Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
Originally Posted by 4ager
Valsdad,

The SCOTUS has turned down appeals in that series of cases before; they aren't taking any of it. I am NO fan of the 9th, but their most recent decision (as of last month) is what stands in the Hage cases at this point. It's going back to be reheard and reconsidered (again). At this point, that's where it stands and all that is known.

That said, the trial judge in question has been, shall we say, "seriously criticized" by the appeals courts for years. He's been found to be: "dilatory"; "arrogant"; seeking an "assumption of power by one individual [] not acceptable in our judicial system"; and having "well established and inappropriately strong" feelings and bias against out of state attorneys.

The Appeals Court in the January decision was castigating in it's opinion of him as a trial judge - their degree of openness in overall opinion, in the printed decision, is striking. Their opinion on him is summarized this way: Judge Jones's rulings in the case were "plainly" and "clearly" contrary to law; that he had "grossly abused the power of contempt"; that he had "harbored animus" against federal agencies; that his "bias" was a "matter of public record"; and that he had engaged in "improper treatment of government officials" in a previous case. The Court of Appeals stated that it had "expressed concern about Judge Jones' conduct in several other recent cases." Wikipedia article with links to case citations These are several different and unrelated cases with different reviewing panels of Appellate Court judges, all castigating the same trial judge in writing, in their opinions, for his unprofessional behavior and opinions. That is simply incredible.

There is a level of decorum still present within the judicial. An open and public rebuke of a trial judge like that just doesn't happen except in extreme instances. Going even further, when a case is remanded from the Appeals Court to the trial court, it goes back to the original presiding judge, unless something extraordinary occurs. In this case, the Appeals Court remanded and specifically ordered the case to go to another judge. That's almost unheard of in any case NOT involving a conflict of interest. They have now done that with this judge at least twice within the last six months on two completely separate and unrelated cases; that's unheard of. Ditto that to the open, public, in-decision rebukes several times over by different Appeals Court panels on this same judge's opinions. It is clear that the Appeals Court no longer trusts the trial judge to be exactly what a trial judge is supposed to be most of all - unbiased.

Again, I'm no fan of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. There are some loons on that bench (though, there is at least one great judge on it as well). However, you don't have an Appeals Court openly questioning and criticizing a trial court judge's actions and bias, in multiple cases, without merit and certainly not in the actual decisions on cases. With this trial judge, the Appeals Court is essentially saying that it no longer trusts his decisions on the merits of the case and on law, and they have done so several times over. That's simply extraordinary.


Reading it this morning Counselor, but I have to tell you I like this Judge. He is willing to buck the notion that "Government is always Right". smile


Bugout,

You have brought up lots of good points here.

However, your statement here seems to be that you support an "Activist Judge".

I'm not sure, but because he doesn't believe the "Government is always Right" does that mean he can rule against the law as written?

My understanding, limited as it may be, is that our three part system is designed to have the legislative branch (Congress, which we elect) write the law, the executive branch carry out the law, and the judicial branch to interpret questions on the application of the law and the Constitutionality of the law.

As a nation of laws, is it not necessary for Congress to re-write the law if it is Constitutional but not liked?

Geno


Good morning. I am still working on the original argument I raised with our resident Councilor here but I am finding some interesting history behind this case. There are some Timeline contradictions in the argument they used here as to Legal Action Filings, Permit Applications and the Statute of limitations Claim. Even when reading this Summary one can make note of the dates and it appears that the Hage Estate did indeed try to take action in a timely manor. Also when they were accused of "Grazing without a Permit and Trespassing" the whole issue appears to have been in litigation. There is much much more to the real story in how this all came about to begin with.

I was reading this as you posted this reply. It is an account of what happened as Stated by Margaret Hage Gabbard. As a personal witness to exact like kind actions coming from the BLM I believe her account without question. It appears there was an agenda with purpose from the start. Almost a true Conspiracy from what I see so far. They were "Prodded" into this.

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/Dec_2002/restoring.htm

Like a Casino, the Deck is Stacked, and if a Patron starts to win a bit the Pit Boss changes out the Dealer, pulls the Deck, and sits a new Stacked Deck on the Table. This is what happened here. The problem with this? We the People and Patrons are the true owners of the Casino in the first place not the Pit Boss.

Still digging...


When I no longer have the right to protect my own person or property...my person and property have become public property in common.