Originally Posted by Kellywk
Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
Here's the deal...This all relates to Commercial Law. Our Courts uphold Commercial Law without question. If you sign a Contract to give up your first born then it is still held as needing to be honored and due by the signer.

An example would be the Old Spanish Land Grants that we had to purchase even though we had Won a war in Texas and redrawn the borders. Our own Constitution outlaws "Ex post facto" laws...Period.

So if a Rancher whether right or wrong has "Grandfather Rights" through the State or through a contract with an Indian Reserve it has legal standing and cannot be challenged.

This is where we are now with this Hammond situation and the Bundy situation. No matter what happened they are in the right and the Government has absolutely no right to even think about placing retroactive regulations on these old contracts.

This is a Constitutional fact. The most recent example of abuse of this is the State of California and the new Diesel Air Quality Standards.

They can indeed require any new vehicles to meet their standards but it is totally unconstitutional for them to make everyone "Retrofit" the vehicles or Engines that are already out there in use built prior to when the law was placed into effect.

This is Ex post Facto and Retroactive and completely unconstitutional whether we like it or not per the Constitution Article 1 Sec 9 Clause 3.

When we start to turn our heads to these facts we are all done for as owners of Firearms. Because we are next...
Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
Here's the deal...This all relates to Commercial Law. Our Courts uphold Commercial Law without question. If you sign a Contract to give up your first born then it is still held as needing to be honored and due by the signer.

An example would be the Old Spanish Land Grants that we had to purchase even though we had Won a war in Texas and redrawn the borders. Our own Constitution outlaws "Ex post facto" laws...Period.

So if a Rancher whether right or wrong has "Grandfather Rights" through the State or through a contract with an Indian Reserve it has legal standing and cannot be challenged.

This is where we are now with this Hammond situation and the Bundy situation. No matter what happened they are in the right and the Government has absolutely no right to even think about placing retroactive regulations on these old contracts.

This is a Constitutional fact. The most recent example of abuse of this is the State of California and the new Diesel Air Quality Standards.

They can indeed require any new vehicles to meet their standards but it is totally unconstitutional for them to make everyone "Retrofit" the vehicles or Engines that are already out there in use built prior to when the law was placed into effect.

This is Ex post Facto and Retroactive and completely unconstitutional whether we like it or not per the Constitution Article 1 Sec 9 Clause 3.

When we start to turn our heads to these facts we are all done for as owners of Firearms. Because we are next...


Or the deal could be that Cliven Bundy signed a lease contract and didn't pay the rent? The Spanish land grants in texas were honored after the Mexican war as that was one of the conditions of the peace treaty and also many of the Texas politicians and settlers land claims arose from those grants. Had nothing to do with ex post facto


Bundy had a lease agreement with the State before the area was stolen from the State by the Feds using the "Endangered Species Act". They just did this exact thing without any just cause or excuse at all with over 2 million acres bordering and now annexing my property.

Feinstein slippped it through without even giving notice to the private land owners at all. She appropriated Millions of Fed dollars to do this and all they have spent so far on these "lands" was to put up a couple high classed signs. They won't even now allow the Roads to be repaired, even by volunteers.

I would like to know where the hell the rest of these exuberant funds went???

In reality this is what it is all about...Embezzlement.

Last edited by Bugout4x4; 02/08/16.

When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.