Well, part of it could be that we're also taking the standard 308-length stuff and exceeding common short action mag boxes and throats, with these new long-for-caliber pills....I've been guilty of it in 358, since NABs came out. Same in 223-length.....twist is just one issue, it seems. It's almost like the majors should just twist a long action right, and get them to feed short action calibers.....or we could just go back to long action calibers? LOL

My responses on another thread did point me here, and the 6C pres is interesting me, for efficiency.