounds like a concession speech for RR.
... PA is just an extension of New Jersey South Jersey.....lot of dillrods there.
fixed.
North NJ is more in line w/ NY and CT. Just sayin.
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
You have a different CNN channel than the rest of us?
Nope. They said with the Western states yet to be counted, it is mathematically impossible for Obama to lose. Just need to listen to what they are really saying.
Maybe I'll lay off everyone tomorrow and join the FSA (Free Schit Army) and see how it takes to implode.
The sad thing is not that O is headed for a win, but that our country is arrived at the point where we have that many people who prefer his socialistic ideas and policies over the principles that this country was founded upon. Not just to elect him once, but to reelect the bastard.
Make sure you keep working though, someone needs to keep feeding the fifty something percent.
4% difference in Ohio now...
34% in
it's closing...
Been saying if for years, it ain't Obama, it's the slugs whom are you neighbors, friends, family etc.
I doubt I will ever step foot in my FIL's house.
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
You have a different CNN channel than the rest of us?
Nope. They said with the Western states yet to be counted, it is mathematically impossible for Obama to lose. Just need to listen to what they are really saying.
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Whoever you're listening to aren't very bright at all.
Just called:
FOX
Romney 162
Obama 157
CNN
Romney 158
Obama 143
4% difference in Ohio now...
34% in
it's closing...
Nope, it is over. The networks aren't calling it because they don't want to lose the viewers yet.
I'll be real happy if I'm wrong.
The very first hard look you need to take is at the largest demographic recipients of state largesse. White females. Yeah, there are larger percentages in groups, but white females have the highest absolute numbers. They LOVE Obamacare. They love anything and everything that allows them to breed and live without responsibility (in general. There are exceptions). You would do well to keep this in mind.
The sad thing is not that O is headed for a win, but that our country is arrived at the point where we have that many people who prefer his socialistic ideas and policies over the principles that this country was founded upon. Not just to elect him once, but to reelect the bastard.
"Democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury." (It's not certain who said it first, but it's true nonetheless).
In most basic terms, democracy is nothing more than 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner.
CNN giving election to Zero. Romney didn't even last until 7:00 pm.
You have a different CNN channel than the rest of us?
Nope. They said with the Western states yet to be counted, it is mathematically impossible for Obama to lose. Just need to listen to what they are really saying.
No they didn't, they said that without Ohio, it is impossible. They wouldn't say something that stupid as it is completely unfounded.
However it isn't looking good for Romney.
The Senate races are a disaster.
There's the real story.
The very first hard look you need to take is at the largest demographic recipients of state largesse. White females. Yeah, there are larger percentages in groups, but white females have the highest absolute numbers. They LOVE Obamacare. They love anything and everything that allows them to breed and live without responsibility (in general. There are exceptions). You would do well to keep this in mind.
Agreed with COMPLETELY.
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
It is painfully obvious.
The Mrs just asked me to open a bottle of liquor. I think she's worried.
Really? If Romney wins Florida,Ohio,Va,NC and Colorado,what does that total up in EC votes by your math?
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Really? If Romney wins Florida,Ohio,Va,NC and Colorado,what does that total up in EC votes by your math?
If, if, if - just not going to happen.
Really? If Romney wins Florida,Ohio,Va,NC and Colorado,what does that total up in EC votes by your math?
That would be a Romney win but look at the numbers AND he has to pick up every one of those.
Many knew this was going too be to close because Romney did not pick Rubio. Even Romney knew that!
The Senate races are a disaster.
There's the real story.
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It wasn't expected we'd take over the Senate but just draw closer to a even split. Hopefully Allen will help keep the differences near the same as last term.
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
EXACTLY!
The sad thing is not that O is headed for a win, but that our country is arrived at the point where we have that many people who prefer his socialistic ideas and policies over the principles that this country was founded upon. Not just to elect him once, but to reelect the bastard.
Yep. I'm stunned that voting has gone the way it has in light of how Obama has performed these last 4 years. Sad, just sad. Even if Romney ekes out a win, we are witnessing the end of America as we have known it.
I personally would LOVE to see the Tea Party sponsor a candidate. Not on the republican ticket but on a Tea Party ticket...
John
Really? If Romney wins Florida,Ohio,Va,NC and Colorado,what does that total up in EC votes by your math?
If, if, if - just not going to happen.
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Then [bleep] lay down and die,Andrew. We roll differently. It's all IFS,of course. What else would it be?
White women are politically as stupid as any group you'll find.
But they're are a few on this thread that act like emotional females with their erroneous, unfactual reports.
Two in particular have been screaming defeat before the polls even closed.
How would you like to share a foxhole with them. LOL
"We're all gonna die!"
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Well, I want to thank Mitt for busting his azz trying to save us from the lying POS POTUS, but To he'll with following the RINO RNC platform and that of Peggy Noonan of taking the high road. Dims win by taking the low road every time.
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Christie is done. Fat [bleep] needs to choke on a chicken wing.
Look on the bright side guys - Jesse Jackson, Jr. was reelected. So, the Republic has that going for it.
New Hampshire just went blue.
I can't wait to hear what all the "its not going to be close" people have to say about this
Whoa my friend. Save the "fierce" for true enemies. Don't confuse objective analysis with passionate desire.
All of us here are hoping/praying for a Romney win, but since Ohio is a "must have" it isn't looking good. That's all...
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
Not just demographics: the GOP does everything wrong, just as if they wanted to make it an easy win for the Democrats.
Years of crap school systems give you this kind of result. Nobody can do simple math. You can tax everyone who makes $250k or more at 100% (and make the gigantic assumption that they continue to make money each year) and you still can't cover the amount we already are on the hook for.
Get your free schit while you can and join the FSA.
Really? If Romney wins Florida,Ohio,Va,NC and Colorado,what does that total up in EC votes by your math?
If, if, if - just not going to happen.
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Then [bleep] lay down and die,Andrew. We roll differently. It's all IFS,of course. What else would it be?
Reality is where I live and where I've lived the past 2 months. Get pissy all you want but the truth is - we're [bleep] and hoping it isn't going to happen isn't the mark of a rational thinker.
White women are as stupid as any group you'll find.
+1
A few good ones out there, but as a group, they suck.
Don�t forget N Carolina and Virginia have not been called yet as well as Florida and Ohio.
Just called:
FOX
Romney 162
Obama 157
CNN
Romney 158
Obama 147
I can't wait to hear what all the "its not going to be close" people have to say about this
,..at least it didn't go to a 3rd party candidate.
Morris just tweeted: if we win Fla, NC, Va, Ohio and Iowa and lose Nevada and Colorado, it is a tie 270-270 and we win it in the House
This country is completely [bleep]!
Worst case scenario is Dems keep the WH and Senate. The Reps keep the House. Same as the last two years.
I personally would LOVE to see the Tea Party sponsor a candidate. Not on the republican ticket but on a Tea Party ticket...
John
It would get squashed. HARD.
If those who consider themselves to be ardent tea party types couldn't vote for RR to keep BB out of the office - there's no way they'd be able to settle on one Tea Party candidate to support and in enough numbers to win.
Teal will tell you about reality in a post or two.
I can't wait to hear what all the "its not going to be close" people have to say about this
,..at least it didn't go to a 3rd party candidate.
I hope we don't have a bunch of people jumping out of tree stands tomorrow
Maybe or likely probably it's because I want it to happen but I still say Romney can take Wi. As more votes come in obummer isn't closing in on him. How they call it for the guy losing I don't get.
Michigan is closer than other states they won't call too.
Morris just tweeted: if we win Fla, NC, Va, Ohio and Iowa and lose Nevada and Colorado, it is a tie 270-270 and we win it in the House
Something to hope for, anyway.
It's been over for two hours. Now the networks are milking it for the last dollar of commercial bucks.
I'm stunned that voting has gone the way it has in light of how Obama has performed these last 4 years. Sad, just sad. Even if Romney ekes out a win, we are witnessing the end of America as we have known it.
Yep. Either way, our country is changing for the worse................probably permanently.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
All I have to say at this point is ....
[bleep] !!!
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
Not just demographics: the GOP does everything wrong, just as if they wanted to make it an easy win for the Democrats.
Romney ran a damn good campaign. You have an ever increasing welfare population, a media that is 90% affiliated with an incumbent president and all the advantages that go with that, and we're still sitting here with him less than a %1 away in the biggest swing state and a couple points in the second swing state and that's all he needs to win.
Ronald Reagan would have trouble with a media as biased and unethical as it is today.
Teal will tell you about reality in a post or two.
My reality is apparently better than yours at this point.
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Christie is done. Fat [bleep] needs to choke on a chicken wing.
BS - he'll be the RNC's next presidential candidate. Mark my words.
Worst case scenario is Dems keep the WH and Senate. The Reps keep the House. Same as the last two years.
Worst case is what happens to the Supreme Court. Kiss the Second Amendment goodbye sometime during the next 4 years.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I hear you, think I'll go shoot a few deer in the ass tomorrow and not find them.
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
Yes, but it won't likely happen.
I am afraid you are right.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
That's right,...that's right,..
As long as the GOP can keep the constitutional originalists from taking over the party,...there's hope (and change)
Teal will tell you about reality in a post or two.
My reality is apparently better than yours at this point.
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It's been your reality since page 3. I'll have to make sure you know how much the ND and GB games are over in the 3rd quarter.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I busted my ass over the last 12 years to not be eating other people's left overs, to stop getting clothes at shelters, to being able to afford to have the heat on in my house, to own a car, to put clothes on my son, to afford simple things like fresh food - and this election is going to put me right back there.
Excuse me if that bothers me just a little bit.
Romney still up big in Wisc....
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Christie is done. Fat [bleep] needs to choke on a chicken wing.
BS - he'll be the RNC's next presidential candidate. Mark my words.
and they'll be no shortage of people telling me to vote for him if I want to save America
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
laura Ingram hit the nail on the head. The fact that the Republican party isn't blowing BHO out with his record, even if Romney eeks this out, is a clear sign that they need to strip the party down and start over. I have to agree.
It's not politics, it's demographics.
Not just demographics: the GOP does everything wrong, just as if they wanted to make it an easy win for the Democrats.
Romney ran a damn good campaign. You have an ever increasing welfare population, a media that is 90% affiliated with an incumbent president and all the advantages that go with that, and we're still sitting here with him less than a %1 away in the biggest swing state and a couple points in the second swing state and that's all he needs to win.
Ronald Reagan would have trouble with a media as biased and unethical as it is today.
I have to agree. I absolutely loathed Romney's candidacy when it started out, but said that I would still support the Republican candidate. I'm certainly not willing to concede yet, even though it is looking bleak. That said, I have to tip my hat to Romney. He got better and better and ran a solid campaign. Much better than McCain. My hat is off to Mitt regardless of how this pans out.
That 'social issues' are issues for anyone pulling a switch is a problem.
NM went blue - as expected.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I hear you, think I'll go shoot a few deer in the ass tomorrow and not find them.
You hnting with Jeff O tomorrow?
All I have to say at this point is ....
[bleep] !!!
Yep.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I busted my ass over the last 12 years to not be eating other people's left overs, to stop getting clothes at shelters, to being able to afford to have the heat on in my house, to own a car, to put clothes on my son, to afford simple things like fresh food - and this election is going to put me right back there.
Excuse me if that bothers me just a little bit.
I'm getting angrier by the minute, but I don't know what I can do about a [bleep] thing.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I hear you, think I'll go shoot a few deer in the ass tomorrow and not find them.
Naw
You'll just be bitching and moaning about how stupid everyone else is and how great you are.
You got that whole cocksukker thing down pat.
Obama winning Colorado 51/47 with over half reporting?
Didn't think Colorado had that many dumbasses in it.
At this point - the best thing I can hope for is that Politico is so slow to call things because they've got the best handle on results and are making sure states are what they call.
If so - there's hope.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I hear you, think I'll go shoot a few deer in the ass tomorrow and not find them.
Naw
You'll just be bitching and moaning about how stupid everyone else is and how great you are.
You got that whole cocksukker thing down pat.
I ain't the idiot loosing deer by the moment and I'm fairly certain your husband would disagree about who has the crank sucking thing worked out (that's a hint dick breath)
Voter fraud in Ohio. Two officials replaced.
Rove is making me feel better.
Obama winning Colorado 51/47 with over half reporting?
Didn't think Colorado had that many dumbasses in it.
JM, I didn't either, but I was way off it seems. This schit is scaring the heck out of me.
Hate to say it but it looks to be a BHO blowout. The networks are milking it for all it's worth.
I ain't the idiot loosing deer by the moment and I'm fairly certain your husband would disagree about who has the crank sucking thing worked out (that's a hint dick breath)
Jump back!!
You sure got me there.
2% difference in Ohio..
53% reporting
Laffin.
Even when things look like they may be headed for the schitter, you can always grab a laugh at this place.
Figured it was strap-on night at your place again.
Obama winning Colorado 51/47 with over half reporting?
Didn't think Colorado had that many dumbasses in it.
Nah, of the 2 dozen or so people I have met from CO, every last one of them was a stoner hippie.
NC, surprised. Scary close.
The gun industry is going to be happy.
The gun industry is going to be happy.
Ain't that the truth...
Ohio and Florida may end up in a recount. Va and NC looking good for Romney as of now.
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Christie is done. Fat [bleep] needs to choke on a chicken wing.
BS - he'll be the RNC's next presidential candidate. Mark my words.
after his showing with obama, he would probably win the presidency, becasue he's shown what the majority of the nation wants, someone that will work across the isle. even if its been one fleeting glimpse
2 judges in Ohio removed for voter fraud. Just heard it.
Figured it was strap-on night at your place again.
lol
You're a one trick pony if there ever was one.
I cant tell you how ashamed I am of my state. Im seriously almost sick to my stomach.
Even if Obama wins, the sun will still come up tomorrow morning and you'll still have family who loves you.
Some of you sound like old women ready to give up because things got a little bit tougher. Man up just a little bit.
I sure hope Romney wins!
But I look on the bright side. If Obama wins it sure is going to be fun watching people squirm and whine on here.
thats my thoughts as well.
Who is Obama gonna blame for the mess he inherits on Inauguration Day?
If Christie was Prez, they would have to convert a C-6 Galaxy into Air Force One to haul his fat ass around.
I cant tell you how ashamed I am of my state. Im seriously almost sick to my stomach.
Same here. I'm in Ohio, wife is already talking of relocating if things go the way they appear to be going. I may puke before the night is through.
The gun industry is going to be happy.
so is Fox News
The gun industry is going to be happy.
Ain't that the truth...
I'll sell my extra AK at the gun show this weekend and likely do very well.
I would like to thank that fat ass from jersey
Yep.
Christie is done. Fat [bleep] needs to choke on a chicken wing.
BS - he'll be the RNC's next presidential candidate. Mark my words.
What??? hahahaha.....he'll be dead in a few years.
I cant tell you how ashamed I am of my state. Im seriously almost sick to my stomach.
Same here. I'm in Ohio, wife is already talking of relocating if things go the way they appear to be going. I may puke before the night is through.
ya but where the F would you go? look how close this race seems to be playing out! theres dumb [bleep] everywhere you go!
Figured it was strap-on night at your place again.
lol
You're a one trick pony if there ever was one.
I bet you know a few that have pulled many tricks.
Romney still up big in Wisc....
POLITICO has not called Wis. For Obama yet.
Ohio and Florida may end up in a recount. Va and NC looking good for Romney as of now.
If we can keep Romney from being a gentleman and conceding.
I cant tell you how ashamed I am of my state. Im seriously almost sick to my stomach.
Same here. I'm in Ohio, wife is already talking of relocating if things go the way they appear to be going. I may puke before the night is through.
ya but where the F would you go? look how close this race seems to be playing out! theres dumb [bleep] everywhere you go!
Sad but true...
Texas came up in conversation a few times...
