M 7-08 is running 3169 with 51.5 of Big Game and shooting in the high.5 low.6 at 100 and right at 1.4 at 200. I found an old FS ( Pre KS ) with an 18" barrel that was EXTREMELY slow with 140's so I took the 18" off and put a 22" take off on it just to try. It shoots 140's almost always under .5 at 2898 fps with H 414. I hunt with the 120. They shoot good perform excellent on light game and I like the velocity.