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
Too true. And by doing that they give power to people who are against their fiscal positions AND their social positions: they lose on all fronts.
2 judges in Ohio removed for voter fraud. Just heard it.
If they arrested/convicted them immediately right there on the sidewalk - go a long way towards ending this mess of fraud.
Problem is - nothing will ever happen to them.
Obama pulling away in Florida...
You are all privlaged to witness the downfall of U.S.A
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
We need to dump the Great Lakes states. Their union stronghold will never change and we will never win there. They ensure a lib victory every time.
Obama pulling away in Florida...
Politico has it 49.9 to 49.2 with 90.3% reporting
Who is Obama gonna blame for the mess he inherits on Inauguration Day?
Excellent question.
Obama winning Colorado 51/47 with over half reporting?
Didn't think Colorado had that many dumbasses in it.
Denver is the problem...
Belay my last...
Romney closing in Florida 0.4% difference
Texas came up in conversation a few times...
Yep, Texas succeeding is looking pretty good right now! [bleep] all them Blue gum Libertard states!
Texas came up in conversation a few times...
If you wanted to change the country, it should be Texans headed for Ohio, not the other way around.
Obama pulling away in Florida...
Politico has it 49.9 to 49.2 with 90.3% reporting
Just changed to 49.7 to 49.3
Who is Obama gonna blame for the mess he inherits on Inauguration Day?
Excellent question.
He won't have to play the blame game cuz he won't have to justify himself in preparation for reelection.
That is what is so scary.
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
they aren't flexible enough for change. Its time for a new party
Romney just took Arizona. Ohio closing.
Hopefully NC and Va are called for Romney before too long.
Obama pulling away in Florida...
?
Less than 16,000 votes behind with 88% reporting. Obama's lead there has actually shrunk in the last 30 minutes.
Texas came up in conversation a few times...
If you wanted to change the country, it should be Texans headed for Ohio, not the other way around.
I'd be fine with that, just don't see it happening.
I bet you know a few that have pulled many tricks.
lol
Really man, is there a reason you're looking to get into it with me?
I mean I know your a miserable cocksukker who ain't happy unless have something to bitch about but seriously, I'm not worth your time or effort.
Go do your bitching and moaning routine with someone who might actually take you seriously.
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
It is impossible to separate fiscal conservatism from social liberalism. The DEMANDS for more and more money and taxes originates from the social liberalism. Like a guy whose wife ran the credit cards into the red zone. She wants him to INCREASE the debt limit rather than curtail the spending. AND she will demand that he pay the balance,NOT her. Social liberalism.
Romney just took Arizona. Ohio closing.
Hopefully NC and Va are called for Romney before too long.
From your mouth to God's ear.
Obama winning Colorado 51/47 with over half reporting?
Didn't think Colorado had that many dumbasses in it.
Denver is the problem...
Yep, basically the entire front range is massively liberal. As you move further West... you see a pretty huge shift. But that Denver/Boulder area under Jared Polesmoker is an absolute disgrace to Colorado.
Florida panhandle vote not in as yet.
I bet you know a few that have pulled many tricks.
lol
Really man, is there a reason you're looking to get into it with me?
I mean I know your a miserable cocksukker who ain't happy unless have something to bitch about but seriously, I'm not worth your time or effort.
Seriously SH rrroae finally gets one right!
Obama pulling away in Florida...
?
Less than 16,000 votes behind with 88% reporting. Obama's lead there has actually shrunk in the last 30 minutes.
yeah, I caught that right after I posted...
there was a minute where things went the other way
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
He's closed to within 1 point in Ohio, leads by 1 in NC and VA.
If he can get a little push in Florida this thing can come out good.
Lot of people complaining about Romney, but what candidate do you run that can out compete against the "Give away free schit to everyone" when almost 50% of the country is getting free schit.
We need to dump the Great Lakes states. Their union stronghold will never change and we will never win there. They ensure a lib victory every time.
Turn them over to us - we'd gladly take them! They're like us!
take heart my campfire brethern.
things look really bad right now.
and I agree, with the performance of the last 4 years, anything less than a landslide victory for Romney means this country is sick, very sick. Doesn't look optimistic that Romney will win.
it is indeed a sad day in America, the problem is with our urban voters (and hey who gave women the right to vote anyway?)
and while a lot of damage can take place in the next 4 years....
I opened with take heart. If Romney were elected and replaced Bernanke as he said he would do and tried to put a halt to QEIII, you'd have had a depressionary event inside the next year. We'd have all felt the pain.
Obama and a Dem Senate gives you a chance to prepare for what's coming, currency driven inflation and the dollar lose it's status as the world's reserve currency. You can pretty well bank upon it.
the numbers don't balance, no other way than for them to inflate the crap outa our currency, these next 4 years we're more than likely going to see a change to our lives that will make the Carter years of inflation pale by comparison.
call me goofy, but I predicted this would be a tight race and while I hoped for Romney that I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama win it.
you're gonna see inflation in spades. And a whole host of problems to go with it. Get your living expenses down as low as you can. There's still a bit of time to prepare for the storm coming that all those kite check writing SOBs on both sides of the aisle have created with all their hot air!
but if the GOP answer for this next bigger mess our country will be in is Chris Christie, then the fooking GOP can kiss my fat azz!
bunker mentality, someone mentioned foxhole, it's time to start figuring out where your foxhole or bunker is gonna be and stockpile it.
Andrew....reality remember?? It was [bleep] over 3 pages ago,my friend.
49.5 to 49.7 in Florida. getting closer
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
I'm guessing I'll be out of a job in less than a year if the dip sh*t wins
We need to dump the Great Lakes states. Their union stronghold will never change and we will never win there. They ensure a lib victory every time.
Exactly! The communist unions are destroying this nation from the inside.
I'm going to hit the sack with hope for a better day tomorrow. Miracles have been known to happen.
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
I'm guessing I'll be out of a job in less than a year if the dip sh*t wins
You're working for the military-industrial complex?
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
That is exactly it.
Andrew....reality remember?? It was [bleep] over 3 pages ago,my friend.
It's a long damned way from "270 to Romney/Ryan"
Lot of people complaining about Romney, but what candidate do you run that can out compete against the "Give away free schit to everyone" when almost 50% of the country is getting free schit.
Yep. And telling people its not a good idea to piss away money, deficits are bad and they can't eat MickeyD's five times a day is
akin to saying "I won't fund your abortions".
Might be a hint in there...
3rd party could cost Florida
Map says Panhandle is nearly all in, and going for Romney. I hope that pushes him over the top.
There is some argument that the precincts that have not reported in VA are northern precincts that will be Obama dominated. Not claiming its true, just a talking head yapping. I had VA for Romney
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
I'm guessing I'll be out of a job in less than a year if the dip sh*t wins
Same here. Work in transportation.
When the economy's bad - people don't buy stuff. If people don't buy stuff there's very little reason to ship things from mfgs to consumers.
We're [bleep].
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
Some of us have already suffered through 4 years and aren't looking forward to another 4 (+).
Just saying.
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
It is impossible to separate fiscal conservatism from social liberalism. The DEMANDS for more and more money and taxes originates from the social liberalism. Like a guy whose wife ran the credit cards into the red zone. She wants him to INCREASE the debt limit rather than curtail the spending. AND she will demand that he pay the balance,NOT her. Social liberalism.
Exactly.
It's closing up in Florida and Ohio. If he maintains in VA and NC Romney can still win.
These cryin' ass naysayers need to look at the numbers.
It ain't over yet.
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
There's absolutely no reason you can't do well for you and your family despite the impedance of government. No matter who is in charge, there will always be those government roadblocks.
Just bull charge forward and give a big middle finger to any government crap that gets in your way.
Nearly 1.6Millon more popular votes for Romney and still.........
When the Nuts and Flakes start reporting It's not going to be pretty.
Alan
The republicans would win the Senate and the Whitehouse in a walk this year were it not for their stupid positions on social issues. On fiscal issues, they have it hands down, but they blow it on the social ones.
I have to agree.
Fiscal conservatism is fine. Social conservatism obviously is not, and can be directly blamed for 2 gimme senate seat losses (Indiana and Missouri). Women and Latinos make up a large portion of the electorate, and too much crap being spewed by social conservatives is putting them off.
It just seems obvious that Republicans will NEVER win another national election with only ~30% of the Latino/Hispanic vote. Time to shut the hell up about border fences and deportation?
Same story for male vs. female voters. 54% to 44% losses won't do it. Time to shut the hell up about rape and contraception.
Want limited government? Want low taxes? Want balanced budgets? Apparently they'll come with strings attached from now on - social libertarianism.
It is impossible to separate fiscal conservatism from social liberalism. The DEMANDS for more and more money and taxes originates from the social liberalism. Like a guy whose wife ran the credit cards into the red zone. She wants him to INCREASE the debt limit rather than curtail the spending. AND she will demand that he pay the balance,NOT her. Social liberalism.
Exactly.
Well stated, Jim.
I just saw Romney up 184 to 163 in electoral votes and by over 2 million pop votes. He's up in a lot of states that haven't been called, very close in others - like Florida and even Ohio. Why so sad?
from what I'm seeing VA will go Obama after all but Ohio will probably go red.
At a min - Florida will get recounted. Good luck there.
VA - don't know, doesn't look good right now.
Where do you see that?
Everything I'm looking at shows Romney +1
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
There's absolutely no reason you can't do well for you and your family despite the impedance of government. No matter who is in charge, there will always be those government roadblocks.
Just bull charge forward and give a big middle finger to any government crap that gets in your way.
you obviously dont own a [bleep] business.....
If the vote is within 1% in Florida, it's an automatic recall, correct? Wonder what happens then...
There is some argument that the precincts that have not reported in VA are northern precincts that will be Obama dominated. Not claiming its true, just a talking head yapping. I had VA for Romney
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Fairfax and Loudoun are in so they may be waiting for Prince William and Fauquier. I hope these top 4 aren't all recount states.
There's a pack of votes coming in from the Left Coast that are all BHO's.
This is OVER.
White women are politically as stupid as any group you'll find.
But they're are a few on this thread that act like emotional females with their erroneous, unfactual reports.
Two in particular have been screaming defeat before the polls even closed.
How would you like to share a foxhole with them. LOL
"We're all gonna die!"
I would be your best asset in a foxhole. I would be the one dealing with reality and saying, "I need to kill 23 MFs to get us out of here" rather than, "Well, if we get 8 or 10 of them maybe the rest will go away on their own."
I just saw Romney up 184 to 163 in electoral votes and by over 2 million pop votes. He's up in a lot of states that haven't been called, very close in others - like Florida and even Ohio. Why so sad?
because it shouldnt even be this close
Geez JM! You keep catching my errors!!!
Thank you for that actually...
My tired eyes somehow read 49.8 - 48.8 as I reported it earlier...
I need glasses it seems...
Where do you see that?
Everything I'm looking at shows Romney +1
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R up by 24K votes last I checked.
USA Today just called NC for Romney
Obama just took over the lead in Wi.
USA Today just called NC for Romney
Yep - Politico called it too.
There's a pack of votes coming in from the Left Coast that are all BHO's.
This is OVER.
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Hush up,stupid. This is all about NC,Va,Ohio and Florida now.
I just saw Romney up 184 to 163 in electoral votes and by over 2 million pop votes. He's up in a lot of states that haven't been called, very close in others - like Florida and even Ohio. Why so sad?
Because the fact that it's a even a close race after how this clown has performed for the last four years shows how quickly our country is circling the drain.
Romney takes NC. 1 out of 4.
Most of the panhandle vote is it, Santa Rosa county is the hold out with 88% reporting. In south Florida you have Broward County with 84% reporting and Miami-Dade with 76% reporting.
No thanks. I don't shoot with pessimists, I shoot at them.
Romney wins North Carolina.
I think that OH is going to go Romney. The precincts that are out are likely to shift heavily for him.
VA is probably going to go R too.
Thinking we are going to have a repeat of 2000 on our hands.
Politico finally gave RR Alabama.
you obviously dont own a [bleep] business.....
Naw, self employed.
If I did, should I just give up?
Convert your employees to less than 32.5 hrs a week and skirt Obamacare if you need to. You know what you need to do to make it.
I know sure as schitt, laying down for an idiot politician isn't going to do anyone any good.
Florida is a real concern at this point.
RR getting smoked by almost 13 in Iowa.
The cali spike has been driven...................... Goin' to bed now
The map shows a very divided country......
Kaine beats Allen. [bleep],[bleep],[bleep]!
O is 26 EV's away from 270
I think that OH is going to go Romney. The precincts that are out are likely to shift heavily for him.
VA is probably going to go R too.
Thinking we are going to have a repeat of 2000 on our hands.
yes on OH, but wrong on VA.
I just saw Romney up 184 to 163 in electoral votes and by over 2 million pop votes. He's up in a lot of states that haven't been called, very close in others - like Florida and even Ohio. Why so sad?
Because the fact that it's a even a close race after how this clown has performed for the last four years shows how quickly our country is circling the drain.
No it doesn't. It shows that it's time to cowboy up. So yippy ki yay.
pretty fitting that individual liberty was conceived in Pennsylvania, and looks to have taken it's last breath there as well.
[bleep] all these urban chitholes
I'm with mathman... So blasted mad but don't know what to do... My stinking state is blue as always...wish eastern WA could hook up with Idaho!
CNN just called Wisc for Obama
Something very fishy in Miami-Dade county, Florida this election.
Every county in Florida has swung net positive or stayed the same since 2008. Only Dade county swung the opposite and 5% in Dade is a huge change.
Even bluer than blue Palm Beach county was a net 30,000 votes in favor of Romney since 2008 and yet we're to believe Dade changed 5% in only 4 years in a recession?
Some major voter fraud is the only way you get to those numbers.
Saw that.
Looking at the precincts left to report in Florida doesn't give me a warm feeling.
We'll see.
Never realized how many losers we had on here.
At Least NC didn't go for Obugger this time and we got rid of the crazy commie slut Bev Perdue as Governor.
89% of the vote is in for Ohio and Romney is down by 2% - this is on the local Cinci station
Politico refuses to call WI for some reason.
The map shows a very divided country......
LOL
Picked up on that did ya!?
Benjamin Franklin 1787: "We've given you a respresentative republic, if you can keep it". The American Experiment will die with a second term.
Missouri went to Romney IIRC.
Fox just gave MO to Romney
Kaine beats Allen. [bleep],[bleep],[bleep]!
I agree. Was really hoping Allen could pull it out.
I just saw Romney up 184 to 163 in electoral votes and by over 2 million pop votes. He's up in a lot of states that haven't been called, very close in others - like Florida and even Ohio. Why so sad?
Because the fact that it's a even a close race after how this clown has performed for the last four years shows how quickly our country is circling the drain.
No it doesn't. It shows that it's time to cowboy up. So yippy ki yay.
Except it's the conservative mind and values that won't allow what really needs to happen - a clearing of those things and people which are screwing the country.
CNBC says Oregon is too close to call. Really? Really???
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
Don't worry you will!
CNN just called Wisc for Obama
CNN could call my cell phone and say my house was on fire, and I would bother driving home.
I'd also use ANY other source for poll updates than those socialist lying [bleep]. Just sayin.....
CNBC says Oregon is too close to call. Really? Really???
Smells like a ratings grab.
CNBC says Oregon is too close to call. Really? Really???
No, not really. The PDX, Salem, Eugene and Bend will still steamroll everyone else and vote socialist.
Oregon will go for BHO. Done deal.
IF Obama wins do we all hope that the country goes into a tailspin the next 4 years so that there is real change at the next election? I'm willing to suffer through 4 years for some real lasting overhaul of our country.
ddj
There's absolutely no reason you can't do well for you and your family despite the impedance of government. No matter who is in charge, there will always be those government roadblocks.
Just bull charge forward and give a big middle finger to any government crap that gets in your way.
Trips...you're tripping!
At this point Romney is running out of time in Florida and Ohio.
The numbers need to start changing soon if he is going to have a shot at winning either of those states.
Oregon will go for BHO. Done deal.
No doubt. Plenty of left wing [bleep] there and in N. Cali.
I can't figure Politico and WI out - they have Romney up and Thompson up, not called it but Fox called it hours ago.
Can't see how they would have such different analysis. You'd think they would be fairly close.
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
I know Oregon's going to O. I'm incredulous that they'd even pretend that it's close.
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
Funny fact 3.) It won't.
I think a lot of people got caught up in this and that stuff and thought it would matter. Free Schit for everyone (and by everyone I mean those who voted for Obama) is hard to compete against when they number almost 50% who get free schit. That's pretty much what it boils down to.
Ohio to Obama. Obama takes the election. NBC news reports.
Am I the only one seeing that the throwaway votes for the Libertarian party in the close states would have swung those states to Romney rather easily (had they gone Republican, which is what I would think they would have chosen if voting realistically)?
It appears that at least in FL, VA, and OH it would have made the difference.
On a very small positive note, it looks like Allen West will win his seat.
Ohio to Obama. Dat's all, folks.
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
Funny fact 3.) It won't.
true, it won't.
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
Then I hope the 3rd party bitter little quacks are happy . You play that game local and primary, not in the major.
Obama gets Ohio.
Good night everyone.
I gave it my best. I'm done.
Enjoy your hunting season gents.
Fox called the election for Hussein.
Still 1.2 Million up on the popular vote for Romney. (I know it doesn't mean schitt but it's the only game I'm winning right now).
Alan
Why do you say that? I think the argument that most of the nonreporting precincts are in Northern VA puts it in the blue camp
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
UNFunny Fact 1.) The real "message" they sent was that they're short-sided, selfish, and care more about their friggin' right to schit the bed than they do helping to save the country. "Message" recieved!
KING5 Seattle says Obama wins.
Obama gets Ohio.
Good night everyone.
I gave it my best. I'm done.
Enjoy your hunting season gents.
Page 3 reality.
Let the countdown begin till those who make get tired of supporting those who take.
It does not matter, it's over.
Now can we start the armed revolt. Call it quackish tinfoil hat whatever u want but do u see a better way to get our country back
Stock up on your primers and powder boys.
It is almost time to watch people squirm and whine.
It's over because of third-party selfish morons! Talk about being foolish when it counts....
I would like to talk to someone at Politico - they're lagging on calling quite a bit of it.
What are their people seeing that causes them to be so much more patient than the others?
its not official until Dick Morris and Karl Rove say so
I need someone to post links to one of their articles telling me how Romney has it wrapped up
yup...my thoughts exactly.
UGH!
Looks like it's time to quit school and start saving money...
KING 5 reporting Dems may take house.
Honestly, I have only HATED one group of people in this world and that *was* Muslim's, they have now taken second place to Liberal's.
CNN called it all for Obama
Just called:
FOX gives Ohio to Obama
Romney 203
Obama 275
CNN
Romney 201
Obama 274
KING5 Seattle says Obama wins.
They finally got one right.
WQNZ on the River just said youre a [bleep].
The House will tell O to take a flying leap from this point on because they do have a mandate from those who reelected them. And the fiscal cliff looms. The fight has just begun.
Well, yesterday, my poopy poll gave it to Obama, when after three flushes, there were still turds in the bowl. It gave me a bad feeling then, and now it's come to pass.
Time to get some ammo loaded for deer season, which will still go on, at least for this year.
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
I guess those 2 Colorado professors can chuck their model in the trash...
Free Schit Army wins again.
This is the saddest day in American history.
What more can be said.
MM
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
UNFunny Fact 1.) The real "message" they sent was that they're short-sided, selfish, and care more about their friggin' right to schit the bed than they do helping to save the country. "Message" recieved!
I wonder how the Republican Party will treat the liberty movement at its convention in 2016.
A little better, maybe, would be my guess.
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
Silly you, thinking Obama and the democrats won't rack up 3x that much now that he knows there's no re-election on the line.
He should have got Rubio!
Just looked at Ohio's secretary of state sight. Obama is up .02%, and still precincts to report.
Why do you say that? I think the argument that most of the nonreporting precincts are in Northern VA puts it in the blue camp
One thing I heard was a lot of votes to be counted from Norfolk as well. Lots of possible military votes to go for Romney. It's really sad that northern VA is so full of liberals and transplanted yankees that they can turn a solid "red" state blue.
CNN called it all for Obama
They've been calling it for him for four years..........
It's over because of third-party selfish morons! Talk about being foolish when it counts....
It is over because the majority of people in this country are either lazy entitlement minded [bleep] or socialist/liberal bastids that hate the USA.
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
UNFunny Fact 1.) The real "message" they sent was that they're short-sided, selfish, and care more about their friggin' right to schit the bed than they do helping to save the country. "Message" recieved!
I wonder how the Republican Party will treat the liberty movement at its convention in 2016.
A little better, maybe, would be my guess.
Might just give them what they really deserve...a short rope.
We are F*****!!!! Time to start hording ammo and whiskey
Curse! 
Look at the percentages--the Libertarian throwaways could have swung the close states the other direction. Not a great time for them to be selfish....
Politico has called Ohio which was 49.7 to 48.6 with 73% but has NOT called Florida or WI yet.
It's just damned weird.
Mainly Lucas and Cuyahoga county(most populous county in the state), which will go Obama big time.
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
Silly you, thinking Obama and the democrats won't rack up 3x that much now that he knows there's no re-election on the line.
And you're ignoring the liklihood that the House will kill every bit of spending that comes down the pike.
Fox called the election for Hussein.
Yep, that Muslim Lovin [bleep] will now destroy whats left of our once great Nation.
Y'all better get ready for re-runs of Planet of the Apes TV Marathon all day tomorrow !
Second Ammendmant Rights are pretty much [bleep] !
Better stock up on Ammo, boys. It's truly a sad day we will all soon live to regret !!!
We are F*****!!!! Time to start hording ammo and whiskey
I agree. Breaking out the Wild Turkey 101 as we speak!
He should have got Rubio!
He should have hammered O crazy on Bengahzi. Incompetent, murderous SOB.
you're right, the GOP shouldn't have been selfish but they are what they are
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
UNFunny Fact 1.) The real "message" they sent was that they're short-sided, selfish, and care more about their friggin' right to schit the bed than they do helping to save the country. "Message" recieved!
I wonder how the Republican Party will treat the liberty movement at its convention in 2016.
A little better, maybe, would be my guess.
Not at all. Nothing changed with Ross Perot who got 18%
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
Silly you, thinking Obama and the democrats won't rack up 3x that much now that he knows there's no re-election on the line.
And you're ignoring the liklihood that the House will kill every bit of spending that comes down the pike.
Bank on it that House members will drop like Flies over the next 2 years.
"accidents", illness, blackmail. Chicago BS.
BANK on it.
On this night four years ago I went to bed in disbelief that America had elected such a worthless douchebag to our highest office. Now here we've gone and done it again. The only thing keeping us alive now is our House of Representatives. Perhaps Obama will not be able to do as much damage as he'd like when (and if) the House holds him in check. He will still appoint SC justices and issue Presidential edicts but it won't be without some checks.
The House can still send spending cut bills to the Senate and let them tell the American people that they would prefer us to remain in debt. Forget Obama, let the House continue to hack away at him on Fast and Furious and Benghazi. I'm sure there will be more.
I wish I had bought more primers.
Alan
Just looked at Ohio's secretary of state sight. Obama is up .02%, and still precincts to report.
man, I like your attitude!
Romney's not conceding Ohio yet.
Exactly what I'ms saying... thank God for the House.
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
Silly you, thinking Obama and the democrats won't rack up 3x that much now that he knows there's no re-election on the line.
And you're ignoring the liklihood that the House will kill every bit of spending that comes down the pike.
Doubtful. How many (R)'s will look at the vote as a change in the political landscape as a swing to the left and want to cross the isle so they can say they did something and taut that next election? I'm betting more than a few, happens every time - they wake up in a new world every 2 years.
Well there is always the Libya cover-up. Just like Nixon.
And the press could still be wrong.
I find it so hard to believe we have 50% or our country vote for BO. I think my wife and I are the only repubs in MN. Any room in WY for a couple hard working republicans?
Ohio may not go to Obama it may not be over. I hope everyone who voted for Obama loses their jobs
Really surprised and disappointed.
Ohio still in play. Obama leads by only 900 votes...
Still 20% uncounted...
But that probably ain't comforting, I'm ashamed as anyone of CO.
Rove said FOX's call of Ohio is premature.
ROVE SAYS IT ISN'T OVER. DIASAGREES WITH CALL OHIO FOR OBAMA.
Karl Rove says (after checking with the Ohio Secretary of State office) that only 991 votes separate Obama and Romney in Ohio. Small glimmer of hope.
44henry
OMFG they are setting off fireworks down town. For real. And this practically is the Reddest part of NJ.
I am displeased.
While out door knocking, a very attractive and well-spoken business owner lady I called on told me it's the social issues with many of the Obama voters. They know he's terrible on the economy and most everything else, but are afraid Romney would interfere with issues like abortion and gay marriage. Obama's liar brigade did a good job scaring voters away from a man who was perfect for our fixing our problems and many would rather see America destroyed than risk losing the opportunity to be wantonly immoral.
Steve, you are not the only Repubs in MN. My family is as well.
This is really and Obummer.
Should have bought that AR I've been looking at. Probably 25% higher in the morning.
Ohio may not go to Obama it may not be over. I hope everyone who voted for Obama loses their jobs
Problem is - everyone who voted for RR will lose theirs...
What if it is another 6 trillion four more years?
Silly you, thinking Obama and the democrats won't rack up 3x that much now that he knows there's no re-election on the line.
And you're ignoring the liklihood that the House will kill every bit of spending that comes down the pike.
Doubtful. How many (R)'s will look at the vote as a change in the political landscape as a swing to the left and want to cross the isle so they can say they did something and taut that next election? I'm betting more than a few, happens every time - they wake up in a new world every 2 years.
No way. They have, in fact, already drawn a line in the sand.
I wonder how the Republican Party will treat the liberty movement at its convention in 2016.
A little better, maybe, would be my guess.
lolol
And I'm guessing the Republican faithful taking every chance they could get to call Libertarians everything from dumbphucks to tinfoil hat wearing idiots didn't help theit cause much either.
I'm guessing the heat will be turned up even more post election but the more the GOP denigrates Libertarians, the stronger their resolve will probably grow.
Might start defreinding those on facebook that are saying "Go Obama!"
I find it so hard to believe we have 50% or our country vote for BO. I think my wife and I are the only repubs in MN. Any room in WY for a couple hard working republicans?
Wyoming ...93% of registered voters are Republican. If you can kick out 2 libtards you be welcome
sounds like WWIII outside right now
Ohio may not go to Obama it may not be over. I hope everyone who voted for Obama loses their jobs
Problem is - everyone who voted for RR will lose theirs...
defense cuts....im done.
10:30 CST and Politico still hasn't called WI, VA or FL and they haven't called the election.
Why?
3rd party was the difference maker.
Funny fact 1.) 3rd party folks think that this will send a message to the GOP.
Funny Fact 2.) It should
UNFunny Fact 1.) The real "message" they sent was that they're short-sided, selfish, and care more about their friggin' right to schit the bed than they do helping to save the country. "Message" recieved!
I wonder how the Republican Party will treat the liberty movement at its convention in 2016.
A little better, maybe, would be my guess.
Not at all. Nothing changed with Ross Perot who got 18%
Well, but Perot was of a completely different party. Romney could have gotten so many more young Republican votes simply by treating Ron Paul with a skosh more respect at the convention.
On the other hand, the weakness of the Republican Party--couldn't even beat Obama--is so evident to everyone that it may be very nearly fatal. By 2016 the Republican Party may be so inconsequential that it's kicked aside by a collection of third parties jockeying to become the official opponent of the Democrats.
Be nice to the Democrats: they'll be your rulers for awhile.
I hope I can buy enough fuel, food, ammo and guns to get through the next 4 years, now. Gas was $1.90 a gallon 4 years ago, now it is $3.19 a gallon. $6.00 a gallon in 4 more years? Oh, that's right we will all be given an electric/solar powered car made in China. No budget in 4 years, a government spending money like drunken sailors on shore leave. We look to be heading the way of Greece, Spain, etc. I hope I'm wrong, but the last 4 years don't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Might start defreinding those on facebook that are saying "Go Obama!"
I already did. [bleep] union backing mofos! the pole smokers work in defense and voted Obama!! how [bleep] stupid are they?????
Not quite sure how some here can be so flippant and blind.
I am NEVER nice to demorats. I am exceedingly rude to the ones around here that I know (and that is a lot) everytime I see them. I will be even worse now.
Might start defreinding those on facebook that are saying "Go Obama!"
Easier to quit FB. Thats what I did last time this happened.
This is the worst kind of reality TV that there is.
This is why I vote and stay out of the mud.
Recounts coming in Florida 48.8 48.3, Ohio 49.5 48.8 and Virginia 49.5 49.1
Steve, you are not the only Repubs in MN. My family is as well.
This is really and Obummer.
Good to hear! I was thinking through our past- ventura, wellstone, Franken and I needed to take some meds as it gave me a headache.
....many would rather see America destroyed than risk losing the opportunity to be wantonly immoral.
Therein lies the real problem. Unfortunately, we are done riding the coattails of the First and Second Great Awakenings.
OK. I see the problem now.
Might start defreinding those on facebook that are saying "Go Obama!"
I already did. [bleep] union backing mofos! the pole smokers work in defense and voted Obama!! how [bleep] stupid are they?????
suicidal stupid
Fox brass is comfortable that Obama will carry Ohio. They said the biggest outstanding areas are overwhelmingly democratic and the outstanding republican areas will be unable to overcome whats left in the democrat areas.
Cleveland is going to vote Democratic
Ohio may not go to Obama it may not be over. I hope everyone who voted for Obama loses their jobs
Those freeloaders don't have jobs!!!
I think the liberal media made this election what it is. Lying Scumbags!
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
Not quite sure how some here can be so flippant and blind.
Some here have a completely different perspective than you do.
We're not blind; we just see a different picture, from a different angle.
Good tag line Nathan.............but the stick figure should have his head stuck in a fence instead.
Well, but Perot was of a completely different party. Romney could have gotten so many more young Republican votes simply by treating Ron Paul with a skosh more respect at the convention.
On the other hand, the weakness of the Republican Party--couldn't even beat Obama--is so evident to everyone that it may be very nearly fatal. By 2016 the Republican Party may be so inconsequential that it's kicked aside by a collection of third parties jockeying to become the official opponent of the Democrats.
Be nice to the Democrats: they'll be your rulers for awhile.
I remember when this election cycle started the Republicans saying even Mickey Mouse could be Obama. I guess they should have nominated Mickey Mouse.
OMFG they are setting off fireworks down town. For real. And this practically is the Reddest part of NJ.
I am displeased.
Better make sure them are fireworks
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
Don't be surprised. I remember several people telling you long ago during the primaries that Romney couldn't beat Obama.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
Exactly right and that will be lost on people.
when does the revolution start?
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
Don't discount Sandy! That storm took all of the media attention away from Benghazi.
Obama up in VA
Recounts will be interesting
when does the revolution start?
I suspect it will start in the House. O certainly can't claim a mandate. He is, as of this moment, a lame duck.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
In four more years this country will be in ruin. Our per capita debt load far exceeds Greece even now. Obama could care less. Its what he wanted. Maybe the welfare class will rethink things when there is no one left to pull the wagon they're riding in. At what point does the ruin become so obvious that it is no longer possible to deny it. Apparently we ain't there yet. But we will be, sooner than anyone thinks.
What's the deal with Rove?
Exactly what it feels like WE the workers are being ruled by the non working non law abiding ROYALTY. [bleep] they are winning the commies and the muslims and everyone else that is pissed at us because we succeeded where they have all failed. Instead of climbing up to join us we have let them pull us down with them. Gonna be interesting times ahead no doubt.
2.1 million more Popular votes and still a loss. Bitter pill to swallow.
Alan
Guys I am too young to remember anything about Reagan(sp). What were his social standings? i.e. Abortion, Gay rights and what not? Did he have to appease the evangelicals like the current Reps do?
I predict he will NOT finish his second term.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
Don't discount Sandy! That storm took all of the media attention away from Benghazi.
Disagree. We knew Obama was full of schit about Benghazi the day after the attack - or 2 months ago. A storm the week before the election wasn't going to change that.
OK - now Politico has called the election without calling WI, VA or FL.
Colorado went blue - all of the sudden.
No Reagan was a man I cant remember him trying to appease any one.
POLITICO Numbers
Recounts coming in Florida 48.8 48.3, Ohio 49.5 48.8 and Virginia 49.5 49.1
Rove calls BS, Ohio ain�t over
We need to dump the Great Lakes states. Their union stronghold will never change and we will never win there. They ensure a lib victory every time.
Turn them over to us - we'd gladly take them! They're like us!
Speak for yourself, you just love to be a distuber must have a lot of issues. Time to finally put you on ignore, sad to say that you are a teacher and are spreding whatever sickness you have inside to others.
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when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
I think it's a lot simpler than that.
Democrats learned the gun issue was their kryptonite and quickly backed off. Now if the GOP can tame their social conservative rhetoric and tone down the foreign policy talk, they should easily be able to surge back into power.
I believe the country trusts Republicans far more than Democrats when it comes to the economy so just play to your strength.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
wfpack14,
Guys I am too young to remember anything about Reagan(sp). What were his social standings? i.e. Abortion, Gay rights and what not? Did he have to appease the evangelicals like the current Reps do?
He was against gay rights, and abortion. He didn't have to appease evangelicals because it was a different age. He was one.
While out door knocking, a very attractive and well-spoken business owner lady I called on told me it's the social issues with many of the Obama voters. They know he's terrible on the economy and most everything else, but are afraid Romney would interfere with issues like abortion and gay marriage. Obama's liar brigade did a good job scaring voters away from a man who was perfect for our fixing our problems and many would rather see America destroyed than risk losing the opportunity to be wantonly immoral.
I never thought I'd live to see the day when it was so damn important in this country to drive completely from the public square anyone who dared to question the wisdom of two men [bleep] each other up the ass even if it meant economic disaster for the country as a whole. Are we that [bleep] stupid and morally obtuse? Apparently we are.
I predict he will NOT finish his second term.
didnt want to post that, but yeah... maybe.
Hope its not true though.
Ohio is 1000 votes difference...
Guys I am too young to remember anything about Reagan(sp). What were his social standings? i.e. Abortion, Gay rights and what not? Did he have to appease the evangelicals like the current Reps do?
Well, abortions weren't used birth control measures then and sexual activity wasn't a right, it was something people kept in their bedrooms.
I'm pretty damned sure he wouldn't force someone else to pay for the concepts of either.....
Just the thought of the first booty planning another european vacation for 400 people.
It's going to take a physical correction of the parasite class in this country by the producers to get things right.
Talk isn't going to cut it. You're dealing with people who can't think critically so like a base animal they must be behaviorally corrected.
You have to get one guy in there who will cut off the spigot - completely and get the parasites hurting a bit. REALLY hurting to where they're forced to understand. Produce or die.
New GM bailout announced next week when they realise no way in hell GM can even give away their vehicles any longer.
In four more years this country will be in ruin.
Won't take any four years.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
no, the truth is , for the past 5 years or so you actively worked to marginalize the libertarians while promoting an agenda of a big government vision of conservatism. You presented an idea to the libertarians that their vote didn't matter only to realize that tonight, yours doesn't either.
Until the GOP can unlock the puzzle of 90% of their base being white, representing a fractured base that refuses to give up on imperialism and social conservatism, they aren't going to win. In 2016, the GOP base will be even more less of the voting population than they are now - moving toward being a demographic minority.
Your approach of exclusion is a no win proposition for the Grand Old Party. Its a crutch to blame all these welfare queens for the demise of the GOP
Thanks for the Reagan info.
IMO I would think the hard line social conservative issues cost the Reps. Like another poster stated stick to the strengths fiscal conservative and Romney wins.
Akin and the other Rape comment, hurt bad. Just my opinion.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
And for those who can't grasp, those things are "social issues".....the country is in control of people who literally [bleep] up everything and leave a tab. Democrats do the theft part.
Probably not likely but it's possible that it's been called early. Ohio still is very close.
Actually politico has Romney ahead for now. In ohio that is.
I wish I could wake up in the morning and discover the South won it's independence.
That way I wouldn't have to fool with these phuggin' yankees and left coasters.
Oh well, just buck up and get ready for the next one. I'm not giving up on the country...not yet.
Probably not likely but it's possible that it's been called early. Ohio still is very close.
As of now the state sight is down, can't say.
New GM bailout announced next week when they realise no way in hell GM can even give away their vehicles any longer.
Our "government" will buy them...
Futures trading going DOWN.
Futures trading
I predict he will NOT finish his second term.
That would leave Biden in charge! That's the real scary part!
It's going to take a physical correction of the parasite class in this country by the producers to get things right.
Talk isn't going to cut it. You're dealing with people who can't think critically so like a base animal they must be behaviorally corrected.
You have to get one guy in there who will cut off the spigot - completely and get the parasites hurting a bit. REALLY hurting to where they're forced to understand. Produce or die.
It's going to take a physical correction of the parasite class in this country by the producers to get things right.
Talk isn't going to cut it. You're dealing with people who can't think critically so like a base animal they must be behaviorally corrected.
You have to get one guy in there who will cut off the spigot - completely and get the parasites hurting a bit. REALLY hurting to where they're forced to understand. Produce or die.
It's called a dictator.
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Until the GOP can unlock the puzzle of 90% of their base being white, representing a fractured base that refuses to give up on imperialism and social conservatism, they aren't going to win. In 2016, the GOP base will be even more less of the voting population than they are now - moving toward being a demographic minority.
Your approach of exclusion is a no win proposition for the Grand Old Party. Its a crutch to blame all these welfare queens for the demise of the GOP
Completely agree.
To put it in simple terms... weak Americans need a weak President.
Poor Biden. He lost his ATM card in a voting machine today.
I wish I could wake up in the morning and discover the South won it's independence.
That way I wouldn't have to fool with these phuggin' yankees and left coasters.
Oh well, just buck up and get ready for the next one. I'm not giving up on the country...not yet.
I pretty much gave up on and have sworn on 50% as the enemy....
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
I wish I could wake up in the morning and discover the South won it's independence.
That way I wouldn't have to fool with these phuggin' yankees and left coasters.
how bout we ship philly down your way and you guys come up here....I already feel like im in hell, i cant take any southern heat on top of it!!
Ohio is 1000 votes difference...
POLITICO Numbers
Recounts coming in Florida 48.8 48.3, Ohio 49.5 48.8 and Virginia 49.5 49.1
Rove calls BS, Ohio ain�t over�twice on FOX
So tomorrow the lawyers show up and start counting�where are all those military ballots�
I wish I could wake up in the morning and discover the South won it's independence.
That way I wouldn't have to fool with these phuggin' yankees and left coasters.
Oh well, just buck up and get ready for the next one. I'm not giving up on the country...not yet.
I'm thankful that I am in a position where the only people I ever come into contact with who have voted for Obama work for me and I really never hear anything about it from them. They might hear about it from me now however.
In four more years this country will be in ruin.
Won't take any four years.
Finally something we can agree on !
Putin called. He's looking forward to more flexibility.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
The Achilles heel of the republican party is the religious Right... it's also a main pillar of the party. It's a conundrum.
I believe the direction the R's should turn is towards small-L libertarianism. Stop pissing against the wind on the social hot button issues. Focus on actual freedom, fiscal responsibility, and shrinking government to include the military.
But they won't. They can't. Without the religious Right the party is too small. With the religious Right, they come across as meddlesome and intrusive to many.
I also will posit that people are truly sick of being lied to. Romney was clearly a fake, a man in a costume. He was a lie personified.
Anyway, beyond that I agree with others that this was about Entitlement Nation. It's only getting worse folks. The Boomers are gonna bankrupt us for real.... and there's a lot of them... and they vote. Cuts to SS and Medicare aren't gonna fly there. Bumpy ride ahead.
jeez, did you just see the Fox shot of the vote counters in Cuyahoga county. Five enormously obese black women sitting around staring at the lights. that's not encouraging.
Ohio Sec of State site:
Obama, Barack (D) 2,513,385
49.63%
Romney, Mitt (R) 2,468,018
48.74%
jeez, did you just see the Fox shot of the vote counters in Cuyahoga county. Five enormously obese black women sitting around staring at the lights. that's not encouraging.
Ohio already had to remove 2 election judges tonight for voter fraud.
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
the problem is your 95% can't do [bleep] in the election
its not about Ron Paul or Gary Johnson - its about Romney, and McCain before him not being able to beat a man who has no business being in office, and the GOP people living in a vacuum thinking the sun revolves around their platform.
and you should be the last person to talk about people making silly claims.
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
link Steve
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when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
I think it's a lot simpler than that.
Democrats learned the gun issue was their kryptonite and quickly backed off. Now if the GOP can tame their social conservative rhetoric and tone down the foreign policy talk, they should easily be able to surge back into power.
I believe the country trusts Republicans far more than Democrats when it comes to the economy so just play to your strength.
You are right. If the Republicans would stop with the Bible thumping, Holy Crusades, fund a self-defense military force, and stick to capitalism they could win elections. Unfortunately, that's not their forte.
"Obama is president!!! Yes"
Unfriend
Better then asking what mental disorder they have.
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
the problem is your 95% can't do [bleep] in the election
its not about Ron Paul or Gary Johnson - its about Romney, and McCain before him not being able to beat a man who has no business being in office, and the GOP people living in a vacuum thinking the sun revolves around their platform.
So what makes you think the 5% by itself can? It can't. And if they were altruistic about helping their fellow man, they'd join forces with the 95% and work from there.
jeez, did you just see the Fox shot of the vote counters in Cuyahoga county. Five enormously obese black women sitting around staring at the lights. that's not encouraging.
Ohio already had to remove 2 election judges tonight for voter fraud.
One Republican and one Democrat if I recall correctly.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
The Achilles heel of the republican party is the religious Right... it's also a main pillar of the party. It's a conundrum.
I believe the direction the R's should turn is towards small-L libertarianism. Stop pissing against the wind on the social hot button issues. Focus on actual freedom, fiscal responsibility, and shrinking government to include the military.
But they won't. They can't. Without the religious Right the party is too small. With the religious Right, they come across as meddlesome and intrusive to many.
I also will posit that people are truly sick of being lied to. Romney was clearly a fake, a man in a costume. He was a lie personified.
Anyway, beyond that I agree with others that this was about Entitlement Nation. It's only getting worse folks. The Boomers are gonna bankrupt us for real.... and there's a lot of them... and they vote. Cuts to SS and Medicare aren't gonna fly there. Bumpy ride ahead.
sadly for you ...it will come to pass one day and it will be too late
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when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
I think it's a lot simpler than that.
Democrats learned the gun issue was their kryptonite and quickly backed off. Now if the GOP can tame their social conservative rhetoric and tone down the foreign policy talk, they should easily be able to surge back into power.
I believe the country trusts Republicans far more than Democrats when it comes to the economy so just play to your strength.
You are right. If the Republicans would stop with the Bible thumping, Holy Crusades, fund a self-defense military force, and stick to capitalism they could win elections. Unfortunately, that's not their forte.
Really? Because living in a swing state - the ONLY thing I heard in commercials this year was economy/jobs. Bible was missing, military/foreign policy was missing too.
Straight jobs/economy talk and amongst everyone I know - that was all they talked about as well.
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
the problem is your 95% can't do [bleep] in the election
its not about Ron Paul or Gary Johnson - its about Romney, and McCain before him not being able to beat a man who has no business being in office, and the GOP people living in a vacuum thinking the sun revolves around their platform.
and you should be the last person to talk about people making silly claims.
It comes down to 51% voting to have the other 49% fund them and those in the 51% who actually do have money feeling guilty about it.
It's going to be very hard regardless of what social platform you pick to compete with the Free Schit Army. Once they get it you can't take it away.
While out door knocking, a very attractive and well-spoken business owner lady I called on told me it's the social issues with many of the Obama voters. They know he's terrible on the economy and most everything else, but are afraid Romney would interfere with issues like abortion and gay marriage. Obama's liar brigade did a good job scaring voters away from a man who was perfect for our fixing our problems and many would rather see America destroyed than risk losing the opportunity to be wantonly immoral.
I have to agree. Bill Clinton once said "It's the economy stupid", well the economy has never been worse in my lifetime than it has been over the last 4 years. But do we elect someone who might could turn the economy around? No! We vote in an idiot that has already shown that he can't handle it. Why? So women can keep their rights to kill unborn babies, men can marry men and people expect the government to just give them whatever they need and want without having to work. We have hit rock bottom on the morality scale. We no longer look to the Bible for guidance or respect our roots which are grounded in Jude--christian values. It's not the economy stupid its abortion rights and homosexual marriage.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
The Achilles heel of the republican party is the religious Right... it's also a main pillar of the party. It's a conundrum.
I believe the direction the R's should turn is towards small-L libertarianism. Stop pissing against the wind on the social hot button issues. Focus on actual freedom, fiscal responsibility, and shrinking government to include the military.
But they won't. They can't. Without the religious Right the party is too small. With the religious Right, they come across as meddlesome and intrusive to many.
I also will posit that people are truly sick of being lied to. Romney was clearly a fake, a man in a costume. He was a lie personified.
Anyway, beyond that I agree with others that this was about Entitlement Nation. It's only getting worse folks. The Boomers are gonna bankrupt us for real.... and there's a lot of them... and they vote. Cuts to SS and Medicare aren't gonna fly there. Bumpy ride ahead.
The cuts are coming whether they like it or not, because the programs are on an unsustainable trajectory. So there choice is either fix it now or take a hard hit later. Looks like they chose the latter proposition. Idiots.
you think it's exclusion that we don't give the nomination to the loser who didn't win a primary....get real. that's the problem with you guys, you think you get to drive the bus with your single digits. that's not the way it works.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
BTW Romney is in the lead now in Ohio...that call may have been a little premature.
the problem is your 95% can't do [bleep] in the election
its not about Ron Paul or Gary Johnson - its about Romney, and McCain before him not being able to beat a man who has no business being in office, and the GOP people living in a vacuum thinking the sun revolves around their platform.
So what makes you think the 5% by itself can? It can't. And if they were altruistic about helping their fellow man, they'd join forces with the 95% and work from there.
been there done that - lost most of my 401K and my house is worth 10K less than I paid for it.
But what if Obama does turn the economy around in the next four years?
Even I laugh at that one LOL
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Didnt take long to delete her.
Jeff O.
People like you are the achilles heel of this country.
You stand for nothing because you have no belief system. You voted for this guy in 2008 and probably voted for him again.
You are the problem, not the religous right.
Bets on where the market closes tomorrow?
jeez, did you just see the Fox shot of the vote counters in Cuyahoga county. Five enormously obese black women sitting around staring at the lights. that's not encouraging.
Yep. Illiterate, fatass welfare recipients looking for free cheese!
I don't think I've ever seen so many ugly ass retards in one room as they keep showing at Bambams HQ in Chitown. If thats what true American's look like, we are truly [bleep] !
..the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better....
And there you have.
Bets on where the market closes tomorrow?
down big
You sure they weren't buses?
The truth is that this country has morphed into a nation that is truly divided in half. And the division has exceeded the political venue and entered into personal beliefs, patriotism, freedoms, religion....chit basically all those things that one holds dear to their heart. I hate to say it but the outlook aint purty. God only knows the acts of violence that will pop up as folks get pushed to their personal brinks. I have to admit its a pretty weird feeling to live for 40 years thinking of the world you live in and the world you raise your children in has somehow 180'd into a [bleep] nightmare! Even worse days ahead fellas, thats all I got to say!
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
no, the truth is , for the past 5 years or so you actively worked to marginalize the libertarians while promoting an agenda of a big government vision of conservatism. You presented an idea to the libertarians that their vote didn't matter only to realize that tonight, yours doesn't either.
Until the GOP can unlock the puzzle of 90% of their base being white, representing a fractured base that refuses to give up on imperialism and social conservatism, they aren't going to win. In 2016, the GOP base will be even more less of the voting population than they are now - moving toward being a demographic minority.
Your approach of exclusion is a no win proposition for the Grand Old Party. Its a crutch to blame all these welfare queens for the demise of the GOP
Right on, Right on KFWA!
Guys I am too young to remember anything about Reagan(sp). What were his social standings? i.e. Abortion, Gay rights and what not? Did he have to appease the evangelicals like the current Reps do?
Back then [bleep] weren't demanding the right to marry---they were just dying (like flies) of AIDS. Ronnie toed the party line on abortion, but it was not his cause celebre (sp?).
Jordan
Imagine the mess Obama gets to gripe about the next term that he inherited.
The achilles heel of the whole process is that elections are based on blackmail and racketeering.
Fiscal responsibility IS a [bleep] social issue, which is why a majority of people don't like being taught, lectured and being threatened that the schit has got to stop. They don't care.
But make it about sex or abortions if that's what you think will turn things around or the blame needs placed....it's larger than that.
Didn't know they had that many unemployable minorities.
Politics is great when you win and a total bitch when you lose.
Congratulations President Obama.
Didn't know they had that many unemployable minorities.
Millions of em!
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
even given the media ballwashing, the complete burial of the Benghazi fiasco, and the monolithic black vote and high turnout, I am surprised that the country has enough stupid people to reelect this loser, who has lost jobs in four years of his disastrous presidency.
when Romney loses to a Marxist, it's hard to argue that a more right wing candidate would have done any better. in fact, it's kind of insane. we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
will they still be saying he needs more time after four more years of this walking disaster?
don't know but I bet you'll be dismissing hard core conservatives for not supporting the neocon agenda
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
The Achilles heel of the republican party is the religious Right... it's also a main pillar of the party. It's a conundrum.
I believe the direction the R's should turn is towards small-L libertarianism. Stop pissing against the wind on the social hot button issues. Focus on actual freedom, fiscal responsibility, and shrinking government to include the military.
But they won't. They can't. Without the religious Right the party is too small. With the religious Right, they come across as meddlesome and intrusive to many.
I also will posit that people are truly sick of being lied to. Romney was clearly a fake, a man in a costume. He was a lie personified.
Anyway, beyond that I agree with others that this was about Entitlement Nation. It's only getting worse folks. The Boomers are gonna bankrupt us for real.... and there's a lot of them... and they vote. Cuts to SS and Medicare aren't gonna fly there. Bumpy ride ahead.
DITTOS!
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
Calling me racist?
I didn't post that, someone else did.
While out door knocking, a very attractive and well-spoken business owner lady I called on told me it's the social issues with many of the Obama voters. They know he's terrible on the economy and most everything else, but are afraid Romney would interfere with issues like abortion and gay marriage. Obama's liar brigade did a good job scaring voters away from a man who was perfect for our fixing our problems and many would rather see America destroyed than risk losing the opportunity to be wantonly immoral.
I have to agree. Bill Clinton once said "It's the economy stupid", well the economy has never been worse in my lifetime than it has been over the last 4 years. But do we elect someone who might could turn the economy around? No! We vote in an idiot that has already shown that he can't handle it. Why? So women can keep their rights to kill unborn babies, men can marry men and people expect the government to just give them whatever they need and want without having to work. We have hit rock bottom on the morality scale. We no longer look to the Bible for guidance or respect our roots which are grounded in Jude--christian values. It's not the economy stupid its abortion rights and homosexual marriage.
Well said. Who'd of thought we'd see the day when enough people believed in a sodomite right to marriage that it would matter in a national election. Hell, we may as well start eating those unborn babies. What could possibly be wrong with it.
Didn't know they had that many unemployable minorities.
Millions of em!
selling weed is a profitable venture in Colorado
Politics is great when you win and a total bitch when you lose.
Congratulations President Obama.
no......[bleep] the squatter posing. perhaps you would be better off with him
Anyone in the defense industry? Better get that resume up to date. Out looking for a job now? Good luck it just got tougher
Politics is great when you win and a total bitch when you lose.
Congratulations President Obama.
That is not the word I'm thinking of.
I wonder where the libtards that wanted to do away with the electoral college after 2000 went? Even Al Gore wrote about it last week....hypocricy.
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
and you continue to prove yourself an ignorant dumbass incapable of comprehension....
Ahhh. [bleep]! Too many fuggin retards I the world!
If O loses the popular vote, wonder if the MSM will bring up this...
WTF am I thinking...
After Bush v. Gore, Obama, Clinton wanted Electoral College scrapped
My wife and i second the AAAHHHH [bleep] ED K
Looks like Barak might get his wish after all.
Anyone in the defense industry? Better get that resume up to date. Out looking for a job now? Good luck it just got tougher
I don't think defense will be cut that much. The United States economy cant not handle that. It would fall off the cliff. I think Congress knows that.
Well I hope they know that.
Our Military will suffer greatly because of this election tonight
I'm pretty sure major defense contractors are going to cut spending because they believe sequestration will happen.
We've already cut our forecast and have our 2013 projections flat because of this.
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
So the kid deletes an idiot from his friends list and you label him a racist? Critical thinking isn't your thing huh?
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
You mean except tonight, right?
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
Yet with all your experience and wisdom and solemn un-silliness, you ran Romney.
Huh.
You can moan and complain all you like.
Conservative politics in the USA has become polarised over the last four years and moved slightly off target to the political right. This is clearly on the nose with voters.
The voters who gave a damn and got off their arses and voted made their choice. Those that didn't vote couldn't care less. Having Romney as an opponent was not a good choice and he clearly had no idea what the majority of americans wanted.
Hence, the democratic process rolled on to its inevitable conclusion.
I'm totally ashamed of our country's decision tonight.It's being slowly strangled by illegals,gays,freeloaders,educators,unions and a subculture of low IQ's.The GOP should seriously consider dumbing themselves down next go around as it's the only way to relate to an overall illiterate electorate.
I'm totally ashamed of our country's decision tonight.It's being slowly strangled by illegals,gays,freeloaders,educators,unions and a subculture of low IQ's.The GOP should seriously consider dumbing themselves down next go around as it's the only way to relate to an overall illiterate electorate.
No... they need to pass out Mitt Phones next go around, sir.
Electoral college or not, we knew that with 95 % of blacks and 60 to 70 % of latinos voting for BHO, plus significant fraud organized by ACORN and other Democrat specialist organizations, it would be a tough battle.
In that context we could not afford to make mistakes, particularly vis-a-vis the women voters.
As it happened despite some obvious mistakes on the social front and a candidate somewhat too nice, we came close to winning!...
But the fact remains: REASON LOST and the next 4 years are going to be very costly! Very, very costly!!! Not just fiscaly: all that made America great is being undermined.
Unless conservatives succeed in fixing their act and focus on the truly important and fairly universal points, America may (will) never recover from it.
Romney is only up over Zero slightly now, but he's been ahead in popular votes all night. I said the same thing to my wife. The MSM and Dems both pitched a fit when Dubya got in this way. Nothing said tonight.
Ohio still has 10% of the precincts to go and Zero is only up by about 10,000 votes. Looks like Virginia and Florida are going to go to Zero by about 50,000 apiece but the tallies ain't done yet. Really, it all comes down to those three places and around 100,000 votes. Two election officials arrested in Ohio. Wow. 100k by cheating is doable.
Thanks to all the mol independent voters who manned up and voted for Romney. My parents are lifelong Dems and both voted for Romney.
Theres no political solution to bringing this country together anymore, sorry but thats the truth.
Ronnie toed the party line
Thank you!
"towed the party line" is one of my pet peeves.
the 5% doesn't direct the 95%.
You mean except tonight, right?
the one common thread of the people who make these silly claims is that they have zero experience in real world elections with candidates who actually win elections. the electorate is not libertarian...ask Gary Johnson. or Ron Paul.
Yet with all your experience and wisdom and solemn un-silliness, you ran Romney.
Huh.
LOL...It will be awhile for that lesson is learned
Just got an interesting email. It's 11:30pm locally and I got an email concerning a coal plant I'm consulting on in the project management end in MS. Looks like it's full blown put the brakes on and do the math to see if it's going to come out now halfway thru the project. We'll see where this ends up.
You can moan and complain all you like.
Conservative politics in the USA has become polarised over the last four years and moved slightly off target to the political right. This is clearly on the nose with voters.
The voters who gave a damn and got off their arses and voted made their choice. Those that didn't vote couldn't care less. Having Romney as an opponent was not a good choice and he clearly had no idea what the majority of americans wanted.
Hence, the democratic process rolled on to its inevitable conclusion.
FOAD......MATE!
I'm totally ashamed of our country's decision tonight.It's being slowly strangled by illegals,gays,freeloaders,educators,unions and a subculture of low IQ's.The GOP should seriously consider dumbing themselves down next go around as it's the only way to relate to an overall illiterate electorate.
Please tell all the good Republicans to quit hiring all those illegals and maybe they won't strangle us...
Just got an interesting email. It's 11:30pm locally and I got an email concerning a coal plant I'm consulting on in the project management end in MS. Looks like it's full blown put the brakes on and do the math to see if it's going to come out now halfway thru the project. We'll see where this ends up.
This must be the mississippi power coal plant north of Meridian. They've spent a lot of money on it, including buying a right of way across some of my land for the power lines. Thankfully I've already been paid.
Looks like Barak might get his wish after all.
What--545 federal politicians are going to decide to stop sucking scum and go home and get real jobs?
Cool! Gimme a link: I'll be all over that one.
Virgina to Obama. If this keeps up and Florida goes to Obama Romney will have done worse than McCain I believe.
Anyone in the defense industry? Better get that resume up to date. Out looking for a job now? Good luck it just got tougher
Christ...really... both candidates received money from the DI, churches, individuals, super pacs, etc. ad nauseum...do you really think one or the other was going to make a
real difference in every man's land? Jeezus sheep-people get a grip...they're all crooks
That'd be great. I was referring to an economic collapse.
Anyone in the defense industry? Better get that resume up to date. Out looking for a job now? Good luck it just got tougher
Christ...really... both candidates received money from the DI, churches, individuals, super pacs, etc. ad nauseum...do you really think one or the other was going to make a
real difference in every man's land? Jeezus sheep-people get a grip...they're all crooks
I think it will matter. My industry is already sending out emails about the number of people they are laying off TOMORROW or just flat out shchitcanning them forever.
Personally me and my dad are talking about 56 of them.
what an azz whuppin, popular vote pretty close
electoral vote, brrrrr, 100 more votes for socialism than capitalism.
oh well twas fun while it lasted.
I'm totally ashamed of our country's decision tonight.It's being slowly strangled by illegals,gays,freeloaders,educators,unions and a subculture of low IQ's.The GOP should seriously consider dumbing themselves down next go around as it's the only way to relate to an overall illiterate electorate.
Please tell all the good Republicans to quit hiring all those illegals and maybe they won't strangle us...
I sincerely hope a half million cross the border and take up residence in California.
Our Military will suffer greatly because of this election tonight
Nah, the Russians got our back...... Heck they're already patroling our coasts!
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
So the kid deletes an idiot from his friends list and you label him a racist? Critical thinking isn't your thing huh?
I'm racist???
News to me... unless you count idiots as a race... then yes.
That'd be great. I was referring to an economic collapse.
Nobody wishes for an economic collapse. There's one coming, of course, but nobody wishes for one.
There are still ways it could be made much less damaging--if the Feds repudiated the national debt, for example, rather than monetizing it--but they're not going to happen because they'd require the government to give up power.
yeah, BTDT, but it does help if you're competive, and I'm assuming your folks have skills, that helps...good luck...and I still stick by this, they're all crooks...
Romney concession speech coming up.
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CUZ ONCE YOU GO BLACK YOU NEVER GO BLACK!! I LOVE AMERICA!!!!! [bleep] YOU OBAMA HATERS!
Didnt take long to delete her.
Thanks for admitting that you are racist. But we already knew that.
So the kid deletes an idiot from his friends list and you label him a racist? Critical thinking isn't your thing huh?
I'm racist???
News to me... unless you count idiots as a race... then yes.
Dawn your hood brother, I got your back *flips CKKK hood over*
More people wanted a minority in the White House than a European-American.
I'm totally ashamed of our country's decision tonight.It's being slowly strangled by illegals,gays,freeloaders,educators,unions and a subculture of low IQ's.The GOP should seriously consider dumbing themselves down next go around as it's the only way to relate to an overall illiterate electorate.
Please tell all the good Republicans to quit hiring all those illegals and maybe they won't strangle us...
I sincerely hope a half million cross the border and take up residence in California.
only 1/2? why not 3 million?
Archie, do you have room in your Canadian man-lair? I'll bring all my fishing and hunting and reloading stuff.
That'd be great. I was referring to an economic collapse.
Nobody wishes for an economic collapse. There's one coming, of course, but nobody wishes for one.
There are still ways it could be made much less damaging--if the Feds repudiated the national debt, for example, rather than monetizing it--but they're not going to happen because they'd require the government to give up power.
+1, delivering an unpopular message won't get you through the primaries, never mind the general...sheepeople...christ(sigh)
More people wanted a minority in the White House than a European-American.
I think we've just witnessed the minority is the European-American.
We should heal our wounds, cut domestic and defense spending (except for veterans benefits), cut the cost of living increases in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in half, increase the retirement age to 67 for everyone below 50. Leave the tax rates where they are except make all capital gains taxed as ordinary income unless it's invested in U.S. companies located in the U.S. for at least a year, limit the mortgage deduction and charitable deductions to a max of $20,000 and get rid of the sweet heart deals like the Oil Depletion Allowance (there's lots of them there). We could balance the budget in a year. Maybe go back to buy American. With all of the stuff the DoD buys why shouldn't it all be made here?
Yeah and pull out of Afghanistan, if the terrorists come back drop a nice 5 megaton love pill on them.
Take good care of our boys and their families who fought and died, or were wounded physically and mentally. No scrimping there!
Off my soap box, good people can disagree about politics, no point in getting personal about it, unless it's purely in fun.
Archie, do you have room in your Canadian man-lair? I'll bring all my fishing and hunting and reloading stuff.
You're always welcome in my Igloo Tanner. Winnie1300 as well. Maybe Deflave...but probably not.
Bring some Jack Daniels straight from Lynchburg and you're .25-06. We'll figure food/hunting plans out under the lovely canopy of Canadian stripper puussies. 20$ will get twat stuck in your nose. Which aint a bad way to plan a hunting trip...
Can you spot when the election was called?
Dollar down
We should heal our wounds, cut domestic and defense spending (except for veterans benefits), cut the cost of living increases in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in half, increase the retirement age to 67 for everyone below 50. Leave the tax rates where they are except make all capital gains taxed as ordinary income unless it's invested in U.S. companies located in the U.S. for at least a year, limit the mortgage deduction and charitable deductions to a max of $20,000 and get rid of the sweet heart deals like the Oil Depletion Allowance (there's lots of them there). We could balance the budget in a year. Maybe go back to buy American. With all of the stuff the DoD buys why shouldn't it all be made here?
Yeah and pull out of Afghanistan, if the terrorists come back drop a nice 5 megaton love pill on them.
Take good care of our boys and their families who fought and died, or were wounded physically and mentally. No scrimping there!
Off my soap box, good people can disagree about politics, no point in getting personal about it, unless it's purely in fun.
+1
Archie, do you have room in your Canadian man-lair? I'll bring all my fishing and hunting and reloading stuff.
You're always welcome in my Igloo Tanner. Winnie1300 as well. Maybe Deflave...but probably not.
Bring some Jack Daniels straight from Lynchburg and you're .25-06. We'll figure food/hunting plans out under the lovely canopy of Canadian stripper puussies. 20$ will get twat stuck in your nose. Which aint a bad way to plan a hunting trip...
Isn't that how you get pink-eye? As long as there are some big bears, I don't even care.
No pink eye is from them shoving their cheerios in your face. (I seen it happen). We got decent Bears, lots of 300 pounders, and a few 400+. Whatever that converts to in length/skull size I dont know. Just shoot first, ask questions later.
I just hope Karen had the foresight to send the Yorkies to the boarding kennel.
Don't think my friend Bob will take this one well at all.
I know where I will not be spending my vacation money for the next few years. If the blue states want more of this economy, I plan to give it to them. Hopefully places like Nevada will really feel the change.
dont bash the entire blue state. If your gonna bash the blue states and all thier people, keep your collective asses outta here come deer season.
Don't worry. I don't see a single blue state I plan to set foot in any time soon. Enjoy.
I'm stuck in a blue state, and don't blame anyone for hating my state or the idiots who ARE in the majority. There are still the thousands of others in the minority who actually work for a living and support the freeloaders. I'm proud to be a minority..........VERY frustrated, but proud.
Don't be shocked if you all start getting premium increases or your companies drop your medical insurance soon....
dont bash the entire blue state. If your gonna bash the blue states and all thier people, keep your collective asses outta here come deer season.
I agree.
Not a problem. Screw Obama and any pos who voted for him.
Don't be shocked if you all start getting premium increases or your companies drop your medical insurance soon....
Well here's the basic math on this. A company can provide your healthcare and pay between $5k and $12k per year for it. Or they can drop it and pay a $2k fine. Or they can cut your hours to 29 hours and not pay anything.
Which option do you see a lot of companies taking when things continue to get tough?
Colorado, you have the right idea. At the end of the day
we are all Americans. We have been through some tough times
the last few years and now it,s time to sit down and hash out
the problems and agree on solutions. Understanding that no
group gets everthing their way. This is a democracy and that
means compromise.
Don't be shocked if you all start getting premium increases or your companies drop your medical insurance soon....
Well here's the basic math on this. A company can provide your healthcare and pay between $5k and $12k per year for it. Or they can drop it and pay a $2k fine. Or they can cut your hours to 29 hours and not pay anything.
Which option do you see a lot of companies taking when things continue to get tough?
people that can't do math, aren't gonna like the answer very well.
Don't be shocked if you all start getting premium increases or your companies drop your medical insurance soon....
Well here's the basic math on this. A company can provide your healthcare and pay between $5k and $12k per year for it. Or they can drop it and pay a $2k fine. Or they can cut your hours to 29 hours and not pay anything.
Which option do you see a lot of companies taking when things continue to get tough?
people that can't do math, aren't gonna like the answer very well.
People that can't do math drove this election.
the truth is conservatives did support Romney, vastly and overwhelmingly. Romney didn't lose because conservatives didn't support him, he lost because there are too many people to whom conservative ideas are meaningless because they don't pay taxes, don't run businesses, don't care about deficits, and in many cases don't work. That is the sad truth of this election.....and it is insane to suggest somebody more conservative would have done better.
no, the truth is , for the past 5 years or so you actively worked to marginalize the libertarians while promoting an agenda of a big government vision of conservatism. You presented an idea to the libertarians that their vote didn't matter only to realize that tonight, yours doesn't either.
Until the GOP can unlock the puzzle of 90% of their base being white, representing a fractured base that refuses to give up on imperialism and social conservatism, they aren't going to win. In 2016, the GOP base will be even more less of the voting population than they are now - moving toward being a demographic minority.
Your approach of exclusion is a no win proposition for the Grand Old Party. Its a crutch to blame all these welfare queens for the demise of the GOP
Right on, Right on KFWA!
Best post I've read yet.
I'm stuck in a blue state, and don't blame anyone for hating my state or the idiots who ARE in the majority. There are still the thousands of others in the minority who actually work for a living and support the freeloaders. I'm proud to be a minority..........VERY frustrated, but proud.
Same here, north of you. From here on out, I'm going to be more vocal with the lib bastids and maybe this knot in my gut will go away.
Wow! Stunned.
Welcome to 4 more years of the New Normal....,a $20 Trillion debt,crushing unemployment,no economic growth,$5 gas,and swelling ranks of food stamp recipients,confiscatory taxes....the list goes on.There will be no economic recovery.To say nothing of the further erosion of liberty at all levels.Heaven help you if you make any money.....you aren't going to get to keep it.
I feel sorry for those people of today who will never know this country as it once was.I fear this nation is more [bleep] up than even I thought it was.....too late.It's gone now.
we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
Yep.
Deep depression here, the turning point that has been warned about for years is finally here. The ground has shifted beneath our feet, America as a whole has turned blue, irretrievably so
Right now this snowball is at the top of the slope, look for it to become an avalanche as we roll into the years ahead.
Birdwatcher
Not a problem. Screw Obama and any pos who voted for him.
yep .
im supporting separation from now on .
as to the blue and red state issue .
go take a look at the political map . here is a link
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ click on the blue state of your choice . then ask yourself how that state can be blue ???
we have aloud , through the electorial collage , this country to be ran by a small majority . the city states decide what and where we go . becouse those city states carry the largest % of those with a hand out , they decide the election
It will take me a few days to process this event. I lost much faith in the American people after last night. I simply don't understand.
Condense all the issues down, the one that jumps out is the debt and additional deficit spending that Obama has done over the past 4 years - with more to come. We've certainly rounded the European debt corner. I was pissed at Bush in term 2 for his spending and certainly thought all the people that bitched about Bush would certainly recognize the same pattern with Obama, especially given the greater magnitude.
The thing that especially grates on my nerves is the democrat talking point, and those that repeat the mantra, that demonizes business. To me, this is more of a statment about the person and their associated persona than it is about the evils of business. I've been a business owner and come from a family of small business owners. Most folks would call my family and our extended family "rich" because of their success. What most see is the manifestation of 20 years worth of effort and sacrifice. What they refuse or don't to see is the preceding years it took to get to that point. Americans apparently have reached the point where hard work, sacrifice, and determination mean nothing. That saddens me greatly.
I myself am a bit of an oxymoron - I'm a christian, conservative, govt woker. I manage an office for the Federal Govt. I make a good salary, have good benefits, and have a good retirement ahead of me - if the govt survives. What people see is my salary and associated benefits. What they don't see is my work schedule (50 hrs/wk), the struggles of managing 18 direct reports, the BS from the industry and enviros I deal with daily, etc. They also don't know the rest of the story - undergrad at 23 while working full time, graduate school in the evenings with 4 small kids at home, 2 jobs I've worked most of my adult life, or the hours I've worked to get their, etc. I'm still looking for that cushy 40 hr/wk gov job I get accused of having. In the end, I love what I do or I wouldn't do it.
Professional people are another 'class' of people that most are envious of. What they don't see is the years of developing the craft, mountain of student loan debt, internships/residency, work hours, and sacrifice to establish a business. What people see is the rewards of years of effort and somehow think life isn't fair because they don't have the same.
America is still the land where hard work, perserverance, and raw effort yield a good living. That America, the America I love and grew up in, is coming to an end. Things are rarely as bad or good as they first appear. I'm trusting this is true but right now it doesn't feel that way.
we apparently have slipped over the threshhold where the non-tax paying class is in control.
Yep.
Deep depression here, the turning point that has been warned about for years is finally here. The ground has shifted beneath our feet, America as a whole has turned blue, irretrievably so
Right now this snowball is at the top of the slope, look for it to become an avalanche as we roll into the years ahead.
Birdwatcher
Agreed.
Wonder how long before Israel pulls the trigger?
Problem is society we have more "people" in this country that have their hands out for a hand out than people who want to work and earn their own livelyhood
Wow! Stunned.
Welcome to 4 more years of the New Normal....,a $20 Trillion debt,crushing unemployment,no economic growth,$5 gas,and swelling ranks of food stamp recipients,confiscatory taxes....the list goes on.There will be no economic recovery.To say nothing of the further erosion of liberty at all levels.Heaven help you if you make any money.....you aren't going to get to keep it.
I feel sorry for those people of today who will never know this country as it once was.I fear this nation is more [bleep] up than even I thought it was.....too late.It's gone now.
Agree, except I think more like 22-26 Trillion esp if/when interest rates rise.........
Glad to know I am not the only one feeling like me, my future, my children's future, and all of us just got sucked into a deep black hole.
The thing that especially grates on my nerves is the democrat talking point, and those that repeat the mantra, that demonizes business
thats because there is no democrat party anymore.
As a life long Democrat I can tell you that the party is there only in name , nothing else,.
They want you to believe they are about the middle class and working poor . The fact is that they are not
The middle class didn�t just re elect this man , the welfare poor did . We cant even say that the UNION vote got him re -elected because the republicans held the house . The house is where ALL spending comes from ..
What we just saw was this country turned over to those who feel others owe them a living .
We just saw the US constitution thrown away . We just saw a 2 thumbs up to obama and all those to come who want to rule by fiat. Dictate what laws they will and will not support, with a simple wave of their hand .
That the federal government is supreme and now has the control to tell every state what it will or will not do .
that�s what this election confirmed and that�s why its now time to support any and all states or individual politicians who call for separation.
For if we don�t , 4 years from no we may very well see everyone getting their paychecks from the government , regardless of whom you work for
Nope , this life long democrat is now a separatist.
The democrat party no longer exists
A very sad time indeed!
I agree with all the above statements!
Chicken Little just got crushed. The sky has fallen.
It's like watching a loved one slowly die of cancer.
I am shocked that there are so many in this country now who think so differently than many of us "baby boomers".
Fiscal debt and handouts are only half of the reason for our decline as a nation IMHO. The other half is spiritual and moral decline. Is it over? Is this the end of the beginning??
You and I could find common ground.
The gov has a role is society and business - establish the sideboards, facilitate the environment to keep business going/growing and operating inside the 'box'. Then get out of the way and let capitalism work.
It is not to provide everything to everybody or dictate "a fair/level playing field for all people". When effort = rewards, a financial disparity will develop. That isn't illegal, or at least it wasn't last night. Today "fairness" will be the mantra for the next 4 years.
Excuse me for butting in.Russians were right,not a shot fired.Nothing can stop it now.Freedom is as good as gone from the world.
The sky isn�t falling , it fell along time ago .
But the public is to stupid to know better . ??/ wait didn�t our newly re-elected president say something like that ????
And your right it also has a lot to do with morality . But even that decline started long ago when we aloud politicians to dictate to us , what was and was not moral
In fact we even aloud that to happen when we turned away and let then stack the legal deck with a group of people who end up voting 5 to 4 on what the 2nd amendment says .
Its time to accept and realize that this country can only carry on if we separate. Start those proceedings Now in a
peaceful way before we reach the point the we result to blood shed so as the largest % of this country can pull itself away from what it does not believe in
Makes no difference now what should have been done. It is too late. And on coal the O and the EPA are shutting it down at the end of November.
It will take me a few days to process this event. I lost much faith in the American people after last night. I simply don't understand.
Condense all the issues down, the one that jumps out is the debt and additional deficit spending that Obama has done over the past 4 years - with more to come. We've certainly rounded the European debt corner. I was pissed at Bush in term 2 for his spending and certainly thought all the people that bitched about Bush would certainly recognize the same pattern with Obama, especially given the greater magnitude.
The thing that especially grates on my nerves is the democrat talking point, and those that repeat the mantra, that demonizes business. To me, this is more of a statment about the person and their associated persona than it is about the evils of business. I've been a business owner and come from a family of small business owners. Most folks would call my family and our extended family "rich" because of their success. What most see is the manifestation of 20 years worth of effort and sacrifice. What they refuse or don't to see is the preceding years it took to get to that point. Americans apparently have reached the point where hard work, sacrifice, and determination mean nothing. That saddens me greatly.
I myself am a bit of an oxymoron - I'm a christian, conservative, govt woker. I manage an office for the Federal Govt. I make a good salary, have good benefits, and have a good retirement ahead of me - if the govt survives. What people see is my salary and associated benefits. What they don't see is my work schedule (50 hrs/wk), the struggles of managing 18 direct reports, the BS from the industry and enviros I deal with daily, etc. They also don't know the rest of the story - undergrad at 23 while working full time, graduate school in the evenings with 4 small kids at home, 2 jobs I've worked most of my adult life, or the hours I've worked to get their, etc. I'm still looking for that cushy 40 hr/wk gov job I get accused of having. In the end, I love what I do or I wouldn't do it.
Professional people are another 'class' of people that most are envious of. What they don't see is the years of developing the craft, mountain of student loan debt, internships/residency, work hours, and sacrifice to establish a business. What people see is the rewards of years of effort and somehow think life isn't fair because they don't have the same.
America is still the land where hard work, perserverance, and raw effort yield a good living. That America, the America I love and grew up in, is coming to an end. Things are rarely as bad or good as they first appear. I'm trusting this is true but right now it doesn't feel that way.
Today, you're the enemy...you have too much and must share it with those who did not swork and sacrifice as you did.The Obama electorate wants what you have accomplished and worked hard to get,as an "entitlement".
Pretty soon the producers will be disheartened, their personal wealth drained;the investors will flea off shore,the economy will continue to sag,and the engine that feeds the monsterous government and entitlement programs will sputter and fail.
And Obama will ask business owners (again).."Why aren't you hiring?".Only an idiot,or idealougue,even asks the question.
What they seem not to know, is that you can twist things with rhetoric, but fundamental rules of economics, like gravity,will never,ever change.No government seems to learn this,until it is too late...even as history continues to tell us this,we have gone down the same failed path.This country is not about to become Greece...it IS Greece,but many times worse.
It seems like only yesterday that we bragged about winning the Cold War.
We didn't win squat!
I think those calling for separation are dreaming. There is no way the Feds will ever let go of their gravy train.
That said, I love the idea and think it may be worth a try. Heck, a fast death is better than a slow one, right?
Colorado, you have the right idea. At the end of the day
we are all Americans. We have been through some tough times
the last few years and now it,s time to sit down and hash out
the problems and agree on solutions. Understanding that no
group gets everthing their way. This is a democracy and that
means compromise.
I will not compromise my freedom
Look to Greece to get a glimpse of our future.
Today, you're the enemy...you have too much and must share it with those who did not swork and sacrifice as you did.The Obama electorate wants what you have accomplished and worked hard to get,as an "entitlement".
Pretty soon the producers will be disheartened, their personal wealth drained;the investors will flea off shore,the economy will continue to sag,and the engine that feeds the monsterous government and entitlement programs will sputter and fail.
And Obama will ask business owners (again).."Why aren't you hiring?".Only an idiot,or idealougue,even asks the question.
What they seem not to know, is that you can twist things with rhetoric, but fundamental rules of economics, like gravity,will never,ever change.No government seems to learn this,until it is too late...even as history continues to tell us this,we have gone down the same failed path.This country is not about to become Greece...it IS Greece,but many times worse.
Spot on Bob. I've worked my azz off for 30+ years building a business. I'm gonna do all I can NOT to play along. I hope my employees like Obama care.
Colorado, you have the right idea. At the end of the day
we are all Americans. We have been through some tough times
the last few years and now it,s time to sit down and hash out
the problems and agree on solutions. Understanding that no
group gets everthing their way. This is a democracy and that
means compromise.
WRONG! The United States is NOT a Democracy, never has been. It is a Representative Republic. Huge Difference, Huge.
Wow. What a [bleep] pity party. It's as if some of y'all didn't realize that this could happen. This wasn't a one-night deal. This has been coming...building. I'm not on Facebook, but my wife is. Some of the comments from Dims on there were startling.
The bottom line is you gotta soldier on. 50% of this country may have voted for this loser, but 50% didn't. We have the House. The Senate is divided. We have to figure out a way to keep the SCOTUS from falling into the hands of the Communists. We have to keep on keeping on.
Some of y'all are surprising me with your utter demoralization. Cowboy up. Your kids are depending on you.
gridlock in Washington isn't always a bad thing.
compromise means more spending, more regulation, more politicians
make the long term Congressmen and Senators ineffective and they lose - and we say goodbye to the Pelosi's, the McConnel's , the Boehner's , the Reids, and introduce a new era of politician that was elected with a mandate to uphold.
Cheer up things are only going to get worse.
The only way to survive is to hunker down and protect as much wealth as possible. If you haven't already think about investing off-shore. The Wife is so distraught she is thinking we should move to New Zealand. (That's not going to happen.)
Be creative and figure ways to maintain and expand wealth in a Socialist economy.
Colorado, you have the right idea. At the end of the day
we are all Americans. We have been through some tough times
the last few years and now it,s time to sit down and hash out
the problems and agree on solutions. Understanding that no
group gets everthing their way. This is a democracy and that
means compromise.
WRONG! The United States is NOT a Democracy, never has been. It is a Representative Republic. Huge Difference, Huge.
Yes, the USA is a republic (not a democracy), but compromise is still the only way to reach consensus for the good of the country. Life is a series of compromises (think of 4-way stop signs, moving down a crowded corridor, etc.) Someone mus give or nothing gets accomplished. And, we need accomplishment for the economy, debt reduction, etc.
Cheer up things are only going to get worse.
The only way to survive is to hunker down and protect as much wealth as possible. If you haven't already think about investing off-shore. The Wife is so distraught she is thinking we should move to New Zealand. (That's not going to happen.)
Be creative and figure ways to maintain and expand wealth in a Socialist economy.
My wife said the same thing. Wonder how it is down there...?? Good hunting I know!
Wow. What a [bleep] pity party. It's as if some of y'all didn't realize that this could happen. This wasn't a one-night deal. This has been coming...building. I'm not on Facebook, but my wife is. Some of the comments from Dims on there were startling.
The bottom line is you gotta soldier on. 50% of this country may have voted for this loser, but 50% didn't. We have the House. The Senate is divided. We have to figure out a way to keep the SCOTUS from falling into the hands of the Communists. We have to keep on keeping on.
Some of y'all are surprising me with your utter demoralization. Cowboy up. Your kids are depending on you.
That's right, sir.
System of check of balances. He won't be allowed to [bleep] up too bad.
Wow. What a [bleep] pity party. It's as if some of y'all didn't realize that this could happen. This wasn't a one-night deal. This has been coming...building. I'm not on Facebook, but my wife is. Some of the comments from Dims on there were startling.
The bottom line is you gotta soldier on. 50% of this country may have voted for this loser, but 50% didn't. We have the House. The Senate is divided. We have to figure out a way to keep the SCOTUS from falling into the hands of the Communists. We have to keep on keeping on.
Some of y'all are surprising me with your utter demoralization. Cowboy up. Your kids are depending on you.
That's right, sir.
System of check of balances. He won't be allowed to [bleep] up too bad.
Winnie,
I sincerely wish what you said about our system of check of balances were true but with the Obama administration it's just not reality. He and his cohorts have time and again showed total disregard for our constitution and the laws in place.
aside from the National issues, locally, I have suffered some stunning set backs. My County, always a bastion of liberalism, has gone even further into the abyss.
Three new ultra liberal/socialist County Commissioners
New liberal State House of Rep member
Liberal State Senator
two new local tax iniatives passed
State ammendment changes that are against religious freedom, against tax reductions, against raising property tax exemptions
and several other blows to the body politic.
Locally, this election has been a total disaster.
Cheer up things are only going to get worse.
The only way to survive is to hunker down and protect as much wealth as possible. If you haven't already think about investing off-shore. The Wife is so distraught she is thinking we should move to New Zealand. (That's not going to happen.)
Be creative and figure ways to maintain and expand wealth in a Socialist economy.
My wife said the same thing. Wonder how it is down there...?? Good hunting I know!
I looked into buying land there 4 years ago. The realtor I contacted was tired of Americans sending her emails wanting to move.
Cap, I afraid your observations are correct...
This is worse than '08, much worse. In 2008 he was an unknown and we were coming off 8 years of Bush and looking at a financial disaster. We had two very weak candidates at the top so a BHO win was understandable.
Now, with four years of perhaps the worst President ever, he gets re-elected against two very strong, attractive candidates. This tells me that there has been a fundamental shift in the electorate and I don't see any possibility of ever electing a true Conservative as President.
Best to arrange your affairs to cope with and prosper in a Socialist nation.
I�m going to need �reeducation camp��� I will now learn to think infanticide, gay marriage, no personal reasonability, and tools such as a firearm are � at fault �anytime said tool is used in the wrong way, a place where god can receive a no vote -and folks clap and cheer I will learn to put my hand out for a hand out�not �up�.....sorry grandpa ww2 vet, RIP
There are lots of threads here about the election results, and one part of me wants to chime in on several aspects. But, although disgusted and worried about the outcome, I am only going to comment on one thread and then move on to things I can affect for the good. In that regard, I need to own some past comments.
First - I consistently said that Obama was "toast", and for more than one reason. A big reason was that I thought that a significant majority of voting citizens had seen the light, were fed up with Obama's smart-mouth posturing and egotistical/ideological actions that are not in the best interest of this country. On that count I WAS WRONG, clearly overestimating the common sense of at least 50% of our voters. That makes me quite sad.
Another reason I say he is toast is that he is in a job that he is not equipped to perform effectively and for the good of this country, and this reason still holds. So, he is faced with four more years of dealing with his hidden agendas and his ego - a small man in a job that requires bigness and genuineness in order to do the right things for this country and its people.
If no other evidence presents itself today, the negative and malicious nature of his campaign is a good example. He did not offer solid plans and strategies for better performance and did not take responsibility for his failures. He adroitly dodged all of that and concentrated on negative attacks to undermine the persona - not the qualities or qualifications - of his opponent. Scare tactics may be a formula for election success in 2012, but it is not a formula for good leadership.
I see him as a politician not worthy of being entrusted with this great responsibility, and not capable of performing honestly and effectively for his constituents. In many ways, he is just another political hack, and will amount to toast when compared with our worthy Presidents.
I love my country and its Constitution, and want the best for it - and this is a rough day. Now, I'm going hunting.
All true. But the other tactic used was to set up straw-issues to scare people, i.e. class envy/warfare, race, abortion, contraception. This, combined with the sugar/handouts, was enough to blind people to the real issues, and his bad performance.
This is worse than '08, much worse...
...Now, with four years of perhaps the worst President ever, he gets re-elected against two very strong, attractive candidates. This tells me that there has been a fundamental shift in the electorate and I don't see any possibility of ever electing a true Conservative as President.
It very much depends on what your definition of conservative is.
I have very much disagreed (and publicly) with those party loyalists who have interpreted each election as a "mandate" for their party's respective platforms. But at this point I will step up and say that the Republican version of conservatism (as it is defined at this moment) is doomed long term against the current Democratic strategy of identity politics. Not to say it cannot win occasionally, but as a long term governing coalition it is finished.
I could draw up a platform right now that if adopted and put into practice by the Republicans would guarantee that they would dominate US elections now and into the foreseeable future. The trouble is that you have to in effect tell some of the most ardent party loyalists that the issues they hold dearest are no longer a priority for the party. You also have to work at loggerheads for the people who fund elections. They control the party and neither group will go willingly.
But it is all about numbers.
There are a hell of a lot of good, hard working men and women of all shapes and colors that share a hell of a lot of common interests with what I would call a fairly conservative outlook. At this point they are precluded from joining in with Republicans because of an outright animosity toward them. Continue to do so and yes, the Republican party is doomed to be nothing more than a regional party albeit a strong one within its region.
Will
YOU VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN DIDN'T YOU, YOU PIECE OF SCHIT!
I will take you at your word Jeff, I rescind Piece of schit.
This is worse than '08, much worse...
...Now, with four years of perhaps the worst President ever, he gets re-elected against two very strong, attractive candidates. This tells me that there has been a fundamental shift in the electorate and I don't see any possibility of ever electing a true Conservative as President.
It very much depends on what your definition of conservative is.
I have very much disagreed (and publicly) with those party loyalists who have interpreted each election as a "mandate" for their party's respective platforms. But at this point I will step up and say that the Republican version of conservatism (as it is defined at this moment) is doomed long term against the current Democratic strategy of identity politics. Not to say it cannot win occasionally, but as a long term governing coalition it is finished.
I could draw up a platform right now that if adopted and put into practice by the Republicans would guarantee that they would dominate US elections now and into the foreseeable future. The trouble is that you have to in effect tell some of the most ardent party loyalists that the issues they hold dearest are no longer a priority for the party. You also have to work at loggerheads for the people who fund elections. They control the party and neither group will go willingly.
But it is all about numbers.
There are a hell of a lot of good, hard working men and women of all shapes and colors that share a hell of a lot of common interests with what I would call a fairly conservative outlook. At this point they are precluded from joining in with Republicans because of an outright animosity toward them. Continue to do so and yes, the Republican party is doomed to be nothing more than a regional party albeit a strong one within its region.
Will
Well said, Will. I agree completely.
This is worse than '08, much worse...
...Now, with four years of perhaps the worst President ever, he gets re-elected against two very strong, attractive candidates. This tells me that there has been a fundamental shift in the electorate and I don't see any possibility of ever electing a true Conservative as President.
It very much depends on what your definition of conservative is.
I have very much disagreed (and publicly) with those party loyalists who have interpreted each election as a "mandate" for their party's respective platforms. But at this point I will step up and say that the Republican version of conservatism (as it is defined at this moment) is doomed long term against the current Democratic strategy of identity politics. Not to say it cannot win occasionally, but as a long term governing coalition it is finished.
I could draw up a platform right now that if adopted and put into practice by the Republicans would guarantee that they would dominate US elections now and into the foreseeable future. The trouble is that you have to in effect tell some of the most ardent party loyalists that the issues they hold dearest are no longer a priority for the party. You also have to work at loggerheads for the people who fund elections. They control the party and neither group will go willingly.
But it is all about numbers.
There are a hell of a lot of good, hard working men and women of all shapes and colors that share a hell of a lot of common interests with what I would call a fairly conservative outlook. At this point they are precluded from joining in with Republicans because of an outright animosity toward them. Continue to do so and yes, the Republican party is doomed to be nothing more than a regional party albeit a strong one within its region.
Will
Well said, Will. I agree completely.
Yep
This is worse than '08, much worse...
...Now, with four years of perhaps the worst President ever, he gets re-elected against two very strong, attractive candidates. This tells me that there has been a fundamental shift in the electorate and I don't see any possibility of ever electing a true Conservative as President.
It very much depends on what your definition of conservative is.
I have very much disagreed (and publicly) with those party loyalists who have interpreted each election as a "mandate" for their party's respective platforms. But at this point I will step up and say that the Republican version of conservatism (as it is defined at this moment) is doomed long term against the current Democratic strategy of identity politics. Not to say it cannot win occasionally, but as a long term governing coalition it is finished.
I could draw up a platform right now that if adopted and put into practice by the Republicans would guarantee that they would dominate US elections now and into the foreseeable future. The trouble is that you have to in effect tell some of the most ardent party loyalists that the issues they hold dearest are no longer a priority for the party. You also have to work at loggerheads for the people who fund elections. They control the party and neither group will go willingly.
But it is all about numbers.
There are a hell of a lot of good, hard working men and women of all shapes and colors that share a hell of a lot of common interests with what I would call a fairly conservative outlook. At this point they are precluded from joining in with Republicans because of an outright animosity toward them. Continue to do so and yes, the Republican party is doomed to be nothing more than a regional party albeit a strong one within its region.
Will
I agree with you from a logical perspective but a GOP candidate with policies that reflect a balanced approach still has to face a democratic machine that's willing to do anything to win an election. The GOP brand is tainted and has suffered immensely from the bashing by democrats.
As superficial at it may seem a GOP candidate will have to have the personality and charisma to win an election. It's basic human nature to make decisions based on how one feels more so than logic. I know it's counterintuitive to a logical thinking person but when I worked in sales I saw it time and again. The number of people that use logic to make decisions is in the minority.
Mitt didn't lose based solely on his policies and his vision for America. His likability, or lack thereof, played a big factor in his defeat.
I will take you at your word Jeff, I rescind Piece of schit.
Thanks Les. Emotions run high today.
I was "lucky" in that my state was not in play, so I could vote for the candidate who's platform most closely aligns with my personal beliefs. That was Johnson.
If Oregon had been in play I would have held my nose and voted Romney, like TRH, but I'll tell you something. That fake bastid was going to be his own flavor of disaster. He was a scary dude on several levels.
Obama is no great leader of men, and any real change requires that. And we've got a divided government, and thanks to the wisdom of the Founders, in two short years we can adjust the composition of the Congress. There's a whole lot of gridlock coming. Anything that does happen won't be by decree; it'll by necessity have to be by consensus. A further silver lining is that I seriously doubt that Obama initiates a real shooting war a la Iraq/Afganistan, whereas Romney was practically foaming at the mouth at the opportunity. That's huge right there.
In my opinion, and I am relatively naive at politics and have come to really appreciate the insights and information I glean here, but in my opinion the playing field is largely set, the game is underway, the players are in motion, the rules are written... Obama might officiate things differently, maybe, sometimes, than Romney would have but he was every bit a part of the system, same as Obama. The game would largely play out the same. Obama might be more whistle-happy as a ref... might lean more towards letting the game flow this way or that... but in essence with either man it was not in question whether the game itself, the court it was played on, the building it was in, needed a fundamental overhaul.
If you believe, as most of us here do, that the game/building/court need fundamental changes, or revisions, to be viable going forwards, it's not going to be a Dem or Repub that gets us there. It wasn't going to be Romney.
Finally, this is the third or fourth time I've said this on this thread, but as others, notably Penguin, have said.... the republican party simply must divorce itself from the social issue stuff. One gentleman above accused the Dem's of throwing up straw men on conception, abortion, etc. When you have prominent R's saying some of the things they did on those issues prior to the election, no action by the D's is required. Just sit back and let the public go, whoa... these [bleep] really are that crazy! True or not, it's the perception that the R's have an agenda that is driven by often irrational religious beliefs; they deny this but then every year, there it is, sneaking out into view like a flasher who keeps whipping his dong out. Well, the dong needs to go away. There's still a belief- why I don't know, given GWB's abject failures- that Republicans run a better economy and are more tactically correct on military matters. And, conservatism
at it's core is a much more philosophically pure way of thinking than liberalism. It's just that by the time the process kicks out a Republican candidate, he's had to swing to the far religious right to appease those.... wackos.... then attempt to swing BACK to not seem crazy! That process just makes these men seem fake, and like liars, and like they have a hidden agenda just waiting to get out (like the flasher, grin).
Anyway.... I've got a pile of work on my "out for production" clipboard.... a new lathe that I'm still getting up to speed on... and a sincere hope that hard work equals success. I'm headed back out there to make some chips. I'm not happy about this election- I wouldn't have been either way- and I'm profoundly disturbed by the overall direction our presidents, R and D, have taken in my adult life. I'm sure we agree on that.
So, how long before we see gun registration and assault weapon bans?
Stupid UN observers amazed at voters not showing ID to vote but not the results of the vote.
How long before we are taxed on our mileage?
When the Democrats decide they've had enough of this whole "being in power" thing?
BHO is the turd that just wouldn't flush!!!
Fat lady is singing boys. We have just witnessed the death of the USA that we all love.
I need a drink !!!!
If by social issues, people mean objecting to taxpayers buying rubbers for ho's attending 50K a year law schools, I don't think that's a losing issue.
The GOP convention barely touched on so-called social issues....it was the democrats who commited their Abortionpalooza, combined with their utterly bogus War on Women.
unfortunate slips by two Senate candidates, set up and then pounced on by the democrat's media sidekicks, are not policy, and neither of them was "prominent" or a party spokesman....they're just guys who won their Senate primaries.
the democrats rely on painting a cartoon picture of republicans, which their media ballwashers help support, and squish republicans tut-tut and agree with.
...unfortunate slips by two Senate candidates, set up and then pounced on by the democrat's media sidekicks, are not policy, and neither of them was "prominent" or a party spokesman....they're just guys who won their Senate primaries.
the democrats rely on painting a cartoon picture of republicans, which their media ballwashers help support, and squish republicans tut-tut and agree with.
As far as social issues goes, well it wasn't only or entirely those that I was referring to although they are certainly part of the equation. But the part I quoted you on is a very interesting point. And one that Republicans need to take to heart.
Here's the thing: Folks who hold a certain issue dear become paranoid about dangers to it and will generalize the opposition party as one of those dangers. Even if they really aren't.
Steve we have a lot of people in our own camp, right here on the campfire, who do the same thing about gun control.
It is always the 'dimmhicrats' and all their minions who are lockstep in favor of taking away the 2nd amendment. Not a few loose cannons who are out in left field. There are quite a few dyed in the wool democrats in DC who honestly treasure the 2nd amendment and will fight to protect it. They represent districts and states whose citizenry values the 2nd amendment.
Why is this false narrative so strong in the face of the evidence? We value gun rights highly and are willing to dismiss evidence to the contrary because we are scared to death of the consequences if the other side really does attack the 2nd.
The democrats make a very public and no holds barred decision to leave the 2nd alone years ago. Not saying they will always continue that path but they are on it now. And a couple decades later they are still paying the price for the previous folly of some of their members.
Now put yourself in the place of a woman who values to the right to say when she will reproduce. One who has honestly thought thru the repercussions of being pregnant via rape. Assume she feels as passionately about this issue as we do about gun control.
Now insert the comments made by these two buffoons into the middle of a hotly contested campaign.
It doesn't take a gypsy soothsayer with a crystal ball to figure out what the typical reaction of such a woman will be. These two needed to be cut off from the Republican establishment and left to swing in the wind in order to make examples of them. It is going to take that kind of party discipline to put woman at ease.
Will
Will, it was more than just a few comments by two buffoons running for the Senate.
It was an attempt to pass the Blunt amemdment in the US Senate earlier this year, the transvaginal probe legislation pushed in VA, Limbaugh calling Fluke a slut after refusing to let women testify at a House hearing on womens reproductive issues, and the list goes on... These two "buffoons" were just the icing on the cake stoking womens fears.
IHMO republicans should "make a very public and no holds barred decision to leave" womens reproductive issues off the agenda.
Point well taken, I agree.
Will
It was an attempt to pass the Blunt amemdment in the US Senate earlier this year, the transvaginal probe legislation pushed in VA, Limbaugh calling Fluke a slut after refusing to let women testify at a House hearing on womens reproductive issues, and the list goes on... These two "buffoons" were just the icing on the cake stoking womens fears.
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HS...60% of Obama voters haven't a [bleep] clue as to those issues.
60% of those didn't want an interruption of their welfare checks
60% of Obama voters haven't a [bleep] clue as to those issues.
60% of Obama voters with no [bleep] clue about abortion rights?
That leaves only about 25 million people who voted for Obama who DO have a clue.
What'd Obama win by anyway.... two million votes?
It was an attempt to pass the Blunt amemdment in the US Senate earlier this year, the transvaginal probe legislation pushed in VA, Limbaugh calling Fluke a slut after refusing to let women testify at a House hearing on womens reproductive issues, and the list goes on... These two "buffoons" were just the icing on the cake stoking womens fears.
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HS...60% of Obama voters haven't a [bleep] clue as to those issues.
You remind me of a more than slightly daft gal I was "dating" years ago.
Like I told her, "for god's sake Christine, it's been more than two hours, either swallow it or spit it out."
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Nice cover,gargalina.
So that there is no misunderstanding,I think you're one of the 60% of dumb [bleep] who hasn't a [bleep] clue.
60% of Obama voters haven't a [bleep] clue as to those issues.
60% of Obama voters with no [bleep] clue about abortion rights?
That leaves only about 25 million people who voted for Obama who DO have a clue.
What'd Obama win by anyway.... two million votes?
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No,Blunt amendment,Fluke etc. Dumbing it down later doesn't change the original post I responded to.
By the way,walk around San Antone and ask 10 of them to define Blunt and trans-vaginal and tell me how it turns out.
Nice cover,gargalina.
So that there is no misunderstanding,I think you're one of the 60% of dumb [bleep] who hasn't a [bleep] clue.
They don't need a clue. All they need is a vote and a free phone and obama sucks bucks.
That's why our founders didn't give the vote to women or lame brains.
Dumbing it down later doesn't change the original post I responded to.To be exact, THIS was the original post you were responding to...
It was an attempt to pass the Blunt amemdment in the US Senate earlier this year, the transvaginal probe legislation pushed in VA, Limbaugh calling Fluke a slut after refusing to let women testify at a House hearing on womens reproductive issues, and the list goes on...
These two "buffoons" were just the icing on the cake stoking womens fears.
So, you said 60% of Obama voters had no clue about these, which still leaves tbe other 25 million.
or, in other words...
By your estmation, in an election where the difference between candidates was just two million popular votes, 25 million Obama voters DID have an opinion on these issues.
More to the point.... no point in playing word games, the OP's point was women's repruductive issues, including abortion, did indeed play a major part in this election.
Even most White women now are voting Democrat, gotta be a reason for that.
Birdwatcher
Now put yourself in the place of a woman who values to the right to say when she will reproduce. One who has honestly thought thru the repercussions of being pregnant via rape. Assume she feels as passionately about this issue as we do about gun control.
Now insert the comments made by these two buffoons into the middle of a hotly contested campaign.
It doesn't take a gypsy soothsayer with a crystal ball to figure out what the typical reaction of such a woman will be. These two needed to be cut off from the Republican establishment and left to swing in the wind in order to make examples of them. It is going to take that kind of party discipline to put woman at ease.
Will
no doubt the comments were dumb, but also taken out of context and magnified and front-paged by the media/DNC complex. my God, if Biden's daily gaffes got similar coverage, he'd have been laughed off the ticket.
my reaction to both of them was....WTF were you even thinking going there? what does a Senator's job have to do with rape and pregnancy? if you couldn't see the trap waiting in the reporter's spiel, you're too dumb to be a Senator anyway. both these guys were the kind of tea party darling that we keep getting told are the key to victory, BTW.
I think that's far more true in Congressional races, where you can get a pretty compact, hererogeneous electorate, than in state wide races, even in smaller states.
we have an absolute blood bath in La. that's going to a runoff because of our "jungle primary"....two very conservative republicans got districted together in the bayou country, because we lost population after Katrina but the DOJ insists on a black majority district in New Orleans.
Boustany is a doctor, been around a while, very conservative....Jeff Landry is a tea party guy elected in 2010, and then jammed in with Boustany in a newly redrawn district. Scarcely any difference in their positions on any issue, and you'd be thrilled to have either one of them represent you.....but it's been the most vicious race imaginable.
Even most White women now are voting Democrat, gotta be a reason for that.
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Obama garnered 39% of that vote,down from 43% in 2008. Let's start there.
yeah, the only reason Obama is "popular with womens" is because he gets 100% support from black womens.
he lost the white vote by 20%.
when a democrat starts with all the black vote and 2/3 of the Mexican vote in his pocket.....even if he endorsed cannibalism...it means the republican has to get 65% of the white vote to win. Romney fell short, but he still got 60%.
BHO is the turd that just wouldn't flush!!!
He is buoyed up by the toilet water of the media.
... when a democrat starts with all the black vote and 2/3 of the Mexican vote in his pocket.....even if he endorsed cannibalism...it means the republican has to get 65% of the white vote to win. Romney fell short, but he still got 60%.
Which is exactly the reason why I stated earlier in another thread that the conservatism of today's Republican party is doomed long term versus the identity politics of today's Democratic party.
You cannot play identity politics against a stacked deck and expect to win. And, to put it right on the line for everyone to see, a whole lot of what passes for conservatism today is nothing more than identity politics in the guise of social or economic language.
It is a loser and if you want to make the party into a national powerhouse again you need to get rid of this anchor.
Immigration reform with a national ID card would eliminate illegal immigration to a very large degree. Trade that for a path to legalization and you can nullify a lot of the hispanic fear.
Forget the whole gay marriage, gay agenda, gay bashing thing. Nothing to be gained here fellas. It may feel good to some of the harder boiled social conservatives but it is a killer. Abandon it.
Quit trying to use globalization as a means to destroy labor unions. A lot of those blue collar boys are diehard 2nd amendment supporters. They live for deer season. They drive pickups and go to church on sunday. How in the hell can you just keep on throwing away them (AND Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and WV (at least in the senate and house)) when they are so natural of an ally?
Those are three quick ones off the top of my head.
Concentrate on balanced budgets. Accept balanced trade. Leave the crazy gay bashing for John Hagee and the rest of the sunday morning televangelists. This kind of thing would revive the party and allow it to get past identity politics. One way or the other this will take place it is just a question of whether the Republican party makes this jump or something else does and makes the party disappear.
Just the opinion of one independent.
Will
All it really takes is the candidate with the most likeable personna and presentation. The issues are almost secondary. Obama is the perfect example of this.
I disagree with every single cell of my body.
Identity politics is the reason behind the decline of the Republican party. There have been a couple of books devoted to the subject of how this strategy/philosophy gained traction in the Democratic party. The changeover came in the 70s. The Republican party had used something of this sort in its grand 'southern strategy'. Get whites still pissed off about the Civil Rights fight of the 60s and then chip off a few other states and walk away with a win.
The democrats took a look at the immigration reform act and said "Hell we can beat that!" They turned their backs on the labor movement, too many white males there, and started building a philosophy that encouraged people not to think in terms of job or function or like interests. Think of yourself as some disenfranchised or discriminated group.
You're no longer a blue collar Joe building faucets you are a black male who is a member of a group that has been treated terribly over our nation's history. You are no longer a working mom you are a WOMAN with a history of disenfranchisement to make up for. You are no longer a brand new American citizen you are hispanic, or African, or whatever. You are no longer an entrepreneur with a vibrant new business you are a gay man and we are on your side. And so on and so forth.
And guess what group wasn't invited?
The same group that was thrown overboard to allow this sea change in philosophy. What I am saying is that this game is rigged. Demographically it is a dead end. Destined to fail. It is a loser and it will only be a bigger loser in 10 or 20 years. The Republican party has to change. They are going to have to move beyond identity politics. And that means that a few of the groups that insist on playing that game are going to have to be thrown overboard.
Will
Obama garnered 39% of that vote,down from 43% in 2008. Let's start there.
OK, twelve million fewer voters in 2012 than 2008 (Obama down 10 million).
How many of that proven willing to vote twelve million were women who did NOT vote for Romney on account of his stance on abortion?
Or, to cut to the chase, are you saying that pro-choice is NOT the majority stance of American women?
Birdwatcher
I disagree with every single cell of my body.
Identity politics is the reason behind the decline of the Republican party. There have been a couple of books devoted to the subject of how this strategy/philosophy gained traction in the Democratic party. The changeover came in the 70s. The Republican party had used something of this sort in its grand 'southern strategy'. Get whites still pissed off about the Civil Rights fight of the 60s and then chip off a few other states and walk away with a win.
The democrats took a look at the immigration reform act and said "Hell we can beat that!" They turned their backs on the labor movement, too many white males there, and started building a philosophy that encouraged people not to think in terms of job or function or like interests. Think of yourself as some disenfranchised or discriminated group.
You're no longer a blue collar Joe building faucets you are a black male who is a member of a group that has been treated terribly over our nation's history. You are no longer a working mom you are a WOMAN with a history of disenfranchisement to make up for. You are no longer a brand new American citizen you are hispanic, or African, or whatever. You are no longer an entrepreneur with a vibrant new business you are a gay man and we are on your side. And so on and so forth.
And guess what group wasn't invited?
The same group that was thrown overboard to allow this sea change in philosophy. What I am saying is that this game is rigged. Demographically it is a dead end. Destined to fail. It is a loser and it will only be a bigger loser in 10 or 20 years. The Republican party has to change. They are going to have to move beyond identity politics. And that means that a few of the groups that insist on playing that game are going to have to be thrown overboard.
Will
You are in the same fantasy world as the people on cable news from whom you garnered your opinion, never desiring to look back and see how the pendulum swings, but declare gloom and doom. Understandable, but flawed. The same BS was put out there after Clinton won a second term and Bush won a second term. This election cycle gave Obama narrow popular vote victory. This was not a 'mandate', nor does it single some great shift from the 50/50 split seen in the country this time and in recent elections. All other elections had no major surprises and the GOP did quite well and as expected, except for some peculiarities to a given race.
If the economy stays stagnant, the GOP will get the Whitehouse back in four years, but only if the candidates match up right. This time there was a weak incumbent, who was perceived as a cool, hip dude who many single women would like to get into bed with. He was up against a nerd, which along with Romney's moderate/liberal positions, were a few reasons I hoped he would not be the GOP nominee. A better, more savvy communicator would have knocked Obama off, contrary to all the 'analysis' of the condition conservativism. With a few tweaks to strategy and no hurricane, Romney could have done it, and if he had, it would likewise not have been a sign to nay-say the future of liberalism.
The only legitimate aspect of the claim that the GOP must 'change', is that over the coming decades with the immigration, etc., declining ratio of white people versus other groups, as time goes on this will overwhelm conservative politics. That will be a long time in coming, and also assumes that the new demographic will remain a monolith of liberalism. I doubt it.
The discussion that's been brought up and fought over is right and wrong on many points. In the simplest of terms and dealing with basic human nature it can boiled down to a few key points.
Hussein delivered a consistent message and told people what they wanted to hear. He used a no holds barred campaign, lied his azz off to accomplish this and swayed enough people who feel rather than think to win reelection.
There's a lot more I could write on the subject but the psychology of human nature trumps logical persuasions.
Well I don't watch cable TV news much. This is just an idea that has been running around in my head for a decade or so as I have seen the electorate change.
But you guys are the Republicans. I really don't have a say in how you choose to run your party.
If I had to take a guess I'd say that the leaders of the party will choose instead to double down on identity politics and try to see if a high profile latino will help to cut off a slice of their repective vote. If successful this would allow them to go full speed ahead without having to change much.
I'm not sure that this won't have a moderate level of success in the short term but will be hemlock in the long term.
In the end though there is a very large and growing share of the electorate that, like myself, considers the two parties nothing more than criminal enterprises. Good folks in both but the parties themselves are bought and paid for. Worse yet they are bought and paid for by the very people who have prospered by helping the strip mine our industrial base and allow Wall Street to become the worst sort of haven for the American criminal element. We've watched helplessly as the nation's power brokers turned their backs on productive industry and instead have fallen in with a bunch of parasites and vultures.
Eventually one party or the other will turn to these people and offer them a home. I don't see the Democratic party doing so any time soon because they have a philosophy now that will carry them to victory for a long, long time. All they have to do is keep the resentment flowing and watch as the demographic clock winds down on the Republicans.
Will
In the end though there is a very large and growing share of the electorate that, like myself, considers the two parties nothing more than criminal enterprises. Good folks in both but the parties themselves are bought and paid for.
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